/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>59513635
If FuwaMoco aren't real humans, what are they?

>>59513676
Japanese AI-dolls.

>>59513635
>we

>>59513635
FAKE RUFFIANS GET OUT

>>59513635
Skill issue.
I hate vtubers who don't play the fictional character.
That would be just a fleshstreamer

>>59513635
>What we people are interested in most is other people, not fictional characters..
This Fuwawa is not real thing is getting out of hand...

They’re not your babysitters.
They don’t breastfeed you.
You cannot press your cheek on their (four) boobs, and feel their (four) nipples rubbing your face.

>>59513635
BAU BAU

>>59513635
>What we people are interested in most is other people
Most "real people" are ugly, malicious, miserable or boring just like you, the people on your screen in most cases are doing their job which heavily involves being likeable to their audience.

>>59513635
yeah true, they're unrelatable because they're so autistic about their rp. I realized I like it when vtubers share tidbits about their real lives like polka and nene, even if that is "parasocial". I think the best streamers know how to balance rp and venting on stream about personal problems to farm supas

>>59515085
>malicious, miserable
What makes some of /vt/ hate a certain person is what makes me like the same person, actually.

>>59514334
Dogs have eight boobs, Anonchama.

>>59513635
>we

>>59513635
>REAL humans
are they AIs????

>>59513635
it's crazy how with the most weebest of weeb we still can't get a holojp-style holoen

>>59513635
>i'm actually a mindbroken cuck who wants to be abused by narcissist females because i have accepted my place in the world.

>*edit* wow reddit gold omfg guys this is my first time

>>59513635
Who said you could decide what "people want"?

>>59515982
>people
At least you don’t count as one.

>>59513635
>What we people
>people
Subhuman cucks like you don't count as people and your opinion belongs in the trash just like your oshi.

>>59515674
It's because you can understand them in English. Even if you've learned to speak JP it's not the same as hearing someone in your native tongue and culture, act like a cringe weeb. If you think I'm full of shit, picture going to a maid cafe in your home town, with the kinds of girls there. Even if they're just as attractive as the maid girls in Japan, I'm sure you'd fucking die of cringe the second you heard some chick go
>Hello Meowster, nya I take your meowder?
and doing some catgirl pose

It is also cultural differences leading to different behaviour in a lot of the girls, but there's still several of them I can think of that basically behave 1:1 like the JP girls, just with the language swapped

>>59515917

>>59513635
BTFO from VT lol
U just stay at porn

>>59513635
>like mori, marine
Okay, and we ruffians literally want the exact fucking opposite. If you don't like FWMC, then you are free to leave us alone.

>>59513635
BAU BAU

>>59513927
Fuck... Audios, I guess...

>>59513635
you make this thread every day

>>59513635
Marine is playing a fiction character you retard.

>>59513635
>we
Don't talk for me. I love fiction over reality.

>>59516966
no one in this thread complained about them being cringe

>>59513635
You don't even watch them

>>59513635
>thinly veiled RMposting bait

>>59513635
Hey, I agree with you, but don't say "we". Some people actually do want the illusion, and some vtubers want to be that illusion for those people, so that relationship should be acknowledged and respected.

>>59516966
I fucking wished more English vtubers did this shit there's so little cute girl vr roleplay stuff. And the few that do it end up becoming twitch whores because it brings in more money.

>Already has a metric fuck tons of non kayfabe EN chuubas to watch
>Gets mad that kayfabe enjoyers get two chuubas .
>picrel

>>59515085
Don’t talk down to yourself like that anon im sure you’re a very nice man

>>59513635
Kill yourself tranny

>>59523606
what the fuck is a kayfabe
speak english, nigger

>>59513635
as the kids do say: "skill issue"

>>59513635
Go to twitch

>>59513635
>Normalfag is tired of the new shiny toys
Good, leave. And take your shitty whowawa reddit meme with you

>>59513635
People will call you a shitposter but I agree completely. I like FWMC from a curious interest of seeing twin vtubers with super devoted kayfabe, but that isn’t why you watch streamers. You only have the patience to sit down and watch 2+ hours streams every day for the human connection and they don’t feel like humans you could ever have a real conversation with.

>>59513635
>we
Go back to watching flesh bags, sister.

>>59523606
>kayfabe HAS to be boring

>we
kys homobeggar OP

>>59526937
That's my only problem with them. I would love for them to do a zatsu, but the rrat from Ruffians is they are afraid to do one because they might accidentally reveal something personal and ruin their kayfabe.

>>59513635
That's why their numbers are dropping while Shiori's keep going up.

>>59513898
>>59515982
>>59516859
"VTubers are real people" meta is cemented the moment Kizuna Ai skit lose relevance and L2D streamers are on the rise.
I don't have an emotional stake in this argument but OP, while being retarded bait about it, has legit point. (I also left Fuwamoco early for same reason)
But it is also what makes Fuwamoco unique. True kayfabe VTubers in big companies are incredibly rare (a dying breed if I should say). Fans who WANT Kayfabe will stick around for a long time.

>>59527165
>Shiori's keep going up.
Good one. Also congrats on Shiori and Flayon getting married.

>>59523606
Cut down on the sweets Patrick

>>59513635
>SAY HIS NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is that real enough for you novelite cuckold? Stop pretending to be a ruffian you faggot

>>59513635
Then it’s a good thing that there’s no shortage of what you’re looking for. I suggest Twitch.

>>59513635
I soft dropped them when they started sucking jap dick. Now I only catch the Zelda stream VODs. The cuckening completely killed the love I had for them.

>>59528338
You're weird

Are you trying to tell me Fuwawa laughing at Mococo when she plays Ocarina of Time isn't human? Are you also trying to tell me that Mococo's screams of rage aren't human either?

You guys act like you're watching a PBS Kids show when really Fuwamoco are just being normal and cute. Quit being retarded, go workout or something.

>>59513963
as a failed envtuber I'm so tired of all the "immersion breaks" and "vtuber vs irl" wtf are you even bothering with being a vtuber?

What happened to Niji today?

>>59513635
im also bored of them, but
>What we people are interested in most is other people, not fictional characters..
you are wrong

>>59527410
>ESL are real people

>>59528826
One of them graduated and couldn't even hit 1k. But there's also Shiori interacting with Tempus so it could be anyone deflecting.

>>59513635
>We
/vt/ is not your soapbox schizo.

Retarted threadreaders and clipwatchers
Imagine having vt as your oshi

>>59528589
>implying they watched the streams

>>59513635
BAU BAU

>>59513635
Disgusting. Go watch e-girl then

>>59529814
>Imagine having vt as your oshi
Why are you even here?

>>59527161
Please stop being retarded. They do zatsu shit all the time without even realizing it.

>>59513635
BAU BAU

>>59527410
>"VTubers are real people" meta is cemented the moment Kizuna Ai skit lose relevance and L2D streamers are on the rise
Yeah, until chuubas like Korone and Pekora came around and reminded everyone what vtubing is about. Anyone can have their 'real' moments, but the instant it becomes their main content, they might as well drop the avatar and become fleshstreamers. Wouldn't even be the first time it happens.

>>59513635
>Mori
>Kiara
Shit taste detected

>>59513635
Cry about it, but in silence.

>>59537488
You don't watch korone and pekora

>>59537488
>>59537488
>Yeah, until chuubas like Korone and Pekora
>Pekora
Pekora is a real life Bicth and this is not an insult is the reason people like her

>>59537843
>no argument
Almost everyone on this board have either watched or actively watches Korone and Pekora.
>>59538041
That's some impressive level of threadreading.

>>59513635
Seems like what you want is vshojo

>>59513635
>just throws that marine in there like he watches anything other than EN
Yeah stick to your n loving whores

>>59515674
>holojp-style holoen
They're more JP than about 70% of the JPs.

>>59538523
you're delusional

>>59538967
>you're delusional
Talking with you is pointless you dont understand people

>>59538275
>Almost everyone on this board have either watched or actively watches Korone and Pekora.
No, everyone on this board are faggot EOP clipwatchers like you

>>59538967
>you're delusional
But enough about you.
Try to actually take a few minutes and describe what YOU THINK the "JP-style" is and what the "EN style" is.

>>59539750
Cope, what I said is correct and you can't still come up with an argument.

S

>>59537488
>EOP take
Uh huh, yeah, sure thing man.

>>59534012
Vtubers are e-girls. Hololive EN and JP more. Cum eating cuckolds Holobronies Holofaggots Holonormies.

>>59541645
>still no argument
I literally don't know what to do with all these concessions I've been given anymore.

>>59542255
SEA, i..

>>59527410
>"VTubers are real people" meta is cemented the moment Kizuna Ai skit lose relevance and L2D streamers are on the rise.
>being THIS newshit
lurk 20 years in the jay

>>59513635
What the fuck are you talking about? They about normal shit like their likes or dislikes or what they had for dinner all the time. Or are you just mad that they never "get real" with their audience.

Okay. Watch them instead.

>>59516966
Japanese people do this too but for other things. Like how Japanese women are okay with dating a man with facial hair if it's on a white guy
it's based on humans naturally perceiving the very act of social deviance itself as an inherently dislikable trait
because we are smart enough to understand the notion of different cultures, and because our brain is smart enough to adjust its own subconscious social evaluations based on conscious input in certain cases including this one, we are able to see people raised in other cultures from a much more open minded perspective
it doesn't always break hard morals, though. Even when speaking Japanese, JP vtubers talking about cheating as if it's acceptable is an immediate drop for me, period. I know their culture strongly promotes that type of thinking, but I am not gracious enough to regard infidelity as anything but fucking evil and I have zero tolerance for it

>>59547815
B, but which one of them said cheating is ok?

>>59538523
So true, actually 100% of JPs.
They are the unreachable ideal of a JP vtuber that only EOP faggots like you can comprehend.

>>59513635
>Cuckbeat
Opinion invalidated.

>>59513635
Damn right sister, #cut4hex

Stop Bau Bau. It’s stupid.

>>59523969
go back

>>59513635
>And I realized what I wanted in vtubers were REAL humans behind cgi skins
There are plenty of flesh streamers for you to watch for that, 21er.

>>59523969
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kayfabe
Congratulations, you're officially illiterate.

>>59538041
So she have another channel just like noel?

>>59513635
>we want vtubers like Mori and Kiara
The most obvious bait ever gets 100+ replies? I guess it's just that easy

>>59558349
At least they expose their daily lives and history to viewers much more than others do.

>>59516966
I would love maid cafes in English. It's no less cringe than going to hooters

>>59539750
As if anyone hating fuwamoco isn't also EOP... go back to vshojo

>>59558534
Great. Then why do more people watch Gura and Fuwamoco than them? There's no popular demand for "real". People want to watch a character done well like Gura, Pekora, Korone etc

>>59558603
>maid cafes in English
What occurred to my mind was all waitress are like this, speaking in British accent with faces devoid of expression, and try to steal your cigarette when they serve dishes.

>>59558917
>more people watch Gura and Fuwamoco than them
It's demand for "loli".

>>59513635
Fuwamoco have been pretty real this whole time. The bit of kayfabe and acting they do for the jokes is done in good fun and doesn't detract at all from their genuine moments.

Their character making should have been done in this fashion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmNVvUCgdX0

>>59513963
>I hate vtubers who don't play the fictional character.
So, like... 99% of all vtubers

No, Pekora saying "-peko" is not playing a character.

>>59562873
it absolutely is

>>59542255
Niji having a rough week huh?

>>59562913
No, it's not.

She brought her IRL mom onto her stream. Giving her a cute name doesn't suddenly make her mom part of the fiction. She and every other Holo constantly talks about their activities IRL. Sure is convenient that all these fictional characters just happened to get isekai'd into Japan, huh? There is no meaningful difference between the "character" of Usada Pekora and the talent embodying her, and no distinction is even being attempted.

Vtuber kayfabe is in almost every single instance, surface-level, half-assed and mostly forgotten. Nobody actually commits to playing a character. The entire idea of this went straight out the window as soon as livestreaming took over as the dominant medium for vtubing.

>>59563284
Your glow is showing. I suggest going back.

>>59513635
That's natural. You don't binge watch Sesame Street or whatever children's show they got running nowadays. Same thing goes for FWMC. They adopted the Saturday morning show format willingly, so large quantities of them being grating for adults comes with the territory.

>>59563486
You really can't muster even the weakest rebuttal
Glad you've got Fuwamoco at least, 'cause the rest of the industry left you behind years ago dude

>>59513635
>he thinks Marine is real

>>59564434
ok, so what kind of personal history you can share with your beloved "dogs"?
A doujin game she made when 14yo? manga she drew 12 yo? the experience of being a cooperate slave in Japanese sweatshop company?
None of them.
All that you got are
>I like ramen. baubau! We sleep in the same bunkbed, baubau!
enjoy your show!

>>59559052
Wait anon, I think you're on to something

>>59563284
Ah yes uhh.. let's just forget Pekora wanted to dominate the world, turning everyone into Pekora, being a CEO of Usaken (even Moona still call her shachou), and becoming a demon king in Rust

I will actually be impressed and worried cause that sounds like the talent has major chuuni issues

So, what do you want FuwaMoco to do so that you can realize they're actually the same human as we are?

>>59513635
As much as people love maintaining kayfabe around here, I tend to find the best kayfabe can easily be mistaken for reality. Chuubas that go deep into character just end up feeling artificial to me, i want to at least be convinced that i’m just watching an interesting person since I find that easier to relate to.

>>59559052

It's not the kayfabe. They just seem too distant. They don't let us know anything about them. It's like they built a huge wall between them and the viewers.

>>59558603
It would be incredibly more cringe than Hooters.

>ctrl + f
>bau
kek

>>59539750
projectorchama...
荒らすより配信見ろgmks

>>59568733
>Chuubas that go deep into character just end up feeling artificial to me
this is why I don't watch hololive

>>59570268
> feeling artificial to me
It’s because you don’t watch hololive, even clips.

>>59563284
You just forgot her whole thing about year of the rabbit and the rabitfication project?

>>59569277
Bau

>>59570268
A bit of kayfabe is usually fine, a decent amount of Holo talents aren't too ovebearing with kayfabe, but others aren't enjoyable to me. I still respect the effort it takes to maintain a character, it's just not all that entertaining when I know it's all fake.

>>59513635
Worst thread op I have ever seen

>>59513635
So, you dont want vtubers.

>>59513676
subhumans

Are antis so desperate to shit on these two that they're complaining that they're too good at their job? I remember when the appeal of vtubers was that they weren't bargain bin e-whores who would bitch about their problems to their audience. I guess we've come full circle.

>>59563284
Nobody expects perfect kayfabe, jesus.

>>59577077
>Are antis so desperate to shit on these two that they're complaining that they're too good at their job?
Yes.
Have you seen the threads complaining that they speak too much Japanese?
It's not only for them. Bijou also gets threads shitting on her for "streaming too much" and "doing too many collabs".

>>59513635
can't believe so many fell for this obvious bait

>>59513676
Guard dogs!

Wow this obvious bait is still up?
Lets bump it, Hololive bad ect ect

>>59513635
>we
leave and don't come back. vtubing will always be a fun larp thing. reality entertainment is the cancer corrupting humanity.

>>59577077
Overacting doesn't make someone a good actor though

>>59513635
Hello Re**it.

>>59513635
But they're great.