/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>63581739
>we've gotten to the point Ame can't even use amebee without putting in a permission form
is this true

>>63581739
Does Ame have a penis? Does Gura? Or Kiara? then stfu.

Should've joined holostars instead, they don't have any rules

>>63581904
What? actual schizophrenia.

>>63581904
Curious, you seem really confident in your assumption that they don't.

>>63581739
>Can't talk about anything happening irl
based, never want a single vtuber I like to start doing this

>>63581904
Amecock...
GuraDoublePenis...
Kikkericock...

How about a HoloStrike with them taking turns singing "Which Side Are You On?" once a week.

>>63582002
>thinking holostar want to join holostar if it wasn't for hololive adjacent brand.
Lol

>>63581739
What's that one game Gura actually enjoyed playing? The pretty fucked up gorey one that you went into different zones and shit. I know she got mad as hell when they said they "should" no longer stream it

>>63581739
>don't let woman have women moments
>Employ almost all of the most popular female streamersnin the world
It's almost as if these restrictions work.

>>63581739
>You can fund a project completely out of pocket and have it cancelled at the very end
I still remember pekora getting called mid stream and being told her project was cancelled...

>>63582277
at least try to read a couple of lines before posting, anon

>>63580503

>>63581871
Are any of OP's statements true?
What are his sources?

>>63582451
i don't know why are you asking me. a lot do seem burnt out though.

>>63582349
Read what? You want women to talk about "things happening itl" . If you want to watch whores rant about roe vs wade there's a company called vshojo that panders to smoothbrains like you.
I'll stick with the industry leader because I'm not into watching women moments.

When did this start happening? The permissions have always been a nuisance but it feels like more recently the issue keeps coming up.

When will they finally get Lethal Company perms? I've been watching indies play it for weeks now. And will they be allowed to install mods that increase the lobby size when they do finally get perms?

>>63581739
gomenasai, japanese bureaucratic autism desu

>>63582494
op's wording is shit but why would your mind go to that when he clearly said
>history-themed chuuba can't even do history streams

>>63582555
>will they be allowed to install mods that increase the lobby size
no lol

>>63582507
>>63582555
>Japanese company is lethargically slow and resistant to new things
more on this new story at 11

>>63582555
>When will they finally get Lethal Company perms?
When that one guy that’s in charged of perms actually does his job…. and if he remembers to update the list to let them know.

>>63582451
No, it was all a lie. Hololive talents
>Can play any game they want
>Can play anytime they want
>Don't have permissions get held up because there's no permissions department
>Can sink anything they want using any backing track
>Can talk about brands such as Disney and Spider-man
>Can talk about the Holocaust (I have proof)
>Can use any 3d model they want
>Have staff which is very supportive of their projects
>Have staff which recommends good, on-brand ideas for their projects
>Pay for the talent's travel expenses and projects
>Would never cancel a project that's already paid for and done
>Support talents at every chance, fund their projects, help them figure out things such as tech and travel arrangements, and are very lax with what they let the talents do
Source: I've seen it all with my own eyes

>>63581739
don't care. Go to vshojo or nijisanji if you hate it so much.

>>63582623
It'll instantly fucking devolve into talking about fucking troon rights over the centuries or something equally stupid. Cover knows what it's doing. Women need to be controlled. They're industry leaders for a reason.

>>63582277
hololive has taught me that women are far more likeable and productive when under heavy restriction and rigid order.

>>63582748
Okay but the girls want to talk about this shit. Combine one good (but unpopular) rule with a ton of equally unpopular but RETARDED rules, and you're left with no content at all.

>>63582748
okay, now justify the other points

>>63582507
Ever since the Tokugawa imposed sakoku into law.

>>63582821
inchallah my brother

>>63581739
that is alot of words for an idolcorp deflection.

>>63582507
is started happening like june 2020 and has steadily been getting more autistic as the company grows larger in time

>>63581739
What you, the dumb whores applying and 90% of the fucking smoothbrains that consume this slop don't understand is that Cover knows what makes money and all the marks and whores don't, that's why they're paypigging or auditioning to Hololive. Memes, fapbait and leading tards along works, "artistic" content doesn't. Don't believe me? Look at Shiori and how fast she sunk when the GFE tit dried out and she became the weirdo Mumei never had the guts to be.

>>63581739

>you can play your games if you fill out the paperwork
>WAH I DON'T WANNA DO ACTUAL WORK I JUST WANNA PLAY VDIEO GAMES ALL DAY REEEEEEEEEEED

>>63582962

>>63583000
>>>>you can play your games if you fill out the paperwork

>>63581739
everything was fine until the bare flesh ban

>>63583093
nah fuck that the bare flesh ban should've been a thing from the start and you are falseflagging

>>63582947
So let me get this straight.
You believe this entire industry exists to milk retards like you from their money by producing cheap and low-quality content. Yet you're still here.

>>63582901
Theres already multiple threads about that, why don’t you go to those instead?

>>63583000
>you can play your games if you fill out the paperwork

>>63582947
Now tell me how this excuses their perms autism. Why does Ame need to fill out forms in order to use her own different non-offensive Ame models? No wonder half of them don't give a fuck anymore.

>>63582962
bringing up Niji in a Holo thread is an actual deflection

>Sana left in part because she couldn't binge arknights and genshin
>EN and JP can no longer play Outlast Trials
>Can no longer play Friday the 13th
>>Nah guys, they can play any game they want

>>63583000
>assuming they don’t just deny the perms
>assuming they actually respond within a reasonable period of time
>assuming you don’t have to go through all this shit again if the perms aren’t permanent

>>63581739
never happened to my oshi. So I don't care ENshart, I'm just here to laugh at you

>>63581739
I thought it was another deflection thread but I'm also frustrated with their increasing restrictions. It's like all the talents have to follow the same formula now, limiting their creativity.
Sovl contents are getting rarer these days thanks to these stupid restrictions.

>>63581739
bunch of bullshit in this op, guess the jews want to deflect from their prostitution yab kek

>>63581739
I dont get the issue, if it bother you so much go watch other corpos.
If they are feeling burnout, they can always go on an indefinite mental health break like gura.

>>63582748
It's quite clear that it's not the women who need to be controlled. None of the girls has ever brought up anything political, not even Kiara or Kronii. The EN Holostars on the other hand never shut the fuck up about their love of woke shit. First you had Altare talking about how Cover needs to support the 2SLGBTQQIAP+ "cause", then there was Vesper talking about his "non binary pals", and now one of the guys in the latest batch went on a rant about how people shouldn't sexualize fictional women and also unironically used the term "non binary".

>>63582827
>>63582830
>okay, now justify the other points

>Games
Look at what happened to vshojo over a silly wizard game.
>Songs
They'd sing "this is america" or some other race baiting politically charged shit
>Brands
They'd talk about brands cancelling people over political statements
>Other shit
Managers aren't their babysitters

The restrictions are in place to prevent women moments and viewers don't want women moments. At the end of the day you can't argue results. You can't refute that cover is industry leader and that all other companies like nijisanji, vshojo and idol are crashing and burning. Partially because of women moments.

>>63581739
Some of these are evidently false/not enforced, obviously not a big deal, or pulled out of OP's ass. The rest seems like reasonable restrictions for the largest vtuber company.

>>63583326
Can't have horror game penis and Marine's Treasure Box in the same room.

>>63581739
I dont know man, woman in this business need to be kept on a leash or we would have an Riro Idol whore drama every week.

>>63583448
>The restrictions are in place to prevent women moments
Then why are the Stars under the same restrictions?

>>63582821
>i only like women when they are forced to act like men instead
it's nice that hololive figured out the formula to corner the closted gay demographic

>>63583448
>absolutely mindbroken by western politics
Meds please, for your own sake.

>>63583532
Have you seen them lately?

>>63581739
A lot of problem with HoloEN would be solve if the JP members learned English.

HoloEN and HoloJP getting closer would make the EN girls have more power.
There been times HoloEN members have only been able to get things done by management because they ask a JP member.
The JP members would know their problems and could advocate for them.
With the JPs advocating for them, not as many of their ideas would get shot down.
JP members would help them get more projects and 3D stuff.

Also, HoloEN's lack of members, fixed.
HoloJP do big collabs at least ones a week that EN just can't do, and by big collabs by JP standards their medium sized collabs.
Those medium sized collabs JP has all the time, EN doesn't have those.
Their would be more big events for English audiences.
I really can't emphasize enough how much HoloJP relies on the fact that it has tons of members.
Ever notice that almost every collab EN and JP have are in Japanese, that need to change. That's so much good content English fans are missing out on.
The EN side doesn't have the content that keep the JP side alive.

Gaming streams is not what keeps Hololive popular and HoloEN doesn't have much options outside of that.
This is like 25% on the EN girls and 60% on the management. The EN girls should have encourage more English interaction with the JP girls.
If the HoloJP girls learned English, HoloEN would gain: medium sized collabs, big collabs events, more 3D streams, move creative streams in general, just simply more members that are awesome.
Really it's hard to explain, just imagine it, it would be so much better.

HoloEN isn't allowed to be Hololive.

>>63583448
>this one game was controversial with some people so we need to ban ALL games until they are approved by a member of management
>some songs have political connotations so we have to ban ALL songs until they are approved by a member of management
>politics are a thing that exist so we will ban talking about brands for seemingly unrelated reasons that I won't elaborate on
>managers aren't babysitters so we will have them act like very neglectful babysitters instead

>>63583326
>Sana left in part because she couldn't binge arknights
Arguing that they can't play chinese gacha garbage isn't doing you any favors. Nobody wants to watch that shit. Just look at nijiEN numbers when they play it. Finana has reached borderline 2 view while doing it.

I remember Ame talking about how she got reprimanded for not having gotten permission for making small ame and now i'm sure she can't even use any alt model without paper work. Zero spontaneity and no creativity unless you use your fax.

>>63583448
>Look at what happened to vshojo over a silly wizard game.
the three most annoying members left and were replaced by fun streamers who everyone likes more and now they have constant fun collabs?

>>63582720
Do you think "can" and "may" are synonyms?

>>63583666
Yes. Because they're dealing with women they need whitelists not blacklists. Blacklists wouldn't work.

>>63583448
>Look at what happened to vshojo over a silly wizard game.
they took a talent that was bullied into graduation for playing that game?

>>63583564
>forced to act like men

what in the fuck are you talking about? Have you ever watched hololive? Look at Shiori or Fuwa/Moco and tell me they're masculine.

>>63581739
That's what they sign up for. They get: free guaranteed audience, the freedom to not stream and still earn money, above-average pay from basically just existing as a member of hololive. What they deal with in return is giving up the traditional freedom of an independent streamer, and they have to play ball with Japanese fax machine work culture. That's nothing new, Cover being shit is known since before holoEN was a thing at all.

>>63583779
the problem is not having a whitelist the problem is that management expands that list at a snail's pace

>>63583655
Actually yes, I watched Hakka play refind self and listened to Flayon ASMR yesterday.

>>63583726
>Vshojotard outs himself and proves that this thread is just another "all vtuber companies have to be vshojo and if you disagree you're an incel" thread

>>63583666
Bro, you're seriously arguing with someone who wrote second-grade debate class asspulls

>>63583187
I am already at a deflection thread. If you think this isn't just because it is less obvious you are a fool. Threads like this one only get posted during a major yab, never during normal time.

>>63583884
i didn't post anything negative about hololive, i'm this guy >>63581871 >>63582492
cool your console warrior jets buddy

>>63583839
>if you want to get X, you have to do Y
>no, the two aren't directly correlated, why do you ask

>>63583849
>and listened to Flayon ASMR yesterday.
Did he suck the dildo yet?

>>63583532
>Then why are the Stars under the same restrictions?
>Asked after the debacle of vesper and magni
You know why. we call them women moments but some men are women in their heart, and I don't mean in the tranny sense.

>>63584048
He did lick the mic if that's what you're asking

>>63583660
It's not their fault the English courses over there are absolute shit.

>>63583839
>It is this way because look it just is like that stop questioning things

>>63581739
I know this is bait but some of it is true, the newer restricions they've added (perms for alt models,karaoke restrictions,etc) are dumb
the not being able to talk about politics stuff is good however

>>63584124
Not quite. I want to hear him gluck gluck.

>>63583837
>Look at Shiori
no. the dogs are agendered.

>>63584037
Maintaining the success of a large company entails some precautionary measures so yes they are correlated

>>63584289
>T-t-t-he big company can't exist unless amebee submits a form !!!

>>63583957
You sound like the one deflecting right now, if talking negatively about Holo makes you upset and you’d rather talk about idol’s autism some more, feel free to hide the thread and go to one of the other threads talking about that.

>>63581739
Thanks for reminding me why I still follow them.

>>63584332
Whatever forms they have to fill out, they can't be that big of a deal. Would we ever get guerilla streams if they were? Like Bijou randomly deciding to stream Minecraft on her off day just because she happened to be playing

>>63584332
Unless one of the other companies surpasses them you can't prove otherwise. Unfortunately idol, vshojo and nijiEN are too busy imploding. So you'll have to rely on *checks list* phase connect RUMAO.

>>63584435
It's not the forms as much as having to wait for the response. And that it may get denied. When it was something they could do freely before.

>>63584282
back to vshojo with you SEA monkey

>>63584508
>Unless one of the other companies surpasses them you can't prove otherwise.
Yeah, unless a bigger retard shows up I'm gonna keep believing you're the biggest retard in the world.

>>63584534
>sea
>twitch

>>63583532
>western male vtuber not having a woman moment
Vox, mysta, fagni and vampfag, hello.

Hi, Ame. What's happening? We need to talk about your amebee reports.

>>63581739
these are things that they put in place because of other corporate entities, not themselves

>>63584523
Clearly that's not an issue much of the time because we do in fact see guerilla streams

>>63584546
>Nooooo i want cover to be like the failing companies! I don't want to watch the failing companies that are doing exactly what i want!!!!!!

>>63583793
>"she never talk to me for months"

>>63582555
I've been loving Lethal Company and I'm mad that it didn't come out before the vtuber awards voting because it would've won stream game of the year easy. I saw Niji got perms and the clips from that are also good.

>>63582720
holy fuck, it hits way harder when put this way...

>>63581739
these are literally their old regulation no?
basically since they got blown up and holocaust.

>>63584684
I hope you’re pretending to be retarded, the alternative would be much worse.

Reminds me of Cover adding new rules to RUST. Gura said she didn't want to play anymore because she'll unknowingly break the new rules. Pekora or Miko said that veterans were no longer allowed to initiate combat with lesser experienced players. Pekora ends up just fighting NPCs till she got bored and let her house decay.
They killed RUST.

>>63583429
>last one
Who?

>>63584684
See, I used your logic in a different situation to prove the logic itself is fundamentally flawed and never works.
You just wrote some completely random shit and pretended it was my argument.

>>63581739
Should've mentioned the new one with Kiara not being allowed to use her sword on her new outfit

>>63582507
It's always been a problem but it becomes more of a problem at certain times. Like right now, when they don't have perms for the newest FOTM. And one of the actually good FOTM games considering some of the others we've had to endure.

>>63583448
Sanest KFP faggot

>>63584879
The one people thought was the brotuber, Crimson Ruze.

>>63585038
>israel
But. This is an official part of her outfit and she's not allowed to use it...

>>63585038
Wait is this true? Fucking why?

>>63582507
They changed something about game perms recently. Mumei alluded to it and said she really dislikes the changes

>>63585162
She outright said she'd get bonked if she talked about it, which does not bode well for the future of this company

>>63585038
You know they need to render the 3d sword and shield right? Post the clip then.

>>63585038
>Kiara is not allowed to use part of her outfit
That's both funny and sad.

>>63585223
yeah its all over cover is dead fr fr

What's with all the Cover dicksuckers ITT? The restrictions get more strict and more retarded as time goes on. Why are you defending this shit? This doesn't have anything to do with their behavior on stream, or any other companies. Hololive didn't become successful because of the BTS staff, but despite them. It's the girls who made them.

>>63585252
.Live fan behavior, enjoy your earpieces.

>>63585223
>source trust me
Post the clip.

>>63585256
>or any other companies
>perms have nothing to do with other companies
sure :)

>>63585256
They're newfags who started with EN and haven't watched corpos kill themselves, there was an entire ecosystem before Holo/Niji console war hell that wiped itself out being retarded and japanese.

I haven't watched Hololive in moths, but if all that is true then I'm sorry that I ever said anything about Gura and Ame. I wouldn't want to put in any effort either if I worked for this company under those rules. In fact, I probably would've quit already.

>>63585081
Thanks
>The one people thought was the brotuber
I almost feel sad for /MANS/

>>63585256
As long as there are cute girls doing cute things, whatever about that stuff.

>>63585295
>live
So this is the faggot fanbase then, good to know why this thread got raided with actual antis.
Post the timestamp then faggot.

>>63585256
Cover is perfect and if you don't love the dumb shit they do, you're an evil niji fan

>>63585256
You're looking at a subset of vitriolic manchildren in a vitriolic manchild hobby, of course people will argue and defend anything here.

>>63585256
But you see, Hololive is the most popular so that must be because of these awful restrictions and not any other reason. Clearly the reason Niji declined is because they weren’t playing Suika game for a month.

>>63585336
Perms for alt models have absolutely nothing to do with other companies.

>>63582248
Gura used to enjoy a lot of games. Her BPM: Bullets Per Minute stream was epic.

>>63583000
>you can play your games if you fill out the paperwork
It's been literally 15 years since video game companies actually gave a shit about monetized game content online. And even then, it was mostly just Nintendo (Capcom threw a couple fits too if I remember right).

I genuinely do not believe that the companies are actually denying perms 9 times out of 10.
Far more likely that the requests are just plain ignored by management.

>>63582248
I'm not sure, but do you mean Outlast?

>>63583448
>it's good because otherwise, [thing I made up that is entirely hypothetical]

>>63585561
It’s mostly a Japan thing, you don’t see this happen as much with the western corpos other than dealing with a few Japanese game companies.

>>63585454
some do, others are made in conjunction with artists who may hold some rights still and may get a cut of profits from streams done with those models, we dont know

>>63584366
the point is you ONLY talk about holo negatively when there is something to deflect, too much of a concidence idolfag.

>>63585942
nobody reply to him

>>63582555
Gura will quit within two weeks if they don't get Lethal Company perms.

>>63585561
>It's been literally 15 years since video game companies actually gave a shit about monetized game content online.
>Holocaust was 4 years ago
>Capcom still anal about showing "spoliers"
>Elden Ring required no supas
You clearly have not been paying attention.

>>63585561
I don't know if that changed in the mean time, but quite a while ago we learned that permissions (at least for EN) were handled by a single guy. Remember when they "lost perms" because the physical document got misplaced, meaning that they are too lazy to make copies, or better yet, scan them in? It's not just that they have to get permissions, it's also that they go at it in an incredibly retarded manner.

>>63586168
Ah yes, I remember when the guy was on vacation so nobody in EN could get new perms all summer.

>>63585408
>provide better remuneration % than any other corpo
So why do we hate them again?

>>63586298
Read the thread.

>>63585223
Cover bonks talents all the time for stupid reasons but not letting Kiara use the sword on her outfit is typical Japanese management. Hololive can have coomerbait swimsuits but the weapons are only for Holostars.

>>63585998
seethe idolfag, try harder next time.

>>63586019
Usually when people said that another graduation/termination happen from other corpo. See what happen to gura killer riro

>>63585038
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>>63586401
Does this apply to other weapons too, or just her sword in particular? Either way it's very bizarre.

>>63585256
Since hololive is evil, pls recommend me another corpo that not evil.

>>63586401
timestamp where she said it retard, otherwise you are lying

>>63585325
>>63586577
Hololive talents aren't allowed to explain all of their rules which includes saying why they aren't allowed to do certain things. It's a very old rule. There's a Coco clip of her explaining that back when people asked why there's no more Asacoco.

>>63586624
timestamp where she said she couldnt use her sword and her saying she couldnt say why

>>63586412
HAHAHA nobody actually replied that's so sad!!!

>>63586750
I don't watch EN I'm just adding additional context.

>>63586815
so she never said that she couldnt

>>63586401
we already know they need to render that 3d items aswell since it's a part of the outfit, like kaela flying water gallon which she can only use on 1 outfit since it's not just a toggle on and off.

>>63582555
ive never felt more out of the loop than with this game. it just looks like yet another dark and darker, tarkov, remnant, fuckin whatever. at least its pretty much guaranteed to peter out after a month or so

>>63586890
Don't reply to my posts without reading them, it's rude.

>>63586992
read the reply chain, I asked for proof that she said the things that were stated, and it was never given, so she never said it.

>>63587039
I did read it. Now please return the favor and read this. It's short. >>63586815

>>63587137
yeah so you are fine propagating false information?

I always love seeing people discuss topics like these.
>The company needs to bend to the talent's every demand and if not then they are black
>Why does the company care about how it is perceived by the public? Let the talents do whatever they want, the company doesn't matter.
>Talent wants to do something that I don't like, for example collabs with males? Why isn't the company intervening!?
Just look at how every little thing a talent does can cause you guys to start sperging out. You guys go on witch hunts if a talent says something you don't like or acts a certain way but you guys act like you're on the understanding and supportive side.
The rules Cover has exists because the fans are people who act like you. You can and will get triggered by something insignificant so it's best to avoid it entirely by being strict.

>>63582720
Oh so you have no sources. That's too bad :(

>>63587176
I can link you the clip of Coco talking about it if you want it.

>>63581739
>What managers do suggest is retarded shit (Gura please sing crazy frog)
pure kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT1tcoY5jKY

>>63587178
>The company needs to bend to the talent's every demand and if not then they are black
>Why does the company care about how it is perceived by the public? Let the talents do whatever they want, the company doesn't matter.
>Talent wants to do something that I don't like, for example collabs with males? Why isn't the company intervening!?
Nice straw men, where's your field?

>>63587224
no, I wanted where Kiara said anything about this, which has never been posted, and you are backing up false information with unrelated shit. until you can read yourself and post something that proves the original statement, shut the fuck up and learn how to give proof of something.

>>63587178
Please learn to read and form coherent thoughts before trying to interject.

>>63587365
>you are backing up false information with unrelated shit
I added some true information about another Hololive talent who talked about the same rule in discussion.

>>63587475
no, she talked about asacoco, kiara is presumed to be talking about an outfit accessory, but there is no timestamp or proof she said that. so its unrelated to the discussion.

>>63587365
Don't get your ESL panties in a bunch João, chill
>>>/vt/?task=search&ghost=false&search_text=kiara+sword
>tl;dr
>the artist who drew her outfit included a sword model even though it wasn't demanded by Cover
>as a result, she's not allowed to use it (help me figure out this leap of logic)
>can use an exact PNG replica of the drawing if a fan were to make it (help me figure this one out too)

>>63582492
That seems like EN specific problem to me. I mean yeah we got Shion in JPside, but that's after like four or five years, and her case is more like depression than burnt out anw. Shiokos also aren't annoying so you'll feel bad about making fun of them

>>63587631
wheres the timestamp faggot, I'm not going to the fucking vt archives for proof, post a timestamp or stop talking

I wonder why people even defend these archaic retard jap company practices that clearly demotivate a lot of talents. There is a reason you only get infrequent low effort streams or no streams at all. Or are people happy with just minecraft stream #4276 once a week and the same FOTM game that they got temporary perms for spammed by 40 talents for 2 weeks?

>>63587724
>I'm not going to the fucking vt archives for proof
>keeps arguing with me for 20+ replies over an hour

>>63587794
you cant post actual proof because it doesnt exist

>>63587593
No she was talking about the rules in general. Someone asked if she could explain why Asacoco wasn't coming back or why her other pitches got rejected and she said she can't because of what I mentioned in the first post I made.

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>>63499118
Here's ten posts from yesterday talking about it, now are you going to keep arguing or will you shut the fuck up?

>>63588094
can you read the word "Timestamp"? give a timestamp
A T I M E S T A M P

>>63588141
That's the last reply you'll get from me, goodbye and good luck.

>>63588170
>cant even give a timestamp
pathetic seafag

>>63588141
3:47 pm EST

>>63588141
>wah spoonfeed me waaah spoonfed me.
Fuck off retard.

>>63588248
You need to prove the shit you say faggot

>>63581739
And despite all this bullshit they are still the #1 corp.

Maybe competition should try harder.

>>63588303
Stop being so new and you wouldn't sit here seething and shitting yourself because people don't want to spoonfeed you.

>>63588379
so you are lying and have no proof, posts on vt are not proof

>>63588415
>please spoonfeed me

>>63588415
>>63588238

>open kiara's channel
>go to latest video
>click "show transcript"
>ctrl+F "bonk"
>go back one minute because it was in the middle of the conversation
https://youtu.be/maFu9hfBkv0?t=9890
here's your timestamp this literally took me 30 seconds to do

>>63588415
If this is a bit I have to say it's one of the best I've ever seen

>>63588536
You shouldn't spoonfeed retarded threadreaders

>>63588536
still doesn't count, you took too long

>>63588608
but it's funny to see this guy beg for a half hour and then i find what he's looking for in seconds i don't even watch her

>>63588644
>Seethes and gets farmed for (you)s for an hour +
>Is wrong and gets btfo'd

>>63588729
wrong, I was farming you, retard

>>63581739
What did Kiara have a pissypants tantrum about this time?

>>63588536
its sad that you had to prove their shit for them, thank you. it just sounds like the artist put it in there without clearance from cover, and that makes it so she cant use it.

>>63588644
>>63588823
That's not me btw, that's someone else pretending to be as retarded as I am

>>63588823
>>63588644
>>63588937
stop pretending to be me, jesus christ this is why IDs need to exist on this board

>>63589004
Also flags please?

alright Im quitting because of retarded people like >>63588937 and >>63589004, dont expect any more posts from me

>>63589096
nah, flags are stupid and wouldnt mean anything, people would be able to tell where others are from by how they type

Nijiniggers and their constant lies really are the worst

>>63589193
Welp, guess we'll keep guessing.

>>63582748
Dumbass chud lol

>>63589126
bro stop pretending to be me, wtf get a life

>>63588536
Well thats pretty retarded, I’m struggling to see why this was such a massive problem that cover had to get in the way when the artist made the PNG, permissions autism at it’s finest.

>>63582451
It’s at least partly true, he’s just pretending some of those are arbitrary decisions by Cover rather than being forced on them by circumstances and blowing some others out of proportion. There’s very little there that can genuinely be considered genuine criticism.

>>63583252
>Now tell me how this excuses their perms autism.
Japanese company complies with Japanese law as they understand it because Japan does not have fair use doctrine. Somehow people who are almost too stupid to breathe continue to be surprised by this.
>Why does Ame need to fill out forms in order to use her own different non-offensive Ame models?
Company who wants to license their IP to other for promotional purposes has branding and trade dress standards to prevent the dilution of that IP and to ensure companies they partner with know what they are getting. Holy shit, someone call the president.
>No wonder half of them don't give a fuck anymore.
Just because your oshi is a lazy fuck does not mean Cover bad.

>>63589409
marketing department probably said no

>>63589409
I work in the western entertainment art industry and let me tell you any contract we have covers "all work done for the client".
If I showed up tomorrow with a bunch of extra work my client would just say "hey, cool" and use it. I don't know what the fuck Japan's on.

>>63581739
>Can't sing karaoke unless it's on your karaoke app
Nobody who matters gives a shit, especially if this some horseshit about being assblasted that they don't sing any English songs. When the majority of your audience demographic is weebs, weeb songs are what they are going to want in the first place and it's not worth the time and effort to go through the license fuckery to appease some irrelevant shitters.

>72 IPs
>216 posts

>>63587178
They hating but this is true. Man children are the most fickle people imaginable

>>63588141
Jesus Christ u r insufferable. Go take a walk u fat fuck

>>63589624
"we didnt ask for this, and they will most likely try to get more money out of us, or go crazy if we use it regardless like Mizuryu Kei" or something like that

>>63588536
Didn't this bitch complain about having a sword and shield as part of her main outfit like a year ago?

>>63589442
>Company who wants to license their IP to other for promotional purposes has branding and trade dress standards to prevent the dilution of that IP and to ensure companies they partner with know what they are getting. Holy shit, someone call the president.
How fucking retarded are you?

>>63590183
>they will most likely try to get more money out of us
They can't, there's a contract.
>go crazy if we use it regardless
Let's piss off the guy who made extra for us by not using it cause if we use it he might get pissed off?

>>63590005
It's called a discussion, you could try having one if only you had friends.

>>63590458
It doesn’t make any sense, but it sounds exactly like the schizophrenic paranoia you see from some other japanese companies so it wouldn’t surprise me.

>>63582248
The new Outlast game. Wouldn't surprise me if she doesn't stream because none of the games she likes don't have perms.

>>63590617
>screaming COVER BAD COVER BAD U BOOTLICKER U BOOTLICKER at anyone who tries to prove you wrong
>discussion

>>63590350
Not retarded enough to think anyone bitching about this has a legitimate complaint, fortunately. I don't expect everyone here to understand how character licensing works but you should at least let the adults talk when it comes to things that involve business contracts.

>>63590906
>he can’t even read threads
Grim

>>63590906
>Doesn't read the thread
>Makes up an idea of what the thread probably is in his head
>Starts mocking people based on his idea
Kinda based ngl

>>63590974
It's not the ends, it's the MEANS
>company: does completely retarded thing
>person a: they're doing retarded thing because of trying to achieve x
>person b: ah yes I see, understandable

>>63590974
>complaint
The company even lets them ask for permission. If I worked for them I would just be patient.

>>63581739
Thats mostly holoEN tho
The only one who burned out in jp are Ayame,shion,Aqua and Choco.
All the rest stream regularly and have mostly
succesfull project.

Its a masssive skill issue, the management tend to be a little retarded tho, every single one of the talents had a beef with them at some point.

I still dont understand why people keep yapping about the game perms when everyone knows the fucking reason, if they could they would stream whatever they wanted like they where able tho at the beginning.
Nintendo retard ass literally has multiple permission form that they sometime have to fill you have to ask them one day in advance for some games and the perms are gone the next day .Why would cover be to blame for this ?

>>63587184
Not like OP had any source either but I atleast watch stream so I know he's mixing truth with lie

>>63591582
>does completely retarded thing
Except it's more like "company does thing that seems retarded, but actually isn't, because of how Intellectual Property law works and how these agreements are typically written." I realize it's hard to understand this for people whose brains could be replaced with pea soup and nobody would know the difference, but a lot of things that would be stupid in any other circumstance are not because of various points of law about IP ownership and contracts between businesses. Sometimes these agreements get EXTREMELY stupid, down to inane bullshit like what color the text appearing near a character is allowed to be, how they can be posed, what fucking direction they can face, etc. "We want you to mostly use the appearance your fucking brand as a character is built around" is a pretty normal ask in those situations.

>>63581739
That's a lot of words that I'm not gonna read.

>>63583660
>There been times HoloEN members have only been able to get things done by management because they ask a JP member
>With the JPs advocating for them, not as many of EN ideas would get shot down
Ok I'm legitimately mad right now. Wanted to give the benefit of the doubt but fuck Cover and their JP biased.

>>63583660
Its crazy how polyvalent the Jp side is.
They can play a mute mario party and have 80k people watching they produce event atleast once every months.
HoloEN is getting shafted but I dont think your solution will ever work.
They would all need to learn a new language and some may be motivated but for most is just gonna be a bother can you imagine Forcing Ame to learn jap Or Shion to learn English, its pointless and with how successfull the jp side is they have even less reason to learn it Lap+ even remarked that EOP dont watch her and stopped pandering althogether

>>63590299
probably because that sword and shield look stupid as hell

>>63590299
sword/shield looks like the artist went to a Toys R Us and saw the first fantasy kit they bumped in to

>>63583448
the seethe on this shows how on point you are, the sisters are LIVID kek

>>63581739
>I know on the other end of the spectrum we have chuubas fucking their fans
This is enough, with this you already answered yourself, you NEED to tardwrangle women

>>63588536
Thanks lol I was the one who originally brought it up but had to go to the store because my retarded cat keeps eating my toilet paper. Amazing he seethed for a solid hour + about it.

That's still too much freedom dumbass. They need to
>Actually ban male collabs
>Stop them from teasing/shitting on fans so we can avoid something like the Ame cuckery
>Actually get the idols to stream consistently lest they get fired
>Ban talking about periods or other women shit
And finally we have a company /vt/ can finally look upon with love

>>63594585
unironically this

>>63593534
It's such a smoothbrain solution too, like put it in perspective, why would the bigger branch of a company with a way bigger main audience bother learning the language of a side branch, because that branch is struggling? Should EN learn to speak Indonesian so they can appeal to seanig viewers, too?

>The literal lengths holofags will go to defend their corpo, even if it ruins the happiness and engagement of the girls
You'd be laughing all the way to new years if Niji or Vshojo or some small ass corpo did this shit. Why are we pretending being Cover makes it okay?

>>63595581
>being Cover
idc about other corpos so other anons can continue with their imaginary flag games.

>>63595581
Ruining the happiness of whores is a good thing
Actually good holos have no reason to complain

>>63595581
Unfortunately plenty of anons are only interested in their corpo of choice winning some dumbass weeaboo console war, whether the chuubas are negatively impacted is irrelevant if you can look at the numbers and see Holo is doing good.

>>63588536
Sounds like management won't let Kiara use the sword because it wasn't part of the approved outfit design.

>>63585058
The Suika company took away perms, not Cover.

>>63596695
Does /vt/ even have that much impact?

>>63597063
No, we're an even weaker version of 2012's /v/ and ToRtanic. Glorified spectators acting as if we are making waves

>>63597207
Of course, I don't think even people like T-chan come here.

>>63597063
Other then reddit and Japanese 4chan(nel), what other major vtuber public forum are there?

>>63597389
Does it really matter tho? Why would a serious company listen to console wars or whatever?

>>63597581
Well we know Niji has interns viewing /vt/, I assume Hololive was as well.

>>63597063
We might have a bit of impact but not as much as some people here might think. It’s pretty normal for chuubas to get outed as being /here/ so it’s likely that a few of the bigger corpo chuubas at least read what we post. They may take our autism to heart and adjust their behaviour, or they might entirely ignore or despise us, this likely has very little effect on the actual management side of things.

>>63593534
Management keeps telling the JP members to expand their audience. What better option do they have. They wouldn't have to be that good at English either. Lap+ is dumb, you have to pander to the audience first, she never even pandered to them in the first place.

>>63597624
Huh... I guess that free opinions are worth it.

>>63581739
>t.Nijifaggot
Get better material.

>>63581739
Sadly this is the aftermath of the holocaust and the taiwan incident back in 2020, all these rules are just roadblocks they use to minimize potential yabes as much as possible

>>63595581
How much are you going to seethe and shit yourself in this thread, OP?

>>63595581
It's sad seeing people cheering for corporations over talents.

>>63597985
It makes me laugh that someone seethes this much about Hololive that they make this topic and then samefag up and down it.

>>63597921
It's kinda funny anyway and I wonder if the talents themselves care this much.

>>63598283
Half the shit is made up and it's not like they're stumbling over themselves to quit. We can't get in anon's way of inventing issues though.

>>63587178
100% truth right here. Cover has stupid rules because of stupid fans.

>>63585561
>You could write a novel on all the different ways nintendo has absolutely fucked over both japanese and western content creators over perms just within the last 2 years alone. Companies like ubisoft have also been known to take action against youtubers and jounalists who don't post positive reviews of their games. Nothing has changed from the 2008 viacom assfucking era

>>63598456
I bet there must be fags from leddit ITT and all yare yare.

>>63595581
Nijifags support their talents in spite of the shitty company which is admirable. Vshojofags don't have this issue at all because Vshojo barely does anything corporate-wise. Holofags are just insane.

>>63581871
Don't know the specifics but she said they can't use alternate models unless it's for special occasions. So yes they have to ask. Kiara mentioned Frog Week so maybe that's special enough for her to use Frogiwawa? Smol models are OK since they're official now though.

>niji/phase/idol/etc sucks
>Hell yeah
>Hololive is restrictive and the talents are tired of it
>Well no, because [schizo rambling]

>>63599266
Kill yourself loser

>>63599464
Shouldn't you be shitting on Kiara whenever she rightfully complains about management?

>>63599266
Why would anyone look for the compliments of another fanbase?

I just don't get why they don't relax the perms shit to like, at least Nijisanji's level where (as someone who rarely watches Nijis but has noticed they often get away with playing more obscure or weird games) it basically doesn't come up in the fanbase as a major impediment to the talents

Like Nina and Hana Macchia's managers probably weren't messaging Consumer Softproducts for Cruelty Squad perms, right?

>>63600088
because of the holocaust, newfag

>>63600088
>Nijisanji
Who?

>>63600161
That's not an answer. If everyone else is doing just fine I have to think Cover's legal department is incompetent to still be afraid of their own shadows and be messaging even indie developers for permission to stream games after this many years. Hololive gets big boy sponsorships and individual talents from the company are some of the biggest streamers in youtube, no fucking way they have no bargaining power at this point

>>63600088
The nijien perms guy actually did his job is all
>>63600161
Holo and niji both have to get perms

>>63600324
Nobody asked you

>>63600324
Cover isnt doing things by half measures, where niji is probably playing fast and loose with that shit, thinking that the risk is outweighed by the reward. And since the risk is just firing one of their talents its not that big of a deal because they have so many so each talent is just a drop in the bucket.

>>63600472
So how would you fix it?

>>63600472
I like that about Cover if that's the case, security first.

>>63600585
overthrow the japanese and united states government and fix their copyright laws, its the only way

>>63595550
I think this anon is maybe kinda right >>63597677 it seem stupid right now since Hololive is on their conquering Japan path but at some point if they wanna grow even better learning english would be of some help.
Like I said earlier I really doubt you can force it but if they can convince atleast some of the spearheads of hololive like Suisei, Pekora , marine Subaru and etc they would greatly benefits from that and would gain even more fame in japan since popularity oversea beget even more popularity in your home country most of the time.

>>63600698
Boy, that escalated quickly.

>>63600698
>overthrow the japanese and united states government and fix their copyright laws
I'll get right on it

>289 / 13 / 90 / 1
Niji/Idol/Phase/Vshojo shitters samefagging all day still trying to make this stick thinking they have any effect on the status quo. It's nearly 2024, so here's to more of your shitters getting graduated or terminated while no one in holo leaves despite them "hating" management. cheers

t. Holochad

>>63600865
Based.

>>63582555
>WAAAH I WANT THEM TO PLAY FOTM SLOP

>>63600865
cheers my friend

>>63600472
>niji is probably playing fast and loose with that shit
Or maybe the people in charge of that shit at niji occasionally do their job
Serioulsy holos talk all the time about how much of a pain getting permissions is just because the people responsible for them can‘t even be bothered to write an email

>>63581739
It's what you get for blatantly ignoring rules before, there's no breathing room anymore now that every eye are on you at every turn waiting for you to fuck up, then your talents will take the fall with the corp again.

>>63601005
I will admit thats also a possibility, but also Niji never got hit as hard as Hololive. I think the issue is more eyes on less talents leads Hololive to have a higher chance of their shit being noticed by IP holders. And after being burned once, Cover doesnt want to take any chances.

>>63600916
>FOTM SLOP
Fuck that, I'm good with what we have.

>>63600865
Cheers mate, heres to 2024, Connect the world 2 and EN4

>>63600472
>where niji is probably playing fast and loose with that shit
That's what a tribalfag would like to believe. In reality they're just better at it.
>>63601198
>Niji never got hit as hard as Hololive
They never got hit at all because they always got permission.

>>63601332
>Niji management is better
lol not even people that watch niji nor the organs themselves believe that

>>63588536
man that's retarded.
Thinking about that, it's probably also the reason why the artist that did amazing fight scenes in Holomyth vs Ina was so neutered in her alter lore video.

>>63600916
But they do play fotm slop
Just usually a month or so later than others

>>63601496
>people that watch niji
They're kinda creepy ngl.

>>63601496
>they're better at getting permission
>they're better
Maybe you should have read the whole post instead of getting two words in abandoning it to search for your retarded laughing dragon picture you braindead idiot.

>>63601332
>They never got hit at all
thats not true, just look at elden ring vods that got deleted because some idiots left on monitization

>>63601251
Enjoy your pre-recorded "live"
Sorry real live shows are too much of a risk

>>63601661
That's a retarded talent issue, not a permission issue.

>>63601198
>Niji never got hit as hard as Hololive
Weird
I wonder why

>>63601251
Why is making nice content and doing things right such an issue to people outside of holo?

>>63582507
Honestly, I think it's the company getting bigger and more profitable and as such the people who actually own it now give a shit enough to start actively getting involved.

Kinda like how Disney will let a smaller project do what they want cause it literally means nothing to them if it fails, but bigger projects get butchered to hell to meet 'standards'

>>63601992
SUCCESS BREEDS JEALOUSY

>>63601968
Niji fanbase is known to mass report their competitors

>>63590906
you trying to make this topic appear that hyperbolic really just reflects poorly on you, we can see for ourselves. weak apologism.

>>63602091
actually it's because niji got permission from the start while cover didn't know they needed it because it's run by nerds who made a pingpong game who had no idea what they were doing

>>63602182
do you have proof of that?

>>63583000
>Get payed because people want to watch you play games
>Can't play the games that people want to watch you play because of autism
>Forced to play shit no one cares about or the same one game everyone else has played nonstop for weeks to months

Reminder that indo posters were never the problem and we need to campaign to get rid of pinoys instead.

>>63602028
Really, everyone can go at their own pace. If niji does something better good for them but I still don't care about it as much as other stuff.

>>63581739
Gosh darn it, Cover is so bad that all the talents are probably ready to jump ship and join Niji instead so they don't have to follow any of these STRICT rules!

>>63583714
It's the perfect representation of company mindset.

>Do something people actually like
>Get reprimanded for it
>Company sees people like thing and proceeds to massively profit off it
>Company pretends they were always in on it
>Nothing learned

>>63583660
Stop with your pasta, schizo.
>>63023524
>>63026655

>>63602091
If all it took to make niji have their own holocaust were a couple reports from holofans it would have happened by now

>>63583726
The treacherous member was exposed and yet she continues to be part of the company.

>>63602651
>a couple
Yeah sure, a targeted attack is just like, 5 guys in an apartment. Also, hololive fans just dont feel like trying to do that to another company. They can just point and say "you're kinda shit" and niji just have a melt down.

>coco single-handedly cripples Cover's connections to the Chinese market
>touts freedom and calls corpo vtubing literally slavery
>people believe it
>current day state of vtubing
>western indies and small corpos can't afford to rent mocap suits or the studio time to actually record shit
>none of it would be profitable anyway because their audiences are too small to recoup the costs
>they can't help themselves getting scammed by merch drop middlemen
>they also get scammed by MV and animation studio producer middlemen because they have no way to make proper contacts to actual professional businesses
>every western twitch indie vtuber is currently sleeping on stream and in perma-subathon mode because it's the only way they can pay the bills
>even if the people in question are rolling in money, it all goes to doordash garbage meals and gacha instead of producing cool events for their communities
At least there's some accountability for content creators to actually do shit even if it's mandated corpo events. I don't know why people think Hololive is just playing vidya anyway, considering a lot of indies and small corpos would kill to have the same connections that Cover does to produce the exact same shit that they put out.

None of it makes sense either. It's clearly two different markets. I would honestly love for the western vtube scene to actually produce something of value other than trying to emulate Cover's idolshit. Make a gameshow. Make an actual game like VR Chat but for vtubers. I don't fucking know. I swear to god, there's no fucking endgame for EN vtubers. Filian at least tries to branch out, but the rest of it is just a mountain of trash.

>>63602471
I'm fine with the quality control, business is often something strict after all.

>>63584853
Good, RUST is a shitty game.

>>63602738
>Yeah sure, a targeted attack is just like, 5 guys in an apartment.
We‘re talking about reporting some videos not blowing up the pentagon, one sufficiently dedicated schizo could start a huge shitshow if niji really plays fast and loose with perms.

>>63587760
Genuinely as bad as those people that see Nintendo lawyers waterboarding a kid for showing 3 seconds of Mario gameplay in a review and praise them for defending their copyright

>>63603037
sure, but it seems that niji is doing just fine damaging their own reputation recently.

>>63585058
Didn't they have perms then that game company went schizo and took them. Then gave them back when the girls started playing fan remakes only for most of the girls to decide not to play the original anymore?

>>63603133
correct

>>63603123
Risks like those just suck, who cares?

>>63581739
>>What managers do suggest is retarded shit (Gura please sing crazy frog)
>>You can fund a project completely out of pocket and have it cancelled at the very end
>>Get no support, have to fund your own shit, figure out your own shit, and hope it pleases Cover (else they will just tell you no)
>On top of that the support staff seems slow as fuck, has laughed at talents for asking shit before, has berated talents, and actively shirks their responsibilities according to the girls. I don't care how much "japanese autism" justifies this, you gotta look at it from the perspective of the people they're hiring. No one wants to deal with this shit.
the joys of hiring women as executive members of staff

>>63593529
It’s not even necessarily bias, the JPs are more used to fighting JP corporate bullshit and have more people with the will to do so. Most ENs don’t have the prior experience to know how to get their way and are too naturally timid to do it when they realize what they have to do.

>>63603133
It's funny cause it still works in the sense that it shows Japanese companies are run by actual retards

>Make an okay game
>Explodes in popularity because streamers are playing it
>Get angry because they don't have your permission
>Take away their ability to stream it
>People stop playing your game
>mfw

>>63603648
It's their fight at the end of the day but I just hope that they know some of us are okay with it and can also wait for the results.

>>63602261
yea

>>63604377
can you post it?

>>63604487
just go to an old ass niji's channel and open a gaming stream from 4 years ago it's right there in the description

>>63581739
>Can't make any references to brands even if they come up in everyday context
suisei literally talked about louis vuitton a few days ago. wtf schizo kys

>>63604554
Suisei isn't EN

So would Holos be a allowed to claim they are sponsored by Dee's Nuts®

>>63604528
Ok so no proof

>>63582623
You're a fucking retard if you think a history stream would ever go well. Do you know the fucking crowd that'd bring in? I wouldn't be surprised to see racist /pol/ shit instantly being spouted.
Think for even a single second and you'd see why that shit would never fly, anon. It's not rocket-science.

>>63605456
Should have chosen a different theme for Mumei then

>>63605490
Korone should bark more too

>>63586934
Stay out of the loop, friendless loser.

>>63583326
She left because she's a chink-lover. She unironically kneels to chinese companies. She's a shit-tier gacha artist who only wanted to play gacha games.
Good riddance that she's gone.

>>63605689
>prioritized her actual career over streaming minecraft
Dumb bitch am I right

>>63605689
Who?

>>63605823
probably some nijiwhore idk

>>63606080
kek

>>63593534
>HoloEN is getting shafted
Some of that is their own fucking fault. Listen to Kiara's whiny negativity about EN doing something like the sports festival, for example. JP and ID can somehow both manage events, and ID is even smaller than EN and more economically disadvantaged, yet somehow EN just can't manage to scrape together the motivation to do anything remotely aspirational as a branch. Dealing with management that's in another country that has an anal-retentive way of doing things fucking sucks, but let's face the facts, part of the issues facing EN as a branch are of their own making.

>>63587760
Accepting it as a reality we have no power to change is not the same thing as defending it you fucking nincompoop. When the Japanese parliament starts holding elections for seats in the middle of arsefuck nowhere I'll get right on that.

>>63593540
That wasn't the source of her complaint though, it was some shit about not wanting to be seen as a melee fighter type of person, the same kind of autism as Flare and her bowshit. So yeah, it's a little fucking weird that she's changing her tune now.

>>63608098
...

>>63595438
you people need to be killed or humanity will never advance

>>63603648
>JPs are more used to fighting JP corporate bullshit
Actually that's kind of a good point, it's not just being used to it, it's about knowing and following the "proper" protocols which for better or for worse is kind of important when it comes to JP business tism

Many are so trigger-happy.

>>63589346
ywnbaw

>>63583660
There's less EN members, therefore they need to learn Japanese.