/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>5532302
all i can think about is that only a relatively small chunk of that goes to Coco directly. Youtube takes almost half of it outright.

>>5533383
this. should at least be donating to kson

>>5533383
I think the cut is 35-40%
Unless I'm a dumb fag that needs to rest his head already.

>>5533383
I think it doesn’t matter that much, it’s symbolic. We are choosing to support Coco in her current venture, even if it has its downsides. When she graduates we sure as fuck should be donating to KSon. Right now I like to think she’s quite happy with donations to Coco’s channel.

Is this how this TL shit is supposed to work?

>>5533383
>YouTube gets 30% first
>Holo then gets 50%
>Chuuba gets remaining 30-35%
>Tax JP ???
Fuckin hell.

>>5533383
You say that, but she wouldn't be as big without Hololive and she would have no platform without youtube. It sucks, but it's not so unfair. A 3 way split of the profit seems reasonable, though it fucking stings considering how trash Youtube can be and how much Cover fucked up with her.

>>5533455
Youtube and Cover most likely give Coco and Rushia better cuts just like how any monetized platforms treat their top performing clients.

>>5532302
Agreed, she is too successful. She needs to be brought down.

>>5533950
>LARPing as Zhang

>>5532302
this confirm they will do a 360° in her graduation and everything in kayfabe

>>5533911
>Youtube
>giving a shit
Lol
Cover might do that but we never heard from the girls mentioning that so it's not likely

>>5533911
YouTube doesn't, but cover might. We don't know the details that goes on behind the scenes, so there's no way to be sure, but it certainly sounds like something they might do

>>5532302
>these fucking idiots giving 50% to Cover instead of 100% directly to her roommate
you people are idiots.

>>5533812
>YouTube gets 30% first
>Holo then gets 50%
>Chuuba gets remaining 30-35%
Anonchama your % reps...

>>5534079
Unless you can point us to her streamlabs or paypal she will never be getting 100%

>>5533950
I’m on it

>>5534106
More than she gets with fucking Cover who are graduating her

>>5534079
>giving a shit about Cover at all
They can choke on the money for all I care lol

>>5534096
100-30=70
70/2=35
That's what they would get in this scenario... what don't you get?

>>5534106
>paypal
>100%
Hahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahhaahhaahahh
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahhaahhahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>5532302
Let's be honest here, she easily made over a million $ during her Hololive episode. She can easily live off those money and never need to work ever again.

>>5534096
Anonchama do your math reps.
>$100 - YT gets a 30% cut = $70
>$70 - Holo takes 50% of remaining revenue
>$35 - roughly 30-35% for chuuba

>>5534106
I'll wait for roommate merch if ever.

>>5534189
>Never work again with 1 (one) million
I mean sure but how low are your standards of living?

>>5534189
You need much more than 1m to never work again sorry to burst your bubble anon

>>5534252
>>5534287
He lives in a 3rd world country, purisu andastand.

>>5534189
>1 mil in Tokyo, an expensive as fuck city
yeah that will last a few years or so with no income.

>>5532302
Proves she wasn't fired since clearly hololive wouldnt be making costumes for someone about to graduate if that was their plan

>>5534454
She mentioned this one was in the works for a while now.

>>5534454
https://twitter.com/MegaJujube/status/1407719283547725832
That was supposed to be her 1million subs outfit but the artist and rigger rushed through with it to get it done before graduation

>>5534454
Yes. Gibara will stream anytime now...

>>5533637
I think there's a toggle to not show mods.

>>5534039
I thought Lamy mentioned before (while drunk) that Coco gets a more favorable cut

>>5534595
Oh so that's what those are? Thanks.

it's just amazing people are giving Cover money after knowing they are the ones graduating Coco. Literal cuck shit.

>>5534189
Living in Japan is expensive

>>5534189
>1 mil in supacha
>30% youtube tax, 700k left
>50% cover tax, 350k left
>50% income tax. 175k left
She literally can't live off 175k, which is a paltry amount of money in a city like Tokyo. That's barely above 1 year salary for expensive spots.

>>5534454
>Proves she wasn't fired
they are going to cancel the graduation in the last very minute mark my words


objective reached they milked her fanbase to the last penny

>>5534155
>>5534191
ESL chama, without prior knowledge you would not assume 50% after 30% would be 35%. Most people would add 50 and 30 because why would you make the person reading do math instead of summarizing information properly

>>5534766
Including tax in these is colossally stupid, everyone pays tax and you're typically comparing a salary to this.

$350k supa money + memberships + ads + promotions + merch + some notional salary amount

No way that's under half a mil, even with additional expenses like whatever they contribute to merch/models/etc

>>5534766
don't forget membership money and sales Plug-in type AsaCoco. She didn't get rich but she can hold out for aquite a while with a neet lifestyle

The cover cuts aren't really a secret.
Many of their recruiters directly contacted indies to get them to tryout as well as disclosed payment information that was not even covered by an NDA.

>>5535493
She has to get a job to live in Tokyo, 1 year of holo is nothing.

>>5535558
What the fuck is 20% Japan meant to mean

>>5535622
Japan takes 20% for non-citizens so Coco and HoloEN are basically getting double taxed

>>5534766
She made like 2.5 million is SC. Probably about a million of that went to her. Also add memberships and other shit.

>>5535601
Tokyo is expensive, yes, but if you're just a NEET it's not like you're burning through 10M yen per year. Rent is your biggest expense, followed by food, so where you live in Tokyo matters a lot too.

>>5535774
you can't live for 60 years off 200k in the bank.

>>5534252
>>5534287
>>5534350

Faggots just invest that 1 million. Don't even need to do this yourself investment funds exist for a reason.

>>5535794
I agree, but also nobody said that.
I am not >>5535493 and I don't think she has half a million. Your $200K estimate is pretty reasonable.

However, the comment in >>5534766:
>She literally can't live off 175k, which is a paltry amount of money in a city like Tokyo.
This is just fucking stupid.

>>5535720
That's not how percentages work... they'd be taking 20% off after Google and their own cut since that 20% is the amount of income the talent should actually be receiving

oh no no no no hahahaha

>>5535720
Pretty sure America and japan has a tax agreement so I don’t think you can be double taxed.

>>5535794
She has 4x that easily. Probably more. And her other channel will be getting good money too. Without Cover cuts.

>>5536023
You were not supposed to show that...

>>5536023
wow she's literally going to starve! poor girl...

>>5536023
Fucking hilarious.

>>5535794
>200k
She made at least 800k- 1 million after taxes with superchats alone and that doesn't even include her 15k+ memberships or merch, someone already tracked the site that sells her goods and it's already at 1 million dollars, that's just her jacket/acrylic stand/goods since her announcement and remember holos keep a bigger share of merch since youtube isn't involved.

>>5536023
I really want to understand the bugman mindset. What exactly did they hope to accomplish when they made coco graduate? Did they really think 1million people would just go "oh well" and completely forget about her?

>>5536023
Imagine being a Coco hater.

>>5536120
she has to live over half a century in Tokyo, she needs a job

>>5536141
Even when you """win""" you still lose.

>>5536149
Yeah, she can stream on her other account and keep saving up money.

>>5536149
Stop posting retard holy fuck. She can put that 800k $ in a mutual fund and will never need to work ever again. Do you really think this kind of money just sits in bank doing shit? Hell she could just buy some flats in Tokyo and rent them.

>>5536206
50 years in the most expensive Japanese city is not cheap btw, and maybe she doesn't want to live off ramen

>>5536237
Nobody is forcing her to live in the most expensive parts of Tokyo idiot. Just move to a cheaper area. She's a fucking NEET anyways.

>>5536237
>maybe she doesn't want to live off ramen
wrong motherfucker

>casually buys a $9000 bed (during her first few months in hololive)
>buys phones and tablets and other shit for her friends left and right
>s-she makes n-no money! S-she will d-die without Coco!
Sure thing Zhang

>>5536369
Now she has to live like a NEET because she's losing a huge income source. No, her roommate won't make nearly as much.

>>5536206
>>5536237
>>5536280
>>5536286
This conversation is pointless because it's not like she'll suddenly stop earning money, she'll keep streaming on her other account and she has memberships there, she probably already has between 1k and 2k memberships.

>>5536369
Quite a few of them went from living with their parents to buying a house for themselves. This hololive business doesn't seem too bad.

>>5536023
CHANGS DON’T LOOK

People are also assuming she won't just go back to her old youtube channel, take a month off to get a new 2D built (assuming she didn't do this anyway when she decided to quit Hololive).

>>5535122
That doesn't make it wrong math.

>>5536369
I will sodomize the bache

>>5536023
Worse than the rape of Nanking

>>5536018
The original poster worded it poorly
the way I Imagine it works is
Example 100$
30% directly goes to youtube so 70$ remains
Paypal takes 2.5% of the total sum as a vendor fee since they don't give a shit how its divided.
so Talent gets 67.5%

Cover takes 15% of whatever the talent makes before tax so talent is left with 57.375

Then that income is taxed both by 20% foreigner tax as well as local taxes assuming Coco is in the highest bracket this is around 40% which + the 20% means her personal income is being taxed 60% so Coco is taking 22.95

>>5536029
They do get double taxed unfortunately.

>>5536617
>They do get double taxed unfortunately.
Assuming she's still paying the IRS
>To avoid double taxation on Americans living abroad, the IRS gives them a choice: Deduct their foreign taxes on Schedule A, like other common deductions. Use Form 1116 to claim the Foreign Tax Credit (FTC) and subtract the taxes they paid to another country from whatever they owe the IRS.
So burgers paying JP income tax will only pay US income tax on their post-JP-tax income, not the whole thing. Paying Cover, YouTube, etc. can also be expensed. She's paying less in taxes than you think. and nothing is stopping her from not paying the IRS

>>5536429
for how long? do people give a shit about makeup tutorials?

>>5534079
Shut the fuck up. Yagoo literally boast about how much money the girls make. That's proof enough that superchats have way more value than you faggots think.

>>5536852
>Yagoo said
you mean the faggot graduating Coco and taking most of her money?

>>5536770
Well, you have to consider that she's been dedicating her entire energy into Coco, her roommate was a place where she went to stream when she needed to chill.
She'll never drop the make up streams and zatsudans since those are made for her female audience but i'm sure she'll start streaming more games after July 1st, remember that she's been streaming since 2016, for some of her fans this won't be that much of a change.

>>5536369
buying expensive crap doesn't mean that you are rich, you might just be really fucking dumb
that's why most people have iPhones

>>5534189
poorfag?
try living in Japan first

>>5536023
Chang and his friends are shaking.

>>5535811
and make 1% per year instead of enjoying the money?

>>5536954
she will go back to indie tier viewers cause most people dont give a shit about makeup. so she'll need a proper job. that or move out of Tokyo and live like a NEET.

>>5536766
Sorry I didn't make myself clear, Double taxed as in forced to pay both the local taxes as well as the foreigner tax. I doubt she's paying the IRS anything either.

>>5536770
considering one of the reasons for her breakup with cover was due to crreative differences, theres a good chance she'll dedicate time toward making original content there. im sure this wont be it, but an example is Id love an asacoco style show that covers the whole vTuber industry

>>5537053
she prob can't even talk about cover cause she prob signed a NDA, after she quits she can't mention them

>>5537038
Screaming into the void what you want to happen won't make it a reality.
Roru roru rumao
Her last youtube stream has over 1.2 million views.

>>5537038
why the hell are idiots worrying about numbers? Who fucking cares
Why letting her enjoy freedom at all

>>5535811
Don't even need to invest it. You could sell SPX options all day. Super safe passive income.

>>5537091
anon, she can't live like Rushia anymore cause of the income loss, that's the issue.

>>5537128
I'm sure she is devastated.

>>5536163
The ultimate dub. Not even Cover can look away from this. Welp, can't wait for the anticompetitor clauses to be forced upon the Talents contracts. LMAO.

>>5537124
imagine trading outside NA

>>5537152
Well she has to move out of Tokyo for sure, you can't live off a bit of interest in a very expensive city.

>>5536870
Rrat eater spotted.

>>5537128
She's made between 1.5 to 2 million dollars and is an actual hikki who doesn't spend much money at all, her living conditions won't change, hell the only reason she bought that 9k bed was because her fans found out she was sleeping on a fouton and they superchatted her the money to buy it, she was actually forced to buy the bed.
As i said, she has memberships on her other account, if she can have 2k of them that's already 6000$ monthly after youtube cut/taxes and that doesn't even take into account superchats.
Anyway, she said that she wants to make something big to make yagoo proud so i'm pretty sure she'll start her own small vtuber group kinda like Tamaki did, if she fails she can always return to hololive in a year or 2 since she's leaving the door open to a return and keeps saying how much she still loves hololive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGtOybxXWt8

>>5537298
>if she fails she can always return to hololive in a year or 2 since she's leaving the door open to a return and keeps saying how much she still loves hololive.
>buying the official rrat
Shit would have to go incredibly sideways for both Coco and/or Hololive for this to actually happen.
Shit goes sideways for Cover: they beg her to come back, free reign.
Shit goes sideways for her: I don't think she'd go back. She'd go to Niji or VS before that.

>>5537390
She said she was never going to join any other agency that wasn't hololive.
Cover is clearly sending her off with as much good faith as possible, they made 2 costumes for her in her last 2 and a half months.
The worst-case scenario for her is returning to hololive because she couldn't grow her own project, but not being able to return is out of the question, Cover has no reason to refuse her return if she agrees to their content restrictions, they already left the chink market after all.

>>5537028
You mean 20-30%.

>>5535011
You are retarded anon

>>5536770
Considering even Aloe is still making money on saviorfags? She's 100% safe.

>>5537501
where?

>>5537028
She will make much more than that with proper investment, up to 15% income growth per year
>5537501

>>5537501
tell the secret anon, which is not fucking burger trading

>>5537578
sure lol

>>5536602
>sticking it in that dirty 617ch
are you trying to have it fall off?

>>5536403
>Now she has to live like a NEET
You don’t seem to know much about how most of the Holos live, do you? Not even has to, they’ve already been living like that for years.

>>5534189
Sure if you're 90 years old

If you haven't saved up at least 2 million by 50, you fucked up

Anons here think tokyo is california or something? Coco can easily live by just streaming and her saved up money comfortably until she dies

>>5538311
>need to save 15k annually, assume a recurring 10% rate of return, and not account for inflation
The vast majority are NGMI

>>5538599
she could be phase connect owner and here you are thinking she is going to sit on her hands until she dies.

>>5536023
no nO NO NO IT ISN'T FAIR SHE WAS sUPPOSED TO BE GONE
WE WON
WE FUCKING WON洋鬼子WHORE

>>5534189
Are you underaged?

>>5537298
Her fans giving money for a bed didn't mean she had to buy a $9k bed, where do you even buy a bed that's over 3k?

>>5540168
It's a 6k simmon mattress and if you add up all the other stuff it goes to 9k.
It's not that uncommon, Tamaki once visited a popular mangaka and he had a 10k bed.

>>5537298
do you realize 1-2 mil in a city like HK or Tokyo is fucking poverty?

>>5540250
imagine thinking a $6000 mattress is better than a $200 mattress. this is why some people deserve to be poor.

Her onesie is great, it reminds me of club penguin

>>5540316
She was sleeping on a futon on the floor before so she clearly doesn't care about that stuff.
If my fans send me money to buy something the least i can do is buy it, keeping the money and not using it for the reason i get it would be wrong.

>>5540277
>200 million yen
>poverty
anon?

>>5540250
THE SIMBA HYBRID® LUXE MATTRESS in super king size with SLEEP BUNDLE UPGRADE, which looks like the most expensive one with all the sheets and shit included in the largest size, from a cursory search is £1,539 (or 2,148.29 in freedom money). Even with shipping fees, different costs in different countries, and whatever else it seems like a stretch to get it to $6,000.

>>5540617
it's very expensive, she can't live off that for half a decade or more

>>5540646
https://youtu.be/ClcKM1z6Qik?t=222

>>5540277
This honestly might last at most 10 years if you managed to be wise with your spending

>>5540679
*century, I mean

>>5532302
suffocating you mean

>>5532302
drowning in superchats is a good way to go for her

>>5534115
>airsoft

>>5537265
>She has to move out of Tokyo.
The Para-social relationship you have with Coco is just that. You are not privy to the financial situation that she has nor her habits. You can only make speculation based on other speculations and what little information she has given.

SHE is a grown ass woman that can make big girl decisions.

YOU. Need. To. Go. >>/out/side.

>>5542401

This but also ignore everything else, look at roommate channel even before HL. 500k subs for a monetizable membership supported channel is absolutely enough to support a decent lifestyle. Everyone is baselining this on the real or perceived holobucks, Hololive numbers etc etc but she can demonstrably support herself even without it and has an established fanbase on two monetizable platforms (even if mildom sucks ass)

None of us can say what is coming next but the pizza lady is going to continue streaming, we know that much

>>5533455
The official cut is 35% although they can negotiate better rates, Coco however get's fucking bad since she has to pay income taxes as a foreigner so in the end she probably makes like 20%

>>5534189
Dude, no. learn to economy.
23 million is the real "never have to work" number.

>>5540679
>>5540801
Do you not know what investment funds are anon?

>>5532302
What the fuck, she's drowning.

i'm still in the denial stage
it feels like trying to say goodbye to a family member dying in the hospital

>>5535601
She need a fake company so she can rent apartment.

You will hear a story about Noel and Rushia not legit to have a Credit Card or Suisei/Coco/Kanata can't rent most of the apartment because Chuuba/Youtuber is not a legit jobs

Pewdiepie also lives in Japan once and also unable to normally rent some apartment even he's the most profit Youtuber of that time.

>>5533455
That's an insane cut. Wouldn't it have been a better business decision to use Twitch and have donations go through PayPal? They seem to take 30 cents + 2.9% (unless I've been reading outdated info).

>>5535122
I think you're just a brainlet. It was very obvious the 50% was in reference to the post youtube cut amount. You tried to nitpick but just ended up looking retarded.

Lordy, the rumao cope in this thread is sad.
>She might be a famous millionaire, b-but...

>>5532302
imagine giving a cent to Reddit dragon

>>5562068
Imagine being a nijinigger

>>5534766
>>5535542
>>5536237
Why does she need to be a NEET for 50 years when she can just build her own brand as "not-Coco" and keep chuubing? She has an autistic fanbase of followers so she could easily keep this up with a new persona, Cover can't stop her after she leaves and no one gives a fuck about zhangs.

>>5562068
>Cent
Try 2k+
Good thing i stopped giving Cover their cut 9 months ago, if you get my meaning.

>>5533383
Buy her merch instead to cut Google out of the equation.

>>5562068
Just for that I'm buying two pins instead of one.

>>5562068
i prefer her white sea urchin reincarnation.

https://twitter.com/kiryucoco/status/1407940945601994752

>>5563260
Can you buy one for me

>>5534184
PayPal can be 0 fees if you're not in a shithole

>>5563757
why the fuck is she praising the guy who made her life shit for 9 months with restrictions and blacklisting?

holy fuck that NDA must be a good one.

>>5568341
Normally I wouldn't defend Yagoo, but there are other directors than him, being the CEO doesn't make you the absolute boss, considering that Yagoo and Coco's relationship didn't change I'm sure the actual cancer is that director's board

>>5568646
He is the fucking CEO, he can tell all the meaningless middle managers what to do.

>>5568341
While I don't think that is the case, it could be passive aggressiveness with her?

>>5568662
You don't know how companies work right? Other directors and investors can literally fire Yagoo if they want if they are majority, there type of decisions are made by votation because her roots were the China drama and Zhangs spamming her

>>5568341
Hmm, maybe because that's headcanon?

>>5568662
He can, but there's also internal company politics and power games, etc.
As a CEO he would also be stepping beyond his role if he'd directly make lower level decisions, rather than make the overall high level decisions.
Its a bit hard to say what he should have done or if he should have done something and I've only experienced bigger companies, anyways.

>>5568341
Despite making up 13% of Hololive, Coco is responsible for 50% of the controversies

>>5568341
>made her life shit
Saved her life*

no.

asdfélkasjdflkasjdélkf

>>5570619
Good. Coco is the reason Taiwan is now a hololive ally. Now kneel, falsflagging faggot.

>>5570619
Hololives popularity is all thanks to Coco and taiwan controversy. Thanks Zhang.

>>5574100
No
Taiwans popularity is thanks to Coco

>>5540679
>>5540277
Holy fuck you people really are completely retarded.

>>5534454