/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>60125317
This post is so wrong it annoys me when I see it reposted

>>60125434
Zhangseethe

why are holofags so retarded?

>>60125983
Newfag

>>60125317
>nobody outside of China believed it
I mean you have Indonesia and the Philippines that still believe it

>>60125317
I would love to see Hololive back in Azur Lane (Senchou needs her BB), but it's already been two years since Coco left, so I doubt it'll happen.

>>60125995
>anon are retarded for believing holo going back to china
Why are you like this anon?

>>60125317
Almost 0%, but it doesn't matter, bilibili will just reupload Hololive stuff anyway, with or without Hololive permission. What are they gonna do? Sue bilibili?

>>60125317
>Hololive crawling back to China
This is probably the real reason for the company becoming more unicorn-friendly since the summer.

>>60125434
Game, explain why the post is wrong

>>60127555
Basically the entire premise of who Hololive "enemies" are. It's not companies, it's random chinese dudes on the internet who screamed loud enough for companies to be afraid of them. Companies don't give a fuck, with a couple exceptions, they just want money. Bililbili for example is pro Hololive. They were business partners with Cover and arranged a bunch of shit including the AL collab. They were also the ones who tried to cover Cover's ass by writing their apology, which unfortunately didn't work because it was different than the JP and English versions, which made the zhangs see it as inauthentic. Somehow this board came up with a conspiracy theory that BIlibili are the big bad guys behind everything, when they basically didn't really do anything other than ban Haato and Coco, who would have been unbanned if the apology worked. Ironically the psycho nationalist zhangs who hate Hololive have the opposite view, they think Bilibili's leadership are basically cucks who are soft on Hololive and like Japan more than their own country (which is probably true and also based).

And the other half is just cringe projection. Hololive is publicly traded and china has a lot of customers, of course they're gonna go back. The ones who need to "save face" are people like that guy who has been seething on 4chan for 3 years only to get cucked by simple business deals.

Why the fuck would I want more gacha garbage streams

>>60128883
>of course they're gonna go back.
There is no going back, chances of anything similar happening are too high even if they did want to AND the zhangs dont immediately go apeshit, it is just not worth it.

>>60128883
>Bililbili for example is pro Hololive
Sure Zhang. I'm sure that deleting all of the pro Holo videos on the situation and leaving only schizo ones (i.e. Hololive is dead) really helped things out. How much did they invest in Asoul btw?

>>60129593
There's no risk as long as they don't dual stream. Literally every zhang incident was from dual streaming.
>>60130033
Which videos did they delete, newfriend?

Artias fault everything in china went to shit after she revealed her true form

>>60125317
>China

Who wants to bother with that mess OP?

>>60125317
Never happening, HoloCN being dissolved ended any chance of Cover officially operating in China again. They'll still quietly upload videos to Bilibili to maintain a bit of mindshare to sell merch though.

>>60128883
>Bilibili is pro Hololive

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>60128883
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>>60128883
The problem is Hololive appealed to Taiwan after the incident.
No turning back.

>>60128883
Hololive is pro Taiwan. How does that appeal to Zhang sensibilities retard?

>>60133848
>>60134262
They can just apologize like Cena did. Knowing vtubing and knowing how lucrative the Chinese market is, it wouldn't be surprising if they were already in the process of apologizing to China as we speak.

>>60134574
Ok Zhang

>>60130202
>There's no risk
That is factually, verifiable wrong.

>>60134574
I am sure that makes perfect sense for you, Zhang, what would that apology entail, they would be sorry for what? Opening a pop-up café in Taiwan?

>>60136122
A simple apology for acknowledging the Taipei regime, and any interaction they may have made with said regime, is all Cover would need to do.

>>60133362
I didn't say anything positive about that fascist hellhole, ESLchama. Learn English.
>>60133848
>>60134262
There is no issue there. China sees Taiwan as part of china, not a competitor. It's like saying "wow they can't do business in America anymore after they had a booth at New York Comic Con". Doesn't make sense.
>>60135689
People have been uploading Hololive shit for 3 years without any problem. They've got a much tighter leash on everyone these days and are basically china-friendly right now.

>>60128883
They are not afraid of random people on internet, they are afraid of CCP so the drama got big enough to be noticed by them.

>>60133362
based

>>60136696
It was nowhere near big enough for the CCP to notice, despite whatever retarded shit you've read here. Far worse shit gets posted on weibu or whatever their twitter is every day.

>>60126071
Zhang

>>60128883
>Bililbili for example is pro Hololive
Yeah that's why they deleted all videos explaining the situation while letting outrage mongers stay up right?

>>60137157
Such as?

>>60136936
Tell that to the guys who got their fanfic website deleted because someone got angry that their otp isn't respected

>>60137203
>hololive is dead
>still up to this day
>this is what coco actually did
>deleted

>>60137265
Fanfic of what? Deleted by what? What's the website?

>>60125317
HoloTW soon

>>60137341
Which of their rules did the first video violate? You also haven't named a deleted video, it sounds like you're just repeating rumors you heard in the numbers thread by morons who never bothered to even google translate a chinese website and see what they're actually up to.

>>60136553
Why would they, though? They'd alienate people who are already in their pocket and get extremely likely issues in the future. Only retards who obsess over the most short term benefits would bow to China if they don't need them to thrive.
Of course this doesn't even address that they haven't done anything worth apologizing for.

>>60138145
>Why would they, though?
money
>They'd alienate people
do you really believe that? really? holofans are just gonna drop their oshi because of a corporate business deal? you actually think that? be real. the girls will just say "i love all my fans around the world and want everyone to be able to watch me" and you'll say "yes ma'am" and continue to consume. less than a fraction of a fraction of a percent will care. you know it's true.

That guys post is faggy and all. But at least they're right that it's inevitable cover would fight to get back into China. It's a business meant to make money and they just recently went public. The push for infinite growth guarantees it. 15 years ago John cena announces to the world Osama got popped by the navy seals... Smash cut to him apologizing for acknowledging taiwan 2 years ago. It's all that businesses care about.

>>60136572
>I didn't say anything positive
yea sure, fuck you zhang, cao ni ma.

>>60138145
>Why would they, though?
3 times the population of the USA, and some of the biggest and most dedicated NEETs, whales and gachikoi. Any company would kill to have this sort of audience, and Chinese unicorns, both male and fujo, would salivate over finally having a big company and talents to simp again after getting burned by Nijisanji.

It was made abundantly clear that allowing Chinese money, attention and mindshare influencing the organization was a massive land mine the last time around.
There's no "apologizing", no "begging to come back", anything moving towards a pro-Holo stance on bilibili is entirely on their side. If they want to start allowing Holo content back on their platform while Hololive sends talents to Taiwanese events, that's entirely on them.

>>60139408
Proof next thread?

>>60134574
Yeah right Ching Chong , keep telling yourself that

Zhangs are the most unstable and the least loyal fanbase. The unicorns of nations, if you will. There's no long term benefit for Cover in accepting this Trojan horse.

>>60136572
>There is no issue there. China sees Taiwan as part of china, not a competitor.
Are you, perhaps, retarded? Do you NOT remember how it all started?
>Doesn't make sense.
Your post certainly does not

>>60139545
>after getting burned by Nijisanji
The problem is that Cover already knows how piss easy it is to "burn" the Chinese.

>>60134574
Damn i don't have the bug torchering wbcm in this device.

>>60140146
They looked at their google stats which specifically name Taiwan as it's own country separate from china. That is the thing that makes them mad. Not "saying Taiwan" or "doing business in Taiwan" or anything like that. You would know this if you actually were there to remember and not a council kid.

>>60126181
Moron. Both the Indo and Phils hate China, even more so than western dogs.

time to post this again when another soulless bugmen keep screeching about how great his gutter oil land money is

>>60140726
Not pictured: Sponsorships and merch sales, you know, the things that actually matter.

>>60134574
AND HIS NAME IS ZHONG XINA

>>60134574
>>60136572
Zhang money is fickle af and doesn't abide by copyright. It attracts a nationalistic audience who are volatile and easy to anger based on what they perceive as insults at mundane events.

It's also a precarious market with the Zhang overlords trying to phase out Nips influence on their younger population.

>>60134574
If they apologize to chinkna they wil mud the waters with EN and JP

>>60140431
And they would be right to make that statement again, you are not going to win a war in the internet harassing these talents that was lost in the battlefield ,you should be ashamed of yourself

>>60138145
This is very true, seeing as Hololive CN talents didn't lose JP/overseas fans or goodwill at all as a result of their actions. I am very retarded by the way!

>>60141359
Nice baidu translated post.

>>60141414
Pretending to be blind wont magically grant you an argument.

>>60139545
No one cares

>>60141600


Holy shit that sounds so chinese-y it hurts. At least use a more western sounding reply than whatever flowery bullshit you translated that shit from, holy shit.

>>60140879
kek delusion zhang, what made you think the merch will be any better? go to /#/ prepare to get your ass bullied until you cry to your winnie overlord for hurting your feelings again like the T word
keep sucking that chink copium with your retarded 1 million dollar rrat until your cremation, because your kind deserve it after what you have done, bugmen is so shameless, maybe the nips should had killed more back in ww2

Vtubers never have their audience scrutinize their words or actions ever! I am still incredibly retarded!

>>60125317
If any place is getting hololive's attention for a new branch it's probably Korea. Chinese have been stupidly waiting for submission for years now.

>>60141932
Nice falseflag attempt Mr. Zhang but you have to speak English in order to do that successfully.

>>60134574
>They can just apologize like Cena did
you mean those three chinks in a john cena bodysuit, hes an op bro they replaced him

>>60126181
Philippines fucking hates China

>>60140431
Yes, because when Cover does Taiwan Event they actually mean China Event!
Fuck off already.

>>60142642
This reply is completely nonsensical. What are you angry about?

>>60142819
I said Cover already do Taiwan event, which means they treat Taiwan as separate country Then comes the reply here
>>60136572
>There is no issue there. China sees Taiwan as part of china, not a competitor. It's like saying "wow they can't do business in America anymore after they had a booth at New York Comic Con". Doesn't make sense.

>>60143061
Having an event in Taiwan does not mean you declare Taiwan to be a sovereign nation. Are you literally a retard?

>>60143214
Still a huge debuff, tardo-san.

>>60143375
No it is not. It is a completely normal everyday occurance for chinese people to discuss Taiwan, for chinese businesses to do business there, and vice-versa.

>>60136572
But how do you expect Taiwanese fans and the rest of the world to react if Hololive goes back to China again?

>West Taiwan
>v-tubers
Isn't the CCP cracking down on ACG like vtubing?

My two cents, "cover is going back because money" doesn't take into account the fact that doing so will be an enormous pain in the ass, especially up front, and the rewards will be really far off.

>>60143498
Like 5 of them will screech for a bit and then they'll go back to watching them and superchatting as usual.

>>60141760
We all know what the CN talents specially artia did anon stop deflecting

>>60143608
That sounds pretty delusional to me. Most of the core Hololive fanbase remembers the damage that China did.

>>60125317
>China bans a non-chinese company

So they either stole enough technology or just randomly decided to ban them, who cares

>>60143608
nice downplaying fanfiction zhang, after you did to everyone you can bet the whole fanbase will come down on your ass spamming tiananmen

>>60143708
Most of the core Hololive fanbase showed up a year ago tops.

>>60143214
Stop trying to up your social credits with the CCP you literal monkey. Cover Corp quite literally made a point to shut down the entire Holo CN branch. There's literally no fucking way they're gonna go back, not unless Chinese society learns to fucking take a chill pill instead of trying to control everything like their current sugar daddy Xi wants to.

>>60143731
What are you gonna do, watch Niji instead? Lmao. You're not going anywhere.

>>60143680


Nah fuck off with that bullshit, zhang. Don't pretend to be right when you talk like a fucking zhang. Holo ain't going back to China, no matter whose fault it all is.

>>60144318
kek china is so great but you keep coming out to holobeg, just kill yourself already chink

>>60125317
I'll repost this post because someone in this thread is literally trying to pull off the "Cover is kneeling to China" psyop in this thread

kek I think this is Bilibili pathetically trying to control the narrative regarding the upcoming future of Hololive getting unbanned in China.
Remember that the "ban" on Hololive and Cover corp. was always from the side of Bilibili and Chinese companies.
There's plenty of holos that would love being able to play Genshin, Star Rail, Muse Dash and other Chinese-made games. Cover would also be happy to get Chinese sponsor money while not being dependant on their retarded audience. None of the sponsorship stuff was ever blocked from Cover's side, it was always Bilibili and China boycotting them. But frustratingly for the Chinese, even without any of that, Hololive has been thriving internationally.

I think what's happening here is that the Chinese company boycotts of Hololive that's been spearheaded by Bilibili is going to be lifted soon. Meaning Chinese sponsorships, Chinese game perms etc. Gura Muse Dash, FBK Genshin streams etc. will be returning soon.
Basically, after seeing that Cover and Hololive can thrive without even touching their market, and seeing their "native, national chuuba alternatives" crumble into dust, Bilibili and China will finally be crawling back to Hololive.
They will basically be admitting that China needs Hololive more than Hololive needs China.

But that "China is kneeling to Yagoo/Cover/Hololive" narrative isn't going to fly very well with the Chinese netizens, because that would make them "lose face".
After 2 years of delusions and screaming that Hololive can't survive without them, the opposite being true would be a national embarrassment for them.
This won't do, obviously. And hence, Bilibili agents will be spreading the narrative that "Hololive is returning to China soon".
This sentence gives off the impression that China has the superior position, saves face for them, and allows them to persist in the delusion that "Cover has finally seen the light" after 2 years of snubbing them.

The reality is that the snub was always one sided. China was acting like a petulent child regarding Cover and Hololive for the past two years.
And now that their native chuubas have died off, they have come crawling back to leech some of Hololive's global relevance.
>If any of you guys browse Bilibili, keep reminding them of this fact if you want to see some wonderful Chinese seethe.
>It isn't "Hololive returning to China".
>It's "China kneeling to Yagoo".

>>60144530
based

>>60144530
>kek I think

>>60144308
And then they made a point to become a publicly traded company which is legally obligated to make as much money as possible.

>>60144530
What I don't understand about this is why China would "need Hololive", though? It's not like vtubers are a vital resource like water or microchips.

>>60144250
The China event happened right after Hololive's biggest period of growth. This is pretty demonstrably true. And thus most of the core fanbase comes from that time period.

>>60144530
i find it very interesting OP cropped out the upper parts, this is the whole pic

>>60144530
BASED BASED BASED

>>60144856
Anon those posts are made like two years apart

>>60125317
Why do either China or Hololive "need" each other? Chinese fans have shown how volatile they are, and the only way for foreign companies to do business in that country is to kneel down and suck CCP dick. It's not worth selling your soul to them; hopefully Cover never goes back.

>>60144989
Because the zhangs are desperate to backtrack after it got proven that appealing to China isn't a prereq to success

>>60144851
You're acting as if every fan sticks around forever. That isn't the case.

>>60125317
I genuinely don’t see China/Hololive ever working again. Too much bad blood on both sides.
>but muh big market
Nah the Chinese market is extremely fickle, hold grudges, and tends to act in a monolithic fashion more-so than any other market. Should you go back into a market who’s customers you have bad blood with, thus no guarantee for profit, and simultaneously alienate your existing loyal fans by #1: proving you are spineless and 2: allowing back the people who harassed Coco to graduation? I think it’s too risky of a business move. I personally wouldn’t stop supporting my oshi with memberships and watching streams, but I would definitely stop buying merch/voice packs/etc.

>>60128883
>Bilibili is pro hololive
>handed over official cover accounts to random zhangs so they can shittalk and send death threats with
>used those accounts for their own gains
What is with the chinese trying to rewrite history? Do they think they are on their side of the firewall here?

>>60145844
Actually the narrative you're citing is rewritten history. A few accounts were taken over by the translation groups (they shared them with Cover so they had joint access), after a couple weeks Bilibili recovered them all and gave them back to Cover.

>>60146247
>Bilibili recovered them all and gave them back to Cover.
Source?

>>60146437
A 4 hour long podcast where every translation group member got together to seethe. Also none have any activity since 2020.

>>60128883
fucking chink dog eater

xing zhong pling plong, no love for west taiwan /here/. Only the true china, the republic of china.

>>60145461
We're not talking about forever. We're talking about 2-3 years ago. There's no reason to believe that Hololive has lost a significant amount of fans during that time.

>>60146818
They definitely have. Just compare subscriber counts with CCV. Subs is when a new fan makes a permanent mark, CCV shows how many are still around. The former dwarfs the latter by a factor of like 50-100 for most Holos.

>>60139609
You are transparent and boring, zhang.

>>60144838
It was written by a 12 year old or mega autist whose life revolves around Hololive, that's how they look at the world.

>>60144838
Their own vtubers suck and Nijisanji is not enough, combine that with nostalgia and you get them begging Hololive to come back.

>>60146915
A subscriber isn't a "fan". Most of those are casual watchers. And fans don't always have to watch a stream live. I watch VODs all the time. Comparing those numbers mean nothing.

>>60140146
China still calls Taiwan "Taiwan", they just treat it like they're a part of their nation.
It would be like America considering California a part of the states, while the californians wanted to split off and become a sovereign nation. Except in this case, California really did split off.

>>60146437
You can just go look at the Bilibili channels, they're still up, and they've been cleaned up. Sora's for example was hijacked and posted instructions on how to use the wheelbarrow and some shit about take over, that's all gone, most recent post now is from before the Taiwan yab. Or Rushia's, Cover actually deleted it as soon as she graduated. Surprising that they didn't forget about it. They didn't make channels for the post-Myth Holos yet interestingly.

>>60147664
nice try Zhang you'll have to work harder than that to get your chink spyware on my pc

>>60147787
It's time to upgrade from Windows XP you old fuck

They aren't trying to get into China specifically, but Chinese speaking countries like Taiwan and shit. Pretty sure in some interview they said exactly that of not wanting to necessarily target mainland China but other regions that speak Chinese

>>60127555
Because the entire premise is that bilibili relies this much on hololive that they'd pull something like this, that somehow bilibili is failing so hard that not only do they think hololive is the only thing that'd save them, but that they'd pull a stunt like this just to save their userbase and need to prove that hololive loves china and bilibili. It's just ridiculous.

One thing that should make people raise an eyebrow about whether or not hololive might be coming back to China is the fact that some of the hologra episodes on bilibili actually are uploaded at the exact same time(some down to the minute) on both youtube and bilibili with chinese subtitles. If it wasn't Cover uploading it, how would that be possible?

>>60149546
A better argument would be if they were uploaded at the same time every time, like an actual professional corporation, but it's all over the place.

>>60149805
outside of the first one, pretty much all of them are uploaded at the same time every week. The more recent ones are exactly 30 minutes later, but then you have the Anya one which is somehow uploaded at the EXACT same time as it was uploaded onto youtube(literal exact same minute, exact same second, exact everything). The other weird one is the Holotori Dance MV was posted on bilibili at the exact same minute it was tweeted out by the official holopro twitter, which isn't the same time it was premeried, but it is insanely coincidental that somehow the exact minute and second it was uploaded onto bilibili, Cover tweets about the MV.