/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>6302582
i wanna sniff subaru

Kuzuhasisters WHAT HAPPENED

>>6302582
>Ollie in the list
Noice

>>6302582
No buff. Just a regular streaming day with 1 special stream for Subaru. Kanon, Luna, and Ironmouse replaced Bahroo, Kanae and another niji like Fuwa.

I don't feel so good chumbros...

>>6302910
She's getting triple debuffed
-outside her usual steaming timezone
-streaming in two POVs so overlap fans have to choose one pov
-chickenvoice Kiara is a debuff to enjoyment

Gotta give it to Subaru
>DAT INCLNIE
She took FULL advantage of the EOP attention she got with that dancing duck meme. She was already positioning herself for that, with English captions for her zatsudans and it PAID OFF big time.

Here is the updated chart for July 9 (JST), with her incline and Holo general incline.
Holo inclined hard but Subaru TO THE MOON!

>>6302910
T-the vod will mog subaru, just wait.

>I come back to the numbers thread for the first time in a while and what do I find. Incomprehensible Graphs and Walls of text. Who is behind this? Why must you ruin the one place where a shit flinger like me feels at peace. Why?

>>6303368
God bless you chart anon for preventing this place from turning into a shitflinging enclosure.

>PPT is stil streaming with over 20k viewers

I KNEEL

>>6303518
Who on God's green and luscious earth are you quoting?

>>6303518
Shut the fuck up Yagoo. Pooh cock sucker.

Duck may be in the moon-league but still you can`t deny that kanatan is INCLINING

>>6303518
Numberfags are taking this place way too seriously.
>Pic related of course.

>>6303636
DAMN, Kanata is holding 21k people up all night from midnight to 6AM.

>>6303518
How can I forget this one too lol. But I have to say. This place has seriously devolved. Like jeez. Is this what Coco's graduation did to you guys. Is this what a post-Coco
era numbers thread looks like.

>>6303982
stop reposting your own bait already

>>6302582
This is a hololive without Coco. Hololive without Coco is like eating curry rice without using any plates. Completely baseless. No different from the Nijidogs who eat off the floor.

>>6303636
>still you can`t deny that kanatan is INCLINING
Kanata is inclining hard and, in 2021, she's pretty much the benchmark of Hololive, hugging the average very closely.

Here is all 2021 streams over 20k peak, not including today's (because it didn't finish yet)

>2021-04-22 :: 79623/96348 :: 【#かなたん爆誕】お誕生日 3D LIVE【天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-05-05 :: 46236/89262 :: 【#天音かなた新衣装】天使のお仕事コスチュームNew outfit【天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-01-01 :: 49749/84711 :: 【#ホロライブ正月衣装】Live2D 2.0も同時公開【天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-06-09 :: 67890/78063 :: 【雑談】ざつだん【天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-01-02 :: 50116/64022 :: 【#天音かなた3DLIVE】僕が主役でもいいですか?【ホロライブ】
>2021-01-25 :: 34689/50700 :: 【#AKUKIN本社建設リレー】AKUKIN建設本社を可愛く飾る!!!【天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-07-01 :: 35306/40612 :: ここ【天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-06-24 :: 28286/34353 :: 【Minecraft】かなたそ、やぐらを作る!! #うさ建ステージリレー【天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-01-01 :: 26874/30490 :: 【#お正月女子会】まったりおせち食べる会【ホロライブ】
>2021-02-28 :: 23203/29497 :: 【UNDERTALE】初見Gルートへ。その4。【天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-04-14 :: 25239/29233 :: 【#ドン鬼宝天】3人で歌う【百鬼あやめ&宝鐘マリン&天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-02-20 :: 19084/25370 :: 【#かなココ】100万人記念に・・・【天音かなた&桐生ココ/ホロライブ】
>2021-05-18 :: 09862/25019 :: 【日本地図テスト】47都道府県埋めておっぱいに埋まる!!!!!!【天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-02-28 :: 16330/24904 :: 【UNDERTALE】初見Gルートへ。その3。【天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-05-30 :: 10893/24886 :: 【ウマ娘】久々のガチャへ・・・!!!!【天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-06-06 :: 13703/24854 :: 【Miitopia】天音プロが描く1時間でそっくりMiiづくり【天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-07-08 :: 18795/24768 :: 【Minecraft】闇市店主、激激激レア青ウーパーチャレンジ!!【天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-03-05 :: 13781/22800 :: 【ウマ娘 プリティダービー】地獄ガチャ・・・ライスシャワーが欲しい!!!【天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-06-02 :: 08667/22750 :: 【Miitopia】先生お仕事です!!1時間でそっくりMiiづくり【天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-07-03 :: 09730/22433 :: 【Minecraft】4期生ピクセルアート残り2人!かなたそ編!【天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-05-29 :: 13864/21102 :: 【Miitopia】1時間でどれだけ似せられるかチャレンジ!!!!【天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-02-15 :: 18186/20952 :: 【アイドル衣装】#ホロふぉーすアイドル衣装【天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-06-09 :: 15946/20788 :: 【#カプとれ】2万円で多くとれるのはどっちだ!?かなた VS トワ【天音かなた/ホロライブ】
>2021-01-29 :: 08436/20574 :: 【Minecraft】Godzilla VS Gorilla SEASON2【天音かなた/ホロライブ】

Duck has been seriously impressive for a while now (other than those shill streams but that's understandable), if she can keep it up she definitely belongs in the top tier

>>6303308
It's not the chicken. It's the timing and the game. If this was another german lesson set on Gura's regular timeslot. They will get the numbers.

>>6303703
This is a joke right? It has to be.

>>6304196
s-sugoi~

>>6304182
You're saying this when Subaru just mogged every non-graduation thing Coco ever did with that stream? Coco is irrelevant now.

>>6303603
You were saying nigga.

>>6303308
Even then that's less than Flare gets for Minecraft with 4.5 times fewer subscribers

>>6302582
>Kanata in top 3
Pog

>>6304297
stop replying to bait retard

>>6304297
Mogs literally everyone you know in superchats. And definitely mogs Subaru in merch sales as well.

>>6304297
Only Zhangs think this.

>>6302910
I honestly lasted for only 3 minutes. Stale content, and annoying birb.

>>6303368
Holy shit didn't realize it was that big. You know props to her for putting in the work for English captions and translations so she was positioned to take advantage of it.

>>6304297
Coco has the best feet in hololive. Subaru can't compete, sorry. It's a shame really. If only your favorite had good looking, high quality feet. But that's sadly not the case.

>>6304967
>Coco has the best feet in hololive
She wishes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6LJrLmzUXA

>>6304967
>I wanna scrub off all the calluses under Coco's gentle feet. Slurp on her very soft toes. And deepthroat her entire foot. I'm who I am Today because of this bitch. A feet enjoyed, No no no, A Feet Chad.

>>6303982
Devolved? Keep trying to cope with the fact that shit flinging retards are hated by everyone.

I kinda wish Gura and Kiara keep streaming for 2 more hours to see if their odd numbers today are timezone related. Usually even with debuffs, Gura's Minecraft is an easy 18k+, so her struggling to break 14k is an anomaly.

>>6304217
The DQ views actually INCREASE as the series goes on

On more for the road: the delightful Choco Sensei.
She inclined hard from early 2020 and keep more or less the same baseline since September 2020. She does one thing and does it good but she can't really unleash her full potential, not on Youtube at least.

Here are all her 10k+ peak viewer streams of 2021, notice any pattern?

>2021-02-14 :: 20882/27503 :: 【#ちょこ先生誕2021】ちょこ先生の3Dお誕生日会【ホロライブ/癒月ちょこ】
>2021-06-13 :: 10440/16769 :: 【録画はメン限】悪魔のASMR【ホロライブ/癒月ちょこ】
>2021-04-27 :: 10481/15617 :: 【ASMR】録画はメン限で残すかも【ホロライブ/癒月ちょこ】
>2021-06-22 :: 09827/14467 :: 【録画はメン限】お耳ドキドキ悪魔のASMR【ホロライブ/癒月ちょこ】
>2021-07-08 :: 09777/13137 :: 【録画はメン限】悪魔のASMR【ホロライブ/癒月ちょこ】
>2021-01-29 :: 08803/12889 :: 【録画は残しません】悪魔のASMR【ホロライブ/癒月ちょこ】
>2021-05-14 :: 11625/12855 :: 【ASMR】録画はメン限で残します!【ホロライブ/癒月ちょこ】
>2021-02-15 :: 10481/12573 :: 【録画は残しません】真夜中に悪魔に癒されにきませんか?【ホロライブ/癒月ちょこ】
>2021-06-04 :: 08896/12327 :: 【録画はメン限】悪魔の保健医がお耳ハイジャックいたします【ホロライブ/癒月ちょこ】
>2021-01-08 :: 10070/12190 :: 【ASMR】滅びのASMR配信【ホロライブ/癒月ちょこ】
>2021-03-10 :: 09030/11830 :: 【ASMR】録画は残しません!【ホロライブ/癒月ちょこ】
>2021-04-16 :: 07542/11306 :: 【ASMR】録画は残しません!【ホロライブ/癒月ちょこ】
>2021-03-12 :: 08023/10409 :: 【#ホロ女子座談会】ホロ女子座談会!卒業式体験談編【ホロライブ/癒月ちょこ】
>2021-06-26 :: 08343/10237 :: 【#メルキスココ】ココ様にメルキスが色気というものを教えてさしあげます!【ホロライブ/癒月ちょこ】
>2021-04-07 :: 07655/10048 :: 【録画はメン限】お耳ハイジャックします!【ホロライブ/癒月ちょこ】

Susan really did a number on her, she was for a period the second fastest growth in Hololive (trailing only post Azur Lane Aqua) then Youtube cracked down on ASMR and it took ages until she got her mojo back (more or less).
She's not reinventing herself with APEX and, if she doesn't burn out she can carve a niche for herself there: not as bad to lose motivation, not as good to attract backseaters and antis.

>>6307054
>not reinventing
"now reinventing"*

>>6305365

>>6306540
If only that were true anon-kun.

>>6307054
do you make these graphs? I was wondering if you could make a lockdown/lifting lockdown comparison

>>6308681
>do you make these graphs?
Yes

>I was wondering if you could make a lockdown/lifting lockdown comparison
ALready did. No relation

>>6308769
interesting, I was wondering if Japans perpetual state of lockdown was the reason for such big inclines on the JP side

>>6303982
yes, coco has killed number related shitflinging because her numbers only need to be brought up to shut numberfagging competitions down and keep the daily numbers from getting too tribal. They can only turn to tribalfagging or zhangfagging and that usually get them bullied, booted, or ignored, it just doesn't create the (You)'s it used to when there was an actual competition. You'll have to be content with your split schizo threads shitflinger anon, the number thread is no longer a safe haven.

>>6308769
>>6308963
I it just youutbe regular view shift. beggining of the eyar is alwasy low on views for most content creators

>>6306770
It is timezone related + Kiara debuff

Last time Gura had stream EU prime time, she couldn't break 15k either.

Update on IRyS sub numbers
>237k
Assuming no sudden surge of subscribers, she more than likely will settle at around 260k. I'm not sure if being in twitter jail might have hampered her from getting even bigger numbers but it's a definite possibility. Then again, she could've sperged out like NijiEN pre-debut which soured me on them for abit. Took me awhile to warm up to Elira and Pomu because of it(the fish is forever on my shitlist though). I'm gonna say at least half of her subs turn out for her debut so around 130k-150K. For reference. Ollie debuted to >50% of her subscribers (60k+) if I remember correctly. The only reason why I'm willing to go as high as 150k is because she's debutting solo. Any anons willing to give me some guesses? (Wish we had a betting pool on here)

>>6309996
I feel safe in assuming that it will be 100k , but i haven't taken into account which holos is going to stream during her timeslot though, not much higher than that too but with a real possibility of falling under long term during the stream when people have caught on to what her deal is.

>>6303368
>She took FULL advantage of the EOP attention she got with that dancing duck meme
This is how you inclined niji. Take note! Not being a fricking elitist and throw away every oppurtunity that come your ways

>>6309996
nay, her debut won`t go beyond 110-120k, there`s not a lot of incentive to catch it live instead of watching the vod later - and the EN crowd is already used to doing that anyways.

>>6305365
The feet video just popped up on my recommended and I feel wholly blessed. Holy shit y'all weren't joking. Her feet are the real deal. I would literally die if it meant preserving her feet. Oh my God do they look mighty delicious.

>>6307054
Yeah choco could be the biggest ASMR chuuba today if only Susan didnt debuff her

>>6303703
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

>>6309996
Will Irys have to endure the one month collab ban that normal gens have to deal with?

>>6310418
It safe to say no EN will stream at that time, holoJP is also unlikely since there's rarely any streaming at that time slot/sunday morning

>>6310799
only if EN2 comes out right after

>>6304297
>subaru mogs everyone coco did except the thing that forever mogged subaru

This is a numberthread faggot.

>>6310799
Good question. Normally I'd say they wouldn't want to give the impression that they're giving her special treatment compared to the others, but then again she is debuting Solo so it's not like she has genmates that she can collab with for the mean time. This is also not taking into account what her streaming schedule will be as a Vsinger. My hope is that Cover at least allows her to collab with EN if they're not going to make a special exception for her when it comes to the collab ban.

>>6310967
what thing? did subaru graduate too to have a fair comparison? This is not the retardation thread.
Shuba can get big with police stuff and coco with meme review; subaru`s costume reveal beat coco`s; while coco`s regular 3D beat subaru`s. Id say they are kinda tied.

>>6310799
They said EN will not divide members into generations like JP, so I assume the collab ban is also not happening.

>>6311153
bigger number beats smaller number. If you call that retarded, you don't belong on this thread, go to the global.

Here's your copium.

>>6310612
itll go past that, EOPs are bad about regular livestreams, but are pretty on point for catching bigger events live. 120k is the floor

>>6311190
All that means is that they don`t call the generations by numbers. In fact, ever since jp3 they are not referred to as numbers either 3-fantasy, 4-force, 5-nepolabo, EN1-myth. Although ID might be different, i dont remember any official names.

>>6304256
Anon... That's a Japanese lesson stream.

>>6311153
>what thing? did subaru graduate too to have a fair comparison? This is not the retardation thread.
>Shuba can get big with police stuff and coco with meme review; subaru`s costume reveal beat coco`s; while coco`s regular 3D beat subaru`s. Id say they are kinda tied.

>>6302910
Ah yes, the shark isn't good with ccv. What's new?

>>6310799
I just hope she stream regularly. Vsingers are known for rarely stream

>>6311153

>>6311498
Kiara debuff is real. Judging by past minecraft streams she'd be 20k if it was solo.

>>6311313
>In fact, ever since jp3 they are not referred to as numbers either
That's just false. Calling them by their number is still the standard. Even Nepolabo, which is the only JP gen out of those that actually uses the name often, call themselves gokisei during normal conversation.

>>6311644
same way all the senpais and maybe the newbies themselves will keep calling them EN2 for simplicity, despite having a different official name.

>>6311642
Maybe it is, but probably it's not her usual time where most of her audience are not sleeping or working. Somehow she has more likes than ccv lmao.

>>6311845
>sankise no kizuna
>not fantasy no kizuna
>t.sankise
Explain this anon

>>6311313
ID1 is area 15

>>6311951
>>6311498
>>6302910
ccv is a sub par method for determining effective numbers in streams

>losing to vshojo

>>6311498
None of the EN's have had good CCV since early December. If you compare their CCV after and before December 4th, there was a huge drop.
Some of the JPs were hit too but only Korone seems to have had as serious and pervasive of a decline.
During the Minecraft summer festival Gura had higher total views than Pekora both during and after the stream despite Pekora having like 20k higher live views and streaming 30 minutes more.

>>6312406
It still does even with that bug cuz that the only metric for live stream. Gura just doesn't play the same, you can see her as a youtuber instead of a streamer and it'll make sense.

>>6313097
twitch raid, and peak was so fast that twitchtracker only caught half of it

>>6312406
I don't understand your argument. Just the other day I was on a stream of a girl that had 110 viewers but her poll had 500+ votes. So I don't understand your logic at all.. You're just a dumb guy

>>6303368
Subaru wants every single Coco viewer. She's pushing hard for that.

>>6313708
His point is that we don't know what the actual live views are.
The drop in December didn't hit everyone equally so comparing live views doesn't make much sense.
One streamer could be missing 5% of their live view count and another 50%.

>>6314011
His point can be that but his image doesn't help his point in any way. In fact it hurts his point.
Also if you think any of these streamers are missing 50% of their live viewers then you are just smoking crack cocaine

>>6312406
people come in and out, you know.

it`s pretty easy to tell it`s you with all the moronic arguments, baitposter.

>>6303368
Subaru seems to be one of the Holos most interested in actively chasing more fame. She mentioned creating her shuba catchphrase to try and make herself more memeable and shes very quick to jump on any new trend, as well as capitalising any time she manages to go viral. She puts in a lot of work and I think she absolutely deserves her current incline because of all the effort shes put in to broaden her appeal.

>>6313799
Coco?

>>6313597
what a joke

went to check and the poll was 20 mins long. Enough for viewer rotation.

>>6314614
..and then there`s ayame

>>6302582
hal had 25k, actually

>>6314444
Gura lost somewhere between 40-45% in December. Her average Minecraft stream went from having 45k+ to around 25k.
While literally 50% might be a stretch, some streamers could be pretty close.

>>6316822
>>6312406
Consider these spikes as the culprit

>>6317966
>>6316822
Got the wrong image :P

>>6314877
some anons were saying it was up for sub 10 min though

>>6318322
nigga you blind? it says 19 mins in the picture and you're still believing the sub 10mins shit?
https://youtu.be/SIp3OFiYSzA?t=8765

Today is one of the worst numbers days for EN in months, so it might be interesting to look at some causes. It's the first time EN has had overlapping streams in forever (Kiara, Ame, Gura, Ina members stream), Gura starting at a weird time compared to usual, and Kiara x Gura not being a very synergistic duo are my guesses. I'll wait for a few more collab before jumping on the "HOLOEN IS RECLINING " train tho. Gura just got 24k playing DBD for the 3rd time in a row just yesterday.
At least this kinda shows that there's a lot of unitychads who watch all the HoloEN girls (so they all suffered from overlapping streams).

>>6318054
Yeah those spikes weren't there prior to December.
>>6318594
I was watching that stream yesterday. The poll might have been up for 19 minutes but the votes exceeded live views in 10 minutes.

>>6318630
This has been a recurring thing with Gura, her fanbase really not like collab or something. A rare one like with amashiro and it has less than a DbD stream, bizarre. With the JP holos, a collab is always a boost, not with Gura

>>6318630
>>6318891
Most tribalfags are from here and btw Gura gets the same 29k minimum likes for today's stream so I guess they just come in and out during 6hrs. Maybe the Kiara debuff is true lmao

>>6318630
or maybe you should find a shithole and stay there forever your shitty numberfagging. All of you deserve be eradicate from existence.

>>6319146
Oh fuck off buddy, where do you think we are?
NUMBERS THREAD.
MC is probably neutral/debuff for Gura because, let's be honest, her motivation in the game is pretty low.

>>6319126
To be honest, as the gateway to vtuber, she is good, but as a streamer, her quality is kind of bad. Someone mentioned the difference between a professional vs amateur the other day and I think Gura is amateur even when it comes to normal stream like this. Other holos might try to learn a game better if they know they are bad at it, so as to provide a better experience for the watchers. Gura doesnt, DMC3, Metroid, MH are games I think she not bother to learn controls, always need to re-learn on streams. It's boring and people lose patience over time and never come back.

>>6319126
Kiara must be fucking seething over this. The only reason she wanted the Gura collab in the first place was to leech some numbers, she was probably thinking 20k at the bare minimum

>>6318857
>votes exceeded live views in 10 minutes.
again, stop with the context shit and provide some facts or proof. you're in the # thread.

>>6319126
Couldn't even reach 15k on Minecraft out all things, the ultimate buff game.

>>6314614
Don't forget that two of the largest EN clip channels, Vtube Tengoku and Sushi, are focused on Subaru. That gives Duck a much larger reach than most other JP holos.

>>6319126
>>6318891
>>6318857
>>6318630
>>6318054
>>6316822
>>6316228
>>6314877
>>6314444
>>6314011
>>6313336
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>>6311951
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>>6319267
>>6319375
>MUHHHH NUMBERSSSSSSSS
>MUHHHH NUMBERSSSSSSSS
>MUHHHH NUMBERSSSSSSSS
Numberfaggings, Your life is shit? did you were horrible on math, did you want to have sex with numbers so badly. Why not just die all of you you are a disgrace of this place. go back to you shithole and never came back. or maybe all of you should die already.

>>6319455
seethe & cope, chumchuck

>>6319517
>seethe & cope REEEEEEEEEEEEE
thats all you have to said?? truly sad life you have then

>>6319423
pekora needs to stream longer or she will lose to twitch/thot streamers.

>>6319455
Speak english

>>6319646
speak something that isn't numbers

>>6318594
didnt see the numbers there, my bad.

>>6319423
It's only a buff game when you are good at it and the server isn't as dead as EN's. The time gura visit JP server got good views, no?

>Come to the number thread
>Complain about numbers
retard

Anyways. Gura's numbers today are probably due to:
- Very early start: Her audience was not going to turn up so early, and are less likely to show up to an ongoing stream. but in any case, when she got to her usual stream time about 1.5k people still showed up, but by then the stream was wrapping up so there was nothing to see.
- Friday: Fridays are usually debuff days in general for most streamers
- Multiple pov collab: the ENs have a LOT of overlap so their numbers are usually low during regular collabs.

>>6319785
She has the second highest I think, after Peko. Not counting Miko later on when viewers migrated to her.
And I agree, it's only a buff if the holo is good at it, which Gura isnt. Dedicated fanbase's a thing but many still want to be entertained after all. If one is bad, or show disinterest/frustration at a game, no doubt people will stop watching altogether.

>>6303368
I'm very happy! It's nice to see certain JP holos like Subaru, Marine, Miko, Korone openly embrace us instead of outright ignoring us like Ayame and Shion. Subaru has put a ton of emphasis on appealing to English viewers and they're paying off in strides.

93k on a normal, average stream already puts her at one of the most viewed live streams in holo history. I do recall her being incredibly unpopular with EOPs at one point, too.

>>6319949
I wonder how many consider that stream a normal one. It looks like a special stream, even if not on the scale of a bday, 3D or concert.

>>6320013
she wasn't playing a game but it's not like it was this incredibly hyped collab or 3D concert or challenge stream. it was just her usual weekly content and she almost hit 100k with it.

She probably did actually, Youtube suppresses a ton of live viewers.

>>6319455
I just want to discuss Gura's numbers and the reason why it's like that.

>>6320045
Well, I would consider Suisei singing stream to be a normal one, not this. Suisei regularly does that with better live view over time. Subaru has not done this on the regular, not weekly iirc.

>>6319455
Why are you Reddit tourists here? It seems there are more of you here than usual

>>6320188
It's summer

>>6320282
Ah, it’s weekend as well

>>6319381
made me wheeze

lol

>>6319455
>goes to Numbers thread
>complains about numbers

>>6320045
Oozaru police is an incredibly hyped collab stream. Subaru did good and gets good numbers regularly, but a lot of people definitely tuned in because they know it'll be a good time.

>>6319793
Hmm anon I thought that Friday being a debuff day has been disproven?
>>6292793
Here the graph anon made the comparison to other days, you can go and check it. Graph anon also put some more graphs for HoloEN and Gura in particular so it should benefit you to read further into the thread.

Today's superchats

>>6302582
>no bahroo or nyanners
>replaced with snuffy and ironmouse
what's going on in the twitch world?

>>6320449
Wait, what? Did the Gura buff actually work lol or it's the song buff

>>6319375
>Other holos might try to learn a game better if they know they are bad at it, so as to provide a better experience for the watchers.
I watch Gura a lot and this is definitely true. Watching her play MHR was quite miserable because Ina and many HoloJPs knew already or learned quickly. Meanwhile, Gura still doesn't know basic CB controls after 12 hours of gameplay and refuses to learn/forgets when streaming. When she played DMC5, many thought it would be an easy enough game for her to button mash, but she struggled a lot with it too. She literally forgot how to use Nero vs Vergil in the final fight of the game despite playing Nero for half the game.
I don't want to tell streamers how to do their jobs, especially when Gura is so successful, but a little bit of effort on actually learning the games she's playing would go a long way to making gameplay more tolerable. It's not a coincedence that games where she does know what she's doing, like DBD and rhythm games, get way higher CCVs than games she's fumbling around and barely getting through.

>>6320928
oh man I had a good laugh when the Tuesday buff turned out to be Gura's stream days.

>>6321002
If she doesnt realize that and tries to put more effort in doing so, it can really be her downfall later on. She might not care about game streams and can do whatever, but if people loses interest over time, they might not want to care about her song releases. And that is something she cares, I think, which can cause them to underperform and she feels terrible, all the while not knowing why when the fix is right here.

>>6321002
Seem like fighting games is not her strong point, maybe she should stick with horror games cuz it's easier to play without remember any mechanic

>>6320965
Twitch peak viewers are a retarded metric thanks to raids, whether a twitch channel makes it to the charts is less depending on the streamer itself and more a question of it gets raided or not

>>6321096
Yeah it was quite an interesting revelation. Kinda shows how big Gura is compared to the others when the HoloEN trend is pretty much following her own trend.

>>6314614
True. And she has enough charm and innocent to turn a cloutchasing into something wholesome that you'll fully support without being cringe. Idk there's just something in her tone of voice or the way she phrashing her sentence that makes just cant hate her. I cringe at most poorfag chuuba who'll just glad to have money to get by but i gladly sent shuba an akasupa when she said she wants to sent her parents on a hawaii trip

>>6303308
>>6304256
>outside her usual steaming timezone
dosen't she have fans all around the world hence the low live views but high vods views? shouldn't her live views suffer less from trying different zones?

>>6321434
She definitely has fans around the world, but she still actively streams starting at 8pm est almost always. I know I wasn't able to watch most of the stream since I wasn't available it il later, but still left a like.

Well we'll see what the vod views look like tomorrow, but one of her poorer streams numberwise in a while.

>>6321434
The thing is this timeslot has always been her lowest, even before this period. Different zones can have drastically different amount of active fans, not like EU = NA when it comes to the same amount, that would be strange.

>>6321134
From what ggg told me, Gura's streaming philosophy is to leave you happy at the end of the stream. She basically wants you to have a good time. Viewership is a good metric of how good gura is maintaining audience attention. So if she sees that fewer people tune in for a game then she knows some people didn't have a good time.

This is why she drops games often. But don't mistake it for her never going to pick it up again. She subtly mentions older streams and teases us that she will play those games again sometime. Her chat reminds it to her and thus a Feedback loop of hype forms around it. I will not be surprised if her next DMC stream would get big numbers.

In short Lex Luthor Gura is in control.

>>6321434
A viewer not expecting a stream at this hour would never guess there is a stream at this hour unless youtube recommends it. Besides its bad time for both Burger and SEA and GMT

>>6321634
>A viewer not expecting a stream at this hour
Kiaras waiting room that was clearly showing that it will be a Gura collab was set up 5 hours before they started.

>>6321634
I highly doubt that her next DMC/Metroid will get big number again, her dedicated ones will come, that's a given; but many already know that she is bad at it, and it wont be entertaining for them to show up.
Regardless of how good intention Gura has, it doesnt matter to the general fans, they want entertainment. One too many "How do I do this again", "I didnt mean to do that" turn people off quickly.
There's a reason why fans stay with the JP holos thro a game more often than Gura, they struggle but at least they learn/know what they are doing.

>>6321434
Day Night when stream started. Burger is working. EU is 2-3 hours from their 'primetime'. JP is sleeping

>>6321825
>EU is 2-3 hours from their 'primetime'.
hm? the stream would have been at 9 pm in germany and 8pm for the british and french thats thats pretty much prime time for those zones. of course it being a friday might influenze it somewhat with people rather going out to drink than watch streams

>>6322248
Oh sorry I was looking at the day cycle and forgot that the higher latitudes have different night day cycle. Me brain thought if no light then that must be 7pm or something. I hate being SEA.

>>6322541
no worries, timezones are always such a fucking pain in the neck

>>6321002
Is she really that bad at games? Miko is pretty terrible too, but she's still really entertaining even while she struggles.

>>6321781
Gura has trouble just going with the flow. Remember her very first stream after her debut? Playing that meme shark game? She had a meltdown over the fact she got lost and played it badly when 99% people were there to see cute shark girl. Gura is strange because she seems to want to prove herself but at the same time she's extremely laid back with how she goes about streaming.

in other news, Moona´s incline is amazing

>>6320960
kanae kuzuha and chima got a bunch of congratulations/good luck SCs for their concert stuff and upcoming things

>>6323319
Starting to think the Nijis backed the wrong horse going full on degeneracy rather than Hololives more measured approach with the "idol" kayfabe.

>>6323185
>Miko is pretty terrible too, but she's still really entertaining even while she struggles.
Well tbf, Gura still gets around Miko's numbers usually, so entertainment isn't as big a deal as some of us here are making it. But sometimes with Gura, you can tell she's not really trying to improve her stream quality. For example, Ame clearly spends a lot of off-stream time researching for ways to innovate her streams like 3D SmolAme or studying Pekora's streams to see how to build PPP for the HoloEN MC server. Aqua has said she intentionally practices certain things in Apex when playing off-stream so she can look cooler doing it on stream. Gura's Minecraft streams are mostly her just wandering around and taking 1 step forwards, 2 steps back for her goals. Her approach to streaming seems to be to just dive in headfirst and she'll learn on the way, which works for some games, but is a bit frustrating for others. It's just an unnecessary debuff because it's not related to her best talents, like comedic timing and coming up with clever quips spontaneously.

>>6320981
>song buff
haha you're funny

>>6323185
She is bad at games but it's part of her charm, it creates a lot of hilarious moments. That's why half of her fanbase who don't enough patience choose to watch her VOD or maybe clips if they didn't have time for it and her clips usually get a shit ton of views.

>>6323479
Starting to think Coco's graduation is actually a good riddance too, after all?

maybe this is old news but Valkyrae nosedived hard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z-h4xVwmeQ

>>6323479
Niji as a whole is stagnating sub growth wise because no one is really trying anything new. Mito is not doing much for Youtube, it's more outside stuff.

>>6323721
this should actually be the consistent numberfag position but most people here are really more tribalist than numberfag

>>6323479
they reached jp market cap

>>6323479
thats one thing Nijisanji could have done differently. A far bigger thing they could have done is trying to catch more of the western market earlier on

>>6323805
Among Us stopped being interesting to a lot of people once you stream it everyday for months. She still gets pretty decent numbers doing Minecraft/GTA RP (~20k so like Gura/Marine/Miko level).
Amouranth gets pretty meh viewer numbers actually, but she just sits in a hot tub for 10+ hours playing just dance to 11k people. You can see her numbers, they're hardly impressive for one of the biggest female streamers on twitch doing the lowest form of streaming content.
https://twitchtracker.com/amouranth

Dexerto is also fucking trash at counting numbers so take their graphs with a giant pinch of salt.

>>6323805
Well, outside of the one vtuber in there, /vt/ wont really care but the vtuber numberfag queen felt really triggered on the newcomer at the top chart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpLTUzJkRBc

>>6323479
Family-friendly contents bring more casual audience and slightly filter hardcore audience.
Niche contents bring more hardcore audience and moderately filter casual audience.

>>6323894
I don't get people thinking Niji being "seiso" will make it more successful. The difference's obviously in Western pandering which not only most Nijis don't bother with but some also actively avoid. Being exclusively "seiso" will just make them hololive 2.0 and makes both Niji and Holo worse off. Hell even Holo built off its reputation by being a subversion of idolshit at first.

>>6323999
Well yeah she's a hot tub tuber who is put in the gaming category for some reason

>>6323982
>just sits in a hot tub for 10+ hours playing just dance to 11k people.
damn, i wonder if she gets bored of having such an easy life

>>6323479
Niji doesn't back degeneracy, they just don't give a crap about what you do as long as it's not illegal. They're getting fucked by failing to penetrate the international market and nips are allergic to subbing/liking/commenting so the algorithm doesn't like them. Going seiso or full idol won't save Niji's slow sub growth, it might even hold them back because they won't be able to do it on the same level as Holo anyways.

>>6320965
Raids, a twitch tradition

>>6323805
Shes still at no.1. 12m q1 8m q2. Followed by either amouranth or pekora.

>>6309241
is this so inaccurate coco's peak was 495k+ before youtube died

bahroo is not a vtuber

>>6321774
There is this kinda problem for me(I don't know if other people have this too) but YT didn't show me that there is a upcoming stream of Gura and Kiara even tho I am sub to both of them, so sometimes In only notice the stream when they are already in the middle of it or just wrapping up at the end of the stream

>>6324091
>Nijis don't bother with but some also actively avoid.
do they hate money?

>>6324785
https://hololive.jetri.co/#/
use this website, surprised there are people here who don't know about it yet. its not perfect since it has trouble with guerilla streams like Polka sometimes does but it helps a lot with keeping track of upcoming streams

>>6324785
I started relying on twitter notifications when I get less time in front of a pc. Maybe that'll help.

>>6319455
Can someone inform this moron that this is the numbers thread, and that if he doesn't like it he should go back to *eddit?

>>6324007
Hololive isn't even family friendly; they just avoid cursing and keep in line with the agreed YouTube and sponsor guidelines, but a lot of their content may contain suggestive themes or outright mature content. I wouldn't allow anyone under 13 to watch Hololive streams and even then, I'd only recommend it to a 15+ audience.
>>6324091
>The difference's obviously in Western pandering which not only most Nijis don't bother with but some also actively avoid.
This is the biggest problem Nijisanji faces going forward. They were given multiple chances to capitalize on the western market, but neither management nor the chuubas themselves took said chances and made something of it. If they had built some good will, I am certain that they could have made their EN branch not an also-ran that competes on the level of higher profile indies and smaller agencies like Wactor. The degenerate content doesn't necessarily help either. Remember that some of them do shit that wouldn't fly in the west at all and it would cause them problems, so you can understand how some of them may be aprehensive of western audiences.

The decline of numberfagging.

>>6323845
It’s kinda the issue a lot with the more popular and old guard of Nijisanji. Their YouTube activities are pretty dead which means less people are getting into the fanbase through them.
They sure as hell are doing well for themselves though.
I think Hololives soft requirement of making them do a minimum amount of streams is what keeps their momentum going.

>>6320045
wouldn't consider oozoru police weekly content yet, as it hasn't been made weekly. Its an event, but I wouldn't consider it a 'special' event like the sports or summer festival or even the mario kart tourney. Its an event, but a minor one, sort of like Miko's best mother skit a while back. 93k is very good.

>>6313708
>>6314477
this was a poll that happened in under ten minutes and you want to tell me that this had more than 50% engagement with an audience that completely turned over in that time frame, keeping in mind people just coming in would be much less likely to know a poll was occurring or what it was about. This is blatant evidence live views are being tampered with and its in line with data from the december change in how counting works

>>6325424
Exactly. They're simply performing for their existing fanbase. Some reach out to outside their watch base but it's not an impactful gain like some Holos in here with massive spikes.

>>6319452
Subaru is literally Sushi's oshi way before he can speak proper english.

>>6320981
Probably Goodbye Sengen. Kiara's had a slight lead on Ina ever since that dropped.

>>6323664
The ENs in general seem to take the attitude that they don't really need to do any offstream planning for what they intend to do onstream. That's why they had so many tech issues when they first started up, they'd never test anything and just try to wing it. Mori and Gura especially are guilty of this.

>>6314877
polls dont get that kind of engagment anon. even if that guys sub 10 min claim is horse shit >>6319420 shows that it passed live viewers in 12 min. 33% engagement (still unreasonably high) would require 36k viewers rotating in and out in that timeframe and, voting, and leaving without seeing the polls results. I'd need more data on viewer retention for Ina to say for certain, but previous number threads lead me to believe that was a strength of hers

>>6325342
>This but unironically. Numbers threads have evolved way past tribalfagging idiots. You laugh but we Do take our numbers 100% seriously. What some anons fail to realize is that once we discover how the trends work. Our compiled data will be absolute. There will not be needless debates anymore. Our numbers will birth a New Order. So it's either you're with us or against us. What will it be?. It doesn't matter because we have already won.

Its been a while since someone posted this charts

>>6325490
>>6325711
a theory i saw a while back was that youtube no longer counts views from people using adblock. so there could be more people taking part in the poll but not being counted as a viewer

>>6325556
I guess that’s the difference between the group mentality Hololive seems to show versus the individualistic nature of Nijisanji.
Their EN branch appears to be trying to replicate the Hololive teamwork model at least.

>>6325711
>>polls dont get that kind of engagment anon
They do on youtube because the poll covers chat until you vote. Anyway Botan gets the same poll engagement so that undermines any argument about the ENs being specifically hurt by some ephemeral youtube "bug"

>>6325802
>Korone only streamed 72 hours in June
doog...
oh nice Suba made it

>>6325342
So I analyzed the data for the average live viewer data of every chuuba in hololive from the numbers you gave a few threads ago. And for fun I wanted to see the Gini Coefficient, wanted to see if certain chuubas are contributing more to the average.
>I finished it but as I was typing my analysis, I had to put so many disclaimers that this is just an analysis on how each chuuba contribute to the hololive average. I'm afraid on how the data would be misinterpreted and would be fuel to attack them. So I'm not posting the graphs, here is the Gini coefficient though 0.33. It was a fun math exercise.

>>6325819
yeah thats one explanation i've seen, and as far as number rrats its not a bad one, but its not definitive without being more familiar with behind the scenes YT info. I get why people aren't partial to VODs as a metric for popularity, but the lack of ambiguity does lend to more utility imo

>>6325822
I wouldn't say Nijisanji is completely against groups, they just aren't marketed largely that way. Hell, Chronoir became a thing just a few months after Kuzuha and Kanae's debut in 2018. There's a shit ton of subunits with names who even perform together and make music, but you need to be familiar with the chuubas to know all the units. Where in Hololive, you know that all the girls who debut in a generation are a group that are 'pushed' together.

With so many Vtubers that stream nothing but Apex, it couldn't even make the top 10 stream games of Quarter 2.

>>6323721
as a numberfag... the position has to be yes, but there is more than numberfagging in enjoyment of Hololive, it just doesn't belong on this thread. Ask me outside of here, and I'll say no.

>>6325940
you misunderstand, I'm not painting EN as the sole victim of this, the December change in algorithm seemed to effect holos more than the average youtuber, and ENs a little more than the average Holo. yesterdays number thread went into the data on this a bit deeper if you wanna give it a look

>>6323982
>10 hours in a hot tub.

Jesus that must be bad for the body.

>>6326112
Japanese viewers vs the rest of the world and they didn't show up... That's crazy.

>>6325802
Nobody posts these because it uses a garbage metric that's heavily biased towards people that stream longer.

>>6326112
who the fuck streams and watches fucking Mobile Legends:Bang Bang?

>>6326258
seaniggers unironically

>>6325819
I think a more current working theory is that your view isn't counted if the window/tab is not active/focused.

>>6325822
>>6326100
like there's a fangame where you make nijisanji subgroups in style of puyo puyo (hence shit ton of combinations), so the rrat that nijis are individualistic are just plain wrong.
https://nijipuyo.dnek.net/

>>6326193
There's no evidence of any bug that is disproportionately harming the numbers of Hololive EN

Gura had SHIT viewership today but the vod is already at 400k+ views
I will never understand. Her fans see her as a regular youtuber instead of a streamer so they just watch her as if she was markiplier or something

>>6326255
explain the second place

>>6326351
Imagine a streamer being treated as a YouTuber in YouTube of all places. Who'd guess that was going to happen?

>>6326255
Isn't it just a watchtime chart? What's garbage about that, it's numbers.

>>6325802
Jun and Pekora is the king and queen of streamers in Japan

>>6326425
shakabros...

>>6326399
She's the only one tho, everyone else in hololive is treated more as a streamer, every holo's vods have a really short lifespan, except for Gura's.

>>6325802
jun jun cha

>>6326445
Gura has a much younger fanbase than other Holos

>>6326445
It just means she has that much of a loyal following.

>>6326351
From what I know here is how her vod works
>10-15k CCV = 200-300k VOD views for a 3hrs stream
And it's being counted after 24hrs, this time it's a 6hrs stream so just double that you will get the VOD views. Maybe it'll be around 500k or 600k after 24hrs

>>6326308
Gundou and Ago look too similar in this when I was playing on my phone and it fucked me up

>>6324589
it is, but with comparison to all other vtuber streams it doesn't really matter it this point.

>>6326489
She has more* young fans, because she has more fans in general.
Her core audience couldn't be that young considering her membership and SC numbers.

>>6326637
>>Her core audience couldn't be that young considering her membership and SC numbers.
Gura superchat numbers are way below par for the number of subscribers and viewers she has. She trails Kiara in her own gen, let alone being able to compete with monsters like Rushia and Marine

>>6325784
thank you

>>6320981
It must be Kiara's birthday buff showing at last, everyone gets one on their day.
I expect Ina to be back above Kiara eventually, or when she finally releases Violent.

>>6326313
see:
>>6259606
>>6259621
its not 100%, nothing to do with live viewers is, but it is indicative

>>6326675
Gura gets Nenetier sc per stream which in itself isn't that bad but considering the difference in live views, subs and the amoun of streams per week .... its sort of depressing

>>6326675
>>6326811
Gura constantly turns off superchats during sc readings which dumpster her earnings because that's usually when most of the scs come in. It's nothing to do with the purchasing power of her fanbase and everything to do with her methodology

>>6326675
>>6326811
You seem to be missing the forest for the trees. Her core audience is the one that's more likely giving her direct funding, so assume that the vast majority of those are adults. The rest are the underage and the poor that may not directly funding her, but will inevitably produce income for her. I'm far more curious as to what the breakdown is for her total revenue between subs, ads, sponsorships and royalties since that's definitely where the real money is

>>6326898
Huh she always turns it off? I don't watch much of her in particular but that might explain why her SC earning is that way when you see at her sub count and average live viewers.

>>6325802
people always posting these on the first day of a month. anyway, numbers!

Giken watched time

>Pekora
>Q1: 8,180,226 hours
>Q2: 8,727,183 hours
>total: 16,907,408 hours

>Kuzuha
>Q1: 9,065,567 hours
>Q2: 6,949,857 hours
>total: 16,015,424 hours

>Difference: Pekora has 891,984 more hours than Kuzuha this year

>overall total from the start of giken.
>Pekora
>36,756,247 overall hours
>Kuzuha
>32,911,294 overall hours

>difference: 3,844,953 hours

source of pic:
https://note.com/mayoi_max/n/n77a71cf6d9da

>>6326675
I think she's pretty good all things considered. Pic related
>>6326898
This is true, she turns them off right before reading them.
>>6326995
I agree, but then again, we'll probably never know that. From what other youtubers/vtubers have said, most of their income comes from sponsorships anyways.

>>6326898
ok Anon then lets use a stream where she didn't do that. one that should be familiar to anyone in the numbers thread
https://playboard.co/en/video/QdG2fpj1ybk
her outfit reveal got 16,5k$ the only EN that did worse than her is Ina. this is one of the most viewed streams in vtubing history

>>6326675
>>6326811
she doesnt give her supers that much attention, hardly any more than a grey sending a normal message. gura's paycheck comes from memberships, of which I believe she is the highest. unique user chat scrapers in member streams puts the minimum members in the 40-50k range, which lines up well with her 12-14k member poll participation. she couldnt care less about supers

>>6326637
>>6326675
Comparing Gura to Marine and Rushia is bad because they cater to different demographics. Rushia is more akin to attract people that watch Kiara. They are more entertaining in their SC reading than what they do in any game except when they interact with people. People that watch Marine are more apt to watch people like Subaru who are more inclined to watch for the zatsu. Gura is more likely to attract the same crowd that watches Pekora. They just want to see how the funny bunny or shark will react to stuff. Pekora gathers a lot of JP to her side while Gura gathers a lot of EOP to hers but age wise they are the same. They have the same performance SC wise with Gura having a faster pace. She has accumulated 693k in less than a year while Pekora has 1.6M in 2 years this coming Jul 17. Marine btw has 1.4M all time SCs.

>>6327012
I am pretty sure she does that because she got bonked by management for not reading/thanking for superchats, so doing that keeps her SCs from piling up and making it impossible for her to catch up.

Ina had it easier since she discouraged SCing in her streams from the very beginning.

>>6327109
This makes no sense. Why would Ina be allowed to say no and not Gura?

>>6326761
Those two are always toe to toe.
Whatever gap the other has built will be crossed within a week or two.

>>6327109
Huh pretty interesting. Although why is Ina able to do it while Gura get bonked doing it tho? IIRC they share the same manager right?

>>6327243
no actually, pretty sure ina is the only person managed by the person the enma persona is a attributed to. Its a rrat, but I'm pretty sure Gura has a separate set of rules applied to her compared to her genmates either because of her visibility or the fact that management doesnt trust her.

>>6327243
According to Kiara, Mori and Ina have different managers, with Gura, Ame and herself sharing one. Dunno if this info is outdated or not.

>>6327243
No, Ina manager is Enma, Ame, Gura and Kiara share the same manager named Jenma.

>>6327159
>Why would Ina be allowed to say no and not Gura?
>>6327243
>Although why is Ina able to do it while Gura get bonked doing it tho?
I don’t believe “management bonked Gura for not reading” and would assume it’s more her peers (Kiara, Ina) playfully nudging her into doing so because “people were talking”.

With that said if it’s true and Ina gets a pass there is an easy reason:
>Gura is a full time professional streamer now
>Ina is still a professional illustrator that happens to stream on the side
The time constraints for Ina are much bigger than for Gura, which most certainly is doing nothing on the side and has one and only one professional responsibility right now: to entertain her audience

>>6327353
>>6327354
being Guras manager has to be a nightmare. you have a golden goose in your hands but its to lazy to lay any eggs and is ruining her own golden feathers

Good numbers across the board. What did Aki announce?

>>6327595
think it was just new merch
https://hololive.booth.pm/items/3088504

>>6327109
It's not a management thing, it's her own personal preference because she usually likes to have two to three hour streams with stuff scheduled afterwards and turning them off makes it such that she can read all of them withoutbthe stream stretching into overtime

>>6327595
Nene sounds great in that Ai Dee vid with Reine. I love it.

>>6327697
>veibae
What happened? Hiatus?

Shien and Mashiro's 3D debut tonight. Numbers?

imo Shien would get around 10-25k while Mashiro's could break 100k. If the guy gets a high number for superchats around 100k+ when he isn't all that popular compared to Ibrahim and Tomoe, I'll call Sus that Ichikara is distributing money to their employees to superchat them so that they could have numbers that could appeal to their investors. I don't get their whole superchat culture thing, they get high numbers even when most of their audience are tourists? Coco had around 4-9k for normal streams, but her asacoco and meme review cultivated enough audience to earn that high of a number in superchats. The same as the top 5 superchats for Holo. I don't know what they did from their past streams to earn 100k+ for a 3D debut.

>>6327774
prolly summer holiday.

>>6327853
meds

Shien 3D in 3 hours. Number predictions? He's got 741 dollars SC in the waiting room. He got 2,337 dollars in his 3D announcement stream.
Roberu's total SC for his 3D was 12,550.
Live viewer numbers wise, Shien is in the middle of Holostars while Roberu is at the top.

>>6327853
I've already had this conversation, it is impossible to coordinate thousands of accounts to send superchats for a single stream due to the upper limit of SC plus that would be sussed out already at this point and there have been dozens and dozens of 3D debuts, many reaching above 1 million yen. If this was Twitch I would suspect it more since you can easilly drop thousands of dollars one at a time, anonymously even.
Nijisanji fans don't usually donate during regular streams like Hololive fans do, due to SC usually being off, wanting to support otherwise via voicepacks/merch, or waiting for special events like 3D or concerts.
>tourists
I'll elaborate a bit on this. Nijisanji is fucking huge. If someone is a gachi for 1 person they'll still show up to the 3D of someone who may be a friend of their oshi, or an interesting chuuba who may do something cool. Mashiro falls under both those categories. People may not regularly watch them but if you know Nijisanji you have definitely heard of him. He streams weird horror shit. His 3D will be a spectacle. People want to watch that and support it.

>>6327946
around 10k viewers and lets go with 8k sc.
Shien is a weird one when it comes to views and sc. some streams get fuck all while ither easily go into 1k of both

>>6327946
I'd say 20k-30k range. Hope it'll go more than that

>>6325802
The ultimate Japanese couple
Starring Junchad, who dabs on Nijikeks. has Kanae by the balls too.

And Pekora, the Numberprime, whom once looked up to Niji's. but after getting rejected, she sought POWER. and successfully obtained it. she now looks at Nijikeks as mere mortals.

>>6327697
Jesus christ, Cover really needs to expand to twitch, they can capture it 100%

Pakora caught up to Korone for the top JP spot.
Gura was a godsend in that matter tho because it took all the pressure away from holding that spot.

>>6328563
might need some work

>>6328046
I wouldn't have been suspicious if there's a low and a high for their 3D debuts but there's like 3 3D debuts in succession with superchats of over 100k when past livers never touched that much.

>>6328684
>Brazilian discount counterfeit Korone
Has science gone too far?

>>6328684
Kek

>>6327697
They really do riding on that Hololive fame because they knew Hololive wouldn't touch twitch

Gura getting 13k while playing fucking minecraft is laughable, she is the most popular vtuber playing the most popular game AND it was also collab and only got that, what a weird world vtubing is

>>6329055
ogey

>>6329075
don't get mad at me for stating the truth chumbud, i'm not your enemy

>>6329055
Kiara debuff

>>6329055
wouldnt be surprised if her subs are botted

>>6329098
Eh... not that anon but I already accepted that Gura's not good with CCV, there nothing to defend it anyway when she still doing good with VOD and other numbers.

>>6328593
Jesus Christ, you'd think Gura would slow down once she hit 3 mil, but the Shark is still zooming

>>6329437
Yet her viewership is steadily declining

>>6329437
"For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him." - Jesus

>>6328974
those 3 are probably just a coincidence
Fuwa and Ibrahim are quite popular (Ib has lots of rich fans https://youtu.be/XAdy-s23t_E)) and their fans have waited for 3D since NijiFes in February.
I don't watch Tomoe but according to anons she has an older (richer) fanbase too and crossick has lots of Chinese fans

>ITT: low grade shitposting
Why is it always around these hours?

>>6329956
Just before the numbers for the JP side are done, and prime SEAnigger time. What do you think is the reason why?

>>6329467
>Yet her viewership is steadily declining
No it's not. Her viewership is actually growing (at the same pace of the company)
>pic related
Her trends for Q2 2021 until now compared with the EN+ID+JP.

You need new material, you're using 6 months old memes at very least

>>6327077
Did she read SCs in her outfit reveal?

Gura's minecraft low numbers are pretty easy to explain: euro timezone, Kiara debuff, and pixel art is boring.
She started at 9k and capped at 14k which is similar to her RDR2 stream she did for the europoors. Kiara was front and center for that collab there was no avoiding her. People most likely tuned in heard the chicken voice, saw them building pixel art and left (I know because its what I did).

>>6330072
It's pretty insane that 10k is "below average" now for holo. It used to be the benchmark for who is doing well.

>>6330086
lol She never read the SC's for her bathtub stream, DMC 3 endurance stream, outfit reveal, birthday celebration streams (collab,cake and birthday). It would be easier to list the SC's she has read since 95% of the time SC's end up going to the void.

>>6327853
Shien is tonight?
What time?

>>6330115
Coco graduation numbers are still inflating the 14 days average but yeah, last day Hololive saw a day with the average below 7k was May 18.

>>6330183
In about an hour

We got the numbers now for Suisei's new single.
https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/dis/d/2021-07-09/
I'm surprised Tenkyuu is actually the one selling better compared to the new single. IIRC Bluerose sold more than Comet so this wasn't what I expected.

On Oricon digital downloads daily chart today: Suisei's new single Kakero is 4th, it's "b-side" Tenkyuu is 3rd with 2,174 units sold while BTS's new single Permission to Dance takes the first spot with 18,232 units sold reminding everyone what actual popularity looks like. Since I estimated Bluerose/Comet sales at around 2,000 on the first day, it's interesting to have concrete numbers that match it for the next single. It's also interesting that the numbers match despite Kakero's MV being late and the single thus lacking a Youtube video on her channel and also iTunes being the sole retailer for the first day. I guess this represents the number of die-hard JP Hoshiyomi who actively follow Suisei and are ready to dish out cash at the first opportunity. Although it does seem that some new people were brought along by the new release, since Suisei's entire discography charted on iTunes Top 200 by the end of the day.

Tenkyuu's 8.6M views (third most viewed video on Suisei's channel) seem to have made it do better than Comet with it's 3.6M views (sixth). It's kind of amusing to see that Tenkyuu did better than the new release whereas Comet did worse. Tenkyuu's instrumental, which is from the actual b-side, also hovered around iTunes Top 200 until evening whereas Kakero instrumental never made it to the chart.

WHY NOBODY IS WASTCHING 774 3D????????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6ZngwDvmGM

>>6330444
I am now, thanks for reminding me they exist.

>>6330444
holochads laugh at nijinigger numbers, and then we have this...
sad, just sad

>>6330158
>It would be easier to list the SC's she has read since 95% of the time SC's end up going to the void.
As they should be. Superchat reading streams are just crappy zatsudans with distractions and it's unlikely for the person who superchatted to hear her "thank you" 2 weeks after. Imo, either speedrun them at the end of the stream or never read them like Suisei. In the context of numbers, they're also number killers. Do NijiJPs even read superchats?

>>6330435
>>6330415
Suisei gated by BTS and Yoasabi again... At least it's not Yonezu this time. Also, Tenkyuu is one of Suisei's most popular songs so people have been waiting for a chance to buy it for a long time. It's usually rare for vtuber originals to even make the daily top 10 right?

>>6330444
Watching now. Thanks.

>>6330530
If you think this is sad, look up what Re:ACT's numbers are like. It's a miracle when those girls break 1000, eventho some of them have been vtubing for years.

>>6330653
Leona doing fine, cant say the same about others.

>>6327946
This is perhaps a tricky one to predict. On one hand, he's debuting during JP primetime on a weekend whereas Roberu had to debut on a weekday (when there's less people who are free) so Shien is technically guaranteed to get a good thousand of people to watch him tonight. On the other, he's middle of the pack in terms of popularity unlike Rikka, Roberu, and now Astel (who will definitely surpass him in subs in a few days) who are more known than him in the vtubing sphere.
Not sure about SC but I predict he'll get around 10k viewers for tonight. Perhaps ~15k if he manages to rope more viewers in with whatever the hell he's got planned.

>>6330444
Gotta say this must be some "cultural mismatch" because these "flowerstands" truly look like the things given for "funeral wakes" when people die in the multiple countries I lived.

Nips use that for day to day celebrations too?

>>6330609
Hmm actually not really. I only follow Holo ori songs but they're usually well within daily top 10 on first day. The hard one is securing a spot in weekly top 20.

huh

>>6330547
Nijifans always brag that Nijis sometimes doesn't turn SC on

>>6330072
Jesus gura

>>6326258
seethe

>>6330729
Now that you mention it, yeah, those flowerstands really feel like things you can only in funerals but if I go and reference JP, based from the animes I watched, I remember seeing them only on school graduations and the likes

>>6330764
True. I hope Tenkyuu at least will last for a week. It'll really boost suisei's growth

The Aki x Mel sub curve is definite evidence that "saviourfagging" doesn't pay off in the long term.
Aki is not very far from where she would have been regardless of that sub jump when that famous clip dropped.
It made for a nice gesture and an emotional moment but it didn't address the underlying issue that is
>FUCKING NOTHING
Aki doesn't need more subs if it wouldn't become part of her audience or even remotely interested in whatever she does.
What she needed back then was emotional counseling to, like Choco and Roboco, just do her thing and be happy with it.

>>6330444
HoneyTrap is pure sex

>>6330959
Didn't know this was in the works did they advertise this through other channels and collabs?

>>6330444
>774 3D
>its honey strap only
sorry the only 774 i like to watch is Kuku

>>6304256
>It's not the chicken.
get the fuck back to your general, retarded kfp

>>6330951
I dont know why Aki's viewer count isn't rising is she trying anything new? Mel meanwhile has an excuse that she streams less often, 61 streams in Q2.

>>6330812
Kenmochi. Barely turn on superchats, doesn't acknowledge when they pop up on screen, never do superchat readinngs. Though he does quite a bit of offline events, merchs, and recently started selling Blu-ray/self-designed goods.

Mayuzumi, doesn't turn on superchats, not even recently on his return/outfit reveal stream. Took out 1M yen out of pocket for a random janken tourney. Donated 10M yen to orphanages.

>>6330951
That clip/moment was her enlightment anon-kun, it wasnt suppose to be a saviorfag moment. Many just misinterpreted it. She was just sharing about how she kinda hit a wall and not sure what she with where she want to go with her vtubing stuff. Welp in the end she just decided to do whatever she comfortable with and not push herself to hard. She was only asking rosentai to understand and keep being with her on the journey together.

>>6331130
>Mayuzumi
itsn't that the rich dude who just does vtubing for the lols?