/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

What the actual fuck is this thread lol

>>64813719
idc about her or hololive but I'm 100% sure that's not what she said and you are a retarded ESL monkey

>>64813802
OP seething endlessly at an orange woman for voicing her concerns 1 (one) time.

>>64813890
>god forbit
Ya think?

>>64813922
You think shittalking management in the open should be sllowed?

>>64814351
>AIIEEE NOT CORPO-SAMA!!!
Nijinigger moment

>>64813719
Orange woman bad.

>>64814351
yes, you act like if you had a job with shit managers you wouldn't say something about it

>>64814351
Yes
Next question

I dont warch kiara but in the abc on content creators is the rule of never bitch about bad stuff like bad numbers or money out loud

>>64814351
yes

>>64814351
yes, it should be allowed.
Transparency warrants accountability

>>64813719
Kiara have been around Japanese management long enough to know that if no one said anything Myth might not have a 3D anniversary even in 2024. If management is still angry with Myth even during the summer they might never find any studio time. At the very least she wanted fans to know that Myth wanted a 3D anniversary.

>>64813890
Watch the clip; watch the stream. Producing the 3D live and album were hard because of behind-the-scenes stuff, which made her sad and think about graduating (although not seriously). Because before Hololive those things were much easier apparently.

The entitlement is just too much for me and I had to vent.

>>64813719
?

>>64814351
If you talk shit about your boss in like 99% corps you get fired, so you can do it at the cost of your job

>>64814617
>Myth wanted a 3D anniversary
>Gura
>Ame
>Even Ina
>Wanting
R O R U

>>64813719
Yeah orange woman bad
didn't read you post

>>64813719
If it gets too frustrating, take some time off. Take a break, ala Gura.

>>64814351
Yes, corporate cocksuckers like you who oshi the company instead of the talents should be dragged out in the street and beheaded.

>>64814834
lmao Gura can't even be bothered to show up and play amogus much less a fucking concert

Reminder that a good amount of comments on the dramafags were shitting on kiara for complaining

>>64813922
one time a day, maybe

>>64814628
>although not seriously
You should graduate yourself for making this shit ass bait thread then. Wtf is wrong with you

Myth should graduate together and set up their own company.

>>64814972
Concerts are the few things that still attracts Gura

>>64813922
>one time
Yes. One time THIS WEEK. And one time last week. And one time the week before. It’s a pattern of behavior.

>>64813719
ORANGE WOMAN BAD!

>>64815106
100% this
Mori should go first to begin and set up operations, the other girls should follow in about a million years

>>64815252
No, they need to graduate together at the same time.

>>64813719
Just so random catalogreaders know, Kiara was extremely positive this stream
>happy for the reception her 3D live got
>ENs had a meeting yesterday which left them all optimistic
>had lots of concerns this year, most of them were addressed
>she seems sure of getting her next birthday 3D live on time
>more and more opportunities for all of EN in 2024

>>64814351
yes

>>64815503
Based Chimkin

>>64814351
Yes, bad management is torturous

>>64813719
She says this shit every year.

>>64815099
Because even thinking about it in passing is peak entitlement. She is living her dream, on a much grander scale than she could've ever hoped for back when she was a flesh streamer broke in Japan and forced to leave because her visa ran out.
I would be ashamed thinking about graduating for a fraction of a moment and even voicing that thought on stream.
I just can't empathize with KFP, having such an unlikeable Oshi.

>>64813719
>Kiara didn't explain why she thought about graduating
>OP starts hallucinating and inserts his own schizo headcanon
>gets mad about the headcanon he invented
Keep seething lol

>>64813719
I really don't give a shit about anything you just said

Orange woman is bad, all's right with /vt/.

>>64814351
>>64814425
>>64814471
Yes, that's an unprofessional behaviour
>inb4 bootlicker
no, that's how the world works, you faggots should know if you have a job, either say it on their face or shut up, if she already did, she's free to quit if the management wont greenlight what she wants

>>64815866
/vt/ has strongly respected Kiara since 2022 and there's nothing you can do but cry about it

>>64814351
Watch em change their tone the moment a Holostar says it.

>>64813922
OP and orange chicken are the same

>>64814351
NOOOOOO THINK OF THE HECKIN COMPARINOOOOOOSSSS

>>64813719
if gura graduates, myth is done. kiara's just trying to milk kfp for pity SCs as much as she can.

>>64816356
>/vt/ has strongly respected Kiara
Lol, LMAO even

Well, when? 2023 is almost over and you should too before 2024 started.

>>64816715
I genuinely think Yagoo is willing to throw whatever needs to be thrown to keep her. She's the icon of the corpo now and even that Jap guy referenced her when he went on his pedo rant of CGDCT

>>64816356
Nobody respects Kiara. Not even Kiara herself. Otherwise, she would never have agreed to do those "videos".

>>64816715
>superchats were off

>>64816715
Aloe's graduation made 5th gen one of the most consistently tight knit groups in Holo
after Coco graduated everyone in 4th gen started doing better
after Rushia got fired, 3rd gen reached its greatest heights
after Sana left, CouncilRyS formed and became stronger than before

>>64815503
HoloEN actually having a meeting were they were optimistic afterwards is shocking news. Considering how things are going with Gura and Ame didn't seem like the mood was going to improve for at least a few months.

>>64817292
retard

>>64815503
>bitching about management actually worked and now they're scrambling to "improve" EN delivery
AIIIIEEE THIS WASN'T HOW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO NIJIBROS

>>64814351
Yes

>>64816715
>Gura graduating would somehow cause teamates, takodachis, deadbeats, and KFP to stop giving money to their oshis
Hey anon, are you aware you're retarded?

>>64816721
>Lol, LMAO even
It's the truth and that's why you're seething. Kiara anti threads like this just get mocked and ignored because /vt/ respects Kiara.

Kiara wishes she was as persecuted as Pomu

>>64814351
Yes, when it's by girls that I like and agree with. No, when it's by girls I dislike or saying things I disagree with. In this case, I think Cover should have had Kiara murdered for speaking out.

>>64816715
>Chumbuds actually believe this
It's over. Their braincells are completely cooked from coping for most of the year.

>>64817771
>Cover murders Kiara
>she just respawns
Didn't think that one through, did you?

>>64817683
>/vt/ respects Kiara.
>>64816846
lmao

>>64818063
Was that deleted post supposed to be something?

>>64813719
"How DARE she think of something when she was sad but didn't actually do it" yea you sound fucking stupid mate.

>>64813719
It's funny because she was the happiest I've ever seen her in a long time in this stream and talked about multiple different upcoming 3D ideas and seemed pretty confident about her 3D birthday live happening on time with no delays this year What ever happened in the meeting last night must've had some pretty good news for EN, I guess. But feel free to have a meltdown about her I guess, she is never leaving. Same with Mori. Seethe for eternity.

>>64818454
Is Mori and Kiara not having any serious chance of leaving for multiple years if them just staying until the end one of the main reasons why they constantly have retards doing shit like this? I mean, I have no doubts that other Myth members are also going to stay for a long time even if they're currently burned out. But with Mori and Kiara they pretty much confirmed that they're in for the long haul multiple times before.

>>64816334
It's not boot-licking, it's just common sense when you have a professional reputation to uphold and are probably contractually obligated to not talk shit.
It's fine to criticize the management, only when you have enough professional cred to back it up. But nobody who has the slightest professionalism does so on the public square while they're employed. If they have enough clout to speak up, it means they also have the internal connections to get things moving, usually, or they can quit and go work elsewhere easily. And then they can write a blog post about their former employer if they want, once they're not contractually obligated to not criticize them publicly anymore.
It's common practice to explicitly stipulate in work contracts that the contractor/employee won't do anything to harm the company willingly. Talking shit about the company management and broadcasting it to thousands of people definitely falls under that, and I'm guessing especially when the corporation is publicly traded.

>>64818740
Saying "it would be nice if EN could get some stuff for once" isn't shit-talking management you trannybrained freakshow. Seethe forever when Cover doesn't even care and if anything, complied and seemingly gave EN more for 2024 to make things right.

>>64818454
>about multiple different upcoming 3D ideas and seemed pretty confident about her 3D birthday live happening on time with no delays this year
>What ever happened in the meeting last night must've had some pretty good news for EN, I guess
I know this is a bait thread, but please explain

>>64818740
>But nobody who has the slightest professionalism does so on the public square
Yes they do. It's called being smart. If you know putting public pressure on management could result in management getting its shit together then criticizing them in the public square is exactly what you do.

soooo is she graduatjng or not?

>>64818967
Entire EN branch had a meeting last night. What can be assumed based on how happy Kiara was today and her constantly talking about 3D related things is that management is having better studio capacity and scheduling. And went from not being sure if she would get another 3D live or if Myth would get a full gen 3D anniversary stream this year at all like a month ago to outright saying that her next 3D concert is in summer, which could mean that she is having a birthday concert around the time of her birthday, or it could just be on her birthday with no delay. Now the question is if Myth will get the full gen anniversary 3D collab or not. But management seems to be way more open to 3D for EN so far after that meeting. Again, that's just assuming what the meeting was about based on the fact that Kiara was talking alot about future 3D things while confirming another 3D live in the future and was just generally in a really good mood the entire stream.

>>64819140
No

>>64816715
You're a joke.

>>64817683
hey anon are you aware how to greentext? or do only know how to call other people a retard like your oshi kiara

>>64819720
that's your oshi kiara anon. trying so much for pity SCs. I hate that Gura has to be in the same gen as her. she doesn't deserve it.

>>64820321
>>64817010

>>64820321
Gura is the face of EN vtubing. It's slowly eroding away though with each and every passing month where she never streams. You can see the trends at anime cons, which have a large overlap with vtuber fans. There's been less and less Gura at booths every con I go to and more and more of the other girls as people slowly move on.

>>64813719
does this harlot do anything other that complain about his job? "oh boohoo I have it so hard here you guys" I hope she goes to nijisanji then she will realize what a real black company is.

>>64813719
good to see the kiaraschizo is at it again
will it reply to itself 30 more times on its thousndth vpn ip?

>>64813719
So did she announce her graduation or are you just click baiting for a drama thread? Please reconsider what you're doing with your life even if you are just posting on 4chan.

>>64820802
The exact opposite, OP is just mad and rehashing

>>64815866
>Because even thinking about it in passing is peak entitlement
Kiara thoughtcrimes kek

>>64817292
Imagine how great things would be if they ALL graduated! Cover could continue to milk their merch for 5 years without having to pay them anything.

>>64817292
>after Coco graduated everyone in 4th gen started doing better
Name 1 collab yonkisei did in the last 3 years.

>>64819402
Wait, if it was branch wide, why did Kiara complain about Gura not responding to her amongus message? she could have asked her then. I doubt everyone was there

>>64821199
Doesn't seem to work that way with NijiEN.

>>64821748
>why did Kiara complain about Gura not responding to her amongus message?
This is fiction by the way.

>>64819402
Myth won't get any kind of big anniversary stuff because that would require Gura and Ame to stop being depressed failures.

>>64813802
OP's mental illness on full display

Holy shit, in b4 OP gets banned for replying to himself about 30 times

>>64820478
We need Gura back to make HoloEN great again.
With a new gen, still just talk about Gura.

>>64814351
>should be allowed
It already is allowed

>>64822090
>August 1-7th
>Any more or less time instantly invalidates the graph
Haha, you're so funny Anon.

>>64822090
Deron above Nui this is so BS

>>64822090
Nobody talks about her, until a super fan like you brings her up for no reason. If you were even slightly a serious person you would understand that the first EN gen did irrevocable damage to vtubers and their potential to spread to English markets. You have to be serious and clearly state the conditions you're hoping for: The world has to be plunged into a new age of isolation due to a deadly plague, loneliness spreads everywhere, everyone becomes a lolicon, and Gura develops genuine talent instead of riding a few memes.

>>64821425
She really was the leader of the group

>>64815503
Imagine standing up for yourself instead of letting corporate walk all over you, what a crazy concept.

>>64814351
草草草

A Kiara 3D in PRIME TIME JP hours couldn't peak more viewers than the dogs hanging .pngs on a tree.

Bau Bau motherfluffers.

>>64822729
You must be blind

>>64813719
>NijiEN defends their management
>HoloEN shit talks their management
who is the black company now huh?

>>64822289
Doesn't matter when.
With Gura back, she brings tens of thousands back to HoloEN.

>>64824026
The stream was waving at me.

>>64824077
No, I just don't engross myself in the same content and threads you seem to. To the overwhelming vast majority of chuubas and their fans, your number one might as well not exist. You start to be able to understand reality and think seriously when you can understand the truth in what I'm saying. Until then you're just a delusional super fan or super hater.

>>64824269
What the fuck are you trying to prove here? The two days that have drastically less viewers in general have half the girls streaming and the other is with Bae and Kronii.

>>64824362
Don't you mean most dedicated fans?

>>64824476
Numbers don't lie.
When she returns, you know damn well she'll bring thousands back to HoloEN.

>>64824026
>money earned by Kiara's 3D concert
>$7000
>money earned by Fuwamoco's .png stream
>$1000
But Kiara lost, right?

>>64813802
The average phase connect fan making a thread

>>64815866
>I would be ashamed thinking about graduating for a fraction of a moment
You can't live like that, man.

You guys are just gonna hit bump limit arguing about an entirely different thing huh

>>64824850
5 days in a row. It's actually kind of concerning now.

>holo vs holo
nice thread nijigroid

>>64824642
Like I said from the start, she has the most casual appeal which is why you'd see her the most in places like artist alleys at cons. But her representation has been decreasing a ton over the last year. In 2021, she was plastered on 1/3rd of the booths in the AA, which is insane and usually takes something like an extremely popular shonen or a splash in the water like Spy X Family. It was pretty strong up until late 2022 and those artists will always go where the money is. While there's less Gura, there's still generally the same amout of vtuber related goods, so Gura's share in the marketplace has been on the decline for over a year.

>>64824850
Might as well. There isn't much to say about the actual topic considering it's just schizophrenic delusions made up by OP.

>>64813719
Take your meds please

>>64813719
Anon, streaming is at most, 20-30% of their work. You are a fucking retard by making this thread. This reeks of SEA, but they don't know what work is.

>>64824274
i refuse to believe this is the dogs doing. surely someone in holo staff is just THAT much of a diehard for them?

>>64824983
Of course, it's been declining. But even with her absence, it's still among the top of EN.
Even without her streaming, her channel continually gets double the views of non-holos that do stream.
That's amazing.
We all wish her back. Probably after the holidays.

>>64813719
Get better taste/get your brains checked. In reality, tons of content creators work harder than this bitch but nobody cares about them because they have nothing of value to offer. What does this bitch have offer? mid performances and poor production value?
>30K with the blue dorito brand power
No shit Sherlock, she should graduate

>>64825536
good luck on the next audition, sister

>>64825443
She had 42 videos/streams this year outside of a handful of collabs. She's not 'coming back' to her old self ever.

>>64815503
Dimitri is doing amazing, /#/ was right
Total Hololive dominance

>>64815106
>Gura still won't stream
>Ame still won't stream on a regular basis
>Ina won't still stream unless she's done making art for chink gacha games
>Mori streams
>Kiara streams

GRIM COMPANY

>>64826275
I still have no idea what constitutes Ame's inconsistency. Like the girl isn't lazy like Gura or held up by an actual job like Ina...

>>64824692
>Big event vs holiday themed stream
Retard

>>64826391
They were comparing a botted stream with a non-botted stream so all logic is thrown out of the window.

>>64821425
I think they played Mario Kart once

>>64826275

>>64826756
What part of "When she's done drawing for chink gatchas" did you not understand?

Can you imagine how depressing it is to put your heart and soul into your work and see some lazy pedo-panderer continue to make tons of cash and get all the fanart even though she literally does nothing but sit on her fat ass and eat pizza while not working?

>>64826756
Please do not disrupt the threadreader fanfiction hour.

>>64826356
Ame has always been lazy and narcissistic af, Covid and closing borders gave her opportunity to express her narcissism via Walfie 3D. Now her motivation dies down as the real skills are required and she can't just fool around anymore

>>64826869
Can you imagine how retarded you look for that posting that shit-tier bait?

>>64825443
>We all wish her back.
I stopped worrying about what she does or doesnt and moved on to other chuubas.

I don't ever catch the first parts of Gura's "return" streams. Does she apologize? Act natural? Shift blame and expectations?

>>64826869
anything is better than this skank who doxed Subaru's home address, she belong to the streets/in jail, not hololive
>pedo-panderer
look who is talking, subhuman KFP couldn't even be bothered to watch Kiara streams, otherwise you would know that Kiara just sang the pedo-pandering song for views and clout

>schizo egg thread
>devolves into /#/
pottery

>>64827054
He wanted to respond to himself in 'defense of Gura', so he set up that shitpost to do so. Just see the only other reply to it.

>>64819402
They'll have more 3D events, but they will always include at least one JP member. They will then accommodate the JP member by speaking exclusively in Japanese.

>>64813719
>Imagine being in a company where you can put in as much or as little effort as you want and still be able to thrive financially and professionally.
So Cover Corporation is Valve Corporation?

>>64813719
and here we are again another monthly kiara mememe drama lmao, lets see how the kfps do mental gymnastics saying orange woman deserves everything and how the world is against her.

Schizo bros, do we like this or anti this? I am confused!

>>64813719
>Wawa: Bitches for attention
>Attention-seeker on /vt/: Look at this drama

OP, what kind of faggot does this make you? Are you as bad as her right now?

OOOF

>>64815194
every time we have an orange woman drama they rpetend is only that one time and that she is totally justified chimping out about the thing shes mad that week, you get used to kfps, honestly it becomes entertaining specially when they start accusing people of multifagging .

>>64828914
That explains it, I thought the schizos were friendly firing at each other since the replier would’ve thought the ‘pedo panderer’ part was referring to Kiara.

Myth not that close to disband and build a new company together. Ame Gura Ina is just want to do what they like, Mori and Kiara after all the thing is the only who really close to each other

>>64829559
>specially when they start accusing people of multifagging
I mean, when multiple shitposts constantly gets [deleted] at the exact same time on an almost daily basis, even a braindead idiot would start to connect the dots.

90% of all EN problems would disappear if they removed the JP managers and installed actually competent EN managers

>>64827660
Idk I think every shit bait thread turns into number fags trying to show the numbers (they’re also the stupid ones other number fags laugh at)

These threads are so much fun. KFP raging to defend Kiara's honor. Everyone else sniffing petrol and having a good time posting. Which fat guy in an orange shirt is going to reply next?

>>64829417
Funny thing about that, she's happier than ever. She got what she wanted. OP is still mad though

>>64829542
Making this comparison is elevating OP much higher than she deserves.
>Wawa
>is cute
>whines for attention in front of a real audience who love her
>makes money while doing it

>OP
>is brown
>whines for attention in front of an anonymous crowd uninterested enough to samefag all over the thread
>does it entirely for free or even pays for it out of his pocket

>>64815503
https://youtu.be/utYHf98xFl0?t=2050
Good meeting, Kiara was relieved by what she heard from management, and is now looking forward to 2024. How mysterious and she couldn't give any details since the meeting was confidential. She could only say that 2024 will be a good year. Gura and Ame went on a solo stream hiatus so it looked like the contract renewal fight would continue for a few months but maybe they have already reached a settlement. Might take several weeks to work out the small details but that would explain why they were in a good mood.

>>64818063
Why are you crossposting your own post retardbro

>>64815503
If whatever happened in this meeting gets Ame back at it then I will consider kneeling to chicken, but I probably still won't watch her.

>>64830982
Where are you from that sniffing petrol is something you do while "having a good time"?

>>64830982
this post literally reads like its from reddit

>>64813719
don't all the holo talents essentially organize their lives themselves? I remember one of them talking about deciding on a specific camera angle.

>>64833779
There are directors too but yea. Kiara had no issues with hers either

>>64827660
KFP are the biggest number lovers going. They also use it to shit on the others.
>>64769216

>>64834635
Oh dear, not a good look. You can tell it's them by the army of KFP samefagging after too.

>>64834635
>all that [deleted]
damn you got cooked yesterday

>>64827047
>ame
>narcissistic
baffling post

>wow so shocked that kiara, chuuba with a 90 percent sea fanbase has fans that are /#/ obsessed
in other news, the sky is blue

>>64834635
>>64765356
>>64765995
>>64766072
ahahahaha what the fuck? are you kidding me?

>>64835236
MY FUCKING SIDES

>>64835236
Always the clown of the catalog. Never change, Kiaraschizo.

>>64835108
Yeah you're right, it's just funny to watch them cry about /#/ while being the worst abusers.

>>64816356
I'll never respect Kiara. People only got tired of the constant seethe threads and stopped engaging but she's still an unlikable and ungrateful cunt and that will never change.

>Where's my solo concert, Yagoo?
>Where's Myth 3D anniversary, Yagoo?
>It's the least you could do for me.

>>64835236
>confidently saying kfp doesn’t have proof of him running away from his own bait threads exactly right after the post was made
That fucking timing, holy shit

>>64835108
>>64835561
Man linking that thread did not help you huh
>>64761157

>>64835236
holy shit no mercy from the kenzies

>>64835733
>>64815503

>>64835741
what makes it funnier is him claiming kfp hates fauna while never actually providing any proof
and once that guy posted proof, he just went the classic “a-actually all those towa spammers are kfp” cope, while also ignoring the fact that he did in fact ran away from the thread

>>64835108
It’s always funny seeing this posted because SEA used to be the biggest Kiara antis

>>64835793
>talk about the viewerbase
>retard barges in with SC numbers as if they're related
numbers obsessed and ESL, shocker

>>64836009
Someone post the KFP tuk tuks

>>64835851
Oh, alright. Then it is ok for her to shit talk her company that she owes everything to like an ungrateful cunt. Thank you for your input.

>>64836104
>talk
Yes, you are are talk and full of shit.
Time to post proof or neck yourself.

>>64836264
Why is this SEAcreature replying to me like I can understand it? Ew, get it away. Someone post numbers so it gets distracted

>>64836009
Basically what >>64761742 said. They stopped shitposting about Kiara, so he got mad at them for not helping him shitpost anymore. I’ve noticed a lot of ‘KFP are SEA’ posts, and I don’t think he realize the irony that even SEA can move on from being obsessed with the orange woman but not him.

>>64813802
its a weird rrat that turned into a whole ass fanfic

>>64836104
>make claim about viewerbase %
>actual data suggests otherwise
That's on you

man, linking that old thread REALLY didn’t help him at all

>>64814628
I wonder if that's why she's reaching out to indies and small corpos

>>64836523
basically turning this thread into a repeat

>>64836628
Isn’t that every Kiara bait thread for the past few years? Including the part where they always end up obsessing over KFP more than Kiara after the first thirty posts?

>>64836906
>they always end up obsessing over KFP
Huh. You know, I actually never noticed that. I kinda get anti-ing a chuuba, but anti-ing a fanbase is another level of mental illness.

>>64814351
Yeah Nijinigger, since it proves that Cover is not a black company like Anycolor

>>64835716
>I will never respect
No one cares about the respect of someone that has been seething constanyly for 3 years kek

>>64813719

So this is schizophrenia huh

>>64838716
kek

>>64814351
Anon, you're asking /vt/ nobody here has a job

>>64814351
yes

>>64815503
huh, well maybe that graduation I was hinting at recently in various threads won't happen.
Good stuff management, you got off your ass.

>>64835793
>9.18%
So the SEArystocrat claim was true after all

>>64815503
I don't give a shit about Kiara but if the addressed concerns mean that things will be better for Fuwamoco, then I'm happy

>>64824026
>>64825328
There is one rich asshole in /#/ who was mad about Ironlung not being respected or included there the way he wanted and so now he spends thousands of dollars a week botting the dogs' streams to try and see if he can get their channel banned, demonitized, or taken out of the Youtube algorithm. Look up "IMfag" in the archives. It's an ongoing problem.

>>64813802
Phase fags been seetheing none stop for days now

>>64814351
Nijikek we shit on the company and allow the talents to shit on them too when they do a bad…..

>>64825862
Look forward to her metamorphosis.
Restarting is nothing new to her.

>>64827074
>I stopped worrying about what she does or doesnt and moved on to other chuubas.
Yet, keep talking about her. Right, buddy. Try to be honest with yourself.

And even if she did say that, what's wrong about it?
"She wanted the concert!" That's why she has fucking management? People MEANT to be good at organizing this kind of stuff? Managers literally are networkers that are supposed to get you in touch with the right people.
Have we finally reached the point in talent hate where we expect the girls to be manager and talent? What's Cover's job in your ideal dream world, actually? Being A Pimp Named Slickback?

>>64814351
Allowed? It should be encouraged, bad publicity is the only way to get a business to do anything. 90% of their employees could quit and they won't bat an eye but if they start trending on twitter they'll change their tune real fucking quick.

>>64815503
>for all of EN in 2024
So just her and Advent? The others gave up.

>>64813719
>should shitting on management be allowed?

I mean, Suisei does that all the time, why shouldn't orange woman be allowed to?

>>64814351
Yes.

>>64814617
>Kiara have been around Japanese management long enough to know that if no one said anything
This is the opposite of how Japanese management works

>>64813719
She needs to understand that we don't care about her music and she needs to start moaning more on stream.

>>64841795
>we

>>64814351
she can do anything but she will be isolated. i wouldnt want to get close to such a hysterical woman. irl isnt like the internet. you can easily lose your friends if you act like an angry internet mob or a woke activist.

>>64815503
thank you chiggen
wishing kiara the best

>>64816334
>I don't lick boots because i like the tase, I just have to do it ok?

>>64841568
No, that is exactly how japanese management works, japs just don't have the balls to say anything.

t. worked with japanese companies for 12 years.

>>64814169
Kek

>>64814972
gura wants concerts retard, she wants to be a miku level faceless idol

>>64814351
yes

>>64817292
>Aloe's graduation made 5th gen one of the most consistently tight knit groups in Holo
Aloe's graduation soured me on the whole gen and is one of the reasons I barely watch any of them
Polka is cool sometimes tho

Looks like the new meta is to grow a spine and don't be a bootlicker.

>>64813719
This is the kind of shit that makes her hard to watch.

>>64841966
Kek. Meanwhile in reality it seems as though the public pressure Kiara put on management worked.

>>64845879
I don't even really think its "growing a spine" in this case, because the management is usually very nice, with most times being on the side or doing nice things for the talents. As a person who has seen real corporatism, this was about as smooth sailing as one can get. We've seen this year where people have been fired from companies where they make Cover look like pittance, give their lives with more years than Kiara has been on this Earth with less vacations, have a good platform with more people followers than Kiara, get canned without ceremony or pity. Shit, the chicken deserves her chops, but let's not pretend that she is some advocate for standing up for the man. Her bosses are about as nice as one can get, add to the Japanese "don't rock the boat" mentality and hell yeah she should be happy. She's gotten fun with friends she will likely have for a lifetime, gets legions of cute hangers singing her gospel every day including two cute kouhai and irl celebs in her DMs, and enough dosh she could fulfill her cat mommy dreams for the rest of her days.

Everyone has days they feel down, but girl should be singing down the street every darn day with rainbows attached to her feet at this point. Rare should the thing that every turns that smile upside down.

>>64845955
>this kind of shit
OP is lying though. Kiara said she thought about graduating but she never mentioned the specific reason why. The idea that it was all because Cover didn't help enough with her concert and album is schizo fiction.

>>64846545
>Her bosses are about as nice as one can get
I'm sure her bosses are all very nice but unfortunately some of them are also grossly incompetent.
>the Japanese "don't rock the boat" mentality
That's exactly why the boat needs to be rocked sometimes. If you threaten management's reputation you can shame them into doing the right thing.

>>64846569
That is the thing, you could understand if one had ambitions not fulfilled. But this is a company with nearly 100 talents now, regardless of a group's contribution which is as much lightning in a bottle as it was their own efforts, asking for more exposure when others are trying to gain their foothold is a tad much. She wants to retire at an early age right? She'll need at least another 5 to 7 years of keeping at her current pace to make that even semj-realistic. What happens in another 5 years when there are boatloads more talents? People's attention even now is fractured to an absurd point. Meaning making time for anniversaries, solo lives and stuff will only grow harder if we don't have people drop out. It will get to a point where its not feasible to center attention the way individual talents want.

>>64846545
Management and Kiara have different interests. And if she wants to defend those interests, she has to stand up to the management and not let them have their way.

>>64847191
What I'm saying, is that this isn't a "stand up for yourself" situation. They are on her side by what she says, because she isn't behaving like they are a black company and she is being exploited, only that she has desires she wants fulfilled. If she wants something, she has to prove that its viable, that its worth doing, not just satisfying a tradition she wants to set up is my point. Hell, "anniversaries" are things I think should be spread out, and not yearly, but at least 5 years. Birthdays and such stay the same, no problem with that. But any more and it seems more like trying to inhale every crumb of attention you can get, sometimes to the detriment of your coworkers coming up. Sure, competition and all that, but let's call a spade a spade here. Competition and attention is tightening, even if its not discussed. People want to keep their foothold and grow higher, that's completely different from just standing up for yourself.

>>64847066
Her looking to do things like sololives, 3d concerts, and making music are all at her own cost and will be for the rest of her time in Holo, and she knows that. Slight pressure like this and leveraging yourself is usually used to get a raise in a regular job, but with Cover it's more likely that she's using it to get more internal money to help fund her projects a little more and get more oppertunities for herself/EN in general.
I don't think she's the only one who feels shafted with 3d stuff in the EN Holosphere, and while I think she's probably the most passionate about it/idol work, there are others who 100% are interested in more oppertunities.

>>64847458
>What I'm saying, is that this isn't a "stand up for yourself" situation.
But yes, obviously it is. If She wants similar opportunities and doesn't want to be swept away, She has to stand up to them.
>They are on her side by what she says
They're not on her side, the whole thing is about the Japanese branch and certain talents being given preferential treatment over others.
> because she isn't behaving like they are a black company and she is being exploited
No one said this.
>only that she has desires she wants fulfilled.
Again, no. She just wants to have the same opportunities that others have had.
>If she wants something, she has to prove that its viable, that its worth doing,
Obviously, those who get more and better opportunities will grow better and be more successful, duh.
> not just satisfying a tradition she wants to set up is my point.
It looks like the tradition and status quo is that the EN branch has been reduced to a side branch and they only get the scraps. And for some reason, Kiara, the EN talents and the EN audience should be ok with this...
>But any more and it seems more like trying to inhale every crumb of attention you can get, sometimes to the detriment of your coworkers coming up.
Yup, this is what happened with the EN and ID branches.

You can work as hard as you want but talent and natural gifts always comes on top. Gura proves this.

>>64824762
>>64839846
>phase connect out of fucking nowhere
Rent free holy shit

>>64849507
Who is this?

>>64849589
>out of nowhere
bvtm and his goons just cant help it but attack kiara at every opportunity
you lost the benefit of doubt that its not you a long time ago

>>64813719
>kiwawa
*add kiwawa to filter
Thanks now I stopped vomitting

>>64849507
>gura
>talent
Forget about OP, this was the real bait

Is this the thread? we just had 1 a day or two ago

>>64849507
Of what use are those natural gifts if she doesn't want to make use of them?

>>64835793
>Fauna and Mumei
>/#/ darlings
>lowest SEA to Anglos ratio
Wtf sisters, what happened to our narrative???

Nijisanji was the best thing to happen for eggs. They can shit on Kiara as much as they want and then run away crying about nijisisters.

>>64854078
Pekora is for faggot homosexuals kys

>>64821425
they're doing better individually
Towa had a sololive, Watame is having a second one, Luna and Kanata both inclined massively

>>64854365

>>64849589
Who are you trying to fool BrownVTmemes follower?

>>64822731
It's kinda funny how, if Kiara actually DID graduate, it would be the second time an orange-haired purple-eyed bilingual based off a flying mythological creature has graduated, causing her genmates (who have pink hair, purple hair, blonde hair, and white hair with blue highlights) to drift apart, because she's literally the only thing actually holding them together.

>clipfags seething about Kiara in 2023
HoloEN really doesn't give you much material, does it?

>>64835793
>SEArystocrats are real
Fuckin kek

>>64813719
My dick was hard on Kiwawa...

>>64814351
I'd rather have them speak out too much than too little. It's not Kiara started some big public pressure campaign.

>>64814351
Yes. I think it should be encouraged. I also think that if you disagree with me, you are a corporate bootlick cunt.

Kiara will never graduate. She needs to stream 6 days a week to keep the money flowing in. She's also too attached to her fans. She can't afford to take long breaks like Gura. Those Maldives vacations have to be paid for somehow