/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

HARD BOILED

>>63008332
i prefer mine scrambled, thank you

>>63008332
Cover didn't have any free time in the 3D studio for a Myth anniversary collab but they did somehow have enough time to record 6 anniversary streams for HoloX.

Yagoo is racist. There I said it.

Im going to defend this for holoX

Maybe fucking show up to Japan and stay there instead of being in 1000 places at once. You know why people like HoloX? Because they stream. Myth is just Kiara and Mori at this point. Stream more and you should be rewarded.
>b-b-but Laplus!

Kiara is not popular enough to carry a 3D concert solo.

This is a business at the end of the day

>>63012880
>make retarded argument
>call yourself out in the same comment
>now nobody can dismiss my retarded argument!
brilliant

>>63013438
Accurate. Cover will make so much more money off each individual holoX 3d concert than they would from a Kiara or Myth 3d concert.

>>63012804
Basedo

Based. HoloX are way better performers than Myth and won't be stuck with ~40-60k viewers unless it's Laplus.

Is kiara the pokimane of vtubers?

>>63013980
Kiara can be annoying but at least she worked for what she has, that pokimane girl has never earned anything in her life

>>63013505
I dont really care if its retarded, but EN should be in Japan or vouch for a EN studio in California.

>>63013661
>Better performance
Their group songs bombed compared to Myth group songs tho.

>>63012880
>Myth is just Kiara and Mori at this point

The truth. They are not a group anymore.

>>63013438
Realistically I'm not sure why they've never done a takamori concert. It'd probably be pretty big in Japan

>>63008332
No, favoritism doesn't exist in Holopro.

>>63008332
I would agree and support Kiara's stance if her gen was more active. As it is now what they get is what they deserve.
Imagine Cover allowing a group event and right after that the majority of the members go back to not caring and not streaming. What's the point of a big event if the talents check out afterwards?

>>63017367
Cover left EN to rot for almost two full years.

>>63013557
Here's the thing, you know how much merch sales, SCs, Concert tickets (online viewing obviously included), etc. comes from overseas?
Do you THINK they could roll out this red carpet treatment for HoloX if there wasn't any fan support from overseas?
Lop off 30-40% of Cover's revenue and lets see the kinds of performances and 3D Lives they can give their JP members.
Then you can go off about how much more they make from them over EN content.

>>63017468
I get what you mean, but mismanagement is not the same as "left to rot."

>>63012804
no one likes australians anyway

>>63016758
But then it wouldn't be a SoLo CoNcErT

>>63017644
Australian isn't a race, Saxton.

Cover is a saint company.

>>63017580
JP talent has overseas sales plus JP sales and sponsorship

>>63017468
Yes, I get that but doing what they did doesn't help their case at all. Cover is JP first and foremost so it makes sense they prioritize JP first and even then the JP side has mentioned similar complaints as the EN talents. The difference is how they acted after not getting what they want. One side continued to do what they could and the other checked out.
Again, I do want to side with Kiara but her gen is making it hard to do so.

>>63017468
Yes and EN fans have themselves to blame also.

>>63017367
>I would agree and support Kiara's stance if her gen was more active. As it is now what they get is what they deserve.
This and it is inherently dishonest of her to try to conflate two different issues, the anger toward the homos and her own personal issues, which was obviously timed to cause maximum damage at the expense of HoloEN's reputation as a whole.

HoloEN isn't allowed to be Hololive.

>>63017921
Overseas fans made Cover into what it is today, if not for us then they would still be #2 behind Nijisanji. We have stood side by side with JP bros helping build the Hololive brand brick by brick, now we want our fair share and we ain't getting it.

>>63018401
And overseas fans have their fair share of terrible acts

>>63018449
And I presume you think HoloJP is perfect with no flaws?

>>63016307
Myth has group songs?

>>63008332
Here's some hard to swallow pills for weebs and japs.
>The west invented vtubing (technology and medium)
>The west first started using vtubing as content creation
>The west popularized Vtubing and JP vtubers (Nobody cared about Kizuna AI before she blew up in the west)
>The west Holo EN popularized Hololive
>The most popular vtuber in the world is from the west.
>The most subscribed vtuber in the world is from the west.

>>63008332
Take your meds before you get cracked again, egg.

>>63018401
>Overseas fans made Cover into what it is today
Actually it was mostly chinks that did that before their little sperg out. ENfaggots just rode the tidal wave chinks created.

>>63015790
But dat ass :E

>>63019035
Okay but what does CookieSwirlC have to do with this thread?

>>63018401
Blame Kiara for not being popular and Ame being hopeless at singing

>>63018401
There are some truth on your post, but you're ignoring one simple thing. Cover is a Japanese company run by Japanese people and Japanese investors and most of it's profits were gained from Japanese fans.

>>63018637
No, they aren't

but the incessant bitching and whining over Gura, Ame, and other members is proof that they don't deserve to get the best of things.

>>63019271
You wanna play this game Last Samurai? Alright then, why do the following JPs get 3D Lives and Concerts?
Haachama, Choco, Noel, Luna, Lamy and Koyori.
Nix their fucking concerts and give their resources to HoloEN.

>>63008332
why can't she be supportive of her coworkers? her twitter space where she bitched and whined was really rude to them. we all know this is why she did it. life is so unfair for kiara.

>>63019703
Are you retarded lmao? Koyori is more popular than every EN apart from Gura because everytime she streams it's a rare event

>>63020003
She ain't 1st Army and she sure as fuck can't sing. Give her resources to HoloEN

>its a glorified #'s thread now
see ya

>>63020109
people actually like koyori.

>>63020109
>she sure as fuck can't sing
>So give her resources to Ame who can't sing any song and is a third as popular

>>63008332
Lui: Leach off holotori (Kiara)
Chole: Leach off Umisea (Gura)
Koyori: Leaches Coco's idea (AsaKoyo)
Laplus: Leach off twitch (western streaming platform)
Iroha: Leach samurai idea (Last Samurai)

>>63020109
>can't sing
>releases plenty of covers, does great karaoke streams, plenty of orisongs
>her 3D lives are always a fun time with her showing off her full voice range and abilities and shows how much work she's put in for the Joshu-kuns
Nah fuck off.

>>63017367
>I would agree and support Kiara's stance if her gen was more active. As it is now what they get is what they deserve.
Cover allowed the situation to get worse for over 2 years and didn't seek any type of settlement until it was turning into a crisis. Management is almost certainly angry with Myth over contract fights which is why they ignored their request for studio time. Kiara can't do anything about the past but she is trying to make sure that Myth will have a 3D anniversary in 2024.

>>63020444
>>63020492
>>63020703
You fuck off Last Samurai, HoloEN needs its chance and if it has to come at the expense of a handful of JP members then so be it.

>>63019703
because they pay for them

>>63021182
I don't get why they can't just use a different studio. Yeah it sucks they aren't getting time but it's not like other talents had to organize other things. Okayu had to use an external studio, Flare got lucky and made a deal with VARK(all they asked is she shill a GochiUsa 3D Concert).
Always have a Plan B. If you only have one plan then all you do is hope everyone else will work with you then it's not going to work. You can't expect success if you expect that success to come from others instead of through your own efforts.

>>63021182
>HoloEN needs its chance
It's been 3 years. They had their chances, they failed.

>>63021785
>I don't get why they can't just use a different studio
They've squandered all their money. What ever happened to that 3d studio ame was supposed to build?

>>63022066
I'm willing to bet what use would it be to spend that much money to keep making Cover money when they were left to rot for over 2 years.

>it's another Nijisisters defending HoloEN's management thread
Go back to your designated shitting matome, femcels.

>>63021182
truth hurts.

>>63008332
Almost every problem with HoloEN would be solve if the JP members learned English.

>>63023524
explain?

>>63023142
??????

Why would Nijifans care one way or another about this? That makes 0 sense.

Does the ID branch suffer the same issue?

>>63023524
>would be solve
Maybe you should learn English.

>>63023721
yes, someone said moona finally got studio time but it's still in the fall or winter of next year. cover is too busy showing dance practice or giving an entire week of 3D to one of their most mediocre gens

>>63023604
HoloEN's lack of members, fixed.
HoloJP do big collabs at least ones a week that EN just can't do, and by big collabs by JP standards their medium sized collabs.
Those medium sized collabs JP has all the time, EN doesn't have those.
I really can't emphasize enough how much HoloJP relies on the fact that it has tons of members.
Ever notice that almost every collab EN and JP have are in Japanese, that need to change. That's so much good content English fans are missing out on.
The EN side doesn't have the content that keep the JP side alive.
HoloEN and HoloJP getting closer would make the EN girls have more power.
There been times HoloEN members have only been able to get things done by management because they ask a JP member.
The JP members would know their problems and could advocate for them.
With the JPs advocating for them, not as many of their ideas would get shot down.
JP members would help them get more projects and 3D stuff.
Their would be more big events for English audiences.

HoloEN isn't allowed to be Hololive.
HoloEN could finally be Hololive.

Gaming streams is not what keeps Hololive popular and HoloEN doesn't have much options outside of that.
This is like 30% on the EN girls and 45% on the management. The EN girls should have encourage more English interaction with the JP girls.
If the HoloJP girls learned English, HoloEN would gain: medium sized collabs, big collabs events, more 3D streams, move creative streams in general, just simply more members that are awesome.
Really it's hard to explain, just imagine it, it would be so much better.

>>63008332
>holox
but all of that is prerecorded shit

>>63026655
or en could learn jp

>>63026655
>Ever notice that almost every collab EN and JP have are in Japanese, that need to change. That's so much good content English fans are missing out on.
so have the JP fans miss out on it because their oshis actually stream?
>The EN side doesn't have the content that keep the JP side alive.
that's on them, why should JP have to accommodate them?

>>63026826
That doesn't solve the problem.
It's about growing the overseas audience.

EN fandom isn't really into idolshit, hell even on this board only a portion of the posters actually truly love concerts.
Kiara isn't the only EN to get snubbed, Ina and even Gura got snubbed as well but the fanbases don't care that much so you'll never see them raise a stink about it. Hell they don't even mind of some ugly SEAfaggot skinwalks their models for performances...

Maybe it could still be profitable but Cover is definitely in the typical corpo "low risk" brain at the moment (and are still so mindfucked by Luxiem that they think there's some untapped hom0shart market they can get)

>>63008332
No wonder. Shilling shillox is already out of fashion

>>63027259
>so have the JP fans miss out on it because their oshis actually stream?
If the JP members new English, the number of collabs would increase. Also, just reverse your logic.
>that's on them, why should JP have to accommodate them?
Because they wants to be a successful business.

>>63026655
You do know JP gets their idea/project shut down right? Remember when pekora cried back in 2021 and have 1 week break?

>>63027776
This was meant for >>63026924

>>63026826
>prerecorded shit
So is basically everything these days. Outside of solo lives, gen 5's T4U was the only actual live live this year as far as I can recall, aside from a few small segments here and there.

>>63028029
Yes they do. It happens to EN more often. On top of that EN gets less opportunities.
Also, the point is that it would get better for EN if they got closer to the JP girls, much better.

>>63028031
whos audience ENs or JPs

wao Koyo 3D sex ikz

>>63016758
She'd just feel that Cover can't trust her to solo, and needs to be with a bigger member. Besides she just wants a concert for all of her lousy songs she spent so much on.

>>63019703
I mean lamy's 3D stream recently got 115k ccv right? Remind me again on Kiara's 3D showcase numbers.

>>63028488
but botan was lower than ID showcase...

>>63008332
Are those even confirmed 3d streams or you faggots seethe just in case? Only heard them say the collab will have a live part.

>>63028589
Her last 3D got 78k no? And her other 3D the ramen one got 90k+

>>63028340
Well it would do both.
Really, wouldn't Hololive be so much better for English fans if the JP girls tried to speak English (even if it's broken).
The EN girls can do Japanese Only streams to make up for the English the JP girls would speak.

>>63018401
Burgers are truly the dumbest race. Holo was growing past Niji regardless of EN. When Pekora or Marine have 40k people watching their streams, EN isn't even 10%.

>>63027983
>If the JP members new English, the number of collabs would increase.
Collabs that their JP fans wouldn't be able to understand. EN fans "miss out" because EN doesn't stream or collab as often, JP shouldn't be punished because of them.

>>63028827
why would MAIN branch cater to side branches? If anything just be glad theyre not getting nijisanji overseas treatment (yet)

>>63019703

>>63028827
yes of course it would be nice in an ideal world but we dont live there. holo jp focus on jp because thats where the money is, also the time difference is a factor as well as JPs are busy with dance practices, singinging lessons and recording. if the JPs wanted to learn english and do english only streams they would have by now, why do you think they havent?

>>63029104
The EN girls can do Japanese Only streams to make up for the English the JP girls would speak.

>>63008332
I think it was just her having a routine woman moment

>>63029334
They don't need to learn English. They can just speak broken English. The JP girls don't speak English because Japanese people have low self esteem. You must not understand just how autistic Japanese low self esteem is.
Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N2x8TFGTjs

>>63029184
The main branch would gain just as much, if not way more from it.

>>63029353
Why would the JP want to watch when they could just be watching their JP oshi? Also if EN can't even stream for their own audience, why would they suddenly stream for a JP audience?

>>63029598
What would they even gain from that? Pandering to EOP is not effective anymore.

It's funny how Kiara is known for being me me me and we have people here having the same mindset.
>It's the JP side that needs to learn EN and cater to us.
>Look at our numbers, we are more important
>We should be the focus, not JP.
Get the most "successful" EN gen to care about streaming first before you start blaming anything else.

>>63029639
Tons of people in Japan love the EN girls. Also the JP fans aren't that pathetic.
>>63029678
>What would they even gain from that?
Money.

>>63029541
>The JP girls don't speak English because Japanese people have low self esteem
low self esteem has nothing to do with not speaking english and no i dont know about autistic japanese low self esteem is because im australian.

im still confused about what you want? you want them to stream and speak broken english which is very stressfull on them and try to be entertaining to their en fans and ignore their jp fans and to make up for this the ENs (who the jp fans dont care about) shall stream in JP?

Where is the sauce OP? You are just making this shit up

>>63029866
>i'm still confused about what you want
HoloEN isn't allowed to be Hololive.
I want HoloEN to finally be Hololive.

>>63029854
What money? lol

>>63029971
they are hololive english stop being a fucking name schizo

>>63030080
I was talking about in spirit.

>>63030057
You know cover makes financial report. Maybe you should check them.

>>63030222
So pandering to a smaller market will give them more money?

>>63030188

they will never be japanese

>>63030466
I'm the one saying that the JP girls should speak English. No American wants to be Japanese.
>>63030382
It would not decrease the money they get from the JP fans. If cover managed to pull that off, then that would be impressively incompetent. It's about making Hololive stronger overseas.

>>63008332
Kiara gave up the super sentai kino, that was her fault. She could've been the orange hero the Holox is fighting and use it as excuse for collabs. Too late now.

>>63030659
There is a reason why there's not a lot of EOP pandering stream anon. It's not working anymore. This is not 2020-2021.

>>63030809
It's called autistic Japanese low self esteem. Learn some basic facts about other countries.
Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcO9bZavHRg

I genuinely don't understand why they gave suisei the hoshimatic project. She's not even a good dancer. Let kiara handle this project.

>>63030937
It’s not low self esteem. It’s the other way round, native English speakers think of themselves way too highly

>>63030937
No it's called it's not worth doing. A complete waste of time.

>>63016173
>vouch for a EN studio in California.
Honestly, this. Either in California or along the West Coast (or the Pacific Time Zone if you want to expand your options) but if Hololive could construct a studio out in America, I think a good chunk of these sorts of issues would be fixed simply because people wouldn't have to fly out to Japan for a month.

>>63031054
Why does it have so many view anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcO9bZavHRg
>native English speakers think of themselves way too highly
What is that ridiculous statement. Native English speakers hate themselves more than any other people group in the world.
My claim is if Hololive wants to expand to overseas markets, there's only one way they establish a large, long lasting presences.

>>63030976
they didn't "give" it to him dumbass she came up with it because she thought it'd be interesting to show people how dance lessons go before events. dance skill is irrelevant since that's the point.

>>63031325
They still should gave it to Kiara. She knows more about this stuff more than suisei.

>>63031238
>Pander to EOP
>Pander to EOP
Marine did a song with gura and guess what happen?

>>63019035
The most consistent revenue streams are from JP though.
Subs, tech, being first entrants, and popularity don't mean shit if they don't pay the bills.

>>63031436
what part of "they didn't "give" it to *her" did you not understand.

>>63031436
i would argue nene or matsuri or fuwamoco knows more

>>63031490
So you admit that when you put EN and JP together, it gets tons of views.

>>63031576
Pretty sure he's baiting. People can't be that stupid

>imagine not being a bilingual

>>63031638
Compare it to her other original release anon.

>>63031575
It's almost like cover has complete drop the ball when it comes to the English fans side. I'm complaining that their doing a bad job, they should do better. It's like they completely sabotaged it and its still this big.

>>63031576
>>63031644
They should turn the idea down then. They are wasting the use of 3D studio for this instead of giving it to Kiara or other myth members.

>>63031780
man stop wasting my time with this lazy bait.

>>63012880
>b-b-but Laplus!
Yes HoloX is fucking shit because Laplus is in there. Just fucking disband and do Umisea/Holotori/Holodog/Holowarrior or some shit already, seriously, fuck Laplus, she's literally collabing with Kuzuha, it can't get worse than that.

>>63031716
It's been 8 days and it's in her top ten most viewed songs. Let's see were it will be in a month.

>>63031780
hoshi project has twice the views of kiaras showcase let that sink in kfp schizo

>>63032003
Still under performing for marine standard.

>>63012880
>Ignores that Cover cancelled 3D for Ayame's birthday and anniversary to still argue that you should be in Japan
Retard kys

>>63032080
You mean compared to her meme songs. Compare it to her non meme songs. Also I about to go to sleep, so tell me whatever you want to tell me now.

>>63031964
kuzuha? of all things to be mad at lap for its being on the same team as kuzuha? kek

>>63031964
>do Umisea/Holotori/Holodog/Holowarrio
This is the way.

>>63032222
please seek help for your mental retardation and take the meds the prescribe you

Very fruitful discussion here, but can anyone seriously answer: were these announced as 3d streams anywhere?

>>63032403
shhhhh

>>63032352
I humored you for a bit, I've know this whole time you're not a Hololive fan.
Hololive fans wants to Hololive succeed. Those who truly love Hololive will criticized, because they know they can do better. If someone loves someone or someones in this case, they will want what's best for it. I will continue to do what I can, for the sake of Hololive. Saying I'm mental won't work on me, were vtuber fans, on 4chan.
I'm not ashamed to love Hololive.

HoloEN isn't allowed to be Hololive.
Management has fail them and it's been obvious to everyone for quite some time.
I want HoloEN to finally be Hololive, fully. I want the girls and the fans to be happy.

>>63032658
you live in a fantasy land holoEN is hololive
have a good sleep

>>63029306

>>63008332
I like the way Laplus dances. I can't wait to watch this.

https://youtube.com/shorts/BGeRfjZhiT8

>>63032902
>below Anya
Jesas......

>>63032403
https://www.youtube.com/live/sj_ngdVK43s?si=zA2tE_2lyN2WyWeT
I would assume so since laplus’s is a 3d idol concert which she is advertising with shorts
Would be strange if the rest weren’t

>>63032982
cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuute and also erotic at the same time

>>63019497
sure then explain why they're wasting their capital (which profit came in no small part from the EN girls) and manhours (paid using the money made in no small part by the EN girls) on designing, hiring, managing, organizing events, hunting for contracts and projects, for 12 useless EN homos, instead of spending all of that money and human resources on doing things for the EN girls?

Kiara isn't popular and her songs are awful.

Maybe Myth should get all of their members to actively stream again first, lmao.

>>63033227
Because Yagoo likes the boys. Cry about it.

>>63033092
Nice, thx

>>63033092
so not many people are seeing those since they're on laplus' channel?

>>63033134
>erotic
She legit looks like a primary school kid at PE in those shorts. But you do you anon.

>>63033227
Well, Tempus had been in the works ever since holostars JP started getting their own 3D showcases. With Luxiem, Cover thought maybe there was a market they could capitalize on. Issue is the same retarded that was responsible for Council seems to be in charge here. Then of course their two most popular members end up getting into trouble and quitting after a long suspension, basically botching the entire branch. If they didnt hire some fresh talent, they'd essentially be leaving the 6 they still have to rot and "pulling a niji" as it were - which sure, you may like, and this board may like, but perhaps they wanna protect their long-term reputation, or perhaps its just yagoo's own bias. T-Rex boy seems like their last hope to make a splash, but he already seems to be challenging vesper and magni for the graduation speedrun.

>>63033458
i am.
so is kiara.
we are

>>63015790
But has Kiara ever sold tasty nutritious cookies to KFP ??

>>63032902
I hope Yagoo has this as his background during his zoom call to chew Jenma's ass out.

>>63034049
Whiny bitches, both of you

>>63012804
I've always maintained a headcanon that there's no HoloEU because some Italian or Frenchman beat Yagoo up when he was a kid, and Yagoo harbored Ill will towards the continent ever since. Nice to see it's getting traction.

>>63034672
>French
>beating anyoner up
FUCKING KEK!

>>63034672
They hired one EU and regretted it.

>>63034748
Now you understand the embarrassment Yagoo feels

>>63019035
you sound chink

>>63034809
funny thing is they thought she was australian kek

>>63032902
When I see this , it makes me an even more proud Tako , with an Oshi everyone disregards as boring, with as a small sub count as Kiara , but when it counts we show up to support our Girl beating the subscriber/ccv ratio compared to the bigger dogs every single time

>>63035215
It's called a cult

>>63035305
Yes, a tentacult

>>63033005
Anya is pretty good these days. Just watched her 3D showcase right now but shes actually trying there to entertain both JPs and ENs along with IDs and it works out.

>>63008332
yes lmao

>>63033005
Anya and ID stream their 3D debuts during JP Hours allowing any potential viewers of other JP channels to watch it instead. Kiara and EN debuted during NA Hours also outside of Kiara's normal streaming timezone.

why would they waste money on failure like kiara

>>63032217
who cares about fucking Ayame of all talents, if she wants to have a 3D maybe she can earn it first, If I was cover why would I book the studio for her over Pekora or Koyori.

>>63012880
Why do they look like Ascians?

>>63035994
Cause not Nijisanji?

>>63027983
>new English
Why do you expect them to learn English when you haven’t?

>>63030976
one of them is popular and the other is a below 3k ccv shitter, is obvious which of the two options is more viable to give the project to.

>>63036039
next big bad buy in ff is holox and lap is the new zodiark iroha is the new zenos

>>63030976
one of them is one of the most profitable vtuber with proven records of turning a profit in whatever project she works on. The other one struggle to get viewers

>>63030976
Probably because Suisei is significantly more popular than Kiara and oh, I don’t know, came up with the idea for it?

All the commonplace and mundane,
we shall cut down with one swing of our blade.
Oh, you poor souls lost within an eternal cycle,
we welcome you with open wings.

We are the rightful rulers of Eden's planet!
Secret Society HoloX! De Gozaru!

>>63031964
>4 out of 5 members are great
>Wahhh gen sucks
The gen could be Lui and 4 Laplii and it would still be a great fucking gen.

>>63036321
Kiara is part of the most successful gen and her selling power is no joke.

>>63035923
unironically sound like a cope

>>63035923
You need to accept that she's simply not that popular. She have a very dedicated fanbase but that's about it.

>>63036812
t. eop

>>63036812
Do you legitimately believe Kiara is more popular than Suisei?

>>63036812
Myth selling power WAS no joke, they still earn a lot of money via merch and what not but the royalty is gone, cover failed to capitalize on the momentum they had on the western scene back in 2020, JP is more viable to give a lot of projects like these one nowadays.

>>63015790
Ire. She's earned ire.

>>63013980
Nah, I dont like Kiara at all myself but Pokimane is the worst trash imaginable in the western streaming sphere

How is this retarded bait thread still getting replies? Oh yeah most of you are brown

The thing about Kiara is that she's so deep in her own delusions that perfectly reasonable things cease to make sense to her if they aren't exactly to her expectations. She has so much heart, but she needs refinement. Her vocal range is so narrow and you can tell she could be better if she put in the work that some of the other members do, but it's like she can't see that.

>>63008332
>What the hell? The label is...is... FUCKING advertising their latest talent over ME?! MY THREE YEARS!!!
She is a dumb cunt, that's all there is to it.

>>63031436
In actuality, Nene, Matsuri, or even Towa knows more than what jack shit Kiara knows about that stuff

>>63037852
That’s without mentioning Sora or Aki.

>>63036998
>>63037058
>>63037136
Ask hololive fans outside Japan and you will see how popular Kiara is compared to Suisei.

>>63038034
sui piss is more popular than kiara

>>63038101
And it's not even close

>>63031151
Kiara would be against that since she would probably want the studio in europe and not america

>Hololive talents have their concerts and projects delayed or cancelled
>Meanwhile Holostars always have theirs on time

>>63038034
Delusional.

>>63032902
Why the fuck is Mumei that high, she is fucking boring

>>63032902
>A homo collaber is second
Unicorns don't look

>>63008332
Maybe? If, rightfully so.
But i dont know if this is 100% on cover, she is stuck with at least 3 extremely lazy people who dont give a shit and probably dont even want to do something like this. I imagine its hard to get covers okay when its not a full gen thing.
Just put Kiara into Advent or JP, she would be way happier.

>>63034056
Wow is this how Ina did it by giving Takos cookies?

>>63032902
lol what a loser

>>63034056
Is this about the Pokamine thing or whatever shes called?

>>63038736
But, but, but muh Trinity

>>63038886
Its still a thing, the trinity of no streams.

>>63038949
kek

>>63038949
Kek

>>63038949
kek based

>>63038858
I mean popularity is a foregone conclusion after the first impression, so it does not surprise me that Kiara is that low, since she was a retard that used the beginning to be a sidepiece to Mori and leeching on Pekora instead of being her own individual

>>63038949
kekarooo

>>63038665
One of the very very few EN holos who is both cute and can actually sing

Somehow someway, holostars still get their 3D on schedule, if only they use those homo 3D manpower to help Hololive Myth, Promise and Advent 3D instead.

>>63039706
did the stars use the cover studio?

>>63039804
>cover studio
Ofc they do, it's in the name

>>63039706
Somehow they always "book it in time"

>>63040669
Stop noticing things okay? they booked it 10 years ago!

>>63039706
It's common knowledge that EN whores needed to reserve a spot in March 2018 at the LATEST. Do you have any idea how long it takes to fax something to Cover HQ with all five of their signatures written in period blood? So really, it's their fault they aren't getting any 3D until 2027.

Bae moving to Japan, is that because she believes that she can be included more in the JP side: actually be able to use the studio more?

>>63041928
yes

Stop comparing different markets. Without either groups, is a huge loss, that won't be made up by the other. Plus the strength of the US dollar to Yen makes the comparison of JP value over EN even less.

>>63038865
>>63037229
>>63034056
It's not the price of the cookies, is that she has taken the moral high ground about such practices before.
She even criticized these two streamers on Twitter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qp728DDfMk
Of course, nothing against Gura. She's perfect.

>>63008582
I prefer sunny.

>>63039706
I swear if they once more shove the stars into the girls' live as "special guests" despite them having their own pity party, I'll backflip off Hololive HQ dressed as a unicorn.

>>63040669
It's new years concert, retard. I'd guess cover booked it for everyone involved.

>>63042626
Can you please do it anyway? Don't even need to go to Cover HQ, any building would suffice. Better yet, make it a flashmob.

>>63042626
They seem to not be included. The girls will probably be on the homo side tho. There's been a change in strategy. compare the Tempus bannered subreddit which was locked down for debut and nobody could stream on top to Armis.

>>63032902
How do the superchats and vod views compare?
Also it's almost like not supporting your overseas talents has it's consequences.

>>63041928
Yes and rather than having constant bitchfits, Bae actually takes action and gets things done

Kiara deserves less

>>63043290
It's not only the new years concert

>>63018401
pekora marine and aqua had already been getting better viewership than all of nijisanji before holoEN myth had their debuts

>>63035994
Because people want to watch Ayame, as opposed to Koyori. Koyori doesn't even get 100k views on her streams consistently.

Kiara should get a Sololive. surely her first album sold as well as Towa's.

>>63008332
Gura needs to give birth first before they are allowed to do any myth celebrations.

>>63043769
You probably wouldn't hear about the shit that gets delayed/cancelled for them unless you follow them religiously.

>>63044013
bwahahahahahahahaha..............
bwahahahahhahaha.......... holy fuck your one funny anon

>>63043916
The overseas fans wave existed for months before holoen you retard. Prime EOP pandering era

>>63012880
We had this exact same conversation 10 times already.
Her being in Japan changes nothing. IRyS is in Japan and she gets jack shit. While Kiara traveled every month this fall and was in Japan half of the time. There is no need to live in Japan when she can just jump on a plane whenever. And even if she moves, half of Myth is still in NA.
What she needed was studio time for Myth. But can’t have that, needs to record more holoX 3D collabs and Suisei’s training to her actual content.

>>63044473
just remember that suis training has twice the views of kiaras 3d showcase and holoX will get 3 times her ccv

>>63027938
But the connect the world concert sold instantly and had very good online sale.
And remember the entire drama when EN fans couldn’t buy lotery tickets for the fes?

Yeah, sure EN fans are not into idol shit at all.

Why is everyone pretending like a Myth 3D live is what Kiara actually wants? you are not that stupid and just playing along right?

>>63044288
>wave

>>63041928
No, the studio is fully booked and understaffed.
Being in the country won’t create any magic schedule spot or more staff.

If anything, she’ll be a guest more often maybe, because she won’t have to travel for a single appearance. Not that this has stopped Kiara from doing exactly that.

>>63044549
If everything was driven by numbers, there would be no homos.
If YAGOO has passion projects like the stars and trying to give them the same (if not better) treatment, he can give fair and equal treatment to hololive members.

>>63044594
Because that’s exactly what she said. Because she has a three year record of never lying about anything regardless of it being mundane or very important.
And because she IS getting her solo 3D, the Myth 3D is what she didn’t get.

>>63044816
yagoo LIKES boys and wants a harem of young foreign boys

>>63008332
They should have a Holotori 3D live.

The HoloJP girls learned English

>>63044549
go ahead, apply the same logic to explain why members like Mel, Aki and Choco are getting bday and anniversaries over Gura or the IDs, whose showcase numbers were better than any of their 3DLives

>>63044960
This, I'll take Holotori 3D Live over any of the EN ones every day of they week

>>63045057
senpai tax

>>63045145
both IDs and Myth are senpai to HoloX tho, so the logic breaks down again

>>63045197
>apply the same logic to explain why members like Mel, Aki and Choco are getting bday and anniversaries over Gura or the IDs
we were talking about this and the reason is senpai tax and they booked their time or got a 3rd party studio

>>63019497
Wasn’t Miko close to giving up to the GTA V clip of her saying the n word blew up

Why dont the EN girls put their money together and with the help of cover buy an NA studio to use?

>>63044868
She said so to rally more EN fans to her cause, imagine believing this psychopath's words
>because that’s exactly what she said
She also said she envies holos like Mori and Suisei. It has nothing to do with ordinary 3D lives, don't play dumb with me
>she IS getting her solo 3D
Your point being? to demand more despite having already received this much was not a normal reaction on Kiara's part

keep your problems to yourself KFPiss

Damn, that guy defending Kiara so much is either Kiara herself or an obsessed fan.
I don't hate Kiara, but that kind of knighting is sickening.

>>63045445
Even if they had the money for the walls and equipment.
They’re not just going to staff it by themselves. What are they going to do? Found a new company, become shareholders, hire staff and make their own cover while still working for cover???

>>63045445
having to deal with american labor laws and other american fuckery especially if they did it in calli then only for a few of the girls to not accept a new contract and have the place be totally useless sounds like a solid investment

>>63045516
They're just immensely deranged and mentally buckbroken. I got accused of being some other faggot they supposedly have beef with for god knows how long despite only posting some passing remark shitting on her once in a previous thread.

>>63012880
>HoloEN
>Just live in Japan!
What's the point of EN branch then?

>>63045718
>NOOOO It’s not always the same people shitting on Kiara all the time, there are dozens of us
>Admit he was in a previous thread, already shitting on Kiara
Which one is it? Are you camping those threads or there are hundreds of just passing-by Kiara haters. Can’t be both.

>>63044868
>she has a three year record of never lying about anything
Yeah, she just has her own brand of truth with useful exaggerations (something really sad happening this spring, still waiting) and convenient omissions.
Like this time, their pitched group concert was declined because of "logistics". What are those logistics? Except for them not being able to get together at a fitting time. Totally the companies fault.
Then they get offered (!) separate lives but that also gets cancelled. Why would that be? Conveniently no details on that. Surly it's because Cover are movie type racist villains, not because Myth fucked it up.

>>63045906
That narrative assumes no Jp lives were cancelled, which they were.
So you are just talking out of your ass.

>>63027938
Instead of raising stink Gura just stopped trying.

>>63045906
>Yeah, she just has her own brand of truth with useful exaggerations (something really sad happening this spring, still waiting) and convenient omissions.
Absolute retard. Don’t blame Kiara for catalog schizo making extrapolation about something Kiara said which turned out to be right.

>Like this time, their pitched group concert was declined because of "logistics". What are those logistics? Except for them not being able to get together at a fitting time. Totally the companies fault.
>Then they get offered (!) separate lives but that also gets cancelled. Why would that be? Conveniently no details on that. Surly it's because Cover are movie type racist villains, not because Myth fucked it up.
It’s not even the first time she talked about that. She was turned down by cover. Why would you blame anyone but cover? Why do you need to be this much of a corpo bootlicker just to have the opposite opinion than Kiara?

I think this thread may or may not have gone to shit.

>>63046027
Not it doesn't
>>63046038
Did Cover offer them solo lives instead of a group one or not?

>>63046225
No.
Myth asked for a group live and were turned down.
Myth then asked for solo anniversary lives and were turned down again.

>>63046225
They offered to do a group live to get it all over with, which was declined.

>>63046296
So they asked for one, got turned down cause studio full, then asked for five? Ok, they are just retarded, my bad.

>>63046296
>>63046301
Get your stories straight

>>63046416
Both are saying the same thing initially.

>>63046296
>>63046376
moron-to-moron communication, fascinating

>>63046376
Again it was cover being retarded. They turned down the 5 people live and implied it would be easier to get 5 different lives.
Then Myth said, ok, let’s just do that and were turned down again.

>>63046517
It sounds like they are talking with different people with a different set of rules every time, or whoever is in charge of the studio suffers from severe schizophrenia.

>>63045810
Thanks for proving my point niggerfaggot

>>63046517
So Cover said they could do 5 different lives, then just turned it down? For no reason. Because evil corpo. In Kiara we trust

>>63046672
This was in a spawn of multiple months. Kiara didn’t just woke up to release that to the world in a twitter space. She talks about stuff like that every other week. At some point it might have sounded possible and then no.

>>63046672
>In Kiara we trust
I do at least.

>>63046580
Or like Kiara only tells the parts she finds convenient.

>>63045718
Are you that Raden anon? Just stop trying. KFP has insane victim complex.

>>63046750
>guys looks like im gonna have to fund it myself
yaass queen ill donate half my pay cheque

>>63012880
The truth is Gura wont show up when they need her to so they cant do anything in the studio without her missing

I'm completely out of the loop, what happened to Kiara now?

>>63047019
Cover is retarded as usual with the studio

>>63047019
Being a whiny loser, nothing new

>>63047019
The usual, as usual.

>>63047019
Kiara who’s both vocal about stuff this likes and goes well as much as stuff that she doesn’t like or don’t go well vented on a Twitter space recently. Somehow unlike usual this one got a lot of attention on Reddit.

The long short story is that she can’t get enough studio time and thinks EN/ID is treated differently from JP. Not the first time she talks about that either.

Here’s the clip if you care to listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXmfHA4iBGA

>>63047127
Thank you for the detailed answer, I see that >>63047037, >>63047069 and >>63047072 were right after all.

Due to the thread thought for a bit that Kiara got into a fight with Holo X, kek.

>>63047018
The truth is this psychopath has been at it for years and you are lower than pond scum if you take her side

>>63047019
she thinks shes owed studio time when there is a process for getting time and has no money to book a different studio so she took out a loan to do her own 3d

>>63008332
HoloEN isn't allowed to be Hololive.

>>63038372
>HoloEN
Big difference. And more specific Myth. Tempus even got their anniversary delayed because Magni was the one in charge of it and somehow they could fix it and put a new whole thing some weeks later. Even of they don't even have a 3D showcase or a concert in the works for the nearly future.

>>63047216

>>63047202
she is frustrated because of them. where's your helmet kiara?

>>63008332
The Japanese believe that the west HATES idol culture. EN was never an idol branch. EN almost failed by removing idol culture.
Blame Japanese autism. They're 100% convinced that westerns won't like things that are too Japanese, because that's what they made up in their head.
Really what you want to blame are the hordes of Japanese people who hate Idol culture. The Japanese are to weak to face even the possibility of conflict, so they try to hide it.

HoloEN isn't allowed to be Hololive.

>>63047219
>so she took out a loan to do her own 3d
This is your brain on eggs

She is getting her own, 3D from cover, at the studio, she is recording it right now.

>>63008332
Maybe EN and ID should just, you know, do their own thing separate from using Cover's studio? I am sure renting out the studio out of pocket will be a tax write off and they will recoup any losses with SC and merch sales. So it sounds like the spin offs just want an excuse to have their victim complex justified.

>>63047287
https://twitter.com/irys_en/status/1724638341889696124

>>63047396
whats the loan for

>>63047507
For her lack of liquidity after getting fucked by her accountant and paying both 2022’s and 2023’s taxes in a short amount of time and both over-estimated based on her 2021’s income.

It’s just 11k that she’ll pay off next paycheck, not nearly enough for any kind of live.

>>63047348
You're back, the meds don't help anymore?

>>63035215
That is quintessentially asian

>>63047685
There's been so many of these threads that I'm actually just copy pasting stuff other bait threads. I almost accidentally copy pasted a post from this thread back into itself.

>>63047837
Yeah, I've read enough of the schizo that I imitate his style when I'm bored.