/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>69185316
as long as i get to see elira's boobs i dont care

Forget all that shit. Please fucking remember the fact that Nijisanji has been alleged to skimp on paying artists for literal months. A company that does this and still expects their employees to care about internal authorization flows is a circus

>>69185316
Yes, if the fallout is as entertaining as it has been

I would consider that fire-able. If a holo did something like that, I would be really shocked. I still think Selena was justified, considering she invested $15k into it independently, and she was quitting, and she was planning to be dead anyway. But I do think it's worth firing someone over, particularly asking for reuploads.

>>69185316
A suspension maybe

>>69185316
>Is uploading a music video without permission and encouraging your fans to re-upload it a termination-worthy offense?

No, since the IP in question is owned by the very same company she worked at.

>>69185316
Seems very petty and minor. But if they said 'don't do this' and then she did it (and I think at that point she had the moral justification to do so) then I'd say yeah fire her. It sucks, but clearly something was up between the two of you anyway.

The issue isn't in the firing, so much as their handling of things got to the point where she was hospitalized and everything going downhill from there.

>>69185316
It also comes after Managerial neglect being the trigger for the whole thing.

>>69185521
This

>>69185517 (me)
my fucking autocorrect always changes selen to Selena and it makes me feel like I have terminal brain cancer. Also just to reiterate: black company, and it's a good thing that Selen is free of that shithole

>>69185316
>Is uploading a music video without permission and encouraging your fans to re-upload it a termination-worthy offense?
Only if its a bad music video

>>69185316
>Knows about the project for months
>Refuses to request perms so the talent has to do it herself
>Ghosts when asked for a final check
>Cites own IP as the reason for taking it down despite it being fine for other talents
Yes this does warrant termination of the manager.

>>69185544
They said DONT DO THIS after ghosting her for days when there was a deadline.

Its bad management.

I think what's wild about this is that it took until this whole event for people to start being like "Hey, you know actually this company treats everyone like dogshit."

If you had asked me this time last year, I would say that Niji's EN group was the most successful Vtuber group on the market right now, both in terms of actual entertainment value and quality members. And it's crazy how in the span of like, a week, all of them either have left the company or have just being complete shitheels.

>>69185476
I understand that the music video thing is irrelevant drama in the bigger picture, but it's the only part of Selen's side that she would possibly concede.

>>69185661
Yup, once you break it down the manager was the one at fault

>>69185316
It was multiple instances of similar things. In that case it could be warranted. But the true reason it came to a head was the breakdown of negotiations.

>>69185316
Forget all that shit. This is a derail thread for tge purpose of hiding the fact that PEKORA BOUGHT A FUCKING MONKEY

>>69185661
but who is manager?

>>69185316
Without the full context, it sounds really bad to most Japanese people so yes. With the full context then no, plus others have done worse and gotten away with it.

>>69185705
And it was all done on the backs of the Talent.

This is what legit WAGE THEFT looks like.

>>69185544
>But if they said 'don't do this' and then she did it (and I think at that point she had the moral justification to do so) then I'd say yeah fire her.
The problem seems to be less that they had some firm rules, and Selen went out of her way to break them, but rather that it's basically coming out left and right that the company actually has NO rules and their managers are either completely retarded, completely absent, or outsource all of their decision making and enforcement of policy to part-timers who couldn't give a shit either way.

If you work at a company where the rules about what you can do and can't do change from moment to moment, then how can you be responsible for what they choose to blow up about?

>>69185837
My mom

>>69185678
She submitted it for final approval at the start of the weekend and didn't even wait 2 days. We can only assume that she was so menhera and was so distracted she left it that late. That doesn't justify going over them though.

>>69185316
>Is uploading a music video without permission and encouraging your fans to re-upload it a termination-worthy offense?
Yes. If this was an isolated instance then it's at least a suspension but if what Vox said in their video is true, that she's ignored instructions from management multiple times in the past, then termination is 100% justified.

>>69185749
The underpaid exploited highschooler that Nijisanji hire to manage 10 talents by himself? who could've guessed it?

>>69185316
Considering all the things Luca has done, even prior to the leaks, and he still isnt fired.
No, it was only worth a suspension, this was extremely petty of them.

>>69185316
It can't happen in Hololive in the first place because if they want to tell their kidneys that they don't approve the MV, they'll tell its not approved instead of ghosting them for months

>>69185740
Nah she was justified in the actions she took.

>>69185911
Yeah I'm kinda fucking confused as to how it is coming out that the people working there seem to make jack shit? Like they make content, they stream every day, they do collabs, they fly around the world, they do all this shit, and then they're just casually like "Oh yeah, we only earn a 1% cut on the stuff that we sell, and we have to pay out of pocket for everything." Like, motherfucker what is even the point of the company then? You're all just giving this company all your money, all because they own the character you were allowed to wear the costume of? Fuck all of that shit.

>>69185964
it should have only taken and HOUR tops. As it was a project known about for Months and had a lead time of almost 2 years you dipshit.

It's completely ridiculous in this case. Sure, if an employee didn't follow a set procedure at any job, then that's something to be disciplined for.

But by not getting permission here, what did Nijisanji lose?? They're upset because the MV gives the idea that every talent is close and friendly even after graduation?? Was there something about the portrayals that was offensive or distasteful in the actual MV??

>>69185316
I dont think you actually understand the point here. No one cares about corporate rules. They dont exist to subsist upon themselves. Corporations exist to ensure a higher quality product. Corporations function in vtubing because there is a general assumption that being in a good corporation leads to higher quality productions overall. 3D concerts and high quality MVs rather than a girl with a good voice singing a 'cover' over an edited instrumental version of an anime OP set to a 3 minute reel of generic stock art.

Nijisanji's complaint is that selen completely bypassed nijisanji in the production of this high quality MV. They did not get her the permissions for the song, they did not provide art, they did not do audio, they did not do mixing, they did not do editing. She came to them to upload the song they did not make and they said no.

In that case the simple answer is that nijisanjis termination is justified.

>>69186107
Don't worry champ, when you graduate high school and get a real job you'll learn things take time.

>>69185316
Given that the "permissions" she lacked were literally for IP owned by the very company she works for? Absolutely not. She never should have needed "permission" to show characters that Anycolor owns in the first place. It was a bullshit excuse intended to make her miss the Christmas deadline. Which is also why management stalled for 37 hours before even responding to her the first time. And another 12 hours for the next reply. Their evidence of "Selen being in the wrong" was actually evidence of power abuse.

>>69185980
>she ignore management

the same management that was constantly ignoring her.

A contract works both ways dipshit.

>>69185964
One of your best talents that have done a lot of things for the brand and is a key part of it's growth is going through difficult moments and skips the literal last confirmation.
Yeah, let's fire the bitch, that should get a lesser impact than not getting the approval of use of characters that we own!

and I hope noone tries to excuse the manage with "but he probably didn't know she was through a menhera episode" because that's THE MAIN THING A MANAGER SHOULD WORRY ABOUT, THE WELLBEING OF THEIR MONEY MAKER.

Holy shit this level of incompetency makes me annoyed.

>>69185837
Wasn't is pretty much confirmed to be Hex because Niji was stupid enough to leave some characters on the screenshot and anons figure it was his PLname+M(Manager)?

>>69185997
Hololive seems to be structured like a normal corporate business where every aspect of it has salaried and assigned managers, sub-managers, and departments who all funnel upwards.

I think everyone THOUGHT Nijisanji was like that, but in fact it just seems to be like a handful of dudes on Discord all doing jack shit an calling themselves a company.

>>69186153
>how dare people expect people to do their jobs as managers

That you NDF

>>69185980
>Imagine nothing but the video is true
>Goes into schizo NDF Faggotry anyway
Sister you're RUINING YOUR OWN PSYOP

>>69185316
They didn't terminate her over the MV, she was suspended while they tried to force her to put out a statement that she was wrong and everything was her fault. She refused, asked to be released from her contract and got ghosted for a week, then sent a document with her evidence against the company and said she would make a public statement if they didn't agree to end her contract. At which point they freaked out and put out a termination notice almost immediately hoping to control the narrative.

>>69186107
It was in her hands, she submitted it for final approval when she did. You don't know that everyone that needed to sign off on it was in the office on Sunday. So no it only works in your imaginary company head canon. If you don't like corporate bureaucracy then you don't sign up for it.
>>69186216
Mori had a recent charity event and mentioned that she wanted people on the JP side to collab too but apparently they're all busy and a month advance warning wasn't enough time. There's a reason she's not booted to the curb too. Well one of these examples has over 2m subs and the other had 800k, but I do still take your sentiment seriously.

>>69185476
I really do wonder if the "Selen Demanded Anycolor should be held legally responsible" bit of that termination statement was actually her just asking for reimbursement for the Artists they forgot to pay.

>>69186152
>Nijisanji's complaint is that selen completely bypassed nijisanji in the production of this high quality MV.
No, that's not their complaint, because literally every project is produced by and paid for by the streamers themselves. As far as has been leaked, revealed, and explained, Nijisanji is functionally 100% hands-off when it comes to the production and distribution of things like music videos and animations and events, and they really only exist to lock things down or keep them from happening when it be comes a question of "have we fully secured our bag on this."

>Bureaucracy is okay so long as it's a corpo who does it

>>69186381
This seems to be correct, as far as we can tell.

>>69185316
It is petty if this were the first incidence. However, if this is a recurring issue, I believe it's totally reasonable to fire her for that.

>>69186441
Bureaucracy is fine, if it actually functions and the things the company needs to produce get done in a normal, timely, and quality way. Bureaucracy is retarded when companies start stacking hundreds of middle-managers in between everything and it grinds the actual work to a halt because they're retarded, or they exist to create unnecessary or confusing pipelines things have to go through.

>>69186441
That's why you can make your own and show them how to do it better. It's their company and it's not about okay, it's about it's their company.

>>69185316
>Is uploading a music video without permission and encouraging your fans to re-upload it a termination-worthy offense?
Yes. Selen knew it was pretty much over the moment she started asking people to reupload the video, because she was clearly done with Kurosanji by that point. They have already sabotaged multiple of her projects with their rules autism beforehand, so I understand why she did that and stand by it regardless, even if you take everything else out of the equation.

>>69185316
If we go off of what Nijisanji wanted to do with Cy Yu, plus how they treated Melissa then technically Anycolor owns that MV, so asking for it to be reuploaded would be worthy of firing since Selen was essentially asking to redistribute something that doesn’t belong to her.
The thing is they COULD HAVE simply unprivated the damn thing (after getting their gay ass “perms” checks) during the month Selen was MIA, which would have (mostly) stopped people from reuploading, or would have at least given Niji an excuse to properly copyright strike the reuploads without much of a fuss. Then they could have given Selen a suspension or something, let her graduate on her own terms, and literally none of this would have happened.

>>69185316
Everything is termination worthy, they decide the rules, of course they will give themselves the freedom to terminate anyone for any reason. From an economic point of view it makes very little sense to terminate her, she was the largest female EN vtuber at the time and it doesn't seem like there were any problems other than occasional management miscommunication.

>>69185316
No.

>>69185316
>Is uploading a music video without permission and encouraging your fans to re-upload it a termination-worthy offense?

Fuck no, especially if I didn't pay anything for it. This was literally free content for Niji and they flushed it down the toilet to be bitter, spiteful cunts

IF, for whatever reason, I knew that the song perms would good and it was just some red tape in the video I would take the video and strip the video out, privating the original for the time being and putting the thumbnail image for the whole video until those kinks could be worked out. When perms are worked out, swap the videos.

It's clear Selen's only real desire was for it to be up on Christmas. Which is easy enough. It doesn't necessarily HAVE TO include the video, it's a song after all. I, with no experience with Sony Vegas or other related video editing software, am confident I could do this in about thirty minutes of work.

So the manager just saying "lol fuck off nigger" isn't just being needlessly difficult, it's also being absurdly lazy. There's red tape from corporate inflexibility and then there's just being an uncompromising cunt, and her manager chose the latter.

>>69186395
My troon, they own the IPs in the video. There was never an issue. The only reason to not approve it was out of SPITE and BULLYING.

It only proves the bullying.

>>69186099
Selen spent $200,000 last year on projects, which I guess means she had $200,000 to spend. Unless she's in massive debt, but I feel like this would have collapsed a lot sooner in that case.

>>69185316
It does not matter one iota what Selen did or did not do.

The termination notice was a three page rant slandering a girl who just attempted suicide, as if they were trying to finish her off. To top it off, AnyColor put all of its talent’s lives in danger by suggesting, to several hundred thousand angry Dragoons, that maybe she was bullied to the point of suicide by her fellow talents. (In addition to revealing that they tried to cover up the suicide, by skinwalking.)

And then, they DOUBLED DOWN, and made the now infamous "black stream" in which they slandered the girl who made an attempt AGAIN and put their talents in the firing line AGAIN.

Elira’s career is over. Thanks to this, she’ll never be able to work in media again, and she’ll be lucky if she can even come home to Canada without fearing for her life on the daily.

Selen could have fucking MURDERED someone and it still wouldn't justify AnyColor's actions.

>>69186664
>what Nijisanji wanted to do with Cy Yu
That shit still boggles my mind. How the fuck are you going to tell a big VA that he has to quit his main career if he wants to be a liver? Especially when we know, for a fact, that other livers have worked(and some still work) jobs on the side. They really wanted to own his fucking voice. What a bunch of twats.

>>69186700
>of course they will give themselves the freedom to terminate anyone for any reason.
I know that's standard practice in third world shitholes like North Korea, Bangladesh, and America, but most countries don't operate that way. Employees, even 'contractors' like what Niji does to evade regular employment laws, sign contracts dictating acceptable behavior and unlike an EULA, it's not something you can just write "Also subject to change depending on our feelings or which one of the pajeets. you get on call that day"

>>69186771
Why are you ignoring the logic? If the guys responsible aren't in the office on Sunday it's not getting done. This has nothing to do with what you posted.

Depends on context.

From my experience with corporate workflow, a product manager was being updated about the project along the way.

Selen must have sent a storyboard way back when the project started. Storyboards include all notable characters, narrative design, progression, and style.
------------------------------

Selen must have sent the audio recordings, in order to get approved via a DRM DMCA tool, and make sure it passes HDCP handshakes.
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Selen must have sent report of the permission of the rights-holder (Lilypichu).
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They stone-walled her in the very last step, ie, the final check before release, which is just to make sure everything came in together properly. That betrays sabotage or extremely lousy and disjointed management. It borders on absurdist comedy. Even tiny start-ups don't make these mistakes.
Not to mention, they created the rule after the fact. There was no rule or guideline in place about incorporating ex-livers in a video. Several livers had produced videos that depicted ex-livers by this point, without any issues. Management / liver never made any comments about asking for permission from an ex-liver.
Management was incompetent and dragged their feet / Elira clique sabotaged the MV ----> Selen unprivates it because she acted emotionally and felt betrayed, after having spent a lot of money, and after having promised her fans ---------> Knee jerk suspension -----------> Behind-the-scenes harassment and intrigue ---------> Selen attempts to an-hero -----------> Hospiralized --------> Management try figure out a way to terminate her with cause before her contract expiry, so they attempt to make her radioactive, like they did with Zaion --------------> They create the "new" rule about ex-livers, assert she broke said rule (retroactively), terminate her and smear her in the process -----------> Selen spills the beans

>>69185316
nobody in the west cares about your perm autism

>Prease understand we cannot approve a music video that shows traitorous Ex-Rivers that joined V-Shojo.

There's no reason why the company would hold it up for designs they owned.

>>69186664
>Then they could have given Selen a suspension or something, let her graduate on her own terms, and literally none of this would have happened.
I think they were already panicking because the branch's rot was starting to show. Pomu was already scheduled to graduate, Kyo might have been too, then Selen gets pushed out the door after an obvious dispute with management? Combine that with Nina and Mysta straight-up telling use that the company takes a ridiculous cut doesn't help with shit, and Zaion's claims get more believable too. The branch was already falling apart, they needed to pin this on a villain.

>>69186788
>Selen spent $200,000 last year on projects, which I guess means she had $200,000 to spend
Sure, but that really is only because she was putting together large events that brought in support and viewers from other streamers and outside of their normal fanbase.

I would be willing to wager that the other Niji streamers who do fuck-all probably don't make that much over the year in order to be able to funnel it into projects. A few might, maybe, but most probably are nowhere near. And at the same time, while obviously anyone building a business should accept that you're gonna be in the red or profit-neutral for the first year(s), if she's bringing in numbers for the company, then it would be expected that the company would repay that or offer support for it.

>>69186859
Yup the retroactively makes a rule about ex livers, then a week after the black video, they put out a MV with an ex liver in it that another talent in the agency made.

In a legal sense this can be used in court to show unequal application of the rules and prove that firing was unjust. EVEN IN JAPAN IT WOULD BE THAT WAY.

Sadly yes. IPs in video owned by Nijisanji and she literally ask others to go full copyright infringement route. And considering how much Japs love copyright than yes, they would either terminate/suspend her anyway.
But if we talk about if Doki made right decision by posting that twitter, than yes, cause we wouldnt see that MV and i really liked it.

>>69186771
NTA There is a reason to do it depending on how they do IP rightholding in Nijisanji, if the IP is held by their Japanese branch and they were working as the English branch, a separate entity, that COULD step on toes with corporate.

I say that but I have no fucking proof and I'm basing this on thinking literally the worst possible mismanagement outcome for that company: They're so fucking stupid they centralized all of the rights they need to operate but exported all the work needed to keep the branches running. Basically making things artifically inflexible to give some Japanese businessmen some paper-shuffling jobs.

>>69186788
I think what's happening is that Selen made a lot of money because she invested a lot of money into projects that Nijisanji either refused to fund or agreed to fund and then didn't pay anyone. Like that one artist who couldn't even get them to rubber stamp a form right.

Everyone else just shrugs their shoulders when that happens and then becomes an irrelevant 2view because they don't do anything but play the ever-shrinking list of games all day and make occasional talk streams where they rant for 6 hours about fucking nothing. Selen was one of the most popular because she put that money in for growth

>>69185316
>Is uploading a music video without permission and encouraging your fans to re-upload it a termination-worthy offense?
No, maybe a suspension but clearly not worth some 3 pages long schizo rambling taken straight out of a random high school bully diary.

>>69185316
Given that we now know there was no potential lawsuit resulting from her action (as it was a matter of their own IP) and that they had taken almost two days to review a two minute video that she intended to be a pending graduation/Christmas present for her Dragoons, and all the other times they had cock blocked her for various projects before, no, certainly not worth a termination. If she's a chronic problem as they say, it'd be worth a graduation, at most, and she was ready to leave anyways, even having offered to do so before the termination. No sane company fires someone offering to resign, especially when it's their #1 EN talent by views, so they know it'll be a PR nightmare.

I mean, what were they going to do, go crawl on their hands and knees to Mysta and Nina and beg them for a poorly drawn two second use of their own IP? No, someone blocked that out of spite, and likely that same person terminated her out of spite. It's almost like they were TRYING to kill her.

>>69187029
She was doing what everyone thinks most Streamers do with the money. She was reinvesting the money she was given into her Streaming biz to grow it. That is how its supposed to work.

Not everyone is a lazy twitch thot. VT do a lot more work and actually have to sell on their personality unlike the lazy titty streamers and Onlyfans types. VTing is all about the personality. it actually takes talent and effort. And Selen was putting in the effort all while the Management was sabotaging everything cause it was run by Lazy Black Company slave drivers.

>>69187029
Scarle, who averages 1500 ccv, made over 400K USD in superchats and memberships in 2023. Granted, other livers made way more via sponsorships and merch, but still.

To give you an idea, Selen accounted for a gross revenue of 1.1 million USD in 2023, and she took home a little over 220K USD.

>>69186843
It’s pretty strange, you’d think having a VA be one of your talents would be a plus, not a minus. His PL work (and any continued roles) could indirectly lead fans of his to Nijisanji via rabbit hole

>>69186846
> If the guys responsible aren't in the office on Sunday
NTA but they're in the office long enough to tell her to fuck off but not long enough to actually say yes/no to the project or find someone who can and have no way to contact them on what boils down to thousands of dollars of free money for the company

i think that's pretty damning on its own that it's not her fault. it's just professional etiquette to expect some service for emergencies.

>Why was Elira on more merch than Selen even though Selen had a larger membership count, active viewership, and more subs?

>Why did Pomu have to fight tooth and nail to get any sort of merch or sponsorships, which always outsold Elira's?

>Why has Elira, Millie, and Vox completely given up having any sort of presence on Twitter or YT, let alone their PLs? Even Ike and Enna have resumed activities.

>Why was Scarle quickly ushered back in and forgiven despite slighting the clique?

Why was Elira the aristocrat and Selen the servant?

>>69186152
>how dare you be competent

>>69185316
it is, pretty sure she was aiming to get terminated because they wouldn't graduate her
and she was fine with it and it was all gonna just blow over, and then..... niji fucked themselves over and over

>>69187347
We are finding out that some real egocentric control freaks that dont actually want to do real work run Niji right now.

>>69187314
>Selen accounted for a gross revenue of 1.1 million USD in 2023
Does this include sponsorships and merch? Do we actually have good numbers for that?

>>69185316
>Is uploading a music video without permission and encouraging your fans to re-upload it a termination-worthy offense?
Suspension-worthy, yes. She only got terminated after her lawyer sent them the legal docs.

>>69187347
Exactly. Every job he takes is an advertisement to check out his channel. Anycolor was incredibly shortsighted on that one.

>>69187367
I saw a rrat earlier about how for their first outfits, Elira and (someone else? Don't remember exactly) got to discuss with the artists and do all kinds of requests about what they wanted on it. Elira's outfit looked like royalty. She had a tiara and everything.

Pomu, on the other hand, said that she didn't get to coordinate with her artist at all and that she was pretty sad about it. Her outfit?
Maid outfit.


Someone please tell me I didn't hallucinate that post

>>69187314
NTA but would it be fair to assume they're proportional, then? That means Selen was taking home a little over 18% for supachats and member streams alone, discounting merchs and voice packs (but we get into the 2% thing when we talk about those)

So, proportionally, that would mean Scarle took home $72K. Which isn't 'bad', it's less than a professional field for sitting on your ass and playing games and singing, but we don't know if Scarle is also having the same problems of Niji not paying the fucking people they agreed to work with resulting in out-of-pocket expenses.

>>69186795
I really expected the black stream to be an apology and an announcement that the talents were going to be forced to attend 'sensitivity training' or some such.

I never imagined they'd just repeat the same mistake, only in stream form.

>>69185544
I think the problem comes from nijiEN's """""hands free"""" approach, to put lightly.
We know, via Mysta and Nina, that Niji barely gave support for most talents, and people outside of the company confirmed it (mostly saying talents had to pay them because the company wouldn't)
So I don't think it's a stretch that they let Selen move forward with this project mostly """""hands free""""" like always, so she did. They got mad.

>>69187655
Voice packs are supposedly the only merch that pays well for livers. According to Pomu, they are equal in value to streamlabs donations. Unfortunately I cannot find an actual source saying what the % cut is for either of those. Everyone says 50%, but nobody cites a source for it.

>>69187422
The whole reason lawyers got involved was because she wanted to graduate, ie contract termination with cause. She was trying to assert, through her lawyer, that she had valid cause to sever the contract, due to workplace harassment violations and emotional/psychological abuse. They dragged their feet, and they had her under suspension for over a month, refusing to terminate the contract with cause, because it would have cost them more.


This hole shitshow could have been avoided if they'd allowed her to graduate amicably. Instead, they decided to smear her and employ the Zaion execution protocol. I hope the 18% drop on market capitalization was worth the couple thousand dollars they saved by terminated her for breach of contractual obligations. They lost 162 million dollars thus far, but at least they saved the money they would have had to fork over to Selen for residual merch sales and vps.


Anycolor can't stop winning.

>>69187609
So you're telling me the entirety of NijiEN is built around feeding and reinforcing the princess delusions of one girl and her friends?

every company keeps a list for every employee of shit theyve done wrong. they sit on it until they want to fire someone. its listed as the reason but it's unrelated. this gives them cover from wrongful termination lawsuits

>>69185964
The manager knew about the deadline being Christmas.
The pic shared by the three stooges, you can see that Selen actually @manager by 8am on the 24th. The manager has no excuse for not responding, what are they going to say "I had notifs disabled"?
The manager only responded 9pm of the 25th, over 30 hours later.

And we're talking about the final check, the manager should've known and being part of previous checks.

>>69187525
Yes, it includes everything.

Also, the aggregate for youtube income (memberships, superchats) takes into account the youtube cut (40%), but it doesn't take into account the Anycolor/liver split. We postulate it's 50:50 of that 60% that remains, but no one's managed to prove it outright.

>>69185316
She had perms and encouraging people to re-upload it was just knocking shit over before she left (understandable, and based btw). All you stupid gooks had to do was give her her cover lol.

>>69186795
>Elira’s career is over. Thanks to this, she’ll never be able to work in media again, and she’ll be lucky if she can even come home to Canada without fearing for her life on the daily.
She could work as a representative for Bad Dragon

>>69186395
>You don't know that everyone that needed to sign off on it was in the office on Sunday.
It was a cover music anon, you needed approval from higher ups from the start.

>>69187811
There's a statement on their website that the voice pack revenue split (minus fees paid to the sales platform) is 50/50, they put this out in response to a Narukami thing several years back
https://www.anycolor.co.jp/news/1116
Kind of funny they never put out a similar statement regarding "2%", almost like it's correct...

>>69186152
Now you're just making shit up, and the funny part is it makes you look even worse.

>>69187930
No, most companies do not publicly disparage their employees to the world in an effort to make sure they can never work in the industry again. AnyColor is the only Vtuber company to do it, aside from WACTOR which just doxes their talents. It's bad form designed to simply frighten the remaining talents to stay in line.

Normally, you just make a short termination announcement citing "creative differences" or some such, wish them luck in their future endeavors, and the very worst you do to them is refuse to supply them with a reference.

>>69185316
Read her termination notice again, she wasn't fired for telling her fans to reupload. The timeline goes something like this:
>not punished for uploading without permission, they just take down the video
>suspended after she tells her fans to reupload
>a few weeks of silence where she is in the hospital
>Niji demands public apology, Selen refuses
>requests to graduate on neutral terms instead
>negotiations break down
>Selen gets a lawyer, collects evidence and hands it in
>Niji panics about potential lawsuit, terminated immediately
They were still trying to keep her on until the day of her termination.

>>69185964
Management is a fucking job. You don't do your job, when you're on the clock, you get fucking fired. Managers aren't streamers, they don't get to make their own hours. Even so, the livers at Nijisanji do work on holidays. You expect the livers to work longer fucking hours than their managers? To take fewer days off? The managers can't even be there when they're needed for procedural concerns? You're fired.

>>69185740
Nah. Note how she waited 37 hours for a reply but didn't get any despite "management" knowing the cover was coming, yet as soon as the cover went up they were right on that shit to bonk her for it. Like they were waiting for it. It was very deliberate. If she had waited she'd never have gotten a reply.

>>69186153
Use that excuse when your boss asks you what the fuck you're doing in the office and see how long it takes them to come back with a bitch slap

>>69185316
>Project in the works for at least a full year
>Everything is good to go but don't do your job as management until JUST prior to it being scheduled to be uploaded
>Whoa hold on, I gotta check permissions for OUR OWN IP THAT WE ALREADY HAVE PERMISSIONS OF BECAUSE IT'S OURS

>>69188361
Forgot to add that she has no reason to concede on that point.

>>69187609
>>69187895
I found it

>>69185316
Niji did give her a warning back in may that she'd be risking termination for any further rule breaches. Although keep in mind that includes stuff like saying "management has privated the video" or other disparaging remarks towards them. Pic related.
Based on the phrasing of the termination notice and how they were trying to get her to make statements to calm down the drama around the MV, it's possible that they were just planning on suspending her for a period if she apologized/begged for forgiveness. She does have a lot of subs so there may have been at least some incentive to keep her.

From recent statements by Doki, it seems like the Termination was in response to the fact that she lawyered up and claimed to have receipts of wrongdoing.
They certainly had a laundry list of rules violations to point to in order to distract from it being just that, but that's standard practice in large corporations. Keep a record of all of someone's fuck-ups so that when you fire them, you can list all of those fuck-ups at once as the reason, even if you were actually firing them for something else.

If you want to get more rrat-brained it's possible that screwing with her permissions on the MV was some sort of loyalty test to see if she would politely wait and have the video be delayed, or if she would complain about management on twitter again. It's very possible that somebody within the company was aiming to get her fired, but simply didn't expect her to post the video outright, attempt sudoku, and then try and bring a lawyer into it.

>>69188315
nta it could very well be they have the retarded Japanese businessman mindset of "I musto workeru longer than my boss or its dishonorubu" so they don't think twice about the livers working longer than the people who organize the perms and paperwork

>>69188096
Thanks anon. It's nice to have the confirmation. Now I just need to find a source for supas and memberships.

>>69188420
This. It was all just a bunch of arbitrary bullshit to fuck her over and anyone who isn't a bootlicker can see it. It wasn't the first time they had fucked her over either. It was just one more shit in a long line of bullshit.

>>69186123
This. They should have just modified and reuploaded it without privating it, since it was a minor problem. The scolding could come after everything was done.
The simple fact of privating the video would be a cause for speculation in the community.

Thread's OST:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRn3eJad9Tg

>>69186795
That's a whole lot of text for it to essentially just be
>You can't fire a brand risk who blatantly broke the rules and is trying to sue you! She nearly killed herself

Such emotional faggtots. Is there an "X" raid here or what?

>>69185316
She didn't get fired for that. She got fired for sending in a document with a list of complaints about the company

>>69188699
>a brand risk
turns out firing her was the brand risk

>>69187930
The reason they become so deranged, in my humble opinion, is precisely because there's ground for a wrongful termination suit.

I can't believe they are so amateurish,
In JP law, wrongful termination is very, very, very hard to litigate:
Grounds for termination include the following that are relevant :
(i) an employee’s inability to provide labour due to injury, disability, illness or permanent damage, significantly poor performance, or loss of the trust relationship due to material fraud in an application for employment;
(ii) breach of work responsibilities and duties, orders, or workplace disciplines, policies and internal rules; and (iii) loss of job responsibility, redundancy due to business downsising, economic reasons, or corporate dissolution. All grounds for dismissal shall be set out in the work rules or in the employment contract.
Also, their whistleblower laws are different as it relates with wrongful termination
They thought they were in the clear by suspending Selen for a month and then terminating her, even though she was hospitalized, because they are protected under Japanese law.
It's not so clear-cut in Canadian law:

https://www.canada.ca/en/services/jobs/workplace/federal-labour-standards/termination.html

SC ruling:
https://www.mccarthy.ca/en/insights/blogs/canadian-employer-advisor/supreme-court-canada-rules-wrongful-termination-damages
Anyway, I believe that's the main reason they tried to assassinate her character. They needed to make sure they are covered from a legal perspective when it comes to wrongful termination/unjust dismissal.

>>69188315
Management does take holidays off, that's why we didn't get the response/apology videos until the long weekend in Japan was over kek.

>>69188541
I think it may be a combination of this but also the lawyering up thing was likely a panic-filled moment where she said "You've been mistreating me and I have receipts" and later saying "Here are the receipts to prove it"
Which would explain why they immediately kicked her out the door with the three page hitpiece to get the first shot off in what they thought would be tons of drama, and then the black screen video to get ahead of the OTHER drama presented in the legal documents.

>>69188541
The thing that happened in May was her outfit contest. Management was PISSED that she made them look greedy. She posted how she had to fight for the ability to pay prize money. Out of her own pocket. If one contest gets prize money, people will expect other contests to as well.

>>69188779
It's still retarded. If one person gets to take a break then there MUST be someone else to hold down the form while they're gone. There can't just be a day in the schedule where there isn't a fucking manager on deck for a whole fucking branch, that's legitimately stupid from a business stand point

>>69188420
>Whoa hold on, I gotta check permissions for OUR OWN IP THAT WE ALREADY HAVE PERMISSIONS OF BECAUSE IT'S OURS
Yeah, this part is fucking ridiculous. In what situation would she not instantly get permissions here? Intentional sabotage.

>>69188773
The character assassination thing also lines up with how a Japanese company would go about this problem: Character is a huge part in Japanese civil case law because it gets a foot in the door for rulings that their testimony is untrustworthy. That's why companies are almost always assumed of doing the right thing: they have the most to lose if they aren't.

So coming right out the gate with character assassination would be a textbook opener for a drawn-out civil case if they believed it was going to come down to that. Unfortunately, they didn't hire a fucking Canadian lawyer.

>>69188199
absolutely, i'd agree anycolor fucked that part up

>>69188699
>"X" raid
Sis, didn't you just try to raid X with your positive spam? You know full well raids don't work.

>>69188541
You have the dates and progression of events all messed up. You appear to be either extremely confused or are astroturfing.

>>69188315
When the fuck is on the clock? Do you really believe that management works every day and every hour? There's usually one manager for every wave. Do you expect that one manager to never get time off? Aren't you niggers the one supposed to be arguing against people working in sweatshop conditions?

>>69189041
>what the fuck is shift work

>>69189041
nta but every management company that I know of has people on-clock and on-call. on-call managers are the ones they call at like 3 AM in the morning because their account had a breach or Kyo said nigger again.

>From my experience with corporate workflow, a product manager was being updated about the project along the way.

>Selen must have sent a storyboard way back when the project started. Storyboards include all notable characters, narrative design, progression, and style.
----->
>Selen must have sent the audio recordings, in order to get approved via a DRM DMCA tool, and make sure it passes HDCP handshakes.
----->
>Selen must have sent report of the permission of the rights-holder (Lilypichu).
----->

>They stone-walled her in the very last step, ie, the final check before release, which is just to make sure everything came in together properly. That betrays sabotage or extremely lousy and disjointed management. It borders on absurdist comedy. Even tiny start-ups don't make these mistakes.
>Not to mention, they created the rule after the fact. There was no rule or guideline in place about incorporating ex-livers in a video. Several livers had produced videos that depicted ex-livers by this point, without any issues. Management / liver never made any comments about asking for permission from an ex-liver.

>Management was incompetent and dragged their feet / Elira clique sabotaged the MV ----> Selen unprivates it because she acted emotionally and felt betrayed, after having spent a lot of money, and after having promised her fans ---------> Knee jerk suspension -----------> Behind-the-scenes harassment and intrigue ---------> Selen attempts to an-hero -----------> Hospiralized --------> Management try figure out a way to terminate her with cause before her contract expiry, so they attempt to make her radioactive, like they did with Zaion --------------> They create the "new" rule about ex-livers, assert she broke said rule (retroactively), terminate her and smear her in the process -----------> Selen spills the beans

>>69188793
Yeah, they likely built up stuff for a potential termination, but once they saw that Selen wasn't backing down they panicked.

>>69188864
That does feel like a major factor in this, making management look bad and forcing them to put in extra work approving things.
That is probably where the 8 month decline roughly starts, where they were probably dragging their feet or saddling her with as much extra red tape as possible in hopes that she'd either quit or fuck up hard enough that they could easily justify a termination. Or perhaps they just wanted to break her spirit enough where she'd be a more loyal employee.
Hard to guess exact motives, but either way, it's a compelling timeline.

>>69188699
You don't put your talent's lives in danger, period. And, no, of course you're not allowed to publicly slander a girl who just attempted suicide, regardless of what she may have threatened to do, that's just fundamental PR. You can fire her, if you really must, but you be damned apologetic to the public about it and try to keep it quiet.

The move cost them far more reputation and money than the "upload this" MV tweet ever did and far more than any case or leak that Doki could possibly ever bring against them could ever do, unless she has a video of Riku raping her or some shit.

>>69187991
Youtube cut is 30%.
Niji (talents included) might wind up with only 60% on average because Apple takes another 30% if you're dumb enough to buy anything through an iOS device.

>>69189041
That's what a fucking JOB is. We call that work, it's how professionals operate. Nijisanji clearly does not have a professional bone in their entire fucking mausoleum of a company though

>>69188995
it really shows the difference in mentality between both countries

>>69189041
That's basically how management works.
Chill most of the time, but you need to be on-call almost all the time for when shit happens. You NEED to respond for shit happening.

>>69185316
Yes. You can literally kill the company if you upload something that gets copyright stricken. Repeatedly showing contempt for the rules is grounds for termination.

>>69189259
I don't think you've ever actually worked a job in your life.

>>69186153
If you've ever gotten a real job and worked on any projects, you'd know that if this manager was competent, there'd be a chain of communication that was so much longer than what was shown in that video.

At a minimum, there would have been communications and documentation about artists, the storyboards for the MV would have to be approved ahead of time, the individual illustrations would have to be approved on an individual basis for appearance and so on. Not to mention that the MV was ready to go for months before christmas. Especially if Selen was managing the project on her own.

There's no way this rule wasn't caught well before the video is supposed to go live.

>>69189210
The money is split 3-ways.

Liver - Anycolor - Youtube.
Youtube takes a static 40% (I think).
Anycolor then takes 50% of the remainder (speculation).
Liver takes the remainder.

>>69185316
>Is uploading a music video without permission and encouraging your fans to re-upload it a termination-worthy offense?
AnyColor doesn't really care about the MV premiering without perms from their IP.
AnyColor cares that Selen publicly disgraced their company by publicly blaming management.
It's the same as the shit from May. AnyColor wasn't mad about the fashion contest. They eventually allowed her to provide cash prizes, after all. What AnyColor was mad about was that Selen publicly disgraced their company by publicly saying she had to fight with them to provide cash prizes, and from her own pocket at that.

That's why the termination notice goes on about trying to disclose the reasons behind making the video private; Why it mentions expressing their expectations for future compliance.
They literally only care about their image in the eyes of stockholders.
They're Japanese so they don't comprehend how raking an employee over the coals can disgrace their image. If the employee couldn't stand the heat then obviously the problem is with the employee not the company.

>>69188541
>They were trying to get her to make statements to calm down the drama around the MV,
They caused that drama. They could've eliminated it by unprivating the video, publicly apologizing, and fucking off.

>>69189316
Every source says YT takes 30%, just Google it my man.
Wait...
Okay maybe Bing it.

>>69189035
The progression of events is pretty clear
>May: Selen gets into conflicts with management, posts about their fuckups on twitter
>May-December: Management makes Selen's life difficult
>December: MV fiasco, Selen's final straw, sudoku, suspension
>January: Discussions with Selen and her lawyer about how to resolve all this
>February: Final document sent, 2 hours later, immediate termination
Where do you think I've missed something?

>>69185517
I would've accepted it as a reasonable enough reason to terminate her contract(even if I didn't like it), but then we got that black stream where their cherry picked receipts to help their case was, "we need to check if we can use the IP we own". It wasn't about the artwork or the music(which they had definitely had permission for), it was about Nijisanji's own IP being brought up as a potential issue a couple of hours before the planned Christmas day release of a cover that had been in production for well over a year. The cover song situation seems completely unreasonable.
The decision to actually terminate her contract appears to have come a couple of hours after her lawyer had sent Nijisanji some legal documents which makes it a lot harder to know what the issue was as we don't exactly know what it was saying or threatening.

>>69188699
We're going to keep fucking you up until you can't get a job sucking dick in a soapland, Elira.

>>69189380
I'm well aware. The termination notice said they wanted statements from her to help fix it. The fact that Niji is retarded about their plans to try and fix things doesn't change that they still supposedly had some use for her at that point.

>>69189179
>they were probably dragging their feet or saddling her with as much extra red tape as possible in hopes that she'd either quit
This is generally how Japanese companies operate. They want to force you to quit so they don't have to fire you.
It's considered dishonorable to quit. It means you have poor work ethic. It makes it hard for you to get hired elsewhere.
On the other hand, firing an employee makes the company look bad, because it means they hired someone who they needed to fire. It means the company is incompetent.
It's the exact opposite of western views; where quitting is seen as you getting out of a bad company and being fired means you probably did something very wrong.

>>69189211
It's cost her close to 200 million dollars in stock price alone.
If you account for potential loss in revenue due to sponsors and liver income.... it was an extremely destructive move.


Riku did a 5-second 45 degree bow (最敬礼). You rarely see that in the corporate world, unless it's about MASSIVE oopsies.

Japanese seem to generally misunderstand the western mindset that the employees are the important part of the operation
Cover, as far as I can tell, seems to operate that way and it works very well for them

>>69189446
Well you already fucked up cause the first one is wrong.

>>69189561
Their statement is still funny as fuck, an own-goal like you almost never see any more.

>>69185316
>Is uploading a music video without permission and encouraging your fans to re-upload it a termination-worthy offense?

I mean, if the video still needed third party permissions then yes. In this instance, the video was privated because it had Nina and Mysta in it for one scene, both of whose likenesses are solely owned by Anycolor Corporation. There shouldn't have been any 'permissions' needed to begin with, their characters are both company assets.

Can we all just agree the whole 'Oh nooo Selen-san you need perms from your own company to use their IP' reasoning to private the video was bullshit that was likely cooked up by a spiteful manager who was still angry that Selen bypassed management to get the perms for the song directly from Lilypichu?

They didn't care about the MV, they just wanted to punish Selen for stepping out of line and being a pain in the ass for so long. I bet someone told her manager to ignore her so she couldn't upload the video in time for christmas.

>>69189626
You don't think publicly complaining about a 24 hour window for a voicepack or telling everyone that she had to fight with management to be able to pay prize money for an art contest constitutes 'conflicts with management'?

>>69189601
That wasn't a result of her announcing the simple truth that management privated the MV. Stock was nice and stable up until to February.

That was the result of them slandering a girl who they drove to suicide, while putting the blame on their talents. (And then doing it all over again in the black stream.)

>>69189739
NTA, it's only a conflict if the management is super petty and abuses their power in retaliation as Niji did, reacting to complaints is an indicator the complaints are true

>>69189303
Imagine copyright striking yourself

>>69189303
Who would copyright-strike them, you fucking mongrel? Anycolor Incorporated?

I'm looking for clarification on this.

What the hell is Aster in "laying low/too new" after the Discord leaks? Why is Finana in merely just "in kahoots"? I know opinion on Rosemi has rapidly changed after the whole "save me pink girl" thing, but is it really confirmed she's part of the clique and not just going along with it so she doesn't end up on their bad side?

And why the fuck is Kotoka Torahime not here? That's another unknown quantity to me because she didn't just throw Zaion under the bus, she put rocket boosters on Zaion and had a fleet of buses drive over her and then back up and drive over her again. But... she didn't tweet out the bullshit "Message from Nijisanji" video, either. So... Consensus?

And, Petra. She seems innocuous (then again, so did Rosemi). But she's part of Zuttoღo, which is Millie/Enna/Reimu's little gang which is clique central.

While I'm sure Niji did jerk her around with delays and making up new permissions prior to what's shown in the screenshot, the fact is that she submitted a version of the video for review with content the manager had never seen before on Dec 24, for a cover she wanted to release on Dec 25. There's clearly more than a few last minute touch-ups going on if management had never even seen the parts with ex-talents prior to this.

>>69189699
>Selen bypassed management to get the perms for the song directly from Lilypichu?
Actually, Lily says she gave the perms directly to Nijisanji.

When Selen made that tweet, we all kind of assumed it was a copyright issue of some sort that could result in a lawsuit. They didn't need her to say anything more to cover their asses. Why they chose to reveal there was no possible lawsuit at all in the black stream, I've no fucking idea.

Why they didn't just delete the fucking tweet, if it was such a huge deal, I also have no idea.

>>69185316
Considering the permission issue stems from just showing an image of their own "products" for half a second, no; its fucking retarded

>>69188793
It was a money issue, she was 15k in the red from her music video and couldn't stream for a whole month.

>>69189962
LK chimed in in a thread (forget when) and mentioned the Rosemi "in cahoots" is a mischaracterization. He said what applies is what he mentioned in the post he made about rosemi on the 9th(?) of february. So, nah, I believe rosemi isn't in the clique but knows about it.

>>69189699
>Can we all just agree the whole 'Oh nooo Selen-san you need perms from your own company to use their IP' reasoning to private the video was bullshit
Millie made it obvious by coming out of nowhere, before anyone knew about anything with her
>oh nyooo selen-chan, didn't you get the perms?????????
When even Lilypichu had confirmed the perms already, so which perms was Millie talking about?

>>69185705
>If you had asked me this time last year, I would say that Niji's EN group was the most successful Vtuber group on the market right now
Come to think of it, you're right. Date-wise, if we go back to 2023, we're just on the cusp of the AR Live getting cancelled and the branch going into a tailspin.

>>69186244
Cover released their financial report and it showed they have around 400 workers with around 210 of them being in-office and 50 of them being chat mods

>>69189211
>You don't put your talent's lives in danger, period
Firing her at all could put a "danger to her life".
Why is it the responsibility of the corporation to walk on egg shells to not set off Selen so she won't kill herself if she has broke the rules and needs to be fired? She threatened to sue beforehand too and said she'd go public if negotiating wouldn't work, are you they supposed to ignore that as part of the context of what happened so that Selen can say "They left out key information" later for a gotcha moment? Did you want them to apologize after every sentence?

Stop putting the responsibility of someone's mental health on the company they work for.

>>69185316
No, because the reasons for it being privated was petty. Not to mention it's now hypocritical.

>>69190013
Oh, you are just creating fanfiction now, I see.

>>69185519
please reread the first sentence of OP before replying to people

>>69190013
If the management had never seen the parts with the ex-livers, that just implies that they weren't keeping up with the project at all. Because there are multiple group shots that are very unlikely to be some sort of last-minute addition.

>>69188541
Seems very likely

>>69185316
>canadian working for asian company
Probably has absolutely fuck all workers rights lol

>>69190013
It is impossible for management to not see a near-year old project.
Impossible.

Lily sent the perms for her song directly to them, they literally can't say the knew nothing about it.

Really though, Nijisanji should have been liable to pay Selen 15k in for business obstruction for deleting her cover after she went through the lengthy production process. Killing a project after it's already done is a waste of everyone's time and money, and THAT deserves to result in punishment

>>69190192
>LK chimed in in a thread (forget when) and mentioned the Rosemi "in cahoots" is a mischaracterization. He said what applies is what he mentioned in the post he made about rosemi on the 9th(?) of february. So, nah, I believe rosemi isn't in the clique but knows about it.

Thank you for that. That makes a lot more sense because... I just haven't seen much evidence that she was a part of it. Other than one anon posting an off-collab where Rosemi was with the clique and saying, "SEE?! THIS IS PROOF!" (and of course the "save me pink girl" thing) when I guess I just wasn't schizo enough to see it.

>>69189380
There was also the much larger issue of her attempted suicide, which was already a rumour in late December. They needed a very public statement of support from her to kill the rrats.

>>69187656
Right? I was expecting an apology for the absence, expression of regret for the circumstance they were in, maybe an acceptance of responsibility and a promise to handle things better in the future. Doubling down would have been the last thing on my mind because it's not fucking high school.

>>69190312
Because it's a company in the fucking media business? PR is a HUGE deal. You don't want it to look like you're trying to kill one of your most beloved performers, which is exactly what that looked like.

>>69185316
Even if you only care about making money, letting your top female talent go over MV permissions is incredibly fucking stupid.

It'd be like a label firing Rihanna because she was late to a show.

>>69190312
>implying
Selen wanted to quit, but with cause, that's why she lawyered up.
Anycolor Incorporated wanted to terminate her for breach of contract.


Both mean "quit" but entail completely different processes.

>>69190013
No, they probably just retroactively decided to deny perms for the content that they had previously approved

>>69185316
same corpo that fired Gundou for making a joke about baseball.

she was insufferable, but this is still unprofessional.

>>69189699
>Can we all just agree the whole 'Oh nooo Selen-san you need perms from your own company to use their IP' reasoning to private the video was bullshit

No, schizo. Millie's Niji defense stream has her say talents choose what projects they are and aren't a part of completely unprompted meaning they have a say in how their characters are used. They also have to ask higher ups if it's acceptable to use an IP in a certain way. This lines up with the fact that it's completely retarded to assume that a Niji could choose to skin walk as Mysta for a stream and for management to go "welp, we own the IP so this is totally alright"

>management has the ability to post on a livers social media
>management wants selen to make another tweet explaining why the video was privated
>management finds out selen is in the hospital and cannot, or will not, make another tweet
>management decides not to make the tweet themselves because... reasons?
>management then terminates her and cites her unwillingness to post a tweet as one of the reasons
If this was such a big fucking deal to the company's reputation, why wouldn't they just skinwalk her twitter account like they have done so many times before and posted the tweet themselves? They could have fixed this "problem" themselves and willingly chose not to do so. So it couldn't have mattered to them that much.

>>69190194
I couldn't explain in words at the time just how strangely aggressive that tweet reply Millie made at the time was to others but anyone who has dealt with a backhanded woman before can sense the intent behind the words

People tried to brush it off as genuine concern or ESL but looking back on it, it was 100% intended to be malicious

>>69190703
Because they wanted Selen to reveal that they do that kind of shit.

>>69190703
>If this was such a big fucking deal to the company's reputation, why wouldn't they just skinwalk her twitter account like they have done so many times before and posted the tweet themselves? They could have fixed this "problem" themselves and willingly chose not to do so. So it couldn't have mattered to them that much.

Because the intent is to humiliate Selen and make her admit she was wrong publicly, it's the same reason that they made up the thing about needing 'perms' for Nina and Mysta

>>69190782
*they didn't want

>>69190703
Perhaps with the increased skinwalker awareness they wanted to make sure the statement was on stream?
Or perhaps they just lied in the termination notice in order to try and seem reasonable
>Oh we were totally gonna let her stay if she apologized, but she was just so rude about it!

so nijien = trump
and holo = left(boring news)

>>69190499
It would have looked like that no matter what Niji did because Selen was always going to pin her suicide attempt on them

>>69190013
>the fact is that she submitted a version of the video for review [...] on Dec 24, for a cover she wanted to release on Dec 25.
Requested review at 2023-12-23T23:33Z
MV premiered at 2023-12-26T01:00Z
It was a 49.5 hour gap.
>with content the manager had never seen before
The end of the video contains a still picture with chibi versions of (practically) all of NIJISANJI EN's vtuber cast.
It's a still image with no animation beyond a basic pan/zoom out. It's chibi style. It being colored is irrelevant, because every vtuber would still be recognizable in the draft or pre-color version.
There is absolutely no fucking way this image was new material. Zero fucking chance. This image was almost certainly seen and okayed MONTHS in advanced, if it wasn't okayed at the fucking start in the storyboard.

Want to dig deeper? Find the artist who drew the final scene of the MV and ask them when it was completed, w/ and w/o coloring, when it was drafted, etc..

>>69190782
>>69190870
If management tweets the truth, Selen has no choice but to confirm it when/if she returned to streaming. Denying the truth would 100% open her up to a lawsuit. So it would only be a problem if management is full of shit. Which they are.

>>69190906
>Selen was always going to pin her suicide attempt on them
She told them she wanted to graduate on her own terms and move on.

>>69190911
Nice text but the video wasn't seen by management until Selen sent it to them, the first time being on Christmas Eve

>>69185316
>break rule
>face consequences
>"WOW WHY!?"
kids these days

>>69185316
The absolute worst part about all this is fucking mouthbreathers like you stumbling into the drama and spreading utter gibberish like this.

Was it worth firing her over that? Probably not.
Was she? Nope.
Should she have been punished for it? Yes, even her own fans accepted that.
Who the fuck are you and why are you here? Fuck off.

>>69190906
No, a nice apologetic termination, wishing her luck in her future endeavors, like any sane company would have done, would not have sunk the ship so extremely as that three pages of "fuck you menhera bitch!"

Granted, any sane company would have taken the resignation out.

And they put ALL their livers in danger by suggesting it was the other talent's fault. You NEVER even potential internal harassment, unless a court makes you. You can practically see the glowing red dot on Elira's forehead now.

>>69188773
Was there a legal need to make those statements public, though? Cover's never had to do shit like this. Presumably you could just hand Selen's lawyer all the damning evidence in private and say "She was a bad employee, you can't sue us under Japanese law."

>>69191020
>Threatens to pin suicide on company if they fire her
>Insists it's because she just wanted to graduate on her own terms despite management already saying she'd be fine if she just explained to the public why the video was privated
>She totally didn't want anything else

Her story is getting dumber by the minute

>>69186123
>They're upset because the MV gives the idea that every talent is close and friendly even after graduation??
How are you going to tar and feather your vtubers and then give them the idea they're still close to you?

>>69191220
>Threatens to pin suicide on company if they fire her
She never did that.

>>69191064
All you're saying in your post is that management is extremely incompetent, and approved a bunch of shit before seeing it. And no, I'm not talking about the art alone.

>>69191064
Management being too clueless and lazy to ask about an ongoing project isn't a positive for Niji.

Keep posting doxxsite sisters, surely we'll accomplish something eventually! It hasn't worked before, but this time, surely

>>69191169
>Was there a legal need to make those statements public, though?
No, of course not. Companies don't need to publicly publish terminations with cause. In fact, it is in the best interests of both parties to keep quiet about it. If the employee disputes it, it goes to arbitration, which is also private.

>>69191075
>make up rule
>selen breaks that rule (retroactively)
>"OH NOW FACE THE CONSEQUENCES"
seems legit

Would it be worth adding the Enna/Millie/Reimu comment 'You've really got to drag other people down to make yourself look good like a certain Apex Predator' from https://youtu.be/ECyZ6RupPqI?t=3495 to the GURrat doc, or does that venture too deep into subjective drama flinging territory?

>>69191169
a) They would be sued in a canadian civil court

b)yes, the negotiations and deliberations should have been kept private. Lawyers and first parties (plaintiff, litigant) sign confidentiality agreements during this process.
For whatever reason, Anycolor Inc. decided to skirt convention and character assassinate their employee, twice, even using coworkers as proxies.

It makes little sense.

>>69190709
There’s really no reason but malice to ask that kind of question in a public forum, yeah. Handle that shit behind the scenes, or don’t because they tried that and fucked it up just as bad I guess

>>69185316
>uploading a music video without permission
She had permission, retard

>>69191220
>>Threatens to pin suicide on company if they fire her
Do you have any proof of this?

>>69191169
>Was there a legal need to make those statements public, though?
No, they just wanted to Zaion'd Selen because they thought they could get away with it.

>>69191220
fiction.

Sisters are very creative.

>>69185316
If you look at the situation in a vacuum it's pretty bad on selen's part
>making a MV without magement input
>uploading it before being given the all clear
>requesting fans reupload the cover when taken down
At the very least it's insubordination and worthy of disciplinary action, companies have rules to protect both themselves & employees and bypassing them is problematic regardless if anything bad happened.
That said, it's impossible to look at this situation in a vacuum because all of those events happened because of prior incompetence/malice.

As for comparisons, Cover would probably be pissed if a talent got permissions for things without involving management at all because of their PTSD following the holocaust ironically another one of cover's woes caused by nijisanji's rabid fans, they probably wouldn't mind the MV containing other holos unless they were depicted in an unflattering light - if mori covered a song and there's the rest of myth in the background clubbing baby seals to death for no reason then cover might request she tone it down a little
If you want to contextualize how Cover handles this sort of thing look at Vespers first suspension and Rushia & Mel's terminations. Vesper was suspended for insubordination and being off his meds, the terminations were for NDA breaches

>>69191136
Selen and Niji both say that Selen threatened to make her claims public if Niji fired her. There was no way firing her wouldn't have caused this drama. The only way would be to bend the knee to claims you know are false but can't say much about because Selen is trying to muzzle you plus the livers being accused and public opinion is completely on her side

>>69191220
>NFD Post
>Its fanfiction

>>69191220
Sister, you are getting dumber by the minute.

>>69191416
The only explanation is that a petty bitch is running things. Like Elira, who has a past history of bullying people before joining Nijisanji. And is now moving to Japan on a work visa despite livers being contractors, not employees. Really makes you think.

>>69185316
Thats literally inciting insurrection, she should be in jail

>>69185316
>Is uploading a music video without permission and encouraging your fans to re-upload it a termination-worthy offense?
yeah. is a jap comany so ecnouraging them to break copyright laws. Nippleman got a suspension for like a month for showing he owned pirated porn on stream now telling your fans to share the song that is niji property so nilly willy is extra fucking dumb
Niji is a shitty work place dont take me wrong but selen was already out of her mind at this point doing this.

>>69191529
>ouldn't mind the MV containing other holos unless they were depicted in an unflattering light
im sure they still need to ask for permission to use their image. is jsut jp perm autism but it is how it has alwasy work.

>watch a three minute video
>only if you've asked me at least 37 hours beforehand

>>69191396
It's obvious they have been bullying her, even with jabs like this, but it's hard to prove.

Reimu tweeting "There was an attempt....lol" after Selen had tweeted about her suicide attempt is another such instance.

Elira talking about the sad news she just found about a member of her family being hospitalized when Selen was hospitalized, and later stating it was her dog.

Anna tweeting about how happy she is that she was finally able to clean house, mere hours before Selens abrupt termination notice was posted.


There are tons of examples.

>>69185430
She's a disgusting ugly goblin irl
go for something like petra instead, at least she's fuckable

>>69191571
i still want to see what are those claims.
what kind of bullying she faced, i feel a lot more would make sense about selen behavior if we knew what she faced.

>>69191529
That's the thing though. Like you said, Cover would be pissed if a talent made a random project without management's knowledge and tried to handle all the permissions on their own. That's why Cover helps fund projects and includes managers in the process, to avoid that sort of thing happening.

The fact that management was somehow unaware of Selen's project for an entire year (which is impossible, given they were at least aware that she secured permissions for the song itself) just means that Niji is an absolute fuckfest.
The entire point of having managers is to oversee those sorts of projects, be aware of what the talents are doing, and make sure they don't get you into legal trouble. Why are the managers unable or unwilling to get an update from Selen about the project before the very final release?

>>69189315
Also the rule wasn’t enforced if it even existed until it was Selens MV. After all why would you need permission from graduated talents when the Corpa owns the IP?

>>69191571
Until they put up that termination notice, everyone assumed all the friction was between Selen and management. It was AnyColor that decided to put their talents on the firing line.

And again, Selen cannot POSSIBLY have anything that would cause as much damage as that termination notice did, or that the follow up video did.

>>69191465
You faggots don't know how to fucking read, it's hysterical

>>69191806
>Elira talking about the sad news she just found about a member of her family being hospitalized when Selen was hospitalized, and later stating it was her dog.
And stating it was the worst possible news, once she found out Doki was still alive.
>There are tons of examples.
Enna made multiple tweets talking about how this is the best year and that she's so happy, all in January. Then pinned a voice tweet of her laughing just before the termination notice went live.

>>69191064
>Nice text but the video wasn't seen by management until Selen sent it to them, the first time being on Christmas Eve
I gave you the exact fucking timestamp she sent it to them, you retard.

2023-12-24T08:33:26 JST
2023-12-23T23:33Z

49.5 hours. Get fucked.

>>69191806
Millie provoking her on twitter minutes after the MV is nuked. If they're this confident in wide open, imagine for a minute what goes on behind the curtains.

>>69189303
>>69189884
>>69189917
Youtube will copystrike Anycolor if they try to upload it after someone else outside the company already posted it on their channel. It happened to several anime and VN companies, which is why they ask you not to upload songs and wait for their official upload.

>>69191997
>Threatens to pin suicide on company if they fire her
Sister, you KNOW how to read, right? Stop listening the voices of your head for once.

>>69192120
No they are retarded. But it's funny to watch at least.

>>69192029
>Sorry for the late reply...!
They did it on purpose, didn't they.

I feel like Enna's head (specifically hers) would look really good on a pike.
What do you think?

>>69191997
Can YOU read you chink menhera retard?

>>69191997
They are not sending their best warriors

>>69191997
>She claimed that she was no longer able to engage in her activities as a Liver
She wanted out of her contract.
>due to the decisions made by ANYCOLOR, was being harassed by other affiliated Livers due to mismanagement, etc.
She provided cause for her to be released from her contract.
>Selen Tatsuki insisted that if negotiations did not progress, she would proceed to release a statement regarding her claims to the public
"Let me out of my contract or I'll expose you."

This really is not the smoking gun you think it is. All they had to do was rubber stamp her graduation and it was over. They chose to react the way they did.

>>69192022
Which are really damning things in the lens of bullying, but there's context/ reasoning that could explain them outside Selen. Enna especially for Lunar New Year stuff and responding to fans on twitter. I'm not saying that context is valid, just that the burden of proof isn't really met to present it as clear-cut evidence, instead of random events connected by red strings on a cork board

>>69192108
There used to be a bug where Youtube would copyright the owners of the IP doing the broadcasting, but that's long since been resolved. Again, AnyColor themselves are saying there was no copyright issues, only an internal permissions issue - which was negligible (heh, "negligible") and not at all worth ruining the Dragoon's Christmas over. We know full well that AnyColor wasn't go crawling on its hands and knees to Mysta and Nina and beg them to use a poorly drawn two second instance of their own IP. Someone with a hate boner for Selen and no respect for the fans simply did that out of spite.

>>69192029
Still nothing proving her manager ever saw this video before. Can't get perms for a video you've never seen in your life

>This means Niji management is incompetent for not tailing Selen's personal project
Selen is incompetent for not asking for perms along the way and not keeping management updated

Reminder none of this would have happened if selen had worded her tweet differently

>>69192315
Yeah it's all circumstantial evidence. A LOT of circumstantial evidence, but circumstantial nevertheless.

>>69192358
Look at them trying to shitforge an argument kek

>>69192108
Let me get this straight.

The video is on Selen's channel, privated. it already cleared youtube's DeepMind algorithmic check, and has a HDCP hanshake.
The video is unprivated.
Other users re-upload it.
The video goes private again.

Once the video is unprivated again, those reuploaders can copyright-strike the ORIGINAL UPLOADER AND RIGHTS HOLDER, and take down their channel.


Are you patently retarded?

>>69191997
...do YOU?
That part states nothing of what you said, unless you're as schizo as Elira and got threatened by the mention of a statement, not even the release of the document to public, a STATEMENT regarding her claims (claims that she never had a chance to do because Nijisanji made everything public themselves)

>>69191913
>Selen cannot POSSIBLY have anything that would cause as much damage as that termination notice did, or that the follow up video did
Which is funny because all the termination notice and follow-up video did was expose Selen's shitty behavior, but this actually made Selen even more popular in the public eye, because they took it as them taking shots at her - regardless of whether it was true or not. People are just mad Nijisanji is painting her as being unreasonable. They'd rather not know or be lied to.

Anycolor has always behaved this way and gotten away with it, though, so I don't blame them. But it's different this time, probably because of a combination of Selen's popularity, Nijisanji's bad rep recently and Western fans caring more about the talents than the company.

>>69192358
>This means Niji management is incompetent for not tailing Selen's personal project
Yes. They're managers. What the fuck are they there for if not to manage things?

>>69192358
She got perms back in 2022, somehow I think they knew about it.

>>69189041
That's how management works, and also that's why it's retarded to have one manager for an entire wave. The manager should absolutely be on-call and ready to support their talent(s) if something comes up. If you know you can't be available, designate a backup that will be. 37 hours is absolutely unacceptable and if that manager isn't gone yet, they should be.

>>69192208
>They did it on purpose, didn't they.
Probably. Selen worked in the MV for a whole year, there's no fucking way her manager didn't know about the contents prior to seeing the final version.

>>69192120
Please tell me what I'm not reading. She claims that her breaking point that led to suicide was the livers harassing her indirectly caused by management. This is one of her claims. One of the claims she says she'll make public if Niji doesn't follow through with negotiations

>>69192358
Literally everyone besides management gave permission months to a year prior

>>69191220
>>69191997
You post literally proves this
>>Insists it's because she just wanted to graduate on her own terms
was real

>>69192546
>Threatens to pin suicide on company if they fire her
Again, that's the part you are making up.

>>69192302
>All they had to do was rubber stamp her graduation and it was over
That's not what it says, it says
>Selen Tatsuki demanded that ANYCOLOR should be held legally responsible.
And if they didn't
>she would proceed to release a statement regarding her claims to the public.

>>69192395
None of this would have happened if Anycolor had just let her graduate like she wanted to. The MV was intended to be her final hurrah before graduation. She sang the same fucking song when she graduated as Doki the first time. That's all she wanted. To graduate. Anycolor shot themselves repeatedly in the foot, until there was nothing but a stump left, instead of saying "Okay, you can leave." If the tweet was that bad, they could have just tweeted their excuse on her twitter account themselves when they locked her out of it during her hospital stay.

>>69192465
>Which is funny because all the termination notice and follow-up video did was expose Selen's shitty behavior
What is your mental illness?? How is Elira committing career suicide Selen's shitty behavior??

>>69192536
>there's no fucking way
Oh theres a way. Niji are just honestly that useless, which is the reason why they willingly posted their own incompetance and dont see anything wrong with it.

>>69192465
When the fired Zaion in that insane way, trying to burn her out of the industry as they kicked her out the door, they didn't put their talent's lives on the line in the process. That's unforgivable - and to do it twice, well...

Again, Selen could have tried to murder someone. It wouldn't matter. Nothing could justify this shit.

>>69191748
It would most likely be in the form of
>hey, can i feature you in an MV?
>sure go ahead
over discord, JP perms autism requires signed documents faxed to the main office and filed away for eternity, god help you if you loose track of them

>>69191860
I remember hearing about some JP Holo/Niji collab and all the Niji girls could talk about was how nice Holo management was, how they got them snacks and such, couldn't find it in the archive though but the basic jist was that Niji uses it's talents rather than nurturing them

>>69192632
>she would proceed to release a statement regarding her claims to the public.
Her claims about the harassment, because she just wanted to graduate on her own terms. She never threatened them with pinning the suicide on them if they fired her.

>>69192603
>Wants out of shit contract because management is so bad, it makes you want to kill yourself
>Negotiates staying in the company longer so she can continue dealing with the shit management till she leaves "by her own terms"

Don't know when she was planning on graduating either. Interesting

>>69192358
You don't need to see the video to get perms for the song, you don't need perms for art you commissioned. That only leaves Niji's own fucking characters, which they decided was a problem after the fact and then changed their mind when someone else wanted to show them.

Just eat the boot at this point, cunt, you're not fooling anyone.

>>69192714
Doesn't stop these schizos from trying.

>>69192632
Contracts are legal documents. Breaking a contract carries penalties. Legal responsibility does not always mean a lawsuit. It can be as simple as an acknowledgement that they are releasing her from her contract due to their actions and therefore she is not responsible for paying penalties for leaving early.

>>69185476
This
It's the reason why graduating is so frequent in Nijisanji
Doki just had enough dosh to do it herself while everyone else left the ship
In an ironic twist of fate, doing management's job taught her skills that can help her go indie again
This is why talent agencies/record labels prefer to do the boring accounting, booking, clearing stuff is because when artists realize they can do these themselves they will instantly go indie and get all revenue themselves while retaining ownership of their art
NijiEN might've used withholding funds as a constructive dismissal tactic (purposely creating scenarios that result in voluntary quitting) which is incredibly retarded because displaying you can't do the boring management stuff displays incompetence rather than a power move

>>69192358
>Still nothing proving her manager ever saw this video before.
Correct. Neither side has publicly released any information about what was green lit and when between August of 2022, when LilyPichu sent AnyColor permission for Selen to cover Last Cup of Coffee, and 2023-12-23T23:33Z, when Selen tags someone in NIJISANJI's internal Slack for a video review.
Only people on the inside, and the contractors in the project discord for the MV, have a better idea of when permissions were given and when permissions were retroactively taken away.

>>69192791
Watch them ignore you completely and pick it up on some other bullshit.

>>69192465
The only shitty behavior everyone saw there was the modus operandi of NijiEN, trying to do the same shit they did with Zaion.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

>>69192792
But it certainly is BULLYING

>>69192728
Given that Matara also put out statements after joining Vshojo about having an actual manager, it seems pretty obvious that Niji just lacks any sort of proper oversight.
Rather than helping talents to avoid breaking the rules, I guess they just let talents do whatever and then hit them with a suspension if anything goes wrong.

>Vox: "You can graduate whenever you want"
>Selen had to literally threaten the company to let her go because they wouldn't do it otherwise, and they ended up terminating her instead in the worst imaginable way possible
Le retard Vox Akuma.

>>69191860
>That's why Cover helps fund projects and includes managers in the process, to avoid that sort of thing happening.
well that is and is not true.
The talents actually pay for projects for their own pocket, these projects usually never return profit also. Minecraft sport fest,coversongs, etc. you can search for any hololive costs clip if you want. Even some proyects taking full year to come out. See kronii and gura latest originals which probably wont see the light of day until later half of this year.it is also really expensive as bae, marine and ame have talked about it. Smoll myth adventures was only one episode and i recall ame telling specifically that she didnt do more becasue it costs a lot. i dont know what selene was thinking spending that much money on multiple tournaments, songs and animation comissions last year not even nijiJP or holojp members do that. those costs are entirely on her.
Regarding the perms thing management is included in the process in the same way as they were here with selen but there is an extra level of management that it needs to go through and it could fold any project if they want even if its almost finished.
Pekora 2021 break becasue management shut her project or Ame okami blues orignial mv comes to my mind.
The difference is that cover growth at a slower peace than niji so management can get more personal with their talent needs and growth with them and can even change management if they want. Niji didnt, it added more and more talent and management support became more thin across all the branch. This why they suck, it isnt some conspiracy about management being on a hamok ignoring selen pings is probably they also dealing with lots of work themselves. Is imo why nina, pomu, mysta and all of them left. rules are already strict but management isnt getting better and staling.
of course this is the rational thought, saying management was clearly avoiding her is more fun.

>>69192747
>Don't know when she was planning on graduating either
We literally know.
The 26th.
It links with the fact that she said she was on radio silence from their side for over a week, so she+lawyer decided to send the document to niji to speed up the process, that was on the 5th - 10 days after the planned drop out date.

>>69185316
You see, its completely justified that Nijisanji terminated Selen because in her music video, it infringed upon the copyright of... Nijisanji? huh?

>>69192948
Clearly it's her own fault for being a suicidal menhera. If she'd just fucking succeeded in killing herself this wouldn't have happened and NijiEN wouldn't be having these problems

>>69185316
>Is uploading a music video without permission and encouraging your fans to re-upload it a termination-worthy offense?
Technically? Yes. Companies can be shit like that, but if it was stated “hey don’t do this” and she did it, then that’s on Selen. It becomes a more valid termination action if you take into account that apparently she has been “troublesome” for managers or other events like they so claimed, but that history doesn’t even need to be there for such a thing to technically take place. Firing or terminating employees isn’t something companies do on a whim or easily though; they can, but it costs them a lot in both training and time and resources to replace the loss, and for an environment entirely based on building relationships between the viewer and the vtuber to maximise profit, it isn’t a good business practice to just fire for the smallest of mistakes. I think, and I say this as someone who hasn’t been keeping track of the whole drama so I can focus on my own vtubing stuff, for as absolutely horrid and wretched as Nijisanji is proving to be, Selen was likely very troublesome to work with. If I was a manager and one of my talents decided to take to their own social media platform to throw me under the bus more than once and likely after a firm talking to, I’d be pissed, not because “hurrr she said a mean thing about me” but because she’s destroying good will in a company, which is something you can NOT get back once it’s gone (ironic considering what has transpired). It’s one thing to be annoyed, but it’s something you just can’t really do with your employer in ANY workplace, because as ironic as it sounds with everything happening now, it does destroy brand reputation. Before this shit show, there still very much was this idea of “management is useless, the talent seems to be running the show” which is not really something you want to wear on your sleeve as a company. Even if the managers are incompetent or utterly useless, broadcasting as such is something that’s never on the table.

With that being said, whether it was right or wrong is now entirely out of the question the second Nijisanji released that termination notice. Phrased in such a slanderous, accusatory and disingenuous way, it destroys any kind of legitimacy on any actual problems or misgivings Selen might have caused that would give valid reason to let her go, and this is once again taking into consideration that we’re accounting for knowing nothing about stuff going on behind the scene.

I am absolutely baffled that the vast majority of people are falling for Dokis bullshit.
On the other hand, I really should not be too surprised considering these are the same people who vote all the obvious liars into office.

>>69192791
You are making that Niji, was holding Selen hostage despite Selen being the one trying to negotiate staying longer and Niji firing her

>>69193028
Poe's law is working overtime today. I'm choosing to believe you are being sarcastic.

>>69192747
>Interesting
What a fucking retard holy shit.

>>69192630
>On Dec, I was hospitalized for an attempt that was caused by a built up of bullying from within&being in a toxic&poor environment for numerous months that led to my breaking point

I can't believe you faggots are real. I'm going to attempt suicide. TWICE!

>>69192818
Again Lily gave permissions directly to Nijisanji in 2022, they've known about the project for at least that long. AnyColor has already stated there were no copyright problems. They can't be sued for use of their own IP. There was no sufficient reason to ruin Christmas for the Dragoons.

Selen's temper tantrum afterward, however understandable, required some response, but again, they never deleted the tweet, even when they skinwalked her to make their own, it couldn't have been that big a deal.

>>69193049
It has nothing to do with her, I just want to see this shit company crash and burn. It's been glorious so far.

>>69193037
Depending on the country but a single instance of insubordination wont give the company cause to fire you, especially with the resulting damage being effectively zero.

>>69192358
Yeah and Selen probably only told them about the MV the day before asking for a final video check

>>69192747
> I requested to leave first but on more neutral terms on 26th Jan.
>On Feb 5th, my lawyer discussed and said it will be best to show the document I wrote to the other lawyers as we have not heard from them for a week or any negotiation talks or given a meeting to discuss after my request to part.
Do your reps sister

>>69186417
I think that was a kneejerk rection to Selen hiring a lawyer and contacting their legal department

>>69193154
And? You are saying she threatened Nijisanji with pinning the suicide on them if they fired her. That's the part you are making up, because no one has claimed that.

Sister, just take the L and try it again in another thread. Or better, go back to /NijiEN/ or the doxxsite and stay there.

>>69193014
Don't you see? If Nijisanji didn't take that video down, Nijisanji would have copyright struck the video down and cost Nijisanji millions of dollars! It's all Selen's fault that Nijisanji was in this situation.

>>69192671
Threatening legal action on people who thought they were your friends and recording private conversations with them is shitty behavior.

>>69192714
>they didn't put their talent's lives on the line in the process
What? Who did that?

>>69193061
>despite Selen being the one trying to negotiate staying longer
??? Selen was trying to negotiate OUT OF HER CONTRACT. She said multiple times that she wanted to graduate in January. Do you know what happens when someone plans to graduate in NijiEN? They have to keep streaming for months. Pomu planned her graduation in July at the latest. She had to stream for half a year before she was able to leave. Mysta had to wait nearly an entire year. Why do you think he started talking about how he didn't give a fuck about his content anymore? Because he didn't. He was stuck doing the bare minimum until Anycolor would let him leave. Selen did not want to be stuck for months and months in that company anymore. She wanted out asap.

Remember when mumei got terminated for her dan dan video and gura put out a 15 minute hit piece on her?

>>69193204
This is completely nonsensical as a claim for the simple reason that if it were true than Niji would have fucking said it unambiguously with their hitpiece, instead of posting screenshots of a manager floundering for multiple days.

>>69193219
She was talking to them on the 26th of January. She wasn't planning on graduating on the 26th of January. Reading comprehension and context clues, Anon.

Why would her lawyers talk to her AFTER the date she originally planned on quitting and not comment on the radio silence before?

>>69192916
Bullying is the better term for the court of public opinion
Workplace harrasment, which is probably the lawsuit she's doing right now, has more credence in courts
Her framing the issue as bullying is impressive since it builds support for her while being in line with her actual lawsuit against NijiEN
Too bad NijiEN shot themselves in the foot and the chances of quiet settlement is slim so they're gonna slug for a while before things settle down

>>69193375
>Threatening legal action on people who thought they were your friends and recording private conversations with them is shitty behavior.
No, it's deserved when they're fucking garbage people like Elira and Vox evidently are. Selen should have recorded every interaction and then sued their asses into oblivion for harassment, they more than earned it.

>>69193385
kek

>>69193037
If you were a manager and failed to follow up for close to 40 hours, and grant perms for an MV that was in the works for over a year, and passively-aggressively typed "so why is the MV released?", after going radio silent for almost 2 business days, you'd be summarily fired and blacklisted from the industry.
Not to mention the ESL english that make me wince.
It was a great choice to use a staple nijigeneral meme and image, you totally flew under the radar as someone that is totally not astroturfing, sis.

>>69193377
>Do you know what happens when someone plans to graduate in NijiEN?
It's a Nijisanji thing, ashually. Mika had to wait for almost a whole year for a chance to graduate. Everyone is fucking kidnapped.

>>69193392
She was talking to them because they said no.

>>69193375
>What? Who did that?
Telling several hundred thousand angry Dragoons that their oshi may have been bullied to the point of suicide by one or more of their talents is putting their lives in danger. Putting Elira up on the firing line, knowing full well the "queen bee" rumors were spreading, doubly so. No sane management with any concern for the safety of their livers would have allowed her to post that video.

It's like the Japanese don't understand that the western audience has guns, is looking for a just cause to use them, and is every bit as parasocial as the Japanese audience.

>>69192358
>Selen is incompetent for not asking for perms along the way
But she had the perms for over a year
>and not keeping management updated
She's incompetent because management was incompetent?

>WHY WOULD SHE TALK TO HER LAWYERS
>ISN'T THAT SUS????
Holy shit, please go back.

>>69193049
Tell 'em, sis! I hope Milord sees this!

>>69193638
Selen was secretly the shadow manager in charge of all the other managers. It was her responsibility to make sure the managers managed her properly, obviously.

>>69193344

>>69185316
I thought firing Selen is understandable if she had broken japanese copyright law but I'm not sure after niji themselves proved it was just their own IP

Am I the only one who is frustrated by how disloayal and unthankful all these cunts are?
This company gave them a one in a lifteime opportunity and made them rich and famous and instead of being grateful, they smear the company and leave cause they know that they have now a big enough fanbase that they can make it as an indie, whereas they would have NEVER became so big on their own.

>>69193061
>despite Selen being the one trying to negotiate staying longer
Sis, read your own pic
>>69191997
>She claimed that she was no longer able to engage in her activities as a Liver
So what the fuck are you implying? That she was demanding for them to make her Nijisanji EN's new boss or something?
They clearly mean there that she told them she could no longer work with them and wanted to get out, and if they didn't let her go, she would make statements about the situation she found herself in.
That's LITERALLY WRITTEN THERE.

>>69193392
>She was talking to them on the 26th of January. She wasn't planning on graduating on the 26th of January. Reading comprehension and context clues, Anon.
She originally wanted to graduate not too long after releasing the MV. It's why she wasn't working on other projects at the same time, why she didn't have other projects planned for after the MV.
2023-12-23T05:35Z Doki tweeted that she was opening up preorders for old doki merch next week.

>>69193049
It's not about falling for her bs, it's the fact that her opposition Niji is incompetent. No one is gonna take the side of a tard that's off it's meds and is rolling around screaming in their own shit. Nobody wants to suck some corpo faggots dick either, at least not anyone of worth.

>>69193375
Friends don't harass their friends.
We have dozens of examples of Elira, Millie, Reimu, and Enna harassing Selen.
You sisters have managed to procure zero evidence to the contrary.
All you have is schizoposting, because you are deeply mentally ill.

Go back to flicking your diseased beans to Milord play-raping you on stream.

>>69193318
Holy shit, I'm talking to dementia ridden losers. Look. I will lay this out completely for you

>Nijisanji: >>69191997
The screenshot used in this post is related! Make sure to read it

>Selen:On Dec, I was hospitalized for an attempt that was caused by a built up of bullying from within&being in a toxic&poor environment for numerous months that led to my breaking point

What Nijisanji said lines up with what Selen said!

In the statement Selen said, she pins her suicide on Nijisanji. Notice the word "Caused" she uses? This must be what Selen tried to use as leverage over Nijisanji so they take legal responsibility!

>>69193201
That’s true, it’s the case where I live, but I also know that doing one bad thing can lead to minor misgivings suddenly turning into dominos that can lead to a firing so it’s a slippery slope, but yes you are correct.
>>69193527
I like that you read what I wrote and all you could take away from it is that “management was right, all hail any colour”, your reading comprehension is at kindergarten level anon. Management is fucking retarded and I don’t support Niji currently, I’ve even unfollowed my oshi until it’s 100% confirmed whether or not they are the supposed bully that seems to exist based on Nijisanji’s own admission. Screaming astroturfing or whatever other cope you want because I’m entertaining the thread question is just stupid.

>>69194018
Ah yes, she never did say thank you to the multi-billion dollar corporation.

>>69185316
I find it unfair, but yes.

They could have fired her sooner without letting the entire community get worried as fuck for a month an a half. They could have taken her offer to graduate and made this go away quietly.

but they didn't. and the reason they didn't was because so many other people were graduating already... which goes right back to pointing a whole bunch of supsicion back on management.

>>69189962
Uki and Aster is def in cahoots, both of them were part of Hanamori, Elira's "group" pre niji. They are 100% nepo hires from her and therefore 100% part of the clique.
da Wose likely belongs in neutral,
https://www.twitch.tv/team/hanamori
If you want clues as to who is in the clique figure out which ones from this group made it into nijien. I was able to spot Uki, Alban(maybe), Aster and Enna (by extension Millie).

>>69193201
for contract work in US/CA, they can terminate the contract for a single term violation unless specified otherwise in the contract.
that does not absolve the company for harassment suit though. especially in countries/states that are strict about these things. contract employees, and clients are covered in similar ways as a full-time employees in most anti-harassment rule. for example, companies can still be held liable even if it's a client that's harassing a contract employee. while they technically have minimal control over the parties involved, they are still expected to at least try to put a stop to the behaviour or separate the parties so that the harassment does not continue. terminating a contract while there is an active harassment claim is often seen as hostile.

>>69193392
The maximum gap there was 10 to 15 days before the 26th, since by the end of december she was already ready to leave

>>69194018
Am I the only one who is frustrated by how disloyal and unthankful Riku is?
The talents gave him a one in a lifetime opportunity and made him rich and famous and instead of being grateful, he smears the talents and terminates them disgracefully because he knows that he now has over a billion dollars and a horde of bootlickers that will defend the corporation no matter what, whereas he would have NEVER become so big on his own.

>>69194102
Again, you are making shit up:
>Threatens to pin suicide on company if they fire her
No one, not even Nijisanji, has claimed that Selen threatened them with pinning her suicide on them.
>BUT SHE SAID THE HARASSMENT MADE HER TRY TO KILL HERSELF
Sure, but that's way different from, again:
>Threatens to pin suicide on company if they fire her
Sister, you need better material. Go back to the doxxsite and try again next time.

>>69192732
>she just wanted to graduate on her own terms
Without agreeing to follow the rules or admitting any fault for the MV debacle.
>She never threatened them with pinning the suicide on them
Of course not. Because you can't do that.

This is something a lot of Niji antis don't seem to understand: someone allegedly trying to kill themselves is not an argument for or proof of anything. Anyone can try to kill themselves, for any reason, and then claim it was so-and-so's fault. There's no way of proving what causes people to harm themselves and no one's responsible for it but yourself. You can't just walk around the world bullying people into being nice to you because you have a noose around your neck. You will notice she always calls it making an "attempt." She will never say "suicide," because this way, people imagine the worst, when really she just swallowed too many meds. If she actually explained what happened, people would feel deceived.

When I was new to TF2, a pubstar ubered me and I panicked and ran into the enemy's little house they were hiding in, killed a couple and destroyed a few buildings. I felt okay about it, but he started yelling at me over the mic, because I missed the tele which was "right there." He made me feel so bad, I actually lied down and cried a little, and contemplated never playing the game again. If I killed myself, should he be held responsible for it? Obviously not. While yes, his harassment is what made me feel bad, I was also being a huge pussy. Me being a pussy isn't his fault. He criticized me for not playing well enough and I took it hard. Relationships go both ways. It's not one person's fault.

If someone mistreated you to a serious degree, you need actual evidence. Hurting yourself is not evidence. Even if you jump off a bridge, it's not evidence. I don't know why you guys struggle to understand this.

>>69194038
Nothing proved she wanted to graduate after last cup of coffee. The only proof she wanted to graduate before the whole meltdown is ironically Vox saying he and Selen were going to graduate together but you guys don't like him or believe him so now what?

>>69194304
The MV was clearly a graduation video, she had no planned projects afterwards, which is very unusual for her. She planned to graduate well before Christmas, it's just she offered to graduate quietly on the 26th of January, after all of the harassment while she was in the hospital.

...And Niji, in their self-destructive malice, didn't take it. If they had, we never would have found out about the suicide attempt, and all of us would be none the wiser.

>>69194425
If you think this is the point of the outrage I regret to inform you that you might be retarded.

>>69194481
>Nothing proved she wanted to
Selen cannot actively sell and produce PL merch while still contracted to AnyColor.

>>69194425
>This is something a lot of Niji antis don't seem to understand: someone allegedly trying to kill themselves is not an argument for or proof of anything.
I'm going to stop reading here, because you are fucking retarded and you can't even understand that no one is trying to use Doki's suicide attempt as proof of anything.

>>69192791
>>69192858
You want me to "ignore this," but I actually, unironically, I'm not joking, have no idea what it is you're trying to say.
>Legal responsibility does not always mean a lawsuit. It can be as simple as an acknowledgement that they are releasing her from her contract due to their actions and therefore she is not responsible for paying penalties for leaving early.
There's a way to release someone from their contract without forcing them to pay any fees, it's called being fired. Which is what happened.

>>69192874
>The only shitty behavior everyone saw there was the modus operandi of NijiEN, trying to do the same shit they did with Zaion.
But is stating the truth "shitty behavior"? She got fired, don't you want to know what their justification for it was? It's only shitty behavior in my opinion if they exaggerate the truth or try to manipulate your emotions. I think they did the former a little bit with Zaion and the latter a little bit with Selen, but Selen's done emotional manipulation, too, and no one cares.

The subject of whether the claims are actually "that bad" or a discussion on why things progressed to that point is something no one seems that interested in, probably because it requires too much information no one will agree on. For example, why did Selen ask for her MV to be checked the day before she uploaded it? From my perspective, that looks like her dragging her feet, but dragoons want me to believe it's Anycolor who cockblocked her for a year and a half.

>>69194102
>This must be
Sis...
That's not how you win an argument...

>>69194325
God grant me patience

>Selen Tatsuki insisted that if the negotiations did not progress, she would proceed to write a statement regarding her claims to the public

Clearly, negotiations did not progress causing Selen to be terminated. Then she said this.

>Selen:On Dec, I was hospitalized for an attempt that was caused by a built up of bullying from within&being in a toxic&poor environment for numerous months that led to my breaking point

This is the statement she said she would make if negotiations did not progress! In this statement, she claims Nijisanji pushed her to suicide. This would mean she would have used her suicide as leverage over Nijisanji. It's not that hard to understand

>>69192315
>>69192402
There's something unnerving about 4channers taking a measured approach rather than facediving into their narrative of choice.

>>69194845
>But is stating the truth "shitty behavior"?
According to NijiEN, yes. Given how they complained about Selen saying "Management has privated the video" made them look bad.

>>69194845
The subject of whether the claims are actually "that bad" or a discussion on why things progressed to that point is something no one seems that interested in
There's plenty of discussion, you just don't like it and actively avoid it. This is incidentally why your argument never gets any traction, it doesn't hold water.

>>69194845
>There's a way to release someone from their contract without forcing them to pay any fees, it's called being fired.
Japanese corporations actually don't like firing employees because it makes them look bad. "You hired someone that you then had to fire? Why are you so incompetent at hiring people?" That's unironically the way Japanese society looks at it.
>Which is what happened.
If that was ALL that happened, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. They threw her under the bus, their remaining livers under the bus, and their investors under the bus. Nobody is upset that Selen was terminated. Everyone is pissed at Anycolor because of the WAY they handled her termination.

>>69194425
>crying because I got yelled at in tf2
Fucking lol

>>69194845
You absolute mogrel, any fucking production, even ads have a fucking storyboard that details what is gonna be in that production. Niji knew who was supposed to be in that mv the moment the storyboard was done. If you're actually running with the delusion that selen secretly organized a whole as mv+song without niji catching wind of it (remember lilypichu gave official perms in august 2023 to NIJI) then you're actually hallucinating.
They knew about the project. They had to have seen the storyboard at some point (after lilypichu gave them perms at the fucking latest), so demanding MORE TIME at the 11th hour for something you would have known had you looked at said story board seems like kafkaesque bullshittery to me.

>>69194725
That was the day of her meltdown. Nothing proves the music video was supposed to be an announcement for her graduation

>>69195441
>That was the day of her meltdown.
Incorrect.
>2023-12-23T05:35Z; Dokibird tweets she'll be opening up preorders for old doki merch next week.
>2023-12-23T23:33Z; Selen provides finalized MV to manager X for cursory final video check.
>2023-12-24?; Selen presumably schedules cover MV premiere and tweet.
>2023-12-25T12:29Z; Manager X responds that it will take more time to get confirmation b/c the video includes ex-livers.
>2023-12-25T17:00:00Z; Selen tweets (prescheduled tweet) that her cover MV will release on December 26th, 01:00Z.
>2023-12-26T01:00Z; Selen releases cover VM.
>2023-12-26T03:25Z; Manager X asks why MV was released before they got confirmation.
>2023-12-26T03:30Z; Manager X privates the MV, says it will be private until they get confirmation. And that Selen might need to adjust the video before setting it to public again.
>2023-12-26T03:36Z; Manager X asks Selen to please confirm with them before posting anything to explain what happened.
>2023-12-26T03:55Z; Selen tweets that management has privated the song and to feel free to reupload it.
>2023-12-28T01:39Z; Selen tweets apologizing for the silence, that she's been in the hospital after an accident and will be staying there for a few days under supervision.

>>69191997
reading this now after all this time
>demanded ANYCOLOR should be held legally responsible.
this piece alwasy bothered me, she is blaming them for something here but she never mentioned it clearly.
she said she wanted out amicably and i do bleive that however anycolor not releasing her immediately makes me think of mysta and coco gradaution. Coco decdied to leave early on the year she graduated, it was like 6 months before letting her go since she still had fes and other events and merch runs coming up until deciding her release date.
Mysta did mention during his graduation anoucement he wanted out since march but still had some obligations in the company to do.
This makes more sense now, she was threating to sue them for a hostile work enviroment becasue it was the only way she could get terminated since she still had some obligations to do that would cost the company money to remove or replace. she probably was already expected to appear in events, cons, merch,etc and that shit is made months beforehand. i recall msyta saying one time on graduation about the luxiem perfume that just came out and he mentioned that was in the works since last year. That is why the rest was able to leave easily, they had no more obligation on the company or were fine with waiting on them on fuflfilling them.
she trying to pull a hero had her in such a horrible mental state that she felt unable to even appear as selen anymore but couldnt gradaute inmediately becasue she still had work to do and according to her she is unable to fulfill it.
That is why her RM was taking comissions pretty much after christmas and talking about money, she didnt want to work there anymore out of her own decision. i dont think she really wanted go to court but threating with sueing them was her only option ot get out of there inmediately hence triggering a termination.

>>69194845
>>69195367
actually just looked it up and lilypichu gave her perms in august 2022, so 16 months prior to the release. That is 16 (sixteen) fucking months worth of time for any lazy abortion of a manager to check the fucking storyboard or inquire about the art.

>>69195580
>2023-12-28T01:39Z; Selen tweets apologizing for the silence, that she's been in the hospital after an accident and will be staying there for a few days under supervision.
At this point, hadn't management already locked her out of her social media accounts? I'm not convinced this was Selen tweeting.

>>69195580
>Selen tweets apologizing for the silence, that she's been in the hospital after an accident
"""Selen""" tweets.

You forgot to add >2023-12-26:XXZ; NijiEN locks Selen out of all her socials.
By their own admission, they tried to cover up a suicide attempt.

>>69195740
They are known to skinwalk their talent yes.

>>69194965
Sis that makes no sense because you're basically saying they let her do what she said she would do to hurt their careers.
Sis, you're calling nijisanji retards, are you aware of that?

Why aren't they listening, fellow doxxsisters?
Why can't they see that everything is Selen's fault?

>>69194965
>let me go or i'll talk
>cap
>*talks*
>wtf how dare you
sister, you're not very smart, are you?

Fellow schizos, please remember to save backups of the rrat.

>>69195580
I'm not incorrect. You literally just posted the exact date her meltdown started. She already was not in a good headspace. Plus I don't think livers aren't allowed to sell merchandise relating to their past lives because if a previous liver. Imagine your band or something being barred from selling their CDs because you're in them

>>69194425
>When I was new to TF2, a pubstar ubered me and I panicked and ran into the enemy's little house they were hiding in, killed a couple and destroyed a few buildings. I felt okay about it, but he started yelling at me over the mic, because I missed the tele which was "right there." He made me feel so bad, I actually lied down and cried a little
KEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>69195978
Praise be.

>>69185316
The biggest thing is that it shouldn't have been an issue in the first place, and I'm not just talking about how needing an IP check on your own IP is pants-on-head-retarded.
Management should have been actively involved in the project from the get-go. Any issues with Nina and Mysta appearing in the video should have been caught when the video was first being planned, and that it only became a problem with this final check the day it was supposed to be uploaded show how utterly incompetent if not malicious management is.
Now, to your initial point, yeah encouraging reuploading a video like that is maybe worth a public suspension. I emphasis public suspension because this stealth suspension shit they constantly seem to do is a fucking awful idea that just allows rrats to brew and fester. The public trust in njij is absolutely rock bottom now. We can't trust a single thing they do because they're constantly being deceptive towards the public. Every twitter statement is management skinwalking and every absence is a stealth suspension. I cannot emphasize enough how much engaging in deception like this has utterly fucked them.

>>69195740
>>69195836
>At this point, hadn't management already locked her out of her social media accounts?
We don't know for sure when they removed her access to the accounts.
They state in the termination,
>While being mindful of Selen Tatsuki's physical and mental health, management did their best to communicate with not only Selen Tatsuki herself, but also her emergency contact.
>However, despite frequent communication with Selen Tatsuki's emergency contact while remaining considerate of her situation, we were unable to come to an agreement on how to proceed.
They could have skinwalked the announcement, yes. But they'd be fucking beyond batshit retarded to admit to badgering her so much they were "unable to come to an agreement" before she was even released from the hospital.

>>69193460
>No, it's deserved when they're fucking garbage people
This is only according to the shitty person in question. According to criminals, the police are shitty. Also, Selen herself claimed to not have meant anything malicious by the recording and it was only a coincidence that it was being used as evidence for anything - so she never even called Vox shitty. Although I would, he's a creep.

>>69193629
>bullied to the point of suicide
Anyone can CLAIM to have been bullied to the point of suicide. I could try to kill myself right now and fail (by being a woman), and when people ask why, I can say, "Oh, uh, my boss was rude to me." So, what, anon, should my boss go to jail now or..? Or maybe you should stop posting on 4chan until you've hit puberty?
>by one or more of their talents is putting their lives in danger
I don't know who you're claiming is in danger anymore. The dragoons? The Nijis? Wait, who ISN'T in danger, in that schizophrenic mind of yours?
>Putting Elira up on the firing line
She probably chose to do it herself since she was doxed.
>It's like the Japanese don't understand that the western audience has guns, is looking for a just cause to use them
Go eat your pagpag, you fucking clown lol

>>69195886
Clearly they did not appreciate a suicide being used as leverage to negotiate, called it off, went nuclear and fired her attempting to be prepared for the fallout in advance.

They failed but I'm not arguing that Niji PR isn't garbage. Though it's probably hard to try and maneuver that cluster fuck

>>69195979
>I'm not incorrect. You literally just posted the exact date her meltdown started.
>I'm not incorrect. It's the same day. I'm only off by more than 24 hours.

>>69195978
Well fuck, that was deleted fast.

NijiJannies trying to stop the GURRAT are real. I don't think they realize that this activity merely gives it more power, but no one aligned with Niji seems to know how people work.

>>69196189
They panicked because they realized they realized it wouldn't go the same way as Zaion. It's clear as day.

>>69195978
I'm saving it every 15 minutes but it sure does feel like someone keeps restoring it to the previous version or it's tied to not reloading the page before you edit with rentry grabbing the last version from your end an overwriting the new additions

>>69195954
>"She was being held hostage by the company
>"She wanted to stay in the company longer to have her leave the company her way"

You can't have both. The second one is more believable because Niji fucking fired her. Good luck proving that means they held her hostage

>>69196317
That's how it goes when you're literally being forced out by your coworker clique of bitches.

>>69196209
>2023-12-23T05:35Z; Dokibird tweets she'll be opening up preorders for old doki merch next week.
>2023-12-23T23:33Z; Selen provides finalized MV to manager X for cursory final video check

Apparently between the dates December 23rd and December 24th, there exists more than 24 hours. Thank you for your great discovery, anon

>>69194965
She made her statement after Niji posted that termination notice. The one where they try to annihilate her reputation. And she wouldn't even be wrong to make that statement anyway, if internal bullying really did cause her to become suicidal.
It's true that she said she was going to post the statement if things didn't progress, but why didn't they? Why not let her go amicably and let the lawyers figure it out?

>>69195612
>this piece alwasy bothered me, she is blaming them for something here but she never mentioned it clearly.
It's literally the next line the "why" sister
Sister, please, just learn how to read

>>69192358
Sister have you ever heard about production pipeline? Normal management do checks on each stage of production.

>>69196144
Even if she faked her suicide attempt, again, even if Selen murdered someone, that doesn't justify the company's response. NijiEN's suicide attempt was far more successful than Selen's.

And the talent's are in danger, in case it wasn't clear that one or more, if not a thousand or more, of those several hundred thousand Dragoons are psychos with guns, and/or good at tracking people down.

Elira will be lucky if she can ever safely turn to Canada again.

Did she really not think to just wait over the weekend? It was Christmas holiday weekend, probably even ruined the holiday of whoever was on-call because Pagerduty sounded the alarm once someone realized Selen uploaded the MV w/o approval

>>69196317
is a mix of both.
she didnt want to stay but also niji didnt want her out YET.
it makes snese becasue She was asigned to other events and oblgiations to fulfill first
This means both parts are right to a sense. Selen wanted out INMMEDIATELY but niji said "no you still need to wait for all this events, merch that your face is on and you agreed on to happen first you are free to leave after that".
This is what the negotiations were about, she threating it to sue was the way to get out inmmediately out of those obligations since it will start her termination. Since unlike his ex coworkers how are a little more sane in the head she couldnt bare woking there anymore.

>>69196639
Christmas is not a holiday in Japan. Try again.

>>69196317
How long did it take Mysta to graduate again?
6 months? 9?
What about Mika? Nearly a year?
Want me to keep going?

>>69196317
It's the other way around.
NIJISANJI EN was holding her hostage until she reversed the disgrace from AnyColor to herself. They felt that they held the cards because they're a company that can bully people and she's a single person.
When she pulled out the ammunition, threatening to go public with more disgrace for AnyColor, in hopes of negotiating a neutral separation, AnyColor lost their shit and decided to fire first to disgrace her character as best they could.

>>69193385
The difference is Mumei had permissions for dan dan, it was just the reception to the hindenberg scene that made Cover rethink it and require post edits, which Mumei complied with

>>69196189
they shooting themselves because of their own kneejerk reaction out of paranoia is literally and unironically their own fault

>>69196639
she was not in the right state of mind.

>>69196524
and you need the rest since it contradicts just to some degree her trying to leave amicably. Since there was no way to leave amicable since she still had some things to do in the company that she probably agreed on.

>>69196690
dang that sucks, black country

>>69196096
>>69196212
I think this is the latest version.

>>69196459
So what? She planned on making that statement if Nijisanji didn't bow down to her demands. Her getting fired for it doesn't suddenly mean she didn't plan on releasing the statement if Nijisanji didn't do what she said.

>she wouldn't even be wrong to make that statement anyway
Huh.
>It's true that she said she was going to post the statement if things didn't progress, but why didn't they?

It's clearly because she tried to use her suicide as leverage to get what she wanted while she claimed she was harassed and that Nijisanji was legally responsible. How are you people actually saying using your attempted suicide as leverage to get what you want is morally ok? I'm in fucking wonderland

how much Nijisanji pay you for defending them in mongolian cave drawing forum?

>>69196934
They promised them all of the funding that was going to be spent on NijiEN projects this year.

>>69196934
Most of them do it for free because they are retarded.
>>69196894
Truly a work of art.

>>69196457
How double dog retarded are you.
It wasn't until the 25th at 12:29 zulu that the manager responds with their retroactive bullshit. That is where the "meltdown" begins.

>>69196138
see they were talking to her emergency contact, which leads me to believe she was hospitalized during the time negotiations failed. Otherwise there wouldn't be any reason to talk to her emergency contact, as she wouldn't need one outside of the hospital.

>>69196689
>"But the merch!"
Yeah I don't think that would convince me to hang out in that toxic Discord for another 6 months.

>>69196896
Let's just ignore all legal involvement in this. Very compelling.

>>69197047
The meltdown refers to her finalyab. The yab started when she sent the video to management for perms

>>69197056
Except according to the timeline, they locked her account only after they spoke with the emergency contact after being unable to reach her.
That would mean that the hospitalization was in late december, early january at the latest.

Because the alternative is that they just left Selen with access to all of her accounts after she's been making rogue posts and is presumably not responding to them.

>>69196826
>some things to do in the company
she had no projects after the MV

>>69196934
i dont see my coment as defending them.
Niji is a clearly a bad place for slene even if they deny it. But she triggering the termination makes sense becasue otherwise she cannot leave before some obligations she had to do.
Niji PR is a nightmare dont get me wrong but terminating her was the only sane decision there. This girl didnt want to touch the main accounts anymore she was already set on never coming back after the MV failure she faced.

>>69197190
wasnt her attempt and subsequent hospitalization a day after her tweet about sharing the mv? like the 26th or something?