/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

actually caring about making money makes money*

Like there are days where she pulls in more than the entirety of nijien

>engages with prechat
>Inserts chatmembers names into skits and stories
>Tries to read and respond to every supa
>Remembers chat members names
>Remembers facts about frequent chatters
They're wrapped around her finger. It's just that easy.

four guys

>>57875131
All me

Chump change after youtube and cover gets their cut.

>>57874582
I'm always very wary of women who are good at this sort of thing. She gets no money from me.

>>57875349
and youd still take that deal cause shes fixing to get a new apartment and computer and probably anything else she wants. the blue dorito is the top of the mountain for these women, they all get stupid money and barely work, while other vtubers slave away for peanuts

>>57875349
>Chump change
>Last stream made 500k yen
>About 3300 dollars
>Hololive Chuubas take home about 30%
$1,000 is not chump change

>>57875349
That cut is almost nothing compared to Nijiggers

>>57874582
*Pretending to care about your viewers makes money. If they actually cared then they wouldn't join a corpo.

>>57875349
Holomems don't get 2% nijitranny kek

>>57875959
>If they actually cared about their audience they'd slave away in obscurity and not attempt to grow their career or audience
What a sad, pathetic viewpoint. I want a chuuba that wants to get better and improve.

>>57875959
>If they actually cared then they wouldn't join a corpo.
What, big guy? Salty that now it's harder to find her for a rape session?

>>57874582
are you ready for more monthly week-long breaks?
health issues, unavoidable family businesses, traveling vlogs, whatever reason that you might just suck up like a good boy toy.

>>57876285
>Takes a single, planned vacation
>"Lol it's gonna be every month now"
Kek, bet your oshi stops streaming cause "tummy hort" while shiori streams fucking dying of strep. Oh, but you don't watch streams at all.

>>57874626
Holy shit you just solved my money problems. Like... Why don't I just give a shit. I clearly don't give a shit and that's why I'm broke. I will kidnap and sell orphans. It's the most efficient way. Don't worry they're not going to some oji-san or some coal mine. They will be in Brazil.

>>57875959
I believe it.

>>57876437
>your oshi
My oshi had a 9h37min long sleep and is feeling well

I wanted to like her but I can't stand her voice. Can brainwash myself into liking it if I force myself to watch her streams?

>>57876806
How many birds were outside her house yesterday?

>>57876858
Yeah, you can. Watch her Needy Streamer overdose streams. She's really, really cute actually

>>57876858
Donate. Sunk cost fallacy will kick in.

>>57876063
>>57876267
Yes that's literally what they would do if they cared about their fans more than the money. I never suggested that they should do it, I just never understood the obsession people have with thinking vtubers care about their fans , they are just entertainers putting on a performance to get a paycheck. Yes they should pretend to care as part of their job but do you really think they wouldn't leave all of their current fans behind in an instant if they could get a better paying gig? It's like expecting a McDonald's employee to 'care' about their customers. Sorry if that upsets you somehow but I thought it was obvious.

>>57877281
>I liked them before they got big man
>Yeah I dunno I feel like they sold out
>I saw them when they only did lottle bars and clubs, it's not the same since they started doing concerts
You're literally every fucking douchy hipster music snob

>>57875349

>>57874582
she's milking her viewers a bit too blatantly for my liking

>>57877501
Not blatantly enough for my taste

>>57877412
I don't know where they said any of those things

>>57877726
>What is an analogy
60iq

>>57876806
>9h 37m
Rookie numbers.

>>57877759
Bad analogy more like

>>57878050
>Chuuba sold out and joined a corpo
>Band sold out and signed a label
You're literally retarded if you can't see the similarities in these situations fag

>>57878165
Holy shit you're dumb

>>57876063
The internet's not the place for that, anon. Unironically go out and meet people.

>>57874992
considering she stole the basic model of people like Scarle while not being attached to a completely cancerous community, I'm not surprised

>>57875755
their SC cut is the same as Hololive's though, merch is the 2% one

>it's the old "brag about how much money one talent is making" strat except instead of falseflaggers propping up Vox and LARPing as Chinese women it's 100% real Holofags rubbing their grifter's SC numbers in everyone's faces while they're trying to eat dinner

>>57878210
>NOOOO! YOU CAN'T COUNTER MY ARGUMENT WITH SOMETHING SIMILAR! REEEEEEEEEEE

>>57874582
sauce, my good man

>>57879040
It's just you talking to yourself

>>57879617
Yup, all me

>>57874582
Her design makes my penis so fucking hard

>>57876858
>I wanted to like *them but I can't stand *their voice, Fuwawa especially. Can I brainwash myself into liking it if I force myself to watch *their streams?
From my experience you can if you tried hard enough.

IDK how to reply I'm new but to the sauce guy idk I saw it earlier looked for sauce there was none so I saved it

>>57875131
Actually five (at least)

>men are easy, just be nice to them

Has this dumb bitch fixed her sybilance yet or not?
Biggest falloff/waste in Advent because of shit audio.

You know who else makes a lot of money? The average twitch whore.

>>57881809
So does your mom, but this is about Chuubas not prostitutes

>>57882067
Yeah, I am aware it's a Shiori thread.

>>57874582
just be nice to them, easy

>>57875131
I'm sponsoring 5th

>>57875015
I wouldn't have it any other way. Proud to be her simp

>>57875733
Look at this 3rd worlder who doesn't know about taxes

>>57884904
>1000$ gross income for a few hours work is chump change
You didn't counter my point.

>>57874582
this grifter whore only cares about your wallet, cuck-chama.

>>57876991
>Attracts the cuck and ball torture audience

Raid and maybe a good stomp to the backside of your skull might fix that

I doubt she actually cares. More likely that this is just manipulation to milk gullible people. She's existed for a little over a month, I could maybe see it being genuine if we were a couple months in.

>>57874582
cute feet

>>57888386
That's my problem with gfe out of the door

>>57875015
Twice the pride, double the fall

>>57884904
>$1000 for a few hours of work
>Stream 3-4 times a week
>Make $3500 a week
>~$182,000 in just supas

Chump change.

>>57878210
Anon's right, you're a retard. If your not happy that your oshi is improving, then they're not your oshi.

>>57875015
She seems like the type to make flashcards about her chat members and grind anki like crazy so she can remember as much as possible off the top of her head.

>>57875015
>>Inserts chatmembers names into skits and stories
Have any examples of this?

>>57875131
These girls are in their late 20s/early 30s, do you guys sincerely believe they haven’t had a single boyfriend their entire lives? Especially being figures in the public eye?

>>57875015
this will backfire once people have fallen deep enough for her. to be in love with someone who pays attention to everyone except for you is a recipe for peak schizo.

>>57875015
I am watching at the sidelines because I am a perma lurker, but yeah, it's really impressive, it is the 2view experience brought to the corpo/4view scene. I kneel and hope for all the best with her career, I'll be watching with great interest.

>>57893514
Imagine the power. Acknowledging and remembering all your supas and members except for one guy.

>>57893262
she's not making 500k yen a stream

>>57893608
Doesn't matter. Half that amount, fuck quarter that amount, it's still not chump change and you can live a decent life on just supas.

she made more supas in her 5k last stream than ame's la creatividad 25k+ outfit reveal stream

>>57893512
a few of them are autistic otaku shut ins

>>57874582
>Actually caring about your viewers makes money
>Shiori
>actually caring
rumao. She's a grifter and doesn't give a single fuck about her viewers beyond seeing them as easy marks to extract cash from. It can't be denied that pretending to care makes money, though. She just has to be careful not to let the mask slip. This is why genuinely caring about your viewers will always be better than putting on an act.

>>57893837
Just like Rushia cared about her viewers.

>>57893837
Any example on which holos genuinely care about their viewers instead of putting an act? I'd love to know which one you think fits this criteria because I can't for the life of me pinpoint a single one. They're all ecelebs after all.

>>57894653
>Any example on which holos genuinely care about their viewers instead of putting an act?

>>57884904
only fags pay taxes

>>57893742
This is not and has never been a deterrent to women getting laid. Only to men.
Women have an entire support network for making sure they get plenty of socialization and sex. Even if it’s just their mothers trying to hook them up with boys from church.

>>57894697
And the chickenshit outs itself.
How much money have you spent on the orange woman you don’t have sex with, faggot?

>>57894736
Interesting way to flex that you have no money.

>>57893742
Unlike males, autistic otaku shut in girls can still have sex really easily.

>>57894872
Kiara genuinely cares about her viewers and there's nothing you can do but seethe about it.
>How much money have you spent on the orange woman you don’t have sex with, faggot?
Several hundred.

>>57874582
>actually caring
or playing the GFE to her audience to make more money

>>57894977
Sounds like you have a sad way of existence

>>57893837
I dont know what you want, but that is as good as it gets. The streamers are strangers really... But its their job to be nice to you and make cool shit/ stream content. Thats good enough for me, you even have room to fantasize GFE, and its fairly accepted. Its a good deal and I dont think it can get anybetter, realistically.

she is Rushia 2.0

>>57895048
>Sounds like you have a sad way of existence
Oh that really stings coming from an ESL living in a hut somewhere. Guess I'll just slink back to my pathetic existence of being entertained and motivated by my oshi

>>57894791
Getting laid is easy, even as a dude. +1 if you're semi-decent looking like me. I have a bland personality described as "someone who eats plain Cheerios with water" and I still pull women on my looks alone. It's not hard. Find what you have to your advantage and use it.

Dude, she expresses gratitude to every SC, remembers fan names, and even creates a lore for them.
We pay and get things instead of paying for a 'chance' of idol reading our SC.

Money well spent.

>>57875349
LOL you really believe that?

>>57895583
Yeah if you ask me she's just giving a better value for my dollar than every other chuuba. Why wouldn't I want to support someone that's more engaged with the fans and involves them directly in her content?

>>57894977
>Kiara genuinely cares about her viewers and there's nothing you can do but seethe about it.
rumao. She's a grifter and doesn't give a single fuck about her viewers beyond seeing them as easy marks to extract cash from. It can't be denied that pretending to care makes money, though. She just has to be careful not to let the mask slip. This is why genuinely caring about your viewers will always be better than putting on an act.

>>57875015
It's amazing, isn't it? The formula is so fucking simple but so few can get it right.

>>57894653
Nene I guess?

>>57896651
>Girl that calls every fan her husband is not pretending for money
Lol, I love Nene but come on

>>57896683
Oh, so you just gonna say about every girl hurrdurr but come on, ok, have your (you)

>>57876063
Exponentially less sad and pathetic than literally equating "getting better and improving" to making more money, and making money for a megacorp to boot.

>>57896683
It doesn't matter if they care or not; the act is what matters. This is why hololive is superior to Nijisanji: hololive has characters, Nijisanji has people. And people will fuck up.
Hell, just look at Reimu. She goes out of her way to be the least likable twat possible, and it shows in her metrics.

>>57895515
I didn’t say anything to the contrary. Just going to a bar and sitting alone for a few months will probably get you laid if you aren’t in terrible shape.
But it’s undeniable that women have stronger social support networks than men. You don’t really hear or read about single women working and living alone for decades with no male contact.

>>57895203
You have given several hundred dollars to a woman pretending to care about you.
You are what is referred to in modern parlance as a victim of a money making scheme. Or what used to be called a “Grade A sucker.”
You have nothing to be smug about.

>>57877281
My indie turned down a corporate offer and had an open conversation with us about how supporting her family might take priority one day but today is not that day.

>>57894653
Sora will literally abuse her position at Cover to make sure she's doing live concerts

>>57896870
Every vtuber is running a confidence hustle. What matters is whether or not you feel like they deserve your money or not. Shiori is an example of someone that deserves it. Cottontailva is an example of someone who does not.
But seriously, imagine donating to a woman that has posted videos of herself getting fucked. You are a cuck, and not the 2020 meme version of the word cuck. A Victorian era cuck.

>>57894653
>Any example on which holos genuinely care about their viewers instead of putting an act?
aki, watame, nene, mio.. there are some pretty genuine seeming sweethearts in holo - not that it's a prerequisite. i don't think pekora gives a single fuck about her fans but she's still hilarious.

>>57896799
>This girl really cares.
>No she doesn’t.
>Well, it doesn’t matter if she really cares.
You faggots will do any mental gymnastics to avoid admitting that you’re extremely lonely and being exploited.

>>57897030
I've never donated but I have subbed. Right now I am only subbed to three vtubers: Fauna, Shiori, and Akuma Numi.

>>57897119
>I am only subbed to three vtubers: Fauna, Shiori, and Akuma Numi
Holy shit taste. I'm having a hard time believing that this is post is not satire.

>>57897210
Your opinion has been noted and discarded.

>>57897119
>Numi
How do you even watch her after she got her ultra slut model instead of her tasteful slut model

>>57897302
Her old model was better I admit, but I still enjoy the awkward and tortured virgin act.

>>57897004
>genuine seeming sweethearts in holo
So Shiori too

>>57897412
>So Shiori too
>genuine
shiori might unironically be the most insincere in all of hololive

>>57897521
Based on what? Information yanked from your turgid asshole?

>>57897549
based on listening to her for more than 30 seconds. her entire existence screams "desperate grifter."

>>57897678
So turgid asshole yanking, got it.

>>57895515
>it's easy to be found attractive when you're attractive
Smartest normalfag

>>57888386
>>57890583
There are plenty of genuine pathologies that cause people to express love quickly

>>57896870
Giving money to anime girls to pretend that they like you is bad? Then wtf are you doing on /vt retard
>>57897521 not Sincere? The only way to tell a person is Sincere or not is to read thier fucking mind, so your argument is as stupid as your dad not using a condom.

>>57897521
>holo I like is a genuine sweetheart that cares for her viewers
>holo I don't like is grifting whore that is pretending to care for her viewers
You are a genuine pants on head retarded gorilla nigger working on backward logic

>Cover hires a whore to do whoring
>she whores fucking good
>people get angry about whores

>>57896799
>>57896784
>>57896755
Holy seething kek

>>57899102
Sad

Gura cares about her fans. She reads all the complaints and puts all the weight on her shoulders to ensure she gets what the fans wants. She already got two of the homos fired. She's going for what's left of the branch now before returning as a full time streamer.

>>57897865
I won't argue that anon, but it's still rubs me the wrong way, if she is genuine then good! But Im not sold desu

>>57881095
>>57882865
Came here to post this.

>>57899042
I don't see a lot of people being angry about Matsuri anymore anon, not sure how it's relevant to discussion.

>>57894653
Sora, Watame, Kanata, Nenechi, some might say Botan, Marine and Noel too. On EN only the one who learned what happens when you backstab your fans and have to enter watersports cosplay wrestling with fat ugly bastards.

>>57874582
Pay pigs have no shame

>>57900671
Only the most dedicated of schizos get angry at people like festival and la+ now even on the jp side.

>>57900901
I agree, just treat them as cute side character town bicycles, that's it. But he is saying that people mad at whores for being whores when it isn't the case with Shiori. gfe=/=whore, meme all you want, but that's the truth.

>>57901016
Oh I was just adding to your point. People here don't seem to understand that being a whore talking about fucking random people isn't the same as being a whore for (You).

>>57901128
Yeah, I feel like I'm insane one here when no one gets it.

>>57875015
No way... she's doing what Zoki wanted...

...she's replying to ALL fans...

...was he... ...right?

>>57875015
This is what Vox did to the chinese fujos. I dread to see what will happen in the future.

>>57875959
>A vtuber is pretending.
Getting a bit biased, are we?
All vtubers "care" until we get solid proof they don't. That's the illusion we decide to believe is truth.
Or rather, it is truth...until is not.

>>57901016
>>57901128
>pretends to be something you get sex from in exchange for money
>not a whore
Emotional prostitution is still prostitution

>>57901511
That dumb bitch got way in too deep, this is not that.

>>57876806
my oshi doesn't know what sleep is!

>>57874582
No-one has beaten Rushia's total and she's been gone forever. Hell, no-one has even beaten Coco's total. The point is, there are plenty of superchat harvesting strats out there if that's the game you want to play. Most people seemingly just don't want to though, probably because it's not the most efficient way of harvesting cash, between the YouTube cut and the Cover cut. Marine for example will only sometimes even bother to read reds. But sure, Shiori seems comfortable with it. If she can keep it up for many years and the vtubing fad doesn't die off too much in the meantime, maybe she'll overtake Rushia one day. The girls who focus their attention on things that aren't superchats will be more rich though.

You'll still give her money and support her when she does an occasional collab with a man, right?

>>57905482
>she'll overtake Rushia one day
Good luck overtaking at least Gura

>>57875015
Shiori is the Bettel of HoloEN.

>>57905482
You say that as if Coco and Rushia didn't also make fucking bank off merch and shit in addition to Supas. What a fucking retarded take. Just getting more money from supas doesn't reduce your other income sources.

>>57909433
there is an opportunity cost actually, the more of your fans' money goes into supas, the less they have to spend on your other stuff. People don't have infinite money. If you don't care and are just trying to bleed every cent you can get, then maybe it doesn't worry you that supas are inefficient in that most of it goes elsewhere other than to you, so long as you're getting some % of your fans' money.

After all, in general you're competing less with yourself and more with everything else they could spend their money on, so it doesn't necessarily matter too much. But the way the girls talk about it, optimizing your content to harvest supas seems like a less effective strategy compared to optimizing for viewership/clout and getting the big anken opportunities, even if you're just trying to maximize your earnings and don't care where it's coming from.

>>57908501
Won't happen

>>57897549
based on inviting chat to princess carry her after her second/third stream
She knows exactly what she's doing

Wait until she collabs with guys. She's an esl seanigger. It'll happen eventually, all of them collab with guys at some point. She already follows them on Twitter.

>>57894697
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>57874582
unironically because men are easy. All a woman has to do is be cute and show affection and a guy will be willing to spend a few bucks on her. The only way this falls apart is when the female has the inevitable woman moment

>>57911745
Relevant.

>>57911222
>Wait until she collabs with guys.
I'm pretty sure Shiori won't do that at this point. She must realize male collabs would utterly destroy her grift.

>>57874582
Shiori only cares about what her pay pigs thinks don't let her autism and charm fool you. She's in it for the money. Just like every other chuuba.

https://youtu.be/XHLZgumsMJc?si=C1NLNxqzcDQ7FJyX

>>57910811
This argument isn't a bad one, but I don't think it matters as much as you think.
People still will buy merch even if they donate a lot in superchat, if the emotional bond is strong enough. Just like gambling addicts will find the money somehow to deposit into the slots/roulette/blackjack if they are truly addicted.
But what I do agree is if you lean into GFE intensely, the content will not be as corporate friendly and overall viewership will go down being more niche. So perhaps less sponsorships because bad numbers/metrics for that.
But it's always a tradeoff and no matter what route you take, if you do it well you will be financially well off.

>>57874582
The runt of Advent

>>57914157
It's inevitable one channel will be last. If Shiori wasn't there it would be Bijou. Is Bijou bad? No.
Shiori isn't even that far behind, dogs aside they're all within 50K, not a huge amount.
When you consider her weak debut and her break, it seems to be Shori is doing quite well.
Sana was the runt of the gen, Shiori is just last.

>>57914157
it doesn't matter, she isn't optimizing for viewership. GFE content is more niche and will turn away lots of people
she beats the shit out of everybody when it comes to supa if you divide FWMC numbers by 2 since they have to share

>>57897000
what if I are the one fucking the woman, anon?

>>57874582
>Actually caring
rol
rumao even
keep the money going paypig

>>57875015
>>57893514
>>57893837
>Step by step the Rushia way
Now wait and see if Shiori is a pro actress or is an actual schizo. Godspeed, book nerd.

>>57917652
Don't worry, the anons will keep donating to her because they can fix and save her, they're the chosen ones.

>>57914385

Gave her a month to impress me but her leaning so hard into GFE and the fact she disappeared for a week after her debut killed my interest in her, and I unsubscribed last night because she doesn't do anything I'm into.

>>57896551
Pot calling the kettle black,
Kek

>>57918093
>Leaning so hard
Lol how fucking sensitive are you it's not even that intense,

>>57920656
How many times has she said she's your goth gf?

>>57921088
>Big tiddy goth gf model
>Calls herself a goth gf
She's terminally online anon, she knows the meme, it's really pretty tame.

>>57922046
Emphasis on "your".

>>57922436
If that's enough GFE to make you cringe you just aren't cut out for brining my dude lol, fucking EOPs

>>57922780
Sorry you're that deep into this grifting that you think something as blatant as that isn't even baseline anymore. Hope you get better.

>>57895515
Not for me
But I'm fat and ugly and soon balding

>>57911745
>>57911895
>be me
>lonely single since his birth
>kinda be prepared, if it ever happens, that a girl is nice to me, I will reject her
>but I know, I'm such a sucker, I fall for her
It already happened, it was at a street were prostitutes were
(At least, I know, what I was getting into, but it was still surprising for me, and weird tgat women asked me first, but I had no money back then, still felt great)

>>57924791
some women are into that.

>>57925809
Non in my area, unfortunatly