/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>70043260
who

>>70043260
Pomu hadn't known Elira/Nova before I'm sure she'd have been bullied as well, instead of just getting her dreams crushed.

>>70043380
notScarle I think

>>70043260
Which liver?

>>70043260
Nina was bullied pretty openly before leaving and even said that she broke down after getting a manager who actually helps her with stuff. And since it's now been confirmed Elira was the sole NijiEN manager, well the picture paints itself.

>>70043260
Who? Mysta's girlfriend??

>>70043445
Sounds like Mika. Definitely Mika

>>70043565
>>70043623
this
a simple youtube search has the answer

>>70043380
>>70043445
>>70043477
>>70043565
(OP) it's mika

Makes sense that clout chasers would use her as a stepping stone towards NijiEN.

Is Mika worth watching compared to other livers?

>>70043800
Too zoomer for my tastes

>>70043800
Mika is dead.

>>70043800
I found her more entertaining than girls like Aia, Scarle, Reimu, Meloco, Kotoka, Finana, Millie and Enna, but I sadly do have to admit that some of her best content is with Enna.

>>70043862
it's funny because she's a ghost

Oh boy, oh boy!
I love me some vague claims.

>>70043260
>All the chubas I liked in kurosanji turned out to be bully victims
>All the ones I disliked turned out to be the bullies
We're getting close to the point where the above statement is almost a perfect line through both lists. turns out judging based on vibes and nothing else checks out.

>>70044064
Well now you have to give us the list.
You can confirm or destroy the rrats single-handedly.

>>70044064
Except Mika was never liked here (for good reason) and Mysta got shat on constantly despite always being shown to be a decent, if menhera, person. Maybe you had them clocked but this place certainly didnt lmao

>>70044064
Trust your gut feeling and all that.

>>70044064
>All the chubas I liked in kurosanji turned out to be bully victims
vivi no....

>>70043260
why you putting mika alongside the drama? She was ID
this clearly sounds like non-nijis acting like friends around her just to get in contact with bigger niji members aka Luxiem

Mika problem with anycolor was being completely neglected because she was ex-ID regardless of her being more popular than some nijiEN at her peak

>>70043800
She's a professional yapper. I liked her, she was entertaining

PUT HER NAME IN THE RENTRY LIST SISTERS!!!

>>70043260
>They didn't treat me as a stepping stone
Hypocritical bitch who admitted that she only cared about NijiEN and especially Luxiem because of their numbers

>>70044148
Mysta got shat on constantly for being a menhera but even his biggest antis never called him a bad person. they just loved laughing at his breakdowns

>>70044353
kek

>>70043260
LMAO, the irony of her saying this after she shamelessly grifted with Luxiem when they were at their peak for months which was, by her own admission, the one thing that saved her career. And after she makes it, she wants to pull up the ladder behind her? Shitty crabs in a bucket mentality

>>70044148
Why, what's wrong with Mika?

>>70043389
100%

>>70044600
not saying it justifies anything, but when everyone in your corpo seems to be a shitty person doing similar, its easy to justify to yourself going with the flow and doing the same.

>>70043260
It's been obvious that the problems at the company are deep and systemic.

One of the reasons the NDF microfocuses on Selen's MV while ignoring other ex-Livers or things like the Discord leaks is because it's much easier to defend the company if they can create an illusion just one person had a problem and everyone else loves the company.

>>70043685
Especially as a stepping stone to collab with Mysta, the second most popular liver after Vox while he was active

>>70044701
Nah, if you have morals and standards it's pretty easy not to go along.

>>70044064
Same bro... all my oshis were bully victims so now I'm worried the rest of my oshis still in Niji are currently being bullied or are next

>>70044422
Even as early as the discord leaks dude was shown to be suffering depressive breakdowns from the schizos stalking all his socials. Rebecca and co. regularly sent him insane supas from different accounts and regularly shat on him on the doxxsite which, periodically, bled into twitter. His only mistake was that he was too menhera to ignore it instead of clapping back and this place hated him for it. I'm glad people are starting to realize that staying in that place would turn anyone crazy

>>70043260
I can't believe Oliver Evans was the bully..

>>70044422
>>70044949
I still distinctively remember seeing a satire edit of the niji discord leak where everyone was saying "war lol holo sucks lmao" and Mysta's parody text was just "please someone just fucking save me".

>>70043260
It's inevitable that Vshojo is gonna be the new home for ex-Livers, but I hope Matara becomes a "good" clique leader who won't outcast the others

>>70043260
wow is this bullying and harassment for first worlders lol very soft thinskinned and mentally ill like doki

>>70044869
ehhh, i mostly agree, but we're also talking weak willed introverted women here.
unironically theres a reason its been the norm that a man needs a woman, and a woman needs a man, for all of history.

>>70043800
If you like zatsus.

>>70044619
People are going to tell two things:
>she's dating Mysta
>she's friends with Enna
She was an entertaining person and that second outfit? Pure sexo.

>>70045050
Millie? This ESL you?

>>70044422
Yeah. Admittedly I just didn't watch him because I thought he was a little weird and irritating. Never any criticism against his character, he seemed like a nice, normal, decent person.

I cannot believe Hana Macchia's situation hasn't come up more frequently during this Nijisanji debacle.

>>70043260
no not mika… yea no wonder
mystia left too

>>70045050
>t. mentally ill SEA that internalized bullying

>>70045080
...that's it? lmao I thought I was missing some big yab

>>70044882
I'm about 50/50 so far. I think I'm just a shit judge of character though.

>>70044600
She's not complaining about grifting, she's complaining about other people being dicks about it. She shamelssly latched onto Mysta for clout but she was also nice to him while doing it and stayed friends with him even after he left. She's complaining about other people latching on to her and then ghosting (heh) her as soon as she introduced them to NijiEN.

>>70044064
Of course it is. Our intuitive senses are the product of literally millions of years of evolutionary selection in social environments where the cost of failing to weed out these entropic rent seekers was to get your entire genetic lineage wiped out.

>>70045199
Oh yeah, didn't she get bullied because the other organs were jealous of her popularity so she tried to be more boring to fit in and still wasn't accepted while simultaneously ruining her career?

>>70044422
the board hated his guts until they forgot about him, now everyone's rewriting history labeling him as the one male that everyone tolerated when catalogniggers were breaking containment and posting screenshots of his friends shittalking him under his tweets

>>70045305
Yup.

>>70043800
watch her recent collab with matara and onigiri on giri’s channel its absolute chaos and kino

>>70045199
What, that her and her entire branch were completely and utterly abandoned with KR being the only one to ever gain anything from the merge purely because a majority of them spoke Japanese? There's nothing to say that hasn't already been said.

>>70045199
Wait what happened with Hana? I just remember her as being interesting a few years back but I fell off at some point.

>>70045316
This. The board wants to hold itself to a high moral standard but you niggers have your fair share of shitty behaviors

>>70044619
She wass NijiID so idk why anyone thinks she was part of the EN bully targeting when she has nothing to do with EN noombers or merchandise collabs.
>>70045199
Everyone somehow forgot ID drama

>>70045050
if this is millie I'm laughing because she's probably getting her shit pushed in right now by management

>>70045209
>mystia left too
Poor girl.

>>70044148
Fuck off with your lies sister. A lot of people enjoyed Mika. Mysta was never shat on, he was only made fun of, very different. Most people considered Mysta to be the most watchable of entire Luxiem, with too often gay baiting being cited as main flaw.

>>70045372
This
>>70045305

>>70045050
>for first worlders
sister, don't out yourself like this....

>>70045305
What the fuck? I can see that happening from what little I saw of her, but jesus fucking christ.. This just happens in every Niji branch, doesn't it? This definitely isn't okay

>>70045199
You could fill a dictionary with the amount of wasted talent in Nijisanji

>>70045379
She was more EN than ID for a long time. More EN than some EN talents too.

>>70045305
... I actually enjoyed her fansly because it felt more real than the usual amateur/career porn shit

But it's a shame she's gotten to that point

>>70045050
>Indonesia
>first world
Fuck off back to SEA, Millie

>>70043260
>jumping on le bullied hype train
Yeah this totally seems legit

>>70045402
>Mysta was never shat on
we get it you arrived to this board 1 month ago.

>>70045400
dont worry theyre together noe in thailand with matara just watched u-san’s concert. im pretty sure shes /in/ vshojo already since she was spotted at the recent vshojo karaoke party

>>70045402
I mostly like watching clips since life takes a lot of time and Mysta's clips were always the best of Luxiem.

Vox was always trying to be sexy, Luca was just POG and nothing else, and Shu and Ike were super forgetable for me, probably because they were both the "smart" guy and you should probably only have 1 of those per wave

>>70045011
Leave vtuber makoto tachibana out of this

>>70045372
She seemed semi-retired and completely broken in spirit with ex-ID annihilation last year with monthly graduations of her branchmates.

>>70045549
You're trying too hard to fit in.

>Nijivermin that herself stepped over her entire branch and treated them all like worthless garbage has thoughts

>>70043260
Man I wish I had friends lol

>>70045443
Yeah, it seems to be because Niji has 0 tardwrangers.

A lot of streamers are entitled attention whores who think they're better than everybody else so it's not surprising that every branch just becomes mean girls

>>70045582
you're going to sit here and tell me that people weren't mocking his menhera episodes, pulling up PL clips to point out contradictions, and screenshotting when he'd reply to twitterfags to laugh at him and say how unprofessional he is? you're gonna sit here and tell me holofags liked mysta?

>>70045305
I'm not even mind of her roommate account but the girl doesn't have what it takes to maintain a larger audience and in any industry, if you can't grow, it's a sign of decline

>>70045564
Yup. While almost nobody here expect Niji thread watched Mysta religiously (same with other homos), he was the only one who was quite watchable in segments and the only one capable of actually being funny (until Doppio arrived but by that time people here completely gave up on niji males)

>>70045660
Learn how to read you subhuman monkey.
>Mysta was never shat on, he was only made fun of

>>70043518
Wait a steamer was a manager?

>>70045305
FFS, I just want my oshi to be happy, why is that so hard?

>>70045726
that is the same thing. aside from being hated for being a male people hated him for being menhera. why are you trying to pretend that it was just playful ribbing and not containment breaking even back then before this retarded reddit board devolved into facebook

>>70045776
It's not the same thing. Learn English.

>>70045263
And by shamelessly, she was very upfront about what she was doing. IIRC they even talked about it during Mysta's graduation. Not that I expect anyone here to have watched that.

>>70043260
why is every fucking niji en that leaves the company have horror stories like this and feels like they’ve been through a chinese reeducation camp or something
mika isnt even under niji en she is under niji jp when her branch dissolved

holy fuck what the hell is happening inside that company theres fucking actual warcrimes going down that shithole

>>70044949
>His only mistake

>>70045675
The only Niji males I actually genuinely enjoyed aa streamers were Mysta, Alban, and Doppio.

I like Bandage too but I followed him from his PL which was so much better.

I also followed Alban and Ren from their PLs but Ren is a much better at music and edited videos than he is at streaming

>>70045771
Your oshi doesn't deserve to be happy. She's a whore and deserves a whore's fate.

>>70043260
That's good to hear. I don't know who was taking care of her but that's sweet to hear other people exist like that.
Wish I knew someone like that.

>>70043260
Holy based, love this yapping bitch and seeing her happy and motivated is great.

>>70045798
it is the same thing, learn to stop being retarded

>>70045917
God I don't have the timestamp but the one where someone donated about the Yatch and she was trying her hardest not to laugh it was funny. If one thing I like about Mika is that her chat was also insane.

>>70045843
Funny how the ones you mentioned are the only ones who had a somewhat positive opinion on this board. It really goes to show that most of them were fucking garbage and only a couple were decent. Mysta already escaped. Doppio is the one who was joining Zaion in banter vs Kyo. Alban is one of guys suspected to be the leaker. Ren was praised for defending Zaion (but he lost a lot of rep during recent situation...).

>>70046055
Yeah it was pretty funny how she wasn't shy to shit on Nijisanji in the weeks before her graduation.

>>70043260
Damn who's thi-
>Mika
Lol who gives a fuck about that indog chink

>>70045998
No, learn English. Fuck off from this site and do something productive so that your family can afford better meals than pagpag you disgusting indog.

I think a part of the bullying problem inside of Niji aside from not having tard wranglers is just how many people they debut. There is so much competition WITHIN the company for loyal Niji viewers and resources. The more people you have, the higher the chance you hired someone toxic.

Holo doesn't have this same problem because of tard wranglers but also because they don't debut a bunch of shit talents and hope some rise to the top, they create their waves to work well together and give each wave an appropriate amount of time to grow and advertise them enough to stand on their own before debuting new waves.

Niji is sink or swim and those sinking will try to drag those swimming down with them.

Holo gives every member swimming lessons so that they can succeed before adding a new wave

>>70045492
So judging by this tweet isn't it the IDs who were bullying her and using her for views? Which EN female would use her as a stepping stone?

>>70046074
Krisis and Claude didn't do anything wrong. Neither did Sonny

>>70045726
Nijisisters bullied him along with the clique, just no one cared about Nijisanji EN overall back then.

>>70046074
I don't think Alban can be leaker-san because leaker-san stated they just retweeted the blackout pr but Alban quote tweeted it.

>>70043260
she doesn't follow dookiebird, this confirms dookiebird is really just mentally ill and they thought this was a jab at niji lol

>>70046225
No. Do your reps. ID didn't give a shit about growing numbers. They all were intentionally gimping themselves the moment one was on the verge of succeeding. Only EN orbiters would use Mika for views. ID branch is full of lowest common denominators who want to stay low as long as they live better than average life in that shithole.

>>70046244
Claude is an Elira nepohire you goddamn retard
You have to be retarded to ignore everyone saying it when they were debuting
And Krisis has the fucking faggot Wilson and almost had another Elira epohire before he was smart enough to leave and leak shit before debut

>>70046074
You're really misguided if you think Alban is the leaker.

>>70043260
i didnt even watch this bitch outside of clips and the giri collab and now im grown ass man crying for this whore. just fucking reincarnate faster i swear il watch your ass and even throw a superchat. this girl deserves better

>>70046325
>Alban quote tweeted
You're right, I missed that fact. I guess this suggests Fulgur is the leaker then.

>>70046225
It might have been ID people but I think its more likely that since Mika and Mysta were genuinely friends that other ENs tried to get close to Mika in order to get close to Mysta.

They basically used Mika and Mysta's friendship as a bridge and it worked because all of Mika's ID friends were graduating so of course she'd want to make more friends from EN.

>>70046419
Kill yourself, worthless tranny

>>70044064
Sisters will try to say you're a schizo for trusting your gut feeling but 99% of the time it turns out to work. Always thought Millie and Enna were irredeemable cunts behind the scenes and bam.

>>70046431
What the fuck is wrong with you people in this thread? Am I talking to a crowd of SEA apes? Learn how to read holy shit.
I said he's one of people suspected to be a leaker, not that I personally think he specifically is the one.

>>70046509
We know Enna is a manipulative bitch so she probably saw the opportunity to use Mika to get to Mysta and possibly take some of his audience with her.

I think Enna leeched the most off of Luxiem and the other more successful males like Kyo

>>70046509
But that doesn't make any sense to me when ENs had easy access to Mysta and went on trips with him. Which ENs? Luxiem and Nina were his friend group. Was it Reimu because of the whole Vox shit? Enna?
>>70046382
I am doing my reps and Mika's noombers aren't making sense from a stepping stone standpoint, nor does it make sense from a branch standpoint because as much as she hated Indonesia, she was not EN.

>>70043260
Is everyone in this thread ESL? Why would someone within Nijisanji use her to get to someone else in Nijisanji? She's talking about people outside who, presumably, wanted to get close to the other EN's or, more likely, Mysta specifically.

>>70045305
Wait.
So before the rrat was that Hana kneecapped herself for being an ID that basically scooped up a lot of fans since she spoke English well, had a playful personality and fill in the power vacuum left behind by NijiIN.
She got a lot of success for an IN talent, I believe she mogged HoloID gen 1, but every always talked about self-sabotage and like that they got different vibes from her? Which IDs shat on her or bullied her?

>>70046244
Nobody has a positive opinion about Krisis or Claude because nobody watches them. What we do know about them is that Krisis has Yucky Wilson who is almost as garbage as Uki and Vox as he revelead in his artist drama. meanwhile Claude is Elira's nepo hire just like Shu.

>>70046679
>I am doing my reps and Mika's noombers aren't making sense from a stepping stone standpoint
You aren't doing your reps. Mika, just like most of Nijis, was above 99% of vtubers.

>>70046679
Just because Mysta and the rest were in close proximity doesn't mean they were close. Kuro has talked about how he hated how many collabs he was forced to do in Niji and how he wished people would just focus on their own content. You can tell in his collabs that he genuinely like collabing with Mika but is more or less forced to collab with some of the ENs.

They way they would use Mika would not be a proximity bridge, but an emotional one.
>Mysta and Mika are genuine friends
>Organ wants Mysta clout but Mysta has them emotionally distanced
>Becomes friends with Mika so Mysta opens up
>Use Mika as bridge of friendship and trust
>Collab with Mika and Mysta to get Mysta clout
>Closer with Mysta so no longer needs Mika
>Stops interacting with Mika because they are now friends with Mysta

>>70046714
I recently had displeasure of talking with indogs in one community and half of this thread behaves exactly the same - absolute fucking retarded mongoloids who barely speak English and completely fail to understand what's written, drawing extremely misguided conclusions, seemingly skipping multiple logic leaps between post they respond to and their own reply full of idiotic questions and lunatic insinuations. That region should be range-banned from /vt/ or 4chan as a whole.

>>70046872
I am and she isn't showing up in those gold and silver posts. She had a good amount of clips because of EN buff. What females wanted to get to Mysta via her in Nijisanji EN? Again, they quite literally had access to him.
>>70046952
Any names so this can make a lick of sense? Who was friends with Mika?

>>70044064
same feeling here

>>70046952
Can you name one? I don't even think they were close to Mika or Mysta and I think they rarely collabed, but maybe Millie or Enna?
I thought Enna and Mika got along like actual friends. Millie and Mysta always had the flip connection, but I think they rarely collabed.
Nina, Mika and Mysta were all genuine friends so I don't think it was her either.
So Millie??

>>70047079
You're fucking retarded. It's not about Nijisanji livers you goddamn cretin. It's about people OUTSIDE of Nijisanji. Holy fucking shit how can you be this stupid?

>>70047079
>>70047142
Kill yourself you stupid dog. Stop posting and slit your throat.

>>70047149
>>70047212
>posting on cooldown
Why are you so mad? It's just a thread about a tweet.

>>70043800
Her content was disgusting. Mostly talking about the nightclubs she visits and every topic is sex sex sex all the time.

>>70045877
when she was talking about vtubers being e-girls with avatars, she was projecting

>>70047142
I think probably Millie and/or Enna. Its more likely Enna though. Betrayal comes from people you think are genuinely your friends and NotMika's post reads like she was betrayed and friendships she thought were real actually weren't and she was just being used to climb the ladder

>>70047116
yeesh I liked the bullies
But at the same time it all clicked once the rrats started coming true
Then again I think evil women hot so...

>>70043260
I'm not sure who would use Mika as a stepping stone, though. Sounds more like people outside of Niji using her as a way to connect with someone bigger in Niji like Luxiem at their peak.

>>70044148
Whatd the good reason i never really liked mikak but never thought anything bad bought her just there you know

>>70045316
He deserves it for being a fag. Even in VShojo, he's a fag.
>never showed any support for Doki
>joining a vtuber agency only to become a face streamer

>>70047499
You people have fucking brainrot from exposure to Hololive. Mika is far above vast majority of indies.

>>70047416
But I don't think Enna and Mysta ever collabed much.
>>70047149
Well Kuro said he's kissed IPN, and Shxto was the one leeched off Vox or they both leeched off each other? Granted I didn't watch Mysta, but I don't think anyone besides Nina and Mika were ever like constant collaborators. To the point they were always accused of leeching.

>>70046357
>she doesn't follow dookiebird, this confirms dookiebird is really just mentally ill

Yes sis! flawless mental gymnastic!

>>70047499
It could be people outside Niji but I'm not sure how much it would benefit them regardless since its so hard to get collabs with Niji talents as an indie unless you're Shxtou and have Hanamori connection buff

>>70045080
>that second outfit? Pure sexo.
I know, right? The fact that she designed it just makes it(and her) sexier.

>>70047613
>>70047648
Even a single collab with Niji is a huge deal for 2views.

>>70047593
Do people just forget that 350k+ subs with a large ccv is actually a really fucking high amount for normal people?

>>70043260
i swear i will forever anti nijisanji as long as i dont see the entire corpo burn to the ground and riku sobbing and drowning in its ashes

>>70047919
Yes, we're all brainwashed by Holo numbers

>>70043518
>Nina was bullied pretty openly before leaving
If this is true then why hasn't she sided with Dramabird? Really makes me think...

>>70048081
Why would she get involved in a legal matter that has nothing to do with her? Not everyone wants to be dramafags.

>>70048081
It should make you think a lot more because it wasn't people within Niji that bullied her. It was fujos who were fans of Luxiem that bullied her.

>>70045305
This is just a rrat anons made up to spicy up the fact she just isn't the type of person who does well with a large audience.
shes still actively filtering people so that she just can enjoy streaming on her own terms, for better or worse.
>>70046509
I may be wrong but I think I remember Mika mentioning this idea of others using her as a means to get to Mysta before, fuck if I remember when though.
Mika also was pretty open about how NijiEN had favoritism and that limited her ability to do stuff.
>>70046753
>fill in the power vacuum left behind by NijiIN
What power vacuum? IN was a failure and only had a peak of 50 viewers a stream when they did stream.
Hana was gaining popularity way before they even debuted from just being the most English focused corpo vtuber at the time, added with Mick Gordon visiting her chat.
>Which IDs shat on her or bullied her?
As someone who watched ID from early in its life, it seems none of them did.
Just the natural follow of friend groups happened when you have a shy friend and new friends join.
Shy friends are too shy to interact as the new people and then end up growing distant with everyone else.
Hana is known to dislike big amount of viewers so it stands to reason she also is adverse to big friend groups.

>>70046753
No one knows, its rrat territory. She seemed close enough with ZEA so maybe not her?
It's still crazy though how bullying/emotional manipulation is such a reoccuring issue across multiple branches in Nijisanji. It's completely apparent now why the company's success is either always shortlived or just isolated to a few handful of talents at the top like Kuzuha or Kanae. Instead of there being multiple groups of people with shared interests or everyone contributing towards one common goal, it devolves into tribalistic high school drama crossed with an "everyone for themselves" mentality.

>>70048081
>Dramabird
Nijinigger shut the fuck up

>>70044018
not even a claim, just an implication

>>70046645
Peak SEA hours

>>70047531
Why would he involve himself in this shitshow after he moved on from Nijisanji months ago? Doki doesn't need his support considering she has so many people supporting her now. Pomu and Mika also haven't publicly showed support for Doki. It's understandable since people are framing this into a Doki vs all of Nijisanji talents situation after the retarded statement released by Nijisanji.
As for the face streamer complaint, he's planning on mainly doing vtubing while occasionally doing IRL streams for situations like the Japan trip. VShojo already had a vtuber who does face cam streams before he joined (Kson). The talent freedom is one of the things that attracted him to this agency.

>>70048173
>This is just a rrat
No it's not. Do your reps. ID branch has always been like that.

>>70046753
>>70048173
It wasn't shitting on or bullying the way you seem to understand those words. It was ghosting, alienating, ostracizing.
Hana wanted to be together with her fellow ID livers but they weren't interested in growth so she decided to kneecap herself to once again be one of them. Mika wasn't interested in that so she abandoned worthless ID fuckers and hanged out with EN.

>>70048655
>Hana wanted to be together with her fellow ID livers
She even rejected solo 3D proposal because she wanted to have 3D with her whole gen instead. Stupid decision.

I liked watching Mika. Her model was great and her voice is weirdly calming to me. It's nice to see her happy.

>>70045917
I'm sad Nijisanji ruined yet another sex model. I loved Mika

>>70045050
your mom is a whore millie

>>70048655
nah.. she was just retarded and self-sabotaged. it's not that deep

It is mika, damn, the trip with friends does refer to that they went to a trip with risu ollie and zeta

>>70048822
Yeah this is why ID branch of niji failed
No one is in it for growth so they stagnanted

Like there's a lot of situations they could have nailed a great growth path but talents and mgmt not taking advantage unlike HoloID

>>70049034
I feel like you're one of ID livers trying to damage control and sell the narrative there was no problem there.

>>70048173
>NijiEN favoritism
Even within EN they had favoritism.
Otherwise, how do you explain how a shitter like Reimu has the same amount of individual/non-group merch as Selen who was one of their top-performing members?

Individual merch and/or non-group merch
>Reimu - White Day 2023, Sakura Bloom 2023, Road Trip goods = 3
>Selen - Sakura Bloom 2022, Aristocrat and Servant merch, Road Trip goods = 3

>>70043260
Literally who

>>70043260
It just keeps getting worse and worse with this company, jesas........

Hanas career suicide had nothing to do with NijiEN, she's just that stupid

>>70043445
Its Mika, you retarded tourist.

>>70048844
I don't even like Mika but she's the only recent ex-Niji I actually feel very bad for, you can about muh bullying and clique or whatever but the EN branch actually has SOME level of support and managers who they get along well with and branch activities, some semblance of a chance at ever getting 3D, frequent merch drops, etc, and ID/KR genuinely just got thrown to the dogs

>>70049220
Yeah, ther merch thing makes zero sense from an economic standpoint because who in the fuck is buying Reimu merch and everyone and their mother wanting Selen merch

>>70049220
Simple. Reimu is a card-carrying m member of the clique while Selen is not. Not to mention the sheer number of sponsored streams that they gave to Reimu compared to Selen so that Reimu could still earn more money despite her lackluster performance.

>>70048655
>they weren't interested in growth
sure
>so she decided to kneecap herself to once again be one of them
what the fuck is this shit
not long after mick gordon incident, she even stopped streaming for a while instead of using the momentum because she herself said she isn't comfy with speed chat

you all should have caught some of her last streams
the times where she'd toe NDA were so close, like just one more phrase and she could have gotten sued
didn't give a fuck because she admitted no one in management watched her stuff or gave a single fuck about her

>>70049294
Of course it had nothing to do with Niji EN you retarded ape, she suicided her career a year before EN even existed. However it wasn't just her being stupid, it was also depressingly complacent attitude of entire ID branch affecting her weak mental.

>>70049400
>what the fuck is this shit
What do you mean what, it's explained there.

>>70045734
highly likely

>>70049443
Honestly everything she did right befoe she graduated was great.

>>70045734
yes

>>70049545
you can't pivot that quick if you're being bullied is what I'm saying
and not only that, it's fucking tone-deaf with how she actually acts

>>70044064
Me but I completely fucking missed on Elira

>>70045734
Not a proper part of management, more like a bridge between the managers and the streamers. Think of it as a semi-manager. Someone performing managerial duties without the title of manager.

>>70049220
Kek. Reimu couldn't even sell out her meet and greet tickets until the day of the event itself while Selen sold out in minutes. No wonder Selen called out favouritism in the company

>>70045734
Afaik not in an official capacity, but rather practically, because the talents built up parallel structures.
At least that's the rrat.

>>70049220
>>70049368
Don't forget about this.

>>70049658
A lot of people did since she didn't really self report like Enna and Millie do.

She always felt disingenuous to me though. I like streamers who let the audience see the real them although maybe slightly filtered or energy boosted. You can tell a lot of the time when a streamer is showing you what they think you want to see vs. unapologetically being themselves

>>70049824
Harassment via denying opportunities to the party who desperately wants it and giving it instead to someone who doesn't give a shit but is part of your clique and will reap monetary benefits. With Sanrio it was Millie. She didn't give a shit about Sanrio

>>70049612
it was a good larp while it lasted

>>70050007
sister, you missed the part where multiple leaks are happening from different leakers.
Everyone is paranoid in their discord channel.
And you missed agent LK.

>>70049917
There's also the interesting disparity between how much Pomu's merch sold vs how much was made, in comparison to Elira who pulled lesser purchases but got more than three times her merch.

>>70050007
????
There's nothing suggesting it was a larp.

>>70043260
we will save you mika you dumbfuck

>>70049824
That's depressing

>>70050007
Kill yourself nijinigger. Pic rel was leaker's post about Rosemi.

>>70049824
Another nail in the coffin for Elira's reputation.

>>70050007
t. Anon who conflated the fake ''February 23th Big Announcement'' larper with Leaker-San and LK

>>70043260
>it's bullying because...I didn't *feel* appreciated so I started mentally destroying myself on my own
I can guarantee you whoever she's talking about don't even know their completely casual interactions left her wanting to kill herself. So this is what they call a woman moment.

>>70044064
Gut feelings exist for a good reason.

>>70050213 (me)
23rd...

>>70048655
I know what the word bullying entails anon, but do you really think that she'd still be handicapping herself even now that the whole clique in question is gone to do their own thing, if she didn't do it for her own reasons?
She chose this path with her own will, deciding to make the stupid choices she did and is continuing to make.
>>70049205
NTA but the exids have no reason to care this stupid bullshit, most of them aren't vtubers anymore and are too busy with their real lives to spend time trying to damage control their previous personas they quit.
exid comes up so little that finding discussion of them is like a needle in a haystack, so why would they bother defending themselves when most people don't care still.
>>70049220
That is what Mika meant even at the time, since she was practically in the same room as them, even if she didn't get any benefits.
She could see how EN wasn't just favored branch-wise but also individual liver wise.
Now as for merch, one could argue that maybe reimu worked harder to get the merch made than the others.
But that's only if you ignore the clique and the overall fact that others lost opportunities because of the other livers willful actions, as seen here >>70049824
>>70049360
whats hilarious though is that nijiEN only got promotional support at most and were left to fend for themselves management wise but ID still has management on some level, even if as pointed out here >>70049443, they didn't care about the livers that much at this point.
>>70049658
If it makes you feel better anon, even me and some anons who acknowledged the possibility of the clique trying to deflect that it was enna who was the ring leader, because we felt it would be out of character for elira to be the leader.
honestly elira could've kept that good will going if she didn't self report herself, the known cunt of EN and said cunt's hyena.
its still funny to me that had elira said literally any other livers name, it would've lessen the damage to her rep.

>>70050080
>>70050092
>>70050162
>>70050213
I'm using the supposed "leaker"'s own posts from the "Q&A" as corroboration.
He said he made two posts about Rosemi, the first being about the "save me pink girl" tweet.
That post was marked with "t. mod of ex-liver".
The new "leaker" didn't mention Rosemi in the context of "save me pink girl" anywhere else.

>>70050296
Why can't you get this through your brain that there can be two things at once and you aren't forced to choose only one while abandoning other?

>>70050007
There's at least 3 different leakers we know of.
>LK, likely clique member gone double agent
>Leaker-san, likely an organ outside the clique, doesn't know as much as LK about management affairs such as the dates of terminations and graduations
>Ex-Niji mod, would know the least about the inner workings of Niji

>>70050328
If he had already commented on it, maybe it makes sense he would leave it out on the next round?

>>70050328
You confused two different people for one.

>>70050162
>6 people.
Same guy?

>>70049220
Wait so explain this to me. Giving merch to less popular member = favoritism but only giving merch to top members isn't? That sounds like neglect and bullying to me, is this the same shitpost as "graduate everyone but Gura"?

>>70049360
>EN branch actually has SOME level of support and managers who they get along well with and branch activities.
Are you talking about niji EN branch?

>>70050385
fuck it's getting hard juggling all these LARPers
why didn't leaker-san just use a fucking tripcode the one fucking time it would be acceptable

>>70050368
and that's the thing, I scoured through multiple GURRAT threads prior to the "no embezzlement" post and there was no post with this guy's writing style mentioning "save me pink girl".
The threads between his hint about Selen's "assistant" and his "clarification" about Rosemi were filled with a bunch of schizo connections trying to tie Rosemi's "typing style" into the leaked Discord pic.
>>70050382
feel free to point out the "leaker"'s first ever Rosemi post then, the one where he talks about the "save me pink girl" tweet.

>>70050419
Considering that the company usually only makes decisions for profit's sake? Yeah. Also the extent that Elira has merch over everyone else is absurd for what it sells.

>>70050328
I dont understand, whats your point?

>>70050385
The ''6 people'' detail is too specific, but since the streamers are supposedly sharing the same Discord server, it could be that these are 2 differents leakers that saw the same amount of members shitting on Selen/Doki.

>>70050419
It's favoritism because Reimu is part of the clique. Giving more opportunities only to clique members = favoritism

>>70050523
It's hilarious since it stood out to me the first time. I thought it was a larp because it was way, way too specific. This thread was wild tho.

>>70050102
thanks rpr

>>70050419
9 (Elira) vs 3 (Selen) vs 2 (Pomu)
You'd think they'd try to balance this out a bit more

maybe he larped as a mod before

>>70050578
>dookey bitch
>not dookeybird
one job

>>70050478
>only makes decisions for profit's sake
Do you really believe that knowing Anycolor keeps so many underperformers around? Literally 99% of livers shouldn't get anything at all by this logic.
>>70050540
>it's favoritism because I don't like it
Ah, now this makes sense.

>>70050634
That would make a lot more sense. Initially wasn't sure if he could admit to being a liver so he larped as mod but then did more research and saw other livers going unpunished with leaks so he decided to be honest too.

>>70050426
yes

>>70050466
As far as I understood it, he's talking about having previously answered the ''save me pink girl'' rrats, going to deconfirm them.

>>70050664
Keeping someone doesn't cost anything. Not even a single yen. 2view niji JPs don't get any special opportunities.

>>70050664
Why should they care about the underperformers? They don't provide support and don't even have a base salary. I remember even before NijiEN finding clips of Niji members saying that it's common to have a second or "primary" job to vtubing just because the money was so shit.

>>70050451
leaker-san is a balancing factor. Not clique, but also not going to openly fight the clique, basically correcting misconceptions. They dont want to be found out by the public, but they also arent really scared of being figured out by the clique, probably cause theyre in graduation queue and theyre towing NDA. Theyve also made several posts without saying who they are, and only writing style and very careful reading enables making a connection to them.

LK was the one leaking the spicy stuff that was really damaging to clique. Still careful, but dropping hints who they themselves were left and right. Ive seen a few other anons that have figured it out, but Im surprised the board as a whole hasnt yet.

>>70050484
*sigh*
Alright confession time, I compiled all of the posts that had the leaker's signature into a rentry for ease of search -
https://rentry.org/nijileaker/
And in the middle of reading through this, I saw that in the Q&A he said he had made two prior posts about Rosemi (>>69824442).
I found the second post, where he clarifies that she was not "in cahoots", just a satellite (>>69147808).

I went through pretty much all the GURRAT threads in order, wasted 2 hours of my life and I was not able to find the supposed first post from the same guy - except the original "save me pink girl" rrat that was started by a supposed mod all the way back on the 9th, even before the Elira video, which said the clique was the "Enna clique" (when Elira was later revealed to be the leader).
So it's most likely a larper who couldn't keep it straight, and I'm just annoyed I wasted all that time compiling this thing.
>>70050699
if you know which post it was, could you link it?

>>70050634
I am confident that is not leaker-san, that is probably actually that mod. the content does not align with leaker-sans perception of rosemi at all, it also does not with LKs perception.

>>70050699
you are correct

>>70050578
The answer's writing style and the very specific details that almost no other anon would have thought of before, made it feel like it was at least 40% legit. Then Leaker-san soft-confirmed it, as it has been shown.

>>70050664
It makes even less sense when you take into account that Selen debuted before Reimu. How is it that Reimu and Ethyria in general has more merch opportunities than Selen and Obsydia?
Simple favoritism

>>70050776
Or he changed the way he introduced himself. Haven't thought of that huh? Why are you people so quick to dismiss information?

>>70050728
And people like this accuse anything of being a black company

>>70050634
You can tell whoever was larping there is just totally disconnected from western social media, "save me white girl" was doing the rounds on Twitter again around that time

>>70050776
the first post is clearly not leaker-san anon.

>>70050805
balancing factor...
youre correct

>>70050685
Lol, it's KR all over again with more extended life support.

>>70050776
also I was in all of those threads at the time, and post 3 is a direct response to me. So Im relatively confident that my perception isnt wrong. I also talked to LK in the original gurrat thread.

>>70050813
If they fed all merch opportunities to older talents just because they're older you'd also be calling favoritism.

>>70043260
GODDAMMIT, ONE WEEK
ONE WEEK OF NO YABS, IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR??

>>70045372
Basically all of the others anons were saying. Also, she did porn (debatable)

>>70050419
>>70050664
>>70050959
Fuck off sister. All you do is spam dishonest arguments.

>>70050924
Except EN actually makes good money. Less money than they did a year ago, but money all the same. ID and KR were a fucking shitshow, only a couple members out of all of them could break 100 viewers and they hardly made a dime

>>70050959
No, it'd make sense if over their lifetime, the older gens had more merch because they literally existed when the newer gens didn't. But that's not the case, and instead Elira towers over pomu and finana. Nothing about it makes sense.

>>70051008
That's right, only listen to those who agree with you, you'll sleep better at night.

>>70050837
sex with lily

>>70050776
First in Post#3 he is referring to have tried deconfirm the ''Rosemi is in the clique'' rrat two times. Post#1 possibly isn't from the leaker, it would contradict what he said after about Rosemi. Also, the guy never signed his own posts and it doesn't possess his writing style. But I can't remember when did he first mention her.

>>70051017
>Except EN actually makes good money
Not for long.

>>70044619
The only reason Mika was "hated" is because she got too close to luxiem for the nijisisters liking, the same ones driving themselves into a frenzy becuase Uki can't be racist in public so you know, go figure

>>70050959
LazuLight debuted together.
Elira has 9 non-group official Niji merch releases
Pomu and Finana have 2.
While it's somewhat understandable why Finana has so few (small fanbase), there is no explanation for the difference between her and Pomu, when Pomu's merch has always outsold Elira's.
You'd think a business focused on profit would try to balance out things just a little bit more.

>>70043260
>friends that take care of me
I wish I had them too...

>>70051019
>Merch distribution doesn't follow arbitrary rules I have invented for it so it doesn't make sense
You don't say.

>>70050776
Post being about XYZ doesn't mean that XYZ was directly stated in the post.

>>70051150
A business focused on profit would've graduated Finana and half the EN livers after half a year of them being popularity void that bring nothing to the table. Have you ever looked at every gen past Luxiem and wondered why they even exist? Look, one is streaming right now and has less views than Rratna. Clearly profit isn't something niji are concerned with if they keep this literally nothing around.

>>70050865
>>70050951
>>70051117
>>70051216
He clarified that he did make one post about "save me pink girl" in his 3rd post, and implies he made one post about Rosemi prior to his 2nd post.
So which post is the first post he made then?
The only post that refers to "save me pink girl" is that "t.mod" post.

>>70051293
Keeping unpopular livers around doesn't cost the company any money. They don't have a salary or anything.

>>70051349
Because an answer wouldn't need to repeat word for word ''save me pink girl''.

>>70050776
oh also, if youre the guy with the model, I asked you about stuff in a different thread. apart from the post from the 9th, your attribution of posts to leaker-san has no mistakes. Im sorry I wasted your time, I assumed you were attributing LKs post as well. thats why I asked for a list last time cause I wasnt sure how extensive you were being, and I appreciate the effort.

>>70043260
Nijisisters keep losing you love to see it.
>>70050419

Are you fucking stupid?

>Anycolor is obsessed with making money.>Anycolor will logically give more merch opportunities to organs who sell more merch.>This doesn't happen.>Instead merch opportunities are given to a bunch of literal whos.>Directly implies strings were pulled to give merch opportunities to the undeserving.>Strings pulled for the benefit of the undeserving and the detriment to the deserving = favoritism.

>>70050959
It's just natural for older talents to have more merch because they already got merch when the newer gens didn't exist yet. If they distributed the merch opportunities at an even rate to all the members from the time of debut, older waves would have had more merch in their lifespan.
So Selen should have had more merch than Reimu. Instead she had to deal with clique favoritism

>>70051349
Again
>Post being about XYZ doesn't mean that XYZ was directly stated in the post.
And if it was a reply to image, you won't find the text in archive.

>>70043518
You guys really spread some nonsense
https://twitter.com/MillieParfait/status/1747366314392305690
https://twitter.com/MataraKan/status/1747366319098388615
Nina is good friends with Elira, Millie, Enna etc they still hang out and meet up even after she has left and vague post about it on twitter like the above tweets. What actually happened was that Millie, Enna and Reimu were hanging out without her sometimes before they debuted and obviously Nina's feelings were hurt by that she felt left out because she was the only outsider of their wave, but they resolved that within months of starting and all became very good friends there after. Elira never had a problem with Nina at all, she started collabing with Nina from very early on after her debut, ended up great friends with her, and was hosting some well loved reoccurring streams with her like the Lucky Dragon Host Club.

>>70050959
Older talents SHOULD have more merch than new ones because they started earlier. If you got 6 merch opportunities per year and the next wave debuted 1 year after yours, you should always have 6 more than the next wave simply because you existed the first year and they did not

>>70051293
They make profit from even the shitties lowest sub vtubers.Their entire business model is premised on minimizing talent expenses and offloading as much work as possible unto the talent and fans (in the form of fanart for thumbnails, schedules etc)

>>70051349
I think those post(s) were outside the gurrat threads, or after I concluded the gurrat reveals were done. I never took notes or saved links because I didnt know it would become important until like a week afterwards.
if youve links to gurrat threads in order I can maybe find it if its inside there somewhere, if its not inside there, Ill try to find them through archive, might take a long time though, Im retarded.

>>70051536
The poster you're answering to is really doing mental gymnastics to the point that they may have to inaugurate the mental olympics.

>>70051472
>benefit of the undeserving and the detriment to the deserving
Hate to break it to you but dividing members by "deserving" and "undeserving" is exactly what favoritism is.

>>70051058
>Dishonest
Really after being called out -39iqsister

NDF is strong in this thread with their disingenuous deflections.

>>70051349
He deconfirmed the little tier list I made that had Rosemi in the "In cahoots" category and said it was a mischaracterization. Its easy to tell who was in those threads and who wasn't because leaker-san was EXTREMELY clear about which posts were his previous ones

>>70051617
Stop changing definitions of words you retarded SJW.

>>70048081
>le retard de baitsisters

>>70051464
>>70051502
So what we basically have is a missing link.
>>70051469
No problem, everything else seems to check out except this one niggle. If he did make a post about her, I wish someone remembered which one it was. The older GURRAT threads were absolute chaos with schizo shit flying everywhere.
>>70051594
The original gurrat archive is still saved by one anon here : https://rentry.org/thegurrat
I searched for a bunch of shit with different permutations of "save me pink girl" in different combinations and words etc. in the archives for a while and couldn't find one other that the old rrat.
Hope you have better luck than me. I'll continue digging.
>>70051634
I don't think he was the one who made the tier list right? Maybe he "confirmed" it when it was first made perhaps.

>>70043260
This sounds less like a company issue and more about other streamers outside the company using her.

>>70051634
NTA, but I remember that tier list. You updated it afterwards, or was it another anon that did so?

>>70051617
keyword: unfair

>>70051660
Stop having double standards. It's all good when it's the ones you like get special treatment.

>>70051594
I think they were in a disguised reat thread and the image on the catelogue was pretty fanart of Elira

>>70051735
special treatment is not favoritism if it's based on a fair assesment

>>70051735
I don't have double standards you dishonest fucktard. You're a lying piece of shit.

>>70051687
>I don't think he was the one who made the tier list right?
Poster is saying that the tier list made by himself was deconfirmed by the leaker.

>>70051617
If its based off of numbers it would be favoritism for profit (which I think would still be fair)
If it seems to be based on something arbitrary or a magical metric, there's likely another reason for the favoritism, in this case its the clique

>>70043623
>>70043675
Why do you act like anyone knows who mika is?

>>70051617
Hate to break it to you but in an allegedly meritorcratic environment, giving more opportunities to the deserving is not favoritism, it's the system that works as intended (and basic logic, but that is something that seems to be beyond you).

>>70051798
>If its based off of numbers it would be favoritism for profit (which I think would still be fair)
That's not favoritism. That's healthy business model.

>>70051704
Another anon updated it and then sisters started making their own "clique, not clique" one with Selen as the only one outside the clique in response

>>70051752
Assesment based on what, just numbers? Not even Anycolor is that black of a company. By your logic only those who are already the most popular should get everything making them even more popular while everyone else don't get shit and have no opportunities.

>>70051766
Yes, that is what I was saying. The only thing that was deconfirmed was the placement of Rosemi though so having her as "In Cahoots" must have been WAY off the mark, especially since leaker-san never made any other corrections to the tier list

>>70051735
>Demand&Supply is favoritism
Congratulations you are very retarded by this board standard

>>70051889
>Not even Anycolor is that black of a company
lmao
please refer to NijiJP

>>70051828
Yeah, I agree. I was just trying to make it clear for the anon who is probably NDF so that they can move on to their next retarded talking point
LMAO

>>70051766
> Poster is saying that the tier list made by himself was deconfirmed by the leaker.
as a reply to that post? or in the post that starts with "there is no embezzlement"?
because if it's the first, then we have a bingo

>>70051536
Ethyria who debuted later has more wave merch than Obsydia (which Selen was a part of).

>ETHYRIA – 1st step, xmas 2021, new year 2021, unit art, 1 yr anniversary, petit, 2nd outfit, desk calendar 2023, new year goods 2023, nijien 2nd anniversary, nijipuppet goods, nijien store 2nd year anniversary goods, summer holiday merch, unit art vol 3 tshirt, 2nd anniversary, ethyria cooking = 16
>OBSYDIA – 1st step, xmas 2021, new year 2021, unit art, 1 yr anniversary, 2nd outfit, petit, desk calendar 2023, new year goods 2023, nijien 2nd anniversary, nijipuppet goods, 2nd anniversary, nijien store 2nd year anniversary goods, unit art vol 3 tshirt = 14

Reimu (part of the clique) who debuted later and performs worse than Selen, has the same number of individual merch) >>70049220
This is simply favoritism towards the likes of Reimu and other members of the clique.

I swear the inane argument BS feels intentional just to shit up the actual interesting things

>>70051859
>>/vt/thread/S69120347#p69128572
>>/vt/thread/S69120347#p69134176
This tier list, right?

>>70051889
>By your logic only those who are already the most popular should get everything making them even more popular while everyone else don't get shit and have no opportunities.
why would having merch make someone more popular?

>>70051959
Indeed. Thats the one I made where Rosemi's placement was so wrong that Leaker-san felt the need to correct it

>>70051964
You tell me, you're the one who ties popularity and merch together like one should guarantee another.

>>70051889
>By your logic only those who are already the most popular should get everything making them even more popular while everyone else don't get shit and have no opportunities.
Funny you say that because that is exactly how most agencies works.

>>70052025
You mixed causality anon
A cause B doesn't mean B cause A

>>70051889
Why would they make merch that doesn't sell anon? They SHOULD make merch of the most popular livers because that DOES sell. I wonder how much extra Reimu stock they had left over that they had to trash vs Selen and Pomu selling out before my payday comes around to buy it

>>70051889
>Not even Anycolor is that black of a company
you are that retarded anonchama that you need them to actually record a video with liver murder ppl to finally understand they are black company? KEK

>>70051889
>Literally niji MODIS operandi
>somehow it different in one branch
Wow Egypt is really good tourists spot.

>>70051955
Yes, that's a common strategy of NDF. They know they're in the wrong but they continue being dishonest.

>>70051943
Tier list anon is in this same thread it seems so I will let him answer for himself.

>>70051954
Really unfair. They did Obsydia dirty. No wonder Selen left

>>70052016
He did the correction in his 2nd post about her iirc.
In that same post he mentioned he had talked about her in an "original post".
That's the post I'm looking for.

>>70051943
It wasn't a reply. Leaker-san said that "Rosemi being "In Cahoots" is a mischaracterization". Referencing the "In Cahoots" category of the tier list.

It had nothing to do with embezzlement.

>>70052016
I was in that thread, it was something else learning from the leaker that Selen was suspended because she suggested getting a representative.

>>70052037
Most agencies don't bully less popular members just because they're less popular.

>>70052156
see >>70052150
That was post #2, where he said he had stated something in his "original post" about Rosemi.
And in post #3 (where he said he's made 2 posts about her before) he said the first post was about "save me pink girl".
Which means he was the "t.mod" guy right?

>>70052203
>he lacks critical information

>>70052203
>he doesn't know

>>70052150
This was the original tier list I made. This is what Leaker-san was responding to when they said "In Cahoots" was a mischaraacterization. As you can see, its a category on the tier list I made

>>70052203
>he doesn't posses information that is relevant to discussion at hand

>>70051687
man, I didnt realize we talked like, about half a dozen to a dozen times over the last 2 weeks. holy shit anon... Im in the archive looking for the missing link and I keep stumbling over your posts, and me responding to them.
I can now tell who you are (as anon I mean, in threads, not opsec breaking), felt like I should tell you.

>>70051634
remember the day?

>>70052234
>2KB

>>70052234
Ant Anon...

>>70052203
>DYRBI?
>>70052217
>>70052230
>he

>>70047406
In truth, she was predicting the future. Western vtubing is basically being an egirl with an avatar 90% of the time.

>>70052215
Other people asking Rosemi to expose the clique was the ex niji mod
"In Cahoots" being wrong was Leaker-san and the first post Leaker-san made about Rosemi

>>70052217
>>70052230
>>70052246
Damn anons, turns out your solution to the "clique" shit is just bullying everyone who's not popular and turning the branch into popularity contest?

>>70052263
>>70052273
Go to the second Warosu link in this post I made: >>70051959
and open the image.

>>70052330
Free market baybeeeeeeee
Can't bully if the one bullying is the numbers

>>70052331
First redition is the second link and second redition of the tier list is the first link

>>70052234
>>70052323
> when they said "In Cahoots" was a mischaracterization
Anon read through that post/my image again.
In the post where he corrects this, he said he had stated something about Rosemi in his "original post".
Which is what we're looking for, assuming it's not the original "save me pink girl" rrat from the supposed mod.

See pic rel here >>70050776 for the current order of things. If the first post was NOT from the leaker, then we still have a missing link.

>>70052361
Tell that to Cyberlive

>>70052330
Welcome to the real world.
We bully less popular channel all the time by not giving them numbers.

>>70052215
It's weird because the 1st post lines up in a sensible way with the rest but the actual contents of its message reads weirdly given the new leak, I can't really tell if it's the correct reference or not

>>70051809
Lurk the fuck moar

>>70052251
I've been trying to collect everything for a while kek np

>>70051617
The issue is about expectations. Favoritism from corpo higher ups towards those who earn them the most money is expected. Anybody who signs on with a corpo knows this when going in. They have consented to this arrangement.

The strange pattern in merchandise opportunities belie a different kind of favoritism not aligned with profit and instead with whether you're in the in group or the out group, which is the definition of ostracism and bullying.

>>70052420
Sorry, I don't watch whores

>>70052423
Reminder that this is the same people that think we're harassing the organs by unsubbing from them and counting it.

>>70052423
Maybe having a clique of people who look out for one another isn't that bad in such a cold heartless world.

>>70052430
Yeah, which is what sort of breaks the connection between that post and the rest of his posts and leans the whole thing into larp territory.
I wish I was live during the Q&A I could've asked him directly...

>>70052330
That's a nonsensical hypothetical situation.
The real situation is, the clique had favoritism and were bullying Selen. She was deprived of merch opportunities in favor of the clique. A meritocracy would have been better and more reasonable than giving someone like Reimu more merch than Selen.
If you consider the fact that Selen debuted first, the merch distribution makes even less sense.

I made the post about Rosemi, and about being a mod, back when I didn't know how to approach disseminating information without incriminating myself.
In hindsight, it was amateurish, since as anonymous users have since pointed out, a moderator wouldn't have been able to become privy to such information readily.


Please don't ever assert I might be Shu, even in jest. I might reflexively vomit by accident.

>>70052463
Oh hey, you just described a company

Its absolutely amazing watching you all fall for this larp when you would know its a larp instantly if you actually ever watched any of their streams.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RruVzWCy6xM selen telling a wholesome story about meeting her manager in person in japan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ACoVoYjY2k pomu, enna and selen interacting with management live on stream, pomu is hours late to a meeting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH8dyIVlvIg selen talking about how she much she loved her previous manager that got a promotion
These are all real people, real managers they have and they are in contact with. Anyone saying otherwise is larping.

Reimu is /here/ >>70050419 justifying why she deserved to have more merch than Selen just because she's part of the clique

>>70052528
oh cool I have a video too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67DAc2egFmw

>>70052440
So what you're saying is they've subverted the expectations and risen up against the evil corporation that only cares about numbers? That sounds kinda based.

>>70052528
>if you actually ever watched any of their streams.
>link clippers
timestamp the original streams, fags
OH WAIT YOU CAN'T

>>70052528
You already got BTFO'd earlier but you mindlessly repost same shit? Fuck off sister.

>>70050580
So, did Doki ghost that guy?

>>70052430
>>70052505
Oh, and also that post was made before the black screen video, and talks about the "Enna clique".
If it was really an insider, they would've said it was Elira's clique.

>>70052550
That's true, it's me, Reimu Endou. I hope you fapped to my back today.

>>70052528
>the manager got promotion at the start of 2023
>decline of NijiEN also started on 2023
the timeline
it all fits

>>70052590
They're literally collabing on tuesday.

>>70052596
Completely missed that because of the E-names, good point

>>70052513
Aww... I thought Shu was kinda funny

>>70052404
NTA, but look at this:
>>/vt/thread/69014403#p69023271
This was the leaker's ''third and last post I am going to make in the matter'' (obviously ended not being the last referring to the GURRAT), and since it was posted in February 14th, I don't think that the date of February 9th fits within the timeline of messages delivered by the leaker.

>>70051617
Are you going to argue that getting a pay raise or a bonus or a promotion opportunity for good work is a boss showing favoritism?
When you do well, you get stuff. That's how a meritocracy works.

>>70052521
And here I thought you guys think that the clique is a bad thing. Turns out it's more like a worker's union.

>>70052681
and just like worker union, it's good if it actually includes all worker

>>70052528
>thrash talking your managers on the public platform that is your workplace
Anon, are you fucking retarded, not even retail workers and farmers get away with shitting on the boss in public - while at work. Unless the boss is your bitch.

>>70052513
I would also vomit if you were Shu

>>70052681
Exactly!
Now let me refer you to 101 reasons on how Worker Union can go wrong and how this related to the clique

>>70052528
> Oct 2022 : Meets manager
> Dec 2022 : "Promoted"
Seems like cover for the managers that went to shill NFT.
And this was the time XSoleil debuted and got a 2 week old manager.

>>70051889
>post hoc ergo propter hoc

Companies release merchandise featuring popular talents to facilitate sale of said merchandise.
Unpopular members do not sell merchandise and they do not get more popular as a result of the merchandise.


Inversely, unpopular members are better served participating in collaborations, more robust streaming schedules, and internal promotions in which popular members lift them up.

>>70052596
Well this depends on what they wanted to confirm. Changing the name might not've been important then since it's the same clique in the end, and people were focused on Enna, not Elira.

>>70052513
So these anons >>70050634 >>70050678 were right then?
Why use "Enna clique" at the time then? You knew who was the actual suspected leader /here/ was even back then.

>>70052669
Actually the "bonus" system is how most companies bully people who don't lick the management's assholes. Most job opportunities in retail for example list extremely low base wage but promise incredibly high actual payment numbers - only if you basically work for three people at once. If you don't slave away for them you don't get shit and the penalty system is so harsh your bonus might disappear over one or two mistakes. So yeah, I know you mean "get a bonus for a well done project" kind of bonus but in most cases this is basically a black company practice. Free market.
Anyway do Japanese corporations know what "meritokurashi" is?

>>70052765
Yeah, if we got thrown an "Elira is actually the clique leader" or "Elira clique" we would have dismissed them as a larper or been like "Enna and Elira are leaders of 2 different cliques?"

>>70052806
Are we sure Elira even is the leader? She makes the most sense but it's entirely possible she's not. It could be someone behind the scenes like a manager or something. Elira not being on top in the first place means it wouldn't matter which one they used.

>>70052513
Can I move Shu up in the tier list as being in the same tier as Enna or Vox?

>>70052565
What kind of dismissal is this? The members are right there talking about their managers and interacting with them like they are real fucking people you delusional. Here is fucking Pomu talking all about how her manager is the best because he bought her tickets while he was at home with COVID.
https://youtu.be/FnM1gwH8nPo?t=2002

>>70052813
If you need to lick the management's assholes to get bonus, then it isn't actually free no more, no?

>>70052659
If it wasn't the Feb 9 post, then we are still missing the "original" post where they mentioned Rosemi and the "save me pink girl" rrat.
this >>70052513 is probably a larper, because the original anon was careful not to imply who he was one way or another

>>70052813
Yeah, shit like that absolutely happens in a free market, and is one of the flaws of the system. However, that isn't the norm outside of really shitty meat grinder jobs (like retail) with high turnover rates anyway.

>>70052710
That isn't the point anon. The point is the members have managers that exist, that they interact with regularly, that they have meetings with. All this nonsense about nobody else having contact with Japan and it all going through some clique is a complete fabrication ignoring reality.

>>70052852
nah anon
I'm just saying you don't get to call anyone to watch stream when you actually link a fucking clippers

>>70052852
Just because Pomu had a manager, doesn't dismiss the clique.
Zaion had a nre trainee manager who had his "manager" (liaison) there with him.
Other talents could also have managers but it doesn't really matter if the managers are actually working under or with Elira since she knows more about streaming and portrays herself as "helpful"

>>70052765
>>70052819
Simply mentioning "clique" would've been fine without naming anyone then.
The "leaker" changed from Enna to Elira according to public information changing after the black screen post, so it was very likely an elaborate larp.

>>70052917
>All this nonsense about nobody else having contact with Japan and it all going through some clique is a complete fabrication ignoring reality.
>he doesn't actually follow the discussion
update your m.o. already sis
no one calling the manager doesn't exist

>>70052917
Yes. We know they have managers. We also know they fucking suck ass and don't do their jobs, forcing the talent, who already takes care of stream planning, scheduling, thumbnails, and in Selen's case perms, to take on even MORE roles that the managers should be doing. That's the whole fucking point of the gurrat.

>>70052819
personally I don't think it matters if she's the de facto leader or not, the bad actors are visible and their relative power scale doesn't really affect the puzzle pieces putting everything together

>>70052859
It's free as in "you're free to fuck off if you don't work thrice as hard as I do because I was here first and already got my mouth full of management's shit". Almost like in vtubing.
>>70052905
Sadly it's exactly those jobs that have people lining up for them so they have zero problems letting people go.

>>70043862
No shit, she's a ghost

>>70052846
get back to the correction room Elira

>>70052992
>already got my mouth full of management's shit
this means that is NOT free market

>>70052917
Anon, your reading comprehension reps...

>>70052934
There's also the thing Leaker-san posted about it actually being better to go through Elira clique than the assigned managers because otherwise you get conflicting information on slack.

You either choose to be at the mercy of a language barrier and management that doesn't care enough to be coherent or to be at the mercy of the clique

>>70052929
I know those things happened because I watched the streams. It's much more convenient to link than going back looking for the specific moment that it happened.

>>70052900
That is definitely a larper, his posting style isn't as clean as the leaker. I found the leaker's first post too:
>>/vt/thread/68996770#p69003358
Still haven't found the second.

>>70052846
It was I.

>>70052806
I implicated the clique being centered around Enna, because the board has been largely correct about the clique for years now, with the only caveat being they attributed the crown to Enna.
In several other posts, that never got much attention, I had tried to massage the conversation, about who it was that hired Enna, and whose idea it was to create Hanamori, and whose idea it was to move to the same city and rent an apartment together, and so on.
Anons were positively tunnel-visioned to Enna being the ring-leader, given she's always been the most outwardly crass, unapologetic, and sociopathic, so to speak.
I achieved my goal, even if it wasn't in the neatest or prettiest way.


In hindsight, it is good that my posts were effectively lost in a sea of other anonymous posts. I was very amateurish, and did not deliberate on my posts back then.

>>70052992
Free Market™ means that the Market™ is the one deciding shit
The Management™ is not The Market™
Therefore, if The Management™ ignoring market and decide shit, then it's not Free Market™

>>70053065 (me)
Between the first and third posts there is a gap of a little more than three hours.

>>70053065
>Things should become clear within the next couple of weeks

Its been a couple of weeks and things are not yet clear! Leaker-san you liar!

>>70053064
sure anon
I'm sure you didn't just search the clips and post one that stand out

>>70052934
Everyone has a manager. They literally all regularly talk about interacting with their managers. They talk about the meetings they have with them and the kinds of things they talk about, they relate funny stories that happened with them on discord and all sorts. You really have to not watch them at all to buy into this shit.

>>70053178
notice how this post has nothing on manager's incompetence

>>70053178
You need to be 18 to use this site, little one.

>>70053178
The leaker confirmed there are managers, sister. But he said they are incompetent ESLs and nothing ever gets done. They instead pass you around and give you different directions.
So people effectively lean on Elira as their actual manager.

>>70053178
>still think the rray is about the manager literally not existing

>>70053136
If the Reimu ''there was an attempt in my tiny ass pot'' tweet was made in response to Selen, then we now know that she is also implicated. Also the leaker mentioned that Reimu was given a private chat along with Elira, Enna and Millie, which is another lead to confirming Reimu's involvement in the harassment.

>>70053217
Some of them are definitely better than others at getting shit done, but it seems like the talents often don't blame them for not being able to get shit done. See how Pomu talks about how great her manager is here
>>70052852
Despite her projects often running into issues and so on? The main issue wasn't their direct managers when it came to stuff like that but higher up people and other staff who have to sign off on stuff and tell the managers its ok.

>>70053105
if youre real, you should know who LK is right? If anons can figure that out, you must know.

>>70053280
>See how Pomu talks about how great her manager is here
notice how pomu doesn't mention a lick about their competency
only as a person

>>70053280
>confirmed not watching streams
kek
so you only get the timestamps from the clip without watching it, huh?

>>70053307
If you had an awful manager that was never getting shit done I doubt you would be calling them the GOAT, you really have to be doing some extreme mental gymnastics not to realise its not them but the people above them

>>70053307
good point, could be ass-kissing while skirting around the uncomfortable truths, we know she is not the confrontational type.

>>70053300
LIU KANG MY MAIN!!

>>70053338
There is no clip of that Pomu moment I know of. Hence why I went to the source because I remember her talking about it.

>>70053350
>If you had an awful manager that was never getting shit done I doubt you would be calling them the GOAT
You never had an office work, huh?

>>70053300
Little Kyo, the fragment of Kyo Kaneko which detached from real Kyo when he decided to transform into Big Kyo.

>>70053300
Even if they are real, we shouldn't out LK because the clique might not know yet given how retarded they are

>>70053300
Lee Kerr

>>70053300
motherfuckers, I know Lil' Khyo is behind all of this

>>70047531
only Zen showed support *publicly* and we've no idea what goes on behind the scenes.

>>70053515
Ace Attorney ass name.

>>70053232
Yes that makes a lot of sense. Elira who is streaming 8hrs-10hrs a day while other people end their streams for meetings with their managers and shit is being their actual manager. They would chose Elira and only Elira, to do that job for them and not one of the people who are much better at Japanese than her like Petra or Shu, Petra even lives in Japan and could actually go to office for them and speak to them in person. Elira barely even did her own offline work let alone helping others with theirs.

Since the thread is expiring, let me ad some additional information based on our last exchange.

Uki's soft suspension might be ending considerably sooner than you expect. His demeanor changed abruptly.
Elira is preparing to come back to streaming, as I'd mentioned. It should happen earlier than you thought. It will be a collaboration. They are deliberating early March. They are moving away from the initial decision for it to be a membership stream.
Vox, likewise. Expect a stream on his channel shortly after Elira's return stream.
Finana was asking for tips with regard to diversifying her content. She appeared unhappy. It's likely she is going to try new things going forward.

>>70045239
yes, that's it. this board is full of feefails who exaggerate all minor shit

>>70043260
It's always this type of pattern.

>>70053593
>he still lacks information about the whole rrat
kek
keep beating the scarecrow, it's funny

>>70053633
>Finana is going to try new things
lmao no she isn't. HI3 is dropping the Part 2 update soon, and she was a featured CC on the preview stream. She's gonna be glued to that shit for the entirety of March and possibly most of April.