/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>54980932
if you're funny go vshojo
if you're boring corposlop fodder i don't care do whatever

>>54981042
I am funny not a whore

>>54980932
Link your stream and I will grant you the answer.

Vshojo is your retirement home if you make it into Hololive.
Now that said.... what do you want to do anon? remember that joinin a big company means goodbye to reaction content and copyrighted memes, joining Holo means you will fly to japan to do some stuff, you'll dance and sing wether you like it or not and if you decide to collab with males you'll have to be clear from the start or you'll end up like picrel.
NijisanjiEN is a DO NOT EVER
the other ones are equal options to each other, I heard that idol gives you equipment and such in case you're a poorfag tho.
Touching the Vshojo thing, you have to be a stablished Vtuber to join, they are not accepting, at least as of now, random 1views to join them so you have no chance, maybe in the future.
I would advise to join another company in the meantime, get a nice curriculum and join Hololive if it's still your intent

>>54980932
what you think is not true. holo has hired those with other corpo history before. do your research and you will see.

Out of the smaller ones, phase is probably the only one worth applying to.

>>54981187
>brainwashed by catalognigs
yeah I hope you fail miserably

>>54980932
I don't know what to tell you besides good luck (and please have sex with me I need it) femanon. Would have to see your content to give a real answer.

>>54980932
Prism own by sony -> Go here
Phase and idol are a joke
Vshojo and niji are black corps

Does any one company have a larger number of holos that have graduated from them? Not wanting doxx information--but is there a defined pipeline yet from any of the small companies?

>>54981913
I will add that previous corpo experience is probably both a positive and a negative at the same time as long as you left on good terms.
The only one that's probably no-go for poaching under any circumstance is Holo x Niji.

apply to small corpo for now then apply to holo whenever they open their audition
if you're a male then fuck off

>>54980932
Getting into the big corpos Hololive/Nijisanji is certainly hitting a jackpot but you also have to consider that just speaking statistically you will be competing against a lot more applicant (whenever insiders that their staff/talents talk about auditions they always say that the number of applicants is in the thousands) so you have to be both very confident and persistent.

>>54981696
I have been dreaming about auditioning for holo since discovering them during pandemic, took dancing lessons for a while and taking singing lessons too. I started auditioning this year because I wanted to settle down some stuff like studies and so first, so I had plenty of time for thinking about what it means to join the company. I am not interested in vshojo at all..too much drama for me, I like holo because they are an Idol company. My other option was nijisanji (before) and now Idol, I like their talents and how transparent they are with the benefits you get when joining, but still its nothing compared to holo and the love I developed for the girls there. But Idol is not a completely underground company now so I doubt they will hire someone who was already part of a "big" corpo before, that is my biggest fear.

>>54980932
>Is it worth auditioning for an agency other than Holo?
lol fuck no. Be an indie and use that experience to build a resume for your Hololive auditions.

>>54980932
Getting into Hololive is like getting a golden ticket.
You should look at it as kind of a mid goal or end goal of your career.

>>54982550
what do you consider small anon? and I think holo auditions are still open

>>54981187
based.
Luna and Polka were corpos before holo, but that was some time ago. Only Cover know whether they are hiring indies over former corpos. Yagoo and hololive members mentioned what COVER is looking for and what skills you should have but had made no mention of corpos or indies. (maybe you can send a superchat to ask) The current scene for small corpos seem to be destine for some drama yab disband or forever 2 views, i think remaining indie is better. With how hard Nijisanji and Vhoejo fell, Holo really is the only one viable at the moment.

>>54982182
No one company dominates the list. Hololive/Holostars have recruited former members of
Nijisanji
Brave Group - Gamebu
upd8
etc.

Hololive has more recruits from complete indies and non-vtuber content creators than former corpo vtubers to suggest a pipeline exists.

>>54980932
YWNBAW

>>54980932
Woman, settle for small corpo for now.
Hell, settle for EIEN even.
You can try Holo later.

>>54982730
good luck anon

>>54980932
Nijisanji is the only company that will be a last stop for your career but it's also a completely garbage one so they're pretty much the only company that you should avoid at all costs. Vshojo only hires based on clout or how much of a orbiter you are to the current members which I doubt you are. Regarding the others Phase and Idol are pretty decent but there hasn't been any former member of either company that got into Hololive or other big companies so who knows, and the ones below them are mostly memes, with Prism having the Sony backing but I doubt that will amount to much if anything.

>>54982182
nope, they are from all over. the most i think were lui and laplus from the same corpo at one point.

Legitimate question, do you even stream? You're going to need an established indie channel before you even get picked up by a third rate talent group

>>54983252
thanks anons I love you all

>>54983487
I do, but I am like bottom tier small creator. I had hopes for holo because I know they hired small creator or people who have never been vtubers in the past.

>>54983536
fuck you i already have oshi
im not man whore
she will beat you up

>>54981913
It is okay anon, I will, femanon loves you all
Seriously this dumb website makes me laugh a lot

>>54980932
hololive has hired corpos who's corpo folded... that's how korone and okayu came on board.

japanese companies hate hiring people who quit from another company... so leaving before a contact up is the deathpill to a japanese company hiring you. Leaving when a contract ends is fine by their books. Getting fired FOR CAUSE by another japanese company is probably a deathknell as well for being hired by a japanese company.

in short the only type of person a japanese company would hire who worked for someone else is someone who
-left on good terms after satisfying terms of contract
-was terminated via downsizing, not for cause
-was terminated via cooperate closure

as for getting hired by hololive, it seems they favor people with experience in the industry, however they also seem to favor people with talent. actual talent. Bae was a dancer, nearly pro level before being hired. Sana and Ina were both artists, Calli was an underground rapper in japan, Kiara was a model/idol wannabe with 3 language talent, watson was a fps streamer, gura was a nearly million sub indi-vtuber, koroni, mumie and fauna were probably the least distinguished as streamers/content creators of the first two gens... the third gen has an unknown baby-tuber, twin vtubers who've been around for a decade in social media or more, and an OG en indi vtuber...

so if you're looking for hope if you don't have a standout talent, your hope would be koroni, beryl, fauna, or mumie path, and bring something that just pops on stream. be it voice or personality.

>>54980932
There is literally no track record of HoloEN hiring girls from another corpo. Only Niji hired Rosemi out of a small corpo.
I think small corpos are worth it for people that going indie just isn't working out.

>>54982730
Idol would probably take you, if they see you are good enough. They have ex-cyberlive girls in their last generation. They aren't auditioning right now, unless you speak spanish.

>>54982730
first off, list me all of your talents
second of all, I understand that fear, but if you're good enough you'll be chosen, never be afraid to apply to other corpos and do your best, if the company you join implodes then you'll have a record of being 100% profesional and not getting into trouble, that would give you extra points now that Dimitri Jap took over and gave kronii and Mori an earful about their past arcs.
Learn from all of the yabs you've seen in Hololive to not become the next punching bag.

>>54980932
Are you female?

>>54983823
Sorry anon I kneel please tell her I am sorry and wont talk to her man ever again

>>54984056
>There is literally no track record of HoloEN hiring girls from another corpo.
wrong, korone and okayu both were with another japanese vtubing company, the company folded, that's how hololive scooped them up.

>>54984056
>bae...
Anon please factcheck yourself first before spitting out bullshit.

>>54980932
If youre EU you dont have any other choice

>>54984199
I said EN, yes JP hired Polka too.

>>54984154
indeed anon

>>54984199
That was directly because of Fubuki and Hololive was a lot smaller back then.

>>54982388
Luna nanora.

>>54981187
Based
>>54981853
Biggest faggot of the night

>>54984257
oops, yeah I guess she is the role model of girls grinding on the small corpos.

>>54984332
So stream. Post links here and whatever. Put in the fucking work. You notice how ALL of the newest hires were already streamers prior to this? That's the only way you're getting in that door.

>>54983721
You don't have to listen to other anons because their auditions are always open and besides being over 18 and not in a legally binding contract with another company, there are no restrictions. The questions are aimed at finding out what you can bring that is special and stands out.

>>54981954
How is vshojo of all companies a black corp lmao

>>54984465
Rrat and Kronii both came from small corpos, and if you want to stretch the definition the Twins were under a company before as well.

>>54980932
If your goal is to get into Hololive and nothing else then you probably shouldn't join another corpo, as hopping between contracts is gonna look real bad to the suits. Also more importantly some companies are black behind the scenes and you really don't want to get stuck in a predatory arrangement just for the sake of getting experience; getting terminated even out of a black company is a red flag.

Just start streaming, singing, doing content creation of some sort as an indie, that's your best bet. You don't even have to be a vtuber, just make content somehow and keep applying. Hololive has hired plenty of people who weren't vtubers beforehand.

>>54984391
Forgot about dababy but I don't see that ever happening again.

>>54984391
Luna happened in 2019. I know it was THE case of Cover hiring an ex-Niji but the chances of that ever happening again are almost in the negatives.

>>54980932
If you want to have a realistic chance of getting in a corpo without a bunch of prior experience, a large resume, or nepotism, joining other corpos isn’t a bad idea

>>54980932
Apply for a corpo that gets the same amount of views you do, then use them as a piggyback for your holo auditions.

>>54982730
as for gaining traction as a 2view.

All i can suggest is watch popular variety streamers. both vtubers and non-vtubers.

Asmongold is a good example, he isn't particularly great at gaming in general, but he's a very popular streamer who has successfully managed to keep his audience numbers astronomically high no matter what game he streams (which is unique, most streamers get an audience streaming one game and never can grow beyond that). but his interaction with his chat is why he's so entertaining.

if you want a vtuber analogue to asmongold pekora is probably the closest to him. they both succeed streaming with the same basic strategy. they're utter egotistical asses, who whine or "mald" when things don't go their way. which is exactly why they're so entertaining, because they aren't gaming gods they get to play the fool.

Find someone who is "comfortably" close to the type of streamer you think you are (be honest, maybe have some friends watch and compare) then figure out what that popular streamer does that you don't. copy it shamelessly.

then you have to grind. the keys to building an audience is regular streaming on a predictable schedule. like a TV program. try to stream as much as possible in the beginning then use your analytics to determine the best time to stream and what type of streams do the best. then set a schedule and trying to do a lot of those streams.

it's the only way you'll get anywhere as an indi.

>>54980932
Like half of EN was in a corpo before. At this point there's really no disadvantages of getting into a corpo and using it as a stepping stone into hololive.

>>54982730
I'd say apply for Idolcorp and join if they take you. Which is already a tall hurdle btw.
You can still continue applying to Holo, but if you're aiming for the EN branch they won't be recruiting for another year at least, so you should be using that time to build up experience.
Whatever identity you currently have, just stream. Check the crunchyroll interview from Shiori and Bijou, they'll give advice on what to do as a small chuuba to get yourself ready for the big leagues, both in terms of skill and in mental preparedness.
Aim to be a better streamer, idol or content creator rather than aiming for a particular company. That mindset will just lead to misery which will affect your content.

Remember that at one point Hololive used to be in the same position as Idolcorp is in now, a small fish in shark infested waters, before they built up their own box.
A lot of them just joined to be with their friends or to make friends. They didn't have the all encompassing goal of joining a particular company like Nijisanji or .Live or anything, they just had a goal and Hololive was a way of reaching that goal. In fact a lot of them were failed irl idols, and just joined Hololive as a way to make it as a virtual idol since competition there wasn't as big as in the irl industry.

Even as an indie, if you build yourself up and shill yourself properly, you can have a decently sized audience if you have some niche that's not being filled, and you can use that as leverage to join somewhere later on.

Consider why you want to be in Hololive as well. If you want the same experience, i.e. all your good friends are girls and streamers, then that can be found in other places as well.
If you want to be friends of HOLOS ONLY, that's not a mentality that will serve you well.
Focus on your content, skill and branding first and foremost. If you're good enough and you can show that in your audition tape, then you're well on your way to prosperous career no matter where you end up.

>>54981187
Amy Schumer also believes she is funny

>>54981696
>no official sources
C'mon anon. We all know the only place you can get number of merchs sold is from holoID local online shop

>>54986021
just like Vshojo :D

>>54980932
>My life purpose is to be in Hololive someday
Take /asp/'s genuine advice and kill yourself in advance if your goal is something you don't have any control over. If you want to succeed, do your voice reps, your standup comedy reps, your editing reps, your networking and pray you don't burn out before you're stable indie. Realistically, your chances of getting into a big corp are zero, so assume you'll never make it and keep streaming for your own sake. Give a shoutout to schizo rratposters when you make it big.

If you want to wait another 2 years, then sure. Personally I'd say go Idol. Phase has an unspoken black list, PRISM is dead in the water, I'd be wary of Kawaii, and you'd have to be willing to have balls to go with a new start up but can be rewarding building something up (look at Nene in Kawaii or the Idol EN girls or the popular Phase girls). Be realistic, but don't think getting into Hololive can't happen

>>54980932
maybe Vshojo
probably NIJI PROBABLY
but your best best now is just to go for Holo

>>54980932
>VShojo
You're not getting in unless you have some sort of connection with the girls.
>Hololive
The dream for 2views because they get instant success no matter how boring they are.
>Nijisanji
Meh, another cannon fodder.
>Phase
You will be hated, grouped with /pol/ but at least drama twitterfags will like you.

>>54982962
Holo auditions are always open, but dor the love of God use the new one from May and not the original once from December 2021. The new is exclusive to HoloEN and for some reason Cover didn't fix their site yet so if you go on the auditions page you'll get the old form.

https://hololive.hololivepro.com/en/news/20230524-01-32/

>>54980932
Just apply to all, it's still good experience, there is no guarantee you can get into any of them though.
Just remember if you go from Niji to Holo, you will be harassed by tribalfag from both side, at least in the beginning.

>>54980932
not collab with male please

>>54985931
>If you want to be friends of HOLOS ONLY, that's not a mentality that will serve you well.
Yeah, this is a good point. Being an unabashed Hololive fangirl is good a thing but your goal in Hololive should be much bigger than becoming a supporting character to your potential senpai. Wanting to be bigger than them is unironically a great goal to have as long as you're not an asshole about it.

>>54980932
>>54982730
The corporate website for Cover and pages for Hololive have some specific comments that should have caught your attention. The advice that anons give is not completely unsound but they already get many applicants that are 2view, 3views, and maybe even 4view.

I won't spell it out for you because this is something you need to realize yourself when you actively look into the company and what they're looking for. There are several ways that you can make yourself potentially risky to their corporate goals if they don't hire you, regardless of how many viewers you have. Focus on making yourself seem indispensable, or just focus on tweaking your schedule and game list to min max viewers if you think that will help more.

Working on another corpo is experience, they probably value that. The only thing is don't get terminated or in bad terms with that company or your chances are over.

>>54986183
Yeah, but that doesn't validate their Kronii hate campaign.

>>54986571
>2 years
It's highly likely that EN4 won't take that long.

>>54980932
>Is it worth auditioning for an agency other than Holo?
If youre Brazilian you have no other choice

If you can manage to reach 3view status as an indie and grow your social media presence a little, you can sign up to a talent management company like MSM Talent or Mythic Talent for sponsor deals and support. The more successful you are as an indie, the higher your chances of eventually getting in.

>>54984056
Bae

>>54990861
What makes you think this?

>>54983930
hololive only cares about subscriber numbers or ccv. They never let in someone who didn't hit their subscriber or ccv targets.

>>54993035
That's actually NijiEN, anon.

>>54990861
>The more successful you are as an indie, the less you want to go corpo where they limit you in what you can do.
FTFY

>>54993200
It's actually hololive. Look at myth, counsel, and advent. I'm not sure there ever was a single talent let in that didn't have at least 350k subscribers or hadn't already passed 1k ccv, either or.

>>54993424
The thread literally talked about counter examples but I guess reading is just too hard for you. So who are you trying to shill, Anykuro?

You can't predict what Hololive management hiring strategy will be like, so just apply. Reminder Nene applied 4 times before she finally got in.

>>54980932
Whatever you do, do not apply for Nijisanji unless you want to get Zaion'ed

>>54993489
What counter examples? Everyone still had big youtube channels that fit the criteria.

>>54980932
As long as they're not Niji. I believe you already have a good deal.

>>54993646
I'm not spoon feeding you since you can literally scroll up to see it.

>>54980932
Just apply everywhere and see what happens. Hell, Rosemi was in Tsunderia for like 2 weeks before graduating to go to Nijisanji and didn't suffer any repercussions for it.
If you really want to get into Holo, then I guess just keep reapplying. If you want to settle, maybe go with Niji, but their reputation leaves something to be desired. You'll be one talent in a sea of other talents.
Shojo, I don't even know if they're hiring right now. Phase I think is doing gen 3 auditions. They seem to have creative freedom given all the deep dive streams. I think you're on your own, though, when it comes to management, as multiple girls have talked about being on their own for getting a single recorded or getting singing lessons or something like that.
Still, they have a reputation about them and were pretty much everywhere at OffKai, so maybe a good choice. I haven't heard any talk of a clique over there like there is in Kawaii.
Idol is also doing pretty well for themselves from what I've seen. I don't know about their management or anything, but I guess they're doing something right if the only graduations so far are the actual Israelis. They also announced that Spanish gen which should be interesting.
Seems like the company wants to try giving specific ethnicities a chance at being vtubers with EN kind of being their fallback in case it doesn't work out. None of the Israelis had streamed before, and there's a chance none of the ES will have either.
Kawaii has a troubled past, and there are accusations from multiple talents about a clique within the company. Is there any truth to the rumors? I want to say no, but given how many people have already graduated, there may be some truth in it. Still, they have their own really well-done 3D models, idol outfits, and have even done a concert. If you want to be an idol, maybe give them a try; I think their auditions are still open.
I don't know much about the other companies. There's V&U, VReverie, AkioAir, PRISM, PixelLink who just formed so maybe get on the ground floor if they take off, and this estranged "Lucid Multimedia" who I've never seen collab with anyone from the other small companies.

>>54993814
There is such thing as a positive and negative claim. If you know the PL accounts then you'd know that holo en talents had killer metrics prior to joining. In another thread another anon was arguing this with me and they didn't know that mumei had nearly a million subscribers on her pl account.

>>54980932
I think it's better to start off somewhere than just trying to get into Hololive from the get-go. If you have no experience as a streamer or youtuber, i don't think you have any chance of getting into Hololive at this point. Even if you can sing, dance, draw, whatever, there's literally hundreds of people who can also do that and are trying to get into Hololive. At this point i think the only thing that can get you in is proving that you have what it takes as a streamer on your own terms.

>>54980932
You can always jump ship

>>54981042
If you’re a whore go VShojo
If you’re not funny go Phase
If you hate yourself go Niji

>>54982730
Good luck. And don’t give up too easily.

Kind of off-topic, but has anyone here tried auditioning for a corp with literally 0 experience just for shits and giggles? I wondre how far you could actually go with no experience if you went for one of the smaller corps

>>54986765
What if you hate Pippa?

>>54980932
>My life purpose is to be in Hololive someday
why?
>thwy wouldnt hire someone who was in another corpo before
that's not true, how are you so obsessed with hololive and dont even know this

>>54981042
finding whores funny doesn't mean being a whore is the same as being funny, froot

>>54981954
the best part about phase being a joke is that jokes are funny, like most of phase

>>54980932
After reading this thread you are just a shitter worth less than nothing, destined to fail no matter what, simply because your attitude.

>>54995321
if you hate pippa, you belong with the rest of the vtweeters, not in vtubing

>>54980932
>Female asking vt for advice
Try Phase.. you'll fit right in..

OP you need to have a marketable real life skill that is not streaming for hololive, and a goal that can be accomplished with their resources.

>>54995718
actually literally this, I hadn't even thought of that, but this.
It's so accurate holy fuck

>>54982730
Idol has about 2k other girls in their audition waiting list, they choose their talents obviously based on your abilities and experience but mainly personality and how well can you connect with your genmates. Be sure to do your decent human being reps

>>54995321
Then you don't apply to Phase. Wouldn't that be obvious?

>>54995356
Not everyone likes to spend their time in the sisters den that is that dox site.

>>54993945
NTA but they're probably talking about the rock and the detective. Both of their PLs were 3view AFAIK. For the rock it's almost a miracle she got in given the stiff competition, but she probably nailed the interview and knew how to market her talents.
Everyone else in holoEN, yeah, very reputable track record and pretty much yab-free

>>54995257

Kobo have zero prior experience in streaming, have zero subscriber PL (because she wasn't a youtube before), Kobo is pretty talented though, and probably that why Cover dares to gamble by hiring her

>>54996258
Watson, Rrat, Bijou and the Twins were all unknowns before Hololive, and some of the big ones like Mumei and Gura didn't manage to translate YT subs to Twitch follows/viewers. Kronii also has a decently big channel but barely got any viewership in her short passage on a micro corp. Mori and Fauna weren't that popular either, with the former barely having many songs over 100k viewers and the latter being a low 3view. IRyS and Nerissa managed to hit the algo with their covers but the former's attempt as a vtuber had the same problems mentioned before, Sana and Ina are big artists but barely got anything on their very sporadic streams as well and Kiara had a channel with around 100k subs but wasn't doing that hot either. NijiEN unironically has people who were bigger than the majority of HoloEN, with Iluna being THE numberfag gen because for some cursed reason people really liked some of those shitters before.

>>54980932
Any chronically /here/ chuuba would be an unironic liability and a walking yab time bomb so its probably best you don’t get in holo. Go shit it up with pippa in phase or some shit

>>54996638
There are many HoloEN members who were /here/ at some point and the bara homo was literally an /asp/ poster.

>>54981696
>joining Holo means you will fly to japan to do some stuff
And that's bad how?
>you'll dance and sing wether you like it or not
Thank God for autotune
>and if you decide to collab with males you'll have to be clear from the start or you'll end up like picrel.
I'm a dood, so no problemo

Bijou was supposed to join idol but received the Hololive email and ditched last minute, she passed both auditions

>>54982730
Makes sense, idol is the best corpo in the market right now only behind Hololive. You're smart, I believe in you and I hope you get in, I would watch your streams

>>54981187
Subscribed

>>54982730
>Now idol
If you can fit into a cunny model, you're in

>>54980932
Vshojo is your best best. Others are 1views that nobody will watch on youtube

>>54981718
Lol good luck joining hololive on the next 10 years

>>54993035
Hololive only cares about talent. If your only talent is that you're riding a wave on some lucky raids on Twitch then you're not getting in. Every hire has at least one specific non-streaming talent which is also what they ask for on their website. You could even say they ask for individuals with at least two talents, because you also need to be able to read where they emphasize that.

>>54996879
If that's true then her luck is absurd considering the timing. I wonder how many times she and the other girls tried for HoloEN after it became very clear that the old EN staff was only giving a fuck about homo auditions during the entirety of 2022.

>>54996038
that's not about doxing retard, if you're interested in the industry you'll just know who these people are
if gura leaves holo to join indie, would you become a doxxer for knowing that she used to be gura?

>>54996879
>Bijou was supposed to join idol
That sounds like a rrat. She was speculated to be part of idolEN2 though.

>>54982730
good luck anon ill be jerking off to your model if you get in

>>54981187
BASED

>>54996967
>idol is the best corpo
≥

>>54998028
Sana, Kronii, and Ame would love this disinfo

Well I saw one indie I know join Idol and she's actually doing really well for herself. At the very least she found her audience that she was completely lacking before.
No idea how well they treat their vtubers though, but at least so far they've not generated and gigayabs.

>>54982730
Post tummy and if it's cute, come to Dubai and I'll open an agency for you. I promise there will be no chest shitting, beatings or live salmon anal involved.
Jokes aside, go for Holo. Niji management is a joke, Idol is fine but they're still very small and I doubt you'd be able to earn a good enough income from them. Vshitshow is not worth it unless you're either a whore or a JP chuuba refugee, and Phase is fishman's autism asylum. Also, link your channel, who knows, maybe some anons will watch and bring your numbers up.

>>54980932
>Is it worth auditioning for an agency other than Holo?
EU need not apply

>>55003357
I'm confident I can pass through the initial filter and most of the interview stages just because I can read and I have a good idea what everybody else is trying. I don't think you even need to be good to get into Hololive, you just need to be one of the few people that are not wrong about their assumptions. Meanwhile everybody else can try and rely on a variety gaming highlight reel and fail without understanding why.

>>54993035
Counterpoint: the dogs, who were nowhere close to as big as their old fans want to make you believe they were.

>>54999918
>good luck anon ill be jerking off to your model if you get in
Ill be doing the same

>>54999918
Sometimes I wonder how those chuubas feels about a bunch of people masturbating over them.

Follow your dreams anon

>>54980932
I'm genuinely not saying this to be mean anon, but unless you have a really established portfolio and a long proven work ethic, I would probably abandon getting into holo and probably also Niji. The problem is, if you DO have those things and you head to any company not listed, you're more than likely overqualified for the gig and would do better on your own.

Honestly, it's pretty bleak but have you seriously considered contributing on the non-talent side of things? there are probably more avenues to holo/niji working in the background that would still accomplish your goal.

>>54980932
audittion for the jews

>>54987863
Nah we have enough EN talents now, 15 people should be enough to last 2 more years, especially with all the Advent-JP collabs.

>>55020381
Doesn't look like Cover will be doing that. They put out HoloEN-exclusive open auditions like a week or two after Advent's channels were created so I think we'll definitely see a fourth gen next fiscal year.

>>55020381
It really depends on mainstream appeal. If Holo EN manages to grab the normalfag market, TV appearances, household brand collabs just like the JP branch, then maybe they'll need way more people.
But even I, as a Holofag, will definitely say the other twitch vtubers are much more "relatable" to the zoomers and dudebro audiences and eventually emerge as the mainstream, at least looking at the current trends. The international market does not appreciate the "Idol" business model, even Kpop made small strides with worldwide promotion campaign for example, like the stupid mcdonalds nuggets. And that took years of building a genre fanbase.

The only sure-fire way Hololive to truly cementing into the normalfag mindshare is music promotion. Music speaks to heart, and as long as it bops, the listeners will eventually search for more Holo content. Better composers, better lyricist, all the EN originals really sound like ESL Japanese songs that just does not cut it. And composers they hire have weak sounding instruments.

>>54986441
Ok, you pass

>>54980932
What's your goal?
If it's:
>Popularity
They you might seek something other than holo, because you having a ton of bots as your fans isn't really rewarding
>Stability and income
Then you might seek something other than holo, because 360$ isn't really much
>Expressing your talents
Then you might seek something other than holo, because otherwise you would be limited as fuck and be doing only what management allows you to do
>A good chance to fuck holo girls
Then holo is a great place for you

>>55022201
What's this kind of seethe?

>>54995356
>why
idk man miko sold like 600k worth of limited merch in 4 minutes and probably a lot more normal once
you can unironically become a millionaire there.

>>54993945
off the top of my head koyori, chloe, iroha were 2views
ame, bae. bejou, fuwamoco and a shit tone of others were 2 3 views
they are preety keen on taking people with low numbers but they do need experiance.

>>54980932
Apply to a small corpo, getting experience is always good.

>>54980932
You should probably start as an indie with a PNG.

>>55021698
> It really depends on mainstream appeal
> TV appearances, household brand collabs
Not in the next decade at LEAST.
HoloJP is mainstream because anime isn't really seen as "cringe" anymore. Holos can do cheers at a major baseball league game IN THE FUCKING STADIUM and be treated as a completely normal occurrence.

Right now normalfags in the west are not yet ready for VTubers. You can already see how much damage they can do to a small VTuber with just a small amount of meme attention in Dacapo's case.
Something like EN Holos cheering at MLB right now will just cause a riot at the stadium, and will likely invite millions of people to shit on them online, thousands of youtube comments, millions of views worth of tiktoks, mainstream news outlets shredding them apart with schizo rrats the likes of which the VTubing industry has never seen before, and the entire fanbase will be SEVERELY outnumbers and outgunned when it comes to narrative control.

The culture of the west is too irony-poisoned for VTubers to be mainstream right now.
In about a decade or two though, the situation would be interesting to see.

>>54982730
Idol only looks good on the surface. If you pay attention everything they do is to appease their investors and people needlessly by making a big deal out of every little thing they do or straight up twisting the words to make something small sound more significant. These are major red flags for me personally. Because the dishonest people will always claim they are honest/transparent, which is exactly what's happening. And if they are dishonest, you never know what goes on behind the scenes.

This and the dirt about their CEO in the past doing the exact same thing to scam investor of their money. People will tell you these are just rrats, but these rrats exist for a reason. You don't see similar rrats with any of the other CEOS from holo, niji, kawaii, phase, prism, and etc. Just idol.

>>54980932
i hope you get in EN 4 bitch :D

>>54980932
Honestly, no.
Look man, if you are in for idol shit and limiting content, go for it. Agencies have become the American Dream for any starting up vtuber, and for a good reason, you are in for success and the time of your life living up to those expectations, but at the end of the day, it's a job. Things aren't always going to be sunshine and rainbows, and the fact that you are here, you know exactly what I mean. Focus on establishing yourself as your own brand, go out there and explore collabing with people, and define a good personality at least for the cameras, shoot yourself to the new market of talent agencies that want or know vtubers like MSM, Mythic, etc, or even small corpos if you wanna continue on with that "dream", the market is no longer a place where Hololive is THE end goal. There's plenty of vtubers that have kept on being established indies with proper management one that doesn't stomp on their content and make more money that some established individuals in certain corporations, and it's all because they know what to see and who to sell.

>>54980932
Good luck getting into hololive troon

>>54980932
Fake it til you make it. Join another corpo for at least a year to provide a boost to your resume. Leave due to "wanting to go in a different direction" and then try reapplying. Also remain yab-free.

>>54980932
male or female
If female then yes, notice how almost NONE of these streamers just popped into existence one day. they started at the bottom and worked their way up. Notice how many streamers have past lives in other corpos? It's a bunch.

If you feel other agencies could be a problem then start indie and shill the fuck out of yourself here and on reddit.
Use this as experience on your resume, and keep applying until the sun burns out.

Why do you need to join a corp? Invest in a model and start as an indie. After a few months you’ll know if streamings for you. If everything works out and you’re a somewhat clean 2-3view, you’ll actually have something to put on your resume, not to mention the skills built during that time.

>>54983721
>I had hopes for holo because I know they hired small creator or people who have never been vtubers in the past.

Numbers and experience are massively important especially if you look at more recent gens. You need to have a couple of years as a consistent three view minimum. If you are looking at how small early Holos were and trying to apply this to their current hiring practices you are frankly delusional and this is not a realistic expecation for you to have. If you're going for the EN branch they skew heavily towards hiring established people with already large channels. Doesn't matter how funny you are they won't hire you without vtubing experience (equivalent content creation experience might count but I wouldn't bank on it).

>>55026373
OP here, I discovered vtubing in 2020 and started being a vtuber in early 2022. I'm paving my way onto 3digit ccv, but It doesn't seem to be working out really well. That's why I considered joining a corpo even before I have what it takes to be in holo, but by reading all this thread I came to the decision that I won't stop pursuing my dream and keep getting better and better to be worth of covers attention.

>>55025902
OP here. I was just thinking that, what if I apply for a corpo and then they make it impossible for me to leave once I get in? For contract stuff and all that, that's my main concern. Idol and Prism are the only ones I can trust now and those were my secondary options, either English or Spanish branch. Being so unaware of how their contracts might work I think I will keep being an Indie.

>>54980932
Just make any sort of content and don't join a corpo unless you've built up a compelling enough CV to use as leverage for a hololive audition. Untile then, focus on refining your talents and getting experience

>>54981042
This is sarcasm right?

>>54981853
Kys vshohoe

>>55023864
OP here, I am already an Indie chuuba.

>>54981187
I don't believe you

>>55030391
Thanks for the honest advice! I know the got huge deals like gura, calli or mumei, but the are also cases like Bijou and Ina. I'm going to keep grinding experience and building up my talents, I think remaining indie is the best for me right now.

>>54980932

>is worth making yearly more than a Doctor, by playing video games for a few hours in front of an audience that you don't have to care about?

What a fucking retard, anyone would kill for a job that allow you to play video games and make more money than a senior engineer, you don't even need to stream the 7 days of the week, you can stream 5 days a week and you already are "working hard" by vtuber standards.

>>54983928
>Anons when vtubers don't have sex with them.
Femanons will fuck the incels off this board. I believe in our sisters.

>>55025731
I see that as a very reasonable option but what if the previous corpo gets in my way and doesn't let me transferr to holo? Too much legal stuff in the middle which we can forsee that's why I'm leaning towards remaining indie and paving the way myself.

>>55033457
Dumbdumb anon I was asking if I should keep aiming for holo or give up/build ccv in another corpo first, or remain indie too.

>>55025602
Thanks anon! (◍•ᴗ•◍)

>>55033619
build ccv as a indie, get into a small/mid size company with a contract that last less than 1-2 years, or a contract where you can buy you way out, keep looking for better opportunities.

I honestly thought you guys were just trash talking Niji for that rivalry but damn I did not expect their reputation to be that bad in just a span of a year and some change.

>>54995718
I mean you all know a lot about vtubing sphere and also are so darn honest, that's why I asked here

>>54980932
Hololive does in fact take ex corpo vtubers whether it’s small or even from nijisanji. Based on those that have talked about their interviews and auditions which is around half maybe more the big things are confidence and goals followed by personality and skills not talent.

Confidence>>goals>skills>personality
Your goals can be anything even just making friends but it needs to be clear. Skills just means something you’re good at and it doesn’t have to be limited to games or idol work, choco and lui do cooking shows for example while Ame’s skill was being tech savvy. Personality is the least important but them finding you interesting does help also interesting doesn’t mean entertaining so you don’t have to worry if you think you aren’t funny. None of that will matter if you aren’t confident though. The 3 most unique audition stories so far are Gura, Lamy, and La+. La+ did the bare minimum asked, Gura showed none of her talents while also opting out of half the audition process, and Lamy was so intense during her interview it was like they were being interviewed by her. It showed great confidence even if they didn’t mean it to.
Kind of rambled on but remember the most important thing is don’t apply if you’re a male go eat a dick

One thing that is a bit confusing is that the auditions page kind of contradicts itself. The main page lists experience as a streamer or content creator was a "welcome skill", meaning not necessary, but if you go to the audition application google form it says "This audition is available to those who fit the following criteria: - You have a proven track record as a content creator (including, but not limited to, gaming, music, and illustration)", implying it's a requirement for even qualifying. I imagine it's not actually a requirement, since Kobo apparently got into Hololive while having no experience at all, but still.

>>54996967
OP here. Is that true? I consider Idol an option not because of their popularity but the fact that I like their talents. I'm not looking to join a corpo because 'I need a job or money' so I'm not desperate in getting in one. I want to join Holo because I love the girls and well, a lot of more stuff, but I think you can understand what I'm talking about.

The small corpos of today will be the future of tomorrow, Phase and idol will unironically start a second golden age of Vtubing just like NijiJP and Hololive did back in the day

You should join Nijisanji, they'll probably end up mass graduating either way but being able to get in is already a big boost when getting out.

>>55036936
You're overselling things but the small corpo scene will definitely see a significant boost from the renewed interest in corporate vtubing in the EN sphere.

>>54980932
That depends really
If you are a 4view that has someone to deal with merch and shit you don't really have a reason to do so and probably can even start your own group
Anything under that can have reasons to join corpos from help with merch and events to just making friends or even wanting to grow their own corpo

>>54996638
Isn't the least problematic Tempus from /asp/?

>>55039407
Tell that to Sayu

>>54982730
Time to start learning Spanish then, their ES auditions just opened

>>54982730
IIRC for idol you need at least 3 months of streaming experience, they'll look at your channel and judge by themselves aside from looking at your audition. I'm pretty sure is the same for most corpos out there so start working on having that portfolio

>>54980932
Absolutely, going from 0-1 to 20-50+ ccv its a significant offer. Adding to that, PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP OVULATE OVULATE OVULATE

>>55023985
Phase's CEO literally the same rat

>>55041738
Kevin's LinkedIn is public

>>54995166
Why does vshojo still have the whore stamp? They just gained that reputation because of melody who everyone was copying in the beginning. Because she was the most popular member then so everyone thought you had to be lewd to be successful

>>54980932
Holo - For the brand
Niji - For the brand but less effective
VShojo - If you don't like being chained up by a manager and you don't have to deal with muh perms shit. But you're not going to join anyways.
The rest - You probably have a shot if you work a bit idk.

>>55040943
Nadie dijo que no hablase español Anon
Spanish femanon sends you hugs (灬º‿º灬)

>>55042008
Half of the members has boyfriends
Melody is a slut for chat
Kson... No idea
Rushia nuff said.

>>55041583
Yeah but I am afraid that contract stuff might end up getting in my way of getting into holo, plus being corpo would like stop me of polishing my own talents and learning things by my own

>>55042425
Just don't sign the contract retard.
Also post tits.

>>55041293
I've been streaming for about two years. I like Idol and their talents so that's why I thought of them as another possibility if holo is too impossible, but I think I'll be happier as an indie than knowing that because I joined another corpo getting into holo turned into 100% impossible due to legal stuff or so.

>>55042425
>plus being corpo would like stop me of polishing my own talents and learning things by my own
I mean that goes for Holo too but regardless of what company you choose youll be put on a freezer for 6 to 12 months with the chances of actually never debuting.

I think you should just DM the holo gen 3 ask how they get in see if they can share anything with you. They can probably give you better advice than any of us fucking retarded in here.

>>55015546
Even when you have great portfolio, don't go Niji. Just be Indie until you make it to Holo

>>55042838
Yea but Holo is my final goal so there's no problem with that. The problem would be having enough potential for joining holo but losing the opportunity to improve my chances just because I decided to join another corpo before.

>>55023905
Anime never considered cringe in Japan since the 00s, anon.
What funny is that the west always act all adult but if you see their news and people bickering on TV it felt like high school cliques fighting each other.

>>54980932
All of the girls in Advent and all of the girls in Council got numberfagged for their auditions. All of them, except for the sisters and Bae (who can speak Japanese), had a significant following as indies. Almost all of them got lucky due to being early adopters.

>>55042369
name one member with a boyfriend

>>54996879
Yeah that was lucky, good for her, anyone could've made it in she had good timing and luck on her side

>>54981187
>woman
>funny
>not a whore
You'll never make it if you can't lie better

>>54982730
i think the biggest red flag for me is how you somehow think you're worth looking at in the first place. what have you done that makes you think you're worth accepting into any of these corpos? have you streamed before? made any content? what's your viewership? you're putting the cart before the horse and i think you have genuine autism

>>54980932
Fuck off, if you're posting here then its already a no

>>54980932
The other corpos literally only exist to give Hololive rejects something to do.

>>54996258
Watson hit 4view right before leaving for hololive.

>>55033287
i don't know anything about Bijou but Ina's PL is not an obscure name at all. She is an incredible and well known artist and that was the most likely factor that got her hired

how much money are you guaranteed if you make it in hololive anyway? it's not like you're guaranteed to make money
go indie believe in yourself

>>55051998
you are guaranteed hundreds of sponsorships so money is definitely not anything you have to worry about

>>55052120
you have nothing to back this up

>>55008751
They became literal 4views before they graduated, I know because I watched them.

>>55023790
Ame hit 4view, so did fuwamoco before moving over.

>koyori, chloe, iroha
They aren't en, this was about en being about metrics.

>>55023790
>and a shit tone of others w
Like who? Fauna? Fauna was a 4view. Everyone in this thread is coping so hard to try and justify their shitty stats and that maybe hololive would take them if they just saw their *potential*.

>>54980932
If you actually like streaming holo should be your last option
There is a cutoff point where having more viewers is detrimental to the experience and hololive flies right over it
Hololive is where you go to get filthy rich doing the minimum which is totally fine if thats your goal I guess

>>54980932
I dunno if you'd care for a more philosophical response but here's my take
I love holo, I think holo is filled with great people and is unusually good at both making good decisions and not making bad decisions, at least compared to other places
I really understand why people would dream about getting into hololive; every single personal story coming out of the holoEN members at least is like "getting into hololive has saved me and given my life purpose" or "I would never give up meeting the friends I've made here or the dreams I've accomplished by becoming part of hololive" and life goals stuff like that
Seeing some of the drama and the way people are from other corpos including the smaller ones, it makes sense why people might only have eyes for holo
And there do exist people like IRyS who were only interested in getting into hololive, only auditioned to hololive, and somehow got it

.....But that said, I think it's really unrealistic to try to have any expectations about getting into hololive, unless you've been making content for years and have at least one thing that has had millions of views (not all ENs satisfy that second one but most do); they don't even hire new talents very often
I honestly think trying to get into hololive is a "passive goal", like either you get accepted or you don't, whereas a more "active goal" is to try to create value in the way that hololive has done in the past in order to create that extraordinary value people see in it now
Which ultimately just means make good decisions, minimize bad decisions and unprofessional stuff as much as possible, be a good person people love and have respect for other people, do your best to make good content and keep that up for years, etc
I think if you have that attitude then it doesn't matter whether or not you make it into hololive; you will offer people the same sort of value and deserve the same level of respect, and if that doesn't win you large viewership then maybe you're having too high expectations about the reality of viewership in the first place

tl;dr It would be nice to get into hololive but don't invest hard into that as your sole goal; just focus on being a good content creator first and foremost

>>55054276
...I was a lot wordier than I wanted to be in this post, I think I just wanted to say something like
>if you're trying to get into hololive hoping to be 'saved' like others who have gotten in, then you have the wrong goal
or
>be the hololive you want to be in life before, or if ever, getting into hololive and if you do get in then that's wonderful (but highly unlikely)

>>55032194
These agencies will have a meeting with you before signing their contacts, you can check the details there

HoloEU
HoloES
Soon

>>55033486
I've watched idol since before EN and their previous talents parted ways in good terms, they can't keep you inside if you decide to do something else and their contracts are of 1 year unlike other corpos where it extends to 2 years or sometimes less than 1 year

>>55040370
The fact you're even aware of her proves my point, there's an entire ocean of indies who would love to be on her place instead of being irrelevant

>>55034921
Popularity aside they treat their talents extremely well when you compare it to other corpos, it might change in the future as they expand but right now management wise and from what they offer it's one of the better places you could end up in, they do a great job getting passionate talents and give them months of interactions before they debut to make sure you'll have a genuine connection with each other after big day, only criticism I can think of is that they're way too ambitious and that could backfire

>>54981187
PLAP PLAP PLAP GET PREGNANT

>>54980932
no

>>54980932
no

>>55052394
That's pretty much everybody's goal in the system we live in.

I LOVE HOLOLIVE
I LOVE BORING IDOLSLOP AND NON-STOP MINECRAFT STREAMS

>114 IPs

You nasty little fucking niggers kek. She only wants me.

>>54980932
>idol
never trust the big noses
>kawaii
they are lacking newcomers right now but be prepare to not get a lot of investment for a while
>phase
you are here for the money, try to bait them as much as you can
>nijien
too many talents
>vshojo
lmao do not unless you are an actual whore
>eien
do not associate with kiki and you will be fine not your future is fucking uncertain
>any other company
if i cant even remember them then dont bother

>>54980932
Ignore all catalog narratives and shitposting. Just like in the real world, apply everywhere and use any offer you get as a counter offer for somewhere else.

>>54985674
This is actually very sound advice.

>>54986183
You clearly weren't around when all of this was exposed by the holo pro shop for a little while. Do your archive reps.

>>55034039
>2%
>Zaion's laundry list termination that was proven to be petty shit
>stealth suspensions
>concert canceled because of "muh Covid"
>multiple graduations in very little time
>still pushing new debuts at an accelerated rate
>still no 3D debuts for member who have been there for over 2 years
Unless you're a massive Niji fan (which is already an extremely questionable thing to be) there's literally no reason to try for it. Even fucking Vshojo is better if you ignore the part that they only hire people with previous clout. NijiEN went from having the best chance against HoloEN to becoming the punchbag of the western scene.

>>54980932
Its good using as a stepping stone

>>54980932
Join an unknown corpo, idolEn members joined the company without knowing it would blow up like it did, their previous CCV for the Hebrew branch was of 30 viewers. If you're lucky it could happen with another up-coming agency and you could become part of that succesful first generation or you'll be trapped in a black/irrelevant corpo for as long as your contract keeps you from graduating

>>55052249
Watson never hit 4view and her highest ccv was years after debuting on Hololive.

>>55033465
>Tfw you screw her and she yells, "Oh, God! Fuck me harder, Milord!"

So let me get this straight: you have little to no streaming experience and you want to get into the largest vtubing company in the world? Did you even think about this for more than 5 seconds? There's literally 50,000 people just like you out there, a shitload of them who actually applied and got denied. At this point, you're too late to ever join hololive. By the time you get a year or two of experience, people before you will have already gotten 2-3 years ahead of you. Your only options now are to go indie and pray that you go viral or join a small corpo and seethe forever that you were too late to join Hololive. The sooner you come to terms with that the sooner you can move on and be happy.

Vtubing never should've gone corporate, indies shall rule once again

>>55089585
retards like this really exist but they don't get that this shit is basically a career that has to go through stages, much like a politician,
you first go Indie, audition and learn as much as you can, then audition to small corpos, become successful there, get followers, secretly try auditioning at Hololive and that's about it

>>54981187
(Most) Women are not funny (except Betty White, she was funny as hell with all the hijinks)
if you say that you're funny, you better be funny and not Amy Schumer kind of cunt

>>55091057
>secretly try auditioning at Hololive and that's about it
That's one way to get yourself screwed depending on the small corpo that hired you.

>>55094499
it's not like she will actually get in

>>54980932
Go to Niji, i'll watch you. Niji not EN

>>55089585
You think what you posted makes sense but they outline what they are interested in. I'm not trying to be mean but doesn't it make more sense to trust them being honest about requirements and plus points than trust you? And to trust their track record of who they end up hiring over your assumptions?

Stop responding to this thread "she" already settled for staying indie

>>54996638
You're wrong and here is why. If you're /here/ and you can maintain composure and keep your content clean and free of racism and sexism then you have the mental fortitude to never yab. Unlike others that only get close to adjacent communities, they actively flirt with being "based" and are enticed by the potential attention. You just assume that anyone /here/ is as bad as the worst anon, but it really just means they know how to be unphased by the worst anons.

>>55098750
If she's not going to try then I'm going to audition instead.

>>55089585
It's like starting a business. Many envision creating the next Google or Facebook, but usually, those who end up building such companies were just passionate about their entrepreneurial ideas and didn't start with the mindset of making it to the Fortune 500.

>>55099293
A company wants to expand their portfolio with talents that can provide experiences that people don't know they want yet. Their auditions are open and they ask about a variety of things besides the basics. Anons give advice as if what they want is another Minecraft streamer. Something doesn't match up here. Sadly it means that you can't rely on anons to give advice, because they're thinking about what they want, not what they don't know they want yet.

Anons can't give good advice to start a Fortune 500 company and they can't give good advice for auditioning to Hololive. It would be nice if you could run ideas by anons, but even that will just tend to receive responses from anons that don't get it yet. At least we can encourage people to take risks and shoot their shot as best they can, instead of inundating them with projected inferiority posting. Winners win in part due to environments conducive to winning.

>>55098750
I'm glad I'm not the only one frustrated by the amount of text in this thread. This is meant to be an image board.

>>55099641
Xers

>>55099561
>we can encourage people to take risks
Many kids that want to become YouTubers/VTubers these days don't realize it's about taking risks in the first place. They don't have an idea what kind of game they are trying to play.

>>55100193
There are many anons that have also given similar generic advice that sounds logical from the perspective of someone that is only on the consumer end. Overall it hasn't helped anyone much. There are /here/ indies that have taken this advice to heart and have not progressed. Anons should try to be supportive instead of useful or a reality check. Let the reality check be the rejection.

>>55098750
I checked this again thinking it would be already archived, it has come to surpise me how many aswers this thread has gotten and I feel an inmense gratitute towards all the people who spent some of their time answering my doubts. I might use this as my last reply to my thread and answer some various things and give more context.

>>55098750
I am going to remain indie and keep trying to get into holo, I do not trust any companies atm and honestly I feel more like focusing on my indie stuff and the goals I have settled for improving as a chuuba.

>>55094499
Avoided answering it since I felt it was unnecesary, the amount of people who commented something of this kind was minimun compared of the ones who actually just answered the question or wished me luck. So to summarize, no its not like I think I am any kind of godly being superior enough to call myself "too good for any other corpo than Holo" or saying that its not worth auditioning to any of them. My desire to join Hololive its not tied to just streaming or liking their talents, I like everything that they promote, and I dont see it at just a mean of accomplishing "economic stability" or "being popular", what I think of Hololive is more of a very deep and emotional bound and I am not trying to sound chessy nor dumb or delusional, it is just what it is.
And if I just went around saying oh no Holo would never hire me I have nothing to bring to the table thats what would make me a completely no-no for them. I do not consider myself delusional as I acknowledge my flaws and been working on getting better.

>>55089585
And last, I know that anon, I know how fierce the competition is and I am ready to face the reality of maybe never getting accepted, but for long as I can I will keep trying and looking into my past auditions to determine what did I do wrong or what did the rest do better. I will remain and indie for now, until maybe I feel the same for another company.

PS: if you really did read all of this, thanks! take care drink water and love your oshi.

>>55100470
I do not see what all anons said here as the ultimate advice and the key to success. I mostly came here to search for more opinions and talk about the matter a little. After all, all this talk helped me realize some stuff and cleared my mind, its not like I can talk about this kind of concerns with the people who watches me because they are not there to see me trauma dump, I am their entertainer.

Sooo yup I wont go into detail about how I plan to do my audition videos and so but you helped me a lot! Even if they were many anons who didnt agree on some stuff its just a matter of gathering opinions

>>55100787
>I like everything that they promote
I appreciate this mindset from the fan's perspective and I have it when I see talents joining corpos without being aligned with their established culture. It doesn't have to be just Hololive, but even one of the smaller corpos.

>>55100787
>I like everything that they promote
I appreciate this mindset from the fan's perspective and I hate it when I see talents joining corpos without being aligned with their established culture. It doesn't have to be just Hololive, but even one of the smaller corpos.

>>55100787
>>55101081
Good luck, and remember that many holomems have said they tried applying for Holo for a long time until they got accepted. Never give up and keep improving, looking forward to supporting you without even knowing its you in the future

>>55101081
Even if you don't plan to join small corpos try sending auditions their way, some of them will give you feedback and once you notice you're getting to the interview phase more often you'll know you're getting better

>>54980932
>Is it worth auditioning for an agency other than Holo?
If youre a 1view your better off going for a small corpo

>>54980932
Luna was before joining Hololive in her PL with Nijisanji.
You can't rule that out, but you have to make a good case for yourself.

I would not recommend ever joining Nijisanji. I assume you are an indie tuber too to atleast have some experience. Go hit up Sayu and ask her about her time at Nijisanji. Hell I bet if you are a high 2view you can go around ask ex black corp members or even get private anecdotes from the PL of current members.

Joining Hololive does seem like an instant big vtuber button but its not the only one of its type. Phase and Idol seem to have reached a similar effect with different degrees but smaller to Hololive and their support and management looks decent.

Lumi from Phase is an example, after joining PC her numbers doubled and she cruising.
Roca PL Chapipi from Idol is doing very well. Talented singer, no idea why she didnt get into HoloEN. As Chapipi she couldnt even hold more than 50 viewers. Now it is easy 1k viewers.

>>55104922
>no idea why she didnt get into HoloEN
My guess is she hasn't tried. She is an incredibly talented singer and I can't imagine the Cover committee refusing her. If it wasn't for FWMC I would say that Idol managed to assemble a better gen than Hololive. They hit the jackpot with FWMC though.

>>54980932
>My life purpose is to be in Hololive someday
Then you wont ever be able to join. If you stream to become famous or join a #1 huge corpo in this overstaurated market and not to have fun with your audience then your streams will be shit, audience will notice this and nobody will watch you.

>>55104922
Looking at the timeline Idol just got to her first. The auditions reminded in February was likely the first time Cover started seriously looking for new girls for HoloEN and that happened around a month and a half after the new director took control of the branch and he probably used that time to clean the house after the 2+ years of Omega's retardation. Meanwhile IdolEN2 auditions started on December 31st/January 1st and Roca herself said Idol scouted her and she likely didn't have any hopes that HoloEN would have a new gen anytime soon like literally everyone else so she took the offer.

>>55105212
I will hold my judgement until I actually see what advent brings to the table.

Shiorin looks great. I already got used to her.
FWMC are really good gamers but I dont think as zatsudan entertainers strong yet.
I want to hear Narissa live. But I don't think she as as good of a singer as Roca or Enna.
Bijou is like ENs Luna. And I think alrdy better than most of the cute lolis IdolEN has and they have a lot. Riro, Pochi, Fuyo, Momo. I think they are all weaker than Bijou. I had high hopes for Poko to be something like Yuko but she was kinda disappointing for having that well designed model

But yeah, she must have not tried. I would not believe that Hololive would have said no.

>>55105757
>Roca herself said Idol scouted her and she likely didn't have any hopes that HoloEN would have a new gen anytime soon like literally everyone else so she took the offer.

That would be so stupid that she undervalues herself that much. Must have been some baggage from her old corpo if true.

As for the other case of her missing the window, what is the precedent for her jumping the idol ship right after joining if she applied for HoloEN during their recruitment?
I know that I did that for work early on in my life because they cant hold you at the company no matter what. Quitting one company to join another just after starting there is almost normal where I come from and in the field I work desu.
NDAs shouldn't apply to her either, she is a dutchy.

>>55105940
>Riro, Pochi, Fuyo, Momo. I think they are all weaker than Bijou.
I was talking about IdolEN2. Some rumors say that Momo actually took the spot after Bijou who was accepted to Idol too, but backed off last minute after getting into hololive. Momo is far less experienced, but she has a lot of potential to grow. Besides being a generally capable person, she has the sort of humility that's more common among JP chubas and it already helped to win the heart of many viewers.

>>55106125
>Quitting one company to join another just after starting there is almost normal where I come from and in the field I work desu.
Do you come from Japan? It not, such experience is not applicable.

>>55105940
>FWMC are really good gamers but I dont think as zatsudan entertainers strong yet.
Are Korone or Pekora known to be great at zatsudan?

>>55106125
It's not a matter of undervaluing herself because after 8 homos in less than 6 months the entire western scene didn't have any hopes that a new HoloEN gen would be coming anytime soon. Hell, a bunch of people all over the internet believed the auditions announcement of May was when Cover finally started looking for new girls but now we know it's actually for future gens because the third one was already done by then. It's just an extremely unfortunate timing of hers influenced by Cover's/the EN staff (mostly Omega's) retarded decisions of 2022. Thankfully it doesn't look like it'll take an absurd amount of time for an EN4 so if she's inclined to try again she might have a better chance now that she has much more visibility as Roca compared to her time as Chapipi

Small corpos is fine. Niji is not. You'd be too well known as the niji. It's like actors getting typecasted once they're known for a certain role. Rosemi is forever stuck as Rosemi.

>>55106905
I wonder if anyone internally evaluated the huge opportunity cost of this StarsEN venture. It reminds me of MSFT buying NOK.

>>55106834
>Are Korone or Pekora known to be great at zatsudan?
are you some kinda newfag?

>>55107108
Cover likely saw Luxiem getting numbers and was convinced it was the time to get their own answer for it even if their success was much more nuanced than just "male vtuber popular". Now why they didn't debut an EN3 around that time as well will forever be a mystery but considering how the new auditions form is HoloEN-exclusive, how the Stars branch is experiencing a downsizing in both JP and EN and the possibility of two of their best performing members getting canned because of a potential breach of contract it's likely that Cover is going back on all the decisions they took in 2022 for the EN branch.

>>55036936
a second covid lockdown wont happen and holoen only succeded because holojp build up a strong enough audiance to get 100k ccv before en existed.

>>55052394
>filthy rich doing the minimum
you dont know shit about hololive

>>55108375
>t. person that doesnt know shit about hololive

>>55100787
narissa is a raging kfp and she made it so good luck to you

>>55108411
holos work the hardest in the industry and its not even close

>>55108411
>t. seething nijinig who's mad that their EN branch is falling apart.

>>55108506
Now thats funny
>>55108539
rent?

>>55052394
Nijisanji is where you go to get filthy rich doing the minimum (as the owner; not the livers).

If you want to help Riku get his 10th yacht then by all means join Nijisanji.

>>55110001
>company that isnt hololive
>first thing that comes to your mind is niji
rent status

>>55109632
>>55110082
Nijinigs can't stop thinking about Hololive but the moment you shit on Anykuro they have the same exact standard reply.

>>54980932
My advice to you:

Build an indie career as a singer if you can sing
Make a meme-ey channel with skits using a 2D avatar if you can entertain
Be an indie vtuber and keep grinding.

As an Indie, all you need is grind hard enough with cantent. You will be a 4 view who's able to support yourself or be stuck as a 2 or 3 view and get savioured by Holo.

If you decide to take the singer or meme lord path, upload skits or covers that would go virals and rake millions of views somewhat consistently. Once you audition, you'll get a considerable portfolio like other holoEN senpais before you.

If you are an Indonesian or fluent in the language, all this advice does not matter. The market is untapped and HoloID management will pick anyone from an indie youtube singer, a small time local idol to nobodies without any content creation experience. Just showcase your talent and apply to HoloID and let their management decide your fate.

>>54996026
>Idol has about 2k other girls in their audition waiting list
if it's anything remotely like the replies to every one of their tweets about auditions, AT LEAST half of that 2k are homos who don't know how to read the application or the room

>>54981187

>>54993035
>dogs
>ame
>kronii
>mumei
>bae
>not 1/2 views
Why do niji bots come up with such retarded takes?

>>54981187

>>54981042
Twitch dramas are indeed funny. But Vshojo talents are not funny.

>>54985430
Well yes if the voices in your head are telling you that it would seem that way

>>54981187
Audibly kekd

>>54982730
Why are idiots like you taking lessons on skillsets that Holo has show less interest in? You are debuffing your chances severely.
They stopped being too interested in that after Gen4, where 3/5 had good music skill sets + Luna's piano.
And then:
- Myth at debut featured 2/5 (rapper and idol).
- Gen5 had 2/5 (utaite and idol)
- Council 0/5.
- holoX 2/5 (utaite x2)
- Advent 1/5

TEMPUS had just Axel. ID had only Risu, Moona and then they didn't go for singers at all.

Candidates: focus on providing AGGREGATE VALUE to the branch you are auditioning for. Bring new shit to the table.

>>55042572
I doubt Holo would have a clause to prevent you from joining if you were part of a small corpo, but I cannot say for sure
However the small corpo may have a clause preventing you from joining another company (read: Holo), so take that into consideration
Good luck im rooting for you

>>54980932
Hololive if you think you are hot shit and you can pass the auditions with 10 bajillion gorillion people per vtuber model.
Phase Connect if you enjoy being in a mental asylum and like Pippa.
VShojo if you have connections with their members, because getting into VShojo without nepotism is nigh impossible.
Nijisanji if you hate yourself.

>>55034921
What is true is that both Phase and Idol have interns astroturfing here fishing for talents.
I asked for good Rin Penrose stream clips many times in the idol general and never got a decent response.

Yes. Despite what catalogfags will tell you being in a corporation is a good thing most of the time. Even being in nijisanji guarantees you at least 3views and a lot of opportunities to make money alongside 3d and convention appearances.
Personally I would advise staying away from prism since Sonys takeover has resulted in just about nothing happening for the longest time and the talent are not really much better than indies

Vshojo unironically has the best contract out of any corp but it's only hires are those who are long time orbiters and ex-hololive members from Japan. IDOL seems pretty much like PC but without attaching itself someone who spent two years trying to appeal to right wing figures only to ditch them for reaction content

Ignore people praising Pippa in this thread, they're all underage SEA people

>>55115391
>they're all underage SEA people
Suck my grown-up eastern european dick

>>55033287
Ina is a massively known artist, femanon. We haven't figured out who Bijou's past life is but odds are she had a decent following as well.

>>55112681
NTA but you're confusing character branding or focus with whether some serious level of the skill is present. All but one of Advent can sing and released a song on debut (4/5), but the one that can't sing can play piano (5/5). Having multiple skills besides your main one is not going to hurt your chances.

>>54980932
>but as far as I am aware none of them were corpo vtubers.
Well then you're wrong, 2 of Council and 2 of HoloX were part of a small corpo before. Just pick one with a good enough reputation that wont look too bad for Cover to check you out, so best to avoid Nijisanji and Vshojo. Can't say much of Phase or Kawaii but Idol's don't have much bad reputation yet besides being annoying with their shilling.

>>55117694
To be fair any discussion on this board that isn't about Niji or Holo is considered "shilling"

>>55115830
I hope you're enjoying endless reaction content while doxxing people on kiwifarms you colossal faggot

>>55117694
I consider Hololive and Nijisanji presenting their mediocre talents as if they were God's gift to men, the ultimate cuck shills. This board is made up of shilling.
t. JP vsinger indie enjoyer

>>55112959
OP decided to stay indie anyway. The reason you are not getting the answers in the general is that most of the fans of other girls in Idol are CGDCT enjoyers and they don't usually watch Rin (because she's a male-collaber). She has a separate fanbase from the rest.

>>55120012
Okay VSinger shill

>>55122061
And proud of it

>>55120012
>t. connor
Just as having talent does not make one successful, having success does not make one talented.

>>55120012
It's like classical showbiz. The most popular are not the most talented.

>>55069995
Pixelinkbros...

>>55124003
Isn't that the agency that has those girls on a 2 year contract? That seems excessive

>>55124796
Also their fanbase is rather small.

>>54980932
>thwy wouldnt hire someone who was in another corpo before
>Luna
>Porka
>Bau Wau
Just use those corpos as stepping stone or something, worst case scenario you graduated but ends up with a decent following as an indie unless you severely fucks up like Meiro, best case scenario you either get a career secured in said corpo, and have enough to put in your resume should you want to apply for Hololive

>>54980932
Apply to WACTOR

>>55125291
They are High2-Low3 view, which is great for a small corpo that just spawned. As a streaming agency, being able to guarantee that you can get 50+ people right out of the bat for your talent is a nice selling point.

>>55116172
They did figure it out, she was a streamer who i saw had like 13k and partnered- not dropping the name - it was in earlier predictions before en3 came out though

>>55122061
How do you shill vsingers if they're indies