/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>68273226
kek

>>68273226

>>68273226
thanks for giving me audible laughter fucking lmao

>>68273077
>holding out payment for services rendered
I offer my keks if true because they have both feet in the realm of parody

>>68273077
It's a shame that the Nipponsects will continue to let the company continue to exist, but the EN branch shutting down will keep any naive upstarts from making the same mistake their predecessors did.

>>68273931
The problem is that Japcucks will always, always, always 100% side with the billionaire company over the tiny idol every single time and have been since the 80's when they were doing things like casually covering up murders. They are incapable of critically asking themselves if the corporation could be at fault, not the people.

>>68275030
it's asian culture at work!

>>68273077
For months. Jesus. I'm sure this isn't the first time too.

>>68273226
Ayy lmao

>>68275192
"The culture... is so damn good"

>>68273226
jesus ahahahaha

>>68275410
it's hilarious honestly
any 'culture' that necessitates putting suicide nets around workplaces/apartments is inherently corrupt and vile

>>68273226
LMAO

>>68275410
Didn't expect Bruce Allen here.

>>68273077
I love this tweet because in the following reply they said they did 3 attempts to pay them before Selen ended up doing it herself

Months?
You guys would be surprised by Hollywood's bullshit
You'll get the money after they whore it out to make more money

>>68281630
which advent is this?

>>68281630
who dis?

>>68273226
Have this more than deserved (you)

>>68281630
SIR

>>68273226
kek'd

>>68273077
They already addressed this: Selen did not maintain communication with the company about who did what and so did not provide itemized receipts on what collaborators needed to be paid for their commissions. It's Selen's fault, again.

>>68282059
Bro, i hope they pay you well

>>68281876
A "manager?"

I don't understand what's being said besides "Niji managers are totally unhelpful and Niji doesn't pay." Like, does the work talent commissions need to go through the talent in order for people to get paid market rate? Why wouldn't you use in-house Niji staff to make a video for $20 instead of blowing $500 for it? Isn't that the smarter decision?

>>68281630
eventually the western world will be forced to learn that you cannot put jeets in charge of anything. Sure, they work for dirt cheap, but they fake their results on paper and deliver absolute dogshit then try to call you racist against indians when you call them out on it. indians take charge of what others built and run it into the ground, every single time.

>>68282291
Pay? He does it FOR FREE!

>>68281876
Why do you assume that's a talent retard
Talents don't have linkedins

>>68281630
>This resulted in a talent becoming in charge of nijiEN
Titanic if factual

>>68282059
So, a reasonable talent/agency relationship looks like this:
>Agency takes a large but not absurd cut of money
>Agency handles managing projects, paperwork, legal, etc.
>Agency pays startup costs, looks at it like an investment
>Talent gets to mostly focus on being a talent
>Talent has to follow restrictions set by the agency
>Talent gets access to the existing agency audience
>If all goes well, everyone makes a lot of money

Meanwhile at Nijisanji
>Niji takes 98%
>Talent still gets existing audience
>Talent pays startup costs
>Niji basically has no risk in spinning up as many talents as possible
>Talent basically has to manage themselves
>Talent still has to follow restrictions but again they effectively manage themselves so... good luck with that
>If all goes well, Niji makes a ton of money, talents are chopped liver I guess.
Even if we assume you're 100% right and Selen didn't file her paperwork, looking at the structure I don't know what the fuck Niji expected. You get what you pay for.

>>68282884
We've known it was Noor for years

>>68273077
>"couldn't it be that Selen herself was months late in paying and told the creator "I will pay instead of management!" in order to conceal her own mistake?"

How can JP sisters be this retarded

>>68283235
isn't this the first "confirmation" we have besides drawing conclusions from linkedin?

>>68283073
>Talent basically has to manage themselves
>Talent still has to follow restrictions but again they effectively manage themselves so... good luck with that
It's wild that these two completely contradict each other. Like you have to manage yourself, but the management who refuses to acknowledge you or do fucking anything is free at any time to swoop in and punish you for managing yourself since you didn't (read: couldn't) get management's permission for anything.
I'd love to read the contract talents have to sign, as I'd 100% believe anycolor is probably legally in the right due to this industry being so young/immature that they can probably write one sided bullshit and the talents don't really have anything like an agent who could point out how horseshit the terms are.

>>68283555
in corporate lingo, they call it "self-motivated and autonomous" and is used frequently in black companies

>>68282335
His logic doesn’t make sense because he said he went from niji to holo. 99.9% of them are hired by the talents directly, paid out of the talents pockets, and then vetted by the managers sometimes the very few that get picked up by the company like Kay Yu are put under extreme NDAs. He’s either lying about working for Hololive and about having worked for niji or he’s only lying about having worked for hololive. Even kanauru has only been contracted by cover officially once or twice despite EN being obsessed with him. I don’t understand how the catalog could have all these time stamps for niji but know nothing about hololive

>>68283514
>jpbros seriously posting stuff that wouldnt even pass for bait here
what in the world

>>68273077
Wasn't dreamydesu/weeniedesu part of a bullying scandal against another artist a while back? Kind of ironic.

>>68283905
They legit feel like those lawyers/public defenders who know that their case is already a losing battle so they just come up with the most absurd ideas/excuses imaginable

>>68284055
I hope Selen sues Niji's ass.

>>68273226
Alright, this was good.

>>68283664
Depressing. Wish I knew more, as I'm now imagining anycolor as presenting any contract as a high-pressure sales pitch where you need to sign before the meeting is over or they retract any offer, pretty much preying on enthusiastic children who can't know any better and are desperate for "their shot."

>>68273226
KEK

>>68283541
Someone out and out saying it I think so, but I could have sworn that one of Luxiem accidentally left a pre-debut test stream public and you could hear her talking to them over discord in it

>>68281630
We kinda already knew this. Matara had talked about being shocked when she joined Vshojo (a company whose shtick is basically having minimal management) and actually received some support from the staff.

>>68283555
Didn't chihiro also talked about this? They're corpo when it's convenient, and independent contractor when it's convenient.
So basically the company does nothing but has the final say

>>68283514
How can /vt/ hope to compete with this retardation?

>>68284146
That's exactly what Sayu touched on in her written account. Made her feel like she would make more than her tech job by being part of 2434.

>>68283514
Bros, we're gonna lose the retard olympics to a bunch of slant-eyes...

>>68284640
>Made her feel like she would make more than her tech job by being part of 2434
even the lowest of low paying helldesk job would put food on the table, holy shit
i guess niji is good at brainwashing and instlling cult behavior if anything

>>68273077
Black company you say?

>>68283815
I don’t know who that was or which Discord that SS came from so things might be different with proper context, but why do you think that guy was a “hired contractors” (in his words) and not just a simple moderator or a staff member who didn’t work directly in managing NijiEN members?

>>68284892
Fucking wikipedia jannies

>>68282884
To say the least.

If Livers are being deputized as "management" then there's a gigantic conflict of interest, because its in the interests of those Livers to sabotage other Livers in an attempt to steal their views and subs, or even just out of petty jealousy.

If "the clique" contains people who have been deputized as managers, it would go a long way towards explaining how they're able to run roughshod over the rest of the branch so badly.

>>68284640
>>68284579
Reminds me of 2008-2012 youtube content agency bullshit, honestly. Vague memories but I don't remember hearing the best things about Machinima. Which again, was mostly corporate interests playing on naïve people desperate to turn a hobby into a career in a niche industry that hadn't established any real employment practices yet, but was ripe for making money.

>>68285406
How much you're getting paid to do this? 2%?

>>68285431
Niji's market-share in the grand scheme of entertainment is so insignificant that playing zero-sum games like that is a dumb, petty waste of time.

>>68284610
We have to find the biggest retard in /pcg/ so they can battle with the biggest retard among the jps and determine the ultimate retard.

>>68275030
>The problem is that Japcucks will always, always, always 100% side with the billionaire company over the tiny idol every single time
That is an exaggeration and manga like Oshi no Ko shows there is a growing awareness of how the Japanese idol industry is horribly flawed. The manga had pointed criticisms of how corpo vtubers don't own their model or name. Selen's mama was even calling out Nijisanji for their stealth suspension despite the financial risk.

>>68273226

https://twitter.com/LordAethelstan/status/1754602209285964036
Kneel before your lord

>>68281630
No fucking way this is Noir. Noir is in fucking holo now.

>>68273226
A Wactor girl almost make an hero too tho

>>68286401
It's not fucking noir dumbass

>>68285624
>>68284784
Nah, these guys get the bag. A lot of them talked about finally being able to move out on their own which is crazy if you look at home prices in cities people actually want to live in.
Just read Sayu's own account. Streaming is lucrative.
I can tell you from personal experience that many private offices only view domestic workers as more expensive versions of remote workers or workers on a visa. They only need to make pay competitive for people who don't already live here and they only need us on payroll for tax/legal. On the other side of the coin, look at all these big companies folding because investors are pulling out. This whole sector is a shit show but it's far from isolated. If you aren't affected, stay blessed. All I'll say is I didn't know what a good job was until I worked for my city which opens up other issues because now it makes sense why government can be so inefficient and crooked meanwhile contractors and lobbying being in bed is so effective.

christ

>>68273077
>birthday commission she got from me
But she didn't 'get it' from you, she paid you to make it.

>>68273077
What a shitshow.

>>68275410
if niji is the redskins then who is RG3?

>>68281630
what do the managers at nijiEN actually get paid for?

>>68286571
you realize those trends are personalized, right?

>>68273226
kek

>>68281630
>ex-india branch became lead staff of NijiEN
this explains a lot, it's very easy to believe this

>>68273077
>”You did it, Selen, You really are the Yacht Sinker 40,000”

>>68283514
You chinky Anglo dumbfuck intentionally omitted the last sentence. What a fucking manipulative hypocritical cunt. The Niji EN fanbase is definitely worse than the management.

>>68286551
>not disclosing pay until signing the contract
that's actually illegal if "open for audition" posts count as advertising job openings in USA (and i'm pretty sure it does because linkedin job opening posts count as exactly that)
this company is black through and through

Looks like it was Nijisanji technique?
https://twitter.com/weeniedesu/status/1754600196103938462

>>68286918
What's your point, they're still trending. I follow 0 nijisanji members and just by being in the vtuber spheres I see many of these.

>>68281630
Sir please do the Nijiful

>>68286551
Guess even with all the money they got it still wasn't enough to put up with it.

>>68273226
holy shit you killed me

>>68287181
Ahh, that's nothing new. Classic pay artist with exposure trick.

>>68284215
it was during Noctyx debuts, Yugo's stream if memory serves

>>68285624
So Ninjisanji is the vtuber equivalent of Machinima?

>>68286551
Machinima contracts weren't poorly paying either, but it's still not a good situation to be locked in and essentially at the mercy of your employer. It's definitely symbiotic, as Selen definitely would not have achieved the same level of success as an indie, but conversely it's not like literally anyone could have taken that slot for anycolor and produced the same output.
And that level of success is its own set of handcuffs, where you can see how your company is fucking you over in wildly unfair ways, but also see that you can't take your own assets and set out on your own due to NDA, contract, word of mouth, whatever the fuck. They can probably pretty realistically see
>If I had my own model and persona but without management oversight, I'd be in a much better position
and get pretty fuckin bummed, especially as the dipshittery from your company escalates and the reality of the terrible contract/NDA you signed sets in.
Interesting to see that they pretty blatantly refused to talk about compensation in the initial meetings though, and that there's essentially no 'safety net' for starting out or stragglers. Happen to have the rest of that article/story or whatever? I legitimately know almost nothing about Niji and just find this situation interesting to compare to previous nonsense situations.

>>68287122
Just read it yourself then lol

>"When a liver commissions something he normally pays it with his money so you must be right! She wrote so many things that shifted her own blame... Wow she was even more insane than I thought"

>"So even the creater that is saying Niji is a black company might have been tricked huh... Of course they wouldn't suspect the liver they like is the one who hasn't paid them. I hope just this part will be made clear"

>>68283514
Is this representative of the JP fans as a whole or just from some anti thread? Because I already saw some JP tweets pointing out that trying to blame the baka gaijins doesn't make sense when the "corporation next door" doesn't seem to have these kind of problems. It's still early morning in Japan, so I'm interested to see if we'll see more nuanced or sympathetic takes as more JP fans become aware.

>>68286646
Pomu...

I know it won't happen, but Niji should announce a new wave this week. My sides would never recover.

>>68288109
At least judging from twitter and that place, it's absolutely representative. The nips are legit deranged.

>>68281630
If this is true, it's probably Luca, since he's such a brown noser and is so bossy t all the other livers.

>>68288109
Welcome to the NijiJP fanbase. They've been like that for years now.

>>68288109
it's certainly not every jp and alot of these posts are made by teenage fan girls but there's enough to really say something about nijifans.

>>68288215
yeah i'm surprised the new wave hasn't been announced yet
either those guys are gonna have to sit for a long time yet or should pull out if niji announces them too soon
unless nijiEN straightens up (starting by firing Noor) being associated with them isn't a good look for anybody

>>68281630
holy fucking shit

>>68286262
>1 manga represents a country's whole perception

>>68287384
Not as much as they tried with Selen

>>68288100
Wait... so their argument is Selen kept not paying Madi and mad it look like it was Niji not paying her, so she could step in and... pay her in order to make Niji look bad... for shits and giggles?

.... Sure okay.

>>68282059
Going off the simple fact that Pomu talked about a huge opportunity for her, being let slipped by from the shitty management, I'm inclined to believe that Niji management was just so fucking incompetent, that if you really wanted to get shit done, you had to do it yourself, since they couldn't be trusted.
Was it against their internal rules and regs? Probably, but that doesn't automatically make it justified or okay. Niji is fundamentally broken in how it works internally. It's plain as day and people have been seeing it for a long time now.

Watch them get rid of Scarle next just because they're gonna decide having an EN branch just isn't worth it, and they'll focus on JP only.

>>68284456
Matara was basically HR and a Talent Director. There is a reason Reimu was bawling her eyes out and a so many Nijis showed up for her graduation.

>>68288643
What can men do against such reckless retardation.

>>68288643
Reading it as generously as possible, it's more like they're implying Selen commissioned the artist on her own but since it's for the Selen persona that naturally implies its an official commission. Then proceeded to not pay either due to not really knowing how to, spacing it completely, or not having the funds for a while - then attributing the delay to Niji, who were never in the know about the commission in the first place. It's a fucking stretch, but not completely impossible.

>>68287068
Selenguinius NOOOOOO

>>68283073
You forgot the part where Nijisanji talent's aren't paid a wage for their work in the company either.

>>68289290
It's hard to contain how awful they are in a single post.

>>68273226
still not even close to they level Wactor had almost 4 attempts and several talents had to go to the psychologist to avoid getting to that point. Well, one of the 4 attempts ended up in a vegetable though nothing has been confirmed, everyone suspects it

>>68281630
I see that NijiEN is taking the pimp approach to managing their livers.
I wonder who is the bottom bitch?

>>68290131
>one of the 4 attempts ended up in a vegetable
wait what who??? I have been out of the Wactor loop for over a year

>>68275410
ANYCOLOR IS WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE.

>>68288716
Why not Aia?

>>68283514
can we get a fat fujo version of this?

>>68288109
It is suki kirai, most jps online will know that it’s one of /those/ sites, and not to trust most of the posts
While sometimes there are posts that make sense, people will go there to go full on anti and post made up shit or spread rrats. I would not be surprised if some of those were people working for niji or wanting to help the company save face.

>>68285686
You wouldn't believe it:
They're paid 0. They do it for FREE

>>68275192
It's not asian culture, it's a defeated nation symptom.

>>68290361
I'm a semi-tourist who only watches a literal handful of Niji's. Everyone I did watch (Nina, Pomu, Selen) are all gone. The only one left who I still watch is Scarle.

https://twitter.com/RenZott0/status/1754623517990252579
Damn.

>>68273226
KEK

>>68290718
and they still have the nerve to BEG for money every year, when in fact if you look at their publicly available finances they could sustain the website for like a hundred years without a single extra dollar. Wikimedia sucks

>>68290898
What a perfectly vaguely worded tweet.

>>68290297
Lia

>>68290898
of the company? or who?

>>68290898
I wonder how long until he gets screwed over by Nijisanji.

>>68291017
and he's still going to get a C&D with his name wrongly spelled

>>68291137
God, imagine the shitshow if that happened.

>>68290841
Yeah but Aia can't even break 400k, unlike Scarle. She'd be next on the chopping block.

>>68291071
wasn't she the actual jap that was in a relationship with the ceo?? didn't she graduate? what the fuck happened...

>>68291255
I honestly hope it doesn't get cut like Niji did with ID and the others. I just have an unfortunate track record with my gut feelings ending up being right most of the time.

>>68283514
>>68288100
can we get more nip bootlicking retardation?

>>68290898
if you speak in haiku the nijigoons can't read your post

>>68273226
>Nijisanji is now Wactor levels of hated
I love to see it

>>68291405
That's what happens with cultural and language divides. I'm sure most of them never even watched her, so they're naturally going to side with the company's version of events and statement.

>>68291478
>now

>>68283073
Straight out of Parrot4chan

>>68281630
YOU BLOODY BASTARD

Is this unironically the end of NijisanjiEN?

>>68281630
Next step - BLACK COMPANY outsources all their EN talent to India.

>>68281630
Rates for videos use to be 2,500 yen for videos, 5,000 for longer ones.
>>68282884
It's true. They're still very open about BL.
>>68282335
In-house "staff" only pick videos they want to make.

>>68291775
100%. There is no way for the branch to recover after losing both Selen and Pomu, two of their most popular talents that have been there since the start. And now the fanbase is in full on revolt-mode, they now hate Anycolor and are turning their back on them. Even the talents dont seem too happy with this decision.

>>68291275
It was never 100% known if she was dating the CEO. They were basically rumors from the chan, but it was suspicious how they let her graduate and keep the model. And that favoritism made more fans harass her to the point where she tried to leave the chat. What is suspicious is that when Hana tried it, she left the hospital in a few hours, but in Lia's case, her family had to come out and say what had happened and she never came back, neither as an independent nor anything, which indicates that something very bad happened. The chinks knew more

>>68291775
No, it's the beginning of Nijisanji IN.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92ydUdqWE1g

>>68275030
It's hopeless for the Japcucks, if you look on x they're all convinced that Selen is in the wrong for breaking the rules

the company is always right

>selens mods go rogue
>talents cryptically tweeting
>every non-corpo vtuber under the sun dogpiling
>artists calling out management
>even their notice gets community note'd by twitter
holy fuck it is really spiraling fast

>>68292033
fucking hell man... thanks for the rundown

>>68291775
they have to restructure
either get completely new management approved by the livers themselves or just become a part of Niji proper
unlike IN and ID, NijiEN was actually stupidly profitable so it would hurt the company's value a lot to give up this pursuit especially when the JPs are not having the best of times already

>>68292396
MEMORIES BROKEN

>>68291775
even if 70% of the current livers graduate/get terminated, the rest will be absorbed by NijiJP. EN branch will cease to exist, but the remaining talents will be on the main branch.

>>68290898
Based but he just signed up in a world of pain

>>68292402
>>68292033
these days I just occasionally tune in to Merun, it's such a sweet field of flowers there

>[After events in May 2023, we gave Selen her last warning]
Paraphrased from the official release, what happened in May last year that sent management into sicko mode? I haven't seen anyone mention this but I haven't been looking too deeply

>>68282059
> They already addressed this: Selen did not maintain communication with the company about who did what and so did not provide itemized receipts on what collaborators needed to be paid for their commissions. It's Selen's fault, again.

Wtf... that's what the management's job is for. What the fuck was their EN management team doing? Just letting their talents do all the work?

Female unicorns in /nemen/ rejoicing

>>68293607
Huh, I didn't know seething femanons were a thing in threads other than /pcg/ but I guess I shouldn't be surprised about it.

>>68291775
Doubt it. The Luxiemsisters are still licking Nijisanji's boots.

>>68293298
But he was already a niji streamer so what more can they do to him?

>>68292033
This but also Lia is back under a new name, and people find out that Wactor put the money, somehow for the new everything. So people saying that Lia went vegetable or suicidal could be a lie just to wash image for pity.

>>68292033
The bitch never went vegetable and now she is back as a full time whore too

>>68296642
name?

>>68292178

>>68273077
kek
>>68273226
top kek

>>68273226
Fucking hell kek.

>>68290898
He ruined the reputation of glorious nijisanji. Expect hiatus for health reasons.

>>68293342
I would like to know as well.

>>68292178
>Once Nijisanji IN became the first version of EN
>Now Nijisanji EN might become a version of IN.

Like potty.

>>68292178
I think they're better off learning Chinese if they don't know it, and officially becoming NijiCN

>>68293342
Not really able to look things up, but what about the outfit design contest? That had a whole slew of fuckery, I just don't remember when it happened.

>>68282059
Why should anyone believe anything Nijisanji says after they skinwalked Selen on her own account after she attempted to kill herself?

>>68293814
Nah they are in every niji general, /mans/ and /cbdct/

NijiEND

Who's going to be smart enough to jump off the sinking ship now? Will Fish be retarded enough to double down on the Zaion shit and claim that Selen also gaslit her or some stupid bullshit?

there are poojabis in THIS VERY THREAD damage controlling for Nijisuckshit. Look for their trademark ESL posts

>>68300560
They should all jump ship less they be painted with the same brush. Mysta, Nina and Zaion are now all successful in their own right. Pomu will absolutely kill it wherever she goes. Selen is riding a wave of popularity and will be very comfy as an indie. The spell of "I am nothing without Nijisani" is broken. I'd also be fucking mortified if I was a NijiEN talent at the moment since my company just implicated me in maybe or maybe not bullying someone into suicide. They know they can make it outside of the Niji sphere and the company literally damages their reputation as continuing to work under them makes people think you had something to do with the Selen situation.

>>68273226

>>68273226
Kino

>>68301025
>Zaion are now all successful in their own right
Don't she regularly begs for money?

>>68302125
And other lies the NDF thells themselves

>>68273226
Green parrot.

>>68301025
After today, pretty much any reason to work for NijiEN is gone.
A lot of artists have burned bridges with Nijisanji, so now you're picking from JOPs that don't know/care what's going on (meaning you have to involve management if you don't speak Japanese), or you're working with bottom-feeders that are desperate for any paycheck they can get. So mixers, illustrators, animators, asset creators, editors, merch, even clippers...all heavily limited to the few still willing to work with NijiEN. This means your ability to have covers, orisongs, emotes, or even just edited clips or stream highlights is restricted.
Brand reputation is in the earth's crust. Every indie is turned against NijiEN, HoloEN is going to avoid NijiEN like the plague even just out of professional courtesy, and every other corpo is now lining up like your talents are an all-you-can-eat buffet of poached meats. You can't get a collab out of company, and you couldn't get a cross-branch collab to begin with. This means most of your streams are solo.
Sponsorship opportunities are going to dry up. A lot of the people that coordinate those sponsorships talk with each other, and Selen worked directly with EA. With NijiEN burning her, it's entirely possible that EA cuts off NijiEN, or at least holds them at arm's length. And if EA won't touch you, nobody else is going to give you the time of day. So you now have limited sponsorship opportunities.
Your own fucking idiot moron company admitted that a star talent felt she was getting bulied to the point of being suicidal, and the management's response to this was "nuh-uh", which is basically asking for people to witch hunt talents. Refusing to put your own job on the line to speak out is now considered by what few viewers you have left to be an admission of complicity at best, and an admission of guilt at worst.

Before, you were just dumb or gullible to work for NijiEN.
Now, you're clinical. Nobody with any sense should be doing anything but spitting on this company.

>>68281630
There's a fucking NijiIndia?

>>68302677
it was killed

>>68302649
did you mean cynical instead of clinical

>>68303504
No. Applying to Nijisanji EN out of your own free will should be considered at-risk behavior.

>>68302677
They tried making an India branch that failed spectaculary with 2 out of the 3 talents being 2views, when hololive announced the auditions for HoloEN niji tried rebranding nijiIN as "Nijisanji English" to beat hololive to the punch of having the first EN branch, when it didn't work they just took the branch behind the shed and out it out of its misery and made an actial NijEN

What are the Japs saying? Are they being corpo simps as usual?

>>68303810
They had no idea what was going on with Selen and NijiEN in general, so they are taking Anycolor's bullshit at face value, with some JOP nijinigs going as far as accusing Selen of commissioning artists and not paying them on purpose to make Niji look bad.

>>68304042
Two nukes wasnt enough

>>68290898
All of those tweets toward Hololive without anyone replying back... they'll all be deleted soon.

>>68302649
i saw someone yesterday acting like it was some grave problem that her artist was criticizing the company and i laughed aloud. they're going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel to find anyone to work for them, literally picking through the leftover scraps of the most desperate to find artists and so on.

>>68304042
JOPs are actually more retarded than EOPs, there's no excuse not to understand basic english after learning it in school since fucking elementary unless your IQ is sub-70. Everyone else on this earth except for japs and americans speaks at least 2 languages without a problem.

>>68281630
Noor.....

>>68302649
>Your own fucking idiot moron company admitted that a star talent felt she was getting bulied to the point of being suicidal, and the management's response to this was "nuh-uh", which is basically asking for people to witch hunt talents. Refusing to put your own job on the line to speak out is now considered by what few viewers you have left to be an admission of complicity at best, and an admission of guilt at worst.
Based anon saying it how it is. Incompetence in its worst form.

>>68275410

>>68285979
/pcg/ NUMBAH ONE

>>68305551
go to your room

>>68286262
Oshi no Ko is hack shit. Idol's not perfect but it's also not the hellscape people try and present it as, especially not a tthe chika/indie level where the biggest thing is mostly that you have to work a day job because there's no real money in it.

>>68290898
>defended Zaion
>defended Selen
THE MAN CAN'T BE STOPPED

>>68281630
>giving literal 2views control

>>68305551
It is also black.

>>68273226
kek

>>68273077
Wow they arent just a black company, they are literal con artists

>>68273226
What the fuck is the price for a billboard advertisement? This needs to go on it.

>>68273226
Someone needs to add a 2% to the nijifighter shirt and a 98% on Riku's shit.

Today, it's "One liver has graduated from each generation."
By the end of the year it'll be, "One liver remains in each generation."

>>68288109
I have seen multiple comments like this, so at least it is a great majority with this stupid mentality

>>68285406
>This is vandalism
>Please support us and give us $2 so we can keep the lights on come on bro please :^)

>>68306333
Pomu...

>>68306333
Is this Petra?

>>68305609
Pankophiles really do get everywhere

>>68306589
it's me

>>68306589

>>68306333
who?

>>68306755
A fairy

>>68283514
Maybe we should just let the Chinks kill them after all

>>68273077
Someone tell Nijisanji to copy this and just literally fucking change the date, name of liver and the reason for termination.. that's it.

>>68306333
War really sucks...

>>68307166
Then remind them to change the company name too... They're retarded enough to forget

>>68306595

>>68292251
tbf probably few actually bothered to watch and otherwise dont have a lick of context

>>68286551
>No monthlys salary
>somehow will make more money than than what you are already making
Is this possible? And how does this work?
This is almost economically impossible unless you are really at the high end where the talent is really gifted and down on his/her luck, the company have the resources ready + knows the right channel.

>>68307166
why is transparency a bad thing
i hope this does go to court though, nijien either sinks alone or drags selen with them

>>68307441

>SELEN COMMISSIONED ART
>SELEN PAID HER UP
THAT'S HOW THINGS SHOULD BE FUCKING DEGEN. SELEN EDUCATE YOUR ARTIST AND MODS

>>68282432
Good thing cuz it doesn't sound like AC pays their bills.

>>68307439
kek, considering they forgot to change the date on their default graduation announcement with Kyo I could see it happening.

>>68307778
Funny, because when she offered to pay for the outfit design contest out of her own pocket she was told that it was against the rules.

>>68286350

>>68281630
uh who's chestnut?

>>68273226

I really enjoyed myself today. Posted some incredible bait that got me tons of yous. End of the day was a bit sad when parrot said he won't be covering this. I was working so hard for free to be in the video...

>>68307571
Transparency isn't a bad thing. If Niji was a company with proper workplace ethics their announcement would have gone something like
>Unfortunately after a breach of contract, AnyColor can no longer forsee a productive working relationship with Selen and from henceforth are terminating working relations. We wish Selen all the best with her future endeavours. We hope that all Nijisanji fans can continue to support the entire cast of talents at Nijisanji. We have been made aware of complaints of bullying, harassmemt and mismanagement. We take these claims very serious and immediately conducting an internal investigation to validate these claims and will take appropriate action to rectify issues if needed.

That's all they had to do. They don't even need to do anything, but management seems like it is run by teenage girls.

>>68308863
If they were smart enough to release a statement like that, they wouldn't be in this situation.

>Okay, I imagine many others are commenting similarly, but aside from everything else, this whole statement is one of the most outrageous things I've ever seen a company post, and I've been following JP biz in particular for about a quarter-century now.
https://twitter.com/SpaceDrakeCF/status/1754669547691602013

Lol

>>68308863
>We have been made aware of complaints of bullying, harassmemt and mismanagement.
Doki only said that after she saw the statement.
They were basically raking her over how every time she complained about management she was lying. Maybe they were preempting her response, they said they have been back and forth with her legal counsel. Honestly with the damage they've endured I feel like the only way they can settle this is in court with a lot of receipts.

>>68307996
>>68286350
Okay I guess SOME male chuuba's can be pretty based.

>>68309207
>she was just lying about being bullied bro!
>she tried to kill herself for uh... uhmmm... uhhhh......

>>68290898
He’s the only one who stood up for Zaion when the rest of the company was dogpiling on her.
Ren has my respect

>>68309120
fucking kek

>>68307964
You spend too much on 4chan. You basically didn't know how corporate works and about art as well. Why do you think of all the years of vtubing no one does that? Cause it is a fucking complex rules. Why would a JP corporate want to rig and spend so much money to a fucking design contest winner from a side branch that doesn't have stable income?

>>68309120
A good breakdown of how insane the pages are.

>>68309434
>>68309120
who?

Someone will wake up tomorrow with a smile in the face

>>68309569
Bro wrote a book

>>68307964
Basically you want to disprespect Selen's Mama artist.

>>68309185
who is this again

>>68309579
yeah idk who gives a fuck about that guy, sounds like another delusional twitter troon
but that's what this site became, 4chan eats twitter posts and then our shit ends up on reddit and so on

>>68309994
NijiJP Chihiro. She graduated and debuted a few days later with a new model. Her VOD has 1 million views.

>>68309994
Nijisanji jp first gen member

>>68309579
looking at the profile he's the lead dev for Recettear

>>68307996
Holy shit

>>68309320
then in 2 days selen has to show proof of harassment
the statement is saying whatever she thinks she has won't legally pass

>>68310379
he's carpe fulgur, a localization team
the guys who fucked up the bag with xseed during their falcom days
lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooo

>>68273226
hina...

>>68310499
ANYCOLOR is the only party that claimed there was harassment by the livers thus far. Selen has been consistent in showing she has issues with management.

>>68281630
Is this that one nousagi clipper that got hired by niji?

>>68309661
that isn't even an quarter of the full thread kek
it's a pretty good write up imo

Why are nijikeks like this?

>>68273077

>>68310778
They were saying she was already going to make a public statement about all of her stated claims, they've literally been in contact with her legal team, this is them pre-empting their defense.
The damage has been done regardless, I feel like someone's going to sue somebody for damages.

>>68302569
Is green parrot going tranny?

I don't think I've seen a collective dunk this hard in any industry, ever

>>68309185
A little off topic but every current Niji who mutual followed her has unfollowed. In fact, Moira is following 0 accounts now.

>>68286350
>>68307996
kek

>>68310960

>>68282291
You know what the funny part is?

>>68288716
Fuck, I hate this game of telephone.
Management didn't let it "slip", they firmly rejected it for whatever reason and she was upset she had no room to negotiate.
I would say get the torrent and watch it again but I think it's been clipped by dramafaggots so you can just use those.

>>68281876
advent pl are all well documented none of them were niji, this is likely a staff member

>>68311369
Probably got in trouble for tweeting her redebut.

>>68282059
MY KONAMI RRAT LIVES!! Fuck your NDF I almost believed that Konami wouldn't go to the talent directly but if NijiEN is such a shit show its highly possible Pomu was connected too eventually. Then when she got the ball rolling she was told no. Sure the RL idol collabs are a once in a lifetime for Pomu BUT shining at what she is great at and advertising MGS could have been huge. Niji failed to implement Pomu's ideas, but decided to take them and use it for Rosemi. The fucking timeline fits.

>>68311254
Well we'll see, but as far as what could be observed publicly her beef was with management.

>>68311369
She's about to get the kurosanji special

the japanese will believe what they want to believe
https://x.com/i_love_njsnj/status/1754462580469587968

>>68273077
imagine biting the hand that feed you
ungrateful cunt

>>68292178
Post the superior version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWMGOylKim4

>>68312805
Obviously niji never did feed this guy though.

>>68312230
No, the rrat is still dead. Selen is talking about interacting with twitter artists, not multi-billion dollar companies that have offices in the same building as Anycolor HQ.

>>68294996
>>68296642
if you are talking about the vampire girl I don't think it was Lia I think it was already debunked

>>68302649
We know it's a shit company so I wanna know who's next on the list.
Will it be Rosemi? Ike? Or Ren?

SINK THE YACHT
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>>68291405
honestly just look for more of the nijiJP audience. they are complete bootlickers

>>68314598
What about ... all three?

>>68311276
the chans->trans pipeline will swallow that autistic fool just like it did to bonelessvr

>>68286262
>ow the Japanese idol industry is horribly flawed.
in the series It is exaggerated, the Western equivalent is worse.

>>68311030
The funniest thing is this kind of shit only works if you proceed from the standpoint that she wanted to STAY with the company and was trying to contest the termination
But she didn't, in fact she wanted to leave earlier.

So yeah, it's not a case of "Selen wanted to have the rules not apply to her!", it's a case of Selen realizing that it was high time to get the hell out of dodge when unreasonable rules started appearing.

>>68288109
We've been calling them nijiniggers since back in 2019, and guess what the only branch to exist back then was.

any color and they chose black
but not just any black, they chose fucking vantablack, holy shit

>>68273077
What do you even call the people who lick the boot of a company like this without even working for them?

>>68281630
You're telling me this entire fiasco boils down to NijiEN getting POO'd? Is there a single thing Pajeets won't fuck up?

JWU after yesterday's thing. Any news whatsoever?

>>68315207
retards
i guarantee you if they were actually picked up by anycolor, they'd be singing a different tune

>>68306589
no but petra said the same thing roughly

>>68315347
Yeah, those $20 commissions are like a fucking jackpot, lol.

>>68315195
I... dont understand..

>>68281630
Wait i thought everyone knew Noor was the head Manager? Zaion herself fucked up by skirting the intern to ask Noor for Genshin perms

The REAL question is why Riku let the powerhouse for revenue in 2021+ be left in the hands of a literal pajeet? Even Yagoo has a cousin or someshit embedded in HoloEN

>>68315255
Yes gaijin it was the pajeets not us

>>68311030
Anyone defending niji is just going to look like an idiot a few months down the line when they terminate the branch
The writing on the wall is plain obvious for everyone to see at this point

>>68315663
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vantablack

>>68293551
My guess is she let dragoons be in charge of some shit, and dragoons are nothing if not tide surfing fair weather fans. So in one week you have 11 people contributing, then next week it's maybe 9 and 4 are the same dragoons, then the week after its 20 dragoons and only 2 are the same.
So essentially a fuckhuge nightmare of accountability

>>68316112
What the fuck

>>68310155
Didn't Chihiro and Selen collab at one point? I knew Chihiro was an Apelegs addict, and Selen was Selen.

>>68307996
>Aethel
Cool, i can't wait for Nyanners to force herself in and try to be the center of attention

>>68290898
I'm sad to hear about Ren's termination.

>>68291775
It's only the start.
1 new wave for every graduated/terminated talent.
ACCELERATE.

>>68311254
What damages exactly? Nijisanji shot themselves in the foot. Nobody is at fault.

>>68292396
You forgot
>two of the pillar talents gone
>ex-talents implying or outright talking about the horrible work conditions

>>68302677
It was proto-NijiEN

>>68316478
Every single wave has a missing member now
Lazulight - Pomu
Obsydia - Selen
Ethyria - Nina
Luxiem - Mysta
Noctyx - Yugo
Iluna - Kyo
Xsoleil - Zaion
The last 2 waves had people quit behind the scenes

>>68288109
That's from sukikira, the jp equiv of nyfco. Doxxsisters.

>>68286262
oshi no ko is just Perfect Blue for people with extraordinarily severe (nearly terminal) mental retardation

>>68281630
Not a black company, BTW.
Nijistans were saying Hololive is the same just a few days ago after Mel's graduation, LOL.

>>68316686
>The last 2 waves had people quit behind the scenes
I know about the 4th Krisis dude but not about the 4th TTT member

Who's worse, Millie or Enna?

>>68316661
The same kind of damages that Mafumafu is currently taking Rushia to court for.

>>68307341
War has changed...

>>68273226
Not even a contest kek

>>68309569
Remember how Nijisisters were saying that Zaion/Sayu couldn't possibly be right because everyone at Niji were saying the same thing?
What if everyone at Niji were in fact assholes and were bullying her (and other non-clique members)?

>>68317616
Public slander?

Doki never mentioned Nijisanji by name. Dokibird as an account has never been associated with Nijisanji or Selen. So they are not even equivalent. Even then, saying your workplace sucks is only illegal in Japan.

Doki was not employed by Nijisanji when she made those comments. She was not in Japan when she made those comments. Unless there is some very specific NDA bullshit that covers this, but I doubt that it would even be legally enforceable even in Japan.

I cannot see how there is a case for slander in any capacity.

>>68315739
Correction: Zaion went around her intern manager to ask for help with navigating the corpo environment. She was asking for advice on not getting into trouble, which ironically got her into trouble
Truly a vantablack company

>>68318005
I bet their NDA put Selen's info wrong as well

>>68281630
>pfp
HOW DID NO ONE REALISE THAT PEKORA'S MONKEY WENT FROM NIJI TO HOLO????

>>68318744
It
It was Jiru san all along....!