/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>6950499
>wanted to become an idol instead
>Kiara
Good luck with that singing voice hun!

>>6950499
>Mori:
>>not really interested in vtubing
gr8 b8 m8

>>6950499
Look at pre-Gen3 JP holos.

the ender dragon collab was the only HoloEN thay OP has watched apparently

>>6950591
She did say she actively looked down on vtubers and only went to the audition with a group of friends. She claims her views have flipped but cover is paying her a salary now so who knows if she really cares.

>>6950577
Well a lot of people seem to disagree with you anon

>>6950646
She didn't want to be popular off a gimmick but wanted to make it off her own talents. It's funny when you think about her roommate already using a gimmick to be popular before Calli joined hololive

Watson is fully invested into Hololive.
Ina treats it as a side-hobby, which is great for mental health I guess. Also leads to the infamous Coci betrayal.
Kiara sees Hololive as a rescue for her failed dreams, but is also realistic if not downright cynical about the fact that Hololive won't last forever.
Mori doesn't give a rrats ass about Hololive and will graduate as soon as it becomes convenient.
Gura doesn't seem to care much about Hololive, or maybe she does but her menhara depression prevents her from doing anything. The way she ghosts her fanbase AND EVEN GENMATES is extremely weird. I could see her randomly burning down her HL career on a whim during one of her depression/nihilism spergouts. Unlikely, but still.

>>6950499
They will probably leave in a year or two. Good news is that we will have more Vsingers and new Generations. Expect someone in HoloEN Gen3 to overtake Gura in numbers

>>6950499
I think in terms of graduating from most to least likely it goes something like this.

Mori > Gura > Kiara > Ina > Ame

>Mori
Mori as everyone knows doesn't invest herself enough in the vtubing side, she could leave at any point to pursue her music career once she feels like she's made her connections and has enough money to fall down on.

>Gura
Gura is prone to burning out or sliding into a depression due to the extreme popularity she never asked for - this sort of thing happens to actors, musicians, all over the world. Sometimes it just gets too much.

>Kiara
Kiara is extremely invested in what she does, but would rather do it all without the need of a vtuber persona. At the moment though I think she's comfortable enough to stick around.

>Ina
Ina, as you said, is very happy with where she is and the only way she would quit is if she truly wants to call it day and wants to focusing on her career as an artist.

>Ame
Ame graduating due to burnout is something that's often brought up, but the fact is she is easily the most reliant on this position she's in. She was poor and even homeless not too many years ago, this was her big break and I can't really see her letting it go unless something goes very wrong.

>>6950814
This is pretty accurate, but the
>ghosts her fanbase
is fucking stupid. She doesn't have any obligation to tell her fans anything, especially as a VTuber persona. And everyone knows how anxious she is over being doxxed.

>>6951079
She already got doxxed

>>6951117
There is more info on any of the other ENs than her

>earning easy money pretending to be an anime girl.
>They'll graduate because the rrats told me so.
I don't think any of the EN girls have enough money from superchats, monetization and sponsorships to go for early retirement after you take into account the cut for management. Maybe at the 2nd or 3rd anniversary but definitely not now.

>>6950656
Yes this is why her songs have shit numbers.

>>6951301
I think her originals aren't that great but her cover of goodbye sengen was pretty good.

>>6951117
No she wasn't. That shit is all very old.
By doxxed I mean her current address, phone, etc.

>>6950499
>Mori:
>>not really interested in vtubing
where this dumb idea came from? cali is the second one with most uploads of all holoEN and kiara didnt wanted to be an idol, she went to japan to work as a german translator for the olimpic but chink flu.
too many dumb rrats

>>6951692
Have you actually tried watching Mori's streams instead of just clips, retarded seanig?

>>6951692
>kiara didnt wanted to be an idol
do your english and archive reps anon

>>6951692
Mori streamed the least out of the EN girls

>>6951874
>Streamed more than Towa
Twap...

>>6951301
Her songs have shit numbers with the Holo buff, there's a reason her attempted idol career fell flat on it's face.

>Gura gonna graduate due to depression
Some of you guys make it extremely obvious you don't watch streams.

Gura worries me, especially with how she's been after her break, but I want to think her interest in making music will keep her around for a while. She seemed pretty proud of Reflect.

>>6950499
>never wanted to become a vtuber, wanted to become an idol instead
Kek Hololive enabled her to actually live her idol dream on a successful level she owes cover and knows it
There is no way in hell that she would leave

>>6951464
I remember lolcow started digging into her dad's location and workplace. It got so bad the mods unironically nuked everything (despite the thread literally being about doxxing)

>>6952108
I think she is doing fine in the 2nd half of jumping king and the two collabs. Exspecially at the Minecraft collab she shows her bratty side which is a good sign. Her friends can really comfy her I guess

>>6952168
How'd they even get that? Just from her name and general location I presume? Scary considering how tight her opsec is

>>6951874
Is this counting membership

>>6951228
Also remember that even -after- having earned "enough for early retirement" after a few years, that only works if they have actually invested their money wisely. Even just a basic conservative portfolio of stocks and bonds (no /biz/meme investments which are their own can of worms), if you lived frugal during your high earning years and didn't blow out all the money right as it came in, you could amass maybe around 1 mil or so, which would enable you to live off dividends and interest of around 20 to 40k annually in perpetuity without ever having to work for someone else again (you could still choose to, of course, to further supplement your income, but at least it would be a choice of your own, not a necessity).
But they probably aren't thinking that far ahead, because simply most people aren't (see also - lottery winner effect), and young western women especially not. They probably spend it all on frivolities or having others mooch on them, and after a few years it's all gone again and they're back to square one, only now older and even less employable.
The only one I can see holding her shit together the most is probably Ina. Her artist career made her probably the highest earner of them pre-Holo, so she has more experience with money, and she still lives at home and has a good relationship with her parents, who probably manage her affairs and'll set her straight (helps that they're asian, so they're probably the most straight thinking on this).

>>6952168
Todd...

>>6952251
tbf Gura's full name is entry-level forbidden knowledge compared to, like, any pic of Ina ever.

>>6950499
Isn't the consensus that the second wave will come in freshen things up? If ID gen 2 is anything to go by the second wave has the potential to outshine gen 1.

>>6952168
Stop lying on the internet...

>>6951692
>cali
Whether you’re right or wrong, go back newfriend

>>6952304
>If ID gen 2 is anything to go by the second wave has the potential to outshine gen 1.
I can see them outshining Ame, Ina and Kiara. Outshining Calli would be a coinflip that would depend on who they get and what they do, but I cannot see them outshine Gura; Gura's explosive growth is an anomoly and I doubt we'll ever see such growth happen again within vtubing.

>>6952336

>>6952275
Speaking of full names I've never seen Kiara's roommates name being uncovered ever

>>6952368
>explosive growth is an anomoly
No she's a cute and funny shark who streams in English she was 100% guaranteed to be the biggest vtuber and anyone who wasn't able to call that day one is an idiot.

>>6952368
Well yeah Gura's an exception for sure. Holo EN gen 1 did well in doing what most first generations have to do: Laying the foundation for future gens to grow and prosper from. Took Holo JP until Gen 3 to find a full collection of talented girls.

>>6952073
>>6952137
This, the only one I see actually burnt out is Mori, for the rest it sounds like rrats
Even if graduation isn’t something she’s considering, Mori would prefer being a musician. It makes me think she would be happier in a position such as VSinger

>>6952401
>Posts literally random person
GUIES LOOK ITS HER DAD!!!!!

I can't tell if I'm impressed or disappointed you people still fall for this stuff.

>>6952251
The "amazing Gura opsec" was just a meme for the first few weeks because anons couldn't find much in their babbys first doxx attempt. But by now, the "usual places" have assembled pretty much the same info as for all the other girls, RL pics, full name, places, history, etc. so yeah, that didn't hold out for very long.

>>6952304
It was a special confluence of circumstances that resulted in engen1 being as big as it is.
>Lockdowns everywhere
>A
>No competition in the West
>1-2 punch of Mori's opening EP + Gura's Ride on time catching everyone off-guard and capturing the hearts of many
>Taiwan yab results in the biggest clip channel blowing themselves up, resulting clipping landscape pushes EN further up
>By choosing to side with Coco and ultimately abandon China in favor of the EN market, EOP viewers were assured that HoloEN wasn't going anywhere, despite the drama.
>Gura model buff (let's be real, cute and funny but not overtly sexy design is a massive plus for both YT algo pushing and capturing attention. Remember, cute is justice)

For EnGen2 to overtake gen 1 would take a miracle of circumstances or an even more astounding success of scouting than Gura was.

>>6952421
She's used stage names for her entire online and offline career. She's pretty smart in that regard.

>>6952470
The real meme is anyone who actually claims that they have pictures of Gura when all of them have been easily debunked over and over again and people still share the same pictures anyways.

>>6952461
ogey

>>6952535
Oh boy the reality denier is still at it
>if I pretend it's debunked, then it's debunked

>>6952533
>Kiara is unironically less doxxed than Gura

Gura wants/needs friends.

>>6950499
as long as ina is happy i dont care

>>6952611
Gura wants/needs dicking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNX048Vrmqk

>>6952556
Oh boy the Dunning-Kruger guy is back

>>6952421
>>6952533
Nah, people found her full real name, as she used it (with personal pictures, so very much confirmed) on some blogsite as a teen.

>>6952773
If it was known I'm sure eggs would use it all the time

>>6952685
based and takopilled

>>6952773
Even the mega dox thread back in /jp/ only used her stage name, so I would highly doubt that

>>6952773
If true, 98% of even the most committed doxxers don't know it.

>>6951874
I'll give Kiara this, she's a trooper

>>6950499
>Gura already burnt out
Of what? Laziness?

>>6953315
>Laziness
Gura was never lazy. She's been a hard worker from the start.

Moo harder.

>>6953051
Maybe they are just shit doxxers?

Her real name is out there and I'm not talking about the cringy stage names. Obviously not gonna share it here.

>>6953369
Even the farms has that info.

>>6953362
Listen dude I'm a massive chumbud but she's lazy as fuck like big time anyone who denies that is retarded.

She literally still doesn't have her original bgm on her new pc and hasn't fixed her scuffed ass streaming setup which requires barely any effort.

>>6953621
are you the guy who got laughed out of /ggg/ for not understanding why a splitter isn't her issue?

>>6953763
Yes every anon is the same person on this site. I'm also the person that made this thread and every other thread and I also ban myself whenever I dox people.

>>6953763
Are you the guy who said the switch can't capture undocked
Or was it Omni anon here >>6953835

>>6953894
It was me

>>6953920
I'm sorry you are retarded it's ok buddy. All of use make mistakes.
The fact you are willing to admit it makes you a bigger boy than most.

>>6953621
Streaming can be treated as a side job and how the fuck do you know all the stuff behind the scene to tell someone's lazy or not? If you mean she is lazy about some streaming setup then yeah, sure.

>>6954039
Lazy is lazy.... Not having her bgm on her PC after 7 months when she could download a damn mp3 of it in seconds is lazy as hell. Gura has been lazy since debut and despite that I still love her but people who refuse to admit faults in their oshi should actually step away from the hobby as they are clearly not mentally sound.

>>6953920
No it wasn't.

>>6952533
And yet she was smart enough to forget which persona she was meant to be a couple of day's ago.

>>6954158
That's correct it was actually me who is actually this guy >>6954008 but not this guy >>6953894 but both of these guys >>6952108
>>6950612
I know it's all very confusing but trust me it's all very simple.

>>6954112
Dude, It's just a bgm. Maybe she forgot it, or she just likes using the hololive lofi mix more. Why do you have to make a big deal out of that? Take your meds

>>6954214
Autism

>>6950814
Gura has a pretty hard position, being the first in number was really bad for Fubuki too and she was all better once she started not being the first. Gura seems to be someone like that

>>6952259
This is true however the usual return rate for a million is ~4/5%.

>The only one I can see holding her shit together the most is probably Ina. Her artist career made her probably the highest earner of them pre-Holo, so she has more experience with money, and she still lives at home and has a good relationship with her parents, who probably manage her affairs and'll set her straight (helps that they're asian, so they're probably the most straight thinking on this).
The other day she went on a walk with her father and he started to talk to her about stocks. She'll be fine

>>6951874
How would this be adjusted for superchat reading? There's a good chance Ina or Ame has the most "real content"

>>6954406
Thanks

Lold at muh dox schizo desperately squealing "debunked" at things that were actually proven. Just tell the retard that Gura lives in northern hemisphere and already he is hysterical, lol.

>>6954353
She just moved and the ESL retard can't even make a new bait to save his life.

>>6950499
>Kiara
>Wanted to become an idol
Good luck for that, because Idol scheme is more scummy. Also they only accept girls under 24 years old

>>6951874
Watame goes hard.

>>6951874
>tree rat
oi!

>>6950499
Mori:
>Treats vtubing as a job / contractual obligation
>makes sure she doesn't spend more than a couple of hours a day streaming
>more interested in making it in the music industry
>Job is pretty easy-going for the most part though so no real reason to quit
>Enjoys creative streams and zatsudans a lot more than gaming since she kinda sucks at games and hates backseating

Kiara:
>Genuinely loves her job and her fans
>Disapointed in COVER from a music perspective
>Experimented with birthday roommate stream since she's smart enough to follow Coco's example of having a comfy safety net
>Will still stick around in Hololive for a long time as long as COVER don't do anything to fucky

Gura:
>Burns out easily
>Kinda lazy
>Doesn't do JP collabs due to a mix of timezone stuff and kinda being sick of being treated as the 'a' cute shark girl by JOPs
>Genuinely does like her fans despite everything

Watson:
>Got kinda burnt out recently but is now back on the grind in a major way
>Creative, hard working, genuinely funny
>Chat gets on her nerves sometimes but deep down she is grateful for the support

Ina:
>Likes her job but doesn't love it like Kiara for example
>Low effort low creativity but has a lot of fun
>Is a great professional artist who can draw at god-tier speeds so why try harder?

>>6950499
If Ina stays and keeps having fun with i I don't give a shit

>>6951301
Anon please consider a sense of scale. Her songs are doing pretty good.

>Watson
>original ideas
Name two.

>>6954585
Kiara's superchat readings are 90% zatsudans though, still counts.

>>6960182
>Feet
>Small Ame ballet

>>6960033
t. KFP

>>6960182
Costume reveal
3D streams

>>6959744
Why do you think she's fluid in Japanese, had previous vocal training that focused on breathing techniques to be able to sing while dancing and has a completely wrecked body?
Just going by things she talked about on stream

Lamy X Ina collabs justify EN's existence for now. If they ever stop liking each other, then they should graduate.

>>6960369
I like everyone. Even Mori. Just deadbeats can't handle even the most mild and obvious criticism of their oshi.

>>6960314
>stolen from fan
>didn’t invent 3D dancing
Try again.

>>6960412
>Most expensive membership
>Most sensitive fans
Makes sense

>>6954585
Unlikely Ame still does SC readings and Kiara has very gameplay sessions, for example last week's Yakuza final was 10 hours without any SC reading afterwards for obvious reasons

I can't see Mori doing this for another year.
I can see Kiara and Ina doing this the longest.

>>6960412
Mentioning Kiara for genuine love of her fans and not Ina means that you probably don't watch much Ina, same thing for the low effort low creativity. You can admit that you don't watch Ina, that's not a problem, but don't pretend that you know her content

>>6960429
>didn't invent 3D dancing

Anon, by these standards, we can keep going back until you argue that no-one has been creative since the stone age.

>>6960506
>I can't see Mori doing this for another year.
Seeing as her music career is dead in the water (hint: she's only marginally good at it, not some genius) I think she'll stick around for the money.

>>6960526
Sensitive takodachi, I'm watching Ina right now. She obviously also really likes her fans, but I'd simply argue that her straight-forward approach to streaming means she isn't quite as invested as Ame or Kiara.

>>6960412
I felt bad for Mori yesterday, but this honestly. No hate on her as a person, but her streams are boring to me, I don't really like her music, and she is always carried by someone else in collabs, and I don't think she works that well with Kiara and Gura. Deadcucks that refuse to see any of this are the worst, KFP is the boogeymen but deadcucks live with a fucking victim complex.

>>6951692
I'm pretty sure these idiots haven't watched even one of her TTRPG streams.

>>6951782
t. clipfaggot

>>6960576
Hold on, are you saying that someone who can only write angsty lyrics and isn't a great singer is not the next coming of Mozart? I'm shocked and so are my other fellow deadbeats

>>6960604
This would put her right in the middle of EN, which is probably in the top 30% of creativity of Hololive. That's not low effort/low creativity. Same thing with Gura, Fubuki has the same burn out when she was the "face" (most subscribed) of Hololive and you could see her relief when this ended. Your post is honestly shortsighted and lacks context

>>6960506
You realize that Kiara is the first to actually stream as her roommate this year, right?

While Mori did Tour, she has continously hinted on her membership streams that it was her last favor towards her "reaper friends". The only reason why it's extended is because the tour dates were moved.

>>6951692
>where this dumb idea came from?
Mori herself. Do your reps retard.

>>6960697
The way people will usually try to evade this is that she doesn't focus on "regular streaming content", which is retarded. It's obvious to anyone that she's putting a lot of effort into Hololive stuff

>>6960752
Let me guess, you're gonna quote the "5% clip" which obviously talks about time spent with deadbeats and not vtubing as a whole?

>>6960715
Tako, you need grow a thicker skin. You're acting more sensitive than most deadbeats right now. Fubuki is far more creative than either Ina or Gura. The fact Gura is dealing with burnout due to her popularity doesn't change anything, she's still dealing with burnout.

>>6951874
>Tree rat
kek
>Watame with 771 hours
holy fuck

>>6960703
She takes herself way too seriously. I wish she would've taken some pointers from Coco like when she did the pasta song or when she started rapping about single men living with their mom during mario stream. Bad at singing (improved a ton though) and not the best at rapping but so much more entertaining than Mori.

>>6960722
So? If it that were a death sentence she would not have done it.

>>6960823
Watame streams like 6 - 7 hours every night. Even if it's usually low effort stuff like Minecraft or, more recently, Shin Chan, it builds up.

>>6950499
Why are Ina-cucks like this

>>6951692
>kiara didnt wanted to be an idol
get the fuck out of this thread

>>6960182
F E E T
/comfy/ blankets
Youtube plays outfit reveal
homemade 3D dance kino
freaking bus simulator

>>6960857
Yeah, she actually believes in her yesmen fans who'll consume anything with an anime girl on it and that's how she became super self entitled in less than a year. I miss coco

>>6960967
Since when has she believed in people saying nice things about her ever?

>>6960811
>Fubuki is far more creative than either Ina or Gura
And Fubuki is the exception and not the norm in Hololive in terms of creativity, did you misread what I say?

>The fact Gura is dealing with burnout due to her popularity doesn't change anything, she's still dealing with burnout.
That's fair, I don't really like judging her on what could possibly be a temporary position though. She's been in it longer than most but all EN had rough weeks that weren't great

>>6960857
Mori's being a tryhard is what makes her what she is though, I'd take tryhard rap that takes itself too seriously over self depreciating joke rap, because that gets old fast

>>6961143
you're talking to someone who doesn't watch her streams.

Literally every instance of frontrunning is frowned upon by Mori.

>>6960722
>Kiara is the first to actually stream as her roommate this year
>When most of JP have been doing that for a while and haven't graduated
>While Coco barely streamed on her roommate account and left
Kiara is fine, she will not left any soon, in special after the yabai of her first roommate stream post hololive.
Gura and Mori on the other hand...

>>6961143
Where else does she get her massive ego from?

>>6952073
Did you not watch Jump King? Bitch did everything she could to avoid playing and was on the verge of a breakdown

>>6953362
Holy fuck chumbuds are delusional

>>6961461
She should've pulled a Towa and just rage quit after 30 min, no one would've blamed her. Well, her chat might've blamed her but she should've just ignored them since they'd get over it.

>>6961365
Anon, she always had a big ego
Otherwise why would she had left everything to pursue a very niche genre of music at Japan because of a one side crush?
Her ego only took a break after getting rejected by said crush and her white grl tier rap was the only thing that kept her up...and the childrens she was a teacher of.

Kiara and Mori want to be famous on their roommate, not as a vTuber.
Ame and Gura would be happier as solo streamers back on Twitch, where they can play and say what they want, do reaction videos, etc
Ina is the only one that seems content in her lane since she likes drawing and she can always fall back on that as stream content

>Kiara and Mori want to be famous on their roommate, not as a vTuber.
>Ame and Gura would be happier as solo streamers back on Twitch, where they can play and say what they want, do reaction videos, etc
>Ina is the only one that seems content in her lane since she likes drawing and she can always fall back on that as stream content

You know it hit where it hurts when they bring out the onions and have nothing to say, lol.

>>6961461
>no worries im not going anywhere you're stuck with me
>this is just the beginning of my journey into music creation
>i have a surprise for 3M celebration stream
>guys i fear one day i will run out of games to play
>20 years

nigga watch the fucking stream

>>6960917
stolen
ok sure
stolen
not original
not original

>>6960429
I cant believe Coco stole the idea of a parody newscast, what a creatively bankrupt whore!

>>6961559
>Ame and Gura would be happier as solo streamers back on Twitch
Reps, anon. Do them

>>6962746
This but unironically.
None of these women are creative.

>>6962810
If you're looking for creativity go look under a bridge for the starving artist. We're here to have fun and throw money around, hopefully in that order.

>>6962810
youre not going to find original content here due to limitations on the medium; what can be found is doing things that are original for vTubers to do that may be commonplace elsewhere. under that lens, several holomems are creative in advancing the medium (ame and coco included)

>>6962193
"3M surprise" is her graduating, ahahahaha.
Seriously though, you have to have low IQ, be underage or severely socially stunted not to understand she is trying desperately not to fall into the parasocial hole herself while setting you dumb fucks up for separation, as painless as possible.
She will fail on both counts.

>>6962446
>>6962810
ogey

>>6951924
Eggs are so retarded.
Say that she shouldn't number fag cause she has quite a lot more success than many other Holos.
Say that she is worthless cause she doesn't get a million views in 2 days.
Pick one narrative please.

>>6951011
Kiara will never graduate. She feeds off her fans just as much as they feed off her, she loves the attention she gets from them and they love the attention she gives them.

>>6965758
Such uninspired take, you should be ashamed.

>>6963151
This anon is shitposting, but I kind of agree, regrettably.
Something just feels different with Gura lately. It really seems like she's a lot more distant. People will say it's because she's depressed, but Gura's always been depressed. It feels like she's trying to have fun and give her fans what they want but she just can't force herself to get into it. She's been streaming less and less and that's before whatever recently happened with her family. I think one of a couple things have happend (obviously this is just conjecture):

A) she's in something like a relationship and can't/won't emotionally invest herself in her audience because it would be too taxing on top of whatever is happening in real life. Basically the whole social battery thing that happens with introverted people.

B) She thought joining hololive would make her happier, maybe even alleviate her depression, but has recently come to the conclusion that it's not going to and is now worried about disappointing millions of her fans.

I'm not trying to start any rrats or anything. This is just how I personally feel things are going. Or at the very least, this is the vibe I'm getting whenever Gura streams. Either way, I want to continue to support her and I hope you will too.

ogey

>>6968497
Boyfriend rrat, graduation rrat + t. I'm a chumbud.
The holy trifecta

>>6968954
I don't think she's graduating. I don't even necessarily believe she has a boyfriend. I just think she's unable to stream the way she wishes she could. All in all, I'm just trying to be realistic and offered the two scenarios that made the most sense to me, someone with chronic depression. Being in any kind of relationship is exhausting.

>>6960380
>fluid in Japanese
Well, you definitely aren't "fluid" in English

>>6962803
That's literally what S & S did before Hololive. And they absolutely had more fun than only being allowed to play Minecraft.

>>6959771
Based sheep... needs to sleep.

>>6950499
>does whatever, but keeps her streams interesting
>the only holoen with original ideas
LOL

Do we need this exact same thread every single day?

You people are sad and mentally ill fucks btw

>>6960033
KFP hands wrote this. Make it less obvious with your biases.

>>6977043
This is one of the reasons why you got your containment board.