/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Beggars back on the menu huh

>>70387192
Ogey

No. I disagree.

>>70387192
Yes, but nobody actually watches idols for quality music.

anti male retards are so easy to bait
freest (You)s on any board

>>70387192
kys faggot

>>70387380
valid point

>>70387380
People watch Hololive in large part due to their music (including me). If you wanted vtubers that don't sing and dance there's mountains of them

>>70387192
They hated him because he spoke the truth.

>>70387269
don't need to beg for it when it's already happening

>>70387380
I do.

>>70387192
Japanese is such a dumb language, I hate that there are multiple songs that use Venus in it because every time because of their language it sounds like they're just screaming "PENIS" the worst example is definitely this one
https://youtu.be/-PPay9D1CSQ?t=67

>>70387192
Yes that's literally why the Cinema performance was the best during last year's countdown, if only we had something similar this year but instead we got management forcing dumb pairing with sideshits instead of putting them in their own part which made no sense. For example the Pekora and Gura just because "muh popular blue holo" despite them having zero not forced interaction. Suisei literally saved the countdown twice with Cinema and Hosimatic.

>>70388168
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfEIharoOH0
>My my my PENIS, fly fly fy

>>70387192
>ever watching faggots on stage

>>70388448
At this point I think Suisei dances badly out of spite because they keep making her do it

>>70387269
Thanks to bae

>>70388168
Haha, cat says penis.

>better sounding and more complex songs
Even if that were true, that's not what I'm here for.

>>70389456
>watches idols
>doesn't like idols
seriously, find a better use of your time

>>70387192
yea so true sis

>>70387561
>Hololive
most of them cant sing or dance for shit
but for idol, it's the effort that counts. and anon specified idol, not vtuber

>>70387192
As a fan of JAM Project, I agree.

>>70387192
>one gender is usually drawn to the opposite's
ok women, no one cares

>>70387192
Only if the female members are extremely openly and unapologetically lesbian.

>>70387192
>mixed sex group
>two voice types

>>70387380
That nobody? Me.

>>70387192
Can't tell, didn't watch.

What is up with all these sister/beggar threads being spammed lately. Did one of the homo signal that they were graduating soon or something?

>>70389872
>most of them cant sing or dance for shit
Oh fuck off, at least 75% of them are good at the actual idol shit, and the rest make the others look better in comparison

>>70387192
You're not wrong but the annihilation of all Holostars would be worth having slightly worse music on some types of songs.

>>70387561
Their music is mostly shit but sometimes they pull out fantastic producers such as KIRA (he made a few songs for Kiara) and it's absolute kino.

The thing with groups, no matter if mixed or not, you need creative chemistry to make it work which is impossible when your gen is an idol group, picked by Yagoo through auditions. They rarely even work as a streamer group; making music is considerably harder, so they have better chances doing music with people outside of their company. For another example, Calli made some great tracks with her friends from PL.

>>70387192
It's not always true, but it was definitely true of that song. ...and Towa can't be everywhere, all-the-time.

>>70390254
>idol
>good at singing and dancing
choose one

>>70390427
Hololive orisongs are at least as good if not better than other jpop. The dancing is serviceable but there's also mocap limitations invovled

>>70387192
Just include Towa

>>70390051
>mori
opinion discarded

>>70387192
There are very few famous groups with both male and female main singers

>>70390404
Yeah, I keep her very busy

>Oshi passed by a male

OMFG THAT FUCKING WHORE HIS BIG DICK MUST'VE WREAKED THAT TIGHT ASS AND SHE LOVED IT HOW DARE SHE REEEEE FAP FAP FAP FAP

T. Unicorn

>>70387192
No

>>70387192
The height difference is so hot here. Imagine that rat squished between those two men as they do what they want with her.

>>70390221
No, the sisters were always cancer. What happens is that they are cowards, they were hiding waiting for opportunity.

>>70387192
Some of my favorite songs from an all-girl-vocalist group feature male vocal guess, you might be right

>>70387192
can you stop shitposting with my oshi please?

>>70391416
Cuck

>>70391091
She has the most popular song in the entire company by a very large margin. That she also wrote and animated, btw.

>>70387192
Its a shame we only get one of these a year.

>>70387269
How can you beg for something that's being delivered?

>>70390221
Nijiinigs falseflagging trying to get threads to shit on Stars because they’re butthurt that their own EN branch is collapsing
Retards falling for it

>>70391506
Bae is also my oshi and I stand behind her collab choices

>>70387380
true

>>70391602
It's Bae, she's been doing this for years. You're not getting anything you haven't already. Get Fauna to collab with a star, that would be interesting

>>70387192
>It's too high pitch otherwise
The work around is to get women with low pitch voices.

>>70387561
Music isn't their primary product and many holomems wouldn't hold a candle to industry professionals. Their music is meaningful because we know plenty about the person who made it. People seek out this music because they like the person singing.

>>70387192
Can the males stand on their own feet instead of being carried by females?

>>70391885
Japanese people consider this to be very unattractive and virtually all women are trying to pitch themselves up rather than the opposite

>>70391989
>Music isn't their primary product
Then what is?

>>70387192
This is better rather than gura for not streaming since forever

>>70391989
>Hololive literally being an IDOL company
>Music isn't the first point
Anon here has too much horn and too little brain.

>>70392800
The number one most important part of idol culture is that you don't associate with men. Music is a secondary or a tertiary concern.

Do you have any other "proof" of this than Bae related beggar bait?

>>70387561
You're not here for professional quality. You're just here for the spectacle.

I don't watch Hololive for music. In fact 99,9% of music I listen is not Vtuber music.

>>70392841
No, it's that they don't fuck them. IRL idols collab with male celebrities and coworkers all the time. Only you schizos think that appearing on stream together is equivalent to fucking

>>70393057
Why are you seething? Hololive members appear on stream with males all the time.

>>70393147
That's my point, though? They're not any less idols for doing so

>>70391082
leave purple woman alone >:(

>>70393323
So, why are you seething? You want male collabs, you get male collabs. Stop acting like a fucking retard and be happy.

At this point bae should just fuck these stars on stage during the concert. It would make her stance clear to whatever delusional unicorns remain, be hot af, and actually entertaining unlike her mediocre music. It would also raise the question for everyone who's collabed with the stars in the past, BTFO'ing all unicorns who watch hololive. It's time to put the unicucks in their place, for good. It's time to cleanse them from the fanbase.

>>70387192
>you have to let Holo EN be destroyed by gender mixing because men have lower singing voices
>never mind the fact that Kronii, Mori, and Nerissa have lower voices than most of the Homos so my internal logic doesn't make sense anyway
>NIJIFICATION LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOO
The Holo EN audience despises the Homos and they'll never be accepted. Unicorns won. Bae shot herself in the foot yet again. Seethe forever, cuckstain.

>>70393732
>be hot af, and actually entertaining unlike her mediocre music
There you go. The actual thoughts of homobeggars. Hololive girls are nothing but accessories for Homostars to fuck and make money to pay the whole existence of every and each male in Hololive productions. Mask off, good job.

>>70393496
Because of retards like these:
>>70393732
>>70394014
>>70394127

>>70387192
PENUS ONEGAI

>>70393732
>>70394127
You’re not making your discord raid look very convincing

>>70394544
That makes no sense. Enjoy all the male collabs you get and stop acting like a fucking schizo.

>>70394722
It makes no sense to be sick of constant threadshitting anytime you discuss a holo that has spoken to a man (most of them at this point)?

>>70394862
It makes zero sense. You are making your whole identity to be about shitposters in /vt/ and not the actual Vtubers. So congratulations, you have become one of the schizos you hate.

>>70395068
projecting much? responding to one thread does not define my identity

>>70393732
NDF homobeggar cucks, try harder please.

>>70390221
>Did one of the homo signal that they were graduating soon or something?
Blue homo hinting he gonna stream more with his other acc soon. He want to pull a magni, star account for obligation while indie he can stream with his actual friend.

Wrong. Females should not be allowed to sing. They’re too self-centered to properly contribute to a well-forged harmony.

>>70396028
Nta
>responding to one thread
>one thread
AHAHAHAHAHA, congrat you became the schizo you hated by entertaining them with timeloop.

>>70397696
Nta but wouldn't NDF despises Holostars? Most of EN ones are friends with dokibird

>>70403559
Niji fanbase isn't full of delusional unicorns

>>70408890
Yeah, they’re just full of cover antis who want every part of the company to fail

>>70408890
This actually makes no sense.

>>70409208
Unlike Holofans who just love Nijisanji, right?

>>70393732
Roberu should let Bae watch as he bangs one of the Holos whose number he got during practice for recording her concert

>>70409583
Difference is, one company is run by genuinely shitty people and mistreats their talents, some of whom are also shitty people
The other company is cover

>>70388572
she said she did not practiced with them but alone until the recording.

>>70408890
Oh yeah let's forget about them ripping on the Nijigirls for collabing with the men. Both you and them are two sides of the same coin.

>>70409797

>>70387561
>I'm a fan of the males and their music, unichud!

>>70410028
If you got that from "I love Hololive music" then I recommend drinking several bottles of vodka and driving your car straight into the ocean with the doors locked, you lobotomized drone

>>70387192
agree. low pitch with high pitch is better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEotRC_1rqU&t=2195s

>>70410016
Holy kek you’re really trying this one, without context and everything, when it was entirely her choice to do this
lmk when she gets bullied so hard that she attempts suicide twice then gets terminated and slandered by the company

>>70388090
Enough about Jesus, op should burn

>>70387561
lol no they don't. plenty of their music lags in views outside of the top hitters like suisei.

>>70410016
>company lent money/payroll advance so talent could do his personal project.

how it is bad?

>>70410471
To be fair plenty of their music is just covers.

>>70392226
japanese are actually retarded. Deep voiced sexy women singing is a treasure.

>>70392584
The viewer is the product. The customers are the advertisers.

>>70410269
How's Mel doing these days? You know, the one that Cover staff harassed?

>>70410818
lol wut? Hololive makes nearly no money from ads relative to all their other income streams. Their financial reports are public

>>70410830
Manager who harassed her got fired, unlike the “livers” who bullied and slandered selen
She hasn’t attempted suicide, as far as I’m aware
And she also actually did something wrong, as unfortunate as the situation was

>>70392226
Ado

>>70411021
Selen broke her contract the same as Mel did. They both did something wrong. Responding with suicide for being punished doesn't make the punishment unjustified.

>>70411633
Except someone clearly lost in the court of public opinion.

>>70411633
One’s “doing something wrong” was attempting to give back to her fans against her frustration and confusion with incompetent and dishonest management
The other’s was carelessly confiding in the wrong person
And again
One company attempted to ruthlessly slander their talent upon her termination
The other didn’t

>>70412136
I literally do not know what you are trying to say, and keeping a folder of pics of your old comments is extremely cringe.

>>70412220
Okay, they harassed and then fired her instead of firing and then harassing her? You think that's better somehow?

>>70387269
see >>70387386

>>70412608
When did they harass Mel? Did this happen in your dreams?

Jesus christ half of you ITT are closeted homos given how much seethe you generate the moment you see a male vtuber with a female vtuber

>>70412753
holy newfag, it's like the one thing this board even knows about Mel

>>70412608
The harassment(by a single individual) she dealt with early on was taken care of quickly and she clearly must’ve been satisfied with the conclusion, considering she stuck around for so long afterward and never had any problems with harassment afterwards
Meanwhile Selen was harassed by several individuals during her time at the company, and then instead of taking care of that harassment, the management fired her and piled up the harassment further with slander

>>70387192
>It’s too high pitched otherwise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTzX4v2pl4M

>>70413378
>my team's misconduct is okay because your team's misconduct is worse
every.
fucking.
thread.

>>70413733
>one team dealt with the misconduct properly
>the other team didn’t
Reading comprehension, dumbass

>>70410016
again with this bait anon? you are just making people search how company loan works which is nice and all

>>70413378
>was taken care of quickly
It was only taken care of at all once Mel got sick of them doing nothing about it, lawyered up and got cops involved.

>>70387192

>>70413624
Until someone else in holo besides Towa has their balls drop we're still gonna need a male or two

>>70414052
Even if that is wholly representative of the truth(which I’m doubtful of), at least it was actually dealt with and those who propagated the misconduct were punished in a way that must have satisfied the victim

>>70414368
Cover literally put out a statement apologizing for NOT acting quickly.

>>70414688
The management who harassed her was quickly relieved of his managerial role(and presumably fired), but the harassment persisted afterwards.
So, one company had a staff member who harassed a talent, quickly fired said manager, and then didn’t act further to protect her from continued harassment from this individual(no longer representative of the company). Then, upon realizing that the situation was more serious than they thought, they wholly dealt with the harassment, took full accountability for it, and publicly took steps to prevent this happening in the future, to the apparent satisfaction of Mel, who stuck around for four more years with no more complaints, until she got into trouble for something unrelated and sadly had to be fired as a result.
The other company had continued harassment of a talent from multiple individuals within the company(other talents), did nothing to stop said harassment, and then, when finally faced with the talent attempting suicide due to how bad it was, fired her, then slandered her claiming that everything was her fault, denied that they propagated any harassment, and did not hold the harassers accountable at all.
But yes, these situations are absolutely comparable in some way and show that truly, cover is definitely a horrible abusive company.

>>70416313
>cover is definitely a horrible abusive company
I'm glad we agree

>>70416681
Thanks for the concession, continue on your way, little NDF drone
Sorry that you’re so bitter about your company being so shit that you have to try and pit fanbases from the other, better company against each other to deflect from your branch full of snakes burning down

>>70387192
They don't like facts anon

Good to know that Bae cares enough to physically touch her make co-workers after spending hours practicing with them while sweating up a storm
meanwhile her fans get to watch the results of that
it's okay because she worked hard to perfect her co-ordination with them
Sorry, but that's no idol
When I want an idol, I want somebody who knows her fans first and foremost, who understands that her fans are to be the closest men in her life outside of her direct family
That's an idol I can trust
Bae is a musician and a dancer
Bae is not only closer to other men physically, but she is closer to other men emotionally
The definition of an idol is "to sell dreams"
Such an openly unrequited love, a girl who regularly flaunts the fact that there are numerous males who are closer to her, know her better, know more about her, have seen her in so many more ways than you ever will- to love that is the definition of not just unrequited love, but bordering on NTR in the unironic sense
That is not the "dream" that idols were defined as selling.
Idols sell dreams.
Bae sells performances.
Bae, by definition, cannot sell dreams.
Only the perverse could find a dream to be found with Bae. But idol dreams were defined as dreams of 純愛. No cope in the world can erase the past that she flaunted in front of you over and over. No dream of yours can ever be one where you can picture her as sharing both the tender and the hard fought moments of her life with only her fans(you), because she isn't. So many of those memories belong to her male co-workers now. And if they cared to, they'd be able to know everything you do too by watching streams. They will always be closer to her than you ever will.
And that is why she isn't an idol.
Because her fans simply are not the most relevant non-blood related man in her life.
Unrequited love is a curse, and if you are a masochist, feel free. But try not to behave like all the other masochists out there and defend your fetish. It's very cliche.

>>70419955
alright now THIS one might be genuine schizophrenia instead of NDF

>>70420915
fucking kek

>>70419955
what the fuck.

>>70419955
ok

>>70387380
what the fuck are you talking about?

>>70387380
Nigga I listen to NGZK46

>>70419955
I would say meds but I think there is no hope for your NTR ruined brain

>>70419955
Based. Brats larp is now destroyed

>>70420915
Newfag
We've always had these kind of autists around here
Man, we nee more adderall schizo

>>70391563
>She has the most popular song in the entire company by a very large margin.
Thats marine retard.

>>70390221
Bae just gave them crumbs, they're gonna feast on them for months.

>Thank you Hakoz Baelz form Hololive EN Promise
>Do you want Sololive?

>>70428332
Objectively false, post proof if you've got it

>>70428819
Fucking retards.

>>70428927
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA DELET YOU FUCK

>>70428927
>being this schizo
do mori antis really?

>>70387192
great

>>70429069
huh? where did you get that?

>>70429069
Why even post an edited screenshot? https://www.reddit.com/r/HoloStatistics/comments/18z3bc7/musicwatch_im_your_treasure_box_houshou_marine/
Admit your loss fucking cuckbeat.

>>70429226
>posting reddit links as an argument
kek

>>70429242
Mori lost.

>>70387192
i would rather do anything else than watch a mixed idol group

The Holo box disagrees

>>70429069
>>70429161
Is Hololive's top song really the coombait anthem? So much for being idols I guess

OK
OK
BEAR WITH ME
OK
BUT WHAT IF
OK
HOLD ON
OK

What if you just brought in men to sing during the concerts for depth and they had nothing to do with group?
Is a fucking drum kit part of a band?
Does a groupie go to a concert to get her tits signed by the guitar and get fisted by the microphone as it snorts cocaine off her friend's thigh?
"Oh boy I can't wait to go see Famous Band, Bass Guitar is the greatest artist ever, he should go solo!" - quote from nobody ever.

Men in this shit should be treated like a fucking subwoofer to increase the depth of the song, but not center stage of the show.
They should be the equivalent of the guy wearing the black zentai suit in a puppet show.

mixed sex

>>70429643
anon, that sounds fucking stupid

>>70429696
So does putting men in your coombait.
>IT'S NOT COOMBAIT YOU COOMER GFE PARASOCIAL FAGGOT
Yeah and pole-dancing is just a form of exercise.

>>70429764

>>70429643
That is already how it is, no one besides the main girl is the focus of a live

>>70429554
i would tell you what mori's song meant but i honestly don't know what rappers sing about other than diss tracks or flaunting their jewelry

>>70429811
I don't want your estrogen pills.

>>70430723
I would never

>>70429643
i watch idols for the idols i dont wanna see random backup dancers and vocalists and shit

gtfo out of here with your dogshit ideas

>>70431034
>random backup dancers and vocalists and shit
Idiot, I'm saying we don't see them.
We hear them in the music, but we don't gotta see 'em.
Do ya see the fucking sound-guy? Nah cunt.

>>70432070
Are you like high or something
You sound like you’re high right now

>>70387192
>Mixed sex groups sound better singing together than all women
Correct
But consider
>>70387380

>>70388168
JPs saying Venus has nothing on Koreans saying 네가
here's a (네가) for thee btw

>Thread about mixed sex collab
>There are deadbeats in the thread
>They didn't post the Creepy Nuts collab
https://streamable.com/7cl4fh

>>70434877
This collab literally prooves OP's point.

>>70387192
>homo in the menu
>suddenly posts shitting on girls surfaced
i wonder if this post was typed by a brown hand or by a female hand. otherwise, just ignore this femcel. there's zero yab they need to push this holo vs holo despite never watch bae outside this concert. what a bunch bitches Nijifags are.

>>70387380
Any anons who disagree do not understand what an idol is.
You cheer for an idol not because she's an amazing talent, but because she tries her best.
Idols go through such a short career because they either
>stop improving; thus lose fans since she has peaked
>they become older and sing at a professional level; thus no longer an idol
Idols are basically young amateur singers. Once you pass amateur and enter high-level singing you're not longer technically an idol, although you can drag it on a bit longer if you look young
Vtubers get around "aging" problem so they can push the idol career longer.

For example Pekora who can't sing for shit but her songs are popular because it's Pekora. She's more an idol than Suisei whose actually talented and a professional artist, just labeled Idol to come across younger.

>>70429548
Good, leave Holostars alone

>>70437112
Next to no idols stay as singers when they graduate. They just stop being attractive.

>>70437112
>You cheer for an idol not because she's an amazing talent, but because she tries her best.
And sadly Bae isn't trying her best. Instead of giving the EN audience what they really want, instead of accepting the fact that Holo EN is about cute girls doing cute things, instead of doing what's best for herself and the branch in general, she lets cock rule her brain. And she isn't even satisfied with talking to the Homos in private where she probably has discord sex with them, no, she collabs with them in public too because her thirst for cocks is just that ridiculously bad. She's one of the few Holos who actually should fuck off to Vshojo.

>>70429548
good, don't care about grifters and their obnoxious homobeggars. leave hololive alone

>>70441416
Brats are based Bae is the perfect filter for mentally ill retards and losers like you. No wonder Bae's fans are chads and even her top paypig is a 6'1 ft muscular fit chad thats also works as a nuclear engineer

>>70441416
>sadly Bae isn't trying her best
Laugh at this idiot

>>70387380
Pretty much this, anyone with some basic musical education know that a group of women and men sound better than just a group of women, because a gender mix group has more vocal range and timbres.

Idol music is more about your oshi than her actual ability to sing or dance, there's a reason that terms like soul singing or soul dancing exist.

>>70423952
>unironic zetacuck

>>70441503
>Brats are based Bae is the perfect filter for mentally ill retards and losers like you.
Correct
>No wonder Bae's fans are chads and even her top paypig is a 6'1 ft muscular fit chad thats also works as a nuclear engineer
I hope this is you because otherwise you're really not helping the "brats are sucks" accusations

>>70441503
>Bae is based for filtering out the majority of the Holo EN fanbase and all of the biggest paypigs
>handicapping herself with her own poor decisions is cool bro
lol.

>>70441416
Anon I'm sorry but you are the one who is terminally obsessed with cock. Your vocabulary is drenched in homosexuality as well as your outlook on situations.

>>70387192
Kill yourself homobeggar tranny

>>70441545

>>70441701
Who is your oshi then we can talk about being "cucked" anon.

Why was Mel terminated??

>>70441719
Bae wants to earn money through her musical talent, not by being a virtual prostitute.

>>70441807
It's Bae. I just think it's weird to fawn over other male brats

>>70441856
Why? are you not confident with your sexuality?

>>70441600
>a group of women and men sound better than just a group of women, because a gender mix group has more vocal range and timbres.
False. Gender segregation is very common in vocal groups because male vocals and female vocals are more effective on their own. They each invoke a different range of emotions and when they're mixed together they water each other down.

>>70441719
If Bae is supposedly filtering out the biggest paypigs and making poor decisions. I find it incredibly funny that she spends some of the most amount of money back on her fans and genuinely feels thankful to them, wanting to give back to them despite supposedly "handicapping" herself. She really fucking loves her job too.
It's almost like she's happy with where she is and the opinion of some faggot who doesn't even watch her doesn't matter. This is like homobegger tier behavior but in reverse.

>>70441815
Talking about her previous harassment with someone despite signing an NDA as part of the settlement

>>70442053
Based and truth-pilled

>>70442035
you sound so confident for something so wrong LOL
mixed-gender vocal groups are also common and can offer unique opportunities for blending different vocal qualities and creating diverse harmonies.

>>70441819
>Bae wants to earn money through her musical talent
Earning money would be easier for her if she stopped sabotaging herself by collabing with males. She's slowly Ollie'ing herself.
>not by being a virtual prostitute.
She's already a cock crazed whore I'm afraid.

>>70442297
Cock crazed whores are the ones who fuck off on random breaks after milking your wallet

>>70416681
>Show autistic single item meal
>jokes about this is gonna be used to spread rumor
>It's used to spread rumor

Oh the irony.

>>70442351
lmao real

>>70387192
>It's too high pitch otherwise
Stop pretending to know about music. There are many pieces meant to be high pitched.

>>70442053
I always consider the unicorns with strong opinions about Bae as bad as homobeggers. She's staying in her own lane and just trying to be an idol and these people who have never supported her or never will support her have the gall to offer their critique or cuckpost her fans out of vapid seethe because of how much she openly appreciates them.

>>70442053
>It's almost like she's happy with where she is
Didn't she cry on stream not so long ago because the amount of work she put into her job wasn't yielding the success she hoped for?

>>70442222
>mixed-gender vocal groups are also common
Single gender vocal groups are a lot more common.
>and can offer unique opportunities for blending different vocal qualities and creating diverse harmonies.
Did ChatGPT write this?

>>70442222
You are backtracking, retard.
First, you claimed they were better.
Now, you are seemingly content with unique opportunities.
I guess the stink of your stupidity caught up with you. You are nothing more than an ignorant pretender.

>>70442559
No, she cried on stream because her 3D showcase was being potentially delayed by management due to some last minute checks that incredibly stressed her out and she promised her fans a date for the showcase. She always cries when delays happen because she hates breaking promises, she cried similarly when PLAY DICE was delayed a couple of days and also admitted to crying offstream when Mindcraft got delayed.

>>70442486
>She's staying in her own lane and just trying to be an idol
She's going against Holo EN and sabotaging her own efforts to be an idol.
>boo hoo you're saying mean things about her on /vt/
So what? Bae doesn't browse /vt/. I'll criticize her all and I want and she'll live in blissful ignorance never even knowing that I exist. It's win-win.

>>70441600
If it's part of basic musical education, then surely it is written in some book at some music school.
Please source your so called basics. Right now, you are claiming that every song sung with just one gender would be improved if it were sung with more people or with some people replaced by their opposite. Pretty fucking wild. Surely, surely you could back this wild claim up.

>>70442712
>She's going against Holo EN and sabotaging her own efforts to be an idol.
She's not "sabotaging" anything because being an idol has absolutely nothing to do with collaborations with males.
>So what? Bae doesn't browse /vt/. I'll criticize her all and I want and she'll live in blissful ignorance never even knowing that I exist. It's win-win.
and I'll criticize unicornbeggers like you all I want as long as you spread around your pigswill and mar her image unaware of your begging behavior.

>>70387192
We hate Male Vtubers here
Total Yaoi Faggots Death

>>70387192
no they dont

>>70442559
You are either confusing her with another vtuber or you are pretending to be retarded

>>70442559
He might have asked ChatGPT how adding men would be better, and that was the most positive thing it came up with.

>>70442559
>amount of work she put into her job wasn't yielding the success she hoped for?
Watch stream

>>70442918
>She's not "sabotaging" anything
Except for her ability to grow and earn money. Perpetual career sabotage is no biggie, right?
>unicornbeggers
What's a unicornbegger? I'm not even telling her to stop doing male collabs I'm just accurately pointing out that she's a cock-crazed moron for doing them.

>>70387192
>>70442222
>mixed-gender vocal groups are also common
Liar. Co-ed groups are rarer than single gender ones, and are usually less successful, and that's before you consider soloists, who all only sing with the voice of one gender. With you and the OP's retarded logic, every female soloist in history would be too high pitched.

Forget about musical education. You barely have a brain.

>>70443442
> I'm just accurately pointing out that she's a cock-crazed moron
stop projecting

>>70443442
Like I said, the opinion of a unicornbegger who doesn't even watch or support her is invalidated and you will be shat on for marring her image, rightfully so. You already outed yourself as a lying cocksucker earlier by claiming she was crying about her lack of success or earnings

>>70443550
Two person vtuber personas are rare and usually less successful, does that mean fuwamoco is bad by generalization?

>>70443442
>Except for her ability to grow and earn money. Perpetual career sabotage is no biggie, right?
She makes enough to be able to move to Japan. But imagine thinking all that matters is money, not sticking to your ideals and supporting your friends.

>>70443442
>Perpetual career sabotage is no biggie, right?
What sabotage? She get to be an idol while being friends with people she admired. Happiness is number one priority

>>70443935
Further proof: the only Promise member that didn't get burned out from streaming

I'm glad Bae has been the vehicle for anti false flagging. Better her than any other holo.

>>70443691
>bad by generalization
You are slapping words together that you do not understand, you barely literate monkey.

>>70444083
Isn't she on break literally right now?

>>70444857
moving to another country so its pretty reasonable and i bet my left nut it won't last a week without new bae content

>>70387192
Actual dogshit take. I'm not here for an opera or family night.

>>70419955
Best take in this dogshit thread.

>>70422223
Idol music is fucking dogshit, my guy

>>70445000
she already moved, you're thinking of fwmc. bae's on break cause febaery's over

>>70445920
She didn't. She's looking for a house, the "break" is for that purpose alone.

>>70445920
She was in the process of moving, she did last stream without her usual setup, even had to hum her ending bgm herself lol

>>70387380
i watch fauna sing..
and she sucks hard at singing yet i still watch it.

>>70437112
>For example Pekora who can't sing for shit but her songs are popular because it's Pekora.
Wrong
Her music has terrible numbers compare to everyone who're even a bit serious about music in the company

>>70446730
It's not as popular but still popular enough to have her own sololive anon, it's not black and white

>>70446781
Anon, Watame was able to get a sololive
No, scratch that, she had T W O
The ability of getting sololive has nothing to do with popularity, especially in Hololive

Bae is not a good singer to begin with

>>70389693
>>watches idols
They're streamers, anon. That's what, like, 90% of their content output is. Idol activities are secondary to most of them.

>>70445956
>>70446054
She's not changing countries, though, she already did that

>>70446923
Watame is also popular enough to get a sololive :)

>>70447564
She still has to go home to australia to get more stuff

>>70447620
>>70446923

>>70448848
>THE SHITEST START
what?

>>70448848
still got it 8)

>>70448908
The manager's idea was that this is going to come off scuffed as fuck so let's call it the Shitest Start so they can one day look back and have a laugh about it.

>>70448848
Sora looks like she's about to cry there (fitting)

>>70429643
>"Oh boy I can't wait to go see Famous Band, Bass Guitar is the greatest artist ever, he should go solo!"
Progchad here, I have enjoyed multiple solo albums from my favorite band's base guitarist.

>>70449181
That's pretty funny ngl

What are you anons fighting about? Are you guys mad that this debunks the rrat that "male collabs" were banned?

>>70442074
Shitty reason for her, thanks anon

>>70451500
Becomes a bit less funny when you hear about how unbelievably mismanaged Azki (and Suisei) was at the start

>>70387192
>mixed sex
yes i want to spitroast bae with my beother roberu

>>70387192
If i don't watch it the quality is still zero.

>>70453274
>You get to fuck Bae
BUT
>It's a threesome with Roberu

>>70387192
Men overpower women singing too much so no, it isn't better. I'm not talking about technical skill or quality, just power. See any mashup with 30 holos and 1 homo, he stands out, not because he's better, but because he's a man(even if they're fags).
Go watch Andrea Bocelli singing with Sarah Brightman, her voice turns obsolete.

>>70387192
>Bae has an Aryan army
Kind of based.

>>70387561
>in large
It's a good side appetizer but never is the main motivation, even people who watch Suisei aren't there solely for the music, if not she would had more viewers than any holo by how successful her songs are

>>70389693
The best idol in the history is shit near a profissional with one year of Opera experience

>>70391177
Only in Asia.

>>70387192
I didn't listen so I don't know, I don't give a shit if the homos are the best singers ever, I never will watch them no matter how much you shill.

>>70391416
KEK DEATH

>>70392800
Anon, an idol fan rather goes to a concert for the handshake event than for the music.

>>70387192
Luckily I'm smart so I didn't lost my time watching this shit

>>70387192
>Expecting anything out Bae
She's Ollie level, who gives a shit. All her "I love hololive" talk is just a PR move.

>>70454736
>>70454800
Get a new IP before you samefag phasecuck

>>70454800
What's wrong with Ollie?

>>70419955
Based and cucks will cry about their runt

>>70441503
Coincidentally I'm 6'1 too, not very muscular but fit(sport is more important than whatever bodybuilding shit is)and I don't work because I don't need(rich people's problems)

>>70441545
Rappers give their best too(at least the small ones), but they aren't idols, you need to give your best, but you need to do it on a specific direction to be considered an idol. If you don't agree cry about it EOP

>>70442053
>happy
>cry on stream
>Ollie follows the same way and is considering graduation
Lol
Lmao even

>>70455580
No need to larp as an idolfag, it's clear newfags like you are trying to revise it's definition which will never work

>>70455660
ESL sister, the only one considering graduation are the Niji talents and I hope they get forcefully graduated

>>70442486
>Staying on her own lane
If she stayed on her lane she would do the same as FuwaMoco did when they showed up in the expo preview

>>70455735
Based

>>70442918
>She's not "sabotaging" anything because being an idol has absolutely nothing to do with collaborations with males
The biggest idol group ever disagrees with you, faggot

>>70446923
>Comparing Watame with Bae
Kill yourself, not only once, twice

>>70455831
NTA but the biggest idol of Hololive (Suisei) disagrees with you faggot along with many other HoloJP talents including premiere idol Sora
I can tell you just entered the thread and are seething at past discussion but your tranny seethe won't change the fact that Bae is an idol

>>70448848
Any semi popular holo can fit the 15.000, idk why Cover is so dumb

>>70454930
It's me the two times, but that isn't samefag, retard

>>70455735
kek

>>70455735
Ollie herself said that both in a member's stream and in a public stream, not that I expect homobeggars to watch things

>>70456111
and what does that have to do with Bae? are you gonna pull out lies from your asshole again unicorn cuck? she's happy

>>70455951
Suisei is just a bigger ant near the biggest idol group ever, your point? If you think she can change what's the meaning of idol dream on

>>70442918
>She's going against Holo EN
Nigger please the only person who even seemed remotely unhappy with Bae being who she is in HoloEN was fucking Kiara, and it didn't have anything to do with Bae collabing with the homos.And let's not pretend she didn't just spend her 1 million yen winning for a full HoloEN cover, and we all know EN management would take at least a year to fund and organize something like that after Advent debut.
>>70443442
>Except for her ability to grow and earn money.
You probably don't watch her in general so I will give you a little recap here.
She just released a full album. 3 out of 13 songs already got their own MVs with 2 more slated to be next being COLOUR and EIEN.
She's currently in the process of moving into her new place in Japan, now it's no US housing, but Tokyo is not cheap either especially one meeting all her standards.
Keep in mind she's already done a few round trips of flights between AUS - JP and she will have to go for another round to complete her house moving to Japan.
She also has at least 2 song covers in work, 1 of them Aquaria Mau Sora literally just needs her own recording to be done, but she obviously won't release those anytime soon when the focus should be on her album.
Her channel at the moment is sitting at 38 total music releases not counting the originals produced by DECO27, and recently Honeyworks, or the TeddyLoid remix of PLAY DICE!
During this year FeBaery she booked the kitchen studio for her cooking streams, hired animator for her shorts and for her birthday live, joined a pro dancing class because she was trying to kill herself via work.

I think you can stop pretending to be retarded unless you have a humiliation fetish, in that case you do you, I wouldn't judge. The point is all of that workload needs funding, she's earnt that kind of funding and she produced real, tangible (not in a literal sense) results that you can see if you just take one look at her channel, but you don't, and honestly it should stay that way because life is less interesting without the shallow-minded.

>>70455963
I dunno about that, vtubers are still more niche than most of us here think. The fanbase is dedicated but not large. I'm continually shocked when in my youtube subscription feed I see like, a random camping youtuber I follow completely mogging a major hololive vod.

>>70456210
Based receiptanon

>>70456111
Getting 0.1% of subs as CCV is pretty grim. Did she do something to fall off?

>>70387380
>>70437112
This. BEST COVER AND BESTEST ORISONG COMING THROUGH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7Ql4D1UnQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIRKvXbbbsk

I was going to post Bae's IRL true rat face, but I don't plan on taking a 3 day vacation because of a whore. But holy shit, what an ugly woman, if I wear a wig I'm more beautiful than her, I don't see the reason in fighting over such undeveloped creature.

>>70456210
First, holy based.
Second, what's Kiara's problem with Bae??

>>70456210
Good work anon

>>70456210
All that and she's still the runt? Impressive desu

>>70456547
It's the rat model and dumb name debuffs. Not her fault

>>70456635
>rat model
Ironmouse is the biggest EN outside of hololive and she's a rat too
>dumb name
Holy shit, look at the biggest EN chuuba, Gawr Gura, almost everyone still pronounces that shit wrong after years.
That's some brat condensed cope

>>70456893
>Ironmouse is a rat
are you actually retarded?

>>70456210
Uhhh based? I would just like to add that I saw some calculations anons did based on the artist's commissions page and her cover came out to around twice the amount of the 1 million she got. When you put into perspective how much she spends on projects. I do worry for her sometimes. Love this rat.

>>70456893
>Gawr Gura
Leagues more memorable than fucking "Hakos Baelz" kek

>>70457018
NTA but she has one rat model
you are still right though

>>70456210
Brats are based as always.

>>70456194
You probaly don't even watch idols lol.

>>70456635
would have been first to a mil

>>70457018
It isn't my fault she changes model every week, she already had at least 2 that looks like a rat

>>70457582
>it's not my fault I'm retarded

>>70457469
>Watching that tranny shit
No, thank you. I love hololive but despise IRL idols.
But that doesn't change the fact that the biggest idol group ever had an anti male rule

>>70387269
someone got nostalgic for the times the whole /vt/ seethed at beggars instead of ndf and decided to revive the trends

>>70457818
So your opinion quite literally doesn't matter, you should stop larping as an idolfag and fuck off

>>70457956
>facts doesn't matter
See, you just shit on me because you know what I said is the true.

>>70456453
I should be saving this post for another time, but it was merely a culmination of her disappointed by her DO U performance at 4thfes, classic Kiara behaviour so nothing new there even though she eventually said she's still proud of it probly for the sake of kfp.
Plus watching Bae's breakout performance at the same event, and it turned into a tough blow for her. Now she did one thing which was immediately tweeting how Bae was the dancer of EN and all that, which was completely unnecessary but still commendable, a senpai keeping a kouhai in the spotlight is great! However, on a stream after 4thfes she kind of let out a long sigh and I'm paraphrasing here, but basically she didn't think she could ever keep up with Bae anymore because Bae still got that youth, and we know Kiara is on her way to Hag territory (which is great btw I love hags)
So all in all, it's a complete and utter nothingburger. Unless you're one of the few kfpfags who decided to put the blame for Kiara not being happy with herself, on Bae, then it's actually everything and anything.
They could not fucking handle what was essentially Kiara acknowledging someone else was better than her that they started to throw hissy fits on this board for the last 350 days or so. In fact, they could not even keep it on this board, literally after Kiara tweeted the Dancer of EN tweet, which again was very commendable of her, they jumped out of their split and onto twitter or discord or whatever, and tried to mental gymnastic their way to how Bae's dancing is not nearly as complex as Kiara's.
Again, should have saved this for the next time the few individuals popped up in global or something.

>>70387192
>I love voice acting
>Everyone in the same group is better
Top kek

>>70458236
You might've fallen for egguardo's falseflagging as KFP, his ultimate goal is to larp as KFP and anti other holos and fanbases in order to make it seem like KFP are the worst fanbase and to try and get Kiara discussion banned from global
Everytime this "raid" has happened in global, it has gotten deleted at the same time if the meido is around. This group of "KFP" you are speaking of is actually the same guy, yes 1 singular guy, he just switched target of antiing from Kiara to Bae after fes and word for word uses the same script he used to anti Kiara with for 2 years straight.
I say this as a brat.

Why is the sister resorting to dox now?

>>70458236
Can I see examples of KFP comparing Kiara and Bae's dancing publicly? on twitter and discord I mean

>>70387192
Typical homobeggar lie.

>>70391589
It was garbage.

>>70458521
> Blatant Anti post
not even going to be subtle about it huh

>>70393057
So female idols collab with male idols (blegh) all the time? Riiiight.

>>70459830
>Anti
I love hololive and she makes it worse, if that's called an anti, so be it.

>>70394722
STFU homobeggar trash

>>70460126
Just like how Sora, Fubuki and Suisei make it worse, got it

>>70460126
who's your oshi?

>>70460313
Subaru, Miko and Sora

>>70416681
This was probably a jab at those NDF scumbags who caused one of the JP Holomems to graduate.

>>70460270
>Sora
Kys
>Fubuki
Maybe
>Suisei
I'm also a retarded

>>70437112
Suisei worked hard to get where she is now. You don't need to shit talk her just to praise Pekora.

>>70460070
Yes. Literally just google it

>>70442126
>i'm a cuck so i must kneel

I'll start singing and this day next year I'll post a video singing and being better than those fags.

>>70448848
are these the only holomems who got sololive?

>>70461626
Yes

>>70458521
Who??

>>70461414
Well duh, they are adults with lives and responsibilities, not some underage faggot stuck in his parent's hut

>>70460954
Not really.
Most femidol groups collab with other femidol. Co-ed shit is rare as fuck.

>>70462308
and yet you act like this happens every week

>>70460557
> Sora
nice falseflag retard

>>70419955
lmao Bae throats roberu cock (the other guy watches (don't know his name)

>>70463961
Why are all cuckposters always ESL monkeys?

>>70463961
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