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>>6065075
pic also unrelated

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>>6065075
Oh fuck again so fast? as if that other Singing thread wasn't enough with the octaves debate

>>6065656
What octaves debate?

Is AZKi in hololive yet? If she is then she is about one order of magnitude better than all of them. Whoever is in second place is up to taste.

>>6065983
which dick is best to train her throat

>>6065075
wrong

>>6065075
>>6065160

Not related too

>>6065075
Probably that one whose EP hit iTunes #1 and who sung the song for Hololive Alternative PV

>>6065591
Probably has the most unbeliable potential in the group but I'm sure she will NEVER, EVER, get proper lessons and will stay on her level with slight improvements over her lifetime, seriously, this woman is a siren.

>>6065075
I'll give you a hint is not Gura or Suisei.

>>6066184
>>6066116

>>6065591
I hope she actually releases a full album one day. Maybe after she graduates she'll take singing lessons to fine tune and becomes a pop/country star.

>>6065160
Why is suisei so sexy?

>>6066251
Do you actually think that the meme shark is good enough to become a pro?

>>6066271

Why is all of her fanart so shit like her?

>>6066287
She is good enough to become a Pro but lacks the spirit to go "MAX POWER" like Suisei so I doubt it.

>>6065983
>hlgg still thinking that Gura has 2 octave range

Jesas, Gura probably tied with Kanata in terms of highest vocal range in Hololive

>>6066361

Bait better

Only absolutely braindead contrarians pretend that Gura isn't an exceptional singer.
Also Moona's surprisingly really good.
And Nene isn't the best singer, but gets bonus points from me for being able to consistently perform while moving around like a badger on crack. That shit is genuinely impressive.

>>6065075
>pic not related
Got a good laugh on that one

>>6066652
I agree fellow professional singer

>>6065075
I have listened to the unofficial Noel King cover more than any other Holo song. The epitome of SOUL.

None of these cunts are sing lol

>>6066440
i'm not baiting
A2 https://youtu.be/bqmtShREqUE?t=38
B5 https://youtu.be/m8AG0OV1QCI?t=242

**live sounds

some potential https://youtu.be/BQTSqFLeIPM?t=15

>>6066787
The venom in your post is undercut by the silliness of the "cunts are sing" error. Regrettable.

>>6066798
I appreciate that you posted proof. Too bad Gura antis are so determined to call her a bad singer though that they'll just ignore all evidence

>>6066301
Why do you choose to be a gigantic faggot?

>>6066813

Still correct tho. Kys.

>>6067267

Because I am the one. Do better at baiting.

>>6066813

Name one memorable song

>>6066010
As a Hoshiyomi, I have to bow to Azki's prowess. I'd also rate Rikka from the boys at parity with Azki.

>>6067049
I hear more shit from chumbuds about Gura is unquestionably the best singer in vtubing and to suggest otherwise is being an anti. She's good and the best of her generation/branch, but the best in the entire company is pushing it.

>>6065983
It was a shitshow of a debate over Gura's range (and just range alone, no-one engaged on other aspects of singing), complete with clip comparisons, an assertion Risu was better than Gura and several other popcorn worthy moments that propelled the old iteration of this thread to 500+ replies before it died.

>>6067381
chumbuds don't only say that she's best in the company, they claim she is on the same level as actual professional singers.

>>6067599
Gura can already sing better than some mainstream professional singers
https://youtu.be/4a85kt49buw
I don't know why people are so unwilling to admit it.

>Another singer thread that devolves into chumkeks shilling for their pitchy godess.

Jesus you people make KFPs look phoned in

>>6067959
At least chumbuds don't claim Kiara is good at singing like KFPs.

>>6067979
Gura and Mori are the only decent HoloEN singers

>>6068020
>Mori
>Decent

>>6068082
Someone hasn't watched Mori's singing streams, that's for sure, or how she accesses herself in those streams. Mori's actually based enough to have a proper critical assesment of what she's lacking in right now, in her singing streams.

>>6065075
>He doesn't like the pure suffer kino that is Noel singing.

>>6068082
Isn't she already a professional singer

>>6067381
>>6067599
>>6067959
It's honestly adorable. They're not dramafagging, these dumbuds just love their oshi too much to be able to imagine anyone sounding better than her.
I can't even argue with that, it's like a kid who thinks his parents are literally invincible

>>6067381
>but the best in the entire company is pushing it.
It's really not, unless you're talking about holostars.

>>6068349
Anon there is constant proof posted in every single one of these threads of Gura sounding better and every argument to the contrary is always full of shitflinging, namecalling and personal attacks at chumbuds with literally zero substance EVER. At this point you have to be an idiot to take any of the antis seriously.

>>6067959
>someone starts a thread about singing in hololive
>surprised that the best singer in hololive is constantly mentioned
Wow shocker.

>>6068288
Mori is a rapper, she can't really sing very well at all. She can write lyrics, write music, and she can animate, she's got a lot of talents, but her singing voice is absolutely mediocre. She's got a lot of potential though if she starts practicing.

>>6068082
Have you compared her to any of the other HoloENs

>>6065591
I finally listened that because people keep sperging over it.

She's like B+ or A- tier in Hololive as far as singing ability goes. I'd rank at least Ass-key, Watame, Towa, Suisei and Okayu above her and many more on-par.

>>6068787
>She's like B+ or A- tier in Hololive as far as singing ability goes
If you've never heard her live karaoke and are judging her singing ability based on that one track, you have no idea anon. That song is good, but it does very little for Gura's strengths as a singer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0soFAnYlK4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vOjy-igzhk

>I'd rank at least Ass-key, Watame, Towa, Suisei and Okayu above her
Serious question, have you even once listened to any of them sing live? The fact that Towa is rated highly suggests you probably haven't and just go off their recorded tracks. Towa's produced songs like Error sound fucking amazing but live she can't even come close to that performance, it's all in the mixing.

>>6068787
Gura's a specialist with acoustic ballad-y type tracks. Her voice and singing personality fits that setting extremely well since the instrumentation is simpler and the singing can be more free-form. The real test is her non-acoustic songs i.e. her covers and Reflect. And there you can see she's coming up a bit against her limitations. I'd say karaoke Gura is A+ tier but non-karaoke she's around a B+.

I think the best raw talent is Risu. I haven't heard enough from AZKi/Suisei since I don't really like their type of songs so I can't comment. Towa I'm not 100% sold yet. Kanata is really solid but her voice needs just a bit more warmth. Moona's really good too.

>>6065075
I never sit through full song streams but unironically linger the longest in Danchou's. It's like smelling a weird smell, it evokes a primal intrigue.

>>6069074
I've checked one of her karaoke streams also, and I stand with my opinion. Even with Towa. I do admit that the fact that she never streams at times when I'm awake though, so I haven't listened to them as much. You're of course free to go listen to the others live also.

>>6065075
Pic related

>>6069169
Suisei and Azki specializes in completely different types of songs - Azki is a ballad specialist, while Suisei is more or less going down the J-rocker girl vocalist path. If you don't like J-ballads or J-rock....

>>6069169
Also, Risu is the most infuriating case of wasted talent, chained to a very limiting obsession with cute singing in her character voice. Moona will overtake her with the dedication Moona is putting into the craft at this rate, both in terms of networking with producers and in terms of singing skills at this rate.

>>6069169
Gura cannot and does not want to sing faster paced tracks. You can hear her struggling with Next Color Planet and Ahoy during her 2M celebration. She doesn't have the vocal agility to do well with them. Heck, even give her something as simple as Nene's Nenenene Daibakusou and she will stumble over it a lot.

Risu and Moona are dark-horse contenders for the best singing around, but frankly, Risu's actual end-goal is wanting to become a seiyuu and she's never getting there.

Towa's singing lacks confidence, Watame's vocals lack timbre, Okayu needs to also get into more high-tempo songs with faster transitions (which her Cute na Kanojo and Cat Eye Make covers are pushing her with), and Suisei knows her transitions, falsettos and textures are shite compared to the LiSAs of the industry, who are her benchmark for how good her singing should be.

If I get a dollar whenever someone said in this board that Risu is wasting her talent, I'll be able to buy the majority shares of Cover and force her to sing more.

>>6069567
If I got a dollar whenever chumbuds claimed Gura was the best singer in Hololive I'd be able to buy the whole company and fire her

>>6065160
can suisei do the split like that?

>>6069442
I don't disagree with your points but this is funny to me

> Gura cannot and does not want to sing faster paced tracks.

She did that meme Rockfeller Street song where she doubled the tempo for fun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bXyj6OIDg8

Not sure I understand the comment on Watame's timbre though. By definition you can't "lack" timbre. You can lack certain preferable qualities of timbre its impossible to lack timbre itself. For me, Watame's singing sounds too almost much like her actual voice.

>>6069442
>You can hear her struggling with Next Color Planet and Ahoy during her 2M celebration.
She "struggled" with those due to nerves and because she doesn't speak the language, anon. It's a lot of work to memorize by sound an entire song, especially a fast and complex one like Ahoy. Also, she did that karaoke sitting down. And the thing is that even despite these debuffs, her performances were very close to being on par with live versions from Suisei and Marine, they just weren't up to Gura's full potential. Her tone is so much better than Suisei's I would argue her NCP is actually better than some of Suisei's live performances, I've listened to them side by side.

https://youtu.be/Qn_VYUKRcfE
vs
https://youtu.be/UciPumOwnys

Granted that one from Suisei is a year old now and she has definitely improved in that time span, but again this is up against Gura not even really trying, she's singing in a sitting position. So this isn't the full potential from either of them, but it's still clear that Gura can at least match her in that song.

>Risu and Moona are dark-horse contenders for the best singing around
Risu doesn't have the pitch accuracy for this. Gura's is razor sharp, that advantage alone makes her win out in every head to head comparison in hololive, even with other areas that she lacks in. It doesn't matter how much power or agility someone has, if they aren't hitting the right notes they still sound amateur. When Risu IS on point, she sounds really good, and she's usually my second place best, but I haven't seen her show that consistency too often.

>>6069618
Why would you fire your best singing talent? This is why you don't own a business.

>>6069618
based

those cumbuds needs to watch more of Suisei, Risu, or Moona.

>>6069682
the point is I wouldn't be firing my best singing talent

>>6069682
>this whole post

>>6069689
I watch all four of them and Gura is definitely the overall strongest singer. Each has their moments and the best stuff from any of the four is better than the worse stuff from any of them so the gap isn't as big as people say it is, but all things factored in together Gura has the most raw talent and unique sound.

>>6069697
Sure, anon. Sure.

Toss up between Suisei and AZKi, then closely followed by Soda.

All this talk about Risu got me curious, tho.

>>6069711
>having no arguments

>>6069735
sneed

>>6069169
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>>6069442
I wish we get more threads like this. Posted one but it was completely ignored.

>>6065075
Astel/moona

>>6069723
It's one person that keeps shilling Risu in every singing thread (probably Risu herself)

>>6069906
Risu doesn't strike me as the kind of self-absorbed person to do that, I think it's just one really obsessed prisuner. It's also true that Risu is underrated because a lot of people just don't even listen to the IDs and her and Moona are both easily top 5 in hololive in some capacity.

>>6066798
>A2
kek anon pls

>>6065591
LoL u wish

>>6069906
Lmao

Gura isn't better than fucking AZKi what are you niggers even smoking? Are all HoloENfags like this?

>>6070012
/vt/ has a heavy bias towards favoring EN and ID nowadays.

>>6070012
I know it's probably just style but her voice is too breathy so she struggles when she has to hold notes without preparation. She usually just goes soft.
I think she's in the opposite side of the spectrum compared to suisei
Suisei tends to belt everything while azki just goes breathy and soft.

Wasn’t Twapper literally an idol before? There you go

>>6070012
AZKi being especially good is a meme from people who just know her as "the singing holo" and therefore assume she's the best without ever even listening to her. Don't get me wrong, she isn't bad, but she's absolutely nothing special or outstanding. Her tone is lifeless at times and her high notes are thin and a little flat. Her live performances crank up the volume of the music to drown out her singing to cover up her flaws and she basically just doesn't manage anything impressive. She's all spectacle of "cute girl dancing on stage" and no substance in the voice. Suisei even outshines her when they do duets.

>>6070154
I listen to her lives and all her karaoke streams. Fuck off, she is a great singer.

>>6070180
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb_fih6glZk

I listened to all of this to make my determination. The idea that she's better than Gura based on this performance is fucking laughable.

>>6069682
> She "struggled" with those due to nerves and because she doesn't speak the language

So why was Suisei's EN language singing on her unarchived + Red as solid as it was? Best way to actually compare this is to have Gura singing Red, but we know she's not doing that.

> but again this is up against Gura not even really trying, she's singing in a sitting position

Did she say this in a members' stream? Why deliberately nerf yourself on a celebration? That's actually a bit disrespectful when you look at it with the angle of performing your best on other songs members of your company have worked on.

I've even read JP-side people complaining that Suisei's song recordings on her home set-up sound like the inside of a softdrink can because she hasn't been able to spend the time to re-calibrate her equipment.

I cringe whenever any members of Hololive sings. Probably the only videos that I do not watch.
Bitches need some singing lessons if you want to be called an "idol".

>>6070246
There are only like 3 good niji singers and 1 good holo. Where are the good ones?

>>6070202
>Suisei set up sounding like inside of a soft drink
Ok I laughed more than I should have

>>6070202
Yeah, since January Gura has put more actual effort into her singing, she's using more of her lower register and standing up, also belting more.
Suisei tends to rely too much on her strength and she doesn't leave room for dynamics. She needs to work on that.
She's been improving a lot too, it's extremely noticeable

>>6069220
The rap she was doing at the start of Connected Fantasia had me rolling. She may not have the talent for singing but she at least tries to be entertaining while doing it.

I feel like people in this thread should actually look up some vocal coaching and also distinguish between what singing technique and a natural singing voice is.

>>6070202
>So why was Suisei's EN language singing on her unarchived + Red as solid as it was?
One of the areas where I can say for certain Suisei is better than Gura is she's much more experienced and so nerves don't get to her nearly as much. Getting past that takes time. I'd wager that Suisei has also put more effort into english than Gura has into japanese.

>Did she say this in a members' stream?
I actually thought she mentioned it during the stream itself but if not it may have been in whatever stream came afterwards. She sits down for karaoke pretty often such that she actually makes it a point to say when she's standing up for something, and the difference is IMMEDIATELY noticeable, it makes such a huge improvement.

>Why deliberately nerf yourself on a celebration? That's actually a bit disrespectful when you look at it with the angle of performing your best on other songs members of your company have worked on.
I can only speculate why she didn't give it her best shot. Maybe she didn't have enough time to practice all of those songs within the window where it was acceptable to do a celebration stream after the milestone. Maybe she didn't want to do a much better version of a senpai's song because upstaging them at their own music might be seen as even more disrespectful. Maybe the nerves just got to her so much that the resulting lack of confidence made her not try harder. Or any combination of the above.

And yes it could also be that she needs to work on vocal agility for faster tempo songs. She can manage them but I don't think she's able to close off her full-throated notes quickly enough to do the faster ones with the rich tone she's known for and that's most of what makes her special as a singer.

>>6070393
practicing karaoke is one thing, but vocalisis, preparing your voice, and training is another. Gura does her lip and tongue rolls, and actually stands up to maximize breath support.

>>6070480
Based. Also, some people need to learn talent =/ skill. Just because you have a nice voice =/ great singer.

>>6070393
If I were Suisei I would train bridging chest to head voice, and she really needs to reinforce her head voice, it's the weakest part of her singing by far. If she can do that she'll be solid enough to have an actual niche where she can perform some styles of song better than Gura or Risu. Sometimes she's on a roll and belting really strong, and then she goes to jump up into head and goes flat and her tone gets flimsy.

Is this two octave thread?

>>6070654
If you're talking about Gura she has both one of the best natural voices and the best technique, that's what makes her so damn strong. Being able to smoothly transition between registers and do those clean legato runs and vibrato is not something part of a natural voice, that's the very definition of technique.

>>6070732
Reading this makes me curious about the strength and weakness of Holo singers

AZKi or Suisei. They have different merits.

>>6070830
Risu needs a better mic and to stop being so stuck up and just sing some fucking songs
Gura needs to drop the idea that she has to sing idolshit because it doesn't suit her voice
Suisei needs to crank it down a bit
Moona needs to fix her accent
Anya needs to sing more, she's the best.
https://youtu.be/CRgde186ni8

>>6070803
Gura really is one of the best singers of Hololive, its just that her voice is best paired with acoustic, slow-paced instrumentals. Vibrato really is a hard skill, let alone a talent itself. What she honestly lacks is the mixture of both her chest and head registers (mixed voice), and though at times she unconsciously does it, what more if she learns/practices using it. Her voice is honestly wasted on lower register imo.

Other singers in Hololive really have their niche that can also make them stand out, but its just that Gura is my oshi and she was my gateway into this rabbit hole. Not disregarding any singer if anyone replies to this.

>>6069975
then what do you hear ?

>>6070993
>What she honestly lacks is the mixture of both her chest and head registers (mixed voice)
Yeah I think the fact that she can do it naturally is exactly why she never learned to do it intentionally, she might not even understand the difference. She's only recently started belting in chest voice at higher notes rather than switching to head.

>Her voice is honestly wasted on lower register imo.
I mean I disagree, if anything I think she needs to stretch her range lower because she can sound amazing in a lower key but she is unable to get the most out of her tone there right now. I'd rather she become more well-rounded than overfocus in one area where she already shines.

Say whatever you want about hololive but they'll never be as good and as kino as these REAL singer!

>>6070830
It's tricky to get a good-faith assessment on VT, unfortunately, with all the false flagging and bad faith takes floating around.

>>6070732
Does she show any signs she's aware of this weakness though? It seems kind of hard to figure this out, unless you have access to the right kind of vocal coaching, and Suisei doesn't exactly seem interested in getting it.

>>6071309
>Does she show any signs she's aware of this weakness though?
She has a vocal coach, she almost definitely knows, and she's improved in other areas in recent months so she probably just needs more time to work on it. These things don't happen overnight.

>>6071435
From what I understand, Suisei's vocal health issue in the beginning of the year also kind of made it hard for her to work on this issue? I recalled she spent much of Late January to April avoiding the upper parts of her range.

>>6071517
Yeah that's another thing, she's been held back by whatever vocal damage situation she had going on. Possibly as a result of overtraining strength in her voice without using enough air compression, or not taking breaks when she was straining her vocal cords (since being a streamer means she needs to be able to talk on stream, she probably wasn't resting her voice enough).

>>6070154
or maybe because they also know who her roommate is and she is a known utaite for over 10 years.

>>6071602
My understanding is Suisei went through years of not being formally trained whatsoever, and this included hours upon hours of self-training herself in Karaoke booths without solid fundamentals.

The time for formal vocal training should have been when she entered INNK, but that never happened, apparently, INNK didn't even arrange vocal training for Suisei. She did have to lower her stream voice at the strong urging of her doctors, so she definitely seems to be a solid Mezzo who tried to self-teach herself trying to sing in Soprano.

I've always wondered why she's set taken a certain approach that doesn't play to her stronger deeper range ever since her voice got better in April, such as her rendition of Error at the key she did, but if indeed she's on some level aware of the need to work on her transition between the chest and head voice, this might be the reason why she's taking this approach, as sub-optimal as it currently is.

>>6069870
The correct answer.

>>6065075
Ayame
Mio
Suisei
Kanata

>>6071777
I'm glad to see Astel starting to get more viewers now of days, man deserves alot more attention.

>>6071140
So Gura was never formally trained yet still has that amazing voice? Makes me wonder how much better she would be with some training

>>6065075

>>6065075
Suisei's dog friend

>>6069637
Probably not. She was really athletic as a kid, but lost a lot of her ability because she didn't practice.

>>6072304
His singing is great. I wish he got more acknowledged

Whatever helps you sleep at night, anon

>>6065136
Why are they forcing gamers to sing anyway?