/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>6021763
it's only noel

>>6021763
Me when Pekora or Kiara open their mouths

>>6021804
and ame

>>6021763
They aren't, you're just an EN only fag

>>6021763
Soul

>>6021813
I don't consider EN as being real hololives

because only a handful are really decent, the rest ride on memes

>>6021763
They're idols. You don't have to have a great voice to be a pop star.

Noel's singing is cute and enjoyable, fight me

>>6021763
Same reason as why holo gamers suck at games

You want to die or something?

>>6021763
Marine is pretty good, though.

Yep, digging the booba mole.

>>6021763
These girls are the worst. Especially the two on the left.

Imagine listening to so much post processed “music” that the natural voices of angels sound bad. Literally the musical equivalent of pornsick. Dumb music coomer fix your broken dick

>>6022182
When Pekora really tries she can sound pretty good. Noel though...bless her heart.

How is Noel so bad at singing? It almost seems like she's trying to sound bad.

Noel's bad singing is cute though, it never fails to put a smile on my face.

>>6021763
You're just wrong. Gura is one of the most talented singers I have ever heard in my life. She could seriously go mainstream if she chose to.

>>6022449
Do cumbuds really?

>>6021763

Give me a convincing argument why Azki is a bad singer. I am waiting.

>>6022255
yeah if pekora use her normal voice, not the voice of "pekora character" she have decent sing voice

>>6022467
Nah she's really good and I'm not even a "chumbud" (I hate that term)

>>6021813
And Coco

It's not about skill, it's unironically about soul. Everyone knows that many of the girls are bad at singing but the karaoke streams are still enjoyable.

>>6022467
No seriously. Once in a lifetime talent. What a voice

>>6022535
t. cumbud

>>6021763
Totally serious answer: so that you feel compelled to look outside hololive for talented vsingers.

>>6022535
she's pretty good but certainly not good enough to go mainstream

>>6021810
Based

>>6022182
>Haachama
EOPchama....

>>6022182
Migo has improved a lot and doesn't deserve to be on there

>>6021763
Except Risu and Moona, they're among the best in holopro.

But I'm not as autist to say that they're the most talented singer just like chumbud said in this thread, even though Risu>Moona>Gura

>>6021763
>singers
I know of Gamers but I don't know any Hololive Singers. Even AZKey is INNK and not a part of Hololive 'Singers".

>>6021813
omg, I have no idea why she even trys. The vocal fry could crisp up battered fish.

>>6021763

>>6021763
shark cute tho.

>>6022556
Coco's the only aweful singer with soul, the others are shit and their souls are shit too, and Noel is a dirty whore who tries to make her shitty singing look cute fuck that whore.

>>6022902
Time for your spanking.

>>6021763

Because everything sounds too clean, too safe, too blanilla, and overall less polished.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asojeparbK0

>>6022902
I actually do think Noel pitches up her voice to at least make her shit singing sound cute

>>6021763
Just Kiara. Everyone else is fine.

post SOVL covers

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkYg2eV3xBc

>>6022902
Graduated Talent's singing was awful all around not even cute

>>6021763
Go watch a Niji or something if you want good singers.
Oh right Niji fucking sucks. Being a good singer doesn't mean shit if they're not popular.

>>6022902
Coco's singing is fucking trash in every single aspect.

>>6023265
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akT0wxv9ON8

>>6022182
noel and ame have the most SOUL singing though

>>6022611
If Suisei really is as talentless as all her detractors seem to claim, how on earth is she landing producers like Taku Inoue?

>>6021763
I exclusively follow holos for their personality and game streams but never for their "singing" prowess. Listen to nobodies like Inui Toko, Hayase Sou, Machita Chima, Ryushen and Rindou Mikoto. Actual talented people went to Nijisanji. These days, fame is disconnected from excellence, most of the time. This being one of the instances.

>>6022449
Virtual e whores have truly lowered your standards. Christ, this is just embarrassing.

>>6024768
Fuck, wrong pic but whatever

>>6022902
This

>>6021763
Because you touch yourself at night

>>6021763

>>6024828
You're just jealous. Gura has almost 5M view on Reflect. You can't get there without being talented.

>>6025236
He's insulted Watamtes, Hoshiyomis, Soratomos, and Nekkos by implying they aren't good enough to fulfil their dreams, so yeah. I'm actually surprised there haven't been more replies.

>>6025236
He's insulted Watamtes, Hoshiyomis, Soratomos, and Nekkos , basically, every single one of the Hololive talents who lean to the singing end of the spectrum, by implying their Oshis fundamentally aren't good enough to fulfil their dreams, so yeah. I'm actually surprised there haven't been more replies.

>>6022182
She is trying.

>>6025236
He's insulted Watamates, Hoshiyomis, Soratomos, and Nekkos, basically, every single one of the Hololive talents with serious singing ambitions, by implying their Oshis fundamentally aren't good enough to fulfil their dreams. So yeah, I'm actually surprised there haven't been more replies.

It's not even a high effort bait, a high effort bait would pick the singers generally regarded as stronger, preferably with Green text slamming Nene (no Mezzo range), Watame (only a single texture, warm, and nothing else), Suisei (dodgy Falsetto work, High notes Takai) and Sora (serious case of nasality limiting her ability to sing clearly).

>>6022542
Anon...

>>6025904
We both know those terms are just gonna fly over the 99% of newfag zoomers plaguing this board. Why spend energy on making good bait when hastily crafted shitty bait is more than sufficient?

>>6026795

This is the board where nuance goes to die .With thunderous applause.

>>6021763
Maybe you should clean your ears.

>Choco will have a concert soon

I am very afraid.

>>6025583
>You can't get there without being talented.
How many views do useless retards like the Paul brothers have?

>>6021763
They aren't you idiot. There are about 6 or 7 that I would consider legit good. The majority of the rest I would consider in the range of ok to passable. There are very few that I would actually consider outright bad, the only ones who spring to mind are Amelia, Noel, and Ollie.

>>6022818
she knows she is bad and wants to improve, you get better through practice. imagine shitting on someone wanting to better themselves, you probably shit on fat people going to the gym trying to lose weight

>>6025583
Do people that make nightcore have some kind of one in a million talent then?

>>6024768
>Inui Toko
Actually average, her singing skills are a meme

>>6027582
They're good entertainers. That's a talent.
Hololive singers are the same.

>>6027832
Yes

>>6021840
Garbage take right there.

good singers: my oshi, maybe her friends
bad singers: gura

>>6022818
Some people enjoy how that sounds. Who are you to say what's pleasing to the ears

>>6027731
>that just means your standards are abysmal.

the only bad singer just graduated the other day so you don't have to worry about it anymore

>>6026795
he's not even using the terms right but it doesn't matter because no one no knows what they mean anyway

>>6022542
Who's that?

>>6027973
Their music videos literally have MILLIONS of views. That's how talented they are

>>6028305
I love Hololive singers but that isn't a good measurment. Two of the absolute best singers in Hololive (Sora and AZKi) have some of the lowest views on their songs.

>>6028305
>best song in the world according to holobronies

>>6028357
If they're the best singers, why do they get the lowest views then? Gura is the best singer in hololive

>>6027557
After Nenechi's VARK I was really excited for another one, but I wasn't ready for that announcement. I might just watch Subaru's...

>>6028438
Shark is right

suisei is literally top 3 most talented vtuber singer
taku inoue said when he brought her in to sing for his debut single, her voice was powerful he had to turn the volume up on the track in the booth

>>6021804
choco is pretty bad

>>6028599
How many VSingers have you actually listened to?

>>6028827
She is, but she at least tries to sing in tune. Noel does not.

>>6022449
Gura is the epitome of being genre-limited. She can't sing a rock or rap song to save her country ass.

Most of Niji singing is also ass, only goddamn Fressia Chima and Dog Toko are consistently good on live, even Ryushen and Mikoto flub their singing enough times.

If you really want good VTuber singing go listen to YuNi and Hachi.

>>6027865
Really bad take when she's constantly being compared to Aimer.
>>6028463
Where's Gura's fucking album then?

>>6028898
how much actual music have you listened to? show me a vsinger that regularly sings difficult shit like sheena ringo songs or GTFO plebbit

>>6028964
Like clockwork.

>>6021763
If Gura would use her natural voice instead of that loli trash she might be one of the best

>>6028357
>>6028463
nobody cares about a singer that streams on the side. People want their oshi to sing.
Sora and AZKi may be good singers, but they're as entertaining as a dry loaf of bread besides that. Hence the low views.

>>6028930
>Really bad take when she's constantly being compared to Aimer.
I dont want to have to brainwash myself into thinking that when it's obvious they're not on the same level

>>6029064
like clockwork

>>6029167
>We both know those terms are just gonna fly over the 99% of newfag zoomers plaguing this board

Aimer comparisons are unfair, given how much development Aimer has had over the years. Inui Toko is on the same road, but still far behind in... well most attributes - she does have to cope with similar range limitations to Aimer and has to make the most of it. There's a world of difference between average (whatever the heck that means) and Aimer though, and Toko is closer to Aimer than average.

>>6028964
It's kind of Sus he doesn't bring up other Vsingers like Kyou or Mememe, or even Mair, all of whom run in the same circles as Suisei in the wider V singer picture. Suisei is closer to first among equals in those circles, but there is a reason why she networks with them so extensively - she knows they are her peers.

>>6028463
Azki barely streams and missed out on networking with Hololive when it was rapidly inclining in 2020, while someone like Suisei caught the incline at the right time and is rewarded with nearly 9 million views Tenkyuu and Next Color Planet and 11 million views Saga Jihen.

Sora's case isn't that she barely streams , though she could be more consistent - but again, she didn't really catch alot of growth, and her distance from the wider social networks of Hololive doesn't help her to get her name out there. It says something that one of the biggest videos on her channel is Alice in NY, which was one of the few times she did try to network outside her SorAz comfort zone.

>>6021840
You will never be Japanese. You have no ancestry, you have no citizenship, you have no skills that would make Japan ever want you. You are a shut-in self-hating white man twisted by delusions of mythical Japanese superiority and exposure to Japanese media into a disgusting mockery of nature’s perfection.

All 'validation' you get from other people in this position couldn't be worse in making you believe that spending years of your life learning a globally useless language to a first-grader's level was a worthwhile use of your time, but one can't expect that an individual as pathetic as you will ever know the value of the youth you threw away in doing that.

Actual Japanese are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of linguistic evolution have allowed natives to identify frauds from mannerisms and vocabulary alone. Even if your written text of self-hatred and attention begging akin to a stray dog's somehow passes as normal (it won't), any Japanese person will immediately cut all ties when they hear the voice and accent of someone who is not only a basic Japanese speaker at best, but worth no more than garbage in skills, accomplishments, and likeability.

You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile and laugh to yourself believing that watching a content creator that you understand 20% of at best is somehow superior than watching your own kind, as you project your disgusting traits onto your entire kind. However, deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight, and you know that. You know that all you do now is have an entirely new linguistic medium in which to be ignored, and not even the exotic trait of being foreign makes up for just how uninteresting of a person you are.

Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a Western man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably Caucasian.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back. Hate yourself and apologize for being white to some Japanese entity that exists only in your mind while actual Japanese people put in effort to learn English for the valid reason of it being the global language.

>>6027731
Who are those 6/7?

My own list would be Suisei, Azki, Okayu, Watame, Towa, Nene and Kanata. They each have very real limits, but almost every Vsinger labors under those limits, whether it'd be 2434 , Re:act, Kamatsubaki (come on, even Kaf has her limits) and so on.

>>6021763
Because if you for some reason manage to hire a serious singer/musician (or anyone who's a professional in their field of interest) for this vtuber gig, you either get a soulless gold digger like Mori or you hinder their talent as long as they have their vtuber duties.

>>6028599
The Suisei is a poor singer RRAT has to explain why the likes of Sakai and Taka Inoue outright recognize Suisei's talents, but I suspect most of the RRATers have no idea how the Japanese producer scene works in the first place.

This thread has all the dignity of Skavens fighting between themselves, yes, yes.

it is part of "idle" you know.

hi risu karaoke when?

>>6029621
Azki is a serious musician, so you are suggesting Vtubing is hindering her. Watame has dreams of the Budokan and is throwing her own money in spades to get a pipeline of originals going, so suggesting Watame isn't a serious musician... that' kind of contravenes the entire branding of her channel, and the entire premise of her fanbase. So is Watame and Azki being hindered by the Vtubing gig and how?

>>6028930
Most of the board only knows the Big two and wage their petty tribalist wars across those two lines, ignoring the wider world. Even then, Toko and Chima aren't the finished products by a long shot in terms of development. For that matter, the only finished product in Hololive is Azki.

>>6029764
When she get's off her ass and does her reps like based Moona.

they half intentionally sing bad because that is how Japanese idol works guys...

>>6029784
Watame never had the seriousness to pursue being an actual utaite when she was younger, and probably only realized she wanted to perform at the Budokan when she got a solid audience from Hololive. She's no Tenjin Kotone who had a solid portfolio from her pre-VTubing days to swing a Universal Music contract; and frankly, she doesn't have a good enough sense of what music works for her voice to get there.

AZKi is one of those solid talents who will never pass real-life standards of looks for musicians to be marketed. I also think the VTubing gig was a way for her to be able to put out the music she wanted to write and sing without having to pass it on to someone else - which was why she viewed it as a passing passion project and not a permanent gig.

>>6029968
No, that's retarded. You could make the argument that some of them are nerfed by their need to remain into the same voice range as their character, but they don't intentionally sing worse than they can. Litterally all of them practice their singing a lot, even the awful ones.

>>6029968
Sui-chan's Diamond in the rough is Japanese idol ideology in a nutshell, you are supposed to see idols develop over time. Whether or not that promise is fulfilled, depends on a combination of both talent and management (and Cover is questionable).

>>6029607
cringe

>>6030010

I think part of the problem here is Watame kind of has to figure out by herself what works for her for trial and error - Cover's management isn't going to handhold her, and who knows what's the quality of her vocal coach here?

As for her live signing, as much as I like Watame's voice, I find her Watame Night Fevers quite infuriating, with her practice of stalling for long periods between songs, rather than getting on with it and sing. There's a very, very poor time discipline with her Utas that the likes of Towa and Kanata (not even counting Suisei) practice, or for that matter, Chima and Toko as of late.

>113 replies to a bait thread
And suddenly I remember why I left this place

>>6029612
Suisei, Sora, AZKi, Risu, Gura, Nene, Watame, Towa, Kanata, Gura, Moona, and Okayu. So yeah, actually a lot more than I thought, more like 12. If we are counting Homos then you would have to put Astel and Rikka there as well. Also, want to mention Mori since she is about an average traditional singer but her rapping and song writing is very good.

Hololive has a lot of talented people.

>>6021813
I can't find the clip but I swear I remember when Ame was talking about her audition where they ask her if she have any singing experience and she said no so they just told her "well better start taking lessons soon" (paraphrasing here). So I'm fairly sure Ame didn't even expect EN to have to sing when she sign up for this gig.

check out astel or rikka if you want actual good singers and aren't allergic to the homos. astel is like the risu of the homos with that wide ass range like the treerat

>>6030380
Astel, Rikka and Izuru are severely under-rated.

>>6030339
and yet you still came back here and reply to this bait thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_5mwG9M5Eo

>>6030339
A lot of them aren't good though. That's a fact.

>>6025583
>You're just jealous
You know you must be above 18 to post on this website, right ?

>>6022902
Lolcow is two blocks down.

>>6022902
Kill yourself Noelschizo you fucking pedo.

>>6030402
Less than 20k view total for Izuru's piano's streams is a crime.

>>6030418
But to say all of them are bad erases all nuances of the issue - there's a very wide distribution in the singing abilities of Hololive. In any case, this has turned into a very low quality poor-man's version of Vsingers, except with alot more shit flinging, hot takes and assertions and a healthy whallop of tribalism.

>>6025583
OMG you're an actual retard please go kill yourself post haste.
You're the type of idiot who think Justin Bieber is talented because his M V gets 230 Million views or something.

>>6021763
Nijisanji has more terrible singers than Hololive.
It's just that Hololive markets them as idols, making the terrible singers stand out more, which I think is unfair.

>>6030524
He isn't from lolcow, he is an actual pedophile who posted some very disturbing stuff about 10 year old Noel on /jp/.

>>6030570
vsinger thread talks about vtubers who are mainly singers, and that's great. But all the holos are "idols."

>>6025583
This is the type of post that makes you detest /hlgg/ for the type of newfags they bring

>>6029607
Based

>>6030851
Sad that you have no other rebuttal

Singing fags are worse than gameplay fags.

>>6022590
I really like Gooruh as well, but she still has a long long way to go before being truly world class. She'd botch the shit out of this, off the top of my head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx22Yuj2nzg

>>6031325
Obviously because that's a different genre

ironically most of the good singers in holopro are in stars. rikka is a former utaite and all of them range from passible to quite good. but oga stole the show with his snow halation cover.

>>6031187
Good news is few of them dare to backseat Singing streams in chat itself.

>>6030622
Or you know, the fact that they have 100+ members making it pretty easy in absolute numbers.

>>6028305
You are actually underaged or a massive retard if you think numbers equals quality.

>>6023265
Almost miss my daily Miko Enka. Thanks based anon

>>6031661
what would be the fucking point? They aren't going to stop singing and start the section again because you told them they made a mistake0

>>6021763
Hololive have idols not singers.
Everyone in Japan knows that if you want good singers go to Nijisanji.
Search for Chima, Kinrenka, Hayato or Toko just for name a few.

>>6031538
>oga stole the show with his snow halation cover
as an oga fan even I have to say he isn't that great of a singer. his snow halation cover got popular because it's more a meme than actual quality. the main thing he has is that uniquely bassy voice which sounds fresh compared to the rest of the members.
>range from passible to quite good
stars singing tierlist
passable: oga, aruran (still better than some of the girls)
decent: miyabi, temma, roberu
good: shien
god tier: astel, rikka, izuru

>>6031325

Gura's got a lot of natural talent, but I don't think she's really trying to get better. The ingredients for her to be great are definitely there, IMO, but I just don't know if she's motivated enough to take that next step or whether she's content to just putter around doing what she's doing.

>>6021840
Retard

>>6022449
Gura's one of the better in Hololive. Even among the top but don't kid yourself..

>>6028599
Powerful voice and good singing skills are a very different thing. While she has improved from the days where she couldn't hold a note at all. Her skills have a long way to go. All her karaoke are full of mistakes and not able to sing the notes properly.

>>6021819
>EN only thinking holo singers are terrible
>when Gura is hands down the best singer in the entire company by a mile not counting holostars
Lol. Lmao.

>>6022467
Yes and they are entirely correct.

>>6028599
>suisei is literally top 3 most talented vtuber singer
Anon she's quite possibly not even top 3 in hololive. Gura and Risu are both inarguably much better and AZKi could be argued to be third place.

>>6033142
This. Although as someone who has been pretty harsh on Suisei in the past, one of her recent karaokes showed a LOT of improvement in that regard, at least for the first few songs. She's getting better.

>>6030604
He obviously did something right to get to that point. Are you just a contrarian in everything and REEEEE out when people are successful?

>>6033525
NTA but Bieber is only successful because he had connections that gave him an early start into stardom. He's not actually talented at anything, he's a pretty boy piece of schlickmeat for teenage girls, he doesn't write his songs, he uses autotune out the ass, managers handle literally everything for him. The "numbers = good" argument doesn't always hold up.

When it comes to Gura though, the real talent is there. All you have to do is listen to her live karaoke, her voice is fucking god tier and she has a few areas of technique in which she's literally at a professional level, although she needs work in some others. She's definitely at the point where a truly good mixer could make a mainstream successful album for her and she could go big time as a singer, way bigger than the rest of hololive. It probably won't happen any time soon, but give it a few years. Her raw talent is just too good and she's getting enough visibility from the current vtubing gig that she will eventually make it.

>>6033812
Most musicians don't write their own songs. Do their own music or mix their own things. They're just a voice.
Just like in Hololive where they have connections and all the other things you mentioned and a cute avatar to promote themselves with.

ironmouse is a good singer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzww_vSpbZk

>>6022182
haachama has heart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwV1o4fkKcA

>>6033973
It takes talent to make it through the auditions to get into hololive in the first place. They are also involved in the process of creating their cute avatar. Some of them, like Mori, write their own music.

That's all completely different than Bieber who got family connections making him famous.

>>6033246

>>6034093
Are you brainwashed? Gura is a better singer.

The only one good singer in holo is Matsuri Natsuiro.

>>6033246
>Gura
>The person that sing every song in the same way
>Better than jp singers
kek Ill tell you you're delusional but simce Chumbuds dont watch streams I guess you dont know how the other members sing

moona is the best singer and even then its still cringe

>>6033379
Risu needs to fucking do something and its getting to the point where I'm legit getting angry at her lazy attitude. She is too fucking talented to be hanging down there with Iofi and Anya as far as viewership goes. She is a god tier singer and a god tier commedian who understands modern internet culture better than anybody. Get off your ass Risu. Even fucking Moona does karaoke streams all the time. You have no excuse.

>>6034630
you're a good poster. but i'm better

>>6021763
because cover wants it's girls to be idols, it requires them to take singing lessons, and to atleast try singing streams. Obviously this is a disaster for some of the girls like Watson, and for other girls it's just sounds like mediocre karaoke (like Ina)

>>6033379

Get your ears checked EOP fag

>>6034501
>>6034978
the usual cope lol

>>6034978
>The person that sing every song in the same way
Cope is one thing but blatant lies? lol JPweeabooscum is desperate as fuck

Are there still people left who try their hardest to downplay sharks singing talent? Come on. You are just making a mockery out of yourself even if you hater her for whatever trival and stupid reason.

If views = skill, is Ado like, really good or something?

>>6034978
>>The person that sing every song in the same way
What is this cope now?

>>6021840
based

>>6044288
I'm literally a professional trained singer and I've done extensive breakdowns on the vocal technique strengths and weaknesses of most of the popular singers in hololive. You are the one who needs ears checked.

>>6044558
At this point I'm convinced it's one really dedicated stubborn hoshiyomi who will never concede defeat because he's too in love with Suisei to be objective. The rest are just the usual shitposting trolls and antis who don't even try to have good faith arguments ever, they're the same weird schizos who will start completely random narratives at the slightest opportunity just to rile people up.

>>6034978
Notice how it's ALWAYS an ESL who shits on Gura, lul

Why are there so many cumshart astrosurfers that raid these threads? Gura is barely better than Pekora. Her singing voice sounds the same as her normal voice. She has no range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glh6eQTLGUM

Inject this shit right into my veins

>>6021840
>(You)

>>6021763
I forget what it's called but there's a tendency where as you get older your mind makes pitches flatter. Rick Beato has a pretty good vid on this phenomena. Also to be considered a good singer you need to sing from the diaphragm and that takes years of work, and most of them just strain their voice to sing. Sora and Azki have pretty good range but they need better intonation. Suisei is pretty good too but has the same problem and she sounds like someone who's overused her voice and lost the youthful sound. Towa lacks range but she has a pretty rounded sound and is good with intonation. She's also pretty good with pitch control, it's just that she's a glass cannon and doesn't have the anime voice ppl are expecting. Marine isn't that great, she's old so goes flat in a lot of songs, but she's entertaining. All the others are below mediocre singing wise.

>>6044558
It's just deadbeats who are mad their oshi isn't actually good at music

>>6045581
You aren't even trying

>>6045721
>Also to be considered a good singer you need to sing from the diaphragm and that takes years of work
Anon learning to sing from the diaphragm takes a few weeks at most. The years of practice to train a good voice are all stretching your range, improving your tone, working on technique and agility. Diaphragmatic breathing is the level zero foundation for everything else, you learn it right away.

>>6046154
>a few weeks
Let's see the proof

>>6021763
"NO!"
https://streamable.com/mhgd24

>>6045128
And I'm 6'4 and jacked. See how easy it is to lie?
Post proof to back up your opinion or remain a faggot

>>6046329
Literally just look it up, there are plenty of vocal coaches on youtube who discuss diaphragmatic breathing. It's not difficult to learn at all. The only part that might take some time to refine is learning to time the abdominal relaxation on the exhale, especially in difficult songs that don't have a lot of breaks, but that will come naturally as you practice full songs.

It takes years to train the throat to reach the notes that you want, to sing the vowels you want, to sustain them, to produce them with proper resonance, and to smoothly transition between them. Not to learn the breathing.

>>6046445
>just dox yourself on 4chan or I win hurrhurr
You are such a retard.

>>6046615
Poor cumshart has been exposed as an astrosurfing shill. You are desperate to convince people that she's a good singer but it will never be true. She's a meme with zero vocal range.

>>6046846
>zero vocal range

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzNuwjErYlE
>this song is two octaves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4muRkNPuQco
>nails the high notes better than the millionaire celebrity singer getting invited to talk shows

Walked right into it, lmao.

>>6033379
Everybody buried her in the sand and forgot about her. :(
https://youtu.be/q4N7EhUWOAA

>>6046931
I wish I heard more of Moona's live singing, only caught her like once. She's definitely on my list of promising girls to watch.

>>6021763
/thread

>>6046930
Not like Billie Ellish is known for hitting "high notes" with her whispery voice. At least she sounds different when she sings than when she's speaking compared to Gura though.

>>6047146
>At least she sounds different when she sings than when she's speaking compared to Gura though.
What the fuck is this weird schizo cope. Yeah Gura totally speaks with vibrato, lmao. You're such an idiot.

>>6047181
gura speaks with a vibrator in her cunny

>>6022720
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErDkJExE3io
Love me some Moona. Though Risu is even better but she barely sings.

>>6030402
They all easily fall into the Top singers of the company with Rikka being perfectly capable of being number 1

>>6047146
You're basically saying Gura's speaking voice has so much resonance it's as good as most people's singing voice. This isn't a downside, it's another reason she's fucking incredible.

>>6045314
It isn't a dedicated Hoshiyomi, it's very definitely a tribalist out to prove a point everyone in Hololive sucks. Yes, this includes Gura. This includes Suisei, This includes Towa. This includes PPT. This includes Nene. This includes Moona. This includes Risu. EVERYONE, go watch Nijisanji or Kamatsubaki if you wanna listen to good singers. That's the centrality of the bait here.

>>6046581
Diaphragm breathing and singing aren't the same. The quality of sound produce with diaphragm singing has to do with acceleration of air through vocal folds. You're working out a muscle to have better control and burst strength, you don't get that in a few weeks and def not in just a few months. You'll see results in a few weeks but that's not the same as actually being good at it.

>>6047288
>Yes, this includes Gura
Lmao.

>go watch Nijisanji or Kamatsubaki if you wanna listen to good singers
Post one on Gura's skill level.

>>6032091
The correct list

>>6047181
>Gura totally speaks with vibrato
I'd watch that anime

>>6047296
>Diaphragm breathing and singing aren't the same
No but you need to do one to do the other properly, diaphragmatic breathing is part of singing.

>The quality of sound produce with diaphragm singing has to do with acceleration of air through vocal folds
Yeah no shit, anon I don't think you've ever actually practiced this or understand it yourself, it sounds like you're parroting information you've misunderstood from some other source.

>You're working out a muscle to have better control and burst strength
Yes, training the muscles in the throat is what takes time and effort, using your diaphragm to breathe is something anyone can learn quickly.

The diaphragm is not the kind of muscle that you train in this way and it isn't difficult to use.

>it's another episode of "cumsharts pretend they are professional voice coaches because they googled the word vibrato"
Reminder that when people pointed out Gura's fuck-ups they coped with "b-b-but she doesn't know the language!"

>>6047500
Fuck ups with lyrics, especially in a different language, are not fuck ups with singing, holy cope.

Also Gura's vibrato is not the only technique discussed. Anons have also talked about her perfect pitch, her transitions through the passagio, her legato, her impressive tone, her belting ability, her harmonizing improv, and many other things.

>>6047602
Assuming Gura isn't using any tech to correct her vocal mistakes it's pretty undeniable she's pretty good at singing, although she does pronounce some things weird like her "ahoy".

>>6046154
This is the sort of nuance missing in this thread - no-one in Hololive is fully developed, except for Azki.

Suisei IS the last person to claim she is fully developed - she's vocally agile, but has issues with precision in her agility. She's gone a good deep tone, but it can still go deeper. She's got a good range, but her high notes are very, very dodgy, which feeds to issues when she sings in overly ambitious keys (her recent Karaoke cover of Error is a prime example of this) and also affects her Falsetto work. Even the control over her power can be shaky - this can be seen with how she approaches RAS songs versus how the original singer Raychell executes it.

> This. Although as someone who has been pretty harsh on Suisei in the past, one of her recent karaokes showed a LOT of improvement in that regard, at least for the first few songs. She's getting better.

This is the core of what Suisei is about. Suisei is all about getting better - her Karaokes in 2019 are nothing like that through 2020, and most certainly the singer she was as of Next Color Planet is not the same singer that worked with TakaInu.

She kind of shows she understands her issues - her high notes are very imprecise (and not sung comfortably), she needs to work on her octave transitions, she needs to try not to be only a one trick pony in terms of texture with Huskiness (hence all the experiments into hardening/softening her texture). Her Karaokes basically are her doing her reps, in so far the health of her voice could sustain her doing those reps.

Suisei is going to be judged harsher than most of Hololive or indeed, most Vsingers for that matter, because her ambitions are that much harsher to achieve. It's the Ringo Sheenas and Nana Mizukis of this world she wants to reach, ergo, she is judged on a harsher meter, and ergo she herself judges herself on that harsh meter in a way that EOPs don't even grasp, because the clippers rarely touch on this.

She doesn't say Takai at high note phases for fun, venturing out of her Mezzo range legitimately has always been challenging for her. It's a journey of years she's set for herself here, which we happen to see on a near weekly basis.

She's literallly does her reps, the real challenge is getting her actually good vocal coaching to make those reps count for more, but I pin this more on Cover, rather than Suisei here. It's been one of the pain points since INNK, where she should have received that vocal coaching at least instead of being allowed to flounder.

>>6047602
That's a lot of musical terms you just googled, but why didn't you mention her piss poor range?

>>6047602
You know what let's just go full singingfags, since you all know so much regarding technical terminology what is the veredict regarding Rikka Astel and Izuru compared to Gura? since other anons seem to be mentioning them a lot

>>6047724
>Assuming Gura isn't using any tech to correct her vocal mistakes
Anon her karaokes are all done live and the fine quality of her voice with all the subtle pitch fluctuations in her vibrato and such completely preclude the possibility that she's using any kind of pitch correction. There's no such thing as software like that which can go completely undetectable, it would change the entire music industry. Certainly the girl who struggles to figure out how to properly use a splitter to be able to stream rhythm games without a delay wouldn't know how to use that shit. Her voice is entirely naturally except for the standard reverb that everyone uses - and she's even gone a few songs without any reverb and her tone was so fucking good it STILL sounded amazing, which I doubt any of the other holos can match.

>>6047602
Nice attempt at historical revisionism shartcum.

>>6047602
Gura's issue is just confidence, to do her reps infront of the public non chumbud audience more often to drive that point home. I think she's just deathly afraid to make mistakes in public, never mind Karaokes are basically live-streamed practices often.

>>6047903
I've never listened to Izuru sing live.

Rikka and Astel are definitely better than Gura in terms of technique. Thing is, I just don't find the timbre of Astel's voice very appealing most of the time, even though I can respect his skill level.

>>6045314
Both Gura and Suisei have fantastic voices and should make a song together at one point, where each girl has a part of the song that plays up to the best aspects of their singing voice

>>6047876
You mean the nearly two octave range that was already proven earlier in the thread that you completely deflected, retard? Lmao

>>6048058
Ah yes can't wait for a million crying cumsharts seething over "muh mixer sabotage conspiracy #4719" because Gura gets mogged again singing with someone

>>6048058
This is true and chad as fuck. If Suisei stays within her comfortable lower register and focuses on her strengths and Gura plays around in the higher end they could potentially complement each other very well.

>>6047903

Rikka is the counterpart to Azki among the boys - he knows his niche and settles down in it, but in general is a highly developed and solid singer.

Astel is actually a showboater in many of his songs, much like Suisei, which means he takes alot of risks and gambles, which sometimes sound freaking impressive, and sometimes he misses his high notes totally. The difference is Astel sings for hours, upon hours, upon hours.

Izuru has a hoarse texture that is actually richly done, but he's... I'd say his issue is ultimately closer to Watame, in that just as Watame's texture is warm, Izuru's best singing centres upon his hoarse texture, which limits his versatility to some extent.

But since we are now getting higher quality posters in this thread after the utterly dreadful tribalshitshow early on, perhaps other anons could educate me on my hot-takes?

This thread has made me conclude that chumkeks are the worst fanbase on this board

>>6024739
Suisei and Gura are like the best two in hololive, and they could qualify as singers. But outside hololive, they are like the bare minimum I would expect from vsingers I would subscribe to.

>>6048134
Gura has never once been mogged by anyone in hololive in terms of singing. Yeah she has absolutely had her voice completely fucked by the mixer on two occasions but the other girls she was singing those songs with also got fucked over just as badly, at that point there's not even a comparison that can be made. We have Gura's live karaoke versions of the songs to compare to.

>>6048060
Gura's voice is naturally high pitched and you're comparing her to someone that's known for singing in a quiet whispery tone.

>>6048134
Who cares? The end result would most likely be really good, the girls will have fun, and we will get to see people seethe for absolutely no other reason beyond them being incapable of processing the mere idea of liking 2 people at the same time.

>>6048189
No one cares because you're the same schizo faggot who says this in every thread ever, your trolling is so obvious at this point. There's only so many times you can use the same verbal ticks and say the same fucking thing before you give yourself away. Go on, post more pekoras.

Risu > Azki > Gura > Suisei > Moona

>>6048145
Suisei does this all the time if she has a natural soprano to play of with - this is how HoshinoKanata works, and this is how Suisei-Nene worked together in the Uta. If you want to hear how Gura-Suisei would sound like, you need to watch Suisei-Nene's 3D Karaoke, that's a preview of what you are likely to get.

Ironically, Suisei also is forced into her comfortable lower register when she works with the likes of Toko, but in this scenario, she often has to fill in the role of a higher range singer if the song calls for it, which makes song fits for Tokomachi a very tricky proposition centered around the fact that Toko and Suisei's range overlaps require very specific song choices to be maximally effective. Suisei has talked at great lengths about the issues of Tokomachi, again never clipped, never translated, because it's never interesting clickbaity material.

>>6048261
Anon the comparison with the other singer literally doesn't matter for showing off the range, the fact is she demonstrates the range that the song requires, period. Holy absolute cope.

>>6048222
>literally proves me right
Based retard.

>>6048323
This but move Gura all the way to the left and you've about got it.

>>6022449
She's easily the most talented EN girl but you're being fucking delusional

>>6048419
this but move Gura all the way to the right

>>6048345
And she sings the lower notes like garbage. She can only sing the high notes well because her voice is high pitched, moron.

>>6048419
Risu completely assrapes Gura in singing kek

>>6048438
He's exaggerating but only a little bit. I think she easily CAN go mainstream given another year or two. She practices singing for hours almost every day and her improvement from debut is already very noticeable. She nearly does better renditions of a few songs than the professionals that recorded them can do live.

>>6022467
>>6024828
>>6048438
You think that's delusional?

BEHOLD.

>>6048507
>She nearly does better renditions of a few songs than the professionals that recorded them can do live
chumbuds actually believe this

>>6048486
>And she sings the lower notes like garbage
Lol nice cope. She's still on pitch, she just doesn't have as much tone in the lower end.

>>6048563
The lowest note Gura can go sounds pretty much the same as her normal speaking voice. Her range is garbage. Cope.

>>6048222
You want to legit compare to Gura? Forget Suisei, Suisei's a Mezzo who is closer to an Inui Toko- line Gura up against the true Sopranos of Hololive, like Super Nenechi, or Nijisanji's natural soprano, Chima. That's her competition under idol unit logic, even if Chima isn't an idol.

>>6048556
What is wrong with cumbuds

>>6048503
https://youtu.be/pl1b3N5lz_0?t=319

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k1ba4mfSH0

Not even close.

>>6048556
What the actual fuck is wrong with cumsharts

>>6048679
>>6048704
That one is a gosling off the deep end. Doesn't change the fact that legitimate singing professionals consistently rate Gura as one of the best in her company and it shows.

>>6048503
Risu is painfully lazy and doesn't do her reps.

>>6029607
BASED. Fuck these weebs.

>>6048694
Goddamn Risu stomps her hard.

>>6048754
What legitimate singing professionals? That one guy in thread who claims to be a professional?

I am a chumbud but not a delusional one.

Every chumbud should be able to name at least one better vsinger outside hololive, or they are just a frog living in a well.

>>6048827
The one who conveniently doesn't want to prove it kek

>>6048838
Literally the only female one I can think of is that indie girl, I believe her name is Nina.

>>6048838
That's easy. Chima the Freesia meme singer is better than Gura.

Oh, you want to start a tribalist war? Eliria is better than Gura, and is in very good company reaching out to Tokomachi and the rest of the Church of Ensta cultists.

>>6048804
>can't even stay on pitch in the first
Lol okay

Been a while since I broke this one out. Thoughts?

>>6048949
>[headcanon]
Cope.
Fun fact, that's her singing acapella and the sound was just laid over by clipfags.
Even acapella she still stomps the zero range shark. Sad!

>>6048951
Nene is underrated.

>>6048951
Literally swap the ENTIRE red tier with orange

>>6048951
One of the worst I've ever seen, congrats anon.

>>6048951
The top 2 tiers should be reversed

>>6048941
Notice how none of these posts ever once have video evidence of their claims, while Gura supporters always post vids like
>>6048694
>>6046930

>>6049014
>>[headcanon]
Anon if you're that tone deaf you literally don't even belong in this discussion lmao. Risu fucks up as early as the third line. Even when she's on pitch throughout the song, and she is good, it's not really better than Gura, and she's definitely not as good at final part where Gura belts those long notes in chest and improvs a better melody for them.

>>6049169
>headcanon

>>6048951
I can't believe Aqua is ranked the same as Ame and Coco.

>>6049169
>Risu fucks up
tbf Risu really forcing that fake voice probably gets in the way of singing naturally whereas Gura doesn't change her voice that much.

>>6048951
So much wrong and here is how you fix it

>Swap the first two tiers, orange should be red and red should be orange
>Move Watame and Polka to the new orange
>Move Nene to the new orange
>Move Roboco, Aqua, and Haachama up to yellow
>Move Amelia down from light green to dark green (seriously, she is even worse than Noel)

>>6048896
Yeah Nina Saotome is pretty good pick, and familiar with /vt/. And there are also Hachi and Leona who are pitch-perfect singers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81dezsUC3nc
https://youtu.be/_EoPuxagpdk

>>6048941
I listened to Elira. She's average but would do well within hololive in terms of singing.

>>6049169
If this is an EN to EN premise, then the logic should go something like: Hololive singers are all bad, Nijisanji's Elira is a stronger singer than Gura!

But since this thread is low on logic, low on sense, and is in the first place, a low effort bait whose premise is Cover is terrible at training talents, and bad at recruitment.

>>6049272
https://youtu.be/pl1b3N5lz_0?t=353

You have two choices here, anon. You can either insist that you really believe Risu doesn't fuck up pretty bad here, in which case you are tonedeaf and this discussion is over, or you can lie to my face and prove that you don't care about having a legitimate good faith argument about this at all, in which case this discussion is also over. In either case, you fucking lost.

>>6049428
I don't think Risu is better then Gura but I still think you're delusional

>>6049428
>poisoning the well
Next. Gura has zero range btw.

>>6049474
So are you tonedeaf or trolling?

>>6048694
Risu's voice is magnitudes more powerful than Gura's but Gura's is more controlled. Gura sounds better on Plastic Love but Gura would also never be able to bring the intensity that Risu brings in this for example...

https://youtu.be/ywjnT1zfbr4

I love them both but they are just good at different things.

>>6049487
>Gura has zero range btw.
Why do you even try when this got blown out already in this very thread

>>6049390
Hachi occasionally chokes during live singing and veers of course, for all of her virtues. She's nowhere near perfect. I should watch more Leona, but I admit I cannot speak about her with any confidence, even though I'm more familiar with Kyou.


Deeper issue here I think is that you could seriously question the quality of Cover's vocal training system here, given they do have singers that can be worked with, who aren't being properly pushed to their potential.

>>6049492
I just think Gura is a slightly above average singer and not as amazing as the chumbuds in this thread claim she is

>>6049558
Your disingenuously picked example got deboonked. >>6048630 Conveniently you didn't reply.
Not even me btw.

>>6049546
That's not by any means "magnitudes more powerful". Risu has good tone, but needs to work on accuracy. Gura has both tone and accuracy, and the meme that she has no power has been destroyed several times, she just doesn't sing POWER songs very often, but when she does it's amazing.

https://youtu.be/3Ij9LRGIj8c?t=179

https://youtu.be/6wBWZ21okRA?t=145

>>6049864
>that Titanium
>"amazing"
lmao

>>6021763
Azki isn't, Suisei isn't, Risu isn't

you're basing your opinion on EN which can't sing.

>>6049864
You are on fucking crack if you think the shark is REMOTELY close to Risu. Even Moona is better and Risu is better than Moona.

>>6049837
>>6048630
>sounds pretty much the same as her normal speaking voice
That's just a blatant fucking lie, it's lacking the rich tone she has across most of her range yes but it's still better than an average person and it's only on that very bottom two notes. She still shows a better range than anyone else in hololive with that song. Post any proof to the contrary, I'll wait.

>>6049926
(You)

>>6050068
I posted them side by side in the thread with Gura clearly singing better, there's nothing to "think". You can lie and pretend the proof doesn't exist all you want but nobody who isn't tonedeaf is going to take you seriously.

>>6045087
They don't watch Gura at all anon. It is amusing how dumb the take is.

Gura is the best vsinger

>>6050103
Nobody else sang that song you pathetic schizo.
>>6050240
>with Gura clearly singing better
Only in your hallucinating schizo mind.

>>6049926
Holy fucking cope

there is no way to convince people that their favorite is worse than another.

Besides, Elira is the best.
https://youtu.be/rbAS8GElVQA?t=7485

>>6048951
Calli up, watson down. Generally pretty solid though. I understand people wanting to swap the top two tiers but I think it's mostly fair. I might bump suisei up, and honestly everyone in the top two tiers could benefit from vocal lessons, but they're all pretty good as is, and can only improve.

>>6021763
Idk man shark girl sings good ngl

>>6024768
No one talented went to niggersanji
Niggersanji has not a single mediocre level singer, everyone is worse

>>6050103
lol just compare her to Risu who can sing in a very high pitched cutesy voice and then instantly switch to a low pitched mature voice. She gets absolutely btfo by her.

>>6050282
Seethe harder

>>6050266
>Nobody else sang that song you pathetic schizo.
No shit, because they don't have the range to pull it off, that's the fucking whole point.

But find another holo that can sing something which stretches from E3 to E5 or an equivalent two octaves anywhere on the scale.

>>6050347
Anon none of the examples of Risu singing in this thread can even stay on pitch.

>>6050386
Is this the mug vibrato retard from montgs ago lol

>>6050386
>No shit, because they don't have the range to pull it off
HAHAHAHA relying on literal fucking fanfiction in your mind now?
>t-t-they surely didn't sing this random song because they CAN'T
Hey guess what Gura's scared shitless to sing Chandelier because her weak-ass voice can't pull it off.

>>6050450
>a bunch of seething shitposting
>no video of another holo singing a 2 octave range
Still waiting on that proof

>>6050503
>deflecting
I won.

>>6050503
Now talk about the vibrato

>>6050526
>asking for proof is deflecting now
You didn't win shit lol, you can't just call something deflecting when that's clearly what you're doing, you just proved you are retarded.

>>6050556
>N-NO UI!!
Kek.
Address why Gura is scared of singing Chandelier you little bitch. Stop deflecting.

>>6050526
You said Gura's range is garbage. Anon has a song where Gura sings two octaves. You lost before you even replied once but now you're just digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole.

>>6048694
Well I don't really watch either, but I just wanted to say I like Risu's cover better here. This thread is a dumpster fire though.

>>6050681
Everyone does.

>>6050630
Post proof of your claims.

best singer

best acapella singer

>>6050706
Address why Gura is scared of singing Chandelier you little bitch. Stop deflecting.

>>6050754
I asked for proof, you can't just make up random bullshit and demand people "address it" when you have no proof.

>kawaii uguu one tone singer vs someone who can sing anything
real tough decision here

>>6050754
"address why [headcanon]"
kek

>>6050754
Address why you keep deflecting after anon proved Gura has a two octave range and won't reply to this >>6050653

>>6050730
Moona sang what, 60 plus songs in her 700k+ celebration Karaoke? Machine. She doesn't have the moe Kawaii voice though, but then again, most of the moe kawaii voice singers in Hololive are shite (sorry Miko, sorry Pekora).

>>6050799
You're the one who said the only reason people don't sing songs is because they can't.
So clearly Gura the zero range zero power shark can't sing Chandelier.

>>6050852
Stop trying to chime in just because your fellow cumshart is getting blown the fuck out.

>>6050920
Lol we're done here, thanks for conceding

>>6050852
She didn't sing the lower notes well, only the high ones. You're going to keep denying this entire thread even though it's true.

Gura actually is trash at singing and only white trash obsessed with muh good suthern gurl like her singing

>>6051047
Describe what parts of her singing are trash so I can watch another anon blow you out with timestamped karaoke clips again, this thread is actually really fun.

>>6050996
>AIIIEEE you can't just use my own logical fallacies against me!!
>runs away
Screencapped. I won and I won HARD. Screencapped btw.

>>6051036
https://youtu.be/ei4Zokk5kGs

Not him btw

In holo there are tiers of singing:

>high tier: Suisei, Azki, Risu, Moona, Towa, Astel
>mid tier: Watame, Marine, Miko, Pekora
>anime karaoke tier: shark

>>6051036
And Billie Eilish didn't sing the higher notes well, only the lower ones. So, Gura's range is merely about equal to, not better than, Billie Eilish, is your argument, yeah? Sure.

>>6051096
What part of the south are you from

>>6051112
Please I hope you actually did cap it so I see everyone laugh at you when you try to post that shit later thinking you "won" anything hahahaha, holy fucking embarrassing.

>>6051134
Keep trying
You are so close to winning my dude

>>6051313
they are objectively better, if you literally can't sing high notes you are technically inferior to the other singer. Risu is better, there is no debate.

Reminder

>If Gura only had perfect pitch, she would be in A tier.
>If she only had a fully developed harmonic tone, she would be A.
>If she only had perfect head voice/mixed voice transitions, she would be A.
>If she only had the best vibrato in the industry, she would be A.
>Any two of those, she would be S tier.
>She's got all four.
>Anyone putting Gura anywhere below the top spot is either completely ignorant of singing technique and has a bad ear, or they are EN hating /hlg/ autists practicing cope as an artform.

No one has ever been able to dispute this.

>>6050386
Sora's range is F3 to C7, supposedly.

>>6051036
Most singers, especially under-developed vocalists do not naturally do well outside their natural range (which is why natural range is natural). It's possible to sing well outside your natural range with proper training and years of proper singing reps, but the ones with potential in Hololive aren't doing their reps enough (Risu), likely is getting sub-standard training if any at all (Suisei/Watame) , or have an aversion against extending their range (Nene).

>>6050996
>>6051112
You're both actually embarrassing

>>6051373
All you gotta do is post proof from a live karaoke.

>>6051205
>PLEASE show me my embarrassing defeat where I run away master!!
As you wish.

>>6051353
>THE VIBRATOS
holy shit I knew it was you
Ahahaha give it a rest bro.

>>6050879
I wouldn't call either Miko or Pekora "shite", especially Miko who can sound damn good depending on the song.

https://youtu.be/FA6asBf5jYs
https://youtu.be/jkYg2eV3xBc
https://youtu.be/5BJD-x7G07c

>>6051423
That's not dispute, that's cope. Do you have any arguments?

>>6051414
>we did it reddit! we totally pwned a chumbud!
this thread is fucking gold

>>6051396
If you posted Sora Utas, you'd find alot of evidence not for Sora having poor pitch control but rather being a very nasal singer struggling to keep it under control.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56RsIzL0JXk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLwtfg57kbs

>muh range
kneel cumsharts

>>6051414
>anon actually thinks this looks good for him
Good fucking good the autism is off the charts hahaha, this is your average gura anti

>>6051396
Are cumbuds trying to deny Soras range now? Go watch her birthday retards

>>6051493
Indeed. I'm going to post this everytime I see this "totally a voice coach but can't prove it" bitch rear his head.

>shark is the best
not even the best ENsinger.
https://youtu.be/LCuu_sonwfY?t=46

>>6051493
Why do you think it has 200 replies? Won't surprise me if it's 1000, and we will see people posting proof from Utas that MAIR or Ruri is better than everyone in Hololive at this rate.

>>6051530
Just post the clip, friend. Chumbuds have posted like half a dozen vids with timestamps in this thread, why can't you?

>>6051460
8 months ago I laughed at your entry level knowledge of songing, told you gura wasnt that great and warned you that this obsession would just lead to angry arguments where sane people disagree with your biased assessment of hololive singers.
Here we are. Get a life dude. The vibratos!!!

>>6051543
Anon please do, it gives him more credibility because you look like such a retard.
>chumbud singeranon specifies 2 octave range in the reply chain and asks for proof to contrary, gets nothing but autistic shitposting
Like you actually believe that looks good for you in any way? hahahaha

>>6051414
Yeah! Yeah! That's gonna show them!

>>6051620
>8 months ago I was a delusional autist with no arguments and now I still am
That's sad bro.

>>6051568
No fucking retard you need to stop being an EOP degenerate and do your holo reps
Fucks sake you are embarrassing

>>6051560
you can't be serious?

>>6051677
>he thinks cumsharts watch anything but Gura

>>6051677
>Gura side repeatedly posts proof
>other side makes claims with no proof
>when asked to provide the proof they get mad and start lashing out like autists
You love to see it

>>6051454
>has a speech impediment
>stills sings with so much heart and soul
you guys have fun shit flinging about skill or whatever

>>6051675
KEKW the birch can't emote at all and she's an all star in your mind
Changing your mind would be like trying to change a chinks opinion on Xi, a fruitless effort

>>6051560

Elira has a much richer and layered texture, and though she's a high mezzo, tends to have a fairly disciplined pitch transition. Her limits currently is she's capped in how much power she can push into her singing (belting is not quite in her forte right now), and the fact her natural range isn't quite natural soprano, but neither does she show evidence of plunging into the borders of contralto (that I know of, counter evidence is welcome).

>>6051762
she has actual range, and she has done vocaloid songs that go even higher.

>>6051780
"proof"

>>6051780
>side
Dumb nigger respect your senpai
You deny Soras range, the first thing almost every hololive fan notices. You are a newfag EOP

>>6051795
>can't emote at all
https://files.catbox.moe/mydrkj.ogg

Your next cope will be lying through your teeth pretending there's no emotion in this performance.

>>6051795
>KEKW

>>6051780
Why cant they just post proofs?
I cant fucking understand

>>6051815
Oh so you were being serious when you posted that? Wow, I'm concerned for your mental health.

>>6051624
>i-i-if I call the vicious destruction of logical fallacies "shitposting", s-surely it will make it look like a win...
No.

>>6051834
You can deny it all you want but anyone who comes into the thread and reads the reply chains is going to be able to tell you're full of shit, and I know you know you're lying and it eats you up inside lol.

Gura is obviously one of the most naturally talented (in Hololive) but shes obviously not as good as Sora Azki Watame and not even CLOSE to the indogs (Risu Moona). The fact that some people think shes top 3 let alone top 5 in Hololive is worrying (but expected of EOP retards)

>>6051956
ogey

>>6051939
>Risu has more range, Elira has more range, somehow they are worse
So how do you judge singing ability?

>>6051962
Cumsharts literally need to LARP as voice coaches to pretend like their baseless opinions have weight.

>>6051942
The only logical fallacy taking place is you thinking you don't look like a retard claiming the other anon is deflecting because they asked you to post evidence of another holo matching a 2 octave range and you start screaming that asking for proof is "DEFLECTING", holy fucking lmao you are so stupid

>>6051880
Thats poor emotion compared to many holos
Thanks for being so free

>>6051785
Miko is truly the greatest treasure that vtubing has delivered us. I am thankful everyday and I've been happy everyday since I met Migobi!

>>6051962
Post proofs of technique from anyone you mentioned.

>>6052020
>NO U again
Next. Keep seething.

>>6051560
Since we are doing this, let's go into EN indies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4imGJhp0Og

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oYQ3XzAa9M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbHq3d_arXw

Kneel to the Owl. Girl doesn't just sing well enough to compete with the top Holos and Nijis, she outright composes, writes original lyrics and remixes her own works.

>>6052020
Muh OCTAVES
Holy shit what's wrong with cumbuds?

>>6052096
>NO YOU CAN'T USE SINGING TERMS I DON'T UNDERSTAND
Holy shit what's wrong with gura antis?

>>6052074
I agree, there are many amazing indies. You don't need a major company to be the best. Azki had a marathon stream full of people like that.

>>6051564
it shows no signs of stopping, i mean just look at this shit >>6051543
my sides are in orbit

I am a professional singer and voice coach of over 60 years and (as a professional) I can say that Gura's singing is shit and because I am a professional (don't ask for any proof I'm not going to doxx myself) my opinion is factually more important than yours

>>6052172
Kek
Cumsharts absolutely nuked

>>6052118
2 octaves is pathetic "range" cumchama

>>6052172
Crying shame that the ones supporting Gura actually go into detail on singing technique and have example clips to support it and you have nothing but shitposting.

Serious tier list:

Unique voice with good pitch control but weak lows tier: Gura
Good fundamentals but lacking smooth transitions tier: Suisei
Possibly great for opera but using the wrong voice for idol singing tier: Sora
Lots of soul but incredibly short breath tier: Azki
Okay singing but great at Nana Mizuki songs tier: Mio
Chillax but occasionally impresses tier: Okayu
Rarely sings seriously so can't really judge progress tier: Risu

https://files.catbox.moe/xburri.mp4
you still heard it
kneel

>>6052200
Then you should be able to post a lot of examples of other holos doing better?

>>6052218
Gtfo cumshart no one is listening

>>6052200
NOOO YOU CAN'T POINT THAT OUT
I SAID OCTAVES THAT MEANS I'M A PROFESSIONAL VOICE COACH

>>6052218
Examples? You retards tried to insinuate Sora has no range. That's why no one is taking you seriously.
Would be like a supposed physicist arguing that the world is, in fact, flat

>>6052277
No I'm having a lot of fun now that you're reaching full autistic meltdown levels from getting repeatedly BTFO by the cute little shark girls talent

>>6052120
Athena is super under the radar, this woman literally works multiple shifts somewhere in medicine and finds time to somehow put out works like this in her spare time. And she isn't the only name in the EN indies either who deserve more attention, though her composition ability sets her apart from many of the other stronger singers.

>>6051134
>Mid tier: pekor, migo.

>>6048694
This is who people have been saying is better than Gura? You guys need to clean out your ears.
Risu couldn't even stay on pitch which should be basic for a singer.

>>6052305
No one insinuated anything we just asked for proof.

>>6052343
>Not the first post from this IP
>parroting older posts
Everyone can see right through you.

>>6052262
Why? So you can cope and jerk off about muh vibratos like before?
Not my job to teach a supposed "singing coach" on the talents of singers in a company he should already know. But doesn't because he's a larper.

>>6052351
>needs proof that Sora has range
eop-chama...

>>6052219
Suisei's noted for daring to do her transition reps again and again., even though, or maybe because she knows she's weak at this. I think she'll get there, and we'd see it happen at high resolution given the frequency of her Utas when she's able to stream/is healthy enough to stream.

>>6052294
Anon that's for singers. Normal average people cannot sing two octaves. If you can go ahead and post the vocaroo.

Go listen to Risu doing Snow Halation and tell me she isn't the best holo.

>>6052294
Since cumsharts are so proud that Gura can sing 2 octaves, but 2 octaves are the normal range, that means they acknowledge that Gura's range is normal (read: shit) right?

>>6052351
You want to be fucking spoonfed on 4chan now
What is wrong with cums?

i think the squirrel is pretty good
https://youtu.be/iROjR5VdWJU

>>6052390
That's a lot of excuses and cope when you can just say "I have no proof, I don't know shit about singing, I concede'.

>>6052305
>You retards tried to insinuate Sora has no range.
No one said that tho

>>6052475
See
>>6052465

>>6052435
>but 2 octaves are the normal range
For a singer. Yes. Gura has the normal range for a professional singer.

>>6052519
So she's a C tier. lul

>>6052510
That post doesn't say anything about Sora at all, are you retarded??

>>6052519
Maybe for a shitty pop singer

>>6052544
No because range is not even close to being all there is to singing, and her tone, transitions and pitch accuracy are all well above average. But keep digging yourself a deeper hole showing you don't know what you're talking about and chumbuds do, lol.

>>6052559
Not my fault you can't read reply chains newfag