/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

source: you made it up

stop listening to the voices anon, theyre not good for you

>>53182545
>>53182396
getting a little nervous there fellas?

>>53182191
>>53182746
not either of those anons, you're crazy and you also don't know how japanese handles unions. look it up, there's none for animation, voice actors, regular actors. there's no way a vtuber union would happen.
provide even literally one indication anywhere that this is happening, or take your meds

>>53182191
Re-...
Re:union...

>>53182191
>a "Union"

>>53182191
OH MA GAD ITS COMMUNISM AGAN

>>53182890
english vtubers don't adhere to japanese laws champ, but japanese companies can adhere to american laws if they wanna do business in america. The last two meet ups were in san francisco and los angeles, multiple talents met up on both events to discuss with lawyers. Ironically when one of them was fighting with the staff of their hotel funnily enough

>>53182396
>>53182545
If only

>>53182191
I would drop anyone faggy enough to join a fucking vtuber union

>>53182191
I cant believe cover hired the pinkertons to murder magni and vesper for trying to unionize

>>53182191
>Americans making an union when working for a JP corpo
Nah.

>>53183258
when said talent make the most revenue of their branch they have grounds to stand.

>>53183313
They would need to get Mori, Gura, Vox and Luca. Seems unlikely.

>>53183052
>American law
>Supporting unions
Hahahaha

>>53183374
nice way to out yourself hick.

>>53182191
anon, please, get some help

QRD on what unions do? We don't really have them in my country.

>>53182191
How do you think these unions are going to operate? They aren't going to go though with niji it's a black company, an unironic chubba factory and they probably treat there big once well, if a liver complaints they will be told to fuck off and the big once won't complain because they have it ok, see kanaes take on the whole 2%.

And holos will laugh at your face if you tell them "they are mistreating you", so it only works for small corpos that already run on the risk of imploding any second.

>>53182890
>there's no way a vtuber union would happen.
This. Cover is a Japanese corporation and they would rather fire the EN branch and start over than allow them to form a labor union.

>>53183374
>>53183408

>>53183463
People who work the same job get together and whine about it

>>53183463
talent/workers stay united against companies for equal rates/opportunities. So there's no special treatment or abuse towards 1 person/worker

>>53183463
An union when most workers in a certain sector or workplace organize together to demand better wages, benefits and working conditions. That way they can threaten the employer with strikes and stuff.

>>53183355
>Vox luca
Luxium has reclined hard so i think nijisanji will drop them if it they are actually forced to choose.
>Gura
Yeah she always stays in the box it is unironically impossible for anyone to get in contact with her unless they go though calli or something.
>Calli
She can be a bitch sometimes but she is a professional good luck discussing anything about mori or holo with her lol.

>>53183463
Union negotiates working conditions on behalf of the workers. If they don't agree with the employer all workers belonging to the union stop working. Workers who do not belong to the union and continue to work get into 'accidents'. In places where unions run rampant you can't work without joining one at all.

>>53183052
proof next thread?

>>53182191
> about a "Union"
Yeah the Union of your oshi with the male branch, they're getting married

>>53184154
>Hey can you post extremely risky information about private citizens
yeah, let me just do that.

>>53183987
You forgot about making it impossible to get fired even if you are a complete plie of shit

>>53184239
Shit tier bait, you are just retarded

>>53184330
it's okay to be retarded anon.

>>53184239
Yes, of course. How silly of me.
Is there any other insight the people in the walls let you in on that you can share with us?

>>53182191
That's not going to work on Cover, they got rid of their top superchat earners one after the other. You think they're going to bend for two of their near-bottom talents?

>>53182191
You absolute moron, that might the fastest stupidest way to kill vtubing as it exist. Just a way to subsidize the bottom tier shitters and guaranteed to result in mass firing for places like Kurocolor when they realize accelerating is just adding liability and expanding the company payrole for no benefit.

Corpo tubing already has safety nets by providing support dealing with copyright, merchandise, collabs, tech support, and 3d studios. Do you want them to spoon feed their hires too? "Here's your audience, your model, a list of games and collab partners, and paycheck for being awesome!"

Part of the appeal of vtubing is earning your keep by the strength of your wits and appeal of your personality, sink or swim. Not being dead weight to actual successful people.

Besides unionizing only works if you're a regular employee drawing a paycheck. Vtubers are contract workers, that's why Haachama, Gura, and Ayame can fuck off for weeks at a time and aren't obligated to stream on a regular basis. The rise of union sentiment in places like Amazon and Uber is only gaining traction because those fuckers are misusing the term "contract worker"

>>53184710
Part of this retarded twitchfag mentality stems from "corpo bad" thing, but most genuan corpos are infact not bad, holo, phase, idol, the SEA corpos are all mostly clean, nijisanji can probably falls under the black company label but they are too big to scratch it's a money printing machine that has been perfected and won't fall unless the top chubaas leave, which are all jp once so you can't even contact them, let alone make them do anything against the company.

This is just an assumption of mine but why do some people want unions? You need to look at the corpos disadvantages for that you don't own your ip or content, you have to share revenue, you have to be under a management
A union theriotically can mitigate these disadvantages, fucked up and getting terminated? Cry to the union and you might get to keep your ip, want a better cut? Cry to the union, you don't want to do what the management is recommending? Cry to the union it's retarded and won't work in an industry where every person's work is going to be wildly different.

>>53184710
2%

>>53185827
Vtuber unions is a dead end idea, and there isn't some big cry for them to exist. OP is just huffing aerosol spray.
The one place I've heard muttering about unions is in the Twitch scene, but that's a general streamer thing and it's born out of Twitch only being capable of making decisions everyone hates.

>>53185827
>won't work in an industry where every person's work is going to be wildly different.
The main idea of unions is to create a common baseline of rights across al employees in a similar job description.
It's just the base.
Every employee can negotiate on top of that on their own but the company can never go below.
Unions protect those minimums. And the employees in the unions should rally when the company tries to lower those minimums.
Unions work behalf of those employees that don't have the strength to fight a company on thier own one-by-one.

>>53186333
>>53186333
Counterpoint, if anybody unionizes they're out the door before the union form signature is even dry. Good luck fighting it as a 20-something zoomer whose only experience with labor practices is those two years you spent being a waiter.

>Ame is going on a break next week
Huh... I beleeb it

>>53188348
That's not a counterpoint. That's abuse by the company.
A counterpoint would be arguments against the purpose of a union. What flaws are in the purpose of the union.
On top of that, most unions would rise and call up lawyers if a company started firing people without proper justification.
In civilized countries, companies have to provide proper excuse to fire someone,notify in advence and compensate them. That should be in the labor laws of the country in question and the union should keep watch for it.
The concept of unions is to fight for a baseline of rights against corporate power. Companies will fight against it as is profitable to squeeze the labor for more profit inside at the same time that you get profit from customers/market outside the company.

>>53188884
What don't you get, if they don't like it then they can just go indie. There is no barriers there other then not taking company IP on the way out the door. It's not like they need to build a studio or a workshop to keep working, just make a new youtube account.

I'm not even gonna bother anymore. You are a complete moron.

>>53189834
I was talking, and responding, about unions in general.
In the case of VTubers, there's no precedent to go by.
We should go by actor's guilds or similar.
It's all new legal ground to explore.

>>53188481
she's just with her girlfriend

>>53182191
what are you gonna do, unionize japan?
>>53183463
monkey together strong

>>53191061
you realize talent is in the UNITED STATES not japan retard, just because you work for a japanese company it does not expose you to japan's retarded labor laws.

>>53191099
mmm
I'm gonna call [X] on that one
with how japanese companies can be

>>53191235
>with how japanese companies can be
you mean extremely submissive to the united states government as sony is finding out with their legal troubles regarding the acti/blizz purchase? LOL you guys honestly know nothing

>>53191099
And this helps the talents that are in other countries such as Canada or Australia..how?
Oh, it doesn't.

>>53191311
By setting representation from the united states??? Do you think actors in the actors union who are foreign are just out of the union you fucking moron lol

>>53191099
A union for all 30 people working as corpo vtubers.

>>53191290
ah yes
that's why you have all these foreigners working at japanese companies who aren't expected to adhere to retarded nip standards
surely

>union
>from the guy who ditches his bros to leech off girls

>>53191512
because they are in SAY IT WITH ME SLOWLY japan and most of the EN talent is from okay i'll spell it out so its EASY. A M E R I C A, WOAH ITS THAT SIMPLE. god you guys are so fucking retarded holy shit

>>53182191
Pippa is suspended and everyone knows it except the pipnigs who deny everything and say that she is on vacation because she went to the "dentist".

>>53191584
Dude America is only slightly more accepting of unions then Japan, there is still no way it's happening here. Cover already cut off and burned an entire branch to the ground for trying to subvert their control. What makes you think Anycolor would act any different?

And before you get all high and mighty about laws and the actors guild, they have millions to fight studios and thousands of actors enrolled. Tom Hanks doesn't think a movie is being made to union standards, he's got lawyers and newspapers willing to take his side. Niji troon wants more then 2%, take a hike contract worker, we got 30 more waiting in the pipeline.

>>53192517
state supersedes federal, and california is not afraid of getting its hands dirty when it comes to fining companies that aren't even within their borders.

>>53191584
stop typing like a woman lol

>>53192656
Fining them for what? As far as anyone knows vtubing corporations are following the letter of the contracts their talents signed up for. What established labor practices are they breaking to get the state involved in these hypothetical union negotiations when there might be like 10 people who live in California and are corpo vtubers and only 1 or 2 MIGHT want to form a union.

Honestly they would be better off going after youtube and twitch about paying an hourly wage for streaming but that a whole other stupid idea.

>>53192933
is it womanly to have a working brain?

>>53191584
Anonchama, do you know if Cover/Nijisanji do have actual subsidiary companies that are legally incorporated in the US? They do not. The talents are contracted to Cover/Nijisanji JAPAN proper. What nationality the talents have or where they reside is immaterial to that fact that the US (or any other state besides Japan) doesn't have jurisdiction over the company, only Japan does. So if a US talent for example has an issue with their Japan-based employer, they'd have to sue them in a japanese court (good luck with that).

>>53193193
some say yes (mostly women)

>>53193274
california can send a request to youtube/google who are in california to deal with cover/niji

Lets say that you could get a significant number of big streamers on board for this (you can't), what are you actually negotiating for? I could see the companies themselves demanding better cuts from superchats/donations, a say in what ads are run, or better moderation support from the streaming platforms. But all of that is negotiated between Youtube or Twitch, not the talent agencies and talent.

>>53193493
a request about what, which would do what exactly??

you're only digging your hole further, exposing that you have no real idea what you're talking about and only work off of preconceived notions that have no connections to actual real-world lawyerin'

Unions are for fags real lads just take over the nation under a National Socialist banner and make private companies comply to their demands.

>>53183258
Not only did Sony try it, they successfully killed the company by doing so

Holy fuck, too many retards in this thread acting like they know what they're talking about.
Have you ever wondered why an American business moves it's HQ's to a different country? Because it gets treated differently, regardless of where the employees live. There are legal implications to where your HQ is. There are also legal implications on where your business is conducted, however, that does not apply if you're putting out internet content. The concert they held had to abide by US and California laws but that has nothing to do with unions. The content they put out on Youtube has to abide by US law and Youtube's ToS, but that has nothing to do with unions.
It does not matter where the talents live, full stop. The business they work for is located in Japan, therefore any legal issues with that employment have to be conducted in Japan.

>>53182191
>union
This is the fastest way for Cover to drop the sidebranch as a whole

>a union against... uhh...... gura didnt stream today!!!

>>53182191
How tf is that even going to work with corpo's across the sea?

>>53184710
Holy shit it's a shilling corpo enslaver. I'm with vtubers unionizing if creeps like this guy are around which they probably are.

>>53182191
why would Holos unionize when they already have such a great deal?

>>53182191
This is an industry that desperately needs to unionize, unless you'd rather have more graduations and black company behavior.

>>53199451
Oh RYS Pippafag or nijikek or what ever the hell you are.

>>53193493
Oh yes, the state of California is going to pick a fight with google to force a Japanese company to let vtubers unionize.

>vtuber union.
Nice joke. Talk to the pop culture journos and see how that is working out for them.

>>53185827
>nijisanji can probably falls under the black company label
Niji is squeaky clean for JP entertainment industry. It is not that Niji is especially bad, it is Cover being unnaturally good compared to Niji. Yagoo had forever cemented himself as good guy CEO. And this would not change until there's a Final Yab, which may not happen.

>>53183258
happened in San Francisco with Anchor Brewing, also do you think there aren't unions in Japan too??

>>53184710
How's that ceo cock taste shill?

>Unionize
That wont do jack shit since they already tried something similar with the Nijisanji resistance thing and it didnt really get any actual reforms since Anycolor realized that all you need to do is bribe the figureheads and it will become a lapdog

Covering eliminating tempus entirely and putting the blame on vesper and magni if this is even partially true would be incredibly based. Doubly so if they actually hired pinkertons to beat them.

>>53207988
*cover

>>53183642
>People who pretend* to work the same job
ftfy