/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>61568214
Its true fucking nijikuro doesn't even have 3D, not a single one of their talents have 3D or will have 3D ever.

>>61568378
this is a bug chuuba too right

>>61568378
>Its true fucking nijikuro doesn't even have 3D, not a single one of their talents have 3D or will have 3D ever.
HoloSISSY...

>>61568214
>vshojo events
zzzzzzzzzzzzz

>>61568982
is that the sound the fax machine makes when they ask the holomanagers for permission

>>61569108
is the sound of no one giving a fuck.
they didnt care about their cocnert much less about whatever little thing they do now

>>61569108
kek

damn russians really are the best at propaganda

>>61568214
Hololive is trash. If their "talent" knew any better they would have already left.
Let's stop dancing around and act like we only dislike the management.

>>61570514
Sister...

>>61571021
Sister? Same applies to nijisanji, but this thread isn't about them.

>>61568214
Selen
>plans an outfit design contest
>management rejects it the first time
>selen tries again
>management won't give any cash as prize money, selen has to use her own pockets
>management's ToS says all entries automatically become their property, even if they don't win, and can use them without compensating or crediting the artists

>>61571021
>>61571119
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHB0mZQ0dRg

>Coco management

>Management shutting down and mistreating project hope

>Hitomi chris

>>61570514
I'm sure you'll be 3view one day, sister.

and what is that amazing event she is doing that is better than whatever mio hasever worked on?

>>61571119
Matara used to work for Nijisanji, her praise for VShojo's management has always been a diss against Niji management.

>>61571531
Where am I disagreeing with what you're saying?

>>61571618
I assumed you were the anon calling Hololive trash

>>61571735
I am. How is hololive not trash and how does saying that mean nijisanji is good?

Neither Vshojo or Hololive's management is perfect but they're both far better than Nijisanji's.

>>61572109
Vshojo's is damn near perfect.

>>61571198
this sounds cartoonish greedy like scrooge mcduck greedy

IRyS
>get hired as a vsinger
>project manager immediately runs your voice ragged
>proceeds to disappear off the face of the earth
>contact regular manager to ask about something
>

Pretty funny Vkeks are pretty much what they used to hate 2 years ago

>>61572493
>assuming they leave their general

>>61568214
well what do you expect when there are like 600 talents in the other company?

>>61568214
then why wasn't she in the zentreya event?
too busy with the PR campaign?
lol

>>61572551
But you're here right now.

>>61573000
honest question? Niji ptsd. She was afraid of people bitching and anting her for "too many collabs". There are many times during stream she says something about not doing something because she is afraid of "problems". Niji PTSD is fucked up.

>new niji gen happens and discussion moves there
>all the roach mom posts are gone
Hmm

>>61568378
>>61568872
>posts that are too retarded to even pass a room temp iq
So, this is what nijisis look like.

>>61568214
>Nijiintern isn't even mentioning how Cockroach Mama is obviously mocking her former company but had to insert Hololive because intern needs that 3% increase in salary.
>anons saw through nijiintern deflect thread and mentions cockroach mama came from NijisanjiEN and asks why is intern comparing it to Hololive?
>Intern answers that NijisanjiEN wasn't even mentioned so it's not part of the discussion thread.
Kek. Nijiinterns are so creatively backrupt that even their deflect threads lacks good cover on their stories. Lmao
Btw intern kun, AR concert doko?

How do VShojo pay for this management when they don't take any money from the talents?

>>61571531
Yes and who is the other person mentioned in the OP retard hmmmm?

>>61568214
Intern... Ask Rikusama... My home 3D doko?

>>61574245
Unironically, gunrun makes a bunch of money with a livestreaming backpack business that is pretty much just tangential to all the vshojo stuff.

>>61574245
They take sponsorships and merch money.

>>61571198
It's actually worse than that. Selen never wanted to use company money as a prize. She wanted to use her own. They didn't let her do it the first time anyway.

By contrast, Ironmouse, Melody, and Silvervale (before she left) have all had outfit design contests where they gave cash to winners. Mouse specifically was supposed to only pick 5 winners, upped it to 10 when she saw how many good entries she was getting, and then wound up picking something like 27 in total by the end where each of them got a thousand for being picked.

>>61568214
Niji deflection thread

>another fucking console wars thread
Why can't all (You) retards just fuck off back to /v/?

>>61568214
>False premise
>False premise
>''Big difference huh?''

Anon...

>>61574827
What's false? Hololive members are not allowed to do events without management approval and management doesn't help them.

>>61574827
marine... pekora... coco...

>>61575630
Marine and Pekora would love vshojo.

>>61568214
Stop shilling yourself Nina. Its over. You got kicked out of Niji for being a toxic backstabber. Be happy that vshojo picked you up and improve yourself.

>>61575654
i was referring to their big projects blocked by management

I want a concert dayo!
>Vshojo: Bet.
>Hololive: check back with me in 2 years
>Nijisanji: HAHAHAHA fuck you

>>61575702
Yeah and they would love vshojo because they could do thsoe projects in vshojo.

>>61576064
maybe idk i don't know anything about them

>>61576361
So you know for certain they had "big projects" blocked by management but you know nothing about them? Something doesn't add up here.

>>61574931
Hololive is pretty good for talents who try to help themselves, like Pekora, Suisei, Mori, Bae, Koyori. Management itself is retarded and mostly useless, and sometimes even harmful, but being in the company does give access to great resources, contacts and exposure to the girls to further their career and projects. NijiEN management is harmful, but also doesn't seem to give their talents many resources. I'm sure if you asked one of the holos I mention above they'd honestly think the pros of being in holo far outweigh the cons.

>>61576415
All of them would be better off in Vshojo.

>>61576401
people make threads about major events like pekora crying on stream. people don't make threads explaining pekora's entire personality.

>>61576467
You have no idea what actually happened. There were no big projects.

>>61576436
Suggesting that Pekora would be better off in vShojo makes it obvious you're not discussing this in good faith. There are some holos where they might be able to achieve similar success in vShojo, but she isn't one of them.

>>61576484
yea there was. gonna try to gaslight me into thinking she doesn't have a monkey next?

>>61576512
No there weren't. You didn't even see the stream.

>>61576539
i did see it actually

>>61576512
A FUCKING MONKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>61576415
>talents who try to help themselves
remember when coco wasn't allowed to explain herself to the chinese or appoint her viewers as mods or even ban the spammers herself?
she literally had to write up account names in a list and then send them to a manager to ban them, this manager then fatfingered the button to turn them into moderators instead

>>61576603
I did say "sometimes even harmful", that includes this kind of thing. I don't disagree with you, but yeah even with those drawbacks the company is a net positive for at least a bunch of talents.

>>61576603
Yea I remember that sadly...

>>61576671
a net positive for the ones that the managers haven't decided to screw over i suppose

>>61575654
Marine? i doubt it, a possibility remain, but i seriously doubt it.

Pekora? she care about kids audience (and no, not the "cool kids" audience vshojo boast)
There is no way in hell she'd like vshojo.

>>61576564
You didn't

>>61576753
the member stream of her explaining the situation got posted in a catalog thread and i know nihongo so yes i did see it no matter how much you kick and scream you weird nerd.

>>61568214
>JP company behaving like JP company
>Pretend to be shocked and outraged
Cover is literally the best one out there, better than average JP company by most metric period.
But it is, in the end, still a JP company.
VShojo is better for streamers, unless you want to produce Idols.

>>61576797
Now tell me about Marine's "big project" cancelled by management. You also saw that stream, right? You know nothing about them but you've seen all of the streams.

>>61576934
VShojo is an idol company.

>>61576934
Vshojo is better for idols too. they offer everything hololive does and more

>>61576962
why are holofags so weird lmao you read the same threads that i can read. shit that gets posted on the catalog every day for a week straight is not secret knowledge.

>>61577083
So all of your "information" copmes from posts made up of headcanon. There were no "big projects" cancelled by management.

>>61577125
why are you coping

>>61577274
But you're the one coping. You can't source a single one of your narratives. I can make a thread right now about kson being a whore and that makes it the truth.

>>61577291
no seriously why are you pretending that things that we both saw on stream did not happen. are you like a mega autist who pushes this out of his mind or something?

>>61577344
But they didn't happen. You didn't even see these streams.
Just skip to the part where you seethe about everyone being windybigolaf so we can get this all over with and you can cry yourself to sleep.

>>61577371
???

>>61577392
Where's the source? Catalog threads are not sources.

>>61577414
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm8sJUuplfc
i found this translated one so that even you can understand it.

>>61576737
Marine would absolutely prefer vshojo over hololive
She is already considering graduating

>>61577461
No mention of a "big project" being cancelled.

>>61574245
It's a multi-channel network. They tack on facilitation fees every time they do something on one of the members' behalf. That's why they are so helpful. They also aren't paying out of pocket, they are advancing her money (which also has a fee). When the money comes in, Vshojo gets paid their fees, then the vendors they hired (who Vshojo frequently charges a fee to work with them), then the streamer (minus Vshojo's cut). If it doesn't make money, the streamer covers the difference.

>>61568214
Why is an ESL shilling vshoujo?

>>61577544
whatever helps you cope. also as a side note you are having a full on schizo meltdown over the fact that i said "maybe idk" to whether or not marine and pekora would prefer being in another company. that's the most intense corpofaggotry that i've seen on this board yet. you even brought up kson for no reason. good job defending the billion dollar company from such viscous slander.

>>61572263
Well what is there to manage on twitch. You can play any game without needing perms/ can do react content without repercussions and can do lewd ass jokes about eating cum?

>>61577625
No, it's about you admitting that you don't actually know anything about them but also claim to know for sure that they had "big projects" cancelled.

[WD]Helmir

>>61577692
>if you don't watch every single stream then you literally can't know about these major events that everyone on this board finds out about
omegacope. for your next post please explain how the global phenomenon asacoco was not actually a big project.

>>61576934
>justifying shitty practices
good job intern-kun

>>61577924
Only after you tell me which "big project" of Marine's was cancelled and when.

>>61577993

>>61578025
You're the one moving goalposts. You brought up Marine but have been dodging answering the question all this time.

>>61577583
Mental illness, boredom, or distraction from Niji leaking again - by pitting Vshojo and Hololive fans against each other. I bet on all 3.

Thread #3828472 of "Niji management bad VShojo management good" fuck off

>>61578167
NIJISEETHE

>>61578072
she mentioned spending a lot of money on a project that got cancelled, it happened 2 years ago if you need to look at the archives for a refresher.

>>61578266
>she mentioned spending a lot of money on a project that got cancelled
But she didn't. Her 1m stream was delayed but not cancelled.

>>61578316
that was a different project. it's nice to see you know exactly which projects were cancelled though lmao. no more playing dumb.

>>61568378
I dunno but I think kaela finds the noodle arms funny as fuck

>>61574393
37 winners, out of a planned 5. She uh...went overboard.

>>61574197
Trying to put Vshojo- and Hololivefans against each other is pretty much their best card to deflect from NijiEN's failures at this point.

>>61579145
Why pretend like hololive fans like vshojo?

>>61571421
>Hero Hei
anon...

>>61577660
>You can play any game without needing perms
This is not a Twitch this, this is a japanese autism law thing.

>>61579422
Where did I pretend that?
But it's pretty obvious that this thread just exists to stir the flames.

>>61579568
>Trying to put Vshojo- and Hololivefans against each other
There's no need to "try" when if it's already true.

>>61577039
Does VShojo have a 20 million dollars studio for 3D mocap?

>>61579997
They can rent a better one.
Hololive can't even use theirs despite "owning" it.

>>61580033
OK bro, good luck. Call me when that happens.

>>61572263
Different strokes for different folks, but it can't provide as much as hololive's management. Getting freedom and kindness is nice, but it would leave an ambitious idol unsatisfied.

>>61577039
Call me when they have vshojofes, nijifriend.

>>61580397
>it can't provide as much as hololive's management
As much harassment and blockades in the way of making anything happen? Yeah I agree. I don't see how that makes them better.
>it would leave an ambitious idol unsatisfied.
I wasn't aware ambitious idols required to be harassed by their managers. Maybe the nip mentality is just different.

>>61580447
I see you're not interested in a good-faith conversation. Deflecting from Roachmom stealthily shitting all over nijimanagement, tribalist brainrot or just shitposting?

>>61580447
Maybe letting future possible audition candidates get doxxed is more of a idol dream that VShojo can provide.

>>61580506
Everyone knows niji management is shit. This thread isn't about that.

>>61580374
Vshojo has already done 3D shows.

>>61580679
Anon, i'm talking about 3D concerts with an audience, even Production Kawaii had a live concert.

Nijifag shitposting and comparing other corpos and make them fight each other kek

>>61580859
Why are you acting like holobronies love vshojo?

nice thread nijifag

>>61580827
>Anon, i'm talking about 3D concerts with an audience, even Production Kawaii had a live concert.
You know that #1 Hololive Idol literally bitched about Hololive NOT having enough Live, right?

>>61580883
Well some of them might hate it but they aren't salty cuz their former chuubas joining vshojo and doing well here

>>61568214

>>61580973
>they aren't salty cuz their former chuubas joining vshojo and doing well here
How new? Most vshojo antis are holobronies that hate kson.

>>61580948
That's the choice of each talent and a problem with time management of each talent. Now sure how good the new studio will be, but past live concerts were riddled with problems (models glitching, stopping completely etc.)

>>61581025
It's not their choice. Hololive's anti-talent management doesn't let them make their own choices.
>Now sure how good the new studio will be
They're already using it and it's the same shit as before. They have even less time to let their OWN TALENTS use it because they would rather rent it out to others for money.

>>61581002
>A respectable person among her ex members and the fans
>Nijizhangs hate kson
Sure buds it's holobronies

>>61568872
what a pitslut

>>61581118
Go to a hololive thread and tell them that Vshojo is better. See what happens.

>>61581091
How come Suisei does her 3D concerts live and the others don't?

>>61581316
Because she has leverage due to not being owned by Cover.

>>61581341
What about Mori then?

>>61581356
Her concerts are not live.

>>61581230
That has nothing to do with kson though.

>>61581446
It does because kson left hololive to join vshojo.

>>61581466
Not true but even if:
At most you could say that Vshojo is a better fit for Kson then.

>>61581230
Anon, if you are going to another general and saying another group is better, you will be seen as a massive tribafag, of course people will shit on you. And you will be most likely banned.
What logic is this?

>>61581521
If they liked vshojo they could admit that vshojo is better as a company.

>>61581543
You must be retarded

>>61581553
So holofags are dumb retards who can't admit that their management is dogshit?

>>61581573
Some are better at it than others. Yes, hololive's management did some questionable things in the past, but so did VShojo's.

>>61581573
Not a big fan of them but I'm not sure why you're so mad about that kek

>>61581543

>>61581645
What has Vshojo's management done wrong?

>>61581735
The audition scandal was handled poorly.
They just left Silvervale in the hands of the twitter mob and Froot just added to the fire. They should work more on their optics, you can't just let your talents say whatever, you need some guidelines. At the very least don't let them throw put your co-workers under the bus. That looks so bad from an outsider looking in.

>>61577471
said the voice in your head?

>>61582026
Froot saying "people make mistakes" in HER OWN CHAT (which people conveniently like to leave out) is throwing Silver under the bus?

>>61582043
Watch streams. Oh wait, there's no Marine streams to watch.

>>61582392
concession accepted.

>>61582294
Let's ignore the whole tranny charity thing though. That's was completely unrelated despite the timing.

>>61568378
>Its true fucking nijikuro doesn't even have 3D, not a single one of their talents have 3D or will have 3D ever.
HAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHA FAGGOT

>>61582026
The auditions were only a scandal in the minds of seething vtweeters and dramabaiters here. A little confused sure, but given the amount of debuts Vshojo has had lately clearly there's been a lot to come out of them. Oh no, Vshojo didn't immediately hire my heartbreaker 2 view. Cry about it.
Froot though, yeah, she has a lot of skeletons in her closet that will come out and fuck her if she ever lands in the wrong side of a controversy. She really should be careful, the Ant-Hime stuff was really fucking lucky for her. Her Mom turning it into a mini harassment campaign on twitter is playing with fire.
>>61582294
Yes. It's not like people don't know who and what she was referring to, especially since Silver referred to broken friendships as part of her graduation. Especially since Froot herself has a documented history of actually transphobic comments, not just playing the wizard game.

>>61568214
https://youtu.be/u1KIiQjmY74?t=2083
> Pomu talked about how she was obsessed with Outer Wilds after playing it.
> "There's still the DLC" - chat
> Yeah! I mean maybe... uh...
> It's not for a good reason, but I thought I would be gone for most of November, and returning closer to the end.
> But actually I'm only gonna be gone for half of November.
> Good for people who wanna watch me, but the reasoning wasn't so.. good..
> Basically, something I wanted to do got rejected, so..
> *tries to distract herself*
https://youtu.be/u1KIiQjmY74?t=2136
> It's good for me to come back to streaming sooner, but..
> I'm actually quite sad about it.. it's ok though.. it is what it is..
https://youtu.be/u1KIiQjmY74?t=2195
> "hope we can have some fun when you get back and help you feel better" - chat
> Yeah... I don't think it's something that will be like, y'know.. gonna make me so so saaad.
> But it's just like disappointing, is all.. yeah, oh well..
yeah

>>61568214
low level shilling, do you get paid enough?

>>61583206
Anon, the audition scandal is the one where some fuckers pretended to be vshojo and baited vtubers into giving their personal information saying that they are accepted into the company. VShojo knew about this, but kept it under wraps because they wanted to do an investigation or some bullshit, and we all know how that turned up. How can you not warn people of possible phishing scam made in their name, what were they thinking?

>>61568214
Vshojo has to treat its talents well because there's no threat of graduation, collab bans, or the risk of starting over with a new identity if they leave. The existence of Mythic Talent and other talent management companies adds even more pressure for Vshojo to not fuck over its chuubas.

>>61577583
core audience

>>61582957
despite what you want to believe not every vtuber does something bc of vtards here she was supporting it due to her own brother being trans and it being relates to an irl hate crime that happened that week

she did go quiet but because twitter chuds started mass quoting and harassing her but harassment is okay when it's someone you don't like right

>>61586581
That hate crime? Hogwart's Legacy.

>>61583206
"Broken friendships" you retards were waiting on baited breath for silver to say something anything about froot but she threw mouse under the bus out of nowhere instead, silver and froot are still friends evidenced by the fact that she voiced in her last lore video before leaving vshojo and the fact that froot has silvers plush in her bg, fighting ghosts the lot of you

>>61582026
did you expect gunrun to shut down twitter or something

>>61586702
case in point vtards think the world revolves around them

>>61586861
That game has nothing to do with /vt/.

>>61586783
Yes? CEO's are all-powerful beings with the ability to shut down anything they want.

>>61586783
they shut down smears against Froot quick enough

>>61586961
It was the subject of a major social controversy that prominently featured 2 extremely well known vtubers, both now associated with one of the biggest orgs in the industry, as well as many other smaller vtubers.
You can't just pretend it's not relevant and shouldn't be talked about.

>>61587189
What shouldn't be talked about?

>>61587260
Who knows? Why not follow the reply chain and find out you disengenuous retard.

>>61587120
copyright claiming one video that didn't even get taken down in the end doesn't count, ant

>>61577583
Nijisanji is badly run and the constant yabs have given them a bad reputation, meanwhile vshitshow is actually competent and Froot is the one with the biggest number of problems for them.

Nijifags therefore pretend to be Vshojotards in order to attack hololive because they can no longer openly be nijifags and attack hololive without people pointing out how cancerous nijisanji is.

>>61587439
You're the one being disingenuous. You can't even answer a simple question.

>>61587260
Stupid fag lmao

Just a few months ago you vshojocucks were arguing how they absolutely DO NOT support the cause. What changed?

>>61582026
Unironcially the root of this is Talent Freedom (tm), as said by Veibae and Nazuna's tweet, VShojo was aware of the issues the game was bringing to the community, legally they can't stop them from doing anything and just really advise them to not play it (only Nazuna but she's mentally ill, so you get why). Silvervale decided that still, it would be fine to stream it, and as said by many, problem wasn't Froot saying some other stuff, Ironmouse saying shit on her twitter or the other talents staying quiet, it was unironically Silvervale's own shit.
Silvervale, brands herself as the "cozy wholesome wolf" that shit is gonna bring so many troons like you have no idea, reason why the issue got complicated with her. In fact, the whole reason started with people from her audience being skeptical, and then it multiplied into the troon brigate, coupled with the fact that Silvervale handled it poorly (I mean Vei got people riled up for saying retard, and after a while everyone forgot same with this HL shit kek). I don't say it was the right call (morally) to just let her deal with it in the public eye, but also as a business you are messing with a lot just for a talent's needs.

>>61587528
let's ignore the constant bait threads that get made by holodrones anytime a new vshojo member debuts bc they're so insecure about their failing EN branch they have to use niji to look better

>froot being the biggest problem
Kek only this board and containment breakers actually think the manufactured "yabs" affected hee reputation just yesterday henya raided her and they're already planning a collab soon, froots also getting her own concert

The real vshojocucks enter the thread and just like that any pretense of "s-s-stop pitting holofans and vshojo fans against each other!!" is gone.
fucking lmao

Nyan and Vei both got independent streamer boyfriends who were probably getting a better merch cut and maybe they outgrew the whole chunni story thing. Not sure what to say with Silver.

There's still probably a lot of internet warriors out there thinking they got Pikamee cancelled and never knew she came back as Henya.

>>61568214
probably companies management is something like this
IdolEN > vShoujo > Phase Connect > Hololive > ... > literal fucking nazis in Auschwitz > Kurosanji
Doesn't change a fact that I prefer to watch my cute Hololive Advent girls

>>61588394
They would all be better off in vshojo

>>61587893
>>61588043
you are glowing so damn hard.

>>61588473
Why are you pretending to like hololive? You spend months spamming that sour grapes meme.

>>61588540
Schizo moment...

>>61582026
>They just left Silvervale in the hands of the twitter mob
This is what people say every time there's a blowup but the reality is there's nothing a corpo can do to stop a Twitter mob. Hololive had no way to protect Coco from hordes of retarded chinks and VShojo had no way to protect Silver from hordes of retarded trannies.
Genuinely, what do you expect them to do? Shut down the entire internet so that people can't be retards on it?

>>61588747
>Hololive had no way to protect Coco from hordes of retarded chinks
This isn't what you said before. I wonder what changed. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

im glad my oshi filters out people /here/ vshojo is always better without unicorns and tribalists like (you)

OP here, Thank you for all the laughs Vshojofags and nijifags, I made all that shit up based on a clip where Mio said some holomems are busy with recordings, so far I've seen everything in this thread, from outright lies to history rewritting from nijis and vwhorejo fans, keep it eating it all up!!! KEK

>>61588926
This >>61588747 is my first post in the thread. Try again fuckface.

>>61589134
it's true I was mio

>>61589235
Yeah and what I was talking about the narrative that has been peddled for the past 3 years.

>>61589325
How am I responsible for other peoples' narratives? I've always pointed out there was literally nothing Hololive could do to stop anonymous chinks from sending Coco harassment.

>>61589134
>vwhorejo

>>61589450
Sure you did.

>>61588683
Stop pretending.

>>61588394
I know nothing about IdolEN, why do you think their management is better than Vshojo's?

>>61589589
Yeah I've seen that, doesn't mean everyone into vshojo posts it

>>61572109
This
>>61572263
I'm vsjfag and you're retarded. Vsj management makes mistakes too and it doesn't have same resources as Hololive or Niji has. Its far from perfect.

>>61589648
You all agree with it.

>>61589691
Stop all being mad then
Don't see us talking shit about whoever you watch

>>61589688
What resources? Holo management famously does absolutely fucking nothing for their talents except block them from doing anything they would actually enjoy.

>>61589784
>Don't see us talking shit about whoever you watch
You insult Marine and beg her to join vshojo in the same breath. It's very pathetic to witness.

>>61589808
>labels
>deals
>big name artists
>big collabs
>concerts in big stadiums that sell out in seconds
Should I go on or you'll finally stop pretending you're retarded?

>vshojo is the best company by far
>other vtuber companies give up in shame
>nobody to hire newcomers first
>vshojo cant poach anyone anymore
oopsie

>>61589591
I don't know much about how they are managed, but from what I've seen, talent get what they want. Free model of good quality, graphics, ads on youtube, can play anything.
Basically Aviel is bankrolling them with government money until they succeed

>>61590015
How is the management responsible for any of that?

>>61589808
the resources to organize huge concerts, events, merch and even holofests.
They have bigger resources, doesn't mean they would give it easily though.
>Holo management famously does absolutely fucking nothing for their talents except block them from doing anything they would actually enjoy.
Really? Famously? Name 2 cases from this year then.

>>61589921
Source? I love Marine and her fat ass

>>61590070
Anon, please, there are things to be mad about Holo management, but let's not fucking be disingenuous that they are non-existant.
You can talk about Omega-gay and zim ditching Irys for his homo project, that's one.

>>61589921
Sounds like falseflag shit to me
Or are the insults just pointing out hypocrisy?

>>61589921
Why would a vshojo fan insult marine?
Or any other hololive talent for that matter?

>>61590265
What hypocrisy? You could only point out hypocrisy if you believe that Marine is only as good as any vshojo member. That alone is shitting on Marine.

>>61590427
Why wouldn't you? She's better than anyone in vshojo and that makes you angry. You desperately try to come up with reasons for hololive fans to hate her but you always fail at it. that's what all those "point out hypocrisy" posts are about.

>>61577583
to start shit, of course.

I say live and let live

>>61590709
Meds.

>>61590902
What hypocrisy do you need to point out regarding Marine and vshojo? What's even the purpose of doing that?

>>61590709
Everybody has their favorites anon. Nobody is mad that Hololive fans prefer their holo oshi, that would be silly.

>>61590709
>What hypocrisy? You could only point out hypocrisy if you believe that Marine is only as good as any vshojo member. That alone is shitting on Marine.
Being lewd or whatever triggers you people about vshojo
I dunno I don't really think about every vtuber with all the liggers and vshojo I watch, my roster is full

>>61591060
>Nobody is mad that Hololive fans prefer their holo oshi, that would be silly.
This guy >>61591088 clearly is.
If you like Marine you apparently also have to like vshojo because they're exactly the same.

>>61591206
I didn't say that though

>>61591346
Then why do you need to point out this "hypocrisy" that doesn't even exist?

>>61571198
You forgot the part where they can also use the art for anyone in Nijisanji, not just selen.

>>61591483
In the past people have said vshojo is bad because they are too lewd and vulgar (their words)
Marine is used as an example that that isn't exclusive to vshojo

>>61591088
Teasing with fanservice and talking about how many dicks you've taken and shit like that are not the same.

Also Marine never cheated on her husband while he was deployed overseas like your v-whores.

Remember, "ours" are always free willed individuals with various opinions, "theirs" are always a hypocritical hivemind

>>61591561
But Marine isn't anything like anybody in vshojo. You suck dick at this. You're just mad that people like Marine.

Why do holocucks love to LARP as nijifans or vshojofans? Why are they hiding?
>>/vt/thread/60637759#p60642258

>>61571421
>>Hitomi chris
Puling Chris out, when it's a proven fact she slept with someone for her streaming rig and broke company contract.

>>61591600
Taking dicks was just vei once and she's out
Froot rrat is unproven as always
>>61591621
I have no reason to be mad that people like Marine

>>61572442
Yeah, at least just make it to where they retain the rights, but you automatically get rights to use it for the contest, as well as making the artist agree to a reasonable rate for future uses with an opening for arbitration if the artist feels it's really worth that much more.

>>61572442
Corporate Disney greedy would have sufficed anon

>>61591713
But you clearly are mad. You can't stand people enjoying Marine and not liking vshojo.

>>61591753

>>61591806
You should take your own medicine. You have not managed to prove how Marine and vshojo members are exactly the same.

>>61591753
You can't stand people enjoying vshojo

>>61591634
I wasn't around to see chris back then, has this girl reincarnated somewhere?

>>61591862
Prove it. All I've ever said is that your vhoes are not equals of Marine and that's only in response to you saying that they are equal.

>>61591753
>>61592039
Prove it.

>>61592091
You feeling the need to make threads "pointing out hypocrisy" while exclusively attacking Marine.

>>61591839
They aren't exactly the same, schizo.
Now prove that somebody in Vshojo is mad at Marine.

>>61592153
Oh I didn't know I was OP

>>61592155
>They aren't exactly the same, schizo.
Then what is the hypocrisy that you're pointing out?
>Now prove that somebody in Vshojo is mad at Marine.
>somebody in Vshojo
Where the fuck did THIS claim come from? It was only ever about the fans.

>>61592254
You don't need to be when you're defending all those threads and posts comparing Marine to vshojo.

>>61592257
>vshouwjo bad because ass shake!
>but marine shake ass
That's it

>>61592257
I'm not the anon who said that.

>Where the fuck did THIS claim come from? It was only ever about the fans.
I meant the vshojo fans, sorry about that.

>>61592313
ok

>>61592320
So the good old false equivalence

>>61592509
What does vshojo do that's so bad then?

>>61592320
this is insulting because marine is partaking in the classy and traditional japanse artform of けつシェーク unlike those vcuckhoeshitjo western whores who are very haram and western

>>61592583
Go read some of the threads you know you posted in before. Vei leaving doesn't change a thing by the way.

Why do Niji and Holo fans hate each other so much? Was it really all because of the "all out war" Discord leak? Hololive and Nijisanji existing and doing well doesn't diminish my enjoyment of watching Vshojo vtubers. And watching the Vshojo girls collab with them sometimes is always fun.

>>61592690
Not an answer
If I was an anti of an entire group I would be able to give an answer as to why

>>61575856
Nazuna wanted lawyers. How did that turn out?

>>61592952
>anti of an entire group
Mischaracterization once again. Nobody is telling you to stop liking vshojo. You on the other hand are telling others to stop liking Marine if they don't like vshojo because you've decided that the reasons for not liking vshojo also apply to Marine.
>>/vt/thread/48784558
Here's one of your mates amazing threads. It doesn't have any drawn out arguments so you can easily see posts explaining the difference to you.

>>61572442
Welcome to Ninisanji, where the Shareholders are the only thing that matter.

>>61593264
>You on the other hand are telling others to stop liking Marine
Nope
>Here's one of your mates amazing threads.
So do people not make similar threads about vshojo?

>>61593360
>Nope
Then why are you "pointing out hypocrisy"? What's the point of doing that? The other angle would be that you want Marine fans to like vshojo, but the threads are outright attacks on Marine's character rather than pointing out anything likable about vshojo.
>So do people not make similar threads about vshojo?
Threads like what? It's not possible to flip the script of that thread and not be satire. Please post them if they exist.

>>61586702
It was actually this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Brianna_Ghey Anyone who paid attention to the news at the time was well aware of this anon. Especially Brits since it happened in the UK

>>61593742
Wait now you're arguing that people don't make vshojo hate threads?

>>61568214
Not really. Even Ironmouse knows that vshojo management is practically useless when it comes to real support which is why she is signed with uta.

Hogwarts Legacy releases on Switch in two weeks. At least enjoy a week of not hearing about it (depending on when the marketing starts back up)

>>61594000
They do, but you said similar. I have not seen a thread that says "wow I went to watch vshojo member A and it was just like someone from company X. How do A fans justify their dislike for company X when it's the same shit?"
If anyone makes a thread about hating vshojo it's just calling them shit from the get go without any weird juxtaposition.

>>61594120
fwiw, VShojo is apparently quite good for tech support, just not great for sponsorship deals. Mouse always turns to VShojo staff, Gunrun especially, for help with tech. They're probably also okay with merch, it's only the sponsored streams where you notice a difference.

>>61594388
Well yeah that's because vshojo fans aren't hololive haters
There's no dislike to justify in the first place

>>61593163
Lawyers looked at the contracts she signed and gave it to her straight and didn't try to fleece her out of money on a losing battle.

>>61596121
But you are since you attack Marine.

>>61596560
It's not an attack it's a comparison
I wouldn't want Marine to change at all

How you faggots find value in these discussions is so incredibly pathetic that it loops back around to being hilarious.
Snap out of it retards, none of this shit is worthwhile, these people are laughing all the way to the bank and you spending hours of your lives typing at fellow retards in defense of their honor won't put a cent in your pocket or a smile on your deathbed.

>>61596621
It is an attack when the comparison is made in bad faith using false equivalency for the sole purpose of either getting the reader to dislike Marine or to accept vshojo.

>>61592724
It's an old tale my dear hentie, but I'll give you the TLDR: What goes around comes around and Nijisanji is feeling it full force.

>>61596773
>false equivalency
It's not really, unless you can tell me what vshojo does that's so bad

has Vshojo even done a good event?
i feel like they throw money sometimes and dont get the repsonse they want like the game jam thing

its not about the vshojo management being better
its just that niji management is worse than the rest
vshojo is just doing the bare minimun while nijji fails to even do that

>>61596870
Literal masturbation cam streams. Doesn't matter if it's just one member.

>>61596958
Those are based though you faggot

>>61597031
I accept your concession.

>>61596958
That's bad because?

>>61596958
Anon how much of a newfag are you to memoryhole Noel, kill yourself honestly you falseflagging nijizhang.

>>61597075
>Modet-T4572 Pussy
Is this bitch broke or something?

>>61597093
Where's the Noel masturbation streams? Also Noel isn't Marine last I checked. Rope yourself, tranny.

>>61596958
you say that like its a bad thing...

Vshojofags just can't help themselves but doxx other vtubers while labeling things their talents have said under their current names as doxx. really makes you think

>>61592724
Nijifags got Mio's channel striked and that became ground zero for both Holo and Niji needing to get stupid fucking perms for every game they play. Niji literally ruined vtubing

>>61597075
>>61597208
How is liking Marine hypocritical?

>>61597293
Most of the vshojo complaints haven't been about Mel's CB streams

>>61597240

>>61597293
It isn't, feel free to like whoever you want to like.

>>61597330
>>/vt/?task=search&ghost=false&search_text=ironmouse+doxx

>>61597330
Then what were they about? Surely you can bring those things up again and explain how Marine has done the EXACT same thing.

remember when this thread was about matara and mio?

>>61597527
who cares, it was always a retarded falseflag thread

>>61597527
It never was.

>>61568214
Wow anon I'm so proud of you for getting others to quit Hololive for VShit which is still unfunny Westoid Twitch garbage. You did a great job anon, you go anon

>>61597468
You keep saying exact, why?

>>61597822
>Westoid
This is an American website

>>61597831
Why not? You claim there's some kind of hyporcisy that you absolutely have to point out but it seems like there's nothing like that at all and you're just making up shit.

Enjoy the honeymoon roachfags, it's not going to last

>>61598029
Ok well as long as you stop obsessing over vshojo we're good

>>61598090
I will tell you to fuck off every single time you make a thread like this. Just stay in your containment general and shut the fuck up.

>>61598081
2 weeks, amirite? Same as Henya?

>>61568214
Welcome to jp market

>>61580033
>They can rent a better one.
Unless they can rent Sony's studio, MocapLab or any other of those Hollywood grade motion capture studios; I seriously doubt it. Specially judging by their past concert with PS2 graphics.

>>61590069
Don't fall in the tricks of (((them)))

>>61569108
LOL

>>61572442
Tazumi needs a new yacht you see

>>61597093
Why are you insulting Hololive girls and then calling others Nijisanji fans?

>>61599680
vshojotards aren't too smart

>>61591626
Jfc
>ban evading falseflagging scum
>makes fun of the jannies
>post not deleted because it's owning le nijisisters
And of course it's from the /#/fag thread

>>61581316
>How come Suisei does her 3D concerts live and the others don't?
Notice how many times she had to outsource her own bands? Yeah. That.
Cover is great but far from perfect. They can't even get the Idolshit element properly at the moment. It's still good environment compared to other companies (especially Niji, which was atrocious), but gaping holes are everywhere on the roof. So when it rains, it pours.
>>61581356
>What about Mori then?
Universal made Cover their bitch
Also, no sololive yet

>>61591713
>Froot rrat is unproven as always
One dip to warosu prove you're wrong. Froot rrat can't be proven without violating doxx and off topic rule (retarded enforcement rather than favoritism)

>>61600599
I've just seen cringe discord posts which don't prove cheating

>>61569108
This is flying over everyone's heads but I lol'd.

>>61600724
It honestly would not surprise me if they have to fax a form to their manager for permission to seek permission for permissions from their 'manager'

>>61569108
I understood this joke.

Hooray for me.

>>61568214
Do you ever consider vshojo would be trying to bend over backwards for her especially in the beginning months to give her a real good impression, so she can then go roast Niji management? If she was a nobody without a pedigree background she would have no such comparison to make, but it's obligately in vshojo's interest to try to throw shade and doubt out in the hopes more Nijis hear this and jump ship, because those are easy wins. Far as I had ever heard vshojo doesn't do much because there is not much they actually do at all besides try to organize merch shilling operations etc. They don't really have intense day to day management like niji/Holo. Even so, I don't like either company in the end but I mean you'd be naive if you thought a fake psuedo-corpo wannabe wouldn't use dirty tricks to burnish its image.

>>61569108
good one kek

>>61600724
doubt it's flying over everyones heads, it's just so good they were stunned KEK

>>61577580
>They tack on facilitation fees every time they do something on one of the members' behalf. That's why they are so helpful.
Sounds like a decent way to incentivize active management.

>>61576603
wait wait wait... Is this shit for real? My god how incompetent someone can be to even fucking up it's only job this bad?

>>61603019
>Vshojo bends backwards for her!
>Vshojo doesn't do much
At least keep your rrats consistent.

>>61591971
Donno, she was put to pasture in Gen 1, she might have, or her boyfriend might have taken her streaming rig back when she was fire