/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>62264133
She's neither tho

>>62264133
Idols make more appearances and shit than streamers

gura literally said she was a streamer she just forgot

>>62264133
I dont even give a shit, Gura has proven jack shit to be the best "idol" in EN. She's going to be blown out of the water by FuwaMoco either way.

>>62264441
part-time streamer
full-time idol

>>62264133
Yet their dedicated singer gen has done one song and like twenty non singing stream

>>62264491
>She's going to be blown out of the water by FuwaMoco either way.
Ruffians are delusional.

>>62264133
>Idol
>Only 1 original song released with all the rest being stuck in a closet

>>62264133
>posts vtuber darksydephil

>>62264556
>dedicated singer gen
oh no
its retarded

>>62264563
Fuwamoco already get more ccv when they karaoke than gura gets when she streams twice a year. 99% of gura subs don't even remember she exists lmao

>>62264133
Why was she so sluggish at Connect The World then? The song she performed still hasn’t been released after 5 months
She was much more energetic at Our Bright Parade, not sure what changed inbetween those two events

>>62264133
Not really. Yagoo himself rebranded cover to an entertainment company. it's just to the chuubas themselves if they want to lean more into the idol aspect as part of their entertainment duties or not. Real idols and the efforts they put into their shit blows any holo out of the water easily.

>>62264491
Baubaufags just rewarded their hard work with 3k ccv. Face it, their whole legacy hinges on the fact that Queen is holding back

>>62264133
Who?

>>62264491
>She's going to be blown out of the water by FuwaMoco either way.
Gura was already blown out of the water by Kiara and Mori, who are both 100% unironically better idols than Gura ever was. FuwaMoco will be there too, someday

>>62264762
>Real idols and the efforts they put into their shit blows any holo out of the water easily.
Real idols practiced singing and dancing since youth
COVER managed to turn a bunch of NEETs who just wanted to get paid for playing videogames into actual performers with some of them even embracing it and releasing their own music. I think that alone deserves respect for both cover and the girls.

I’m just surprised with how little she streams and music she makes, at this point you woulda expected people to just forget about her and fade into obscurity since she disappears so often without reason, but every time she comes back people eat that shit up

>>62264491
Pls, shes only ever idol by vt standards.

>>62264133
It's neither. It's an all-encompassing entertainment company. Both idolfags and streamerfags hate Hololive for a reason. Previous fandoms that own those notions see Hololive as lesser because it's not the real deal.

'Idol', not idle.

>>62264674
CCV means nothing on YouTube. Go back to Twitch.

And Vshoujo is an escort agency, phase-connect an online coffe shop.
I just need to figure out what niji actually is.

>>62264762
This.
Nothing against Hololive but it's in a league of its own and that should be a good thing because real idol culture is pathetic.

>>62265528
>t. only learned about idol culture through oshi no ko

>>62264133
oh ok that's cool. When's her album dropping?

>>62265063
Then it can't be an idol company. You don't get to make the rules. Again, actual idolfags hate Hololive for a reason. And good riddance they do. Because there's nothing good about present day AKB or Nogizaka

>>62264133
Wrong. It's marketing as a idol company which is not the same thing as being one.

If gura is your oshi in 2023 you fundamentally don't know what the word oshi means or why idolfags like this shit. No ambition, no dreams, constant soulless shilling and laziness. You might as well watch DSP stream games in his basement, never changing or aspiring to anything, as someone upthread said.

>>62265563
No, I think Oshi no Ko's depiction is also wrong. I've been in the AKB fandom for 13 years now. Take a gander at their general on /jp/ and you'll see it's nothing but terminally frustrated assholes who do not care about the girls at all. Oh and by the way, Johnny's fandom? That's way worse. I also wished Nogizaka didn't absorb so many AKBfags too.

>>62265648
That's what you people say about every Holo though.

>>62264133
She can't post shorts without going through management, she can't play the games she plays offline, she can't even play a fart mod without going through management. I understand her why she checked out, I just hope she did more karaoke.

>>62265603
So its an idol company without the bad parts?
Not to mention the creative freedom that using CG characters with mocap brings
You can do so much cool shit when the performer is in a mocap studio somewhere and her character is displayed on a screen. Virtual stages, switching out outfits on demand, switching out performers on demand. Sky's the limit.

>>62265653
Naruhodo, that sounds bad
Is it worse than kpop bullshit?
I only have surface level knowledge of both so I wouldn’t know

>>62265736
I'd say Hololive isn't really an idol company though. It's an all-encompassing entertainment company that takes up many different forms. They're the worldwide leaders in Virtual YouTubing can have the power to do this. Incorporation of the good parts of the idol realm is just one of many strengths that Hololive has.

>>62265737
Gura's management restrictions are the same as other chuubas, stop coping. She's being a little cunt throwing a tantrum cause she has to follow the rules like everyone else

>>62265780
Oh heaven's no. Sasaengs make unicorns and yumejos look like saints. You thought no dating schizos were bad well Sasaengs lite

>>62265789
I suppose that’s fair
As for me I’m mostly looking forward to holoEarth and more hololive Alternative manga. And maybe an actual anime.

>>62265822
literally control how idols are. Lilpa from Isegye Idol (Korean VTuber Agency) has a few horror stories from her past when she was once a K-Pop idol (identity largely unknown for good reasons) and it just made me realize that I was right to just distance myself from K-Pop entirely even though I used to be a big fan of SNSD and Kara a decade ago.

>>62265822
>>62265872
Jesas
Thanks for enlightening me on this topic, anon
I rarely see people who are actually willing to have a conversation on this shithole of a board these days

>>62265872
I should also say 48 type idols are insanely lucky compared to K-Pop. Because there's more people within that care about the girls and want them to succeed. It's the complete opposite in Korea, EVERYONE behind the scenes are cold as fuck. Just be thankful you don't have that much real idolfaggotry near Hololive. You don't want it.

>>62265793
>face of EN vs rank and file
>same restrictions
try harder

>>62265940
For the record, there's nothing inherently wrong with idol culture. The problem is people cling to the elements that just don't look out for what it could be at its best. Oshi no Ko kinda delves into that; not quite, but a little bit of it. It was the fastest growing niche of otaku culture last decade but is declining now thanks to VTubers ironically lol

>>62264133
Hololive is a cute girl company.

>>62264133
too soon

>>62266028
Lmao you're just making shit up, you have absolutely no proof Gura suffers harsher restriction is than other girls

"Gura is an idol"
>Hasn't released an album
>Hasn't done an actual concert like many other members have
>Hardly releases cover songs
>Only 2 original songs
Sure shrimpie, Gura is definitely an idol

>Not a streamer company

>>62264133
Reminder that Hololive is a vtuber company, where the streamers/talents can occasionally engage in more idol-like activities without being idols.

>>62264744
Not the first time she burned out and ghosted her fans.

>>62264133
Correct. Unfortunately people who idolize other things shit on things they don't understand or value. There are very few who are capable of understanding Gura, much less appreciating her. Instead they waste their time seething because they're boring people who are more interested in crab bucketing than finding and enjoying things they like.

>>62265793
I'm gonna bitch and moan as much as I want, thank you very much

>>62266381
>Hasn't released an album
This is the saddest part, Kiara and Bae have released albums even though they're the runts of their respective gens and don't get much praise for their singing.
>Hardly releases cover songs
Most of them are duets or group songs, so you have to go to the other holo's channel, and those songs don't get favored by the algorithm.

nobody watches hololive anymore.

>>62267210
Its just disappointing because singing content was one of her main appeals initially, yet she has barely done anything with it. Would be like if Ina rarely did drawing streams or didn't do any promo art for stuff either

>>62266864
Vtubers aren't streamers. They're youtubers.

>>62266535
>ranging from

>>62266381
If we are going by strict definitions of an idol, you can exclude 85% of EN lmao, most of them haven't done enough dancing reps or released albums or care enough to do so

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Zj3SUD3ODj0&pp=ygUqQ292ZXIgY29ycCBpcyBub3cgYW4gZW50ZXJ0YWlubWVudCBjb21wYW55

>>62267678
Yep, that's basically it for me. If Gura's busy with projects, why are they so crappy and underwhelming? If Gura returned from the breaks with an album, you could say "oh, so that's what's she was doing"

>>62264133
>op pic
Not an idol
Not a streamer

>>62264133
really, maybe they shouldn't make streams the majority of most of their members' output, then.

>>62264133
Counter point: if they were an idol company they would have never passed 10k subs per channel. They're only as big as they are because streaming video games and shooting the shit is entertaining. Nobody gives a shit about "idol music" which is the fisher price of the music industry.

>>62266266
Gura's so important to Hololive that she can afford to revolt by not streaming so that she gets what she wants, something Magni and Vesper hilariously tried to pull off

>>62264133
Idols are supposed to care about their fans, or at least act like it.

>>62269105
Fans are supposed to give their idols the benefit of the doubt though.
And no, chumbuds will not watch your 2view

>>62265822
>>62265978
Thank you for the information, Ayame.

>>62267225
This but unironically.

>>62269105
she does, if you can't see this you're not a fan

>>62264133
>Vtuber
>Idol
Kill yourself NOW

You can't really 1:1 compare vtuber idols to traditional idols, but you can't be an idol if you aren't a person to look up to in some positive way. That's core to the term itself, idols are for worshipping.

>>62269317
Just so you know I watch Ine, Lilpa, and JB too

>>62269529
No worries, just a joke. You were genuinely helpful.

>>62269484
You first, faggot
But first go do your concert reps, they’re
all on nyaiss

>>62269317
Speaking of, she’s been streaming a lot more often lately
I hope she keeps it up
>inb4 doomposter saying she’s being forced to stream by management

>>62269023
>Nobody gives a shit about "idol music"
yeah, me
i’m nobody

>>62269941
You might be onto something here

>>62269097
>chumbuds actualy believe this
You do know Mori has more brand recognition than Gura, right? The only reason Gura is flaunted around is because of sub count. That is literally the only thing she has. She has 1.5 orisongs, a small handful of covers she did that are all mostly forgotten except the meme one, and has been checked out for a year. Face it chumbud, Gura, like Rushia, Coco, and all the others is expendable and can be easily replaced.

>>62268257
Streamers stream, it's about the content they make, not the platform used. They're youtubers whose content is 99,99% streams, they're streamers.

>>62269440
proof?

>>62270363
incredible, your seethe has made you lose your sense of reality...

>>62265063
dumb take. Most popular idols in japan can only sing and dance just about as good as hololive members. They rely more on tv variety shows and their pretty faces to stay relevant rather than the music they release.

>>62270363
>gura is expendable and will get the boot anytime now
>when gura having huge mindchair and 4.4m subs is exactly what investors want and why cover gets their funding
Try harder you fucking faggot kekeroo

>>62270874
prove anything i said is incorrect. challenge: you can't.
>>62270991
>gura is expendable
correct
> and will get the boot anytime now
not what i said, you esl mudmonkey
>when gura having huge mindchair and 4.4m subs is exactly what investors want and why cover gets their funding
Investors literally do not care about that, they care about profit.

>>62271305
>moving goalposts
Typical
No one's denying that anyone can be kicked for the right reasons, just admit that gura's still put on a pedestal and she can get away with not streaming, because why the fuck is she still in holo right?
And cover just released their report and nonstreaming gura still appears there for investors to see you retard huhehehehe

>>62270485
If you don't like Gura, you're not a fan. It's literally that simple. Stop projecting. I don't need to prove shit to you, just like some other vtuber fan needs to prove to me that their oshi is totally awesome.

>>62270363
>mori has more brand recognition than Gura
AHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA, hololive antis really do come up with the craziest rrats to try to divide the fanbase don't they, christ even the most retarded doxxbeats would never actually say this
inb4 song views, inb4 tiktok, inb4 [insert retarded argument], stop`it while you can anonchama, repeating jokes ruins them

>>62264133
nyo

>>62264762
If the chuubas actually had that control, Vesper would still be there and not quit because he freaked out when he saw Astel dancing. Hololive Productions will never be just an "entertainment company" until they have a vtuber that does ZERO idol activities (no karaoke streams, no dancing, no singing of any kind, etc).

>>62264133
>not a streamer company.
evidently lol
don't know about the first part of your statement, are there actual giga faggots that want some girly idol shit? i only watch for gameplay / entertainment

>>62275863
Clearly people want idolshit because why would hololive be the most popular vtuber group?

>>62264133
you seem to be mistaken, sis. they spend vastly more time streaming.
glad we could clear that up for you.

>>62270886
>pretty faces
It's funny you say this because most idols look like they have Down's syndrome. They can't even find pretty ones to make up for the lack of talent

>>62269158
>Fans are supposed to give their idols the benefit of the doubt though.
We have for over a year, and it only got worse. It wouldn't be so bad if she didn't give false hope and said she would do better, only to do even worse than before somehow every time she returns.

>>62264744
still sad that song hasn't been released it was actually good..

>>62264133
>posts image of someone with two original songs no one actually likes

>>62275863
newfag

>>62277937
Then just leave and complain to cover directly and not clog the catalog, antis just larp as you feistybuds

>>62279371
Feistybuds are both the antis and the catalog spammers. Hope you realize that

>>62264491
>holo vs holo
kyo deflection thread, kys nijisister

>>62279666
I am well aware anon, i dont suffer those fools

>>62264491
Its fucking hilarious reading this shit, cuz last fucking time ive been here like a couple of months ago, people have been saying this about Kobo

>>62271660
You're both wrong. Both are important. That's why Gura does whatever she wants and rakes in merch memberships and ad money without being forced to work. If someone surpasses her numbers ccv and/or subs then she might be in trouble, but that will never happen.

>>62264133
https://youtu.be/yi6X0L2IKig

>>62281597
Based

>>62264133
and gura is the idol among idols. She literally created the vtubing genre

show some respect

>>62264441
HORFHORFHORF

>>62264133
IF IT WAS AN IDOL COMPANY THEY WOULD HAVE NEVER HIRED A RETARD LIKE HER THAT MAKES DICK JOKES

>90% of this thread
the chumbud cries out as he strikes you

>>62282438

>>62282149
HOLY NEWFAG

>>62282699
He forget to specify that gura created thr EN vtuber scene, lol cut him some slack

Idol companies are known for raping their employees so...

Without gura Hololive would be NOTHING and your oshi would just be another 20 sub onlyfans whore

>>62282750
that was kiryu coco

>>62283251
Coco the martyr destroyed China scene
Gura the chosen one created EN scene

>>62283130
It's actually insane to think about how much people, not just within Holo, have leeched off of Gura. Now it is true that she also benefited from being part of holo to an extent. But the sheer amount of leeching comes from pretty much every angle you can think of. Even random news sites just throw her name in there to get clicks. Artists have built entire careers just from using her art tag. Non-holo chuubas will make shorts/clips using her name to get clicks. Even without her doing anything the world continues to try to suck from her. It's insane to even think about.

>>62283130
but enough about fuwacoco

>>62283889
This happens with every popular figure ever, not just Gura.

>>62283997
But it's so blatant with Gura. Like it's always...Gura. You never see another EN used.

>>62264133
More like idle company

>>62283997
True, gura really changed the landscape of entertainment. She's the Michael Jordan of vtubing

>>62275790
>karaoke is somehow idol activity
So when my drunk ass belts out Power of Love after my 4th round and way out of tune, I am an Idol?
I didn’t know you thought so highly of me
=^ ^=

>>62284133
Gura made people realize the power of cunny.
That's already a revolution in the EN world.

>>62265063
>Real Idols practiced being Idols for years
Then the Ruffians are right to be confident.

Gura has transcended humanity

>>62275790
Karaoke, dancing and singing are not "idol activities". They're all literally standard forms of content on the japanese internet but I understand you can't grasp that as an EN viewer that's only really used to twitch streamers.

>>62264133

>>62284455
GURA UNIVERSE

>>62264133
Ok, where's the variety shows, outdoors performances, fan meet & greets, promotional appearances, adverts etc....

>>62265737
>When Shiori has a better contract than Gura

HORFHORFHORF

>>62264133
The world is theirs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqbkAVJC9wE

>>62284483
>singing and dancing are not idol activities

>>62284624
>variety show
streaming is one big variety show you faggot
>outdoor performances
holofes and connect the world moron
>fan meet & greets
they're SEA events that's why you don't know
>promotional appearances and adverts
taco bell ad idiot
NEXT. MEME.

>>62284483
>dancing and singing are not "idol activities"

>>62284808
>streaming is one big variety show you faggot
And she's not doing it.
>holofes and connect the world moron
once a year at best, real idols do all the shit I listed weekly
>taco bell ad
2 and a half years ago rumao
retard

>>62284739
>>62284815
You are claiming that a vtuber that does singing and dancing is automatically an idol and that the only way to not be an idol is to become a twitch streamer. That's just not the case.

>>62284974
>And she's not doing it
you asked where it is, not if she's *currently* doing it moron
>real idols do all the shit I listed weekly
not they dont, also vtuber idols will still be working in their 40s whereas real idols will be in JAVs, get out of here with your 3dpd shit
>2 and a half years ago rumao
cope and seethe, it still happened faggot

>>62264133
Idol:

1) A picture or object that people pray to as part of their religion.

2) a person who is loved, admired, or respected a lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHDsoszCzXs

Gura fits both definitions

>>62285171
reminder that pekora wanted her own statue because of gura's excellence

>>62285171
By this definition there is only one or two idols in hololive. The rest are not even close.

>>62285391
Yes.

>>62285472
So hololive is not an idol company then

>>62285171
they are literally dozens of videos saying some new talent is so cute by their senpais. it's hardly anything important, but whatever

>>62285546
Nobody said it was.

>>62285610
Gura is not new

>>62285626
Did you really just enter a thread and argue about shit without ever even reading the OP?

>>62285120
>you asked where it is, not if she's *currently* doing it moron
>seething esl doesn't understand a common turn of phrase
so she's not "currently" an idol then? retard

>>62285825
I'm not OP nor the original person you replied to. It's common knowledge Hololive is not an idol company. No matter how much real idolfags put Hololive down though, it still encapsulates the idol aesthetic. Cope and seethe.
>>62285845
Again, nobody fucking said Hololive was like AKB48 or Nogizaka.

>>62285391
Yes.
The true idols

>>62286070
>Again, nobody fucking said Hololive was like AKB48 or Nogizaka.
You mean active? So gura's not active as a streamer and not active as an idol, so she's neither.

>>62286189
Why haven't they sold that statue yet, they said they would?

>>62286439
Cover simply realized they're priceless.

>>62286439
That's before they grasped the true value of it. It's priceless.

>>62286391
Gura moves merch like any idol should and that's all that matters

>>62286391
We're not talking about Gura though. We're talking about your claim that Hololive is not an idol company, which we've come to an agreement on, yet your autism suggests that Hololive doesn't pale in comparison to AKB or Nogizaka, which no one except for you is harping on. Or is this just random Gura seethe on your behalf? Gura is Gura. No one said she or her agency is anything identical to that in the idol industry. You're picking fights you don't know right off the bat.

>>62286492
You got it dude

It's an entertainment company, and given how many threads there are about her every single day, she sure provides a lot of entertainment.

>>62283309
That's OK. Chongpongs don't deserve vtubers.

>>62264133
sorry anon but if she is not in japan, she is not part of a jp branch, speak only japanese and focus only on the jp audience she is not an idol, is that simple.

>>62285171
wait, isn't this faggot one of the trash taste retards? the manga man or some shit like that..

>>62290874
While her fans include other celebrities. No. But your description is close. Gura is beloved by all pronouns.

if gura had actual work ethic she could've owned hololive by now

>>62292335
Gura de facto owns the EN vtubing world

>>62264133
employee cope.

>>62292518
not even half way there

>>62293202
(You) (You) (You) (You) (You)

>>62273558
Mori probably is second in EN in terms of brand recognition.

>>62264133
Hard to believe that when Koyori, Peko, Kaela and Biboo exists

>>62265737
funny how other holos manage to do those things

>>62297438
I only watch gura so...

>>62288721
Retard JPs borrowed an english word and think they invented it. ゲーム is not japanese either, dumbass

>>62279371
I never made a thread in my life, and I will never, ever abandon my oshi or look for a new one, no matter what anyone says or does.

>>62264133
why does she hate niggers?

>>62264491
Fuwamoco will never reach the height or talent of Gura. They can stream, but no one gives a fuck about them in the grand scheme of things.

>>62299457
アイドル doesn't have the same meaning in English and in Japanese

>>62311380
It 100% does, thats why there are shows like "Pop Idol" and "American Idol"

bump

>>62265793
She really shouldn't have to follow the same rules as everyone else to begin with honestly, but management's behaviour towards her is particularly terrible. I mean when Gura was in a slump and asked management for perms for some games, they literally laughed at her in front of the new rookies back then, that is legitemately terrible behaviour and especially so for someone shy like Gura

>>62264133
The fact of the matter is that Hololive is more than just a streamer company. The girls are contractually obligated to do pseudo-idolshit and if you're getting upset the Holo you watch doesn't stream as much as you want them to, move on to someone else that does.

>>62264133
is this the new cope?

>>62275863
>are there actual giga faggots that want some girly idol shit?
i think you should get out of this thread, then out of this board and finally out of the realm of the living

>>62280449
are you lost or just retarded

>>62311729
nigga you’re actually retarded

t.me/MitraThret

>>62264133

>>62264133
Yes! Idol Shork, not comedian Shork!

>>62314406
>I mean when Gura was in a slump and asked management for perms for some games, they literally laughed at her in front of the new rookies back then
Source? Why would they do that?

>>62314630
So where is this idolshit she is doing? That has always been a cope since all other holos do it and still keep in contact with fans / stream

>>62264744
Physical ailments

>>62264366
prove it

>>62264407
based

>>62273558
>billboards, tv appearances, alblum deals, multiple concerts, and even the largest sponsorship in EN.
>a .5 second cameo on an ad that people didn't watch and an award that the people who apparently follow it didn't even know who she was
you tell me who is the bigger brand?

>>62331091
>you tell me who is the bigger brand?
gura

when gura speaks the earth shakes

>>62273284
So you were talking out your ass, then. Good on you for at least trying to communicate unlike your oshi.

>>62264133
She has 2am dementia. please understand.

>>62284483
I mean yeah, utiate is at the very least adjacent to idol. But that's besides the point. What does constitute "idol activity" isn't relevant, it's that Holos don't have full control of their brand if there are obligations beyond streaming. There are Nijis that have done literally nothing but stream games. Can't say that about holos.

R E N T F R E

>>62286439
Yagoo and staff put an onahole in it and fuck it every night. This is of course when Gura isnt in Japan and has to fuck staff in order to keep her job.

poo poo penis!