/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Hey people told you about Mori and Kiara and you fags thought it was just an exaggeration.

This is the only way to cope before that happens

Western whores are desperate for e-celeb dick.
What else is new?

>>5742503
>>5742563
leads. like >>5742658 is telling you. chop chop.

>>5742503
He's gonna fuck her, isn't he?

>>5744306
And Sidney would watch

>>5742503
Can't wait for Gura and Forsen.

>>5742503
It was either this or appeal to the rotton Chinese market. Pick your poison, bug.

>>5744510
I know she's tried but Kiara used all her gura pressuring on getting the shark to read supaas.

>>5744474
Doubt it. She likes ntr because she's a sadist not a masochist.

>>5742503
Everything is Kiara and Mori's fault. Fucking braphog and stacy ruining hololive.

>>5742503
>>5742563
>>5742658
>>5744247
>>5744306
KYS roach

>>5744657
That looks like t swizzle, holy shit.

>>5744701
Imagine being a fan of calli or kiara

So this is just a completely regular thing now. Glad that nothing happened from the first TT collab after all...

>>5744742
Imagine being anything but a chumchad trinity lover.

>>5742503
>yall
Speak properly you faggot.

>>5744742
>>5744832
Imagine being this of a faggot.

>>5742503
The Fabled Final Yab is upon us.

>>5744832
Im neither>>5742503 dropped EN long time ago, when i was barely watching them 3% of the time and JP 97%
Now i only watch JP chuubas 100% because EN is a mistake.

>>5745157
only Mori really.
Ina is honorary gen 5
Gura is cute incarnate and pretty close to JP experience actually
Kiara is trying her best
Ame

>>5744701
you first

>>5745157
>JP chuuba
Damn, sucks to hear you have brain damage.

Samefagging on cooldown doesn't make you have a point. Sorry anon

>>5745276
>Ame
Is a fat whore.

>>5745157
You will never be Japanese. You will never fit in with them, weeb.

pretty sure he's just talking about eating fried chicken

You realize it's literally a joke about beating her in the competition right? I don't even like Gigguk and that was blatantly obvious to me.

>>5744657
>She likes ntr because she's a sadist not a masochist
I don't know man, but this guy will almost certainly be a broken mess in the future.

>>5745364
That's literally Mori, Anon.

Has everyone in this thread already forgotten?

ITT:

>>5745959

>>5745959
It's actually all the burger talent, unsurprisingly.

>>5742503
At this rate his fiance will get cucked.

>>5745993
As if they ever knew in the first place

>>5745276
Wont watch Gura untill she :
>Stops being lazy
>Calls her fanbase out when they do retarded shit, so that stuff like the whole Among Us fiasco doesnt happen again (Cumbuds are already making retarded clips of todays stream, shitting on the other members because they didnt do stuff "for her")
>Drops her edgy unironic cunny act, and tries to be actually be entertaining and not bland for once

Ina :
>She should stream more
>Her Art streams are comfy and are unironically way better than any ASMRs the holos put out there (Not a bad thing but not my thing)
>love her collab streams (the ones where theres no obnoxious Kiara and naruhodene awkward Mori)
>Maybe i'll change the 100% and make her the 1%

Ame :
>People call her Toxic but the issue i see with her is her Teamcucks
>Cant catch her streams at all
>Her game choices dont really interest me
>Would watch her collab streams (again where theres no Grating Kiara and Le Rap Queen Mori)
>I'll make her another 1% exception

Kiara :
>over my dead body, watching her is like torture itself

Mori :
>Thanks for bursting "the bubble" in a way that no one asked for. Couldnt look for normal people to collab with and instead went with E-Celeb Obnoxious Anitubers and SJW whores.

>>5746174
Gura is incapable of not being bland. She has internet poisoning and only knows memes and cute noises. It's really sad.

>>5744247
Globalfags successfully managed to gaslight retards into thinking it was a nothingburger because they want this to happen. Remember the slippery slope is real.

>>5742503
a shame the good thread about chicken was deleted.
Guess I'm back to hating the annoying bird

>>5746174
Based. I agree

>>5746174
>Thanks for bursting "the bubble"
This does not mean "entertainment being pushed in a direction I personally dislike", contrary to what you seem to believe.

>>5746345
What makes Mori think she has a right to push the content in any direction at all? She joined Hololive she should try to fit in instead of forcing it to fit what she wants. Thats why people hate her.

>>5742503
I can't believe Gigguk raped and impregnated Kiara during the Shadowverse tournament

>>5742503
who

>>5744657
She used to be /a/'s darling till she announced she was Gigcuck's finacee and only got fatter and fatter since then. She really let herself go.

>>5746518
I don't know, I don't care, don't use terms you don't know the meaning of. Hololive is more financially successful than ever, the bubble has not burst.

>>5744657
she said she likes it when the guy cries

>>5746174
please dont attach watame to your garbage posts

>>5742503
>yall
go back to twitter or reddit I don't care which, leave !

>>5745936
there's nothing wrong with wanting to see cute innocent girls get turned into breeding livestock by orcs

>>5746572
More financially successful hardly ever correlates to the product itself being better. Are you a Cover shareholder? Why the fuck would you care more about their profits than the quality of the content?

>>5746518
>she should try to fit in
What exactly is "fitting in" with Hololive mean?

>>5746572
The bubble bursts when a hobby becomes too popular and normalfags flood in.

>>5745886
He's talking about Kiara being a coal-burner, open your eyes

>>5746174
BASED

>>5746572
>the bubble has not burst.
Anon.....This mindset is part of the problem....

You dont realise that something is happening untill its already too late....

>>5746174
https://streamable.com/9wv6sn

>>5746656
I don't care either way. I'm telling you no bubble has burst.

>>5746174
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/search/filename/EcnQBqbUYAAyYnW.jpg/
this is what genuine mental illness looks like, kids

>>5746674
Not doing whatever the fuck Mori is doing with Gigacuck and Vshojo. Bitch still hasn't spoken on stream with 90% of her senpai.

>>5746696
>The bubble bursts when a hobby becomes too popular and normalfags flood in
Then Hololive's bubble has been burst for a year now.

>>5746242
t. retarded dramanigger that got bullied out of global

>>5746762
>Bitch still hasn't spoken on stream with 90% of her senpai.

That's because she can't speak the language of 90% of her senpai

>>5746723
>https://streamable.com/9wv6sn
Thanks anon, this will make a fine addition to my watame collection

>>5742563
We should have listened to them. Now we lose yet another hobby. I recently dropped the EN's but I'm ashamed in myself that I didn't to it way earlier. I knew better.

>>5742563
This. Fuck em.

>>5746518
>Thats why people hate her.
They don't though. Only a time loud minority here do and it kills them inside that she's wildly successful.

>>5746797
Hasn't stopped Amelia who has 4 or 5 more collabs with JP under her belt than Mori does.

>>5746822
>Now we lose yet another hobby
Literally just watch Japanese Hololive members or another agency, it's that simple

>>5746696
If that's the case then it's Gura that burst the bubble.

>>5746718
I wonder how many of those "lesbians" used to have a dick

>>5742563
We were warned. Why didn't we listen? Mori was always cancer.

>>5746822
fucking kek, you sound like a pathetic manchild
grow a fucking spine, nigger

>>5742503
I look foward to it!

>>5746873
But then how will he be permanently mad on the internet?

>>5742503
No deadbeats see this negatively so why should you

>>5742503
Is there porn of this yet?

>>5746797
>lived in japan for years
>still can't even hold a basic conversation
I'm not sure if that's supposed to be a defense for her

>>5746988
Deadcucks opinion matters as much as their oshi
>It doesnt

>>5746644
That's how things should be anyways.

>>5745993
he was the reason kizuna ai started getting recommended outside of Japan in the first place

>>5746988
The ones who are still there have already gone through several barriers of filtering from Mori doing this several times now. There are still plenty left I'd think who are not yet fed up with her bratty/entitled/proudly-ignorant attitudes but will be eventually, but some filtering has already happened.

In essence what that'll mean is that Mori is basically training her fanbase to be less and less Holo-adjacent and not care about Holo as much and just discount the criticisms. In other words the most braindead/normalfag bandwagoner deadbeats will be more like Ms 5% herself @the rest of Holo. Why do you think they already have segregated themselves off into a thread and were the first to do so? Fans reflect the oshi etc.

>>5747048
Mori is the dumbest holoEN, just watch the Shadowverse tourney and you'll understand

>>5746758
kek
>>5189071

>>5746988
Trusting the opinion/taste of deadbeats is like trusting BnHA-fags' opinion on good anime at /a/

>>5747184
>words words words

>>5747184
This sounds right. I remember the cuckbeats claiming that Cover would just block cancer collabs and there was nothing to worry about. If the cuckbeats don't care now either they've changed their tune to cope or some of them got filtered.

>>5746988
>Rapping wiggers fanbase are all normies or unironic weebs
The fact that they don't immediately tells me we should.

>>5747316
Ogey rrat

>>5746873
That's exactly what I did since dropping holo EN

>>5747184
This. The only ones left now are just yes men.

hololive is going to be increasingly corporate shill streams with people forced to read from scripts

when they arent shilling directly, they'll be collabing with other industry parasites

this is the path they have chosen

>>5747247
It still amazes me that her takeaway from her first Shadowverse collab criticism over not being prepared enough was that she needed to stream a shitload more Shadowverse. I feel sorry for the Deadcucks, it almost feels passive aggressive on Moris part. No-one wanted more Shadowverse, they just wanted her to prep for collabs better like actually learning the game shes going to play on stream. It's not really a huge ask but it seems like Mori got butthurt over it all the same.

>>5747379
If you think that the unironic weebs and normies came here from Mori and not Gura I really don't know what to tell you. Gura going viral the first two weeks was a fucking disaster for Hololive culture. I fucking hate the youtube algorithm.

Why are the janitors and mods such chud babies?
if you make a shit tier bait thread like this it's left up, if you mock this retardation and, god forbid, upset the fragile ego of these losers harassing V-Tubers your thread gets deleted.

Whatever happened to "No harassing V-Tubers"?
How is this thread on topic?

I'm just amazed at how thin skinned the staff is on this board and how their thin skin is leading to this shit being left up.

>>5747491
Fuck Mori for forcing Cover to take all this corporate money.

>>5747491
Cool.
I'll simply stop watching them when they'll go that way,
Surely you're not invested too much in this, right? You're not one of the paypigs, right? You have other hobbies besides this, right?

>>5747570
They, like anyone who cares about vtubing, hate Mori.

>>5746174
YWNBJ

>>5747570
>Whatever happened to "No harassing V-Tubers
That means don't actually harass them. Not "don't shitpost about them on an anonymous image board" you oversensitive faggot.

>>5747570
Anon moderation does whatever they want as long as Hiro is okay with it. They could permaban every single poster in this board without justifications and there's nothing you could do about it.

>>5747048
It's not hard to do JET really if you have any kind of four-year college degree from the US. These people (paid long term tourists basically) by nature don't have anything long term or ambitious planned for career stuff so see JET as something cool to do. In Mori's case I guess she thought it would work to springboard her amateur rap efforts.

Personally I've known several of these people and a lot of them are just normalfags with no direction in life and even after fucking living in Japan for a few years their taste in anime, understanding of otaku culture etc IS STILL fucking dogshit horrible only now they use the excuse of "well I lived in Japan for a few years so I know what I'm talking about" when no, they were physically there, but not mentally there at fucking all because they usually don't actually pick up Japanese that well despite being surrounded by it and most-commonly will just hovel themselves up in a little room and their only friends will be other expats/long term tourists by them. I wouldn't necessarily call them fake or posers because they did make the life-changing effort to go to Japan, but they seem to assume they get some kind of seniority in subject matter over others by osmosis when no that's not how it works.

Daily life there is not gonna be hanging with other otaku all day and so doesn't really teach you much about their 2D/otaku/idol culture - it teaches you what the Japanese McDonalds dollar menu (rather 100yen) is like, what convenience stores have the food you like and are open when, how to use their transport system etc. Neat things to know I guess but it's not gonna give you some epiphany about something as derived as the background and growth of vtubers, not a lot you could not have learned online basically because this entire deal is online in the first place and just physically being in Japan isn't gonna help you learn and analyze what 5ch and futaba etc are saying any more than you can right now. Over the last year with the pandemic with no comiket and similar ilk your couple chances to really geek out over these things are also denied so 2020 in specific (and much of 21 now) just are non-starters for claiming any real advantage over people in the vtuber sphere - something mori wasn't even into before joining. So what a surprise she still isn't really into it. The real question is why the fuck Cover hired her to begin with, it sounded like a kneejerk decision on their part too as Mori herself was very surprised they went for her within just a few minutes talking.

>>5747601
>I'll simply stop watching them when they'll go that way,

They've already gone that way, you're just slow to catch on

>>5747712
>spacing
You're the one light years behind. Mentally.

>>5747525
is that her actual reason for streaming the game so much?
her fans were too indirect with criticism and she took it as they liked the game and would watch her if she prepared for it?
I don't follow Mori at all, but I respect her for focusing on her own career and building a portfolio though

nigger text

>>5747316
I'm sorry you can't read anon.

>>5747534
>implying it wasn't from eekum bokum

>>5747745
I bet you think you're cool just because you use this website. You aren't. You probably use Reddit secretly as well.

>>5747771
Nigga, if I could read do you think I'd be watching vtubers? I'd get a real hobby.

>>5747570
The OP is directly discussing bullshit Mori started. He phrased it baitingly but it's directly sourcing an actual think, faggot anituber eceleb now spreading his tentacles further is not just a rrat or shittalking but is fact.

Remember back in November people were freaking out about the TT talk for fucking weeks. It finally happened, people raged etc but quickly started to rationalize "o-oh Kadokawa must have requested this be done, it's just some marketing thing for shilling, we'll be fine.." - no, no we're not fine, it wasn't a fluke. Shit is as bad as people thought back then.

>>5742503
Why yes, this is exactly what I wanted, how did you know?

>>5747755
Yes. She got shit on for showing up to a collab with Kiara without knowing how the game works. So she took this to mean she should go on a long Shadowverse training arc on stream rather than just putting in a little bit more effort to prepare offstream.

IBTL
Jannies = fags

>>5747863
This is a good point. That shit was all over reddit, twitch, twitter, youtube... I think that and the huge boom of translated clips it brought prepped people for "A" and that was the nail in the coffin.

>>5747525
>they just wanted her to prep for collabs better like actually learning the game shes going to play on stream
And that's what she did?

>>5747379
Unironic weebs wouldn't be watching EN.

>>5747902
Managers were blocking Mori from doing this for a long time. Something happened during Moris break. The floodgates suddenly opened and shes doing weekly anituber and vshojo collabs.

>>5747902
>as bad
they think this shit will literally kill hololive. All that's happened are some streams that aren't to your taste. it's never as bad as you think

>>5747953
She still doesn't do any prep for streams.

>>5746570
If Gigguk was actually based then I'd assume he's architect, but I bet he secretly seethes about her weight gain

>>5747902
I think if the EN holos that are against it would just ignore him entirely like the other 3 girls have
Kiara clearly has no issue with that
I guess it sucks if you're a fan of the girls that would interact with these people, but I don't see it as such a huge issue as people are making it out to be
most of the girls that choose to interact with them are doing it for networking anyway

https://youtu.be/XFD6OYLR-00?t=38
Why is she like this ?

>>5748045
Star Wars died when they made movies that weren't to my taste, as in they were fucking garbage.

>>5742503
>yall
go away nigger

>>5746793
That means absolutely nothing, because /hlgg/ is 90% newfags.

>>5748049
You're not even moving goal posts at this point, you are literally just running in circles

Well Anons, you have 2 options.
Options 1: >>5742503
Option 2: pic rel

>>5748249
including you

>>5748277
Huh? She doesn't prep for streams that's a simple fact. The only one shes ever been prepared for is the one with Gigacuck

>>5748467
watch streams, you retarded dramanigger

>>5748467
This is laying it on too thick, up until now it's been decent bait.

>>5747952
>implying it didn't begin with nigga~

>>5747534
No, that was a typo on my part. The unironic weebs came for gura, ame, ina and kiara. The ironic weebs came straight to Mori. And yes, she go the majority of the normies as well. Rap music is the biggest draw imaginable for regular fags.

>>5748627
Began with nigga, ended with a wigga. Like pottery.

>>5748718
baitposter...

>>5748539
They're still riddled with tech issues caused by not testing shit before the stream. What are you getting at?

>>5748718
>The unironic weebs came for gura, ame
Absolutely no way you earnestly believe this. Those fanbases are like 70% ironic weeb zoomers.

>>5748800
Yes, they're both retard.
>weebs don't like lolis
>weebs don't like salty gamer girls
Mori by far caters to the normalfag audience.

>>5748889
Alright, I feel stupid for getting baited by you now. My bad.

>>5747689
I wish this happens

>>5746174
FUCKING BASED

>>5748959
Uh huh, I'm sure weebs with no jobs have $500 fat akas to give out like M&Ms too.

>>5749049
Anon... your neetbux reps...

>>5742503
>Its only one time thing they said
>They wont collab they said
>(...)
>They'll just be playing without interacting they said

Just how many times DeadCucks get BTFO'ed and try to find different ways to COPE

>Its pretty embarassing and sad at this point.

>>5742563
what was? If retards are still losing their shit about collabs, then yeah it is just an exaggeration.

>>5742503
>Its only one time thing they said
>They wont collab they said
>(...)
>They'll just be playing without interacting they said

Just how many times DeadCucks get BTFO'ed and try to find different ways to COPE

>Its pretty embarassing and sad at this point.

>>5749049
>There's no way Gura attracted normalfags after going viral
>She's so based just like me
God, I feel bad for you.

>>5749288
BLM charity stream within the next year

>>5742503
>JP chuubas collabing with gaijin
>Collabing with a male gaijin

That's an XD.

>>5742503
JP Vtubers also collabs with JP local artists/"e-celebs".
But I don't see any of you sperg out like this.

>>5746518
Holy fucking schizo batman. You should probably eat the lead pill while you still can if you are this bothered by what some virtual whores do

>>5746718
whats wrong with any of that?

The staff are protecting these insufferable faggots spamming the board with their B.S attacking the talents for being entertainers.
Check the deleted threads on Nyafuu and see what gets deleted and what stays up.

>>5748118
the reason it 'died' is because Disney knew fuck all what to do with it

>>5744306
most likely

>>5742503
>Does streams anons don't enjoy
>IT'S LITERALLY OVER, HOLOLIVE IS DEAD
you need your fucking medication anons

>>5749368
>JP Vtubers also collabs with JP local artists/"e-celebs".

Because JPfags know how to behave (ironically or unironically) and know how to control themselves (youre fucking getting your ass bullied back and forth, if youre not acting normal in Japan, thats why JP online schizos and Antis are the worst, the negativity that they cant show just bursts out of em when they find the freedom of anonymity on the net)

>>5749288
jesus christ gigguk is fucking ugly

>>5749552
Hm. Its like execs pandering to lowest common denominator garbage ruins the product. Wonder how this relates to Hololive EN

Thanks for the millionth troll e-celeb thread.

>*never does stuff with anituber shit ever*

>>5749301
Deadcuck, please. Everyone feels bad for you, if only for your pure delusion.
>wigger rapper
>3d male collabs with anitubers and wants clout chasers
>goes on vacation, makes more empty promises that won't be kept
>yay more sponsored streams for a game that only normies play
>>>twitch

>>5749659
I wish I could leave this board.

>>5749535
>Nooooo jannies help meeeee people are saying mean things about my favorite vtuber!
Pathetic.

I don't get why people dislike mori so much. She only streams for a little while before taking a break. She's barley there so what's the problem? unless that is the problem?

>>5749712
>Pathetic.
jokes on you becuase 4chan jannies are that sad

This guy is head over heels for Kiara lmao

Topics like this make me laugh.

People seem to treat the fandom like a fucking amusement park with a "You Must Be This Sad To Ride" sign.

>>5749535
this isnt being an entertainer, it's being a parasite on entertainment

>>5749368
JP -vtubers- is the difference here. Hololives only very rarely ever have done this and it's not been a fucking weekly thing getting worse and worse with any Holo ever.

>>5742563
Not as bad the disappointment of Amelia ruining the best design of the gen by not even being brit and having no interest in puzzle games or mystery novels. So fucking mad.

>>5749368
Yeah, now go check how rare it is.

>>5742563
And it's still an exaggeration. All of this is literally nothing and doesn't affect vtubing at all. It's all in your schizo brain.

>>5744510
Forsen used to be great, but I haven't watched him in about 5 years so I dunno what it's like now.

>>5747570
its like they only put 5% of their time on moderating the board

>>5749927
This is like saying your steak squirming with maggots doesn't affect your dinner.

>>5747902
Nobody cares get fucked lol 8}
Go make 10 more threads about how Hololive is dead for the fifth time this year, faggot.

>>5747570
Pretty sure harassment means organizing a raid, retardchama.

>>5748007
Could've been Coco leaving.

>>5750043
You mad bro?

>>5749885
she was setting up for puzzle games to be as big a part of the channel as FPS games during her debut, but the entire generation got bored of the kayfabe after a week

>>5742563
>>5742503
Collabs once in a blue moon (that you can just not watch) and a few tweets exchanged (you can mute or block the guy easily). So much noise for nothing. Just enjoy your chuuba, and don't let the garbage get in your head, it's pointless, and holoEN isn't ruined just from so little.

>>5749535
If Holos walk into fucking shitpiles and get it on their feet and tread it all over the Holo name, that is topical for the board regardless of how very fucking unfortunate a reality that is. I'm fucking sorry if in fact actual real people including the most obsessive fans who care 100x more about this subject than the usual r/hololive delittantes, unrestricited in their thoughts, in fact do not fucking like it. That shameless corporate mouthpiece holo reddit conditions people to have rather unrealistic ways of thinking/processing facts. People there are conditioned into doting on stupid fluff bullshit - even when they took a bunch on the chin, the biggest 'fuck you' possible in having their meme mascot Coco graduating happened, they try to somehow spin that into a positive thing or just intimidate people into not saying how they really feel. Hell you still can't fucking talk about the China situation there. Even the most basic things that need to be said, cannot be said there. Only lobotomized people and those ignorant of the actual depth of these situations wouldn't find such serious impediments intolerable - so intolerable a dive bar type environment like here is in fact literally superior.

So why are people so brash here? In other places they would have to preface the same conclusions,in this case fuck ecelebs/westerners forcing in politicized shit/fuck anyone opening the door to that into Hololive aka Mori/Kiara? You would have to carefully preface and articulate such thoughts to present them in a gentle/professorial/liturgical manner to not immediately make people panic thinking maybe there is someone in the room who isn't a yes-man drone mindlessly following/approving anything Holos/Cover does. Let them read your post with their mental guard down at least for part of it before they stick their fucking fingers in their ears and go lalalala. However at the end, as soon as they figure out you're really just saying "fuck ecelebs holos shouldn't go near them" they'll react the same in the end as to how I just phrased it. So might as well just say the exact literal thoughts if you're allowed to do that here instead of jump through a bunch of hoops first before offering even a teaspoon of critique. So, people do that here. The forced-nice environment is not necessary everywhere.

>>5750348
They're "gatekeeping to keep out the bad stuff".
They are like the guys professing that the world will end in 2000, then changes it to 2010, etc.
And if one of their "guesses" are right out of a million guesses, they'll finally be able to say "HAH GOTCHA".

>>5750447
See
>>5750187

>>5746570
>fatter and fatter since then

>>5750513
Haha yeah dude it's not like we've seen this exact shit play out for entire industries and franchises already. How you enjoying your woke Marvel comics bro? I remember there were faggots like you saying the exact same shit when it started seeping in back then too. "It's just one comic why are you freaking out, just read others". It's just one cancer cell, don't worry about it.

>>5750447
Awww I'm sorry, are you gonna cry too?

>>5750713
DC and Marvel is about to shut down soon anyway because people buying more manga

>>5748077
I mean the fact he's been orbiting other women for awhile now tells you all you need to know.

>>5750713
ogey /pol/brony

>>5750776
Basically get woke go broke. It's not a sin to try to do the right thing or be a conscientious writer with fiction etc but just having those qualities does not also imbue people with the ability to make entertaining stories/interactions etc. That's the problem, some people value the signaling more than the stories.

>>5749535
it sure is a shock to the system when you can't just downvote the mean opinions away until the moderators lock the thread for going against their cover corp cocksucking only policy.

>>5750713
>>5750776
>>5750850
>>5750816
Disney own Marvel and will use everything it own until their cow die from over milking before buying DC to do the same

>>5750776
Yes, going woke isn't even a good decision in the long run. All the faggots who are demanding that the Holos act like twitch whores will soon find something else shiny to distract them and all the people who originally supported Hololive will be turned off by what it's become.

>>5749751
what is this an e-celeb for ants

>>5750210
fucking casuals kept calling the kayfabe cringe after their debuts, so they started doing it less.

>>5750713
demon slayer alone outsales the entire american comic book industry at this point. but the big figures in marvel and DC instead of self reflecting and wondering hey why is it that manga takes up every single top 20 spot on the top selling comics list in america, they just go to twitter and say the manga industry is backwards, racist and sexist and needs to change to be more like the american comic book industry.

>>5749712
>>5750447
>>5750906
t. people being defended by jannies
nobody cares if you want to spam your shit threads, people care that you faggots are using jannies to have anything which hurts your fee fees deleted.

most sensitive man baby faggots ive ever seen

>>5742503
HOLOBASED!

TRASHTASTE4LIFE BABY

>>5751249
Yeah. And you'll find tons of faggots who are either oblivious to whats going on or actually want it to happen claiming it's a "nothingburger" when you start to see the same process happen to vtubing.

>>5751278
so youre mad this website isnt a hugbox like you want? pathetic

>>5751278
>most sensitive man baby faggots ive ever seen
And yet in every thread I can always count on cuckbeat Mori Internet Defense Force reeeeeeing
say the thing would you? touch _____

>>5751400
MORI'S BIG BOOBIES!!!!!!!!!!!

FUCK YOU!! DEADBEATS WILL NEVER BETRAY HER

>>5751728
>MORI'S BIG BOOBIES!!!!!!!!!!!
wash your face first

>>5751278
I'm saying jannies are arbiters of topicality and, ugly topics in vtubing and people being fucking pissed off at certain vtubers is topical. You're the fucking baby here thinking it literally shouldn't be allowed to be mentioned.

Where then? Discord hugboxes? Twitter where the entire name of the game is to try to ingratiate yourself to your oshis/anyone close to them? Reddit which is a controlled mouthpiece only allowing you to make shitty memes and share happy fluffy clips? I'd blame the fact that most of the discussion space on the internet is unusable for people trying to have talks beyond surface-level depth on why all the negativity bundles up here. It'd have been more evenly distributed if other spaces weren't artificially tilting the meters so hard on how people naturally want to discuss/process things. I don't like the negative stuff either all the time but it being here is a sign of actual free thought. Sure, schizos and fucking faggot drama queens take advantage of it too, but it isn't hard to discern drama queens with nothing thoughtful to say vs actual mulling over real things going on with Holo.

>>5751864
>You're the fucking baby here thinking it literally shouldn't be allowed to be mentioned.
t. chud who can't into reading comprehension

>>5751864
So this is what /vt/ virgin rage looks like.

>>5750713
I don't see their twitter feeds/streams going woke anon. Give me one screenshot/clip.

>>5752146
>>5752265
This is what a samefag looks like.

>>5746174
Gura is not edgy, which is why she can become boring at times. Also if she were to attack her fan base over stupid moralfagging shit like you want, I wouldn’t bother to watch at all.

>deadcucks were the ones filling the catalog with wojacks
how absolutely pathetic, take your shitty e celeb to >>>/trash/ she doesn't even want to be a vtuber. Even Kiara wants to be a vtuber

>>5752296
>>5746718
Kiara panders hard to the fags

>>5751864
>actual mulling over real things going on with Holo.
NTA, but that rarely happens here. It's 99% nothingburgers like the op post and baselessly calling Vtubers two dozen variations of the words Whore and Leech, which is perpetuated by the "nothing here is serious" obsession the shitposters. have. Not to mention the absolute lack of self awareness they have when hating on "SJW" collabs wherein no "SJW" talk is referred to, in the same vein as the twitter people moaning and groaning about "problematic" people who say one thing they disagreed with years ago.

>>5752296
It's not happened yet but kiara/mori literally just played on-stream with someone whose twitter feed is absolutely chock full of it. There are two people to look at - gigguk and faye. Go on, figure out which one it is.

That degree of separation of vtuber anonymity and distancing from reality gets far slimmer when you're dealing with live people who are directly politically charged. The concern is that this is a frog in boiling water scenario. The change won't just happen instantly as a breakthrough, it won't be like kiara/mori start yelling about political/social movements unprovoked from a normal stream the day before. It'll get poked in/nudged in from the sides as they hang around with openly political people and the more they hang with such people the more likely it'll start to weave in.

So the prescription is for them to avoid such people at all costs. What is most infuriating is Cover itself seemed to know this very well and had in the prior 8 months put their foot down hard against these things, but it seems they reneged completely lately. Probably something to do with Coco graduating forcing them to make concessions or more like they pulled out all the stops in a last ditch attempt to keep her on board, would be my guess.

>>5752514
Both Mori and Kiara encourage their Hololive fans to follow their roommates too.

>>5750713
/co/fags always make this argument but they forget that comics were fucking dead. This wasn't some kneeling to imaginary sjw boogeymen the industry was bankrupt and bleeding money hard. It's why Disney owns marvel now, marvel literally had no fucking money.

The sjw pandering was their last ditch effort to get literally anything flowing again. It failed but its not like they had many options.

>>5752440
>deadcucks sure aren't the normalfag fanbase they said

>>5754621
Star wars was one of the most lucrative properties in the world and look what happened

>>5746174
this anon is literally having a stronk

>>5754621
>comics were fucking dead.
They only died after they went woke. The industry was slowly declining but it hit a fucking wall once it got infiltrated. There's no argument to be made that there's no market for them either since manga is selling like hotcakes in the US.

>The sjw pandering was their last ditch effort to get literally anything flowing again
Hahaha, no it really wasn't. Comics went through a renaissance with the MCU, they completely squandered it by going SJW.

>>5755004
Had nothing to do with sjws.
Star wars died because they hired the most incompetent directors imaginable and fucked it over 100x.
The 3 solo films were all competent. Rogue one was a good movie even with the diversity cast (inb4 c&p rlm quotes). Solo was decent even if the main actor was retarded. I think there was another one but I don't remember it.
The mandolorian is also decent enough. I have my beef with it but it's passable.

It's only the main line that fucked up and that was from the fucked up plot lines and retarded directions. Black dude and girl were fine. The .5 second lesbian kiss was unremarkable. Strong independent pink hair was retarded for reasons beyond strong independent wimenz.

>>5755122
Comics died out before the 00s. There were many reasons for it but the industry was long since fucked and it was never going to recover.

And as much as people meme the sjw pages, let's not pretend comics were ever peak quality. Spiderman punching nazis and other extremely blatant political propaganda was always a huge factor in any comics. Xmen was literally always about that shit.

>>5755126
>Had nothing to do with sjws.
SJWs are bad writers and try to force their politics into everything. Star Wars absolutely is bad because of SJWs. So is Star Trek. You're either blissfully oblivious to the kind of people writing your shows or are such an NPC you can't make the small jump from the blue haired fat chick writing the scripts talking about BLM and the drastic reduction in quality of the writing in these franchises.

Get your head out of the sand and smell the feminist BO

>>5755126
>Had nothing to do with sjws.
>Star wars died because they hired the most incompetent directors imaginable and fucked it over 100x.
Yeah, sjw's can't write, retard. Why do you think television has been in the shitter for years?

>>5755126
>Films
The values of star wars has been, and always will be, merchandise. The first few films may have been groundbreaking for their time, but everything since has been a commercial for other things, and have no requirements for any sort of quality, perceived or otherwise, because they simply exist to remind the public that star wars exists so they continue to buy incidental star wars things.

>>5755258
You are a fucking retarded secondary, aren't involved in the fanbase and as such your opinion is worthless.

>>5755210
>>5755237
Kill yourselves. You'll just find any excuse to cry sjw.
The films were not injected with endless sjw fantasies so sjws did not kill the films. Shitty directing did.
>b-but its because sjws can't write!
The vast majority of everyone can't write for shit no matter the group.

Stop trying to make everything political and learn to divorce politics from skill.

>>5755387
Kill yourself

>>5742503
just dont watch it lol

>>5755321
The Ewoks were put in because of merchandising opportunities. Did you forget that it also had a failed cartoon to go with them
Sorry, but LARPing as a SWfag isn't one of your strongsuits, /pol/turd

>>5755321
>Secondary
I don't even like star wars, beyond recognizing the cultural impact of the first 3 films. I'm simply stating the uncomfortable facts.

>>5755426
>>>/pol/

>>5746570
>/a/'s darling
>/a/ giving a shit about 3D in general

At least make the bait somewhat believable

>>5755455
>I don't even like star wars
Yes I'm aware. So your position that nobody should care that the franchise was ruined by leftists who are more interested in pushing political ideology than maintaining faithfulness to the original story is worthless. Go move off with the herd you brainless human cattle.

>>5755470
Again, stop LARPing as another fandom, /pol/turd.

>>5755426
>t.rightwing entryist
leave my hobby and go back to r/theDonald

>>5747570
>chud babies?
I don't know anon, why are such a faggot ?

>>5755387
Fuck off nigger. You're a literal retard if you actually think the oscars are good. And yes, those same writers for that share the same sentiments.

>>5755456
>I'm not a SJW so you should stop blaming them
>REEE go back to /pol/!
You're not so good at this whole pretending not to be a retarded leftoid, are you nigger?

>>5755496
It was ruined long before they got their mitts on them, is what I'm saying. I'd prefer the 40%'ers become 100%'ers as much as you, but pretending that they did anything beyond continue a downward trend to continue extracting value through obvious cash grabs is laughable.

>>5755524
>>>/pol/
This is the vtuber board. Even if I hypothetically was whatever political thing youre sperging about, its irrelevant. I'm here to listen to the funny dog go yubiyubi.

>>5755606
>It was ruined long before they got their mitts on them, is what I'm saying
How are you, a person who is self admittedly not a fan of Star Wars, in a position to make that judgement? Do I get the right to say that everything I personally don't care for was simply ruined from the start because I think it's shit?

They've literally become what they hate: /pol/turds keep crying about politics and are always trying to put this "us vs them" mentality even when the fandoms they infest don't want them.

trannies get off my board and go dilate

>>5747933
>So she took this to mean she should go on a long Shadowverse training arc on stream rather than just putting in a little bit more effort to prepare offstream.

Are you sure she didn't just do this out of spite? Like a spite arc?

>>5755702
Literally everything about politics is constant hypocritical nonsense.
The irony is its always literally the same things they want and are complaining about, they just refuse to realize they're fighting about the same things.
If I wrote a book about a subgroup of fanatics who infiltrated to government and are oppressing the common citizens for liking the wrong things. I could easily just copy and replace sjw with religious and traditional values with homosexuality and sell the exact same book to both parties.

>>5755688
Simple: Pattern recognition. Every franchise that makes the majority of its revenue through merchandise is shit, because it inevitably leads to the removal of the creative spark that made it great in the first place, to be replaced with homogeneous, inoffensive, lowest-common-denominator pandering. You can pinpoint the exact moment in time when this happens by finding the year (or, if you have the data, the quarter), where merchandise revenue became the largest form of revenue, and a further milestone of shitiness when merchandise revenue outpaces all other revenues in a franchise. The simple question is: Did this happen for star wars before or after Disney acquired it?

>>5744474
no, she's into ntr with the guy crying watching the girl he loves getting railed by a fat bastard and loving it.

If anything Sidney would be taking fat bastard cock while Gigcuck watched crying in the corner. she's not into getting NTR'd

>>5755911
Yes and no. There are franchises that can do it right.
Lego has handled things extradinarily well. The Lego spinoff like the movies and games are all actually extremely good, considering they're just ads for the product.

Similarly things like precure are basically a merchandise whore, and while the anime is stale its consistently a decent children show for girls. Same could be said with a lot of children's shows, theyre aimed at selling merchandise but at the same time that money goes back into developing a stable and usually decent product.

>>5746174
this folks is what a schitzo post op tranny gate keeper looks like. Don't be this.

Coco expanded hololive to english viewers, leading to an explosion in popularity for vtubers. EN lead to a second explosion leading to a global increase in the population of vtubers. Gura is expanding that population steadily, however i can't say she's making an explosive impact on the vtuber scene anymore.

Having members reaching outside the community to spread it's popularity isn't a bad thing. It only is a bad thing if it CHANGES the VTuber industry. Collabing with an eslut or garnt the cuck, doesn't harm or affect anything and maybe it will make vtubers a little more normal and expand the industry some more, like coco and EN did in the first place.

>defending anitubers

>>5756270
>calling out people who are forcibly bring politics into vtuber discussion = defending anitubers

/pol/turd really isn't self-aware.

>>5756500
forcibly bringing*

>>5742563
It was only Mori, and Kiara said that I’m in a stream, Kiara collabing with outside people is purely her using the fact they gained permission after Mori sperged. Nice try egg.

>>5746570
>this is the real reason 4chan hates gigguk
>he fucking literally cucked them

>>5742503
Let's all get together and laugh at the KFP's

>>5750776
This take just goes to show how stupid some people who post here are. You realize those brands make more money in the movies, cartoons, and merchandise than the comics right? The comics are basically kept around as a formality at this point.