/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

why isn't your oshi doing a valentines stream right now anon

Hopefully

>>69084793
My oshi is a rave slut and I only watch her because she got big titties and if I met her at a con I would try to smash.

>>69084793
Deflection. Also Idol culture is dying and Vtubbing will be free from it soon

>>69084793
she’s getting fucked by a big black corpo

>>69084730
You have extremely low IQ if you think they died. What do you think Mythic is? But as expected of dramafags not to use their brain.

>>69084730
the fall of NijiEN is just the prelude to the coming war between traditional Holo/small corpos vs modern indies/vshojo/mythic/msm blah blah, largely segmented between YT and Twitch

>>69084730
No all those mcms ever did was protect you from copyright strikes and steal your sponsorhip money. Gaming companies (outside of japan) do not give a single iota of a fuck when it comes to playing their games anymore and sponsors will come to you. Cover at least offers merchandising and advertisement as well as sponsorships Not to mention event organizing and everything that entails. you'd have no way of getting without them. I don't see pewdiepie collabing with aquariums.

Niji couldn't beat Hololive so they're tanking themselves to kill vtubing and destroy holo

>>69085763
Holo is going to have to do something horrible for this to happen. Especially since Vshojo and Holo have a good enough relationship

>69084793
schizo

>>69084730
Nope that's just NijiEn. Plenty of other corpos are chugging along just fine.

>>69084730
Because youtube isn't something new and misunderstood anymore, so sponsors and creators have learnt to cut the middleman.

>>69084793
I actually thought she wasn't cause she did a Valentine's themed karaoke a few days ago but she's going to be streaming tonight anyways

>>69085873
Total pay to talents has decreased since 2022 despite more talents debuting and total profits doubling. If this continues talents will look for other opportunities, but at the same time increasing compensation will hurt the stock price.

Nope, I mean stuff like the Sakamichi series under SME or Johnny's/Smile-up are still big household names in Japan, indie and ura idols don't hold a candle compared to them

>>69089231
Literally what opportunities are better than being in Hololive?
seriously what is there to gain from going indie if you were in the shoes of say, Marine or Pekora or some other top earner?
kson and miguel gato earn less than they did in holo for example, despite bigger share/lack of cut

>>69084950
I-I thought nijifags pride themselves as a supporter of a corpo that's not adhered to an Idol culture?

>>69089231
>Total pay to talents has decreased since 2022 despite more talents debuting and total profits doubling
You realized this also dependent to the talents actively seeking money too, right? You can't pay talents more money when they went on multiple months hiatus, or just generally rarely stream

>>69090959
Didn't Mel just graduate and redebut to high numbers? Has she maintained? Rushia's been doing very well on her GFE channel after she gave up on divergent content. She still has a debuff from that.
I'm not as familiar with Hololive talent and JP stuff in particular, but it looks like Kson is the exception where she lost her audience because she changed her content too rapidly. Everyone that keeps doing the same old same old seems to perform just fine. And with Hololive's split you only need a third of your prior audience to earn the same.

>>69090959
Surprised noone called you a numberfag yet after bringing up the fact that kson fell off after leaving holo

>>69092474
Nah, redebut is an outlier, especially under termination circumnstance. Tho then again, Mel is not a "nobody". She's pretty much fine even if she left Holo 3 years ago after I raped her.

>>69084730
Get the fuck out of my head i was just thinking this myself..
>What is the difference between Nijisanji and those useless Youtube MCN's from ten years ago?
Is my thoughts currently

>>69092474
Noel has said that if she were ever at risk of being fired she would dogeza and beg to stay. Make of that what you will.

>>69084730
The normies are realising something I've been saying for years. VTuber corps are just MCNs with even more restrictive contacts. I'm not gonna pretend they're not.

>>69092474
I'm saying is it even worth it even if you do earn more which I highly highly doubt. You mentioned talents looking for other opportunities after all, but being in Holo not only means you get the biggest personal earnings but you also get more opportunities in the form of sponsorships and collaborations and projects, as well as access to Cover resources (studio, tech, etc.)

>>69093419
see >>69093756
Maybe what you're saying is true for niji but defintely not Holo or VSPO/brave or even Vshojo

>>69092474
You can flip the thought anon.
Why even after all that you said, there's only been 2 Hololive graduations in the 5+ years of Holo inception? Because that's where the "biggest oppurtunities" lies right now.
Kek now I just realized they have more termination than graduation.

>>69090959

>/#/fags said that talents earn more for their SC because it is added to their salary.
>/#/ no wait, now /#/ fags said that SC's suck, the real business is in merchandise because obviously talents earn a good cut.
>no wait, now /#/fags said that merchandise doesn't count, now CCV is the equivalent of earning money, if your CCV is low you're down and you're starving.
>no wait....

>>69093955
Well yeah, we know both Hololive and Nijisanji have the culture of "Fuck you, you're nothing without us", so I'm not wholly impressed by that.

>>69093756
That goes back to the fact that you don't need as many sponsorships and merch deals if there's no management cut. And if you're negotiating on your own behalf you have the opportunity to pursue sponsorships you actually like.
What tech does Hololive have that's special? I know their rigging is sub-par to the average indie 3view, is there something else behind the scenes that's useful? Hololive opened up an in-house 3D studio recently right?
I know with Nijisanji they have fuckall. They're even further behind the times on most of their tech and just rent out audio studios and 3D studios, the same that a random indie could do.

Dunno. I don't want to act like I'm strongly presenting the case that a Hololiver going indie would be a straight step up, but there's nothing to indicate that it's a step down unless they fuck it up themselves. There hasn't really been enough terminations and graduations to establish a firm pattern with Cover.

>>69095033
>There hasn't really been enough terminations and graduations to establish a firm pattern with Cover.
And why is that?

>>69095220
Because Japanese corporations are pieces of shit that try to convince employees that they're worthless without the corporation and owe the corporation everything?

>>69095033
>There hasn't really been enough terminations and graduations to establish a firm pattern with Cover.
Refer to this >>69093955
You need to flip your thought, anon.

>>69084730
Isn't this one of the faggots who jumped on the vtuber bandwagon back when it exploded in the west?

>>69095428
Kek yeah, he was actually pretty chummy with NijiEN back then.

>>69095313
see
>>69095308
This line of thinking doesn't impress me. It indicates a toxic culture more than anything else. Usually when a company is at the top of their field their talents will boomerang at a relatively steady pace. They'll leave, because they value themselves, and then come back, because they realize that they can't get any better than what they already had. Or bitch about it and it spreads through the industry.

>>69093756
The funny thing is that with Nijisanji, no matter how many opportunities you get, it's still 2%. Cover on the other hand actually has a salary for talents that may underperform unlike their competition. Not sure about the percentage on super chats being different, but merch sales are night and day different. I have no idea how much Fauna got for the MILF hat, but it was probably a lot. I know Mori makes tons with her albums. Only God knows how much Gura made with the body pillow.

>>69095834
Yeah but the reality is, currently the biggest oppurtunity in the chuba world lies in Hololive.
Of course you can come back few years from now and give this same take again once the industry more matured, and see how the reception is at that point.

But at this point, for someone who actually want to have a career as a vtubing, Hololive is the golden ticket to stardom. Can't patronize them when we literally only look at them from the far outside.

>>69092795
The difference is that those 'networks' began as one successful channel that grew so big it drew pretenders into its orbit and essentially offered them a crumb of its success in exchange for loyalty. Youtube was a fundamentally different ecosystem back then, with a smaller audience and weaker discovery. Growing a following relied heavily on either being the first to break ground in a hot new thing, going viral by word of mouth, or getting plugged by a bigger channel and thus directing their established following to you.

They were always just a backroom way to buy and sell success before we had a knockoff Roko's Basilisk called The Algorithm to worship. Most of them blew up because their subjects began to outgrow the need for the main channel, which by now had converted entirely to being a power broker and was depending on its incumbents. It led to a whole lot of drama and behind the scenes dickery meant to keep those channels from breaking free of the network at any cost. They in fact had strong financial incentive to be so shitty.

For companies like Nijisanji, image and reputation is their market. Vtubers buy into the reputation to open doors and Nijisanji isn't really reliant on individual talents because there's no end of qualified people streaming in to replace them. As long as the reputation and image remain strong, talents are replaceable. The relationship, when it works, is more transactional and benefits both parties. The issue here is that Nijisanji has trashed its own reputation not out of financial interest, but simple gross incompetence and mismanagement.

>>69093955
Well I mean, nobody would want to leave a company where you can actually make money in Japan. Their economy is in the stinker and a well paying job is few and far between. As for the talents, they know that the money that cover takes from their pay goes back into the company. They've seen the $$$ mocap studio go up, and are able to perform shows. Those big concerts are not cheap to produce and they actually are able to perform them (Staring at NijiEN). As for the money they make after the cut, it's still a lot. Even if there is an underperformer, they still get a salary although maybe low since super chats do exist. They make passive money off of merch sales and are given brand deals on the drop of a hat.

Corpos SHOULD be a way to subside tech expenses through all talents + salary
Meaning that joining a corpo gives you a bunch of benefits and security
But if the company can't provide this, then it is no better than just a banner to group a bunch of channels under, not even an mcm

>>69084730
No there will always be a market for non-twitch thots that happen to be vtubers

>>69096173
>Hololive is the golden ticket to stardom.
This is definitely true. Hololive is the best way to get an audience. Hell, even Nijisanji EN is a really good way to escape 1-viewdom. It's a buff for a period and then a debuff after about a year.

They're definitely the best path to success, but once you have success there's no reason to assume a good portion of your audience wouldn't move with you if you quit. If Fauna graduated tomorrow, opened up a new channel, and did the exact same thing she's currently doing on that new channel with a new model, how much of her audience would we expect her to lose? She'd lose her sponsorships and merch deals and have to start building those back up, but if she kept her 10k average that wouldn't be hard to do.

>>69092997
she does that regularly anyway

>>69097174
Which is why back again to what I said, because surely Fauna herself knew everything's that you said here about the benefit of leaving Hololive.

The fact that they're still there should tell you a far clearer story, considering it's from the perspective of a non-JP chuba.

>>69097174
Holo girls don't quit that often because base salary + merch cut
Unless you can guarantee a large enough whale population to sc as often or more, it is not worth the freedom
Rushia, coco and Mel all show this, even if they manage to keep a good audience and yt direct income, they don't earn as much as if they were still under Holo

>>69084931
what's her opinion on boofing

>>69097174
Nigga even fucking Roboco manage to earn enough to buy a fucking land in tokyo where she build her house,
and she's in the bottom 2 of the lowest performing holoJP.
They're not retarded. They understand the game more than people who keep telling them to leave Holo.

>>69084730
Just the one with the yacht

>>69097494
We know that the culture is still there regardless. Just like in Nijisanji EN.

>>69097750
Base salary is pretty strong, especially if it can be negotiated higher as the talent gets more popular.

Anyway, I think the three of us have played out the conversation since it's looping. Thanks for the convo.

Yes and no. I can see corpos like Phase and Idol disappearing, maybe even Niji (and I'm not considering the fact that they will die out because they are fucking trash), but companies like Hololive that offer more than an avatar and a shop will survive, you just can't get a mocap studio by yourself, it's not economically viable.

>>69098053
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2TYdwElSWw

A tale of women and boobs.

>>69098465
>We know that the culture is still there regardless
That's the point though, >we don't know. As far as the discussion concerned, we're just bunch of outsiders looking through two-way mirror from the outside of it.

>>69098801
Anon, I was already watching that stream

The gap between what corpos can provide and what indies are able to get themselves narrows every day.

>>69092474
>Didn't Mel just graduate and redebut to high numbers?
No? She has been completely radio silent after one post about her termination

>>69100136
My bad, looks like I mixed up Mel with Chihiro Yuki. Both gen 1 people from Hololive JP and Nijisanji JP that got graduated/terminated around the same time.

>>69099878
Corpos getting big partnerships is about it and that’s exclusively JP

>>69089231
>Total pay to talents has decreased since 2022 despite more talents debuting and total profits doubling
No not really

>>69084730
Most MCNs had no driving purpose or role and were always a grift on emerging internet trends
Vtuber agencies, on the contrary, were instrumental to producing both the surrounding culture and successful careers you see today.
What we are currently witnessing is a REALLY bad one not performing most of its functions correctly.

>>69099878
No it doesn't do you faggots really forgot that th vtubers who make it are merely like 1% of total Vtubers?even if 10 4 views come tomorrow the numbers won't change, the 3D seems good but that's expected, there's a ceiling for how good a 3D model can be and Hololive is slowly reaching it, once they do it the otheres will catch up in no time with the developing technology

>>69089231
Liver renumeration has increased by 11% total.

>>69103067
Number of livers has increased by 21%
Revenue per liver has increased by 15%

Unless the new hires were significantly below average on their remuneration then it seems like average payment to livers YoY has decreased as we have more talents getting a slice of a not big enough pie despite total revenue increasing (based on this chart, I'm not bothering to pull up their report) by 38%.

>>69085817
Scorched Earth Policy, just like how they terminate their talents. Brilliant.

So, with all that said, I can't help but wonder if any of the xittermen and ledditors who think corporate involvement is the problem have really thought about any of it hard enough.
Hell, with how mainstream Niji self-shitting has been, I wonder if a lot of them even watch Vtubers at all.

>>69084730
I see why you would think that but I think it's just different.
VTuber companies from Japan offers a lot opportunities(3D lives, sponsorship, etc.)

I think VShoujo could be considered as MCN, yes. But not all operates like VShoujo.

>>69099878
>The gap between what corpos can provide and what indies are able to get themselves narrows every day.
>Shows one of the most well-known "indie" chuba as the example
This is same level of retardation with holofags who said you can be as big as Gura simply by joining Hololive.

>>69104229
>it seems like average payment to livers YoY has decreased as we have more talents getting a slice of a not big enough pie despite total revenue increasing (based on this chart, I'm not bothering to pull up their report) by 38%.
The revenue increased because they've been releasing their own standardized merch line (i.e. friends 4 u or whatever that called), which is not a secret that they got much bigger cut through this.
Also this anon has the idea >>69092445
You can't pay what's not in there

>>69099878
If you're not JP it makes sense to say this but I wonder how long this will be true. I would like to see western vtubers get the same sorts of opportunities their JP sisters get, or at least with the same frequency they get them.

>>69084730
Probably not this one
https://contents.xj-storage.jp/xcontents/AS05169/2eced6e9/cb1c/46c1/af96/0fb860877c84/20240208140638447s.pdf

>>69084730
>Vtubber

>>69105715
Yeah, there's confounding factors. Mostly just pointing out that the first chart guy isn't explicitly wrong. It could be the case, we'd have to do a lot more math to figure it out. And fuck that.

>>69104229
>Unless the new hires were significantly below average on their remuneration
How significant exactly

>>69106726
The 17 new livers would have to earn somewhere around 40% of the new average to get fucked bad enough that everyone else still saw an increase on average. I think. I really don't know if I did that math right. The base salary makes it harder to earn super low, but that should still be possible.

>>69106726
holostars included in the total too?
Because it actually makes sense if we consider after their hiring spree throughout 2022-2023

>>69092445
You are under the assumption they make a huge amount of money from streaming, which if it was the bulk of the their income, they would do more of it. You don't know where the bulk of their income comes from and making assumptions of partial data that isn't totally accurate either. The vtubers know what they are making and if they are truly worried about their pay, you'd definitely see a change in attitude to try to compensate for it.

>>69084730
>Are we going to see Vtubber companies die
You already did, many died or are dying
>Tsunderia
>Cyberlive
>Kawaii (sold off)
>Prism (sold off to sony)
>Idol(about to be sold off to Brave)
>Virpro
>Akio AIR
>WACTOR
>Kometa
>That one vtuber NFT EN vtuber company that dies(it had a monkey, red snake, and deer I cant remember the name of it)

>>69106726
>>69107412
Yep, Stars earn way lower at the best of times and they went from 2 to 10.
Also consider that EN as a whole had a drought of debuts in 2022. The talents are signed on for several months before debut without pulling in any money.

>>69107644
these hologirls are pretty much set by doing a year or two of consistent streaming.
Unless your lifestyle is as lavish as Rushia then you can just become a merchandise seller for the rest of your holo career with rare stream inbetween to keep your mindshare,
which kinda what some veteran HoloJP already doing right now.

>>69084730
The only one in trouble though is Niisanji? I guess not being able to be a low rent Funidub VA because you made your career out of annoying a large Japanese media company leaves one bitter.

>>69107453
So the average would be around $30k per month i can see the bottom tier earner only getting something like $3k~$4k
>>69107453
Yes

>>69084730
No because japanese vtuber companies are actual companies instead of pyramid schemes run by nerds that was Machinima and its likes.

>>69095033
>That goes back to the fact that you don't need as many sponsorships and merch deals if there's no management cut
It's not about the money. Being in hololive opens up doors that will never open up for indies.

>>69084730
three random thoughts come to mind

1. There's an old interview out there, where Yagoo referred to the streamers as 'characters'. He wanted to do IP licensing from the start. that made him avoid a lot of MCN pitfalls

2. Vtuber companies that se vtubers as 'Streamers with an avatar' are MCN-tier. Fortunately, most of them die pretty quick.

3. Notice that more over time, big EN indies, Non-JP vtuber companies, started implementing lore, sell anime statues of their IP, idol concerts.
Even the most anti-idol, anti-customer, anti-kayfabe, EN vtubers are starting to realize there needs to be a business endgame for these 'anime avatar', they need to do more than just exist. Some are grifting, but others they're slowly starting to realize but it hasn't exactly clicked yet

>>69084950
Cope sis

>>69085146
This

>>69110409
Facts

>>69093756
Yeah people kept forgetting that Kson herself was scammed trying to setup her 3D model and stage for the first time.
She eventually messaged a friend/someone who is more familiar with it and it was much more cheaper than that scammer.
Now imagine if you're an indie without connections trying to sell merch.

These factors are filtered out when you go to a "good enough" corpo.

>>69095428
He had to do it because doing the DBZA stuff got him blacklisted from anime dubbing after Toei threatened to pull their licenses from Funimation when they tried to sneak TFS into the DBZ Kai dub.

>>69084730
MCN never died, if anything it got worse and unless you have a miracle chance if you are not in good terms with the correct people you are fucked

>>69095940
We do have an estimate though. Remember When Kson found out about the niji 2% merch cut? She tweeted something along the lines of "And I thought 50% was bad" so either Cover or Vshojo were at minimum paying 50% cut

>>69113088
>so either Cover or Vshojo were at minimum paying 50% cut
Must be cover, considering she said on her infamous vshojo shilling stream that the only compensation that Vshojo ask from her is full cut for any merch that's not personally produced by herself.

>>69100835
Oh? Chihiro reincarnated?

>>69110409
Vtubers got popular as an extension to anime characters without the time limit of their existence for a season of 12 episodes.
It's logical that using the same merchandising tactics as with anime would work best with decades of experiences in the field.

>>69113088
>>69113989
Her exact wording was "I used to be bitching about 50%", so yeah it was her previous deal with Cover. Coco also said she got about 30% of SCs after YouTube, Cover, and Taxes. YT is 70/30 so you do the math on the rest.

>>69084730
Those old MCNs were used because they were the shortcut to monetization, that's why they faded away as soon as Youtube opened up monetization to pretty much anyone.

>>69115793
Pretty sure 50% split of 70% SC (what's left after youtube cut) is the industry standard for japanese corpo.
The juicy one is of course information about merch, because aside from Niji's 2% or Vshojo's, on holo side apparently you will get the lion share of the cut if you also invest your own money to it (I forgot which holomem who said it), so 50% is indeed the minimum at least.

>>69114984
Yeah, pretty much immediately. Her genmates shouted her out on twitter immediately.

>>69118299
The catch with merch is that even with a good cut of the profits, a lot of what the fans are actually spending goes to the manufacturer and shipping. Unless the mark-up after production costs + manufacturer profit is insane (granted, it often is) the portion of your $100 that gets to the talent might not be any better than SCs.
Digital goods though. Those'll be king.

>>69108542
I fucking hate how he’s /vt/ related by default

>>69085800
Will have to keep an eye on what Dokibird achieves as an indie, if see shows how one can be successful with a monolithic corporate structure surrounding you, especially one whose attention is divided between you and dozens of colleagues; it would spell the end of corporate vtubing.
The likes of Suisei and Pekora could be their own one talent 'indie companies'

>>69092474
>Didn't Mel just graduate and redebut to high numbers?
Are you retarded?
First, she didn't graduate she got terminated
Second, she hasn't redebuted at all. She has been radio silent for 3+ weeks and counting.
Jesus, people really didn't care about Mel to the point they get everything wrong about her.

>>69126226
We already have this song and dance before too, anon. She's not the first and won't be the last where people said "She will be the decider for this corpo vs indie discourse".
Even if Dokibird manage to be as popular as mr beast, her circumnstance already unique enough that it's not as simple as "I can achieve bigger things going indie than staying with my current corpo".

>>69126762
Scarle on the other hand...

>>69095033
You got a point with the tech, Hololive is hamstrung by having to have the same version for everyone so they are excessively slow on upgrading their tech and the talents' L2D Models.

Anyone remember that vaunted v3.0 they rolled out over a year ago and how much of a wet fart that ended up being?

>>69110407
>Being in hololive opens up doors that will never open up for indies
It is probably an outlier but do you think Cover would have allowed Kson to take part in the auditions for Yakuza 7/8 and achieve her dream if she was still simultaneously in Hololive as Coco?

>>69126226
Bro seeing Dokibird's popularity got overcharged by drama just like Coco back then and for some reason thinking she's on Suisei and Pegor level now, an actual chuba royalties

>>69127706
Considering they were fine with Rushia being a married woman shilling out engagement ring merch, speaking from a 'talent can do whatever they want in their personal life' stand point, they just might've.

>>69084730
>Vtubber
What about Fulgur and Millie?

>>69127916
See also, Noel. Holo really is talent freedom.

>>69127706
Nigga this is Holo, not Niji. They pretty much hands off with any activity outside of "Coco". She can still auditioned as Kson.

>>69128148
True. She's masturbating online with nips out and Cover just doesn't care.

>>69127706
>auditions for Yakuza 7/8 and achieve her dream if she was still simultaneously in Hololive as Coco?
Yes, touristchama. Holo never forbade any of their talents to pursue anything outside of their Holo job. Mori and Noel entire existence should be enough proof for this.

>>69127889
Read the post, its closer to "if a midlister like doki can do it then imagine what a headliner like suisei or pekora could do"

>>69108450
>these hologirls are pretty much set by doing a year or two of consistent streaming.
>which kinda what some veteran HoloJP already doing right now.
Hmm, would that be a sign of a bad situation if Mel had streamed the most hours in her 6 year career this past year, her most recent one? Kinda wonder how much this termination fucked up her situation if she was having to grind harder to make up financial shortfalls

>>69120584
Huh I guess I'll have to go refollow then

>>69129520
nta, but just like what this anon's said >>69092729
She's not a nobody, she would be fine.

>>69084950
>I..idol culture is dying!
>Only company that ever pushed for idol culture is at the top
eh?

>>69084730
1. MCNs still exist
2. We literally see a vtuber company die every other week.
3. A competent vtuber corpo isn't like an MCN and are providing actual things of value, such as models, branding/marketing, whatever other stuff. MCNs meanwhile basically just handle some of the clerical load while leeching. This makes it much easier for affiliated streamers to bounce from MCNs when problems arise.
4. MCNs (mostly) died off because youtube automated much of what used to be their workload, with combined elements of terrible management (Maker, Machinima), and generally staying constrained to a small and undiversified circlejerk of niche channels (Channel Awesome).
5. Taking advantage of simps is the world's oldest profession and vtuber corpos cast a pretty wide net with talents, and with both the company/brand itself and the individual girls acquiring very loyal fanbases that are both separate but still very related, it creates a structure much more resilient to fame decay. When new girls join they get an immediate head start from the corpo's fans (joining Hololive guarantees you 300k subs overnight, joining Mythic doesn't), then they grow their own fans, which they then drip feed back to the corpo and any older girls with dying relevancy via typical corpo interaction. Fame decay is still a factor obviously, but it's much more manageable as long as you aren't catastrophically yabbing every week and poisoning the viability of the root brand.

Any company that has managed to climb out of 2view hell literally just has to avoid being self sabotaging retards like Nijisanji, and they can coast for at least a decade. The only major external threat to the business model is AI waifus looming on the horizon.

>>69129473
That's the point, dokibird's current popularity is overcharged by drama, just like coco back then.
She's no longer a "midlister" at this point she's a "wildcard" no one can just wake up one day and emulate what happened to her to achieve the same result.

No, vtuber agencies actually make content a lot more enjoyable
Meanwhile nobody gave a shit about MCNs

>>69084950
>nijisanji is idol company
???????? Retard?????

>>69126981
>Scarle
QRD? She finally joined the nijiEN graduation queue?

>>69084950
Bravo, an actual fucking retard managed to post on /vt/, thought it was just a myth.

>>69084950
Bot or actual retard?

>>69084730
>comparing vtuber corps to MCNs
I want this motherfucker's head exploded

>>69095033
The big appeal with being with Hololive(or even Holostars) is the resources they have, and most importantly, Hololive is willing to spend on ALL their talents.
Even if you're the worst earning talent you still get your share of the pie, and they will include you in the organisation's marketing campaigns. Remember, while NijiEN is shitting themselves recently, 2 StarsEN members just got their 3D debut.
Hololive values the strength of the collective group of talents, and they need to equalise the field for all their talents for such groups to form and be in a position to use the groups for great effect.
Being in Hololive means you get opportunities to be in such group projects that will push you up. Remember how Moona's numbers went up after her encounter with Pekora in Minecraft? Hell, HoloID's numbers as a whole went up after HoloID's 3D debut in Holofes. This effect is visible even in external collabs, Aki's rise after her VCR ARK/GTA streams come to mind.

This is literally in one of Cover's financial report, the talents are all collectively stronger if marketed together and it helps to push the weaker members as well. Note how Holostars always puts the entire roster of Stars member into their marketing campaign/projects where possible. Note how Hololive pushes the each generation of talents in their marketing, often letting the weaker members tag along with the stronger members in the same generation for a stronger presentation and helping to pull the weaker members' numbers up.

>>69084950
>Idol culture dies
>Holo dies
>Vtubing = hololive
>Vtubing ends

>>69084730
Taka, you're funny with voices but your business acumen is as bad as your alcohol tolerance.

>>69132934
Don't get me wrong, I do believe Hololive is far better than any other vtuber corpo out there with how it handles things but I don't buy things be picture perfect for everyone.
There was that HoloMyth 3D Anniversary Stream where Kiara was the only one defending Cover while the other 4 were taking shots at management or being silent observers of the rare on-air tiff. Somewhat similarly, Mel must have been upset about something behind the scenes to feel the need to vent to whoever this friend was that ended up backfiring on her and getting her terminated.
I'm sure things are working great for most of the talents but I don't buy that every last one is fully content with the situation in Hololive. They probably just swallowing any grievances they may have since the alternative isn't much better or worse.

>indies are better
>Every indie that has any ambition wants to be in a corpo
Kson waited her 1 year contract to end and immediately joined a corpo, Michael cat jumps ships faster than lightning, and even the ones who are totally indies like Shoto leched from niji for a long time, Shilyly relied on the Veibae copy label to succeed, only Fillian is a true true indie yet she's only up there because of zoomer bait strategy

>>69084730
>Niji implodes from being retards
>Every single corpo is going down
You retards are catching Tortanic-itis.

>>69135363
I don't doubt that there might be issues behind the scenes, but as far as we know, a lot of it seem to be more logistics than actual malice. The new 3D studio doesn't have enough staff on hand, the resources might be a little strained, schedules are packed, etc etc. With sponsor deals there's also the possibility that the sponsors themselves specified that they want certain talents for the sponsor, so the less known members would lose out in that aspect.

>>69084950
>Idol culture is dying and Vtubbing will be free from it soon
The only company that was focussed on idol vtubing is more successful than over. If anything, the company that 'slacked' on idol culture in vtubing is fully imploding with gross abuses so the impetus will be towards more proper idol culture.

>>69135405
Filian is in the same association as Shylily. I don't care how many agencies indies join so long as they have their freedom.