/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I’m fine with mixed streams so long as they don’t start talking about sexual topics and don’t flirt.

>>54770969
I dont watch male streams because I haven't yet seen a single entertaining male chuuba.
That said, I thoroughly enjoyed Tenma collabing with Albino, because they're both extremely entertaining and played well off each other.

If you can get entertaining male chuubas, I won't care. Just don't make it cringe and start flirting or some shit like that, nobody wants to see that shit.

>>54770969
No, any sight of male and i automatically unsub and unmember, whore’s should be treated less than dirt

>>54770969
Honk honk OP is a gay clown honk Honk

>>54770969
>How do you determine whether or not a chuuba is a GFE chuuba?
That depends whether you have taken your meds or not.

non-idols interacting with men = i dont care
idols interacting with men = bad

>>54771337
How do you distinguish an idol from a non-idol?

>>54770969
It's always ok. There's nothing wrong with making less money and having fewer fans.

>>54770969
Spoken as someone who LOVES homo collab, there are multiple different groups who are against it for their own reason
1. The GFE/Unicorn group, different but honestly huge enough overlap it doesn't matter. They SEETHE not just about collab stream but also social media interraction and god-forbid, offline interraction
2. Cute girls creeper, aka observer, they don't really hate males, they just don't want to see them
3. Hardcore fujos, who similar to above two, but not wanting to see girls instead and only want to see men.
Nobody asked, but I love homo collab because boy-girl interraction really have different vibes compared to boy-boy and girl-girl collab. Even without shipping and flirting.

>>54770969
chuubas are inherently gfe, anybody who claims otherwise is a bandwagonning grifter that should be shunned and ostracized in the most shameful manner possible.

No men should be vtubers.
No vtubers should collab with men.
No westerners should be vtubers.
No vtubers should be outside Japan.
No vtubers should speak any language but Japanese.
No vtubers should discuss men.
No vtubers should show attraction to men.
No vtubers should show their face.
No vtubers should take your meds.
No vtubers should discuss relationships.
No vtubers should stop streaming.
No vtubers should be treated like real people.
All vtubers should be idols.

>>54770969
Picrel put it pretty well

>>54770969
when they don't GFE

>>54771783
The west has fallen.
Billions must graduate.

>>54771783
Honestly having Science Ina in the thumbnail added extra layer of irony there.

>>54770969
I do not enjoy male collabs. Gender-segregated entertainment is very rare these days and there are very few others sources of it.
No, I don't care that she has a boyfriend. No I don't care what she does off-stream. On stream, we stay girls-only. That's what I want.
If you do something else, then that's fine. I'll just not watch you. It's that simple.

>>54770969
when the male is funnier and more entertaining than the girl. i don't mind free exposure for my oshi

>>54771635
>chuubas are inherently gfe
According to whom exactly? I have a hard time picturing anyone using, say, Filian as a proxy girlfriend.

>>54771694
>No vtubers should discuss men.
Can Holomembers talk about Yagoo?

>>54771783
Yeah I already saw that, but it only seems to apply to GFEtubers.

>>54771694
your uncle thouched your no-no-place or how do you develope such androphobe tendencies?

Do you enjoy seeing the girls you like play around with men?

i'll be real with you, it's a vibes thing
like, you seem confused about when is a chuuba considered in the in or out of the "gfe status" or whatever and no one will give you an answer that completely makes sense or covers all cases

>>54770969
the man must have a female avatar

>>54771438
gee, anon. maybe like how the brand themselves?

>>54772044
>According to whom exactly?
Mentally ill.
Who else would pick pick Pippa or Chibidoki as their gachikoi oshi?

I prefer they never even mention men

>When is it ok for vtubers to associate with men?
When they're men and/or in Nijisanji
If you want to collab with men, audition for Nijisanji
>should vtubers explicitly state who they plan to collab with and whether or not they plan to do GFE early on
Absolutely, a streamer should be very clear with their goals and aspirations, and if there is a change of plans, any change really, they should tell the audience in advance

>>54770969
It's really about company culture. You got Selen from Nijisanji who regularly collabs with males in her apex streams but it's normal in that company's culture (and Selen is a bro, not a flirtatious slut)
In Hololive, idol culture is a huge part of the experience so most of the fans want to see the girls be unique, shining idols in their streams, events, concerts, etc. They want to keep up and build memories with their oshi, not some clout chasing dude.
Then you have /vt/ culture. It's a 4chan board. This is where lonely guys who haven't found their love come to scavenge what they can. So if a vtuber fulfills their emotional needs with GFE, I'm sure you can easily see why they wouldn't want to see male collabs (>>54772073).

>>54770969
This is probably just a bait thread, but I'm bored so I'll respond properly anyways. It's mostly contextual, I suppose. Explicit GFE vtubers are the ones where it's obvious their audiences aren't going to want to see them interacting with other men, considering it's in the name, but there's other "categories" of vtuber where the fanbase would most likely give some pushback, depending on the nature of the interaction. Even non-GFE hololive vtubers, for example, can catch some flak for interacting with men because their company embraces the whole "idol" culture and aesthetic, which also has a strong emphasis on purity in general. Vshojo's aesthetic, on the other hand, is more or less just twitch thots who look like anime girls, so you don't see anyone (outside of here) giving them shit over what's perceived as typical behaviour for their "type". After taking that sort of thing into account, it's mostly just a matter of their attitude during the collab, as far as I've observed. Someone like Matsuri, who will flirt with anything with a pulse during collabs, generally isn't thought very highly of, whereas someone like Towa, who just games and banters barely gets remarked on for her male collabs, despite doing them relatively frequently.

>>54770969
Whenever, I don't really care.

>>54770969
it's fine if they give off friend vibes and it's not too common.
If they seem flirty it feels like I'm 3rd wheeling and I'm out.
Actually, it's fine if the guy is flirty and gets shut down kek

>>54771509
>but I love homo collab because boy-girl interraction really have different vibes compared to boy-boy and girl-girl collab
This is true. I'm on the other side of the coin, and they really do have very different vibes. I respect your tastes though.
My only problem is that 90% of vtubers already cater to mixed collabs. Indies, small corpos, Niji, even several Holos have mixed collabs all the time. Girl-girl exclusive vtubers are actually relatively rare in the industry, they just also tend to be quite popular. (Sure, many vtubers have a lot of girl-girl collabs, but frequent male interaction still changes the stream vibe long-term.) I think that's why we're so protective of them, we don't want them to slowly disappear.

>>54771509
THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY HANDS IN THAT IMAGE. Fucking creepy.

>>54772073
Anti-male collabers always seem to try to frame cross-gender collabs in the most cuckoldish way possible. I simply don't look at it that way. If you can't help but see it that way, I guess you do you.

>>54772125
If GFE tubers are to be held to stricter standards than other chuubas, I think we need to clearly establish who is and who isn't one. Otherwise you'll have schizos imposing expectations that a chuuba never agreed to.

>>54770969
I watch streamers who collab with vtubers like Connor or Ludwig. The guys hosting the street fighter tourney with Korone and Botan too were great.
For some reason, male vtubers are just dull.

>>54770969
When?
When the men they are interacting with aren't another vtubers or shitty entertainment based e-celebs streamers. Like for example when they appear in a TV show or radio interview and the host is a guy and stuff like that. Or when Korone collabbed with pro player Kazunoko for Street Fighter 6. Heck I'm a huge fan of Kazunoko myself. Towa and Laflop would probably be the worst example of e-celeb dickriding... No Ollie was the worst. Completely killed my interest in her. Kobo absolutely intolerable too.

>>54770969
>When is it ok for vtubers to associate with men?
It is never ok. Some times it can't be avoided, like con appearances for corpos, or indies talking to artists and company representatives for sponsorships.
Male vtubers should not exist. They are the bottom of the barrel.

>>54772467
Look, let's be real here. You aren't in a classroom or debate club. This isn't the fucking treaty of Versailles you're negotiating here, dude. There's not going to be any "aha, but she conclusively hasn't broken any terms, not guilty, your Honor!" It's a primal part of the male ape brain that is at work here, the verdict is already long passed. It doesn't go through even the court of public opinion. The only time any "rules" would be whipped out is always, always going to be to add more prohibitions. Because they're not rules, they're a non-exhaustive list of precedent used for "I told you so".
This thing you're trying to establish only exists, at best, as a field of landmines to step on.

when it's funny

>>54773102
I remember back when Tempus debuted and they were shilled on here as "brotubers" which interested me. I saw the potential of that concept with Vesper but then Kronii happened.
Thinking back, Tempus could have been a really cool thing if they kept to their own division. A real western source of kino bro moments.

>>54771694
baaaased

because there’s no point in doing it. the entire point of vtubing is to be a cute 2d anime girl. the males are not cute and not a single one is entertaining. if you want to watch males there’s an infinite amount of flesh streamers who are leagues better than any male vtuber.
males have no place in being vtubers and the numbers show it

>>54771783
Any person described in picrel must be forced to adapt to society and its norms. They are not special. If they refuse, they should be dragged out of their fucking rooms and forcefully rehabilitated either by physical or psychological means until the become normal.

That means you /vt/ fags, BTW. You all should be rehabilitated or put down like the useless sack of flesh you all are.

>>54770969
When she is an older vtubing personality/former idol who married after graduation and is returning for a special.
When the men they interact with are older men that are married, and in a group environment.
When the men are neutral personalities (TV interviewers, professionals at a sponsors' event or the like) that are merely an MC or local expert and not a personality in the event.
For what it is worth, I apply these same standards to single male idols, who should only interact with married women, or returning after graduation to help with an event or the like.

>>54770969
What do you mean by that? They've been associating with that attention manwhore Fagoo since the company's inception

>>54773575
And to build on this, I don't think that idols should remain "pure forever" in the sense of becoming sad spinsters in their 30s and 40s desperately scared to have a personal life. I do however think that when they are ready to move into that part of their life, their idol activities should come to an end.
Every fan of an idol should be sad but proud to see them start the next step in their life journey after graduation, but that is the important part, it should be the next step after graduation, not something that they do while still masquerading as an idol.

>>54770969
Apparently as long as it's offstream its fine.

>>54770969
never and I'm not saying because they will steal my wife (which they will) but because male streamers including meat ones are more manhera than women and just cause drama, the very few mentally stable ones are either married or only do shit by themselves.

>>54770969
You sound like a cuck.

>>54771783
Honestly that anons not wrong, and I say this as a unicorn. I watch Hololive for the imaginary girlfriends, I don't give a shit if they're funny or entertaining or whatever, I just want waifus. I don't see why everyone acts like that's so strange or pathetic, how is that any different than a woman reading romance novels or playing dating games? I just want to have some escapism where I can ship myself with Fauna or IRyS and forget about my problems for a few hours, without people trying to stick their nose up my ass and shame me for it.

>>54770969
Soon after their debut, they should make their stance regarding male collabs clear, that way fans who are looking for a traditional idol know to stay clear before they've invested time and money into supporting them. The primary issue with vtubers and idols in general interacting with men outside the audience is that it makes a subset of fans feel like a third wheel, and no one wants to feel like a third wheel unless you're unironically into NTR.

You can have the unicorns or you can have male collabs, you cannot have both, so you have to decide quickly and communicate your choice clearly.
>But it could hurt their growth!
Yes, but that's how it works. It's like a fork in the road, the choices are mutually exclusive.
>Why? They should just not watch content they don't like.
The content a vtuber creates is necessarily seen as a whole, whether you watch it or not is irrelevant, that it happened at all is what matters.
>They're mentally ill!
Anyone with the time and money to support vtubers is.

>>54770969
U annoying Nijinigger
Look at yer own BlackSanji

>>54773729
Are you trying to say that vtubers should graduate before getting married or having kids?

>>54773290
> It's a primal part of the male ape brain that is at work here
why are you brown?

>>54770969
When they both star in the same japanese kids show about heros fighting monsters in costumes.
>>54774103
That would be ideal for unicorns.

>>54770969
Why can’t you understand why people wouldn’t want to watch male vtubers and it’s baffling to me how people can be this confused.
Straight men, which are the vast majority of the vtubing audience, do not find men to be cute or attractive. So listening to male vtubers is inherently repulsive. If you need a comparison it’s similar to ASMR artists. Men would also not want to hear other men doing those things.
It doesn’t mean that they expect a relationship with them, like homobeggars often try to paint people as, they just don’t find men attractive. And the voice is the only real life thing that people get from vtubers, and if that’s not attractive to you then that’s just a major reason to not watch that vtuber.
It really is that easy as CGDCT not including men. A moe anime like K-On just wouldn’t work with a man joining their group, it just throws the whole vibe off and ruins the tone of the anime.
It’s also a fact that both women and men behave differently in a group once the other sex is present. Not because they’re necessarily flustered or expect any romantic relationship or anything, the dynamic is just thrown off. It’s more generalized, it’s less comfortable, that’s just a fact.

Basically, people want to watch cute anime girls for their voices, since that’s the only thing we have, and if that’s not appealing to you, then you don’t want to listen to it.

>>54771509
Good bait.

>>54772158
Gen 3 hololive were on stream with males you know

>>54772352
Yeah, mine.

>>54773102
so sorry that your dad did that to you, you didn't deserve that, if that had happend to me, I guess I'd be androphobe too

ah yes, another unicorn thread...

>>54770969
sorry I just watch boyfriend-free vtubers exclusively

>>54773976
>>54773729
This is proper. A clear branding and a clear expectation of professionalism, and not idol larping that ends in drama.

Obviously this only applies to idol branded vtubers. The fags who seethe at males regardless of situation are as much of insidious infiltrators into the hobbies as the ironic weebs, and the culture wars/political zombies (both left and right).
They are the last form of cancer that is the lineage of /r9k/ failed normalfags and Supreme Gentlemen. Old 4chan used to shit on them and keep em in check, because we all knew the moment these whiny asses get a gf they'd drop the hobby like the coping sack of potatoes it truly was to them.
But I'm screaming to the void, since this board is an unholy sort of twitter/SEAfacebook mixture. The roman empire has long since been overrun by the barbarians.

>>54772467
Is that what you tell yourself whenever you watch other men run a train on your wife?
>I simply don’t look at it that way since we have an open relationship! If you can't help but see it that way, I guess you do you.

>>54774103
In essence, yes, if they are idols. A vtuber doesn't necessarily have to be an idol, in the same way that a local pop singer doesn't have to be an idol.
A vtuber who makes no pretenses to being an idol can do whatever they want, offcollab with the opposite sex, thirst over real people, whatever the fuck they want to do. An idol is a job with a series of requirements, like any other jobs. One of those is the image of purity. If they have to choose between their job and their personal life that is their prerogative and I would rather they choose whichever one makes them happy, but they are mutually exclusive. Graduate from your role as an idol, enter into your relationship, and return as a non idol personality.
This is not uncommon in the east, many idols return as personalities after graduation from their group or solo career. There is a clear delineation and all but the most embarrassing of idol tragics tend to cheer on their former idol into the next step of his or her life. The scandals come when you want to maintain a character of purity while being sullied in private, and that is where the issue with opposite sex collabs come in.
It is almost like this shit is several decades older than vtubing and is pretty straightforward if you bother to look into it, but everyone is too busy screaming about unicorns vs creative freedom to realise that vtubers and idols have a lot of crossover, but aren't the same thing at all times. I personally like plenty of male/female vtuber collabs, but refuse to consider a vtuber to be an idol after breaking the contract.

>>54771635
This but unironically. I have a hard time understanding why someone would watch vtubers for entertainment alone.

>>54772044
There are definitely some snackers who desperately want to fuck Filian in /lig/

>>54773952
i thought ppl like u were being ironic......

>>54775177
It is okay anon, one day people will learn that vtubers don't necessarily have to be idols, but idols should be idols and not just larpers. We'll be here waiting when the Goslings and Normies both finally learn the distinction between the two.

>>54773952
You people deserve to be shamed for it though

>>54771509
Ok nice coloring for this AI Ar-
>a gazillion hands
lmao

>>54772864
>For some reason, male vtubers are just dull.
That's because they're trying to appeal to a female demographic. (Incidentally, that's why mixed collabs don't work that well, the streams get crossed.)

>>54775337
People always had waifus, it’s the exact same thing, go kill yourself ironic weeb from r/animemes

>>54771062
This, for me.

>>54775536
This. They appeal to opposite audiences on their own time which is obviously bound to clash when they collab

>>54773560
lol, you're impotent. If you want to fix society's issues, get out there and do something about it, you useless sack of shit. Fact is, you can't. You're just projecting your own insecurities onto other nerds online because you're mentally too weak to accept reality. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

>>54774309
NTA but that post is correct and I'm as white as a sheet. You're arguing in bad faith or are broken if you disagree.

>>54770969
Never

>>54770969
I don't want to watch male vtubers at all. Simple as that. I watch regular male streamers because they can actullay be entertaining. I don't watch regular female streamers.

>>54775337
Ironic unicorn posts are the minority and it isn't even hard to tell. Unicorns will shitpost about being unicorns. It doesn't mean they're not actually unicorns. Self-deprecating humor exists.

>>54771635
I guess this anon >>54774861 who just wrote one of the more coherent arguments for unicornism I've seen is actually a bandwagoning grifter.

This too is part of why people don't like unicorns. You're all so contradictory, and fueled by childish emotions like jealously and bitterness.
The whole premise of feeling threatened by anime men for an anime girl who doesn't know you exist is pretty childish in the first place.

>>54774861
Yeah. In short, it's really just the fact that straight men don't want to be intimate with other men. They do want to be intimate with women. And that's usually what they're looking for in a vtuber, female intimacy.

>>54771062
This. I didn't mind it with Tsunderia's Tsundream but the males behaved.

>>54770969
homobeggar thread

>>54770969
no

>>54775564
>People always had waifus
...and we knew it was a mistake to conflate 2D with 3D. Which is one of the main problems here. Mostly because many idol branded vtubers cannot perform professionally.

I wish branding was more clear and there were rules so that the viewers could sue an idol branded vtuber if they break the idol contract. Similar to any other service if the product you get is not what you payed for. This would pop the "idol larp bubble" so that only the ones truly interested would be willing to be an idol vtuber.

Again, this ONLY applies to idol branded vtubers. Many other male and female vtubers don't brand themselves as idols and that is perfectly fine.
I watch both kinds for their intended purposes.

>>54775337
That just means that you're probably young and naive. Don't worry, you'll understand in time.

>>54772352
holy shit is true

>>54770969
Vtubers are inherently about attractions. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t put up a fake anime avatar and just stream as their genuine self. It’s simple:
I’m straight.
I can find girls cute.
I can’t find men cute.
I watch female vtubers.
Simple as.

>>54773560
so true sister

>>54770969
When it makes for content people genuinely love and will pay for.
Anime doesn't always have to be CGDCT.

>>54775960
You know what that’s fair. The "idol" part of Hololive should be cleared up and defined precisely.
And people can just watch other vtubers if they don’t like it, it’s fine to have shit taste after all

>>54775895
>doesn't know you
You don't have to know someone on a super personal level to just know that they exist btw

>>54775712
Eh, there's no point in arguing with guys like that. The brain worms are too strong and he thinks the world works on Disney magic.
>work hard and success is guaranteed!
>the good guys always win!
>good men never have any lustful thoughts about women!
>jealousy is unnatural and means you need to do better!
It's so internalized that any indication to the contrary is rejected outright. (Well, they're also sometimes just children who don't know any better.)

>>54775337
It's just a self-flaggelating larp. They need their victim complex, it let's them justify a lot of bullshit.
>woe is me! I'm a turbo virgin!
>Surely no turbo virgin has EVER found happiness, and niether will I
>Since it's inevitable, guess its okay if I...
(eat junkfood) (porn addiction) (pretend to be in love with a vtuber) (etc)
>woe is me! Other people have it so much better / easier than ME!

>>54770969
Real Idols have real managers that will handle any contact. There is nothing wrong with an Idol interviewed by a male. Even as cringe as the hypnosis skit was it's still in the green zone. Now having your rigger popup in your nintendo friendlist or leaking your private discord server full with males is why no one should take vtubers serious as idols.

>>54775702
I am doing way more for society than you will ever be lmao, but you won't know that because you don't have the slightest idea what that entails in the first place

>>54770969
Hololive's female centric streaming dynamics are what make it stand out in a male dominated medium, and mixed collabs undermine that.

>>54770969
These threads should be banned on sight

>>54776437
>guys
female hands type 90% of the posts that defend cheating

>>54776801
preach sis

>>54773312
that's an all male collab though?

>>54770969
>when is it ok for vtubers to associate with men
When they manage to cultivate an audience that's ok with it like Vei, Nyanners, or Ironmouse. If a vtuber joins a company like Hololive, they should expect that their audience almost certainly won't be ok with it. That's just the price you pay for instant success.

Vtubers should only be female.
Viewers should only be male.

>>54777631
The only correct order in the world.

>>54776139
>Neuro
Also it works because A: the dynamic between neuro and vedal is more of a father and daughter and it’s not creepy because it’s an AI and B: Vedal doesn’t use some fuckboy fujo-appealing anime avatar.

>>54770969
....go away.

>>54774861
Best take I've seen so far. Good job anon.

>>54770969
Never

>>54770969
Be this type of man and everyone will be ok with it

>>54770969
Male Vtuber = cringe

>>54775337
There's nothing ironic about waking up one day to realise that the exact frame of time you should have experienced human warmth from the opposite sex who isn't related to you is long gone, and that you're unlikely outside of a miracle to ever experience it. The only thing you can do is seek out anesthetic to distract you from how badly starved for affection you get with every passing day.

>>54776653
>Dude everyone can find someone, it's just a victim complex
Statistically speaking, this is untrue. Numerous studies have confirmed that women are incredibly selective and will always chase the top percentages of men in whatever pool is immediately available to them as a general rule. The internet has made this pool significantly larger, thus the proportion of men who are being passed up for Chad, so to speak, is likewise growing larger.

If your response to that is simply 'improve yourself', you should know there's only so much you can improve yourself. Some lucky bastard may succeed, but that doesn't change that dating is a numbers game, and someone has to lose it. Getting parasocial with vtubers is functionally a consolation prize, it's not surprising then that unicorns get incredibly upset when that consolation is threatened. It sucks, but it's darwinism at work.

>>54777825
His only flawed reasoning is
>So listening to male vtubers is inherently repulsive.
As many people watch disembodied male voices or male live cams playing games and such. Then there's jerma etc.
His point only applies when the male is trying to be appealing/seductive to the audience (BFE oriented). Then yeah there's no point in watching that if you aren't into males.

Granted most of the males in big corpos ARE like that, in fact I think there's a bigger proportion of BFE males to males in general than there are GFE females to females in general.
To see non BFE males you kinda need to dig into indies. Hobbyists like uwu_to_owo, kongou, powernelson and such.
>why not watch normal streamers then
I appreciate strong kayfabe, specially when it integrates seamlessly into the content. Mad scientist, ninja, 40s superhero, and so on.

>>54770969
Total Homo Death
https://files.catbox.moe/ogiekr.mp4

>>54772044
>according to whom exactly
UHM SOURCE SOURCE? I NEED A SOURCE? I NEED A TRUSTED EXPERT TO TELL ME THINGS I DONT LIKE READING ARE TRUE

>>54770969
Preferably never in any scenario
Because men ruin the streams and the vibe.
Not even talking about the whole gfe or unicorn issue
Just in general males don't belong in cgdct content and the males that are there are shoehorning leeches like troons in the women's bathrooms or radfems in male spaces not because they care but because it's part of their retarded ideology.
So it's always bad but less bad for women that make it clear they hate their fans from the start because then there's no betrayal.

>>54773560
Retard you're describing the main consumers of a product.
They want their products bought.

>>54771783
Somewhat right, it's just usually male viewers have some what crush on chuuba, even if it's not strong, but viewers spend time and sometimes money on chuuba, to connect with them, them some guy just comes in, spends nothing and gets more interaction than you ever will, ofcourse viewers will get jealous. Same way with indies going to conventions, not even "fucking" part, but people they met at convention will leave bigger mark in their mind despite not spending same amount of effort as some guy who watches every stream but can't attend convention, well and FOMO ofcourse.

>>54770969
When they're male or when they don't advertise themselves of any form of GFE. If they're not GFE they shouldn't need bother with giving a warning, if they have to give a warning they probably shouldn't be doing a male collab.

>>54770969
>I recently asked why some people
Was it your little Discord echo chamber?

>>54770969
Never, it is never ok, male vtubers are a plague that needs to be eradicated

>>54778526
A vtuber branding herself as GFE is offering a clear service. For anyone non GFE and/or idol, it's just your deluded mind forcing your grievances onto the real world. Just like with trannies, it's all in your head, same bottom of the barrel schizo.

If someone offers GFE service, it's their responsibility to perform as such (like Wemi). If you expect reality to comform to your whims when watching non-GFE vtubers by confusing "I like this person" with "she's GFE for me", then it's your problem.
All I ask for, is each branding should be clear, and enforced.

>>54770969
Don't talk about sexual things or relationships or opinions on those things while in mixed company.
It's as simple as that. And it goes for both the male and female participants, whether it's a streaming collab or twitter interaction. That's all it takes for these things to be tolerable or even enjoyable
You can save that type of chat for "girl's talk" time or "guy's banter" when it's a single sex gathering.
Second, don't forget you're entertainers first and foremost. You're no longer some random indie hanging out with their uni or game guild friends.

>>54770969
>is it ok for non-GFE chuubas to interact with men
All vtubers are GFE. There is no exception. Non-GFE are not a thing. Even vtubers who are publicly in a relationship are technically GFEs. Instead of streaming to incels, however, their viewers consist of a more pathetic breed commonly referred to as cucks. There's a surprising amount of these types if concurrent viewer numbers are indicative.
>To prevent any hurt feelings, should vtubers explicitly state who they plan to collab with and whether or not they plan to do GFE early on?
Yes to the first question. No to the second because vtubers are inherently GFE.

Incidentally, it's interesting how people thought the vtuber industry would be any different from the idol industry. They pull from the same demographic and run on the same underlying principle of GFE. People pretending that they're better than idol fans because they're vtuber watchers are missing a chromosome and should quickly pull their head out of their ass and unretard themselves before their head goes any deeper and they're stuck as a retarded, delusional lovecraftian freak standing at dwarf height.

>>54779152
>Second, don't forget you're entertainers first and foremost. You're no longer some random indie hanging out with their uni or game guild friends.
This is big. I think there's sometimes a female brained confusion, in that they take the money and attention for granted by virtue of being girls and so their performance worsens. While they should be aware they are actually performing as entertainers, as a job. They don't deserve all of that just by existing. Just like everyone else who has to work.
Do a job good and you'll be rewarded. Take it all for granted as if you were still a highschool queen, and one day you slip and it's all over. Then comes the crying and "how could this happen to me".

>>54779409
>All vtubers are GFE. There is no exception
Wrong. That is just projection.
Read >>54779046. You are exactly like the trannies, no the real world won't cave to your delusions.

>>54778339
So be charismatic, funny and cannot make you feel intimated if he collabs with your oshi? I don't think we'll ever see another Roberu, especially in EN and it saddens me.

>>54779645
All women in entertainment are GFE and only as valuable as how much they make my pp hard. Sorry I don't make the rules

The real reason is, because we're envious

>>54773976
>no one wants to feel like a third wheel unless you're unironically into NTR.
Are there chuubas playing into the NTR thing?
Just curious, haha.

>>54770969
any involvement at all outside of like a obligatory "happy birthday tweet" is too much. Collabs is game over. I'll never watch her again

>>54780513
I remember anons talking about some jao chuuba that got impregnated on stream by her husband and they rped whole NTR thing. Don't know the name though, as I'm not into that.

>>54777825
Thx
>>54778498
Funny thing is, I actually thought about including Jerma as I do watch him but thought the comment would just digress too much.
Basically normal streamers generally try to (at least seem) completely legitimate and real like that’s how they always are. Jerma is a good example of that. And that wouldn’t work if they tried to do that while hiding behind an anime avatar. It’s an extra layer that is different even from streaming without a facecam at all, and just streaming gameplay (although that is probably not too successful of a strategy when you aren’t an established streamer yet). You already try to put on a persona merely by being a vtuber, that’s just a fact. (Streamers like pokimane having a vtuber avatar based on their real face is just a brief gimmick stemming from the hype of vtubers, but it’s not something they want to do in the long term and is nonsensical, vtubing is far more than just an anime avatar)
This extra layer is what many vtubers are based on, and is the reason they work. I don’t want to pull the old "all vtubers are talentless hacks" spiel, but I’ll say that most of them don’t find success due of their actual entertainment qualities.

I’m complicating this too much and maybe I’ll just give an example.
Jerma is literally just a dude that plays a game he likes and he’s a fun entertainer, him being genuine and real is perhaps the most important thing about him. His chat would annihilate him verbally if he talks with the slightest pitch, obviously hiding behind an anime avatar he would just be laughed out the room.
Gura is watched because people are attracted to her. I’m not saying she’s a bad entertainer, she’s actually one of the best among Hololive, but I’m saying that fact is secondary to people being attracted to her. They are straight men and she’s a cute girl, it’s something they like to see.

When I was watching filian, I absolutely loved having Kendo on stream and their chemistry was great.

I don't watch vtubers anymore but most of the time the males are just straight up boring and/or making everything uncomfortable or sometimes even trying to go with their stuff too much. They force too much and they don't really care. And I'm not here to watch them. I don't care about them 99% of the time. That's why it's annoying.
Males being males

>>54770969
This explains it well imo:
>how is that any different than [someone] reading romance novels or playing dating games? I just want to have some escapism where I can ship myself with [a character] and forget about my problems for a few hours
Not everybody, but many, many fans watch vtubers with this mindset (I do too, at times. Some escapism is healthy.)
The problem arises when out of the blue the character, meaning the model + lore + voice + the actress's stream of consciousness (because we all know they aren't just voice actresses, they aren't reading from a script) start interacting with a man, because it turns the entire situation upside down, and some people will feel betrayed.

>>54772044
>Can Holomembers talk about Yagoo?
Believe it or not, that is also controversial. Look at the reaction when Yagoo's image and pre-recorded voice appeared in Advent's collab earlier today (or yesterday.) Some welcomed him, others were turned off and left the stream.

>>54770969
To me, I just don't like seeing them on my screen. I actually follow a bunch of male streamers on twitch, but there's something about watching a guy livestreaming behind a 2D anime avatar that just repels me.

>>54770969
I don't care about collabs with men. I don't like them but eh.
I just fucking hate how certain HoloEN members and management try to force them on everyone, play some weird games with "defeating the damn unicorns!" and shaming people for wanting cute girls doing cute things. It also does not help that there are guys like Vesper that must act obnoxious about getting permission to collab with girls.
JP side is very elegant about it - Here's occassional song and male and female Vchuuba having normal-ass talk because they ended in the same stream. No dozens of Tweets about why you suck, no hours of streams that are just bashing and shaming people for not liking it, no fucking Kronii trying to give herself food poisoning live.

>>54770969
Behind the screen? I honestly dont care about their IRL. Just don't collab with male and stream.

>>54771635
>everyone must have the same mental illness as me!
meds anon

>>54771062
SPBP

>>54770969
>immersion for GFE
lolno I just hate all male vtubers and think they actually drag down any and all streams they're in.
And I hate their begging invasive fanbases at least double as much as I do them if not more.

>>54771694
you will never be Japanese

>>54776653
lol, you know nothing. Your thoughts are nothing but a way for you to cope with a cruel reality. The world is not fair, but you think that if you just close your eyes and pretend, everything will be fine.
It's okay, most people are stupid. You are not alone.

Really shows that people who think all vtubers are GFE and should be GFE just haven't encountered any entertaining chuubas because they're retarded EOPs. I assure you, a lot of people watch Pekora, Miko or Korone solely for the entertainment value and don't want to love or fuck them. It's not that hard to get if you aren't a complete coombrain, you can admit that a girl is cute and/or sexy and still not think about fucking her and how her interaction with males cucks you. Being parasocial isn't a requirement for having an oshi, not everything is about sex, you can feel differently about people and support them in different ways.

>>54776913
This is the most concise way to put it. Hololive is one of the only gender-segregated big corpos, and its success is tied to that.

It's simple if you remove the physical barriers of online streaming and visualize what is actually happening when you watch a stream:
It's (You) (amalgamated with the rest of the viewers into one person as "The Chat") sitting together with the chuuba in her room as she plays a game, watches a movie together, sings karaoke etc. It is inherently an intimate activity, one on one between her and the combined Chat which (You) parasocially insert into.
A male collaboration stream is the chuuba and a guy sitting together and doing these activities together, with (You) "The Chat" sitting behind passively watching them. That is KEK behavior.

The common response against this is that any sense of intimacy is inappropriate and instead can and should be sterilized and platonic.
But if it is all platonic, would men watch female chuubas if they didn't have attractive voices and their absolute peak feminine aesthetic models? NO. It's all rooted in attraction to women. That dynamic is fundamental. So even in this simulated, fake, virtual and parasocial setting, men don't want to be cucked.

>bwwaaa why don't you like it when I try and force change on the hobby you already enjoy
Why people always try to push the reverse burden of evidence when it comes to this shit?
You're the one trying to change how things have always been for the worse.
Why are americans like this?

>>54771062
>As long as they don't flirt
It's literally impossible in my experience anon. Male vtubers cannot help but flirt and female vtubers can't help but flirt back. It's all they can ever do and if they are called out on it they both will deny it. >>54770969
Which is to answer OPs question. I don't want to play wingman or feel like a third wheel when I come to be entertained.

>>54784781
platonic has nothing to do with being sterilized or nonattractive

>>54770969
if they do GFE there is never a good time, its part of the deal, if the vtuber dont like being restricted then dont do GFE, is that simple, for any other just dont be creepy or flirt all the time, be like vox, the way he shits on her cocksleeves is hilarious.

>>54784163
Don’t pull the Japanese mental slavery card and pretend everything is okay over there. Those people are conditioned to not break the illusion of a perfect society, even throw their kids to the street if their family image is tainted, so of course you will not see their real opinion reflected on the internet. Is not normal to let your kid see sexual service stores on the street and say is okay, neither is to learn how a celebrity personal life is going on. What you call” entertainment” is not, a basic test to see if a vtuber is GFE or not, is to listen what they say when superchats come in.

>>54785270
It has to sterilize any sense of sexual attraction or dynamic. If there's no sexual element then you cannot be a cuck when you sit in the corner and watch your chuuba and a guy hanging out for a few hours. Because it isn't a guy and girl, it's just two heckin people, right?

>>54785260
Sounds like you problem if you see everything as flirting

>>54785870
>muh if they're not spewing out their personal issues ad nauseam while complaining about what others get up to they're not being "real"
Fuck off ameritroon.

>why don't you like males?
>why don't you want collabs with males?
>what is the problem with males?
>when is it ok to collab with males?
>what type of male interaction is ok?
>is it ok to collab with males if it's a group of many boys and girls?
>is it ok for non-gfe vtubers to collab with males?
>is it ok to collab with males if they disclose it in their debut?
>can we please have male collabs?
>male collabs?
>males collabs male collabs male collabs?
>males males males males males

>>54771509
>mole on her chest
what is this off-model garbage

>>54786067
You massively misunderstood my message to fit your own narrative, again. Is true influential people share part of their life with the internet, but not to the extend vtubers do. You don’t know what your favorite actor latest dream was about, neither what’s the condition of their pet or what they ate last day. “vtubers are not GFE” have a lot of issues you explain.
You seem too unstable for an anon whom watch vtuber for “entertaiment”.

>>54770969
Only if the male has reached to true celebrity status no meme e celebs

>>54786346
>You don’t know what your favorite actor latest dream was about, neither what’s the condition of their pet or what they ate last day.
That's literally all the shit they push out on twitter you massive disingeneous faggot.

Homobeggars should all be permabanned.
Actually worse quality of posts than all the unmedicated schizos.

>>54770969
any association is fine when its kept off stream/spotlight. acceptable for stream is people who are obviously a different "class." ie, not really their peers. as some examples the cases where there have been famous men in professional settings, pekora's hypnotist, fbk with mafia and nakamura. 0 public interactions are still better, but examples like those stay in the acceptable range

>>54770969
When they are a male themselves.

We need an idol board so all the Hololive and GFE fans can go there. Unicornposting outside of that board should be bannable.

>>54786932
>board created for hololive fans and idolfags not to shit up /jp/
>muh homostars board
Kill yourself.

>>54786749
Show us a list then

>>54786932
>Let's create a dedicated board for falseflag shitposting
retard

>>54786932
Who the fuck do you think you’re referring to, the homobeggars should stick to their generals

>>54786932
Nah, we need /homo/

When they are honest about it.
Professional collabs? Playing with friends? Be honest about your relationship and the boundaries of it and there are no problems: simply don't fucking lie about it.

>>54770969
When she's 60

>>54770969
>When is it ok for vtubers to associate with men?
During professional interviews like when Yagoo was on Holotalk or when Kiara was interviewed by the gay Dokomi catboy. And by professional I mean the girls and the guys both have to act like professionals and the interview has to take place for a valid professional reason. Bae or somebody "interviewing" some Homo just as an excuse to flirt with him on stream and be a cocksleeve wouldn't fly.

>>54788735
How does being a cocksleeve work when they are simply in a call, not being physically there and talking about random shit? How does being on a stream equal sex?

Imagine if a streamer started giving one of her male viewers special attention.
She keeps talking to him, reading his chats, basically just pandering to this one specific dude the entire stream, completely overlooking the rest of her viewers.
As a fan, how would you feel?
Now imagine the same scenario, but this time the guy has a model.

Its not hard to understand.

>>54770969
This >>54771062 that shit gets annoying real fast

>>54779427
It's literally the "memento mori" that should be whispered in a vtuber's ear during their major corpo debut, like what was whispered to roman generals by their slaves when they entered Rome in a parade of triumph after a conquest.

Have the manager whisper "remember, you're just a dancing monkey" in a secret discord call.

>>54788864
Nobody says it equals sex you disingenuous homobeggar, what is there not to get? This whole discussion was how people don’t like to see male vtubers and especially not them interacting with normal vtubers because it turns to flirting which makes the audience feel like a third wheel.

>>54771694
This is hilarious and everyone falling for it is retarded

>>54790191
you complete, utter and absolute omegaturboseanigger, READ

>>54788735
>be a cocksleeve

Jakarta needs to get nuked

NEVER

The only legit and mainstream role a vtuber can do is cute girl doing cute things, and that's a all fermale only thing.
Nothing else can be done by the streaming medium, nothing else can be done by just chatting and gaming with a static avatar, fermale anime comedy is the ONLY real option.
At most a ecchi whore can still work (still no male contact) and males are fucked, they can only be gay male fujobait for that niche.

But but but kuzuha, the dude is just a normie tier streamer with a pointless anime avatar, he can only exist in japan and on top of niji massive network, is not something truly viable.

>>54770969
when the viewer isn't a parasocial schizo incel

Male vtubers are like watching men in ballet or wnba. Theyre not awful, but theres better options.

>>54770969
always

>>54770969
It is never okay to interact with a male vtuber. Interacting with other males is fine as long as its something an idol would do like a game show, interview, professional promotion, etc

>>54770969
I'm a man. I know what men think and do. There is no friendship between men and women. Any guy who has a pretty female friend if she asked him for a fuck 100% of the time he's not gonna say no even if they have been friends for 10 years. That is just how it is. I have no interest in seeing these people interacting with each other. And even worse while hiding behind anime avatars. Unless we are talking about interviews or other special events there is no reason for homo collabs to be a thing.

>>54770969
literally always, i enjoy seeing kissless virgins here mald

>>54770969
Why would I want to see ikemen with cute anime girls?

Just go and watch some Twitch thots if you want to see guys flirting with girls ffs.

>>54778403
They should off themselves then so they won't take up precious oxygen and resources

>>54780153
Oh please, your testosterone level is so slow the only way you can make your dick hard is by using viagra

>>54801366
By all means, lead by example

>>54770969
They're only allowed to look, talk, or acknowledge me. If they do that to anyone else, they're a fucking whore.

>>54770969
Whenever they want to.

It's up to you to watch it or not.

>>54770969
at whatever point they choose to do so. Take your meds.

>>54801616
I am objectively superior to anyone here because I'm a normie. The world needs me more than you.

>>54779046
Obsessed with trannies

>>54802135
You're not a real normie. No normie would come to this board or site, let alone post.

>>54770969
take korone as an example, she collaborates with males in a professional setting or big events that expands the hololive name (irl twich fags should not ever be in cosideration)

>>54770969
>When is it ok for vtubers to associate with men?
Never. Male collabs destroy the chuuba-chat dynamic and make us excluded bystanders rather than active participants. The only "male" should and must be the chat itself. This is completely unrelated to the mythical GFE, it's utterly irrelevant whether or not the chuuba is GFE or not. Furthermore, the maletubers chat will inevitably encourage the maletuber to flirt and to be a general sex pest, since they see him as their leader and project a bit of themselves on him. This puts the chuuba's chat into a position where they are intrinsically subordinated to the chat of the maletuber, and thus a repulsive hierarchy is formed. In addition to all that the chuuba's chat is metaphorically a kind of pimp in this situation. Our every praise, meme or insider jokes only serve to make the maletuber and his chat even more eager for him to "conquer" her and flirt with her because by definition the chuuba is "above us" as an illusionary high status female. We act towards her in this way and thus support her.

Any chuuba who values her audience will reject any and all maletubers under all circumstances. Consequently any chuuba that interacts with maletubers is unwatchable and it's a waste of time being invested in her and her success. Avoiding males isn't GFE, it's just basic courtesy.

>>54784073
>>54778403
this is probably my hyper autism at work, but unironically find a hobby. I was as touch starved and unbelievable lonely as you two for 15 years. got into toku and scuplting, and haven't had to think seriously about things you can't do anything about ever since. shit happens. it is what it is.

>>54797985
No, you know what (You) think and do. (You) out of the billions of other men alive. No need to project just because you couldn't form any meaningful relationships with any woman that isn't your mom