/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>70118146
>カ = ka
>力 = chikara
Why nipponese people???

>>70118146
Etymological studies might clear it up, but it's such a sponge of a language. It's best not to ask.

"English isn't a language. It's three languages stacked on top of each other wearing a trench coat"

even native speakers have problems with grammar and pronunciation and sometimes they don't even understand people who live 4 miles away
English makes no sense and there's a reason why they can't think, you can't have smart thoughts in English, too verb-oriented
great philosophers and geniuses think in German, French, and even Spanish

>>70118146
Why are there 50 fucking counting systems in japanese?

>>70118883
Technically chikara is written bigger
Also the main issue Japanese has with written idiosyncrasies is that it mainly started out as a spoken language and then yoinked kanji wholesale from China.

>>70119275
What you are probably thinking of is the 'counter', but English has exactly the same thing. Maybe worse.
>A murder of crows
>A parliament of owls
>Ten heads of cows
>Twelve loaves of bread
>Three slices of cake

>>70119556
no, more like why is it different when you're counting rabbits than counting time than counting dogs than counting pencils? Each one has its own set of words.

>>70119556
I told you why "a murder of crows" is a bad comparison in another thread.
Loaves and slices are useful to differentiate... loaves from slices. If you ask for three breads do you want three slices or three loaves?

>>70118146
to have had to

>>70118146
i thought this shit was so cute. i love to see cute girls trying hard

>>70119765
Wait til she finds about the had had sentence.
For those out of the loop, here's the sentence. It's grammatically correct, but it's missing punctuation.
"James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher"

>>70119823
that's pretty cool but did you know that Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo?

>inflammable = flammable
unbaribabo...

>>70119285
all languages started as spoken language

>>70119614
Isn't that what the above is covering? You count time in seconds, you count things like chalk as sticks of chalk.
And frankly speaking, in practice they aren't particular, same as people won't sperge out if you say 'twenty cows' instead of 'twenty heads of cattle'. You can count rabbits as hiki instead of wa and no one will bat an eye.
Incidentally the story for why rabbits are counted as such is supposed to be that Japanese buddhist monks who were forbidden from eating meat not from birds, liked the taste of rabbits so much that they said 'fuck it' and reclassified them as birds.

>>70119285
>Also the main issue Japanese has with written idiosyncrasies is that it mainly started out as a spoken language and then yoinked kanji wholesale from China.
This cope doesn't make sense because Zhuang stole Sawndip, Korea stole Hanja and Vietnam stole Chu Nom but only Japanese tries to be really retarded.

>>70119823
I can't even tell what intonation each of those hads are supposed to have

>>70119285
>then yoinked kanji wholesale from China.
More like China brought it to them.

>>70120401
Yeah, that's the point. It's missing punctuation to purposefully highlight the importance of punctuation.

>Wild = waheeld
>Wilderness =weeldehrnehss

Y ENGLISH PEEPO

>>70118146
>garnish your salad = add something to it
>garnish your wages = take something away from it
ENGLISH PEOPLE

>>70119823
i have absolutely no idea what it means

>>70120212
'inflammable' is the proper word but too many uneducated people thought that it means 'nonflammable'

>>70118146
WHY IS JAPANESE SO HARD TO LEARN

FUCK

>>70120809
it really isn’t
most logical language there is

>>70119745
Loaves and slices are part of the counters that people often bring up to pad the number of counters that Japanese has, though
For example when Dio says おまえは今まで食ったパンの枚数を覚えているのか he's actually referring to slices of bread, hence 枚
If he was referring to loaves of bread he would use 斤

>buoy = boo-ee
>buoyancy = boy-an-see
WHY AMERIKAJIN

>>70119823
You lost me at the fourth "had".

>>70118146
Whomst'ven't.

>>70118146
stares niggardly

>>70119823
>James, while John had had "had", had had "had had"; "had had" had had a better effect on the teacher.
Remembered how to do it without looking it up. The retarded part is figuring out that it's talking about the word "had".

>>70120264
Seconds, sticks, etc. isn't an entirely separate counting system. It's a unit of measurement, but the number itself stays the same. It's one gallon, two bushels, three horsepower, whatever. As opposed to "two" in japanese which can be hitori, nii, etc. depending on what exactly you're counting. Also for some reason rabbits are birds when it comes to counting.
>>70120401
>>70120908
Here's the answer if you want it.
James, while John had had "had", had had "had had." "Had had" had had a better effect on the teacher.
If you want a full explanation, you can google the "had had puzzle."
Picrel is another fun english quirk.

>>70118146
Chloe should pander to foreigners more. I would watch her if she did.

>>70121368
it is absolutely amazing how language can exist yet there will always be rules to make sure that grammar doesnt get fucked up.

>>70118146
>ame = rain
>ame = candy
>nan = what
>nan = very
>hashi = bridge
>hashi = chopsticks
WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE!??

ingenious

Reminder Japanese people literally don't have a word for feet

>>70121368
>green great dragons can't exist
but they can if there is a group of great dragons where some are green.
Great green dragon and green great dragon would refer to two different kind of beasts.

Bad example

>>70121714
You know the difference between read and read and you probably read this sentence using both.

ghoti = fish

>>70121838
In that case great would be considered part of the noun Great Dragons

>>70119275
>>70119556
4cham is retarded when it comes to what number systems mean when talking about other countries apparently. one guy in another thread though France unironically used base 12

>>70121838
No because in this case it's actually changing what the adjectives are, using "great dragon" as the noun for the creature, rather than simply "dragon" as great isn't referring to size anymore.

>>70119219
Nice bait

>>70121714
Funny thing about bridges in Japan is that in English, they use the romaji name of the bridge, and add "bridge" behind it.
So 水道橋 in English is Suidoubashi Bridge, meaning Waterway Bridge Bridge. Just like ATM machines.

Bonus: 橋橋 Bridge = Hashibashi Bridge = Bridge Bridge Bridge

>>70122445
That's like how loads of rivers when translated are just River River

>>70118146
Uh oh orca, you're spending time in the shower that you could be studying eigo. Better shower less, and let me sniff you.

>>70121761
wtf
we need to fix this travesty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaXYas58_kc
English is pretty fucked up in ways that you aren't even aware of as a native speaker.

>>70118146
>"Kazumi, our ranguage isa toooo difficurut to reado. Za wordsu brend into eechi uder"
>"I knorwu whatto to do, Ichijo. Rets mayku a sekundo aruphabetto and switcho bituween dem atto randomu"

>>70121761
足

>>70122001
Counting by score is still dumb.

>>70122445
>Just like ATM machines.
I hate this is a thing and I hate even more that I'm guilty of it.

>>70125034
Now say it out loud and tell me the difference between that and leg.

>>70125264
This just hit me: France tried to decimalize their clocks and calendars during the revolution, while still counting in vigesimal.

>>70119556
>>70119614
>>70119745

>tubes of toothpaste
>ears of corn
>reams of paper
examples of measure words in English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_word
vs classifiers used in east asian languages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classifier_(linguistics)
similar but distinct

>>70125629
a-shi vs ayh-shi
say they're there their
sound different right?

>>70119823
Or the buffalo sentence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo

>>70125831
cope

>>70125802
Measure words convey information.
Japanese counters are just autistic.

>>70125802
A pint of water
2 pints of water
vs
twenty ENTIRELY NEW COUNTING SYSTEMS WITH THEIR OWN NUMBERS.


Yes they're similar in that they both have numbers, but how is it hard to tell the issue here?

>>70126022
2 pints of water is a quart

trying to learn japanese made me realize that english makes no sense and is full of totally arbitrary rules and pronunciations and english slang is literally the devil for ESLs

>>70126063
>I'll have two pints please
>I'll have a quart divided equally please

>>70122445
that reminds me of bridgestone
which is actually just ishi bashi but translated to english to sound cool

>>70126063
yes but you can just as easily say 2 pints of water and be grammatically correct. It's a unit of measurement. You could also say 0.95 liters. or 946 grams. It's not the same as pencils requiring an entirely new numbering system from kites.

>>70125889


The way they slapped chinese systems onto some and kept their own system for others is awkward, sure.
But that's like complaining the word "is" doesn't convey information.
>>70126022
Japanese nouns don't have singular/plural at all.
水一杯 水二杯 or literally water 1 cup water 2 cup. You need the counter to specify what that number is referring to, just like you need the "loaves of" or "slices of" to differentiate how much bread you want.

There is a logic to it, albeit a very autistic one.
also did you mean 1 pint or did you want to go for a pint later?

>>70118146
sexo

>>70126063
Shut the fuck up imperial unit using subhuman.

>>70126230
>But that's like complaining the word "is" doesn't convey information.
No, I'm complaining that apple has a counter that describes a property that is already evident through knowledge of apples. Two bottles of water being 2本 is fine because "two waters" makes little sense.

The only niche scenarios I can imagine where that would be useful are:
1. Deciphering a historical text where the object is unclear and the counter word provides insight
2. You are a foreign speaker who somehow knows all the counter words and can use it to guess what the other person is talking about (unlikely as most people are more familiar with nouns)

>>70126230
ok that's fair. I concede.

>>70121368
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>70126437
Not to mention these properties that determine the counter words are often overlapping and subjective, or completely arbitrary.

>>70126437
You're trying to think about a foreign language in English and expecting it to make any sense.
also, you can just say "two apples" in Japanese (and most people do) リンゴ二つください "two apples please" They're not specific to apples, its for type of thing. There are only 10-20 that you will ever use in 95% of life.

Now, imagine you are ESL and you say "two bottles of toothpaste please" and the walmart clerk snickers at you because you didn't use the specific TUBE counter word. And wait, some of your nouns aren't countable? and you have you memorize a specific helper word for each type of uncountable noun? fucking peasant

>>70126623
Those "specific" counter words almost always convey further information, are intuitive, and almost never totally specific. If you come at me with the fucking owls again I'm going to rape you. Those are poetic instruments.

>>70126704
Rabbits. Are. Birds.

RとLはマジで聞き取れない
でも「らりるれろ」はRだから、Lは地球上から抹消すべき

>>70118146
Honestly that's not even bad, the thing that pisses me off about english are pronunciations
cat /kæt/;
car /kɑːr/
WHY

>>70126704
>intuitive
>almost never totally specific
>convey further information
oh, like asian counter words? They're largely shape based, help quickly and efficiently confirm what you're talking about (like when counting many things), and other than people and dates as the big unique ones the vast majority of counters are general.
keep in mind this is a 5000 year old chinese system tacked onto a different language, so lol its weird sometimes but it's not that fucking complex anon
picrel is honestly 99% of what you will ever use in japanese. つ for really small things or for "other/general", 個 for general things/items(packs, sets), 本 for cylindrical things, 枚 for flat things like paper, and then small animals (pets), horses (work), and birds/wild game (hunt), then books, machines/equipment/big stuff, minutes, money, people, cans, music, and pieces

15 words to cover 90% of the shit you interact with, and you can always just says つ or 個 for the other 10%

weird, sorta if you think about it in english. difficult or extremely bizzare? no

>>70120804
Use of "inflammable" in the "inflame" sense is being phased out of use because of this. Your children will never learn "inflammable" even if they are educated.

>>70126940
Its because English is a bastard child of Saxon (Very old German), Old Norse (Scandinavian) and French influences over the course of history.

The real enemy is Chinese. This is a poem, a very famous poem, that I was forced to learn in uni Chinese class.

literally every single fucking character is pronounced shi
listen to this shit, it sounds like a malfunctioning TTS
>ancient chinese culture very advanced
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vExjnn_3ep4

>>70127251
wow, I think that poem is exactly what Elira said when she saw selen's document.

I also autistically reee about Japanese counters, but let's be real, the REAL "what the absolute fuck are you doing Japan" thing ever is fucking katakana
ソツンシノ
What is this? Japan what is this?? Who the fuck had a stroke halfway through designing this alphabet and forgot how to make any other shape than variations on the same diagonal line?? I hate this garbage more than kanji

>>70127352

>>70127491
legitimate complaint. it was originally a shorthand derived from kanji to help buddhist monks transliterate fanfiction from india in the 800s. They literally just took part of a kanji that sounds like ka, and used that for the ka sound.
it's literally just left over weeb buffalax from 1200 years ago

>>70127491
it’s literally just radicals

>>70118146
i see the orca, i sniff the orca

>>70127491
so and tsu stroke is from top to bottom
shi and no stroke is from bottom to top
hope this helps

>>70127491
honestly
ツ and ソ are EZ mode cause no one ever uses these
what's FUCKED is their bastardization of the english language with katakana
half the time you can't even be sure if it's english or like, spanish

>>70128140
>bastardisation of the english language
english is a bastardisation of german, french and norse

>>70121909
It is such a meme that it has its own yugioh archetype.
https://yugioh.fandom.com/wiki/Ghoti

>>70128227
yea and I'm still mad about that as is

>>70127939
Interesting, I didn't know the history. I can see why they picked a lot of the kanji they did, too. Still garbage tho lmao.
>>70127994
And yet out of the 200+ radicals used in Japanese, they still managed to pick 5 different variations of the same shit.
>>70128071
Ah, I appreciate the thought lol, but I know them already, I learned them long ago. I just complain about them because it was legitimately the stupidest part of learning Japanese for me and I will stand by my opinion that it is garbage and trash and garbage.

>>70128328
I wonder if they specifically did it to make learning it harder
Kinda like how a lot of European languages have retarded arbitrary grammar rules so that only the nobility could learn it

>>70118146
I'LL FUCK THE ENGLISH INTO YOU MY SEXY PON ORCA

The Japanese structure for "must happen" is even stupider though

>>70128402
I mean, hiragana was seen as the inferior scribblings of the illiterate and thus mostly used by women originally (because they weren't allowed to learn to read). The word 女手 is "women's writing", but also picrel kek

>>70127016
>oh, like asian counter words? They're largely shape based,
Nope, not like that at all.
The counter for cylinders uses the word for books, to mention an obvious one. It's impossible to argue against your blind bias.

>>70128684
なければなりません = must lol
>>70129081
oh no, an exception! scrap the whole fucking project johnson, we can't have a language without logical consistency!
本 is not the "word" for book, nor is it a word. Does 日本 (Japan) mean sun book? That's fundamentally not how Kanji work. "book" has over a dozen meanings depending on whether you mean the noun, adjective, or verb forms.

>>70129081
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo i leave you with this to ponder

>>70129081
Oh that one makes sense though, since books used to be scrolls
Just like people still say 'ride the bus' even though it's not a horse

>>70129081
RABBITS. ARE. BIRDS.

>>70120763
John wrote "had". James wrote "had had". The techer thinks James wrote better than John.

>>70127251
Wasn't this poem just made by a contrarian that didn't want chinese to switch to an phonetical alphabet, just to go "um akshually you can't use a phonetical alphabet for chinese" despite the fact that even chinese can't understand this poem when it's spoken to them?

>>70118146
>tell her that every "C" in the "Pacific Ocean" is spelt differently
>while her brain is overloaded with silliness of English people and is distracted, grope her breasts

>>70130120
Pasifik Oushn
There
De-retardified your english

>>70130211
That's how it should be desu

>>70130813
Dats hau it shud bee tu bee onest

"Police police police police" is a sentence

>>70118146
It's a language with actual syntax logic and sentence structure where the order of words matters, not like your primitive bushmen language

>>70131479
Stop larping, Miguel

>>70119556
It's not, it doesn't affect the counting, it's actually nothing like in Japanese. You still count them as "one, two, three, etc", what you're naming here are the nouns themselves idiot. It doesn't change what the number is called

>>70131574
>first
>second
>third
>fourth
>fifth

>>70131677
That's not specific to english, that's a thing of indo-european languages to denote an order. It has nothing to do with counting.
What exactly is this supposed to say?