/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>7056717
Because they've been the top dog for too long

Blame Youtube, by this time we would be swimming in 3D titty streams if not for the holocaust.

>>7056717
They've stagnated. There's no original content happening from a majority of the members, partially because they're complacent and partially because they're still incapable of getting permissions for a lot of things. It's funny that you posted an image of Haato because she's probably the biggest example of stagnation, she's been doing the same thing for months and months now, she takes a break and when she comes back, it's the same shit as before.

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>>7056717
They are getting fat irl and are depressed

>>7056717
Because haachama is a reddit fag now. Graduate when

>>7056717
Because you're depressed. Try some other hobby for a while and then come back.

>>7056938
>now

>refusal to do stuff with other companies
>seisolive
pick one.

>>7056717
Cover backdoored Coco untill she quit. Now all the girls are trying to be safe so it doesn't happen to them.

>>7056717
>recent
They've been soulless ever since they started pandering to .Live Idolbu refugees.

Its Cover being a bunch of little bitch.
Let the girls do what they want to do simple.
Stagnating is really a bad idea and thats what happening to them.
At this rate the Regular viewer are going to start getting bored,they just not gonna get more viewers or worst both of these things is going to happen.

>>7056890
This. over a year of the meme cough and being trapped indoors, earning easy money. They're all getting lazy and chubby and it's affected their mental state. Streamers in general are about as prone to depression as speedrunners. The human body was not intended for these sort of professions.

>>7056717
the girls aren't allowed to say nigger anymore

They don't

Because you're a soullless falseflagger who can't think of anything original to complain about.

>>7056717
Too safe. Too family friendly. Every idea or collab needs approval first.

>>7056717
1. Cover has greater restrictions/censorship that caused Coco to leave. This causes loss of interest or boredom.
2. Niji EN wave 2 just debuted, so there is some attention on that.
3. Vnuma is down so numberfagging is more difficult.
4. Hololive streamers are getting stale (also cause of #1), so people are waiting for a new Gen.

>>7056717
you don`t even watch them, schizo

>>7057207
New gen won't fix shit. Same way Irys didn't. It's going to be more Minecraft and other shit everybody saw 50+ times already.

>>7056753
>they're still incapable of getting permissions for a lot of things
They shouldn’t need to get permission at all. It just slows things down and kills creative freedom p.

>>7057226
Not OP but I watch them all the time and it's harder every week. It became really boring. Shit collabs. Same games. TTRPG is their only good content right now.

Cover's new censoring policy is going to destroy the company.

>>7057038
>Its Cover being a bunch of little bitch.
>Let the girls do what they want to do simple.
>Stagnating is really a bad idea and thats what happening to them.
Well out of fear of another China situation, Cover thought controlling the girls completely would be good. Everything has to be okayed now by management, rather than the girls deciding what is funny or whatever. In the end such extreme control is it’s own negative situation as well. It backfired.

>>7057207
>if I don't see big number I can't have fun
are you faggots mentally ill?

>>7057343
i thought the numbers thread was just people roleplaying being super into numbers (and a minority of people being genuinely interested in data) but there are actually anons who think like this

>>7057343
#3 is only meant for numberfags.

>>7057038
Not all of them want the same thing. This is something people are too eager to ignore when complaining about Coco having her creativity restrained. The things Cover forbids them of doing are things many of them don't really give a shit about, and the things they give in return help them get closer to their dreams, while to Coco they were mostly meaningless.
Do you think Suisei is suffering from not being able to cross the line on erotic or grotesque content when she just released a song with Taku Inoue and is about to release a full album?

>>7057244
Irys is an ENtuber, of course she didn't bring any new interest

>>7056717
Because after the Coco situation, Haachama's intermittent menhera attacks, etc. you've realized that this is just a job for them, and often one that is very stressful and unpleasant.

>>7056717
Idk what your talking about op, Mio's singing and ukele streams and her asamio streams is filled with so much soul watching them never fails to make my day brighter

>>7057339
Numbers are going down everywhere while new Niji wave debuted and fuckers are getting 30k live views.

Cover will be forced to change their idiotic policy soon.

Go to 1:55:00 for part of the answer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV-VghW7SaM

>>7056717
Your honeymoon period with them has ended.

>>7057451
Cover is making this shit stressful and unpleasant. Go watch the NijiEN difference is fucking night and day. They are acting like friends 24/7, doing spontaneous collabs, dropping in each other's streams etc.

Coco really needs to start er own vshojo like group so all Holo girls can escape from this bullshit.

>>7057465
eden numbers will go down and stabilize soon after the novelty wears off. as for the others, once koushien final happens they will go back to their regular numbers.
t. actually watches nijisanji

>>7057511
Honeymoon was over a long fucking time ago. This s different.

>>7057530
>Cover is making this shit stressful and unpleasant. Go watch the NijiEN difference is fucking night and day.
The fish was streaming Nekopara a few days ago, which is something I high doubt Cover would allow.

>>7056717
stop taking your medication

>>7056717
same reason as youtubers in general. the bigger you become = the more sponsorships you get. this way you'll increase your expectation as well as your risk of falling down. in order to prevent this you'll eventually develop some sort of restriction(s). these restrictions hinders you from genuinity, leading to ingenuinity which will result in forced, dissatisfying contents. at this point your contents are just a tool to increase your net worth. these are the current habbeningu. just compare contents floating in surface nowadays with early youtube contents. most content nowadays are more focused in career direction rather than to "simply have fun". it's kinda ironic to see how hololive got sheer amount of exposure due to their content similarity with old age youtube, and yet now they lost their main charm, and gradually become the polar opposite of what they used to be. no one to blame here though, afterall flow of cash is necessary to keep the business alive, and without it, these whole thing would never be a thing in the first place.

>>7057572
Thank god she didn't end up in Hololive. She would be like Gura, stressed and afraid of angering management every stream.

>>7057530
Yeah, you're right. A lot of it is Cover's insane restrictiveness and rules. It's clear that Niji EN are much more relaxed for that reason, which is making their streams more appealing for the moment. Holo EN would probably be similarly entertaining and lowkey if they didn't have the heavy corporate hand of Cover restricting them.

>>7057579
Bullshit. Nijisanji has way more sponsorships especially in Japan and they give zero fucks.

>>7057579
So like this: bigger = sponsorships = restrictions made to protect sponsorships = things become boring = company declines = loss of sponsorships = fun

>>7057632
2434 has always been more level headed and relaxed than Hololive. And thank Haruhi for that.

>>7057625
This this this. The NijiEN girls dodged a fucking bullet. I feel really bad for what that did to Namirin

>>7057625
This is what happened when Gura wanted to play Nekopara:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qF-V6lg_rM

>>7057690
I've been rewatching Haruhi, and it's insanely good. 2000s KyoAni was unbelievably great.

>>7057632
HoloEN girls are great but Cover is nerfing them hard. If this shit keeps going soon Gura will get depressed like Shion and everything will go to hell.

>>7056717
>Why does hololive feel so soulless as of recent?
Because you forgot to take your meds

Haachama was going to quit too, but was talked out of it.

>>7057659
do you really believe kuzuha channel didn't tone down his attitude since enikara signed him? they're not keeping him in a cage or anything but even the king of scuff knows to have a minimum of professionalism to work with sponsors and make a living.

>>7057682
they haven't reach the "company decline" stage yet. and even if they do, there's a chance that they may or may not repeat the same thing over again. i mean, most companes that goes bankrupt usually just let it crash down than to rebuild it from scratch.

>>7057813
Yeah. Time will tell if that was a good decision. Cover gives numbers and sweet $$$ but holy shit it sounds like working there is becoming a nightmare.

Imagine if Senzawa joined NijiEN instead of Hololive. It would be a dream come true for her

>>7057815
Meanwhile Hoshikawa is advertising Tenga. They give no fucks if Kuzuha is nerfing himself he's doing that out of his own will.

>>7057883
Fuck this actually hurts.

Lower numbers, actual friends, chill atmosphere, no restrictions. Everything she wanted.

>>7056717
Watch Miko. She has been killing it lately.

>>7057887
hoshikawa is not their most subscribed talent

>>7057933
Neither was Kuzuha until very recently.

>>7057918
Amelia too, in fact, HoloEN has legit been more exciting than HoloJP lately. They have been doing a lot of cool shit. HoloJP will come out of it though. UsaKen festival and Coco's graduation probably burned some of them out. Give it a month.

They're lazy and have been living in a bubble world. They've become far too complacent with the job to the point it's just become a social platform for their daily lives.

>>7057933
Mito sure cared when she was #1.

>>7057999
>Amelia
She seemed like she wanted to quit
>HoloEN
Been getting stale.

>>7057999
Few of them are on the verge of graduating.

>>7057994
>>7058023
and why do you think two other streamers surpassed her?

>>7057999
Ame has some nice ideas but she's low energy like every stream now.

I personally just switched from Niji to Hololive. It's like a breath of fresh air.

>niji EN second wave debuts
>immediately after, literally overnight, waves and waves of totally not stealth marketing posts start popping up all over the board talking about holo decline and niji incline
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>7057999
Ame barely goes over 2h in last two weeks. It's like she barely cares anymore.

>>7058105
Something tells me you’re being disingenuous.

>>7058073
Literally doesn't fucking matter. 90% of nijisanji does anything they want without any care. If the super big names become safer it's their choice.

>>7058108
>stealth marketing
>implying it's not just schizos baiting out of boredom
remember schools are on holiday in many places right now

>>7058108
I’m sorry holobro, but it’s not stealth marketing. People are just waking up and realizing the bullshit that’s going on.

t. Holo refugee

>>7058108
>holo decline
That started from a drop in numbers (particularly Holo EN). Blame the numberfags.

>>7058108
You don't watch them. If you did you would know how much better their streams are. Pomu's Akiba tour rapes any Hololive stream in recent memory. Their collabs are actually fun and full of energy.

HoloEN is like a bunch of zombies forced to pretend to be friends while a dozen Cover employees watch over their every move.

>>7058073
the point is even when she was the #1 she still did outrageous shit that makes the rest of the company doubt her sanity and she still got a ton of sponsorships while being called the "face" of the company for years, even up till now despite being surpassed by chronoir. not even signing a contract with sony toned her down.

>>7058091
Well, she is close to have a burnout so she will have a break on August, also she is doing some extra work now and maybe she will have some unexpected collabs with Kiara or Haachama now that she is back

>>7057292
>TTRPG is their only good content right now
Almost got me.

>>7058236
It really is.

>>7058148
>t-they're nerfing themselves on their own i-it's totally not management
lmao

>>7058258

See >>7058225

>>7057292
>TTRPG is their only good content right now.
I actually agree with this. Only good stream I had seen in a long time from Holo EN was Gura and Mori’s TTRPG stream on Gura’s channel. Other than that, it’s been getting boring.

>>7058138
No, I'm just not on niji payroll to shill the company like you. (Though I was once, but they stiffed me on payment)

Popularity ruins things, I miss when haato actually did creative things and not low effort meme shit.

>>7058309
Cope harder. You are the only corp drone here. If you actually checked their content you would know it's all 100% true.

>>7058309
Stay mad loserbait

>>7056717
Your honeymoon phase is over OP it’s time to move on to the next thing

>>7058309
>.05 holobucks have been deposited to your account

>>7058108
Yep, this actually happened after NijiEN1 debuted but really ramped up with EN2. Its so blatently obvious too since there was practically no Nijisanji fan presence on here before. I want nothing to do with that garbage so it really killed this place for me.

>>7057413
I think even Suisei might feel a bit suffocated by having to ask for permission for everything 3 months in advance.
I get that it is harder for some Holmems, but still, management is just neurotic

>>7058345
Absolutely this. Hololive was so much better when they were #2. Now that they are #1 it's all going downhill.

I love Niji because they are so open with themselves. Liver is a whore? They're open about how whorish they are and turn it into entertainment. Liver is a criminal? They make it into a running joke. Liver is actually gay? They flaunt it and express it rather than just play pretend. Kuzuha's openness to the rainbow flag and saying how accepting he is really opened my eyes to what drew me to the company in the first place. I love Niji because they are just like me, a vulnerable individual with some really weird kinks in a harsh world just trying to get by, and they do it wonderfully.

>>7058425
I wonder why there was less Niji fan presence here, an english-speaking board, when there were no English speaking Nijis. Truly gets the noggin joggin.

>>7058425
Or you know, people watched their streams and started having fun? Their chats are full of Hololive fans idiot.

But of course dumbshit Cover drone with /v/tard tribal mentality will never watch them. And that's for the best.

>>7058225
>>7058297
You're talking about old stuff when they weren't nearly as popular as they are now and had to capture attention by being over the line. Once they got enough popularity to attract big sponsors they started nerfing themselves to appease the sponsor requests. Welcome to marketing 101, retard.

>>7058425
>Its so blatently obvious too since there was practically no Nijisanji fan presence on here before
Which is why it’s more likely that Holo fans are doing the majority of complaining. The idea that Coco would be forced to leave, with Haachama to consider quitting, while you expect loyalty to Cover to remain perfect is strange to me. Criticism is valid to me.

>>7058523
>they started nerfing themselves to appease the sponsor requests

95% of Niji vtubers don't do that. At all. They don't have censor policy like Cover.

>>7058506
same actually, you put it perfectly. I love hearing how they stole from a store or cheated on their past lovers or even molested somebody. It's stuff like that that's exciting.

>>7058531
I bet 9/10 of those holodrones didn't even watch Holotalk with Coco where she explained how shit Cover's policy is right now and told others to stay strong.

>>7058581
The popular ones do and they are the ones that matter for big sponsors. Nobody gives a shit about the other 95% of niji, least of all sponsors.

>>7058506
>Kuzuha's openness to the rainbow flag
i'm not saying he's homophobic but i hope you realize he was just doing shitty damage control to not have the usual schizos on his ass.
it was super funny though and i'm pretty sure that rocket league stream was a paid endorsement which makes it funnier. never change, lagusa.

>>7058623
You are so retarded holy shit. Niji has no corp wide policy about this. If their streamer wants to be family friendly for big sponsors they can. If they want to talk about dicks and sex toys they can. Also 3 of their 5 top vtubers are nothing like what you describe. If Kuzuha decided to be softer for sponsor money it's on him not Anycolor.

Meanwhile Cover is forcing everybody to behave like they want.

>>7058523
Yeah anon, Mito is so scared of losing Sony money, that's why she played pachinko for around 5 hours despite being a "highschool girl" and even did an ahegao double peace every time she pulled a hit and pretended she's getting mindraped by pachinko the whole time. That's also why she still plays loli games and ryona games on stream. And still jokes about committing forest arsons. Oh, not the scary sponsor requests, dear god.

>>7056717
Cause they suck redditors dicks

>>7058513
>people watched their streams
No they didn't. Their viewership numbers suck and HoloEN's viewership numbers haven't changed much at all despite what the schizos here spew out of their brainless heads every second. Gura still gets 20k, Ina and Ame 9/10k, Mori and Kiara 5/6k. That hasn't changed in months. There is no mythical exodus of Hololive fans over to Niji and there never was.

For there to be about a 1000% increase in Niji on this board right as EN debuted, like immediately! Nobody became a fan that quickly. The shill campaign is obvious.

>>7056717
Hololive = WWF attitude era
Coco = Stone Cold Steve Austin

>>7058751
what would anycolor (or literally any company on earth) gain from shilling here? why would they shill using shitty bait threads?

>>7056938
>>7058716
Newfags

>>7058751
>HoloEN's viewership numbers haven't changed
Gura used to pull many more live viewers. This is the point where you make up an excuse for why the decline occurred. BTW, I like Gura. It’s just the the facts. It’s not the same as always anymore.

>>7058831
Your trying to hard to fit in. Go back

the new debuted girls numbers already halved...I'm worried

>>7057264
Yes, intellectual copyright law is broken and Hololive big enough to need to care about copyright law.

>>7058822
That's what I'm curious about too, Nijinigger

>>7058439
That is fair, and I hope they can find a comfortable place to meet halfway. Coco herself mentioned they were willing to compromise to keep her, it's just that the compromise wouldn't make either party happy, at the end of the day. But maybe making the lives of people like Suisei easier to continue to do what they always wanted to do anyway would already be a good boost in morale.

This all happened because they moved out from bilibili. And I wonder who is at fault here. Ah yes, the stupid dragon and her fat fox friend.

>>7058751
It's not a massive exodus but their numbers are going down.

>>7058814
People hate on Reddit dragon but she's unironically the one that made Cover this big and opened the way for HoloEN.

It's all downhill from here.

>>7058926
>Coco herself mentioned they were willing to compromise to keep her, it's just that the compromise wouldn't make either party happy, at the end of the day
Cover should actually make the girls happy, since that is better for business in the long run.

>>7058983
If cover gave these girls free reign they try to appeal to a mass audience and bring in normies and collab with males like the old days. They need a tight lease and be controlled for their own good

>>7058425
>>7058751
>>7058898
If I just Cover my ears, and close my eyes, maybe, I can get the Anycolor fans, out of my mind. (rent free)

>>7058935
How do say based in chink?

>>7059046
And here is a prime bootlicker. Pathetic. You are going to be so happy when in half a year most of old guard is gone and half of HoloEN is close to graduating.

>>7057292
>TTRPS
I thought this thread was about hololive but you're talking about EN whores

>>7058981
It's ok, you can still enjoy hololive if you don't watch holoen. I didn't watch holoen or coco that much and I still enjoy hololive.

>>7058703
>If Kuzuha decided to be softer for sponsor money it's on him not Anycolor.
The absolute cope, lmao.You have axactly zero proof of niji not having such policy, even if they were to say that, and there is plenty of proof of the contrary if you're willing to open your eyes and get your head out of your corporate overlord's ass.
>>7058708
Oh wow that sure sounds terryfing anon, how could she joke about forest arsons, what a devil. There's no way a holo would ever do that, or joke about lolis or shotas, and definitely no sexual jokes ever, yea, never heard those in hololive.

>>7059046
>collab with males
What if Cover gave the girls freedom to do anything but that? Would you then agree?

>>7057264
>They shouldn’t need to get permission at all. It just slows things down and kills creative freedom

If we were talking small indie vtubers/streamers you would be right, but we are talking about a corporate entity. For an entertainment company to stream another company's content and make money off it...they're going to need a deal in place. Luckily, there is a lot that is fair game due to existing deals that is both popular content and the girls enjoy playing.

>>7059094
And you apparently want to become a cuck. Your fetish i take it

>>7058941
Thats, totally normal you nonce. There are no big events like birthdays, UsaKen festival, or song releases currently. They will shoot back up during the next hyped up event and then settle back down and the cycle repeats.

Just look at Niji right now. Do you really think the bully panda is going to consistently put up Pekora numbers? No, its the baseball buff. After its done she will be back to her normal viewership.

>>7059137
Id be much more agreeable if that was the case

>>7059137
They can collab with males now, the girls just choose not to so they don't alienate their superchating unicorns.

>>7059137
that seems reasonable, desu.

>Hololive is doomed because management won't allow them to do any sort of risky content
>Haachama has an r-18 contest stream scheduled because Haachama

>>7059046
Don't hijack my nice talk with that anon to start another timeloop, faggot.

>>7059141
>Hololive cannot have less restrictions similar to Nijisanji, because Hololive is a company.
Anon…

I think there's too much overlap between all their streamers. If one person plays a stream and its popular, expect tons of streams of that game from the other vtubers.

Henry Stickmin is a good example. It's a good game and came out last year. No hololive member played it until Gura did in June. The stream got like a million views so suddenly we got nearly all holo girls playing it in the past month.

>>7057292
back to >>7057226

>>7059182
Wrong...they used to collabs with males alot back in the day. This is cover and good on them for controlling it

>>7059189
People here don't watch streams, and they certainly don't check twitter for upcoming streams.

>>7059289
[including you]

>>7059279
Not true you retard. Why do Towa, Matsuri and Fubuki regularly collab with males if there is a ban?

>>7059252
I'm not a fan of that kind of stuff either, but I find it understandable. I myself ignored every stream of that game until my oshi played it, and I did have fun watching her play it. It's more of an issue for people who watch literally everyone, but most people don't have time for that. Marine playing Portal and Portal 2 was the first time I've ever seen those games, and it was awesome. I wouldn't want people with different oshis to miss out on such a cool experience just because mine already played it. And I'm sure others probably played before her too, but I don't care.
They should probably be a little more conscious about spacing these things out a little. I'm tired of the Shin-chan game just from looking at thumbnails.

>>7056717
We are in year 1 P.C.E. (Post Coco Era)

>>7059127
Yeah, remind me again when's the last time hololive showed something like this on stream?
Funny how you ignored everything else too.

>>7059327
Turns you on doesn't it you fucking cuck.

>>7059094
Not him, but I wouldn't mind if they closed holoEN for good, would probably even celebrate with a nice drink. And if by old guard you mean people like Ayame, Mel, Shion or Haato who barely contribute anything to holo anymore and already have one foot on the way out, or Matsuri who is actually a liability, it would be kind of sad to see the OG go, but realistically speaking it wouldn't be a big loss.

>>7059252
Great point, At least you have some people like Korone that will play games that no one else is doing or has done. It is a symptom of streaming in general to go with what is hot and leads to unoriginality

I would also like to add that it doesn't help that ENs management is even worse that JP when it comes to everything. The mere fact that EN has done will inspite of their awful management is pure luck.

>>7059252
Maybe it just takes the management so long to approve the games that the girls have to scramble to whatever's become available. Other than Stickmin, Luna and Korone recently started FFIX at the same time too

>>7059374
So now unhinged sexual content for thensake of being edgy is cool? You might enjoy Vshojo brother. Come with me to the vshojo thread!

>>7059252
I don’t know if that’s a good example. For some reason the numbers for that game tended to be above average for everyone streaming it since they wanted to see the different reactions. So I think there are good times to do that. Monster Hunter might be a better example of what everyone decided to do at once, and burned everyone out by doing so.

>>7059394
Keep poor Meru Meru out of this, she really loves doing the concerts. :(

>>7059327
>towa
selly isn't a regular male he's my wife

>>7059410
>oh shit I can't disprove him anymore
>better divert the topic to something else! it doesn't matter that I lose the point of the whole argument!
Hilarious, try watching streams next time so you get better ammunition, Thanks for the laughs anon!

>>7059374
If that is the standard you have for content freedom you are going to be very disappointed in life. Fuck outta here schizo.

>>7059416
>Monster Hunter might be a better example of what everyone decided to do at once, and burned everyone out by doing so.

Everyone was always going to do Monhun at once if Capcom loosened up, which they did. It's Monhun. Monhun releases are essentially national holidays in Japan.

>>7059404
>Maybe it just takes the management so long to approve the games
Or to approve anything. Gura said before that she had an idea for an upload, but that management never got back to her, and so she gave up on the idea. It’s possible management didn’t approve and so let her hang on purpose.

>>7059502
did you even read the posts it was replying to? lmao baiters can't even read

>>7059473
>try watching streams
>Nijisanji
Never

>>7059374
That's the most yabai thing you could find? Really? Have you actually played that game? If anything it was wholesome.

>>7059381
So you agree ? There is no ban? I do like being right. Thanks.

Cover needs to rethink things. In the interest of sanitizing everything, they could end up making things boring as a result.

>>7059416
MH was actually a good game for everyone to play at once because it allowed for countless collabs, many of them completely spontaneous. Also, like the other anon said, it's a nationwide phenomenon, not just a case of holos jumping into a game for views.

>>7059509
I think it was a good collab game, it was just overkill. I’m not trashing the game, just the frequency of streams.

>>7059660
Good thing it will never be as boring as playing Apex 24/7.

>>7059641
Winning battle but losing the war. You became a cuck

>>7059660
>sanitizing
People keep saying that, but cover's restrictions are much more concerned with avoiding legal issues or internet shitstorms than about sanitizing shit.

>>7059660
I agree they should loosen up but they shouldn't loose their identity in the process. They are doing good now with the distinct culture they've cultivated. Loosening things up to the point where they are just another manjisanji would be a huge mistake, no matter what nijiniggers say.

>>7059431
Selly is a handsome girl.

>>7056717
Hologra does feel different now...

>>7057343
Birch please, numbers are the foundation of reality. You breathe and eat numbers you just can't tell it because our minds as species have yet to transcend and break the veil of reality

>>7059844
my best girls in one image...daebak

>>7059791
Correct. Also Youtube being retarded. It's very clear with things like their outfits instantly changing to the uncensored version for members with more erotic designs the moment they're out of youtube, like in SPWN events. If it was the company wanting to get away from being associated with erotic imagery, they would still use the censored ones. They don't really give a shit.
Also telling that so many of their official voice packs are GFE ASMR stuff.

>>7059473
You weren't even replying to the same anon by the way, retard.

>>7060038
>Also telling that so many of their official voice packs are GFE ASMR stuff.

Most Hololive merch, outside of music and figures, are at least implied to be lewd. And some are outright. They really don't give a fuck. Most of the problem is youtube.

Niji needs to downsize. Too many useless nobodies drag the company down.

>>7059951
pythagoras, pls

It's also pretty weird how people are claiming Nijisanji's a breath of fresh air when they're getting lots of views right now playing:
1) Apex
2) Baseball
The best performer in their newest debut got a lot of attention playing... Ghosts & Goblins. Their supposedly more creative streams never get as many views so if people are jumping ship, they're certainly not doing it because of creative freedom.

>>7057915
kys nijinigger

>>7060038
>I'm gonna start an idol streamer agency
>let's objectify anime girls for profit
>oh no, puritanical authoritarian misanthropes are brigading us to crush all human happiness and fulfillment because we didn't kneel hard enough to their overseas political zealotry
>I know! Let's sanitize content for overseas viewers and keep the more risque stuff for the home market!
>AAAAAAAAAHHHHH WHY IS OVERSEAS GROWTH STALLING?!
>why can't people who don't know japanese just read the chubas' tweets and find out where to find their more unfettered content?!
>oh
>fffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-
This is what happens when you try to get into politically charged markets with taboos on speech and expression which will be enforced by whatever platform your on for fear of lawsuits, criminal charges and deplatforming by payment processors.

If possible, you should never be using a service or platform that doesn't reflect your customers' values. It's just that if those values don't align with public morals, so you'll need a platform based in a country which has absolutely no obscenity or speech regulations so that your anime girls can be edgy and hilarious without getting canceled. This is why communism is bad for business. It interferes with the market and makes everuone dissatisfied, thereby creating a backlash against the very ideals you're trying to impose from the top down.

Nothing will improve so long as hololive keeps bending the knee to chinktube. And they'd probably get deplatformed from twitch for talking about loli. I'm sorry to say, but American.platforms are a non starter for anything other than wholesome family friendly content that's incredibly hard to make consistently entertaining if you're not as talented as Korone.

Cover management sounds like a bunch of fucking miserable hoops and bureaucracy for the girls to jump through just to do what they want. The permissions shit wouldn't be so irritating if it weren't for all the stories of talent asking about a game and then the manager forgetting up til they're reminded a month later, at which point they send an email they'll never read the response to and then tell the talent shoganai wa.

>>7060512
>Baseball
what bro

>>7060512
>claiming Nijisanji's a breath of fresh air
Not really. Just a lesser evil when it comes to management.
>supposedly more creative streams
What people mean is less restrictions is less boring, not that everyone is good who has less restrictions, only that someone who is good is even better with less restrictions.

>>7057572
I remember when Artia played that game. Her Twitch streams let her get away with whatever she wanted.

Holomyth has this problem where each of them on their own is at worst a decent solo streamer but 4/5 are fucking terrified of interacting with other humans. It took months for Ina and Gura not to shut down even around their genmates and Ame is still a little sperg, they all have trouble matching Kiara's energy, and Mori's a coinflip on whether or not she's having a menhera day and mentally roping every time someone says more than two words to her.

>>7060512
It's just nijiniggers baiting.

>>7059268
>when you get btfo so you just repeat yourself
>but you're as lazy as you are retarded
redditors, every time.

>>7059791
>>7060038
>>7060226
YouTube doesn’t care about swimsuits and whatnot, as it doesn’t go against their policies. It’s just Cover censorship to protect sponsorships or whatnot. And this: >>7057496

>>7060940
Swimsuits were 100% about avoiding youtube bans newfagchama.

>>7060940
only 3D swimsuits, anime girl sexuality is the devil

>>7056717
Because you're a coping niji or shojo cuck

>>7059832
>more freedom would make them manjisanji
So if someone releases a slave from a prison, their freedom makes them become Nijisanji? Interesting. I will take your post into consideration.

>>7056717
Same reason some people act soulless after a close friend or family member dies

>>7060966
No one on this board was around when hololive streams were frequently shadowbanned or even outright banned sometimes for too much skin.

>>7056717
Why does the cow go Moo~!

>>7056717
Because you are a faggot. I still enjoy every single Fubuki, Lamy, Botan, Mio and IRyS streams, thanks

>>7061128
>literally listing the most soulless hololive livers
lmao

>>7060966
>Swimsuits were 100% about avoiding youtube
That’s incorrect. YouTube doesn’t ban for swimsuits. It’s just a decision Cover made.

Even Kiara showed a swimsuit on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPQNdQI_8Zc

>>7060940
One of the latest sponsored content they were involved in literally brought back the swimsuit models to get more clicks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7vQrteO1SM

Subaru's birthday goods also have swimsuit art:
https://www.geekjack.net/category/select/cid/314/pid/10720/currency/JPY

>>7061161
There's nothing stopping them from trying, but there's also nothing stopping Youtube from handing out shadowbans and deleting vods whenever they feel like it because they don't like your thumbnail art, as any Marine fan will be able to tell you in detail.
It does seem to have slowed down quite a bit recently, and they also started doing thumbnail removing, instead of just shutting down the stream out of nowhere like they used to, so it's getting better.

>>7060738
If they want to "do what they want" they are free to leave. Looking at their success its clear that Cover knows what they are doing.

>>7061154
Keep coping, faggot

>>7061252
oh for sure

If YouTube TOS actually included “no swimsuits” you could get the channels banned by reporting them. BTW, it doesn’t. There are not only tons of swimsuits on YouTube, but if it’s considered educational, there is even complete nudity.

>>7056717
because you are empty anon, the things you once derived pleasure from seem to crumble and dissolve in front of you, the hopes you once had for the future don’t feel like they matter anymore, hololive isn’t the soulless one here: that’s you

>>7061154
>lmao
Your udders are showing.

Nothing is wrong with Hololive. This is a cow thread.

>>7061077
Shion... she was still so young.

>>7061256
Do you even actually watch them? Or do you just click on their 5 minute yabai ecchi lewdbait clip and call yourself an oshi

>>7060940
>YouTube doesn’t care about swimsuits and whatnot

They absolutely do, when it's anime. Youtube is racist against Japanese culture in general and has no problem banning things they have no problems showing in western streams/videos. This filters down to EN as well, since it's still Japanese in style and focused appealing to weebs.

You see this same anti-Japanese bias in the games industry as well.

>>7061248
You just don’t understand the YouTube rules. Showing a swimsuit is completely fine, but sticking a dildo in your mouth while making sexual noises, all while in a swimsuit, is not.

>>7061288
Which is part of the reason why people complain, the double standards. That has always been the case, and brought up in these discussions.
It's not about whether or not the kind of lewd content Hololive does could theoretically be punished by youtube, it's that it was. It's bullshit, and it shouldn't have been, but it was. And so they changed. Members directly reference "I don't think Youtube-kun would like that" whenever asked about the swimsuits returning during SC reading.

>>7061350
kek

>>7061154
>Fubuki
>Soulless
How about you buy a rope and end it ?retardchama

Because Coco is gone.

>>7061371
>Youtube is racist against Japanese culture
No, it’s just Cover censorship because of sponsorships and whatnot, while they make you believe a swimsuit is against YouTube TOS.

>>7056717
Because you're a Niji Shill.

>>7061371
Exactly, like Sony demanding gore in visual novels to be censored while collecting all of the GOTY awards with their western game that is literally about what brutally murdering people does to a person, and showing it in great detail.
Not trying to start a /v/ tier discussion in here, but it is true, even if you don't think they're doing anything wrong.

>>7061505
You are fucking retarded. Japanese companies feature models in swimsuits and sexualized anime characters all of the time, including hololive's biggest sponsorship to date. >>7061185 You're also clearly a newfag, because when the swimsuit ban happened all holos were talking about it and making it clear that it was because of youtube and the frequent shadowbans and straight up bans that were happening at the time. Holo wasn't even that big in the sponsorship game to begin with.

>>7061371
>>7061560
It's not racism or anything against Japanese culture, it's because anime is for kids.

1. Twitch has much of the same rules YouTube does. Probably even more restrictive than YouTube.
2. The differences between what is allowed, is mostly being dictated by the companies.
3. Hololive would still be exactly the same even if they moved to Twitch.

>>7061639
>it's because anime is for kids.

Good idea, I'll set my niece down for some wholesome Boko no Pico

>>7061650
>something that airs on 11PM-12MN is for kids

KEK

>>7061639
I agree with you on that.

>>7061505
It doesn't matter whether it's against TOS or not, all that matters is that Youtube kept hitting them. Is ASMR with static 2D images against the TOS? Because Akirose talked about struggling to make ends meet when she suddenly got demonetized because of that. Suisei went a month without monetization for who the fuck knows what reason, I doubt even she knows up to this day. Kiara, Miko and Marine already got random bans that were apparently "by mistake" that completely deleted their channels, until the company went straight to Google to complain. If they were quickly reinstated, then clearly no rule was actually broken, but they still got banned in the first place.

>>7061650
I don't think anyone is asking for them to move to Twitch, at least I'm not. People are talking about Youtube because it's the platform they use, not because the obvious alternative would necessarily be better. Except for the chat, Jesus Christ the Youtube Desktop Chat is fucking garbage.

>>7061635
>making it clear that it was because of youtube
That’s Covers lie to the girls. If you look into it better, you would see it’s not actually the case. Swimsuits are not an automatic ban. It is likely that Cover is trying to move away from that sort of stuff, or anything perceived offensiveness.

>>7058108
>>7056717
p-pls watch NijiEN I swear they’re better!

>>7056717
Can’t say nigger or titties jokes on YouTube

>>7061750
>Is ASMR with static 2D images against the TOS? Because Akirose talked about struggling to make ends meet when she suddenly got demonetized because of that.
Actually it can be, yes. Depends. When you combine a swimsuit with sexual noises, it may in fact violate YouTube TOS. Yet a swimsuit on its own does not. Maybe there is a lack of understanding about this stuff from the girls?

>>7061800
Except that they move right back the moment they leave Youtube. Did you miss all of the dakimakura announcements recently? Lewd ASMR voice packs? Choco's bazoongas flying freely in every concert, as opposed to the censored version in her streams?
Offensive content I do think you're right, Coco herself said "people are very sensitive these days" when talking about some of the content restrictions, they don't want EOPs throwing a tantrum on twitter, that part is clear, but erotic content they don't really care. Even if they're probably wrong in not caring. Like for example how many times they made fun of shota and loli stuff in the latest Oozora Police stream. Joking so freely about that is enough reason for a twitter shitstorm, but for whatever reason Cover doesn't seem to think it is. Thank God for that.

>>7061800
You're ignoring the fact that there were actual shadowbans happening all of the time at the period, but whatever, I'll just add schizo to your list of qualifiers.

For people confused about YouTube:
1. Swimsuit = okay.
2. Swimsuit while making sexual noises = NOT okay. It’s definitely walking a line.

>>7057883
>we get chumfag pedos instead of Elira
dear God no.

hololive = going to a soulless corporate meeting, formal and no fun

nijisanji/vshojo = "oh hey, fun is allowed"

>>7056717
sterilization, or the opportunity cost of scale.

Essentially, think about it from cover's perspective. You have two options:
>Continue the creativity and environment that gave you explosive growth
This comes with inherent risk from the start, but without much to lose at first, it wasn't really worth worrying about. Worst come they start over, and with like 100k subs to the largest holochuba, it's not a big deal. That complacency against risk was a great asset for the talents while it lasted, but then the whole issue with Taiwan, the Holocaust, Chris/Aloe/CN, caused cover-corp to re-evaluate their other option, once they were grossing 2-20million/quarter:
>sterility to maintain/harvest existing viewership and related upsells (merch/promotions/etc)
Essentially, all they had to do was look at HoloEN - sterile, very low levels of SOVL (specifically Yellow and Pink), and capitalization of the moment at the expense of others, while keeping your own ass covered (Kiara). Yet, these tubers do extremely well for them financially through these promotions.

Do they either take the risk of expanding the vtuber market, appealing to wider ranges of niche audiences using their talents' individuality, or do they keep the company stable and rich at the expense of the content and "hardcore" original vtubing fans?

If your kids' college funds were hanging in the balance you'd probably kill the fun, exciting aspects of your job to keep your paycheck/distribution/dividend. The chuubas themselves are gonna suffer in terms of having a more sterile relationship with their audience, but as the actual company, Cover corporation makes massive amounts of money from the risk they already took, so re-risking what they already have is not worth it.

The original chuuba fans are being replaced slowly and surely, and as always chans are a great way to see the undercurrent in real time. Here's what I mean: take a look at threads today vs archives, both in vernacular of then and now as well as depth of conversation and medium-meta thread quantity/quality. Most people that post here aren't interested in vtubing, they care about the things most tourists care about.

Happened with /pol/ in 2016. Wish I still had the meme about original creators of a hobby/game getting kicked out of their own thing by a bunch of migrant normies, because that's exactly what's happening here like it did /pol/, most blue boards, and anywhere something interesting happens, because worthless, empty normans like to flood anything genuine and make it empty like the borderhoppers that are killing the west.

But yeah, basically Hololive is going to get more sterile the more popular it is, and will eventually become actually family friendly and fully reddit. That's the real reason they didn't like Haachama's arc, or Coco, or anything creatively risky. Where do you think Coco got the word shitposting from, and why she pronounced reddit the way she was? She's posted here, as have almost all EN chubas of all companies and indie status.

Once they get real money and a boss, shit changes. Unfortunately, it normalizes to the boring, boring mean instead of staying normie-free. This is part of Artia's appeal, which the reddit faggots who refuse to say chang properly or get church-of-left level insane for Kiara don't understand.

One thing Korone got half wrong - those things you love don't crumble, they rot from the inside out, very slowly so people like Fubuki don't leave due to it being obvious. The smart, good ones leave during the Halcyon.

I really hope matsuri and chammers follow up on Coco's wish and keep things cool new and interesting.

>inb4 summerfaggots like nu/pol/, and nijiniggers start saying their infinite copes or rant about me "not like holos" when I do

>>7062016
>Lewd ASMR voice packs?
I think people are confused. If you wear a swimsuit you’re fine, if you do it while making sexual ASMR sounds, you are not fine.

>>7061945
There was no swimsuit in those streams, just her regular Live2D model.

Hololive is the Apple of vtubers. It's not the best, it's just the most popular. Better options exist elsewhere, but people are loyal to a brand.

>>7062158
As far as I’m aware, YouTube can ban for sexual sounds even without having even an image on screen. I know that’s pretty extreme though. While swimsuits are totally fine. I think some of all this might just be a misunderstanding.

>>7062238
No one knows for sure what's fine or not. Mel was constantly shadowbanned on her return until she got a more modest outfit. Things seem to be a bit better nowadays but the Youtube AI was very screwy last year when it came to vtubers.

>>7062140
Now that the pandemic is basically over, Hololive is going to lose a lot of viewers in the Fall. No way those ironic weebs are going to stick around. I think Cover is just shooting themselves in the foot by trying to appeal to them.

>>7056717
/vt/ idea of "soulless": "I couldn't numberfags against Nijis for a week"

>>7062325
>No one knows for sure what's fine or not.
Actually people do. You can look into it yourself if you have the time. I know for a fact that you can have a completely black screen and play sexual sounds in the background, and that you can get banned or it. But if a girl is wearing a swimsuit without the associated sexual activity (which YouTube cares more about), you will not be at all.

>>7062329
Huh, where have I heard this before?
Oh yeah that's right, last summer. you were wrong then and will be wrong again.

>>7062329
>Now that the pandemic is basically over,
Nigga where

>>7056797
>same thing
didn't she have an arc recently where she had dis-associative personality disorder?

>>7062445
Mel was literally just talking and singing and yet got banned several times in a row. Several holos were getting shadowbanned before the stream even started and changing the thumbnail for something less erotic seemed to be the only fix. I don't care what youtube "says" it allows, this is what was actually happening.

>>7062160
Close enough, but in this case people are loyal to their oshis, which are actual people they want to support, so the comparison is a bit unfair.

>>7061750
>Suisei demonetized for no reason
She had uploaded a little short 15 second video of her singing We are the Champions like a massive dork after winning the Mario Kart tournament they had. That video was deleted after she got demonetized, it may or may not be the full reason but it seems like its a bit more than just a coincidence on that one.

>>7062445
You know for a fact that a certain activity triggers a potential ban. You don't know for a fact about everything that can trigger a ban, as evidenced by Mel getting shadowbans constantly in almost every stream upon her return for no discernible reason.

>>7062469
In the United States of America, the only country that matters

t. Leaf

>>7057000
Neither of those are true, anon? There was literally a shitstorm about them collabing with VShoujo like two weeks ago and many of the girls are still far from seiso.

>>7062329
>Now that the pandemic is basically over
No, the left overplayed the political hand they were building up with the wuhan flu back in 2020, and like most things the left comically do it'll bite them in the ass for at least 5 years before they lie enough for people to gaslight themselves.

People are unironically religious Scientism worshipers now, and see people who disagree with them as political enemies that need to be physically removed, and that extremism is ramped up and reciporicated. This issue's not going away any time soon, because the right won't let the left dismantle what they built now that it's inconvenient for them.

The "new wave" number whatever is coming in a month, delta variant, lambda, etc. But for the sake of argument, let's assume it really is just magically going away in people's heads in like a week or something.

You will still have people freaking out about going outside, and you have shown normies the glory and horrors of being a NEET. They're not just going to undo that kind of trauma and mental transition. Chuubas are here to stay, so are 3d-tubers.

Cover might decline, but it'll only be because true and honest fans are going to go where the true and honest content is (kiki and nade are unironically set up to capture a ton of audience and cult-following if they do it right).

Also, tourists and eternal summer never leave. They only shit places up forever thinking they own it with their "places change old man" bullshit. They're actually this retarded and empty inside.

Actually ask yourself if any of the "touch grass" "take meds" "schizo" posters were ever really human, and slap yourself for considering "yes." They have no lives, and they're here forever. LARP to make up for personality is FOREVER.

As little as I like it, Cover Corp has to consider what's best for them, and I agree with you that they're making the wrong choice, but not for themselves financially. They're just killing vtubing the more sterile they make things is all, leaving the only alternatives being real indies and fucking vshitshow.

I dunno man, I'm not down for being negative about this, but I don't see an upside outside of praying that chammers livens things up or that Shark gets really based really quick and just does what she wants.

>>7062576
That makes a lot of sense. I'd imagine it added up with her unarchived english singing karaokes getting flagged too, though, as demonetizing the whole channel just for that and taking so long to fix it would be particularly shitty, but it's youtube, so it's possible.

>>7062140
>>7062725
I don't know if we even have meds for this level of schizo

>>7062725
Shut up, stupid doomer. Take your antidepressants and leave the rest of us out of it.

>>7062524
>>7062594
The thumbnail MUST MATCH what is in the video itself. Meaning if you put an erotic thumbnail, and the video is just “talking and singing”, yes you can get a strike to your channel, as YouTube is trying to stop that sort of stuff.

>>7062803
>>7062824
see what I mean? literally all they have is "meds" "schizo" or whatever the newest summerfaggot bait on nu/pol/ is.

>>7062725
Man, if Nijisanji wasn't a thing, I would've already quit this hobby. They are the last saving grace for enthusiasts like us

>>7062868
No one is responding to that wall of text on an anonymous message board where the poster is likely either being disingenuous or is completely beyond reasoning. Fuck off with your bullshit.

>>7062868
Eat shit /pol/fag. Take your rambling back there.

>>7062915
Honest to god I never thought I'd agree with a fucking nijifanji. Seriously, I've never watched your chuubas outside of collabs with Holos.

But you're right, and even the Holo talents think you're right. I will still probably take forever to not be innately repulsed by nijis, but yeah man, Nijisanji's unironically more free than Hololive at this point, and it's awful.

You guys are alright, even if I have completely different taste.

>>7062954
>anger
>us
>we
>"fuck of/fuck up/other low-IQ normie words"
I miss when gamer words filtered you freaks from ever coming here. Peepee poopoo wasn't enough.

>>7062725
You could learn 5 Japanese words while writing all this

>>7057339
Far as I can see so far its mainly the games they want to play that are controlled, but that is due to understandable apprehension with copyright from game companies as people get pissy about what people stream about their content. If you're not known then you get under the radar but if you're not big enough to get those connections everywhere, then its hard. But didn't Suisei mention something about learning English after hearing Kiara became embassador for Bamco? It sounds like at least Bamco is slowly getting on the train since they got Calli, Kiara, and Gura. The first and third recently doing stuff for Scarlet Nexus. But on other factors like drawing or talking with viewers and random shit, they seem to be able to do quite a lot.

Though if I'm honest, I wonder if this variety show like form of entertainment isn't itself part of the problem. Like, there isn't any focus to it, and people cycle through it like they did when channel surfing. Mitigating that with randomness only gets you so far, as even that chaos people see the patterns and get bored, and the entertainers would go nuts trying to make up other strange shit to go with the strange shit they had before. Even with humans being creatures of habit, the flip side of that is the constant need for new self-indulgent stimuli. So while copyright crap and game companies can be silly, the core reasoning for that waxing and waning is because people are silly themselves. That Hololive (and vtubers in general)had the spike was honestly inevitable regardless of it being being advantageous in quarantine, but the waning is also inevitable by pure human nature to adapt and grow bored even in chaos. Making variety content is a band aid to that, not a cure.

>>7062827
Mel rarely uses fanart, unless you want to argue that her model itself is considered erotic by Youtube.

>>7061356
I watch every single Fubuki's streams, members-only included. If I miss a stream, I will watch the archive if available. If Fubuki isn't on, then it's Lamy > Botan > Mio in that order (not watching their archives if I miss their streams, though). IRyS has become my new (and only) favorite EN member recently, and so far I watched every streams of hers too, with the exception of the guerilla APEX earlier.
Is that enough for you? Although I don't think there is any point in gatekeeping people from oshi-ing Holos (or Nijis, or VShojos, or any VTuber for that matter). I wouldn't mind if a fellow FBK oshi only watch her clips, as long as they stick to her instead of oshihen-ing every weeks or so

>>7063033
you're giving far too much credit to /pol/schizo's ability to learn anything

>>7063105
He mentioned she needed: “changing the thumbnail for something less erotic”, so I explained it in better detail.

For clarification: The reason YouTube punishes channels with bikini clickbait thumbnails, isn’t because of the bikini, but because of the clickbait.

>>7057465
>Numbers are going down everywhere
This is wrong unless you only look at Pekora's number or so (since she has been on a RPG streak). See chart (with and without Coco's numbers included) up to mid-July (credit to chartanon) for reference. Yes, Pekora's average went down (and maybe some others' as well), but other members (with lower numbers) went up and pulled their average / mean up as well.

>>7063053
>But on other factors like drawing or talking with viewers and random shit, they seem to be able to do quite a lot.
Swimsuit 3d are gone forever. Marine got a strike and had to stop streaming because one thing she said on air offended one guy on twitter. Mio and Korone expressed frustration over having project canned. Even if they got permission, a lot of videos remains privayed because they never know if something they missed could bite them in the ass again. You may think the boob jokes means the holos can take about anything, but we never hear about all the things they're forbidden from doing.

>>7056717
Always has been

>>7062672
That was just two weeks ago? Jesus.

>>7056717
They are waiting for Coco to ACTIVATE IT.

>>7063520
Didn't you hear the news? Coco was caught by chinese nationalists and either turned into Mr. Xi's personal sex slave or turned into a street snacks to be sold on a streets of Wuhan region.

>>7063225
>get called out this accurately it makes you seethe this bad
Thanks for telling me I'm over the target lol

>>7063410
>You may think the boob jokes means the holos can take about anything, but we never hear about all the things they're forbidden from doing.

Its not just the boob jokes, the "shower" play, the sleepover stuff, its still there. Now, I dunno if they get demerited for it, but it still seems like they aren't forbidden from being themselves or whatever doomed fantasy people concoct in their heads.

Frankly I am kinda surprised YouTube even let them go this long without permas. It still just looks like a maturing relationship between the content creators and the platform on what they will allow. Which lets be honest, as long as Google's gains far outweigh the losses, the girls won't be completely forbidden from the ecchi or taken off the air.

>>7063373
They will of course ignore this post because it doesn't agree with their doomfag narrative.

>>7059374
Source? This looks pretty based.

>>7064036
https://www.freem.ne.jp/win/game/25118

>>7062725
unironically touch grass and talk to real people rather than getting your view of society from /pol/

>>7056717
they are top dog and play it safe
thus. eventually. you've kinda seen it all

>>7058073
>numberfagging
kys

>>7056717
But Ame is still there.

>>7058258
>>7058523
>>7059127
Cope Holonigger. Where's your proof that Niji has the policy? I want actual sources not you talking out of your ass.

>>7059158
>cuck
What?
You actually thought that you have a chance to be with these girls?
Are you actually schizo?
How about you go outside and learn actual social skills and talk to people?
Or you know... touch grass?

>>7059182
Fuck unicorns and fuck idol culture. It's the reason Lulu is not streaming right now.
>>7059279
>>7059381
Prime unicorn material. Take your meds you fucking turbovirgin.

>>7059395
Remember when every vtuber covered KING? God that was actually awful.

>>7058981
>opened the way for muritard shit in your Japanese brand that also has loli fans
That's not fucking good.

>>7059533
Baiters don't read. That's the point of baiters. To bait (you)'s. In which case I quote the sitewide consensus: Don't reply to bait.

>>7059718
You keep saying that word. I don't thnk you know what that means. You must be 18+ to post here.

>>7061505

Still the truth. YouTube isn't the problem lol. Cover is just safe.

>>7065952
>he tries to flex about being a kekold
>says shit like "touch grass" and "schizo"
>all his cold reads are wrong and bad pasta

>>7064036
Kill yourself.

>>7066243
And yet here you are calling anyone a cuck if someone even brings the idea of male collabs . NTA but unironically go outside. Really.

>>7056717
Coco died and Zhangs infested the fanbase and this board. Even Lulu died because of unicorns. I stick to indies now.

>7066243
>no argument
>doubles dosn
You want this (you) don't ya?

>>7068453
Are the chinese people in the room with you right now, anon? Maybe it's time to see a doctor?

>>7056717
It never had one, go watch a small company or an indie if you want soul

>>7069338
cover was a small company once...

>>7056717
time for some introspection. think for a second. do you actually watch hololive streams? how much do you watch out of everything they put out daily?

if "yes, a lot" but you don't enjoy it much, that means you should watch indies, niji, or whatever else out there. clearly it means hololive has changed from what you expected and there's nothing wrong with that.

but if the answer is no, and you barely watch an hour daily, then you got your answer. it's from yourself. Hololive may have stopped having interesting things happening for a bit, like a few days, and from there starts a cycle of you watching their streams less often, which then becomes the reason you're less likely to find good shit out of the little bits you do watch, and that's why you watch them less and less. your option here is to watch more streams.

you just burnt yourself out from hololive.
take a break and come back in a few weeks. it should be fun again. (if not, just watch something else.)

>>7056717
because they're busy using their drone office workers to scrounge for IRL brand deals since china aligned companies are allowed to talk to them again than to find games they can get permission to play and set up collab schedules with any coherency.

that or its just you personally losing interest. i dunno.

>>7056717
it was always souless,
newfags don't notice since holobronies haven't watched anything else other than hololive other than maybe kizunai chang,
no frame of reference, but now with all these other groups coming up you can see the contrast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxsagsTZMJA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB2lC44e7n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-aNsgmGWuw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLz8C9WRdH4&t=218s

>>7060863
holobronies*

>>7056717
Let me guess, you're an EOP who doesn't even watch streams?

>>7056717
Pendora... Don't you have to practice some Garry mod after stream?

>>7062140

honestly coco graduating and geted the short end of the stick from her company really reminds me of what happened between entum and mirai akari with eilene,
as much as people argue what the cause was, you can't deny part of it was due to creative differences very similar in coco's case, both of them were american born japanese with 4chan shitposting humor, who worked with companies that got too big for their own good, and once the company got big they shot them down the very thing that got them popular in the first place in order to be more secure or steril.
just look what happen to mirai akari after the seperation? all of her content turned from her being known for being the lewdest and most crass and brash out of the 4 heavenly kings to almost forgotten, they changed her content completely to extremely family friendly stuff like what cover is doing to hololive slowly. after coco left

>>7069664
Not him, but there is nothing interesting happening and I think is fair, Coco's graduation was the biggest event they had and the talents may want to rest a bit (without taking breaks). He should give them a month or something like that for letting them reorganize and see if they have new ideas or not

>>7063002
>polfag falseflags calling other anons polfags

truly entryism at its finest

>>7057292
I knew it. It's just EOPs watching 4 girls out of 50 and complaining

>>7057736
holy shit i vane't paid that much attention to her model, it's absolutely trash jesus christ, why did (((cover))) give her that model?

>>7060636
you first holobrony

>>7063013
i wish 7chan was still around, or at least being updated regularly,
literally all the OG anons went there, but i think it went up in smoke and died slowly.

>>7062455
literally no one said this last summer, retarded history revisionists,
unlike you newfags we know how to check archives.

>>7059381

aren't you projecting a little there?

who do you think is more of a cuck?
the people that recognize that behind the avata there is a person who has their own life who likely already have a bf/gf outside of their job or will get one in the future,
how fucking delusional do you faggots have to be to think that you somehow have a chance with some one halfway across the world (who 99% of are already in a relationship)
who is the fucking cuck again?
some of us already have a gf/bf and watch other people for entertainment, not because it makes our dick hard and we want to imagine ourselfs fucking them, which makes you a cuck since ultimately no matter who your oshi is they will eventually take another man's dick

>>7062329
>Now that the pandemic is basically over
it's basically starting now in japan

>>7066243
>watame attracts the mental patients

understandable
i realize a trend lately, all of the underage/mentally stunted posters associates with watame,
could be because of her motherly image or her tendency to act like a nurse towards people?
i guess she really does attract that crowd

>>7066292
>>>/reddit/

>>7071848
True, but keep in mind that their massive growth is due to EOPs

>>7072078
Pandemic is starting to inclining hard again

>>7072078
EOPs that are about to be hit by the rona again. Oh you got the vaccine already? Well sorry but you aren't really immune with the vaccine, you can still get it and spread it around too. Oh what is this? A new variation of the virus? Guess we'll need another vaccine.

>>7069637
>cover was a small company once...
you can say the same to the rothchilds and every oil baron,
times change, people chain, organizations change,

the triads used to be a charity organization.

the yakuza's name represents the worse possible "893" (yattsu, ku, san) hand some one could get in a card game, basically they would save people who were dealt the worst possible hand in life, look how they are now?

>>7062868
>literally all they have is "meds" "schizo"

lol. Yes. NPCs only have buzzwords to chant.

>>7066292
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Lack of permissions. It killed Hololive. There was a time when Korone would play random games like Heavy Rain and Binding Of Isaac.
Now 90% of Hololive is Minecraft ... Apex ... Minecraft ... Apex ... Minecraft ... Apex ...
Oh, we got permission for 1 new game? Let's all of us, all 25+, all stream that game at the same time!

>>7072545
based.

>>7056717
because you need to take your meds.

>>7062140
>Where do you think Coco got the word shitposting from
The term "shitposting" was already on use on many of places outside of here though. And it wasn't even a new thing either, it has been that way for several years now.
>and why she pronounced reddit the way she was?
Mind elaborating a bit on what you meant? Maybe it's because I'm a dumb ESL but I never saw anything weird about the way she pronounced that name

>>7072801
lol moar NPC buzzwords.

>>7072659
Marine said she wouldn't do it but she gave in and started bandwagoning too.

>>7056717
I thought this too. But Flare and Korone's recent streams made me rethink that.

>>7073447
Like she had a choice after years

>>7056738
fpbp

Complacency.

>>7056717
The soul left 25 days ago.

>>7063159
> Fubuki
> membership
> EOP

Based and nice to meet you , friend

>>7056717
They're too busy doing idol practice, merchandise filming, promotional filming, and fucking their boyfriend.