/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>57062703
Mental illness

>>57062703
Did what? Fuck Ame?

>>57062703
Srly, we have a lot of rrats about Vesper, but what are the rrats about this one ?

>>57062703
model so ugly he wanted to leave forever

>>57065967
This RM makes more money. It doesn't get simplier than that.

>>57062703
He was always a grifting fag who only wanted to use homostars to boost his RM.
He just wanted in the big twitch inner circles.

Mods, i was joking... Are you saying this is true? What do you guys know about this whole situation?

There is a limited pool of male applicants who aren't total shit. Magni was a no one, he saw holostars and how Luxiem did and thought he could try and ride the whirlwind of nijisisters to 10k ccv. He was doing okay with 4k ccv I don't know why he rocked the boat, but he did. Anyway he realized the male vtuber meme was starting to go sour because Luxiem kept fucking up and prepared himself to get out if things didn't improve. Now he returns to his previous life, ripping off small time mobsters.

>>57065967
>vesper
Thought, like Sana, that vtubing for hololive was just about having fun and posting memes, but then he had to do office work and work with his managers and he hated that.
>magni
Thought he could become big but the luxiem meme was already reclining midway through 2022.

Cover wanted to ride the sisters but took too long to debut, it was like a perfect storm because they were 6 months late to the party by the time Nijisanji had already eaten most of the pie and drank all the beer and was getting ready to mosy on out to seek out new audiences to rip off for Riku's new yacht. Tempus had a brief boost, but launching Tempus 2 before Holoen3 caused too much seething.

>>57066861
Based janny double agent "accidentally" cofirming rrats.

>>57067318
Spread word

>>57065967
these two graduated together. shouldn't the final rrat bat the same?

>>57065967
He's doing fine on his own

>>57067271
>>magni
>>Thought he could become big
>he lacks critical information

They didnt get on with Altare, they both left because of Altare. You eill never see them interact with Alt or his RM accounts ever. The money wasnt good enough to put up with him and his buddy in management

>>57065967
I told everyone here for over a year that despite me liking him he was always going to graduate because he kind of just applied as a joke and did not take the job seriously

Posting about how much he disliked his "work uniform at his fast food job" on his PL was pretty much the death flag for his contract renewal.

>>57067871
Nothing is worth putting up with a "for the cause" type. You can't do anything but leave. Trying to push back against them will just get you fired because they're a protected class and you're not.

>>57068020
>he doesn’t know

>>57068148
Gays and SJW hate each other because one just wants to exist and the other wants power making everyone hate them.

Pedophile instincts couldn't be held back when Gura was in the same room as him, Cover really tried to hold him back but after the 50th time they decided it was time to let him go, most people only rape Gura 20 times

>be maggers
>have an interest in vtubing and hololive
>join holostars out of curiosity and wanting to have fun with my favorites
>realize all the girls i wanna be friends with either dont collab at all, dont collab with men because theyre scared of backlash, or hate men entirely
>realize i unironically have a better chance at collabing with them as my normal self because then fans won't think we're having sex
>realize i can have 100x more fun streaming as myself without management interventions and censorship
>not super attached to many of my genmates, new gen isn't super compatible either
>my only bro is already planning on not renewing his contract too because he hates management

>>57062703
Fagesper fucked his ass and since then he can't separate from him, truly the Romeo and Juliet of vtubers

>>57062703
He thought Hololive was going to be like OTV, and it's not.

>>57068693
>unironically quitting because girls won't hang out with you
pathetic lol

>>57069012
They're planning a double suicide? Little bit of wishful thinking their sister.

>>57067871
He’s just a guy and makes rape van/woman abusing jokes all the time, he really does not care as much as people on this board think he does. He also got a new manager recently and his old manager was promoted so I doubt he had any push over them.

>>57062703
Is this a shoop? Is this really the guy sisters are wet for?

>>57069631
He attracted more of the bro tuber crowd, but he won woman over buy being a creative autist. His got a fixed updated model that unfucked his face but he dipped immediately after getting it. Pretty heart breaking for his mama because he publicly shat on her art then had cover make her fix it, then he fucks off anyways.

>>57067013
Magni wasn’t a nobody lmao he had a successful YouTube channel and his twitch was in the middle of exploding

>>57073674
*imploding

>>57067271
anon....

>>57067954
You did, did you? What's the post number?

>>57062703
*she

>>57068693
The only mistake here is Vesper was the one that jumped ship with Magni. It seems the rrats about him and Altare hating eachother were probably true and was too embarrassed about Japan to look Axel in the eye again.

>>57069302
>strawmaning

>>57062703
holy shit it's just the end of a contract, have none of you ever worked before??? this shit happens all the time with contracted jobs, and not just in the vtuber field

Imagine applying for gen 1 stars and watching half of them fuck off.
Thanks for doing your due diligence Cover.

>>57075923
You realise that if the ones who could make it decided to leave, it was never worth applying int he first place. You dodged a bullet in other words. Alternatively it's an advertisement for your PL for when you decide to leave.

>>57062703
Sana was his oshi.

>>57068693
>join holostar, thinking they got free access to hololive
There your problem.

Damn! I thought you guys were kidding!
I never liked unicorns so I thought it was all shitpost... but they actually started streaming as indies and left their old fans and friends behind. I mean, to use Hololive to boost your popularity as an indie...
that's a shitty thing to do no matter the excuse
I always knew Magni was a little egomaniac( I used to watch his streams for the first few months, but I expected more from Vesper

anyway, I can't wish them the best because I feel bad for Axel and Regis
fuck them

>>57076475
They enjoy streaming, what did you expect? Cover was just shitty to them in some way or wasn't what they expected going in. Have you never had a job in your life?

>>57074764
>being this autistic

>>57069302
>>57076407
That wasn't the only reason he could've left, retards.
Also be fucking serious, if you got into Stars you would wanna at least chat with your oshi once.

>>57076136
Fair enough.
Managers may have forgotten they need talent to manage at some point.

>>57076475
>left their old fans behind
Orc man's ccv indicates his fans followed him so it seems like they left holostars behind. Sad. Cover had a good thing going with natural incline and then they shat all over it with female collabing which just reduced ccv all around.

>>57076475
Magni has more followers on the fleshtube and makes more money off it. Why keep the more stressful less profitable sidejob?

>>57077458
Hopefully they've learned their lesson and won't let the girls leach off them in the future.
Unless they need a Blizzard sponsorship.

You want a real rrat? Magni’s roommate’s old girlfriend recently came back from Japan after separating for a couple of years. He doesn’t need Tempus or magmites for companionship anymore.

>>57077791
Didn't she also delete her twitter the day the two got suspended?

>>57068020
This is the kind of post you need to pay attention too. A = Gura. seems gura caused them a lot of problems they did try to push back against what she was doing but no matter how much they defended themself because Gura has everyone rapped around her finger she is too protected and they got fired.

>>57077458
>Orc man's ccv indicates his fans followed him
myman is his first stream aion got like 5k on her return to rm. and she is back to 3 view status
people are only there to see if he spills the beans.

>>57062703
Narcissistic sociopath

>>57077458
all of his 3.5k fans

>>57078140
There's 2 streams, he has 4.3k on twitch too. Don't think too many have both open.

it's obvious. he absolutely hated his model ever since he started. he wasn't even all that coy about it.

fiiiinaly got an updated version. fixes were only marginal. saw vesper get a true 2.0 remodeling and got stupid envious. decided to quit then and there.

vesper realized he'd lose the only colleague he didn't despise if magni left, so decided to quit sooner rather than later.

>>57078616
so under 5k for his grand return?
Kson was alot higher when she first returned right?

>>57075812
People compare with their equals, only Coco and Sana got out by their own wish and Coco had a huge drama around that and Sana did a whole great last month and last stream before going away, the homos got suspended for weeks and suddenly got fired without any last moment or fan contact, it's way different context
Besides comparing a corporate job with a entertainment one is dumb as fuck, in the entertainment industry most of the time people only cancel their contract if they don't like it or if the company is being an asshole

>>57078963
3.4k + 4.3k = 7.7k
retard

>>57067665
Considering Magni had a more popular channel all along and Vesper was a 2view no I don't think their reasons were the same

>>57065967
This was talked about the first month of debut but it was very obvious Magni only joined either as a joke or try and break into the holobubble beyond Mori and Ollie for his friends.
He from the start never took the job seriously and shat on his manager, the model, and was apathetic to his new fans. The man immediately brought his friends in with collabs while trying to collab with as many of the EN girls he could. 2 and a half months after this when he saw how he only got Ame and Kronii as new collab partners and no one else he effectively stopped trying. He said on his rm in november or december that he was going to do content on twitch again and half assed his stars side until graduation.
Magni is the vtuber example of a trojan horse. His sole goal was to poach either fans or talents to bring back to his friends bubble.

>>57075812
contracts are for 1 year when you 1st join and the year for them was not up yet so no it was not end of the contract for them.

>>57079148
I don't particularly have any hate for nijisanji or hololive on this board but there is constantly a very consolewars double standard where people will lionize streamers like pomu and bae who have constantly lost ccv while shitting bloody rage at people like Sayu and not-Sana and belitting them on their comeback, when Sayu does better than most of nijisanji.

Vtubing really does seem to have peaked in 2021 and began reclining from there.

>>57079331
People always make the same mistake, having tons of dead subs doesn't mean that much, and not all of his videos were successful. He really wasn't a popular streamer before Holostars, but now people are curious about his indie persona. That won't last, he's not that interesting, he's not attractive, nobody wants to buy that shitty PL merch, and people will forget about him within a week

>>57077924
Funny you say something like that. This is not the 1st time someone said something like that about Gura. Whoever joins Holostars or Hololive/cover as a whole may want to stay clear of her.

>>57079331
>8k across two streams
>was an irrelevant 2view 2 years ago
He really made out like a bandit huh.

>>57079148
adding different numbers from different platforms don't count
cope that no one cares he returned

This is why you NEVER recruit someone who has an active big youtube/twitch channel. They are not interested in growing the brand and will just leech.

>>57079480
It was the contract renegotiation period, you start negotiation before the old one ends.

>>57080055
I don't understand his fans
He ghosted Vesties MANY times, has anger issues, he's unpredictable without his meds, and caused many troubles to his gen mates, but his fans will follow him no matter what
Daddy issues is a real thing I guess

>>57079840
Anyone does better than nijisanji, they literally have 2views
And kill yourself EOP, holoJP is all time high, just because EN is losing fans left and right doesn't mean vtubing is dying, it's just them being a bunch of lazy or retarded bitches

>>57066753
>thinking joining holostars would boost his RM.
Even a cursory glance at Holostars would tell you that wouldn't happen. He should've joined NijiEN if that was the case.

>>57062703
more clout and viewers.

>>57062703
Money. Fame. Not wanting to be managed.

>>57069302
>>57076407
>homosexual man
>joins for girls
eh nandatte

>>57062703
Magni and Vesper made a bet whoever has sex with another holo first has to graduate, but they had sex with each other so they both have to graduate

>>57079873
I know a lot of people who said that about Gura and they are not ones to lie, They said she is hard to work with and will cause problems when there was little to no reason to just because she could. She also would not no matter what anyone said stop and when she was upset over a person (it could take little to nothing they could say good morning wrong to her and that was it) she would go after them and ruin them and then some. She was known for pretending to like others and or promising some kind of payment to others for work and when she got that said work or items she could ghost them leaving them without information and or the money for their work. She is smart about how she does things and she has never gotten in legal trouble for doing it as of right now. But the public sees the good side of her. The last time someone did start talking about it she made them go away. It's only a mater of time before she does it to the wrong person. Either way, I wish vesper and the other guy good luck and hope that they do okay after being fired.

you girls are worse than a stitch and bitch.

>>57062703
He didn't get the numbers he wanted and his model was too ugly for him to get used to. Even after receiving a 1.5 it wasn't enough for someone as greedy and impatient as him.

>>57081421
kek
Vesperfags really believe these rrats

>>57079840
>Vtubing really does seem to have peaked in 2021 and began reclining from there.
It's why I kekkle anytime fags complain about numbers, being a 4view is still the 99.99th percentile of Vtubers, only special events, Gura doing a rare non-phone in stream, or debuts/graduations get more than low 5view.

Meanwhile 3D streamers can make ends meet with middling 3view numbers and a dedicated fanbase, and 4view twitch fags are making like 6 figures from shilling.

>>57080420
Yes, you are right and I did not think of that. But still, they did not finish out the contracts and that is the odd part so there is a reason they cut their losses and did not milk them for more money from streaming beforehand. But also they not streaming for almost 2 months beforehand? I think something more happened than just a contract thing.

>>57081680
>It's why I kekkle
you fucking do what you goblin mother fucker?

>>57081542
>Girls
Gays*

>>57081672
Its odd that Gura is being pointed as the cause of this in almost every thread Iv seen. I'm not a fan of ether but it worries me that if you don't get along with her or she does not like you would cause you to be without a job.

>>57081715
I choose to believe the dumbest rrat: The contract put in front of them sucked and they unprofessionally joked about it to management, resulting in their double suspension due to Jap management autism.
At this point the both of them just said fuck it none of this is worth dealing with.

>>57082427
To add on a bit more because I just though of it: They could have also shown each other their potential contracts, which would be a big no-no in a JP corp, and found out one of them was getting fucked over.

>>57081715
In my opinion it was probably trying to leverage. They were 2 of the 3 stars with the best performance, and had just gotten upgrades. When Cover hardballed, they didn't play, and their last stream was 1 week before the 1yr period, meaning they probably went back and forth for a month on the end of the contract, before either walking away, or getting the boot by Cover for not acquiescing.

No new contract, no graduation. Sana debuted mid-August, graduated at the end of July, got to walk away with gachikoi bucks and sappy shit. Vesper and Magni quiet quit like 2 office workers who were holding up their department while management refused to pay them bonuses, or whatever.

>>57082427
That sounds like something I would have done so not going to lie about it. I think unlikely but who knows at this point. I just hope it's not a member that caused them some kind of problem or hell could be the other way around and they caused the problem but I don't think that is the case whatsoever. It always worries me when someone leaves Hololive at all because it has me thinking the worst and I love every member there both the girls and guys. I don't have very much in life besides a computer and Wi-Fi and I enjoy getting to watch them all when they are live.

>>57082714
could be but then you would have one pissed at the other for it but they still seem very close and getting along so..... unless they was cool.

>>57082121
>not knowing how to zozzle

>>57083128
I would not be pissed at my bro for showing me I was getting fucked on my pay. I also would want my bro to know he was getting fucked on his pay. Even if either scenario got me fired.
I've actually been in this situation and my friend got backpay due to being underpaid for months.

>>57082717
Yes and I think that Vesper was not making as much money would explain the green ball and him crying trying to cover it up with laughing.

>>57080647
being a 2 view would be nice for some nijis

>>57083558
I would have done the same if I was not working in an Entertainment company, The thing about the cover is if they was fucking one over they would not give them any backpay.

>>57083608
he was making a lot as he laughed about it. didn't you watch the stream when he was laughing and asking why viewers are dropping supas?

>>57083840
Nice bait but that stream is an empty chair that has been going for three weeks now, as some sort of bit by him.

>>57067954
Oh I definitely saw his tweet
It's in bad taste.

>>57077085
But his oshi is Sana

>>57084132
seems it has gone over your head Anon.

>>57062703
Look at what you posted.
That shit is exactly why.

>>57081254
All Asians are bisexual. - Magni's roommate when asked about his sexuality.

>>57086394
He's not even Bi, he's never fucked or sucked a dude, he's just a larping femboyfag.

Magni's past life has more views and more ccv than his Holostar career ever had. Sticking with Holostar's was like shooting his cash cow to prop up a dying cow.

For vesper having even a additional 200 watching his stream on his past life's twitch would make him more money than having 4k viewers from holostars with cover taking cuts on everything and having full owner ship over his channel and money. So walking just makes sense even as a 1 view on twitch since they make way more money than a 5 view on Holopro.

>>57087357
Take a (You)

>>57087070
Don't you know? Pretending to be a fag to pander to homosexuals online is an ongoing fad. It worked out for Magni so of course he's going to continue doing it.

>>57086394
>bisexual

LMAO. All Twitchgrifters just like to LARP as being one of the special genders like bisexual, pansexual, sapiosexual, asexual etc. because of clout like Hollywood. The only relationship we knew the guy had was with a female.

>>57067271
This is also my theory. The amount time for "work" I have seen casually mentioned from the girls makes me think they make them work a 9to5 of some kind for the company after the first year and Sana and Vesper both figured if they were going to do that they could just go back.

>>57062703
>Get on Holostars
>get 3 coworkers
>One is bro, the other one is a SJW retard and a bad person, the other one is a legit retard but not a bad person.
>You get the worst 2Dlive model and design of all of them
>You still get somewhat popular by making memes and being genuinely entertaining
>The off stream work is ridiculously long and taxing, because everything is decided from Japan, and you have to work in JP hours off stream
>After a while the debut buff is over, you are a 3 view now, you had the same and sometimes more viewers on your PL, the same for the money
>You realize that there's a fucking lot of coworkers that treat you like the plague because they can't live without unicorn money
>Their fans harass you constantly, but whatever you are still somewhat having fun and you signed a contract, you want to be professional about it
>New gen debut in holostars, your numbers go up for a while and the new coworkers are actually good people and not retarded
>The antis and the hate is still there, but whatever
>You finally get a 2.0 of your 2Dlive model
>It's the same shit again with minor fixings
>You go back to a 3view
>Try like Mori to stream with your old channel, to test waters
>Get reprimanded because of that and get a "vacation" suspension
>Your contract is almost over is time to renovate it
>Try to negotiate it with your bro, 2 against the company is better than you alone, they suspend you for 2 month for trying to negotiate and for rejecting the contract offer they showed you, while the excuse they give you is because you have been streaming on your PL acc
>You think it's not worth it anymore, you could make more money, working less and being more in control, so ultimately more happy streaming with your PL, also you have won a lot of fans that would follow you
>Your bro thinks the same, both of you can support each other, and indie vtubers have less antis and unicorns.
>Decide to leave

Anyone would do the same, but holodrones prefer to tell you that they are traitors while licking the boot of the company and rimming Yagoo's ass while they are on it.

>>57062703
Honest what the fuck is that purple thing on his head. Why is it disconnected where it goes over his eye. Is it just fucking magic? What a dumb accessory

>>57092941
bro just noticed

>>57092941
Its supposed to be a halo but his mama is a hack and didn't think about how dumb it looks painted on his face and hair.

>>57092775
so true sister! don't you have a stream to watch right now?

>>57089824
it's stuff like singing practice, dancing practice, recording songs, preparing for streams if you wanna do anything more complicated than "sit down and play games", getting mocapped for 3D stuff, signing merch, recording for hologra or holoshorts or whatever, etc.

and of course shit like taxes and paperwork.

>>57067271
>>57094349 (me)
obviously the guys don't have as much of that stuff, but Cover still had to push back a group song when Magni and Vesper left so it's pretty clear they still had projects going on that'd eat away at their time and energy (and in Vesper's case, sanity).

Signing up for Hololive/stars absolutely comes with responsibilities beyond "sit and stream" that applicants may have not thought through or underestimated the investment required.

>>57080485
he's just fun to listen to, anon

>>57095256
To be honest that's on cover for not being more open about what actually comes with the job. I know it may be standard in Japan to expect more hours than advertised but in Europe and NA usually companies that aren't open about their hours and commitment are looked down on.

>>57082383
Don't fuck with the golden goose, it's not that complicated.

because he is physically, spiritually, morally gay as fuck.

>>57095561
You can be like Gura or Ayame (or Mumei, Haachama, etc) and not stream for weeks, Cover doesn't force you to do a 9 to 5 on top of everything else.
But if your primary interest is streaming then having to sacrifice stream time in favor of those additional responsibilities (which aren't secret at all, but they're definitely underestimated) are more a chore than a benefit. It's a perfectly valid reason to quit.
Coco definitely quit for similar reasons, before leaving she'd mentioned how practicing for the year's big concert was sapping at her energy and time so she couldn't do Asacoco and such as much.

I would not doubt it if Cover forces talents to submit detailed excel sheets on how they spent their week's hours towards company activities. And they often need revised after management rejects them saying they filled them out wrong.

>>57062703
voted "most likely to betray the guild"

>>57097489
I can't even remember what I ate yesterday.

>>57089540
The most special genders, not wanting to fuck, wanting to fuck everyone, and wanting to fuck up pseudo intellectual folks

>>57097489
Would make sense, alows them to see whether they are paying enough hourly and leaves a paper trail for pay disputes and stuff. Though I doubt any talent is making below minimum wage for that to matter.

>>57098441
they don't get paid hourly you retard
it's a fixed salary + a cut from the various income streams
this is public information, cover releases this shit now that they've got public investment

>>57097489
good fucking luck getting gura to do that

>>57081254
anon i know this is hard for you to understand, but friends exist

>>57065967
Magni had a fraction of the popularity of his RM. That, combined with Cover's cut, means his income was probably slashed by an entire order of magnitude when he joined Tempus. Plus he was a bad for the the company culture; he's too much of a twitch normie. Remember when near the start when he did the twitch marathon and brought his clique in? I always imagined he would slow down severely and just stream once or twice a week as Magni and the rest of the time as his RM, but him fucking off doesn't surprise me either.
The Vesper situation is more surprising, but I guess he's just a retard and there's nothing else to it.

>>57067271
>but then he had to do office work and work with his managers and he hated that.
Honestly I've never in thiought about this part. What exactly does Cover ask of its streamers besides obviously streaming from time to time?
So even if you wanted to be someone who streams 10 hours a day every day, you couldn't?

ID3 bros...

>>57102333
>but friends exist

>>57080485
I went to his thread and it might be the gayest fucking thread on the board. Are all homo fans like this?

>>57102452
>Magni had a fraction of the popularity of his RM.
it's this combined with the obvious mismanagement of stars as a whole
Randon will probably go be an OL(male) again to make real money and keep vtubing as a hobby, he was never very good at balancing the two so it's no surprise he looked at the contract and dipped with his platonic* buddy

>>57110430
>Randon will probably go be an OL(male) again to make real money and keep vtubing as a hobby
On stream today he said he plans to stream as much as he can. And after realizing his CCV (yes yes, I know he won't have 4k every stream and this is just a special thing) maybe he will go full on streaming.

I'm convinced Magni dropped is why Vesper dropped too, like if Magni didn't join the gen then Vesper still would have reservations against management, but maybe he would feed a more positive thought process and endure the whole thing until some character development happened and things got better.
Magni going kamikaze mode made Vesper auto-destruct too, he's a bit of a sponge.

>>57111166
>he's a bit of a sponge.
I see what you did there.

>>57062703
A Magni thread? Finally?

>>57062703
Why did Cover do it?
Why did Cover look at someone with nearly a million subs and go "Oh yeah, he'll stick around."

>>57109516
it's like 90% women there

>>57111983
I mean... it worked with Gura and Mumei

>>57103114
That's 100% what Pekora said in this clip.
The discord notifications from management were pissing her off, she just wanted to stream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_gceJqx4rM

>>57092775
>suspend you for 2 month for trying to negotiate and for rejecting the contract offer
I know this is stale bait but you are fucking retarded for thinking you get suspending for rejecting a contract

Because is irl content is unironically more based

>>57103114
When Kiara talks about the days she isn't streaming she usually mentions at least one recording unless she goes to an anime convention or otherwise leaves the house for an extended time (and even then she sometimes still records things) and she often has to do stuff for hours even after her streams

>>57062703
Lazyness and mental illness imagine being such a retard for throwing your vtuber channel when could make money from both of your channels what a retard

>sana mentions
>on a thread about homos
shut the fuck up

>>57065967
Vesper and Magni are the romeo and juliet of vtubing. Fell in love, but cover suddenly became aware that vesper was balls deep into magni hence the out-of-nowhere suspension (talents can't have romantic relationships was an internal rule). They chose love instead of continuing in hololive. Hence why theyre still friends with everyone, and there doesnt seem to be any bad blood: it's just a respectable decision to make.

>>57082383
Can't wait for Gura to try and mess with Pekora or Marine to the point YAGOO gets her fired

>>57084356
>>57083840
it literally says it goes until he hits 500k
holy fuck how do you illiterates function?

>>57117985
>Vesper and Kronii fucking
>Magni gets jealous
>Reveals to management they are fucking
>Vesper and Magni fight it out and get suspended
>refuse to reconcile
>Double Graduation
>Kronii gets away with it again
>Mori claims a Mario Party double kill

>>57115664
>a fucking rrabit is stronger mentally than an old man
strange world we live in.

>>57067013
Shanks is a fraud

>>57117985
>Hence why theyre still friends with everyone, and there doesnt seem to be any bad blood
they fucking ruined the anniversary
they wasted pako's design literally was sued for 2 streams.
is one thing to respect their wishes but you bet your ass they were fucking hurt by this. i wish they would actually aknowdlge their mistakes in someway and jsut do an apology.

>>57119410
>putting up with something you hate makes you stronger
>literally cry about it on stream but do nothing about it
Wrong on so many levels

>>57119410
>mentally stronger
He just literally is almost middle aged and is tired of dealing with corporate bullshit, he'd probably just be a subcontractor if he went back to normal wagie life.

>>57119463
>they fucking ruined the anniversary
Cover ruined the Anniversary for thinking it was a good idea to do contract renewal during prime merchandising season instead of after locking in orders.

>>57112109
Yabba dabba doo I'm there.

>>57119468
>>putting up with something you hate makes you stronger
no, working togheter with someone you hate to reach a goal is what make her strong. And she doesnt even hate her managers that she has had.
That is the difference ebtween her and vesper.

>>57117959
Sana would have been a homocollaber if she stuck around.

>>57119511
>cover is at fault.
these 2 are the ones that decided to opt out at such an important date and after getting redesigns.

>>57119320
No, unironically, because vesper, kronii and magni were simply never straight.

>>57081421
>the public sees the good side of her
>except for the seemingly never ending ghosting arcs and complaining that she's a sociopath who sees her fans as paypigs
The public is just fucking retarded.

>>57067871
>>57077924
>altare and gura teamed up to force vesper out over their mutual dislike for him

>>57119618
>Implying that they decided
You don't know that and the way events played out implies the contrary

>>57119567
Let's see your track record with putting with shit that you dont like dealing with.

>>57119622
>implying gay people don't engage in heterosex at all
I seem to recall that even in current year, gays will still engage in sexxing the opposite gender for all sorts of weird reasons not limited to hiding in the closet to actually wanting biological children

>>57120602
Stop watching newsmax lmao

>>57102333
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_lh5fR4DMA

>>57079480
You don't sign a contract on the day you debut, use your head.

>>57067871
altare and magni irl collabed. I can believe that vesper hates the blue fag

>>57082427
>>57082714
I like this rrat

>>57120602
Or being brainwashed by SJWs into thinking that fucking someone of the opposite sex who is a tranny is still gay because the tranny thinks of themself a certain way

>>57062703
Is "it" what you call your mom?

>>57119410
if he was making the type of money rabbit makes then he would tolerate the bullshit too

>>57067013

>>57079873
Why?

>>57082383

Gura is the mickey mouse of vtubing. What do you expect.

>>57115664
>Otakmori

>>57108415

:<

>>57119410
I guarrantee you he wasn't making enough to justify the stars corpo rules, unlike her

>>57119533
Now put on the maid outfit. The sisters demand it.

>>57078916
This makes sense, but the only thing I can't figure out is the circumstances of them leaving. Why such a long delay between the suspension and termination? Why were both announcements simultaneous? And why no graduation stream? Sana left for basically the same reason but she got a whole month's worth of sendoff streams.
Also I have a feeling the model was the last straw rather than the sole reason. It seems like he just prefers flesh content and not having to deal with perms and restrictions.

>>57119410
30+ American males are less afraid to walk away from jobs.

>>57136900
>Sana left for basically the same reason but she got a whole month's worth of sendoff streams.
Sana quitting was probably discussed and known for 3-4 weeks before announcement I'm guessing. She quit before her 1 year anniversary, so there was no issue with contract.
These guys got put on hold like, the week OF their anniversary, meaning it probably came short notice, and they had to scramble by stopping events and promo stuff while they handled the admin work. Then without contracts, they don't even get send offs.

>>57068693
He was delusional if he thought he was going to hang out with Holo girls on the regular.

>>57077458
>Orc man's ccv indicates his fans followed him
lol, check again in a month. This first wave is 70% tourists who want to know the scoop.

He decided to go to Twitch and hang out with cancerous people all by himself pretty early on, no one made him do that.
He never cared about Hololive or its culture to begin with. Don't join if you don't care, it's that simple.

>>57079840
>Vtubing really does seem to have peaked in 2021 and began reclining from there.
Meanwhile Fauna keeps inclining.

>>57137693
He was always on Twitch, though.

>>57076719
>Cover was just shitty to them in some way
There is a difference between a company being shitty to its employees and employees not being compatible with a corporate structure.

You'd have to be a fucking retard to think Cover was shitting on them after seeing how much special attention Stars has gotten. The realistic and non-braindead take out of this situation is that they simply did not enjoy being under management's thumb. They're better suited as indies.

>>57138699
No they were in love go check their twitter and cover doesn't like romantic relationships between talents.

>>57138871
This is like saying Luxiem is in love. Gay for pay is a thing.

>>57138973
See you in a month when rando and lando bake a cake together on stream and feed a fingerful of whipped cream into each other's mouths

>>57139210
I mean if it's real then good for them but it's borderline impossible to tell if gay romances are real in the vtubing world because it's almost always pandering to get fujos to reach for their purses. Shit happens all the time.

>>57074764
>being this retarded

>>57139210
Not sure if you're an actual delusional sister, or just shitposting.

>>57121585
That was before, Magni went from being on Altare's side to trying to make peace between them and then finally realizing Altare was the unreasonable asshole

>>57103114
I'm pretty certain that Cover subcontracts their talents for Helpdesk duties for Microsoft or Verizon (you don't think that base salary they make is just for existing do ya?) Where they read a problem solving flow chart or if it's to technical they transfer you to someone else.
Only reason I say this I called tech support one time and this is what followed
>Hold music
>Thank you for calling Verizon this is Amelia Watson can I have your account number please
> hold on like Hololive Amelia that you?
> OH SHIT fuck
>Click

I tried calling back immediately but was on hold for another 20mins but got some guy named Ranjeet.

>>57143520
so you say that altare was butthurt because magni liked vesper more

>>57117959
based

>>57062703
ugly

If his rm was so successful and less restrained, why join Holostars? Would you quit your job for a less paying job that restricts you way more?

>>57062703
He hates his fans

>>57147638
>be Magni
>lonely
>want to make friends and maybe try singing
>Hololive is making a male gen! This will surely be a massive success and provide it's members access to prime holopussy
>see model
>see numbers
>see the girls you actually want to fuck treat you like the plague
>oh no

>>57062703
Because you didn't take your meds

>>57147638
He said he joined because it was a way to focus on music since that's something holopro does. Then he released "Copium" which was dogshit so I guess he gave up on that idea.

Does nobody remember that he said "what are they gonna do, fire me?" on his first regular stream? He's been baiting for a paddlin' since the beginning

>>57062703
he's EVIL and he HATES hololive

>>57102333
>but friends exist
Take you meds, anon. This isn't healthy.

>>57137755
Everything from # indicates she's just cannibalizing the other girls who rekt themselves by being retarded. There's no new audience, the only growth is in small corpos like jidf and pc. Hololive and nijisanji are sony and sega, seething redditors fighting console wars slowly losing relevance until they become eclipsed by failing to have videogames. Vshitshow is xbox, terrible and bulky.

>>57097489
they dont get paid hourly tho. its fixed wage

>>57062703
If I had to look like that I wouldn’t want to be a vtuber either.

selfish menhera.
Vesper and him just kept lying to their fans and the company and then they thought they could ask for shit and get it and when that didnt happen they shit and piss their pants, ignoring all of the hard work of everyone involved. They simply have no respect for anyone, not even the japanese holostars.

>>57120001
neither you

So if I make my own guess from the rrats here. Magni and his friends applied to get closer or get access to the Holo girls, all but magni were screened out after cover checked since only Magni was obviously gay or bi. Once he got in he quickly realized the true prize of his friends Gura was never going to happen and only a few accepted collabs.
He got close to vesper though probably had butt sex with vesper on their trip and convinced him to graduate with him. Vesper agreed and is already a part of magni friend group

>>57062703
He earns 35 cents for every dollar on non apple device superchats. The stars fanbase doesn't have the engagement and deep pockets that the females do it's not worth dealing with the cut that cover takes and the bs that comes with it.

>>57102333
Trips of trips, to boot.

>>57062703
He earns 35 cents from a dollar donation on non apple device superchats (less for Apple). The stars fanbase doesn't have the engagement and deep pockets that the females do so it's not worth dealing with the cut that cover takes and the bs that comes with it.
The only reason to stay is if you are chasing the idol dream and are trying to piggyback access on the network of musicial talent that cover has access to or you are willing to risk playing the long game in hope of growing the brand and fanbase large enough where it is feasible to tolerate cover's cut and bs.

>>57077085
if I got into stars I'd try to hang out with izuru as often as I could
>>57151266
so he's retarded

Imagine wanting to stream and play video games, but you have to do two hours of homework every day and be in meetings with business men who advise you on ways to boost your popularity and chastise you for every small thing you do.

If you're making big money like the others, or if your view/sub count is big enough that you can tell management to fuck off then you can put up with the bureaucracy. This should be obvious but I guess people need it spelled out.

>>57062703
Fucking hell this model is so ugly, any time i see the op in the catalog i get a small jumpscare

God damn that model is so damn ugly lol. What were they thinking

>contract was crap
>management was horrible
>had enough
Simple as

>Both RM accounts went live within 48 hours of the announcement
>Both seem fairly happy with where they are now
I'm not gonna say "Cover black company" because sometimes contract shit just doesn't work out and I'm not retarded, but it's pretty obvious there was some form of breakdown between the talent and the management.

>>57174039
Axel had mentioned in the past that the group have been at odds with management even during their debut period. Imagine how much worse it got post Vesper suspension, Tempus 2 rush out the gate, and Jap?

>>57174261
It might also come down to not being able to comply with talent requests in a timeframe that Magni/Vesper liked. Anybody who's worked a real job is familiar with the "Speed of Corpo". As an example, maybe they were like "Yeah we'll get you a new rigger but in like 8 months" and Magni was like "no way fag I needed it 8 months ago", and they couldn't come to an agreement.
Shit happens. It doesn't have to be because the corpo is evil. Sometimes shit just doesn't work out, especially in entertainment.

>>57119511
Yeah they should really do it after or before the anniversary and not this we will tell you in a month so be patient shit they did. It was sad when Sana had to go. I would prefer it before the anniversary because I did find it scummy how they announced the graduation a little after Sana's birthday since people would have already bought her merch.

>>57089540
> special genders
> lists sexualities
The election tourists aren't sending their best! Many such cases.

>>57092775
> Get reprimanded because of that and get a "vacation" suspension
Stupidest part of this rrat. Do you know how many Holos have active roommates? Why didn't Shinri get suspended?