/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>63393030
can't wait for this virtue signaling faggot to be outed as an actual child predator, just like the others

>>63393030
>this is supposed to be a yab
Do jurtards and cucksagi really?

>>63393030
People who talk like this have almost always done something they'd be cancelled for by the group their pandering to.

they really picked these guys off the street

>>63393110
will it happen in, dare I say it
two more weeks

Fictional characters are just fiction god damn it, they don't have soul or feeling. You can just kill them rape them or do- imagine anything you want

>>63393313
well, the woke -> child predator pipeline is pretty well established by this point.
it has been happening comprehensively

>>63393110
And then have nothing happen to him, like Ui after we found out she raped a 9 year old girl?

fuck this stupid bullshit nobody cares about here's the important part of the vod
https://www.youtube.com/live/FGNbm3KGt7w?si=INBNG5WrxCTD8Z42&t=1891

It's amazing the men in this branch make lefty anime women look based in comparison.

>>63393030
That's Crimson Ruze? I thought his model would be more red than that, what the fuck.

>>63393030
I'm gunna go ahead and say this faggot is the worse hire ever made by homostars, and that's saying a lot

>>63393658
yes just two more weeks it'll happen for sure, anon

>>63393673
She raped herself?

the screenshot makes me want to play wow again

https://cover-corp.com/report
Be the change you want to see etc.

>>63393030
>do you understand?
no.
Would the devs need to write in a scene where the character gives a thumbs up to sex? Or does it need to be a written agreement from the original creator?
Are we implying which characters are "having a say" and which a aren't. What if someone doesn't agree that a character is implying they're ok with being sexualised? Do we need to form a committee for every character that ok or not ok to draw having sex?

>>63393030
Where's the lie though?

>>63393030
Not far to pull a Finana...great, hope he will graduate in less than 6 months

>>63393030
I didn't consent for another homo gen.

>>63393030
Holy fucking based.

>>63393673
Qrd?

>>63393030
>ask drawing for consent
>it doesn't answer because it's a piece of paper
Bitch please, you didn't ask the tree before you cut it down why the fuck should I ask its desecrated corpse permission to masturbate to it?

>>63393900
The real answer is that the purpose of vague nonsense moralizing like this is to be able to draw the line right behind someone they don't like and say they crossed it.

>>63393900
I think the idea is that the character should knowingly flaunt what they've got. They've got to be a smug brat, aware of their effect on others. A clumsy idiot who just trips and her clothes fall off, or has to wear almost nothing because she 'breathes through her skin' or because bikini armor is a thing in her setting doesn't have the same agency, and is being molested by the narrative.
...Look, I don't know, man. I'm trying my best to make sense of it, but that's the best I've got.

"sexualization of characters who dont have a say in it"
what

>anons still pretending they don't know he means consent and sexualization in the context of the story itself and not in real life
>anons still pretending he's not just expressing what he personally does and does not enjoy in media, and is instead insulting everyone else who does not think this way
How long are you going to pretend, anyway

The funny thing is as much as everyone bitches and shits their pants about the new gen your oshi is more likely to graduate before any of the fags

>>63394193
You might be autistic if you can't see such obvious bait threads and posts.

>>63394265
I can see, which is why I'm saying they're pretending

>>63394186
Duplicitous wordplay; what he means is
>I hate [sample] thus it must stop now
Repackaging it makes it sound more desirable.

>>63393658
Wow, you actually believe this, don't you? Like it's not just a funny meme and way to own the wokescolds for you. I'm sorry man, but your case of internet poisoning is terminal. It's actually over for you.

>>63394325
Yeah, I'm one of those and I think you're retarded for thinking there's anything wrong with what he said.
I've fapped to my fare share of loli, doesn't mean I can't respect a bro who isn't into that. Stop making shit up in your mind, Ruze is just a totally vanilla guy who's trying to uphold an idol image. There is no crusade against anyone or anything here, just a "lolis? nah, miss me with that shit".
He wouldn't go off on you if you said "gay porn? nah, miss me with that shit", so you're the faggot here in my book.

>non binary
Wtf android girls are real now?

>>63394374
>just a funny meme and way to own the wokescolds fo-ACK!!!
https://archive.md/U23XK

>>63394488
well, yeah

>>63393030
>non-binary.
>not even the first time someone in this branch uses it.
And then homobeggars seethe, cry and "no u" when they're called the tranny branch.

>>63393030
Seriously, what happened to Cover's hiring team? They used to be good, what the fuck went so wrong?

>>63393110
>>63393030
>>63393301
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>>63393740
>>63393757
>>63393788
>>63393900
>>63393970
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>>63394049
>>63394186
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>>63394544
Projection

>>63394586
All me baby

>>63393030
>while playing wow
It writes itself

>>63394586
>you're projecting that Crimson hardly has any red on his model from the shoulders up
what did he mean by this

Just posting to say that my bro Ruze did nothing wrong and the few retards among you who unironically got agitated by instigators posting this boatload of nothing should take a long and hard look into a mirror.
And I say this as someone who appreciates loli.

>>63394546
There's very obviously a pro-stars agenda for whatever reason. It's not like the past StarsEN gens did well

Hardly any different than when Shiori pushed for inclusion in games because diversity is good.

>>63394731
ok ruze

>>63394731
Are you saying he didn't say what's in the pic?

>>63394461
dont care, suicide

>>63393030
fictional characters don't have a say in anything... they're not sentient... is this guy unironically mentally handicapped?

>>63394849
Twitter brainrot, pls andastand.

>>63394790
>I don't like cuckold NTR scat fetish porn
(You): "Oh my god, Ruze hates me personally and wants to make all of my porn that I fap 34 hours per day to illegal! We need to lynch him immediately!"

>>63394731
He thinks you are a fuckin pedo.

>>63394849
You know what he means. Don't be a pedo.

>>63394107
Yeah this is what it boils down to. Look at Sayu and how they tried to cancel her for the shota stuff even though it's all over Niji. And nothing she said was outside of the norms established by the company itself

>>63394751
That was shit too

>>63393030
Check his hard drive

>>63394884
Ok so he did

>>63394262
So far there have been two times as many graduations in StarsEN than in HoloEN...so I'm not sure your math adds up there pardner. And rumors are another one is going to graduate soon.

>>63394849
>non-binary people do that
Yes, he’s severely retarded.

>>63393030
The retard also asks his hands for permission before a wank

>>63394049
>>63393900
>>63394849
Trying to find logic in a leftists beliefs is just a waste of time. None of them believe this shit. The left is made up of mentally ill women and the men who want to fuck them. The former only believe things if they feel good and validate their feelings, the latter are just lying to get laid.

This is why virtue signalling exists. You gain status in leftist circles by pretending to believe in their values the most. They'll go in circles finding the most retarded shit to get offended by because that elevates their status. Because they think the more radical left you are the more moral you are. The end result is them saying psychotic out of this world shit like "You need to get your fictional waifu to sign a consent form before you fap to them"

>>63394530
Kek, so it's only a matter of time.

>>63394193
>anons still pretending he's talking politized manner
>anon is a SEA who does not understand how Americans slip in their politics.

>>63394546
They are only good at hiring girls. They have no idea what makes a good male vtuber yet because there hasn't been any.

>>63393030
This faggot is the reason we got that shitty saints row game and why the hero for the new fable game looks like a disgusting abomination. Homos were a mistake.

>they're still pretending

>>63394849
He's just the average liberal woketard who can't go 30 seconds while speaking without virtue signaling for good boy reddit points.

>>63394731
ANYBODY who does this "no sexualizing pretend people" is a liberal faggot
He wasn't even talking about Loli
Read the OP pic, he's talking about in general

He literally said you can be a whore irl if its "empowering" but don't whore out the FICTIONAL CHARACTER
That's a retarded opinion no matter how you slice it

>>63394978
He said "I don't like the sexualization of characters who don't have a say in it".
That's literally what he said. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. You are a fucking screeching retard (or pretending to be one), and I am so done with you. Keep seeting by yourself, in all your glorious retardation, I've had enough of this shit.

rent fucking free

>mfw looking at this shit thread and all the mfers bumping it

>>63395020
This is unfortunately true. Didn't used to be like this...

>>63393030
1 week in and we already had one retard pour oil on a fire with the holotori thing and.now.we have this retard straight up pushing retarded American politics. I can't believe they somehow managed to hire people worse tha vesper.
Also check his hard drive.

>>63395117
Characters never have a say in it. They're not real anon. Show me on the teddy bear where Haruhi touched you...

>>63395064
>>63395155
>>63395162
I don’t understand why you bother leaving the /FAGS/ ghetto if you always end up posting the same fruitless quips.

>>63395117
He's a fucking retard and so are you.
You're the kind of deranged scum that gatekeeping is supposed to keep out.

>>63395171
You guys should have been nicer to the old man. Now the "down for the cause" side won and is running shit over there

>>63394983
whomst

>>63395117
Fuck next time I draw 2B getting full-nelson'd I better ask her if she's okay with it

>>63395064
>ignoring all the other stupid blatant twitterfag shit and obvious red flags from him in that very stream just so you can keep the narrative that he’s totally not a moral crusader you guys

ah, got it
so you're not gonna stop pretending
have fun yelling at clouds

>>63395263
I guess it’s another path to the gigayab that evaporates their branch.

>>63395280
Does it hurt being too stupid you can't understand what the fag is saying?

Kek, /mans/ fag seething hard.

>>63395162
>>63395155
>>63395064
You know his contract forbids him from saying shit like this right?
None of the girls are stupid enough to do it. They never even acknowledged the fucking "bodytype 1 or 2" shit in modern games.

>>63395270
The Clown homo is going to join the Orc and NotMagni

>>63395020
>>63395082
>>63395096
You can criticize him for talking about his braindead political belief, but don't come in here just as braindead as he was.
Is it a competition, or something, to see who can be the most braindead? Anyone who unironically believes that the left and right exist have never had a thought in their life. It's literal one dimensional.
You can be a cringe vtuber fan, but this level of cringe is just pathetic.
Anyway, death to holostars. Are they just too dumb or something. How is anyone this stupid?

>>63394849
Unironically more than us

Might be Ruze himself.

>>63394530
>DrPizza
can't make this shit up

>>63394374
it is acutely the case >>63394530
you will try to downplay it but in every instance here a child has been harmed, no amount of name calling and scizo logic can change the fact that you are enabling actual pedofiles to satisfy you retarded sense of justice.

>>63395117
yeah taking consent from things that literally dont exist very logical.

>>63394262
I don't know why you sisters still tempt fate like this after the entire "vesper and magni will come back and will never graduate" thing. It's like you WANT to get grudgeposted. Dinofag already had 1 stream privated and multiple tweets deleted. This guy is tempting fate by borderline talking politics onstream.
If they keep this up they won't last long. Remember that cover fired their fucking golden goose when she fucked up. These guys aren't printing money like she was.

>>63394530
>spam the same few cases until people think it's the norm
Can't say it isn't working

Not even a holofan but I love shitting on the homos with them, please keep being retarded and get fired in six months

>>63396077
did you get the consent of the guy in the art?
you cant just click peoples photos when they are about to sleep get his permission.

Deflection from the Vox yab, its so obvious

>>63396075
>60 documented cases
>the doc hasn't been updated in years
>not the norm
Sure. Now, show us the cases when loli enjoyers were outed as actual child groomers. I'll wait.

>itt snowflakes getting triggered because they're finally witnessing a real man who

>>63396241
Changing tactics now, sis?

>>63394488
Soviet android girls, using trinary! Fucking crazy!
All you need is some bad tolerances and they get their 1s and 2s crossed up and they start crushing people's heads with their thighs!

>>63393030
>men do that
>women do that
>non-binary people do that

>>63394137
maybe he just meant non-vanilla stuff? it fit with his next words

>>63393030
this mf is actually saying you need to get consent from a fictional character and expects this opinion to be respected...

How can a drawing have a say in anything? Its a drawing. Is this guy retarded?

>>63393030
This kinda feels like the Ina plap thing all over again.

>>63393143
idk if yab is the word i'd use, but it's a really weird stance to take and a little tone deaf considering the corpo he works for. It'd be a weird stance for anyone to take, but someone associated with cover taking this stance is retarded

>>63393030
>"non-binary people do that"
>"the characters don't have a say in it"
>"it's not cool to make them an object"
I'm not even gonna comment on my first quote because my desperation for this company is already visible enough, but his point doesn't even make fucking sense. Of course the characters don't have a say in it, they're not real, and even though I can understand empathy for a fictional character, let's not start acting as if they were sentient or we might as well just call life a big Blade Runner adaptation.
Even the third quote makes no sense, because objectifying characters is one of their only purposes, they're created so that we get attached to the piece of media they're from. Ask him about figurines and he'll probably go on a rant about how they're a symbol of slavery at this point.

>NOOOO HE’S A SEXPEST THAT ONLY JOINED TO COLLABCHASE MY WIFUS
>NOOOO HE’S A SERIOUS BROTUBER BRINGING IN NORMIE MORALFAGS
what’s next

>>63396608
It's for the author to decide, not this faggot. This is why male vtuber is a menace, their wokeness is beyond belief

>>63396658
He just says he does not want people to normalize the concept of fucking children. he doesn't want that concept and idea to be "okay" in any context. fictional or not. Because P*d*philia is disguting and should never be a thing people shrug off like they do in japan.

>>63396668
>NOOOO HE'S ATTRACTING DRAMAFAGS BY GETTING HIS BRAINS SPLATTERED ACROSS THE PAVEMENT

>>63396741
>What people beat their meat to in the privacy of their own homes is MY business and I should get the final say on if it's okay or not

>>63396668
since when does normie = brotuber? can be a normie and a sexpest simultaneously, those are not mutually exclusive

This is basically just an excuse to make a /pol/ thread on /vt/.

You thought HE was bad.
You thought HE was the habitual line stepper.

>>63396741
he does know that the biggest english hololive talent is a loli and has dealt with accusations like this before right? is he retarded?

>>63396816
>I accept my vtubing hobby to be corrupted by western political bullshit because I don't like when /pol/ack chubba watchers alert others to potential corruption.

>>63396741
They're not children anon, they don't exist. Loli porn isn't the finest of foods for me either, but that argument makes no sense. As long as children aren't harmed in the way, I don't think that anyone should give a fuck.
Also, he spoke about characters in general, not just lolis. I've been on the internet long enough to see that point of view he has before, and it still is as retarded as always.

>>63396825
for what it's worth, I hate the homos but i genuinly think they are just retarded, tempoop was exactly the same, they were clearly kept on a tighter leash then their senpai, but they still slipped up a few times at the start, like hakka spamming kaela's chat, or flayon chatting in ina's stream, but once they learned how shit works, they stayed in their lane for the most part

>>63396825
Tbh he didn't do anything wrong
Him and Magni were more /here/ than any of the new guys and probably got screwed during contract renewal.

>>63396825
>>63396874 (me)
just to clarify, I think vesper did that shit intentionally, he made that pretty clear, i'm referring to the rest of the homos, they seem to understand that collabing with the girls will not boost their viewership at all and will only bring hate to them

>>63395779
lmao no one is going to get punished, holostars are Yagoo's golden goose

>>63395117
So, how exactly do you ask a fictional character for consent to sexualise them?

>>63396884
Tbh you're obviously a homobeggar and you're not tricking anyone

>>63396816
Its like when loli kami song was spammed.

>>63396919
>golden goose
>homos
Okay, that got a chuckle out of me, have a (You).

>>63396919
I think the word you're looking for is golden child, a "golden goose" lays golden eggs, and therefore the implication is that a "golden goose" is super successful and profitable... which definitely does not describe holostars.
therefore if anything, hololive is the golden goose

>>63396741
He’s talking about sexualization as a whole though, he brings up Bayonetta as an example

>>63396712
The author doesn't get to decide either. I can sexualise the fucking very hungry catepillar in my head and there's jackshit anybody can do about it.

>>63396741
Except that's not what he said at all

If you want to talk about loli, then say loli

>>63394374
woke simply means child predator, anon. no one wanted it to be that way. it just turned out to be that way.

>>63394374
I don't argue retarded ass culture war politik with anonymous faggots online anymore, but I remember a few years ago an "enlightened centrist"™ made up a list of all the hardcore consent loving male feminists who were outed as rapists or child molesters. It was pretty big, so yes the pipeline is real. I know you can't help yourself from gas lighting people every moment of your life tho.

>>63394107
This guy gets it.

>>63395436
If you have a copy of his contract please share

>>63396658
for the second and third point, I think he's talking more to the scenario like non-vanilla stuff? at least that how I read it. Like he's fine with fanservice but not when the characters are being forced into it like maybe being striped down after being defeated or something.

>>63396992
He is totaly mentaly ill, if him saying non-binary wasn't enought of a proof of that already. Really impresive how male vtuber quality is always this low and then people wonder why stars never rise up.

>>63393030
Remember that this guy antis Kyle Rittenhouse

>>63394374
Anon there is a legit explication to that, it's litteraly idiots who already have done criminal act, who are eaten by guilt but aren't couragous enought to surend themselves who litteraly project and try to condamn other people as a mean to redemn themselves. That why so many of them end up in jail because at some point they attract enought attention or finaly grow a pair of balls.
Funny thing too a good chunck of loli consumer are the victims themselves.

Lmao imagine asking fictional characters for consent before you sexualize them. Do I have to wait and go to Chris Chan’s Toon Town after the dimensional merge and have them sign a consent form. This is twitter faggot thinking and logic. Fictional characters are objects made to be objectified.

>>63397373
Because he shot a fellow pedophile

>>63397334
The vague line of what is "empowering" is deliberately vague so that people can weaponize it against those they dislike. The fact that we even have to debate about what he meant is proof of it.

>>63397473
kek

>>63393030
I thought Holo had a no politics rule? Or was that just common sense every holo been using up till now?

>>63397488
No debate needed on what he meant. Anyone defending or pushing this kind of tumblr/X speak is a disingenuous, shady little faggot who isn’t worth having around or listening to.

>>63397334
I don't think so. In that case, he'd just say that he dislikes non-vanilla stuff, which is fine. Not like I like rape porn either.
But here, he insists on the concept of sexualisation, not sex. He's saying like "people shouldn't be allowed to sexualise characters who don't have a say in it, and who don't seemingly want it", which actively makes no fucking sense when you think about it for more than a couple seconds.

>>63397529
These kinds of retards delude themselves into thinking that blatant political speech is no longer political, but an obvious truth or rightness in the world.

>>63393030
Oh man you can tell he riled up the fujos trying to draw him taking it up the ass via Rex or the boring dude from tempus lol

>>63393030
put the mask back on

>>63395545
Technically it's two dimensional, and the Left - Right paradigm is just the framework we use in American politics to delineate different ideological movements which originally had roots in the French republican revolution. Most people fall somewhere within the spectrum and whining about "muh division" and "muh simplistic dichotomy" need to get a grip. You're literally saying nothing of substance nor contribute anything of value other than ignoring the differences groups of people have by acting like your above the public discourse.

>>63396816
Blame HomoEN for not having the basic professionalism that every other HoloPro branch does to not talk about politics. Even if a few may believe similar things privately, they at least have the common sense to know that bringing it up on stream is a bad idea.

>>63397656
Let him live in his head where his idealized form of government and political sphere lives. He’s above participating in the rat race of real life.

>>63397709
Saying no to loli is not politics. Grow up.

>>63397591
He’s either genuinely retarded or tries too hard to find something to be upset with. I don’t know how old he is, but I never asked Lara Croft for permission to crank it to her back in her hayday.

I thought we finally had our brotuber, but this plus needlessly adding in non binary shit all the time is fucking obnoxious. Guess that's the audience you have to pander to as a holostar. I'll just watch axel instead, he's a bro

>>63397772
Purposefully obtuse women hands typed this.

>>63397772
You expect me to believe that after
>non-binary people
especially in proximity to the bluefag and muscles mcgee?

>>63397772
Asking fictional characters for consent is retarded, grow up

>>63397656
This is a good point in that it beins to understand that the "left" and "right" are different branches of the same vine rather than true opposites, they are both derived from Enlightenment philosophy and view it through different perspectives. People like myself that reject Enlightenment philosophy and believe that its basic assumptions about humanity are fundamentally wrong would be neither "left" nor "right" but something else that's entirely separate from either of them.

>>63397529
You're only allowed to break the rules if you're one of the boys

>>63397772
>images on paper are humans and deserve human rights

huh?

>>63397772
Except he made tweets in 2021 hating on Kyle Rittenhouse

>>63393030
Why all male vtubers are always twitch/Twitter woketards?
And with shit like this cover wants us to support the homos...

>>63393030
Is he vegan?

>>63396816
Go back and neck yourself redditard

>>63397911
haha holy shit I only just saw this. Why the fuck is cover hiring these types of people. Actual pedophile should've executed a kid in the streets, but making sexy drawings is too far. What a retard

>>63397952
Not a very big pool of ‘talent’ to choose from, it seems. They are either already like that or turn into fags by osmosis to a predominantly female (at best) audience.

>>63393030
this is the type of shit Vtweeters say. did management hire these retards to sabotage shit? this is someone an anti would hire

Over/under on months until the grooming allegations come out?

>>63393030
proof that standards for Holostars are way lower than Hololive’s

>>63393030
Cringe homofaggot

>>63395779
And currently dinofag named his stream "just me playing with the kids". You cannot make this shit up.

>>63393030
>Consent is cool and necessary
It's hotter without.

>>63398338
AAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NOT THE DRAWING

What's the problem? Women like this kind of attitude.

>>63393719
Based, Holy shit!

>>63393030
How do you ask a fictional character that isn't real for their consent?

>>63393030
>woman chuba
>"thick thighs save lives" in response to characters like ryza
>male chuba
>"copious twatter bullshit espousing virtues nobody in the real world gives two shits about"
This is why female chubas are the only ones who should exist. I rest my case.

>>63393030
NO MEANS N O
remember it holotards

>>63398338
>you dumb BITCH
>I fucking LOVED you
>why are you making me do this to US?

I kinda get it and don't really mind. A lot of chuubas are okay with sexy fanarts of themselves even r18 doujins and fanfics. But it just comes across as preachy to ultra coomers so of course vt is throwing a fit even though they don't watch this guy or care about anything else he said or done, myself included I guess.

>>63397334
>I think he's talking more to the scenario like non-vanilla stuff?
Nope, it's ecchi moments. That's what faggots that speak like this always use that kind of gay ass "empowered" rhetoric against.
Basically a hot chick with a nice body but isn't a boss bitch archetype that "owns" her sexuality = bad. So a demure girl with nice tits cannot be sexualized because she isn't "empowered" because she said she can no longer get married for being seen naked or even where it makes sense like clothing damage in battle. That's also not acceptable.
He's the kind of faggot that'd bitch about battle shonen having ecchi moments in them where the girls are shown in a hot spring or some other sexy way and call it "unnecessary"
It's the same rhetoric EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMN TIME. They're never talking about rape or non-vanilla content you'd need a sad panda account to view. It's the most safe and normal ecchi moments.

>>63398513
"Ja" means "yes" in German, so as long as they're Japanese I always have consent.

So how long until he starts trying to groom an underage fan?

ah, it’s bvtm
everything makes sense now

Homosister coping hard.

you fags are worse than twitter sjw, holy shit

>>63393030
why are all the stars just giant fucking faggots who stumble over themselves like this

>>63396637
Suisei... but yo be fair to her, she just don't want to be seen as a sexual object, and she's not actually preaching to everyone.

Funniest part is everyone will forget by tommorow and the new gen will continue to be successful

>>63393658
Pretty sure the lolicon to child predator pipeline is pretty well established too

>>63394530
>60 documented cases
>Multiple entries of organizations that banned loli or lewds where people working there got fired instead of entries about individuals themselves
>Multiple entries where the "pedos" were just retards writing fanfics or letting minors follow their art accounts
>Almost every single individual mentioned is a literalwho
I'm assuming this was compiled over a period of years and when you think about the tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people who have expressed anti loli sentiments, 58 cases don't seem like much no? Also some of the entries, like #58, don't even feature any abuse by the anti-loli person themselves but rather by someone associated with them(although this particular case isnt even abuse). I'm sorry, I don't think liking loli/shota stuff makes you an outright pedo but the argument provided by this list seems tenuously cobbled together in a desperate attempt to turn this into a "NO U" scenario. Many of these entries shouldn't even be on this list.

>>63393030
Anime charcters can't consent they are a drawing you dumb twitard

>>63399169
>successful

>>63399169
>>>>successful

>>63399169
>successful

>>63399199
Give us examples sister

>>63393030
But anime characters can't consent. Is he okay with lolis like Nowi being sexualized?

>>63397373
That’s just a baseless rrat, right? H-he can’t be that retarded?

>>63399394
He absolutely is that retarded.

Bottom of the barrel gen

>>63393030
>I don't like sexualization of characters that don't have a say in it
That's every fucking character, they don't exist they can't have a say in being sexy or not.

>>63399120
Yeah imagine defending this faggot lmao

>>63399204(me)
There's also ironically an entry where the anti loli person was actually caught with loli porn and also having raped someone. Reading these entries has been morbidly entertaining

>>63399204
>Almost every single individual mentioned is a literalwho
Is that what we call the United Kingdom and the United Nations now?
>UK sends out a news crew from their GOVERNMENT FUNDED(and thus tax payer funded) channel to Japan to report on the "evil child rape culture of Japan"
>The same year the Rotherham rape gangs were exposed
>The same year the UK said they didn't go after those child rapists because they were scared of being racist. Yet they had no issue claiming Japan was full of child rapists.
United Nations
>Send a strongly worded letter demanding Japan ban rape and loli works
>WOMENS Writers Association of Japan told them "Worry about real women and children"
>That same year the EXACT SAME GROUP was caught with 120+ cases of child rape, abuse, grooming and prostitution
That's far more damning than anything you've got. That's also ignoring that we just had the DailyMail call Made In Abyss evil while the following day calling a female pedophile "Glamorous".

>>63393030
>summary of Ruze's opinion on thing
>becomes an OP with 190+ replies
Next thing you're gonna bitch about is his love of Homestuck. Why are you like this /vt/? Do you not have friends who have different opinions from yourselves?

>>63399625
>homestuck
I thought he couldn't be even more pathetic

Keep coping, sister.

>>63399223

>>63397772
This place isn't twatter you tranny

>>63399625
It’s a bvtm “yab”
As soon as you know that, nothing anyone is saying matters anymore

Why are the homos woke while the girls are normal? How the fuck are they even choosing these guys?

>>63396998
No one stop you from doing that. But claiming about sexuality of a character without author's confirmation is nothing more than just fanfiction

>>63399742
If the dino was picked by ollie who knows what the fuck kinda standards they don't have

>>63399613
Do you understand what the words "almost" and "individual" mean?? Also I read those entries too. The reason I said they shouldn't be on the list was because the anti-loli stance was the policy of the company, not the pedos working in the company. For all you know, the individual rapists themselves could've been hardcore loli fans. If you're going to use that list to accuse anti-loli individuals of being closet pedos then your entries should echo that sentiment. But several of the entries like I mentioned here >>63399204 don't even feature any sexual abuse from the anti-loli individual themselves unless you count writing fanfics and not banning kids from your nsfw accounts to be abuse. And 58 cases is really nothing in the overall population of anti-loli people, especially when not all 58 should even be on the list

>>63399742
The girls aren’t “normal” if you take a dive into their RM/PLs, they just keep their mouths shut.

>>63399742
>Two homos have incredibly mild popular opinions
>All homos are woke
In all seriousness though, it's normal for men not to be able to shut up about their politics. Even most deeply misogynistic people understand women as the more socially adept gender, this should be expected.

>>63393030
I've read it 5-6 times so far and I still can't understand anything, it feels like I'm trying to make sense of what my 5y old nephew tells me that he dreamed

>>63399394
I said smart men don't become vtuber outside of jp

>>63399841
>they just keep their mouths shut.
Considering they're women, this makes it all the more impressive. Amazing the men can't manage the same.

>>63399851
>>63399911
They keep their mouths shut because their male fanbases are not as receptive to sjw opinions nearly as much as the female majority fanbases of the Stars. That is literally the only reason so don't kid yourselves otherwise. Look at the girls in Niji, they're even worse

>>63399911
They make thousands out of doing the bare minimum that can be defined as labor, the homos don’t. That’s the difference you retard, they keep their mouths shut out of fear of losing that, not because they’re grateful the lifestyle they’re blessed with

>>63400013
Maybe the homos would be making more if they learned to keep quiet

>>63399797
>The reason I said they shouldn't be on the list was because the anti-loli stance was the policy of the company
>NOOOOO YOU DON'T GET IT MY PEOPLE WOULD NEVER RAPE CHILDREN IT'S ONLY YOUR KIND THAT WOULD DO THAT
You can't seriously think I'm as retarded as you are.
The UN instance had the person behind the letter and a number of the people in his sector get caught with those crimes.
The UK were openly defending child rapists.
The DailyMail CALLED A FUCKING CHILD RAPIST GLAMOROUS
All you have is baseless conjecture with no proof. I'm giving you hard evidence of events that happened. All you can do is flail around going "NO U"
What next, you going to say the EVO head getting caught with naked pictures of 11 year old boys but lambasted REAL women advertising DOA6 in Japan in a way that appealed to the Japanese was totally all for sexualizing fictional characters?
You braindead retard.

>>63393030
too much text did not read

>>63399977
>>63400013
>I could've had 2 quint replies...
On the edge of greatness...

>>63393030
Don't forget that all that text started because of one simple question that is
>Do you know wakfu?

>>63400089
You're acting like an emotional woman right now. I've already explained to you the difference between anti-loli individuals being caught for abuse vs organizations that are anti-loli that have employees being caught for abuse. You literally just have 3 examples, 2 of which prove my point, that you're using to REEEE at me. How do you know the individual rapists at CNN or the DailyMail weren't loli consumers? Show me the evidence right now. You're also conveniently ignoring all the other arguments I made about the list being inflated and hyperfocusing on one example. How low IQ are you? No seriously, your mental retardation is impressive to the point where I think you're trolling lol. Please don't have kids.

>>63400414
>the list being inflated
It isn't since the list is about hypocrisy from those that show anti-loli sentiments. This includes everything from raping children to talking about sexual content with minors or liking shit that's just as bad based on their own standards (i.e. shota) It isn't JUST the one's caught raping children. Secondly, you're being intentionally obtuse and retarded.
The DailyMail calling an anime bad and a child rapist glamorous is clear hypocrisy and incredibly fucked up but it isn't raping a child. Also CNN is burgerland, the UK is the BBC. On top of that the presenter for the BBC unironically said there's no difference between fiction and reality. Pointing out how the UK sent a full news crew to Japan to make an "expose" while having an ACTUAL child rape culture going on right on their home turf is the pinnacle of hypocrisy and just outright evil. The fact you're so desperate to paint them or the faggots in the UN as being "pro-loli" when they've clearly shown anti-loli sentiments is just more proof of you not wanting to admit to reality. You can't prove these people are pro-loli, you have no basis whatsoever. You're just appealing to emotion hoping that you can go BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY'RE ON MY SIDE?
This is also ignoring the fact the UK has been pretty explicit in being anti-loli and wanting that content banned entirely while being fine with child rape gangs.
You're arguing like a retarded woman hoping no one remembers any of the events that happened or any of their prior statements.
Like I said, you have no evidence, I do. If you want to make the case they're actually pro-loli then prove it with evidence not your retarded conjecture.

>>63393030
he just doesn't like non-con.

luckily, you can always make them consent.

>>63400078
Im sure all the lolicons were really on the fence about watching Holostars

>>63393719
I'd watch him but now that I know he plays horde I refuse.

>>63393030
Who is this dude? No fictional characters can consent to what I do to them in my head and that's a good thing.

>>63400903
Playing horde is one thing. What's really important is that he's one of those belf only players.

>>63394186
vanilla good, rape bad

>>63400653
Demonization of non-con situations is retarded anyway, non-con situations encompass a lot of different things, it's one of the most common "fetishes" out there to the point where I don't even know if you could call it a fetish, and works of fiction allow people to safely explore that without hurting anyone. The only way it could possibly be harmful is if you're operating under the assumption that everybody is influenced by fiction in the exact same way every single time, that is they see something in fiction and think "Well the story said its fine so I guess I'll do it in real life now!". Everything MUST be an influence on how you think about real life because everybody has the same monkey-see monkey-do brain with absolutely no nuance whatsoever.

>>63393030
I'm not surprised men are offended by this take. The word consent scares you for some reason and you wonder why women never want to talk to you.

>>63400637
I will explain this to you one last time:
If you're using a list to accuse individuals who are anti-loli of being closeted pedos, your list should NOT be including organizations instead of individuals. YOU are the ones making the argument that people who are anti-loli specifically, are likely to be closeted pedos. The actual list even says the same
>This is a list dedicated to archiving instances of people who condemned Loli that were later found to be either actual predators, creeps or just terrible people in general.
If you make the accusation you need to supply actual proof that the individual rapists in question echoed anti-loli sentiments. You have provided zilch. And i have not argued that any organization is pro-loli at all. Organizations, including the UN and corporations have conducted actual crimes against humanity. To argue their hypocrisy in just this one regard is disingenuous because they are hypocrites in every single facet. My only point is that the list attempts to draw an association between INDIVIDUALS who are anti-loli and having abuse tendencies which it does a poor job of since multiple entries are not even about individuals and others don't even feature any abuse by the anti-loli individual themself. Also, I know this another difficult point to comprehend, but just because a bad person is advocating for a particular cause, it is not necessarily a reflection of the cause itself. Hitler was a nature conservationist. I've wasted way too much time on a catalog bait thread so I'm done here. Read my post with sincerity or don't i guess.

>>63393030
why did he bring up politics

>"I just don't like this thing, I'm personally not into it"
>Clearly this means other people aren't allowed to sexualize characters, he is eliminating my right to free speech, he is getting political, and he HATES anime characters and thinks loli and shota should not exist!!!
I will never take my education for granted ever again, I could have ended up with the reading comprehension of an anon on this board.

>>63393757
That's the ruse kek

>>63401159
I just don't like his opinion, I personally do not agree

>>63394751
Shiori was talking about the inclusion of female characters. She was speaking as a woman who only wants to play female characters.

>>63393030
While i don’t completely agree with his take, it doesn’t really bother me. But it does seem like he is just virtue signal pandering and hoping the girls will see this so they will be like “Wow he’s totally not a creep like other guys!!!1111 Maybe I should collab with him!!!!1111”. A bunch of dudes who say shit like this seemingly always only do so because they think it will get them some pussy.

>successful
LMAOOOOO

>>63396371
What about that Rurouni Kenshin mangaka, didn't they find CP in his possession?

>>63401286
Shut up, novelcuck. She said it is a good thing more and more text-based adventures are becoming more "gender-inclusive" (validating delusional bullshit).

>>63401730
>"gender-inclusive"
woman-inclusive
If she meant to say non-binary-inclusive, she would have said it.

>>63393030
Uhh...I know there are some anons going around being a dickhead by posting who?
But I have been taking vacations from this board around 7 weeks
So who is this?
Judging from this >>63393110
It's someone related to Hololive?
Anyway, his statement sounds retarded

>>63401809
Not >>63393110 but >>63393143

>>63399911
Holostars talk about stuff that their female fanbases agree with, Hololive talks about stuff their male fanbases agree with. It really is as simple as that. I assure you that the guy in the OP doesn't give a shit what catalogmonkeys who never watch him think while his female fans are squeeing on Twitter over how they finally found a guy who gets it.

>>63395117
>"I don't like the sexualization of characters who don't have a say in it".
How do characters convey whether they are okay being sexualized or not to you? They speak to you in your head?

>>63393030
I can't fucking find this clip on youtube for the life of me.

>>63401996
dude has early onset dementia without knowing

>>63401619
Despite the hindsight of the main couple having a large age gap, there really wasn't anything to indicate he was a lolicon before the discovery

>>63402091
Its not a clip

>>63399785
Since when was this discussion about canon character traits?

>>63393030
I don't you mutts, this is like the most neutral take on the internet. Why you guys get so mad easily?

>>63402220
So an anon put all that effort to subtitle a video nicely and uploaded on streamable just so he can make this image to shitpost on 4chan?

>>63401990
>that the guy in the OP doesn't give a shit what catalogmonkeys who never watch him think

Except that's untrue since we know at MINIMUM axel was confirmed to be /here/. Pretty much all big vtubers have come here, /vt/ is way too prevalent in the vtubing community for people to have at least not checked it out.

>>63399850
Let me translate amerimuttican for you bro. He's saying fictional characters ie drawn animated characters that do not exist, should only be sexually arousing IE wearing skimpy clothing or being involved in sexual situations, if those fictional characters consent to it and are okay with it.

>>63402305
Is it worth getting sand in your vagina over it?

>>63401026
Blame post-modernist philosophy for this shit since it assumes all humans are born as blank slates and we simply are products of our environments. There's a reason that in the last 15 years as post-modernist philosophy has become popular that popular media has becoming more and more moralising towards it's own audience. It's not a coincidence. These retards genuinely believe that if you are exposed to enough fictional material that it can alter the way you perceive reality since you as a person have no fundamental base of morality or perception.

>>63401076
This guy definitely rapes kids

>>63402324
Is it worth being irritated about someone claiming fictional characters that don't exist require consent?
Hmm. Yes.

>>63402274
It's called photoshop you technologically illiterate idiot.

>>63401767
Literally nobody says gender inclusive to mean include women. If they meant female inclusive, they would have used the term female inclusive.

>>63393673
Gonna need some clarification on this

>>63398687
Anime shouldn't have thrive in the western world like the status quo

>>63402324
sis is projecting

>>63401063
Weak bait 1/10

I thought jurard would be the big issue but he's just an autistic flip who loves holo culture and smothers himself in it like a retard with its own shit.
But Ruze is definitely the worst hire. This sort of weird fucking American mind rot shit is just weird as fuck. Even Kiara and Nina didn't bring this shit up on stream because they realize vtubers are an escapism from politics and real world stuff. It's incredible this fucking retard doesn't.

>>63402485
Nice deflection jurard, clip watching doesn't make you a hololive fan

>>63402485
Even shinri who 100% believes in the same stuff doesn't bring it up.

>>63396855
Please try asking your average person on the street whether masturbating to cartoon children is perfectly fine and see how fast you get the police called on you, the distinction between cp and loli is something that only matters to weebs.

>>63393030
Male vtubers were a mistake.

>>63399165
Nigga, at least Suisei won't care as long you don't make her know about it

>>63402603
Ask the average person on the street in Japan, a culture who regularly deals with loli vs cp. Most people don't give a shit. Of course westerners are going to find it wrong because they don't have the cultural conception of a loli.

>>63402577
>Even shinri who 100% believes in the same stuff doesn't bring it up.

Proof?

>>63393030
Okay OP what is your angle here? You clearly started this thread as a shitpost but you're also in favor of the message? And suddenly you rope loli into the whole discussion even though he did not so much as mention it?

>>63402603
>Please try asking your average person on the street whether masturbating to animals or visceral gore is perfectly fine and see how fast you get the police called on you
Why are you talking about your masturbatory habits with the "average person"?
The fuck is wrong with you?

>>63402667
NTA but he brought it up during his PL rarely. Not like it's the worst thing since he never brings it up though.

>>63402709
It's a tumblr/twitterfag trying to make 4chan another place that only stands for his insane ideology, they've become a pest far more than normal recently.

>>63399841
>females are more professional than males at work

>>63395171
How is this political?

>>63402805
Mr. Bioholes? He brought it up at least 1 time.

>>63402968
>gender politics
>retarded rape culture consent politics
>whether or not a drawing has human rights

In which way is this not political?

>>63402662
>Ask the average person on the street in Japan, a culture who regularly deals with loli vs cp. Most people don't give a shit.
I mean it’s not like a bunch of westerners really have a good understanding of what the Japanese think, but assuming you’re right, then it still makes perfect sense that Ruze wouldn’t care for this because he’s part of the EN branch.
>>63402732
Are you just pretending to be retarded or did you really not understand the point?

>>63403024
>Are you just pretending to be retarded or did you really not understand the point?
Are you? You're kind always go "Talk about your sexual fetishes with the average person" like it's some kind of own. Only a total faggot would do that. i.e. YOU and your child grooming ilk.

>>63402811
Honestly I feel like he's just a hagfag that gets off on shitting on lolifags and uses whatever he can to justify said shitting on

>>63403005
He just said he's not into it, he never says that it's wrong to like it, stop making everything political.

>>63403397
>hey here's my political opinion
>wtf this isn't about politics

>>63403287
So actually retarded then, nobody outside of weebs care about the morality of lolicon compared to actual cp, you look like a pedophile regardless.

>>63393030
This is a dumb take but god it does not need this much attention. It doesn't even affect anyone.

>>63393030
who fucking watches this shit, seriously

>>63403466
> nobody outside of weebs care about the morality of lolicon compared to actual cp
That's objectively untrue. Look at all the American media that shows teenagers in a sexual light. Should that be counted as CP?

>>63403466
>nobody outside of weebs care about the morality of lolicon compared to actual cp
Correct because the west loves actual cp. Multiple nations that banned loli related games or called them cp had no issue with a movie about 12 year olds humping the floor like horny mutts in heat and twerking.
>inb4 but it said those things were bad
Yeah, so WHY did they have to record that kind of shit? We know real kids shouldn't be sexualized, we don't need a movie of kids humping the floor to know it's bad. Also they still haven't published Epstein's flight logs. Talk about weird that they say loli = cp but don't want to expose REAL pedophiles.

>>63403770
>Cuties
>imdb score of 3.6/10
>rotten tomatoes audience score of 16%
>had no issue with a movie about 12 year olds humping the floor like horny mutts in heat and twerking.
?????

>>63403958
>Will ban games with lolis in them
>Won't ban movie about 12 year olds dancing like whores
What didn't make sense?

>>63396075
This is from September

>>63404086
>had no issue with a movie about 12 year olds humping the floor like horny mutts in heat and twerking
This part retard, people obviously had an issue with it

>>63393030
I agree. Games should come with a PDF of consent forms signed by all the NPCs. I'll sleep better knowing they're ok. The game industry is tough.

>>63398492
both are pandering to the opposite sex

>>63404137
So why wasn't it banned when they banned games for less?

I'm worried bros.
A lot of the npcs I've killed in games have outright said they didn't want to die but I killed them anyway...

>>63404839
Probably because companies decide this shit on an individual basis, it’s completely irrelevant anyway. Your argument was based on the idea that the west is somehow pro pedophile, whether or not something is banned isn’t necessarily indicative of the average person (regular people, not some random politicians) supporting it.

>>63404759
That only tells me that a female audience is a nightmare to have.

>>63405909
one reddit gold for you good sir

>>63393271
This. He has underage pussy on his mind.

>>63402709
How do you niggers fail to see even the most blatant falseflags? Are you really this retarded?

>>63399204
>I-IT D-DOESN'T COUNT!
Keep moving the goalpost pedo

>>63406088
One look at NijiCN(EN) tells me all I need to know.

>>63396637
>it's a really weird stance to take and a little tone deaf considering the corpo he works for
>corpo of women choosing to sexualize themselves
>supports women choosing to sexualize themselves
Where's the issue?

>>63399797
>The reason I said they shouldn't be on the list was because the anti-loli stance was the policy of the company, not the pedos working in the company.
Who do you think makes these policies if not people working there? Also why are you defending pedos?

This argument all boils down to
>I think that [insert fictional thing here] has a real life negative influence on society therefore should not be allowed

Which is the exact same argument for violent video games.

>>63399204
Kill yourself Pedo

>>63406390
And just like during the height of those attempts to kill Doom and Quake, the argument against is feeble.

>>63406377
>Who do you think makes these policies if not people working there?
It's usually suits, managers, HR and PR people who decide on company policy, not the average working Joe.

>>63401026
I mean, it might be common, but not everyone has it. I do find it indicative of an iffy morality, but on the other hand, eh.

>>63396658
>Of course the characters don't have a say in it, they're not real, and even though I can understand empathy for a fictional character, let's not start acting as if they were sentient or we might as well just call life a big Blade Runner adaptation.
There are hundreds of sleazy anime shows built around fanservice where the girls are in skimpy clothes. The story has them flashing panties or puts them into sexually degrading situations where the character feels humiliated. Ruze made a few mild feminist statements which is certainly a widely held opinion in HoloEN.

>>63402250
It's a slippery slope. First they claim character didn't give consent. Then they assume the author who created that character is a terrible person. Then they insult and threaten to cancel that author, demanding the product to change according to their "vision". I've seen that happened to games

>>63408200
>Then they assume the author who created that character is a terrible person.
>Then they insult and threaten to cancel that author, demanding the product to change according to their "vision"
Might want to check the thread, anon. And /vt/ threads for the past year for that matter.