/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

why do you care, faggot

>>59608464
because you do

>>59608337
That's their business strategy, they never gave a shit about indies, they only exist to poach talent with deals that seem better than they actually are

>>59608337
yehaw

Pretty sure they full on embrace it at this point.

Why is that a bad thing? They've had tremendous success with it.

bitxh

>>59608722
That's the thing. They don't even have to lie to give them a deal that's better than Niji's 2%.

i will be throwing myself into a bottomless chasm if i get banned...!

>>59609033
>haven't done anything notable in a long while
>seem to have been ostracized
>tremendous success

What a fucking faggot, every he said on his way out was a fucking lie. It honestly makes the rest of them look even worse for how much they defended him.
Hes a faggot menhera and easy to one guy, I look forward to his many rants and breakdowns.

>>59609710
>probably third most popular and monetarily successful vtuber agency period
>not successful because Random McWhogivesafuck on /vt/ says so

>>59608337
Only antis cares about it anyway
Pic related let go of his biggest talent on purpose so she could grow (and he couldn't be arsed to expand)

>>59609033
Because every time they poach someone they burn another bridge. Other corpos are keeping a close eye on this behavior and will start forbidding contact with members from vshitshow

>>59610286
rofl and that's the fault of VShojo? Why wouldn't it be the fault of the black corpos that ostracized the talent in the first place?

>>59609710
>>59610021
Shitposter basically went with
>Vshojo only have 8% market
When it's 1/10 the size of Holo Production lole. Let alone Anycolor.
# are seething on this anomalous situation because average Vshojo beat average Holos and Nijis, even if top Holo and top Niji beat them.

You literally beg for every other company's talents and its okay
Vshojo actually gets them by offering a better deal and you seethe and shit your pants?

>>59610286
Two weeks sisters
Trust the plan

>>59610404
Ostracized? Something is wrong with everyone that ditched their colleagues to suck Connor's dick. Just luck at the talents and tell me they're not a bunch of fucking Menheras. They need to go to a mental institute, not join another agency.

>>59610688
They ditched a money-grubbing, predatory nightmare. If you think that's a bad thing then you're the problem.

>>59610688
>They need to go to a mental institute, not join another agency.
All Vtubers are mentally ill, anon
Your oshi is not some miracle exception

>>59610959
God fucking dammit I miss old Lucy so fucking much FUCK

>>59608337
Allegations? Did they ever deny it?

>>59609855
SO TRUE SISTER HOW DARE HE DEFY OUR GOD AND OSHI RIKUCHAMA MOTHERFUKER WANTED MORE THEN 2% WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT SHOULD BE GRATEFUL TO GET 2% FUCKING SLAVE DARES TO DEFY ITS MASTERS!!!

>>59608337
Vshojo is the ff14 of vtubers

Im ok with this

>>59611273
Nope but antis are still going to recite it like it's a gotcha

>>59612251
>Buzzword buzzword buzzword
Is this the best your discord bot could spit out?

>>59609490
Yeah and better than holo too i guess lol

>>59608337
more like Poach Shojo

>>59612375
What exactly is the buzzword he used their?

>>59612251
So true VSister #cut4kuro

>>59608337
I have said this multiple times they want to be the smash bros of vtubing, make people go "Oh I hope my ______ goes to vshojo and leaves _______ it will be so HYPE"

>>59608337
>nepotism goes so far that they'll even hire males into V"shojo"
really lmaos my rumao

>>59608337
THE SAVIOR OF INDIES (only hires their personal friends who already have established fanbases from bigger companies)

>>59612517
Nobody joined vshitshow because they weren't getting paid well in holo.

>>59612375
>>59612599
You need to face it sisters you lot have a problem with bootlicking the black company, i don't like vshitshow too and the way he did it is indeed spiteful, but why did he go to such lengths to harm kurosanji? He must have a reason for this no? He hated (you) lot specifically also nijisanji which probably mistreated him alot.

>>59613118
did they say that they are the savior of indies or are you just rambling nonse ?

>>59613775
>mysta was passed at kurosanji for canceling his concert
>vshojo gave Henya a concert in month 4 around when Mysta left
Not hard to put 2 and 2 together

Hope bae joins vwhorejo

>>59613775
>>59614007
>only members to graduate were 2 horrible menheras
>the source of the 4chan leak was likely Mysta himself
>the source of the 2% rumor was Mysta
>Mysta has spent the past year getting assmad and trying to tank the careers of every other Niji member because of a cancelled concert
>/vt/ sisters have been getting manipulated by him this whole time

>>59614789
The holobronies made her bawl her fucking eyes out on stream today, it probably won't be long

>>59614892
>rumour
Don't even try sister, kuzuha has confirmed this before your biggest defence at the time was "W-WE ALREADY KNEW ABOUT THIS YOU NEWFAGS DON'T KNOW SHIT Y-YEAH!".
Do you unironically wish to tell me 2% is not a shitty cut?

god, this company is such a joke

>>59612517
>better than holo
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>59608337
>creates nothing and only steals
Black company

>>59615591
How does it feel to be a chink Mystake sister and having to deal with your oshi being in the same company as Kson?

>>59615962
Who is that? Some 2view?

>>59616909
Sister this is just sad.... stop crying you should use something else to delflect.

>>59615591
>2% of money that is made without you having to lift a finger
It's literally a bonus. Free money.

>>59617280
No seriously I've never seen them stream.

>>59608337
there's nothing they can do about it
wasting money on some random 2view is too risky and the big indies like filian and shylily are unaffordable

>>59608337
What's wrong with that? I'm genuinely curious because it looks like that little scheme with hiring experienced people who want to do their own stuff after being dissatisfied with their old place of work works well for them.

>>59617410
Vshojo gives 100% of channel revenue to streamers and a bigger cut of merch, sister. Henya is bewildered that Vshojo makes money at all. Maybe it's gunrun's backpack autism.

>>59608337
ah yes the Redbull racing academy of Vtuber.

I will now forever call VShojo a retirement home

>>59617757
I thought the deal was Vshojo keeps 100% of the money from merch they make but doesnt stop talents from having their own merch stores on the side. If the deal is that good why did Vei and Nyanners even leave?

>>59617892
Its more like moving up the corpo ladder.

>>59617757
>Vshojo gives 100% of channel revenue to streamers
rumao
now you're literally lying

>>59618064
Immediately after they left they started mocking people who got panicky over the word Retard on their collab so maybe they're just sick of the other people in it.

>>59618229
Proof next thread?

>>59618064
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY would take a deal that loses them 100% of merch sales. The exact cut VShojo takes on merch is unknown, but it's clearly good enough to remain competitive, while not touching stream income.

>>59618229
This is and has been known since VShojo launched.

They do not touch any revenue made directly by their channels. Subs, bits, donos, memberships and superchats if they're on YouTube. All to the talent.
VShojo makes their money on merch, events and sponsors.

>>59618619
you made the claim retard
you're the one that needs to prove it

>>59610286
you've been saying that since 2020

>>59618886
Proof is they all said it at the very beginning. There would've been no reason for large successful indies like Mouse and Nyan to join if they lost money.

>>59618787
Heavy emphasis on sponsorships.
(and backpacks)

>>59619102
>Proof is they all said it at the very beginning.
Where is it?
You made a very bold claim of them giving 100% of channel revenue to the streams.
Prove it.
Also
>Nyan to join
She also left
Can I use that as proof that vshoujo is a black company just like niji then?

>>59618886
>>59618787
It's part of VShojo's big selling points. Direct donos and subs VShojo takes no cut from. They only take a cut from merch they helped organize and produce and sponsorships they acquired. If a sponsor comes to the talent themselves they don't take any money from it, and if the talent takes the initiative to handle their own merch outside of VShojo's resources then they don't take any money from that either.

>>59619476
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dor-lBUwt5k&t=2575s

>>59619703
>donations
That's one thing. You said 100% of all revenue.
All revenue includes a lot more than just donations

>>59619882
100% of CHANNEL revenue dumbass. That means direct donations and subs. If you're going to argue semantics and say that merch and sponsorships falls under channel revenue then go for it, but everyone else knew what that meant.

>>59619882
CHANNEL revenue, you fucking mongloid. Enjoy Bae leaving btw.

I'm amazed there are still newfags who don't know how vshojo's business works when this shit gets discussed ad nauseam every single time someone joins the company

>>59620352
It's also literally the simplest shit on the planet and how nearly every normal talent agency works

>>59620138
>>59620298
>100% of CHANNEL revenue
was never said
She said 100% of donations, and she said she gets subs too (without qualifying with the 100% she used for donations she only said she gets it too)
She never mentioned anything from ad money.

>Enjoy Bae leaving btw.
I really would I hope you're right.

>>59619882
If you wanna get technical.
They get 100% of all revenue in their own branding, this means Twitch, Youtube, Tiktok, Patreon, CB (for Mel) and more. VShojo doesn't take anything from them. But they do take revenue of something, and that is their official highlights videos and Tiktok. But that's penny money compared to other stuff, I just mentioned it. Still where VShojo takes a major cut is sponsors and merch, which are what most of the money of a vtuber/content creator usually comes more, like in huge bags of money.

>>59620510
>Tiktok
>penny money
aren't you a bit too old to be posting on 4chan, grandpa?

>>59620504
they own their channels, vshojo has no claim on them at all, they just get money from the sponsorships they bring them and the merch they peddle

>>59620724
Anon, they have their own Tiktok. You are allowed to create those in VShojo, most of the girls have their own. If you add that they have the Twitch and Youtube, and other platforms money, it IS penny money.

>>59617757
>>59618064
Vshojo's only weakness is their weak sponsorship reach. Vei's primary issue for example is it's easier to suck her boyfriend's cock for sponsorships rather than asking Gunrun to find one.
Both Holo and Niji doesn't have this issue. However, aside from this, I never hear anything about VShojo being financially worse option.
As for Niji 2% meme, remember that Anycolor funded all the merch while Cover has the talent frontload the capital themselves (some of the girls even anxious about it). We don't know the details, but Vshojo merch system is much closer to Niji than Holo, with Vshojo frontloading investment for merch and reaping more than 50% of the profit, but how much the VTuber earns we still don't know.

>>59608337
Mysta left, he wasn't fired.

>brain rotted mono cells corpo drones who don't know how a talent first agency works.

>>59620890
That I do know and I know it's a fact that the girls do own their own brand and get to keep it after they leave the company.
Why would anybody leave such a supposed "dream company" is a mystery. Probably has something to do with not being that much of a dream company at all.

Hi lig, how are you doing today? I don't usually post in here but I want to shill this jp indie in piece. She's super cute and is doing a karaoke stream! Her english is really bad but she have a translator and is trying her very best! https://www.twitch.tv/kqsii

>>59621172
>why would you leave company if it's not bad???
I dunno, maybe because another company struck a better deal?
The way it works in every other industry to ever exist?

>>59617757
>>59620955
Oh I forgot that VOMS kept 100% of merch profit, which again even worse than Niji by technicality, but talents also keep youtube and sponsor money. Being much smaller corpo, this evens out since there's not much VOMS merch to begin with.
People need to remember the details, cherrypicking is for subhuman faggots.

>>59621172
Simply ego and Jealousy

Even in paradise island you can't have it good when people hate each their guts. it's one of the downsides of talent freedom if someone or two are a cunt.

>>59621447
a better than 100% revenue?
how does that even works?
also didn't one of the girls left to be an indie?

>>59620724
Tiktok is really only amazing money if it's your only source of income, nd you have a huge audience. They have neither, and use it primarily as an extra source of advertising to audiences.

>>59621172
vei and silver are / were literally dating the multi-millionaire owners of another twitch-centric talent agency, with vei hating vtubers in general since before joining vshojo, and silver holding menhera resentment over not being the most popular in the group
nyanners talked at length about her reasons for leaving and it was mostly because she preferred to be solo than be part of a group
of course mythic also promised them a better contract but what this contract entails we do not know
what's readily observable is that they have a lot less responsibilities as part of mythic which was definitely a big factor in vei leaving, but also seemingly less opportunities in terms of merch / sponsorships / convention appearances / etc, they've really just been getting the same twitch bounties as every other big streamer

>>59621441
well she can just ask asmongold to hire her, she'll be in the same company as silvervale .

>>59621725
are you unironically retarded?

>>59621725
>100% revenue
This is standard practice for every agency that isn't Japanese or following Hololive's example
If you signed to Mythic, MSM, GeeXPlus, UTA or whatever else, you will also be allowed to retain all direct channel revenue.
That's normal.
>also didn't one of the girls left to be an indie?
All three are currently signed to Mythic

>59621973
>are you unironically retarded?
No I'm not a vshoujo fan

>>59620955
50/50 on that one, VShojo has a certain range, it's really weird to really dissect it, because some of the girls in VShojo, both former and current, have done sponsorship that goes from how (MOCOPI, Capcom, GoodSmile, Namco, Hi-Rez, etc) to I get it (Mihoyo), the problem really boils down to Ironmouse and Zentreya right now, because those two are in the UTA, because those two got sponsors like Minecraft, Microsoft and Gamestop, etc. Mythic (Vei's boyfriend company that hired the three that left) is basically OTK's sloppy seconds, Nyanners had recently a Lies of P sponsor, and I'm not kidding, the link of the sponsor had straight out OTK in the link. Plus this really funny pic of them just straight out misinforming people of their sponsors when they started

Not saying that Mythic doesn't really have a better contract in terms of sponsorship, but you can see where it goes.

>>59622023
So Mythic > Vshoujo then right?

>>59622023
>This is standard practice for every agency that isn't Japanese or following Hololive's example
Does make you wonder why girls still apply to be in such awful companies like Hololive then

>>59622229
Not necessarily, because shockingly, the world is more complicated than simple binaries.
Zen was also approached by Mythic and she turned them down. Aethel, too.
Vchiban (Buffpup, Shiabun, AICandii and Rosedoodle) were signed to Mythic and but since left and signed with MSM.

There is a lot more to an agency that just the revenue split.

>>59622229
Mythic also isn't a traditional vtubing corpo. You won't be getting group collabs, concerts, or con appearances under Mythic as a brand. They can help you do that, but 99% of the people in Mythic have probably never said a word to one another, while VShojo is very tightknit, does events together, attends cons as an organization, etc.

Basically if you want to be more like a normal streamer or you can't get into a corpo then Mythic is the better option. Nyan wanted to be solo, Vei thinks vtubers are cringe, and Silver had personal beef with people in the company, so they all went there.

>>59622529
>There is a lot more to an agency that just the revenue split.
That's not what was said by the guy that started this entire argument.

>>59622229
Really depends on the content you wanna do and the willingness to do stuff, before leaving Vei was able to be in both Mythic and VShojo, several people like Hime (GeexPlus), Zentreya, Ironmouse (UTA), Nazuna (I can't remember the name where Mike is now at) and GEEGA (MSM), meaning that VShojo contracts can be shared, and only the real difference is when you have to deal with one and the other.

Also Mythic you are still up do your shit, like if Nyan wants to make an apperance in some con, you can get help, but it's like Mythic is gonna bring it there, VShojo does that. Hence their multiple apperances at cons, events and even more stuff.

>>59620504
Holy shit fucking kill yourself
>>59617757

oh, so that Kuro K9 is Nina?

>>59623086
Mysta

>>59623617
wait he's already graduated? I thought he was dragging it out

>>59622023
and all 3 are slowly bleeding, vei doesn't give a shit, silver can't even keep 10 of the 30k raids asmon send her way and nyan is just a parrot for the same jokes aethel already told 2 days early

>>59623891
It's not that dragged out, one month vs 2 weeks average. And honestly Pikamee ALSO had one month from her return to graduation.
People bitched about Mysta here because he's Niji, no more no less.

>>59622760
anon are you maybe deep into the spectrum?

>>59608337
this was never something negatively notable until they announced auditions only to keep scouting friends of their talents like they've been doing since the beginning, they should've just not announced anything

>>59608337
They're Mythic's triple-a farm team now

>>59608337
>fired corpos
Kuro wasn't fired and Geega and Haruka were not corpos.

>>59622474
>vshojo only pooching famous/popular vtuber for their cliques
>hololive hire a noname 2view and provide merch, 3d live, managerial support(aka personal maid)
Yea, why would anyone with a brain not joining vshojo, it's such an obvious choice.

>>59615299
QRD?

>>59615299
>>59628614
Nah, it's not holobronies. The pressure from 3D and shenanigans involved made her cry.
What people need to realize that being part of prestigious company comes with immense burden like this, and not everyone is capable of shouldering it.

Does Vshojo pay for the models or do the scouted talents pay for them?

>>59627889
>merch, 3d live, managerial support
VShojo does that too, and significantly faster. Henya and Kuro debuted with merch, and Henya was included in the concert only a couple months after she joined.

>>59629076
We don't know

>>59629076
>>59629152
The talents pay for their own models. But VShojo can get into contact with artists for them if they need extra clout. That also means artists can commission models as often as they like, as Ironmouse so frequently does. Kuro even mentioned his 3D model is already in the works.

>>59610413
>You
No, I didn't.
This is why ad hominem sucks, it can only defend you against your most vulnerable opponents.

>>59629127
Are you retarded or did you not get the point? No one can join vshojo, they poach, so it's irrelevant when discussing what's the best agency to join when it isn't an option

>>59617410
Lol no merch is the biggest money maker, nijisanji knows this very well they make the cheapest shit and sell it at atrocities margins it's just a way to maximize profit and minimising talents share.
Not to mention merch only sells because of the vtuber even if it is "free money" 2% is far too unreasonable.

>>59608337
>They're never beating the "nepotism retirement home for fired corpos" allegations.
Well lets take a look at the numbers
Number of "fired corpos" - 1 - Nazuna
........
,....
...
Yeah, I think they beat that allegation.

>>59630267
And who joins Hololive? 5 people they select a year? At best? How different is that really? At least VShojo is widely integrated with the Twitch vtubing scene. If you make it big as a vtuber you're bound to have interactions with them. People can call nepo hire all they want, but the fact of the matter is that 99% of the big names in Twitch vtubing would be considered a nepo hire because they're just that frequently scene.

>>59617531
Sorry sister i forgot that you are retarded... hololive is the biggest vtuber agency in the world i guess you should look them up nijisanji is just massproduced slop at this point.

>>59628766
sounds like black company to me

>>59629127
I don't really get why you are trying to compare a small company like vshitshow to hololive, they really don't have an advantage in any front the concert probably did numbers on their wallet, that shit costs a lot of money to produce while holo gives out 2 3d lives every year to jp (and hopefully soon to overseas branches) plus all the other paid concerts.
Not to mention you are going to be a lot more popular in hololive just because you are a holo.

>>59630567
>And who joins Hololive? 5 people they select a year?
Anon you might want to count how many members vshojo has gotten in its existence
And even ignoring vshojo you can get in hololive as a complete nobody, which means literally anyone can join and will want to join

>>59630734
A common argument against this image is that Vshojo has less talents, but I don't think more talents would bolster their viewership up much, they would be spread thinner between channels. Unless they continue to poach former corpos and hire new 4view indies, but they appear to be doing that as much as they can already and they're not getting that many hires.
None of the talents Vshojo has have the viewership they do because of Vshojo. They simply do not have any brand power of their own. Hololive can hire an indie who barely manages to average 100 viewers and now she averages in the high thousands. Could Vshojo do that? I doubt it, and that's why they don't.

>>59631122
They let you produce the content you want, you keep control of your IP, less autism over game perms, you can produce and sell your own merch, you can dual wield agencies etc

There's quite a few advantages they have although if it's about money and viewers you are better served in Holo (assuming you're female, which Kuro isn't.)

>>59631125
??? VShojo launched with 5 members, and they've added 9 since then for 14 total. That's a reasonable number. As a point of comparison, HoloEN launched with 5 members, and has added 11 since then for a difference of only 2.

>>59631400
>None of the talents Vshojo has have the viewership they do because of Vshojo
Every hire so far got a viewership boost and all the ones who left declined, so there's definitely more brand power than some people give them credit for.

>>59631600
Initially when they were a newer company and there was hype around that yes, but if you look at a more recent hire like Geega, she seems to be returning to her pre-Vshojo average.

>>59631599
>Hololive this Hololive that
>"I-I meant HoloEN"
Every time

>>59631732
No, she's still far above her regular pre-shojo average.

>>59631807
Did 5 people a year not tip you off? You know there's more than one branch and Holostars too right. I would've thought that context would've made it simple enough to infer that it was EN specifically being discussed, because that's the space that VShojo operates in.

>>59631839
A couple hundred isn't "far above"

>>59608337
Literally all this brand does is ride the coattails of others' fame and act like they are heroes for it. No, they are not saviors. If someone got really famous and wealthy and then fired like Rushia or straight up quit like Mysta or Coco, regardless of being dissatisfied with their prior arrangements all that fame and wealth had nothing to do with vshojo. They are like a meta next level version of twitch itself, leeching their way to success.

My opinion of them was already at the bottom so can't get any lower, but I do think it is evident that their very existence is a detriment to vtubing in being the cheating third option for people who fuck up or bratty narcissist assholes who think they are better than the companies that objectively got them their fans and wealth. The twitch meta of vtubing has always been basically a cargo cult, trying to do it without understanding how it works or why. Vshojo seeking legitimacy in this aspect by hiring ex Holos and Nijis, both companies of which are together explicitly responsible for this entire scene, this board's existence etc, is like something between stolen valor and a decorator crab glueing more shit to itself to try to be something it is not - a part of the real environment.

>>59631807
Nigga out here really thinkin he got a gotcha by being a pedantic retard lmao

>>59631976
Predates your jp corpos

>>59631939
She went from her streams getting 1200-1500 viewers to 2000-5000, that's a pretty substantial increase.

>>59631858
Vshojo has a JP branch too you know, the one with 3 members after nearly a year, 2 of which speak english.
But regardless that isn't important and you're still ignoring the main point, it's impossible to get into vshojo on purpose, Hololive can be entered as a nobody, that's why nearly everyone would go with hololive

>>59632067
you will never walk again

Have they done another audition since that Nux thing? I can't remember if they did.

>>59629127
Yes anon, being in a company that poaching the top vtuber in the world meant they need to accommodate them faster than recruiting a literal 2view from the street of bangkok. you do know why people love a company that lift a nobody and make them a star than a famous vtuber going into a retirement home, right?

>>59631976
I like that in this example it's always the individual's fault that they're leaving a company, and not the fault of the company they're leaving. Because that's the only way to reasonably be that mad about VShojo picking up talents who've left their prior companies.

>>59632067
She also was a 2view for years before said corpos made the scene actually into something and then pretends like she had anything to do with that. She did not. Same goes for Melody. They are more like Cambrian fossils of extinct lineages than direct ancestors to today - this is something their fans depserwtley pretend is not true but fucking obviously is for anyone who cares to look at the data. She's a dinosaur going 'how do you do fellow mammals" @the modern scene.

>>59632190
How would it simultaneously be a nepo hire and impossible to get in on purpose? You don't think every new member was someone that they knew and were friends with before VShojo even launched do you? Haruka didn't have substantial interactions with anyone in the group until mid 2021, and didn't join until the end of 2022. Geega was a literal 2view at the start of 2022, and joined a month ago. They're going out, meeting new people, making new friends, and those people are the ones that have joined.
>>59632248
Difference of perspective. One person views it as a retirement home. Another views it as the superior option, given that people are literally leaving their company for it.

>>59632158
Many of her post-debut streams are averaging under 2k, it's pretty easy to see that she's going to return to her pre-debut numbers.

>>59631976
Acting as a safety net with much better working conditions for big ex-corpo vtubers seems like a good thing for the industry. If Vshojo actually becomes a threat with this strategy, companies like Nijisanji will have to treat their talents better, or risk being slowly eaten by companies like Vshojo.

>>59632436
>Many of her post-debut streams are averaging under 2k
Why would you lie?

>>59631400
Yeah that's why comparing them is stupid. hololive has around 20 talents that have a higher average then 10k which is insane but it gets more insane the higher you go 15k, 20k, 30k they are reaching numbers that big streamers on twitch reach just short of the top once, without things like drops if they wanted to they can give them a run for their money in watch hours but thats not how they produce their content.
They practically exist in a different dimension, as long as Holojp exists EN and ID will remain at the top of their market, not to mention cover treats their talents rather well so it is going to be people's first choice.

>>59632258
People can leave if they don't wanna be there, but a bottom feeder taking in others who did the work to build up the names is just pathetic and they deserve no credit or kudos for just being ultimate leeches. It's no wonder suddenly vei/silver/nyanners left at the drop of a fucking hat over some vague contract shit, vshojo is even less a family or legit organization than even the blackest of black companies because like it or not the companies are objectively able to take nobodies and, sometimes, turn them into stars. Vshojo takes stars and turns them into nobodies.

>>59632485
You can leave in shame now, we're done here.

>>59632431
>How would it simultaneously be a nepo hire
I have never once said they were nepo hires you mouth breathing retard. Vshojo has a ton of orbiters that may as well be part of Vshojo yet they don't get poached so it's clear being friends isn't enough, whatever it is they're extremely selective so no one has any chance of getting in on purpose.

>>59632067
She was a streamer but not a vtuber if you are going to use this logic then most of holo/nijijp has been streaming for a decade.

>>59632575
>ad stream
ok, anti.

>>59632447
No one that vshojo wants to poach needs vshojo, Vshojo needs them. If you're a 0.0001% streamer you don't need a company, as an indie you can do whatever the fuck you want if you have more than 2 braincells

I do wish they would take more risks instead of just signing in already established vtubers. like what's even the point? why is it exciting? it's just the same exact content they'd always make just under the vshojo name. henya? kuro? nazuna? kson? the same as they always were. It'd be more exciting if they brought in new talent

Yeah I'm gonna be real, I don't have a problem with nepotism if you aren't using it to fuck over others. Just don't pretend like you achieved your success all on your own because that "foot in the door" advantage is like 80% of success.

>>59632639
She's been a vtuber for as long as she's streamed. She used facerig when she was starting out.
>>59632575
I seriously don't know why people bother making shit up when it comes to Twitch numbers when they're so incredibly easy to fact check. Here's a bunch of her most recent streams, and only 3 of them are sub 2k, with 1 of those being because of an ad. Pre-VShojo you can look at her numbers just as easily and she would struggle to hit 1.5k with 1-1.2k being her normal.

You guys have to start looking up definitions of words before using them.

>>59632777
to be fair, don't they all do this? No one at cover aside from like Sora I think was a literal who, they were all established youtubers/nnd streamers/vtubers before joining hololive. It just makes sense, hire people who already know how the game works.

>>59632916
So a bit above 2k for non-collab streams, big fucking difference.

>>59632777
>I do wish they would take more risks
Why change something that works well for them?
It's not like they will stagnate with the current system any time soon and the one time they tried to take a risk it bite them in the ass.

>>59632067
Most JP corpo members predate the corpos themselves.

>>59632987
This isn't an argument since Gen 5 anon, Holo has more fresh blood than anyone

>>59633045
That's an increase of over 60%, nothing to sneeze at.

>>59632770
99% of indies are signed with an agency of some kind though. It's just that the vast majority of them aren't of the vtuber corpo vein. Mythic, MSM, GG Talent, even fucking UTA. VShojo's just another option that's specialized within its field if you want to go that route.
>>59632608
Well obviously they can't accept all their orbiters, that would take an enormous amount of resources to manage that many people and they'd then basically monopolize Twitch vtubing as a whole. So if you're mad that they only accept some of their orbiters then I don't know what to tell you except that it's dumb as fuck to be mad about that.

>>59632987
Yep, but established doesn't mean big. One of my twitch cuubas has been a low 3view for over a year. She's established because she's part of a 2view group and collabs with other small chuubas from time to time, but isn't "big" no matter how you look at her.

>>59631400
That chart includes JP vtubers, of course VShojo would look tiny.

>>59633048
>and the one time they tried to take a risk it bite them in the ass.
Because they were insanely incompetent? Also this is fucking vtubing company not a movie studio, taking risks cost nothing in comparison to what the potential gains are, specially when you're already established

>>59633048
I mean I can understand that it's just after the initial teasing of a new member and then the debut it's just.. business as usual except they can put vshojo in their twitch. i'm not sure it's really caused any huge buff in viewer numbers in the long run

>>59633045
I mean I only took what I could fit on screen at once. If you wanted me to scroll down a bit you could have asked.

>>59631599
>a difference of only 2
Neat. How does that bolster your argument of holoEN hiring too few people to the point of them not being worth it to apply? That's even ignoring the well known fact they don't accept applications at all, you have to be invited/poached after already establishing yourself somewhere else.

>>59633226
Henya got a huge boost compared to her past life.

>>59633244
And those post-debut numbers plummeted fast. Are you done grasping yet?

>>59611121
Give me the rrats. Who is she? I've seen another anon lamenting her current persona.

>>59633201
So you want to remove nazuna's views from that and make it look even worse lol?

>>59633159
I like how you derailed this entire thing into something completely irrelevant when the only point I made is that anyone, literally anyone can get into hololive while that wasn't possible in vshojo because you can't argue against that

>>59633296
No I just wanted to also bring attention to the stream hours and frequency of streaming because that shit's funny to me.

>>59633221
>Because they were insanely incompetent?
If you think that then why would you want to take them another huge risk?
Unless you want them to fail of course.

>>59633226
>business as usual
I would say that depends more on what their goals are.

>>59633350
NijiEN would be dwarfed by HoloEN

>>59633417
>fail one time
>never try anything ever again
Sounds reasonable, never start a company anon

>>59633553
I'm not saying they can't try anything new, I'm saying they don't have to try anything new right now since what they have works and a risk is a risk.

>>59632258
no you fuckwit. the reason they left their previous company doesnt matter. they only do that for people with clout. vtubing is huge now, there are plenty of talented people who are indies or in small corpos who failed, do you see vshojo extenting a hand to them? no you dont. they dont give a shit. they dont care about helping talents, they care about people who got into nijisanji or hololive because they bring instant clout. theyre also 100% banking on the fact people know its them, so they can look like saviors.
nijisanji and hololive hire unknowns, vshojo poach them after they become recognizable names. i dont understand how anyone can think this is acceptable

>>59633742
I think it's acceptable because they can only poach from companies who don't treat their talents well.

>>59608337
I love nijichinks erupting at his debut. Lol
You can only see this type of hostility from Nijisanji.
Other corpo talent graduates:
Fans wish them luck and few will follow/support them in their reincarnations, fellow talents wish them luck.
Meanwhile Nijisanji liver graduates:
Nijifans wish them to die and burn into irrelevancy, call them out as villains and traitors, fellow livers throw them under the bus for being traitors.
Yeah, this proves that Nijisanji fans only have one oshi, and that is Riku. And I usually see this type behavior with the 50cent army of Ching Chongs.
I love Nijisanji family!!!! I also have a dream to watch the sunset on top of a yacht!! I will donate all of my silver and gold buttons to create more yachts! Riku will feed us with Nissin noodles!!! He love us!! Nijisanji is strong!!!

>>59633796
Damn that sure is working out for them, they can get talents at the staggering rate of 0-1 graduations per year from luxiem and noctys (as if they care about the rest of niji) and holo each. Those darn black companies with their incredibly low graduation rate

>>59608337
The only 3 members of Vshojo I didn't like were selfish Pink cat, that awful knock off of Shylily and the girl who sucked more dick than Mel, but lacked the sweetness of her.
And they all decided to fuck off at once, so what's the problem when your biggest drama whores all leave?

>>59633893
They are growing again so yes, it's working out for them. And most of their talents were former indies, not corpos.

Didn’t he have a burnout or something?

>>59633893
VShojo talents that were indie when they were acquired: 8 (Froot, Geega, Haruka, Hime, Mel, Mouse, Zen, Kson) Add 3 more if you want to count Vei, Silver, and Nyan since even if they've left they were indies when they were recruited.
VShojo talents that were acquired from corpos: Nazuna, Kuro. Maybe Henya if you want to call VOMS a corpo, but that's really stretching the definition of the word.

Total ratio: 8 (or 11) to 3 (or 2)

>>59633871
Great point anon. Let me know if you still believe this is true next time there's a Kson thread on the catalog.

>>59632916
>she has been a vtuber for as long as she has streamed
She only claimed to be a vtuber after they got popular, same with project melody they didn't make any contribution to the medium at the time so calling her "og" is stupid, since most of the true ogs are gone now only the jp corpos can be called the forefathers of modern vtubing in japan and holojp/myth in west or overseas.

>>59633952
>>59634279
How is this relevant

>>59634511
You put in question if that works for them.
Answer: Yes, it does. They hire more indies anyway, although maybe that changes now.

>>59634511
>Imply their strategy for growth is flawed because it requires people to leave corpos so they can acquire them
>Be informed said strategy actually is working, and they have far more indies in their ranks than corpos anyway
What do you mean how is this relevant

>>59632916
Even looking at this chart it doesn't seem to indicate there is a huge boost. Unironically if anything it showcases that boost is minimal and they stand on their own metrics a lot more than anyone in holo does

>>59633048
They get so much shit because of how they marketed themselves at the start, the talent freedom bullshit then some of the members directly namedropping hololive and calling it a black company for some reason. they positioned themselves to be a better alternative then hololive in the west but had nothing to show for it other then empty word's.
More drama then the auditions turned out to be fake and some applications even got doxxed, then the whole nuxtaku thing. it cemented them as a bitch girl company and the way they acted firmly reinforced this sentiment.

>>59634582
>>59634595
Are you niggers (if it's even multiple people) seriously pretending that 4 out of their 6 newest hires aren't from jp companies? You have to be shitposting to include the year 1 roster when they obviously weren't fucking poachers

>>59634752
Kuro, Henya, Kson, and Nazuna? Kson was an indie for an entire year before she joined. She didn't leave her company to join VShojo. Neither Nazuna for that reason, she was terminated. They were free agents when they were acquired, while Henya and Kuro are the only ones they would have straight up taken. You'd have to be daft to consider someone's entire employment history when accusing them of poaching and not what they were doing when they were signed on.

>>59634731
The only thing here that isn't fabricated catalog bullshit is the nux drama.

>>59634351
All anti Kson threads were 50 cent chinks who still gets triggered over a word "Taiwan" and couldn't forgive her for it.
We still thank Kson/Coco for making Hololive leave the stinkhole called China. I wonder how is Nijisanji doing right now in China after CCP calls out vtuber industry, bans anime cosplays, makes VPN illegal... Maybe that's why Vox deleted his sex ASMR vids aimed for virgin ugly Chinese women and old gays and now wanting to be a brotuber for the west now? Kek

>>59634849
You know what, I concede, they're not poachers, they just take talent previously affiliated with super popular groups and nothing else. Not sure what this even changes but if you're angry at your company getting called poachers then I changed my mind. Can we stop arguing semantics now?

>>59634861
Silvervale in 2020 has said "i have talked to an ex idol from hololive before they way they treat their talents is disgusting i don't know how anyone can support them" the only graduated member at the time was hitomi cris, veibei, nyanners, froot have vagueposted about "hololive bad" many times denaying reality isn't going to help your case and the "talent freedom" thing is obviously saying that corpo vtubers don't have "talent freedom" whatever that is.

>>59635105
That was vei

>>59635017
They are poachers, but poaching is good for this industry. But they didn't poach from Hololive.

>>59635105
citation needed

>>59634279
Literally every example listed except for 2 Technically 3, but vei was was originally planned to join vshojo from the beginning, she just had personal issues and had to push redebut into 2021 Were all hired within the first month of vshojo, back when the "corpo" was just considered a front for Melody's friend group to have legal backing and connections via gunrunner.

Their first actual recruitment was for the JP branch a year and a half after vshojo started, if you want to talk indie recruitment Haruka didn't come until over 2 YEARS after vshojo's start.

You're making it sound like they constantly recruit indies when they've grabbed 6 total new talents in the span of almost 3 years.

>>59634927
i didn't know bannedvtmemes and the entirety of /#/ is chinese

>>59635017
Some of them are poached like henya and mysta they were definitely given an offer which was probably an insentive for them to leave.
Kson was already an indie for a year she probably wasn't planning to join just after she left hololive since she wanted to remain an indie.
Nazuna was... well an unfortunate case to say the least i wouldn't count that as poaching.

>>59635105
Citation needed.

then where is Nina???
I want Nina!!!

>>59635213
Troll and bots respectively. Dont know about it?
Well ching chongs use bots sooooo...

>>59635017
Okay? Someone was going to take them. They're not just going to stay out there completely unaffiliated for the rest of their lives just because they were in a big company once. Hell if VShojo's been so successful at the tactic I'd view it as a plus for them since they were able to get these big names under their brand. Weird to attach a stigma to it is all.
>>59635190
There's quite literally nothing to suggest Vei was supposed to be in the original group and didn't join then for some reason.

>>59635105
This post is great because you can tell it's someone who read a couple of catalog rrats once 2 years ago and is repeating it now as if it's confirmed and true.

>>59635105
Citation pls... unless it's just all headcanon?

>>59610404
>the black corpos that ostracized the talent in the first place
The irony of that statement anon is that so far the only chuba who actually was ostracized out of a major agency from the last few years is on their blacklist. the rest are just salty people who spat the dummy.

>>59634927
What about people shit talking Sana? Also chinese bots?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Hololive fans on here are quite as bad as niji's but acting like they are flawless and never show hostility to other fanbases than their own is just wrong.

Maybe I'll start a vtubing company and say you can get a 3% cut on merch and poach nijis easy

>>59635308
>They're not just going to stay out there completely unaffiliated for the rest of their lives just because they were in a big company once
Why? You know a company isn't needed at all right? This is the reason why vshojo can't get any actual big names from other companies aside from the recent mentally ill puppy and Kson plus friends who are financially and technologically retarded, you can just do everything you want as an indie and be incredibly more successful

>>59635017
Why is this thread acting like what vshojo does is so evil, when /vt/'s beloved Phase Connect is well known for doing the exact same thing? Shit its a huge meme in their thread that the ceo is "Saving" these girls.
Meanwhile they did actual black company shit, like forcing talents who joined with previous aliases and models to sign their IPs over to them, and even took a vtuber's IP away and fired them after a contract disagreement.
Vshojo has a history of fucked up shit but it hasn't reached small corpo bad yet.
>>59635308
There are VODs still up on vei's archive yt from 2020 where she talked about joining Vshojo by the end of that year

>>59635214
Why did kson have to specifically have to wait for a year to announce this again?

>>59633742
I think it's acceptable. Sometimes big talents get tired of corpo obligations, or they get screwed over because of unforseen circunstances or maybe they want to grow in ways their previous company can't provide for them, like with Henya. If Vshojo is willing to lend these talents some corpo like backing while letting them keep their IPs, then I think what they are doing it's acceptable. Especially if these talent still want to do big projects like concerts, 3D lives or convention appearances.
I do agree that Vshojo needs to lend a hand to smaller talents though, and it's something that I hope they do in the future after they consider themselves established enough.

>>59635554
>/vt/'s beloved Phase Connect
Lol. Lmao even.

>>59634582
>They hire more indies anyway,
But they dont hire no-names. Haruka was already big and an orbiter for a while. Zen befriended Geega and shilled her until she became a 4view before officially hiring her. again, talk when they do some good things for the industry instead of hiring close friends and poaching from other companies after they do the work for them.

>>59635616
>Especially if these talent still want to do big projects like concerts, 3D lives or convention appearances.
You can do that as an indie easily

>>59635536
This is the most bizarre argument I've seen yet.
>You know a company isn't needed at all right?
>This is the reason why vshojo can't get any actual big names from other companies
Why would that support your first statement in any way?

>>59635536
pretty much every major "indie" is signed with some sort of agency that offers nearly identical services as vshojo, they're just not as public with it

>>59635566
When she left she said "I don't want to join a corpo again" so i think she really wasn't planning to join vshoujo but couldn't handle being an indie so decided that their terms were good enough.
>>59635374
>>59635357
>>59635215
My mistake it was vebei.
https://files.catbox.moe/yif1bp.mp4

>>59635554
>/vt/s beloved phase connect.
20 people are not /vt/

>>59635701
Yes, having a manager isn't rare at all especially for big names, that's why a company isn't necessary for them

>>59635685
Can you do that as an indie? Yeah. But not easily. Kson is one of the most well connected indies out there and her anniversary concert last year almost didn't happen because of something that came up at the 11th hour. It was unironically VShojo that made sure it happened as planned.
>>59635554
Vei doesn't have an archive that old, and she only ever talked about it in a speculative manner because she was friends with people who were already in it.

>>59635924
For a vtuber it kinda is if you want to do proper 3ds because that is still too expensive.
Saw some of vshoujos concert they probably spend a decent amount of money on it and quality wise it was average, there are many mocap studios but not all of them can fullfill a vtuber need especially for big events.

>>59610286
They'll never get another Ninomae Ina'nis collab again!

>>59636024
And Kson is genuinely retarded anon and I'm not joking, she thought Gunrun programmed fucking IRC (plus she left fucking hololive) so I wouldn't take any of her experiences as normal. Hundreds of indies can do stuff like that with no problem

>>59635793
She wasn't with Vshojo at that point and most of her criticism is either subjective (she isn't interested in kayfabe)
or true (graduation and you lose everything)

Also where's the sources for everything else you said?

>>59635449
Is Kson Sana? Read the post.
Sana only attracts troll-haters just in case you didn't know yet.
Haters will always gonna hate. And they ain't even her fans originally, just miserable fat neets who waits for any bad times of others to get a chance to kick others also as if to elevate themselves that they are superior for doing so. Well, misery always love company. Kek.
But a fraction of them (which I read) were anons who thought Sana got inside Hololive because she's friends with Ina(childhood friend). They felt that she wasted a chance which others(them) always wanted. In other words, their hatred for her comes from jealousy and frustration. IDK if this is true for Sana though as she also claimed that she graduated due to health/back issues.
I watched her from time to time in the past and desu, I also found her entertaining and only found her vt model to be very lacking for her personality. Her personality carried her bland(my opinion only) vtmodel.
No one knows which is the truth. So my point still stands.

>>59636060
If we're being real most vtuber don't have that many needs for mocap, stuff like Yogiri's is enough, no one needs anything as fancy as holo 3Ds because I'm pretty sure holos are forced to be creative in their 3Ds simply because the previous 3Ds set the trend

>>59631939
The great thing is that we can actually check
https://twitchtracker.com/geega
>August average viewers
>1532
Geega debuted with VShojo on September 2
>September average viewers
>3074
Literally doubled

>>59635793
Lol. You've proven nothing kek.
So it's all headcanon.

>>59634493
Oh I see, now you have to make a meaningful contribution to the medium to be considered a vtuber.

Literally being a vtuber by any normal person's definition just isn't enough if it means a VShojo talent might actually have been at the ground floor of the industry.

if hololive is so good why did coco quit it to join vshojo?

>>59608337
They really are the corpo for discarded sloppy seconds kek

Friendly reminder that Mysta should be eternally grateful for anycolor because without their brand, he never would be as big as he was and never would be able to get in vshojo now. you can have all criticism for their management, but all of those niji members post 2018 only get more popular compared to their past due to their association with the company, and that works for hololive too and any other agency that isnt very small.

>>59636540
China

>>59636291
I am not autistic enough to keep track of whatever stupid shit these whores have said over the years, also i like how are you are glossing over her literally lying about format holotalents coming out and "exposing" the company.
Vshitshow is the only one responsible for their current brand image not only on vt but the general community, denying reality here really dosent mean shit.
A lot of there "talents" were hardcore anti corpo seething whores who used "corpo bad hololive bad" narrative to gain any audiance which backfired on them horribly after their scandles and general twitchwhore like behaviour.

>>59636527
It isn't a vshojo thing, no one cares about Natsumi Moe either

>>59635554
>Phase Connect is well known for doing the exact same thing?
Phase Connect hired small indies and talents from failed companies, which as already been stated in the thread is something vshojo does not do, they only want the sloppy seconds clout the big companies, not help small talents.

>Meanwhile they did actual black company shit
no they didnt
>like forcing talents who joined with previous aliases and models to sign their IPs over to them
nobody is forcing them to sign that contract, if they feel its not beneficial to them they can just not join the company
>and even took a vtuber's IP away and fired them after a contract disagreement.
you phrase that as if they made Yuri sign the contract and then got rid of her right after to steal her shit, which is completely disingenuous. Again Yuri signed a contract which she felt was beneficial to her, then she had obligations that she didnt follow because shes a huge fuck up. she screwed over her old company and kept assets she shouldnt have, then used them without permission which caused problems. or maybe point me to a tweet or article that explains how she was horribly mistreated by the company? stop using the word "black company" like a meme, its serious shit, while you seem to think that firing somebody for not respecting their contract is somehow bad, which is beyond braindead

>>59608337
I don't get it, what happened now? Who joined? QRD? I don't watch anything but my oshi and she's not VShoujo

>>59615962
I'm a VShojo fan and even I have to admit that "VShojo is better than Hololive" is nothing but pure, uncut copium in sentence form. Sure, I prefer VShojo, but that doesn't make it better

>>59636540
No one knows, not even kson herself

>>59636680
Still an OG, doesn't matter how you feel about it

>>59636540
Just in case your censored internet never mentioned that in the past.
It's because of Ching Chongs getting triggered.

>>59609025
vtuber when

>>59636464
>gets proof
>LOL I AM NOT GOING TO LOOK AT THAT LOL
you need to be 18+ to post here twitchnigger, i said she lyed about former holos coming out and saying that they got mistreated in the company which was a complete lie as there was only Cris and maybe aloe at the time who left the company, both are jp talents who veibei definitely dosent have any connection to.

>>59636724
I mean I think they're better in ways that I care about being consistent and funny but other people value other things. Someone wanting music out of VShojo isn't going to be satisfied with just Mouse and Holo wins there easily.

>>59636724
I mean personally I would say VShojo is better solely because talents maintain ownership over their IP

>>59636527
If you are getting on a rising trend when it is starting to become popular then you are just leeching from it, not contributing to it i would say ironmouse has contributed a fair bit for the twitch side but that was after myth because popular and vtubing became relevant so she isn't an og.

>>59636569
"Mysta should be eternally grateful to Anycolor"
Why does it makes me feel that it's something similar to:
"All zhangs should be eternally grateful to Mao Zedong"

>>59636649
You are literally not talking about vshojo but Veibae.
She wasn't a member when she said that and she's not a member now.

>>59636649
>>59636824
She was in contact with JP fans at that time. (you can even see it in that clip)
Not sure what contacts she had but neither do you. Obviously, her opinion at that point is just hers so you're trying to connect things to vshojo for no reason.

>>59636880
>getting on a rising trend
But Mouse predates vtubing's rise in popularity
She's older than Hololive and Nijisanji
She was vtubing three years before the boom

FalseEyeD estimated that she's in the first 400 vtubers period

And if we're talking about Western vtubers, she's easily one of the very first. How the fuck is that leeching?

>>59636908
because thats the reality. he never would be where he is without auditioning to nijisanji en

>>59636711
Because cyberlive was 100% dead when the first invaders got hired right?
Because the new invaders weren't already talking and working behind the scenes with fishman while in tsunderia, right?
(the dizzy girl literally worked at a phase booth at a con a full year before officially joining the new invaders)

I'll agree that the black company remark might be too far, but nobody knows the full story of what happened to the catgirl, and signing away previously self owned IPs is still a shady thing to put into a contract.

Stop trying to act like vshojo offering better opportunities to vtubers is a bad thing when phase is WORD FOR WORD doing the exact same thing. Too a T.
Either both are ok or neither are, pick one.

>>59636880
Mouse was already hitting 3k regularly when myth debuted. So yes she was popular before HoloEN

>>59636649
you're talking about one talent that left, veibae sucks and 90% of vsj hated her anyway

>>59636979
Being the first doesn't mean you're not exempted from leeching off of the success of others.
Btw, don't get me wrong. Leeching of the big waves ISNT BAD. It's a good strategy.
But she was like a small boat racing with other small boats. Then when Myth came with a big ship making a great wave which all of them got affected and rode with the wave whether they wanted to or not. It's an effect, it's not bad. The real shtty bad thing is what pokemane that she's about to do after Myth came which pokemane wanted a Vtuber model when she previously calls out vtubing as a bad thing.

Wait, VShojo takes boys? Isn't "shojo" part of the word for "girl"?

>>59636880
retard

>>59637118
>and 90% of vsj hated her anyway
Now that's bullshit

>>59636968
>you are talking about vaebai
Yeah the vaebai that was the same vaebai even when she got into vshitshow, i don't what you are trying to accomplish by denying this but vshitshows appeal has always been that they are better then other corpos because they have talent freedom, vaebais stance was also considered vshoujos stance and it dosent help that multiple talents had the same sentiment.
Look they can believe whatever they want to but saying it the way they did is a different matter, you can't just say shit and not expect consiquences for it the current image of vshoujo is already enough of a proof of their terrible past shinanigans I do think they have improved a lot but as long as people like froot are there in the company they are going to need a long time to wash away their past.

Sloppy seconds Shojo.

>>59636979
There is a reason why Sora isn't considered the 4 heavenly kings while existing at the same time as them.

>recruiting talents that left other companies is le bad!
Just say you hate Vshojo, less words and it's not an unpopular opinion.

>>59637148
Alright you stupid faggot

Here are Mouse's stream stats just before Gura debuted.

I don't even know what you're trying to say anymore.
Mouse is an OG vtuber.
Mouse was already popular before HoloEN existed.

>>59637118
I used to dislike veibae, but after the last year of small corpos and niji having actual highschool tier drama, I no longer have an issue with a whore just doing her thing. she's harmless

>>59608337
So is Kuro Mouse's long-lost Filipino Cousin or something? Nepo hire doesn't mean what you think it means. If you get hired by someone because they're your friend, that's just networking.

>>59637118
I am simply stating why vshoujo is perceived as they are right now, yeah the worse members have left but it isn't magically going to change their past reputation.

>>59637217
>vaebais stance was also considered vshoujos stance
That's like saying Altare's stance of "gotta fight for the cause" is the stance of Hololive production.
It isn't. Most of them like Hololive.

>>59636720
Mysta from Nijisanji debuted in Vshojo and nijikeks don't like it so they're crying and raising pitchforks against Vshojo and mysta for betraying Riku and his Shipbuilding company. Lol

>>59637270
the more correct definition is cronyism, but that also doesn't completely fit.

>>59637313
what i don't get why does vshojo want the sister crowd from niji, they will get some even if he shat all over them

>>59637303
Nigger did you not read the rest of the shit I wrote? Veebai, silvervale, froot, nyanners have always been the worse purpotrators and have said anti holo/corpo shit many times I know you will ask proof like a monkey next and i ain't spoonfeeding you shit.

>>59637263
I don't even know why you're calling me faggot as I only replied to your post for the first time and btw, I'm not the guy you're arguing with previously. I just said my take on why leeching isn't a bad thing. And I watch Ironmouse also before myth and I know she's making big numbers but she isn't that mainstream yet on normies eyes who see vtubers as a weeb thing only until myth broke the boundaries which normies could also see that vtubers isn't what they previously thought.
Lol chill.

>>59637428
VShojo fan here. Literally nobody else has said anything like that. The closest that can be attributed to any of them is Silver talking about corpos not wanting family members on stream which was not correct. She also said that once, and she said it literally this year, so it wasn't an ongoing thing. Froot's never said a thing about Hololive, and nobody else has either.

>>59637428
I'm a VShojo fan, have been since they started. I continue to watch Vei and Nyan even after they left.
I have no recollection of Froot or Nyan ever having a bad word to say about Hololive.

>>59637357
They're trying to expand their business. If it doesn't go well he can just leave and take them with him. A lot less risky than debuting a whole male gen.

>>59637313
I see, I mean, VShojo is shit so it's w/e, Mysta was shit too so who cares in the end

>>59637357
If you saw the rules made by Mysta/Kuro, I don't think mysta/Kuro is trying to bring his former fujo fans to Vshojo.
Especially when one of the rules was specifically aimed against fujobaiting. check the rules of mysta, it's fcking hilarious and prob one of the reasons why nijichinks are angry.

>>59637582
he already did what he could to get rid of his fujo fans as Mysta. He hated them and even said if he could go back and undo the fujobaiting when he'd first started he would. He successfully got rid of them by the time he graduated, and he's making sure they don't come back with his rules as Kuro.

>>59637582
no i understand that, but he will get alot of that crowd if he likes or not. beside do big male vtubers make it without doing gaybaiting?(genuinely asking idk)

>>59637675
Nyan's BF is full on brotuber and is probably the second biggest male vtuber on Twitch after Shoto.

>>59637582
>>59637626
>>59637675
Wait fr? What the fuck audience does he even have left then? Ain't nobody gonna watch a talentless twink if he isn't prostituting his bussy

Found someone else posting Mysta/Kuro rules on other threads so I'll post it here too for laughs.
Nijichinks, please calm down. You still have Vox and others on nijisanjiEN. Oh wait, Vox deleted his fujosexASMR vids and he wants to be a brotuber now?

>>59637874
Why do these faggots want to be "brotubers"? Do they not understand no straight male wants to watch anime twinks?

>>59637847
Just in case you didn't know, there are successful male vtubers like nux who have million subs and get good view numbers who don't fujobaits.

>>59638003
huh

>>59638003
>Nux
>successful
Nigga fell off hard, his viewer retention these days is awful

An actual example would be Lord Aethelstan

>>59637953
It's probably mentally draining. Especially when you're a straight guy trying to get good money and enjoyable work. Then your relatives/family ask you of your work and you couldn't even find it to confess you're a Vtuber because if they search you in Twitter or Google, they will only find fan arts of you getting railed and used as toilet by other gmen. He should just be thankful he never got stds from all sucking. I'm sure he also serviced Riku. Kek.

>>59638003
Lol didn't he got a strike because nijisister going nut on him and resulting him using his 2nd channel.

>>59638052
Even he's not a great example. He was a literal who until he started dating one of the most successful twitch vtubers of that year.
If it weren't for people watching him due to nyanners he would be a 3 view at best.
His popularity is also nearly half of that of people like shoto who fujo bait 24/7.

>>59638516
Aethel was a 3view who had quit his job to go full-time streaming before he and Nyan got together

>>59638600
True I suppose it depends on what you consider success. I'm just saying that male vtubers who don't fujobait and who aren't practically married to someone more popular than they are, end up being 3views and 2views.

>>59637675
They don't

>>59638657
On Twitch getting 50 viewers already puts you in the top 0.1% of streamers

Very, very, very few people get 4view, let alone more than that.

>>59638657
Well, if I was given an option:
>Getting large view numbers with $80k superchats while pretending to suck someone else's dick in a stream while getting railed by another guy behind as we roleplay. Then forcing myself to fujobaits and kissing streams, sexasmrs, and had to roleplay for fat ugly female/homo Tumblrs on each stream
>Or streaming my gameplay with my favorite game with only 3-2 views and $1k or less SC.
I'd still choose the second. I wouldn't be able to sleep well with the first one as it would feel like I'm prostituting myself for cheap yuan chinks.

>>59610080
>so she could grow
>and she dove into the septic tank instead

>>59639049
>(you)

Are we honestly going to make a thread about this every time vshojo debuts a new talent?

It would be so fucking funny if mysta/Kuro gets a 3D and a live 3Dconcert before his fellow Vox and NijisanjiEN. Vt would have a field day hahahahahaha

>>59638923
Man you're crazy if being gay for pay makes you struggle to sleep. Like if I'm getting paid 80k to flirt with some dude on stream you bet your ass I'm gonna take that route. Like holy fuck you're practically throwing away the holy grail because you're worried about looking like a prostitute for some Chinese chicks

>>59639165
I'll see you in that thread when that happens anon, possible day, late November.

>>59639324
Maybe we're just different on that mindset then. Lol

>>59610286
>Other corpos are keeping a close eye on this behavior and will start forbidding contact with members from vshitshow
i feel like people have been saying this for years due to one yab or another that never really mattered.

>>59636711
Sup fishman

>fired

>>59610403
>8%
It's less than half of that cuck, at least don't lie so badly

>>59612571
vPoacho was right there

>>59612517
I was planning to read the thread but with this level of talk I won't lose my time

>>59611273
They did audition and ignored it for years, call me a 2view or whatever but they presented themselves as "indies representative" but even hololive gave more hope to indies than Nepohoujo

>>59639324
Poorfags really throw their pride at any monetary gain huh