/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>71547914
Wow sister, you wrote an entire essay just for a shitpost?

Gura is a multi-talent, sure you can argue that she isn't the very best at something besides perhaps her levels humor and charisma, but man she woman has balance that is envied by many! She's a great person to have in EN

>it's amazing she can perform at her level feeling like that

Truly amazing she can sing 3 songs and stream for 20 hours every 12 months

>>71547995
*the woman has a balance

>>71547914
>That voice, her personality and her humor contributed to her rise to the top.
Contributed, sure. But to the vast majority she's hehe cute shark. Her rise was 80% covid restrictions, 15% cute model and voice, 4.9% talent and .1% work. She's genuinely one of the best entertainers in Hololive but she didn't need to be.

>>71548103
Agreed, she struck the market at the exact right time, with the right design, and the right type of content. The rest is all momentum

>>71547914

Most of the posters here are sub-100 iq. Unlike Niji there is not a rrat behind everything. As much as sister bait with streaming, Gura's time is much more effectively used for major sponsorship deals and growth opportunities. Same logic goes for why management pushes lapsama and Bae even though they are "hated". You have to look at the future of a business not just the past.

>>71547965
>sister
I fukd ur sister

>>71548275
>Major sponsorships deals
Her biggest deal in years has been a regional aquarium.

>>71548275
Even Mori gets bigger sponsor deals than gura nowadays.

the most talented human being to ever exist

I don't follow Gura so maybe I'm falling for shitposting, but the part that puzzles me is the ghosting. As you mentioned Marine also disappears now and then because she's too busy, but the woman won't stop giving updates, it's day after day complaining that she can't stream but wants to, that she misses talking to her fans so bad, that she's so horny she can't focus or whatever is on her mind, she never stops communicating. That's how you convince people that you actually wish you were with them. Ghosting doesn't really transmit that.

>>71548512
>>71548559

my bad thinking this wasn't a bait thread, surely i won't see another post exactly 1 minute apart

>>71548607
>No defense
You know it's true, guras washed up

>>71548603
Gura barely uses social media even back when she's active. That's just how she is

Covid had nothing to do with hololive's success. They would've blown up without it, for the sole reason that they were the only English speaking vtuber group at the time. HoloEN's debut was my introduction to vtubers as well, because the anime shit I was into at the time naturally led to vtubers being pushed into my recommendations. That had nothing to do with covid.

>>71548862
Coping, you're telling me that everyone being cooped up inside and derived of more traditional method of entertainment didn't lead to a boot for Holo? Retard, EVERY form of digital entertainment saw a boost from covid.

>>71548862
Anime was dead during covid. It had not everything, but a lot to do with it.

>>71548603
There isn't actually a puzzle, people just refuse to take the answer that does exist because they're on copium.
Which is that Gura doesn't give a fuck and feels no need to update her fans and if they start bitching about this she only ghosts them harder.
Numerous reports from co-workers and iirc even her own statements have suggested that when she's not actively doing hololive stuff she simply logs off all her accounts and doesn't involve herself with the sphere at all.
She also stated in an interview that if she feels burned out with streaming, she simply stops and "goes outside".

Regardless of her mystery illness the situation is as simple as her not feeling like streaming regularly and if she doesn't stream she's pretty much MIA from hololive entirely.
Fans can kick and scream about muh updates all they want but she's not going to change and pull random deadlines out of her ass every month just to appease them.

You might view this as disrespectful to the fans but that's exactly why people can't cope with it being the case and keep pretending it's some puzzle that must have some alternative answer that isn't just Gura not giving a fuck.

On covid.
The majority of the world might have been locked up but that first summer in 2020 in the US, when the rallies started, people refused to go back in.
Myth debuted a few months later.

>>71547914
>That voice, her personality and her humor contributed to her rise to the top.
She peaked when she went viral, exactly one syllable into her debut, and its all been downhill since.

gura stole my oshi's gimmick

>>71548862
>for the sole reason that they were the only English speaking vtuber group at the time
Tsunderia already existed prior to HoloEN, but HoloEN had the benefit of the JP side already having success.

>>71549331
WFH though. Capitalists are still fighting to claw their workers back into unnecessary office work.

>>71549141
>mystery illness
Don't be facetious anon. We all know she's trying to avoid getting Hoshino Ai'd by her rabid fanbase bc she knows I'd tell them once I found out where she ran off to with our kids

I used to like Gura but he lack of streams and obvious pay pig tactics is pretty gross, chum buds are pretty pathetic. Ame seems to follow her way but at least she play games sometimes.

>>71549798
I dont think money is her main motivator

>>71548512
Didn't she just make Sushiro Taiwan/Ipass more than a million dollars? She even got on the news and and the City Mayor took a picture with Gura Merch.

>>71550441
i don't either. she could have had so much more money if she streamed more or did more sponsored stuff. she could even do like some of the other EN, draw crude art on request for money etc

>>71548275
>Gura's time is much more effectively used for major sponsorship deals and growth opportunities.
If Gura was doing a major sponsorship every month that might be plausible but she has been frequently disappearing for months since 2022. After Sana's "graduation" they were clearly having major issues with management. While HoloEN is optimistic for 2024 it's obvious that something is still getting worked out which is the reason why several of them are doing the minimum amount of streaming allowed by their contracts.

>>71548275
Uh anon, the girl from HoloEN landing all the big deals is Mori. Gura doesn’t do jack shit by comparison

I think Gura could have gotten so much more money if she was willing to invest the time, but I guess she's fine as is. There are way more predatory members of hololive when it comes to taking advantage of fans and actively milking for money.

>>71550441
It probably is though. She just deemed it not worth putting in more effort to make slightly more money when she lives more than comfortably already. Just remember how tight-fisted she was over the cost of putting out her own covers, etc.
You don't need to be all the way like mikeneko, who wastes all her money on designer clothes and host clubs or whatever, to be considered someone who's only motivated by money.
At the very least, you know her main motivators aren't her fans, making music or making friends.

>>71547914
If this is not bait you are completely retarded

>>71551720
I don't get how you people come to the conclusion that she "spends much time" on sponsorship at all. Do you think she negotiates all this shit herself?
Most of Hololives managers are probably doing that kind of shit exclusively. The most she has to do is give an obligatory "yes, this project is okay", record a jingle - MAYBE do a 1h themed stream. That's it. The rest is just staff and artists working with her model.

>>71548275
I do wish she would stream more. But I guess it's better than the alternative of her quitting.

>>71547914
I doubt she'll return to a regular streaming schedule anytime soon.

But yes I agree, she'll always remain very charismatic and she still has that blend of cute/sarcastic behavior that I haven't quite found in any other vtuber like her. And I've watched a lot of them by now, other holos but also a good bunch of indies, phase, idol, kawaii and other corpos.

Whenever goob streams, I tune in, simple as.

>>71549611
>one of the few good fleshtubers
>never streams
It's almost like when your entire life revolves around streaming and your online clique your personality becomes insufferable. Never streaming is the mark of a great streamer ironically.

>>71548603
The difference between Marine and Gura, is that Marine is an extrovert, meanwhile Gura is obviously an introvert with social anxiety. Ghosting people is a pretty common coping mechanism in those with social anxiety... a way to deal with anxiety. Gura likely plans to communicate, but delays it for later when she will fell better, and keeps delaying, to the point where she delayed so much that now she avoids it because too much has passed and now that gives her anxiety. All she has to do then, is read 1 or 2 comments criticizing her for being AFK for so long, and she gets validated for her anxiety.

I can't see anyone ever replicating Gura's success. I doubt any other tuber would be forgiven for ghosting her viewers as much as she does.
There is literally no reason for her to put in any more effort than she is doing now.

>>71549096
Yeah... a boost... that means that they got bigger than they would have gotten without Covid, but it doesn't mean that they would have not got big.

>>71551987
Mori lands some music related deals. Gura is landing merchandising and sponsorships, and events. Is something totally different. What Mori gets, is what any artist signed with a music label would get. Gura is seen as the mascot of Hololive for a reason. Her IP is crazily valuable.

>>71552891
There are really only 3 options that explain her behavior. Major contract disputes in HoloEN that Gura keeps getting involved with that have been going on for years, actual health issues that conveniently go away when management needs her to shill merch, or she is completely burnt out from being a vtuber. That most of Myth kept delaying their membership badges over and over again while even the EN project manager was vaguely referring to slowly making changes does indicate there is more going on than what they can say.

>>71547914
Yeah she's a good singer, funny, and knows the medium of streaming well. I don't think anyone disputes that.

>>71547914
not reading your bullshit
gura is fucking shit and boring, her job is to push merch and will only show up when she needs a couple months of rent then she'll fuck off. Keep buying that microplastic and saying "shes the best" when all she is doing is stringing you along with her "I want to stream more" but doesn't show up.

There's no way Cover ever retires the character, right? Even if the talent behind Gura quits, Gura herself is too big to go away, no? Unless a Rushia-tier yab happens which I doubt anyone in EN will cause.

>>71548275
Do Chumkeks really?

All Gura has to do is tweet once in a while, it was the same issue people had with Sana who also just vanished from the face of the earth. She doesn't even have to reply to anyone or read what anybody says, just make a dumb tweet that she heard a holomems song or she saw something.

>>71554796
Unironic Sana qrd? I remember liking her humor and game taste early on, then the dog thing happened and eventually she came back ready to quit or something?

>>71547914
I'm still baffled at how big she got. I thought she was cute and silly on debut, but in the end she didn't feel excessive or special to me so I ended up dropping her. By the time I did I noticed she'd blown past all kinds of insane numbers milestones and was holo's most popular talent by a landslide. I still have no fucking clue how that happened, and why she continues to grow so fast. She was good, sure, but over double the popularity of the second largest talent in the company, and her merch is stupidly popular even internationally good? I don't understand people. I should go ask /ggg/ what makes her so great later because I really don't get it. The fact that she barely streams or shows up in person and that that doesn't even seem to matter makes it even weirder.

>>71554994
>friends with Ina
>oh all you have to is play video games as an anime girl and get paid for it
>streaming and idol stuff way more work than anticipated
>unlike Ina (who's a drawing machine) Sana takes more time to draw and is having trouble juggling her gacha artist job and hololive
>dog died, back hort, and japanese perm autism kills her desire to stream
>graduates
>streams a few times as her real self to dispel concernfag rumors that she's a complete cripple from her (real but not that serious) back injury
>never streams again

>>71555720
NTA but she's at least physically fine? that's good to know. I hope she's happy at least where she is. She clearly left an impression even if it wasn't for very long.

>>71547914
Paki-chan... Not like Desu...

>>71555720
I know this art is in reference to Frieren, but Sana's tits would actually cover all of Ina's face

>>71548103
>Her rise was 80% covid restrictions
Nah. Her past life channel was already over a million subs before she became Gura and before COVID was a thing, and all of Myth had the COVID buff but none of the others rocketed to the top of the industry the way Gura did, she left the rest of her gen in the dust.

Most of Gura's success comes from the combination of her unique voice, unique personality, and singing ability. Nobody else has all three at once, and even though there are better singers in a technical sense they don't have the multiplier buff that her voice has, or her taste in music.

>>71554796
Nobody needs to tweet. Not engaging with social media is the single most based part of Gura not giving a shit.

>>71554486
Are posts like this bait or are we actually flooded with newfags who don't understand how vtubing works because of the sticky last night?

>>71555167
people love cunny

>>71547914
She's truly the Fergie, Lauryn Hil, Gwen Stefani, and Beyoncé of Vtubing

ChatGTP says that around 5% of Mario Party mini games can be won without doing anything.

Gura is the 5%. No rrat, not even death, can prevent her from being successful. Hololive won

>>71557482
I bet it's some ChatGPT thing.

>>71557482
>>71558959
Cope.
Why would cover ever retire their most popular character? She is basically their mascot.

>>71555167
Debut stream, extremely memeable intro 'a' moment and very cute voice, kinda scuffed but that made people sympathize because she's cute, then Ride on Time was a fantastic song choice and she surprised everyone with amazing singing ability.

First gaming stream, maneater - incredibly scuffed and boring, but ended with Gura having this really vulnerable moment of being almost in tears because she wanted to show people she was a better gamer, and then a large swathe of viewers fell in love with her because it activated the PROTECT SMALL CUTE HELPLESS CHILD instincts, memeable moment with the barracuda in the midst of this.

Next gaming stream was Muse Dash, blew away everyone with her rhythm game ability being unironically 10/10 skill after setting expectations low in the previous stream, this was the one-two knockout blow set up and delivery of any great anime protag - make you care about them and want them to succeed despite hardship, then show off that they have some hidden talent or ability and there is potential here. She was speedrunning the idol journey. Also she gushed about her senpai, particularly fubuki, and people realized she was an actual Hololive fan which made her relatable and countered the early narrative that EN girls didn't care about JP stuff.

Next gaming stream was TABS, was silly and fun and lighthearted and demonstrated Gura's skill at comedy and humor. Okay she's not just good at rhythm games she can also make you laugh and not just with gimmicky memes like "a" which would have gotten old fast. Plenty of vtubers can have that one meme moment but then they fall off quickly because they don't show anything new. Gura kept evolving and quickly.

I believe after this was the extremely hyped unarchived karaoke, and then she showed more of her singing ability with slower songs, Fly Me To The Moon was the fucking killing blow, a hundred thousand goslings who would take a bullet for her were born that day, Yagoo himself acknowledged her in the chat, a legend was born.

Sometime shortly after this was Dark Deception, where Gura showed yet ANOTHER side of herself with bratty mesugaki taunting monsters and then cutekino screams running away. Every stream was something new, there was always more to her revealed in these early days.

I believe not long after this was Outlast, a game that not only played upon the strengths of the survival horror just mentioned, but in which she really got into the character and the world and got immersed and had fun. We also started getting some personal weird lore out of her and learning more about her as a person.

Sometime later we get the start of the Minecraft arc which is essentially zatsudan and start learning even more, and every new fact revealed makes her more mysterious, more fascinating, more based. She manages to be extremely autistic, extremely feminine, somewhat tomboyish even though that should be totally at odds with the previous one, funny, bratty, witty, able to interact with chat and keep up bants, has interesting ideas but sometimes fails hilariously at pulling them off, is extremely talented at very specific things and incredibly incompetent at others making you want to cheer her on no matter what. She speedran the idol experience. Then the fact that her numbers were climbing so fast became a self-sustaining effect unto itself, there was a mystique about her, the new rising star, the cute shark loli who was dominating the algorithm, it made people curious and want to know more and then they fed into the cycle until it became a vortex of the internet.

Eventually we reach the point where she hits the 1M sub mark mid stream and her chat talking about it forces her to acknowledge it, and we got the most adorable anxious, heartfelt confession ever, the admission that she was always unpopular in school, used to be bullied, didn't have a lot of friends, and she doesn't know how to deal with this popularity and didn't expect it, it hit those very same feels as the maneater stream and made her into a fucking angel because she was so humble and embarrassed and sincere.

Everything about this sequence of events was like watching the character development of an anime protag in some kind of adorable moe loli slice of life gamer girl drama and it was unfolding in real time with a real person on the other side of the screen you could interact with through chat. It's hard to explain how emotional it was if you weren't there. It was 100% earned, and the fact that she garnered so many haters and antis just by being popular only made her devoted fans circle the wagons to love her and defend her harder when she came under attack from assholes and trolls who didn't watch her and couldn't understand.

No matter how things have changed since then, those who were around for the first few months of Gura streams will never forget those feelings. I will always give Gura the benefit of the doubt when she's not streaming.

Bro, you shouldn't have made this thread. It's just magnet for gura antis.

>>71549629
I wish I knew his, for the dog

>>71555167
literally just the model

>>71547914
It's very obvious that her popularity was caused by the Covid lock down. You had a bunch of lonely young men stuck in front of a computer all day than bam "A debut stream? What's that?" Now they're hooked and since Gura's design is great for roughly 13-17 yo boys she's been their Oshi ever since.

>>71547914
She’s like The Rock or John Cena. Their popularity has outgrown the medium they started in. It’s hard not getting to see them as often as I did when they were starting, but newer stars have come along to fill that spot, and every time they return, it will be something I tune in to see. I am happy for her success and wish her all the best, and if that best means she moves on to better things, then as a fan, I will support that. Simple as.

>>71564654
I like to think a large part of it is due to her design. It’s very easy to chibify and still capture the seance of the character.

>>71564977
I'm not saying her design isn't amazing. I am saying she would just get regular numbers if not debuting at that moment.

>>71560436
She has the worst model lmao.

>>71557329
>Her past life channel was already over a million subs before she became Gura
No it wasn't. It hit 1mil a few days after Gura did

>>71564654
Then why did Kiara fall so short?
She had the same COVID buff.
That's what I always find funny with this way of thinking all of Myth had the same buff yet only Gura (With Mori as a relatively close second) has managed to have this huge cultural impact.

>>71547914
not reading all that but i really liked the song she sang in her sololive on stage1

Gura...

>>71560110
Different anon but thanks for the detailed rundown on Gura's past.

>>71566462
Unironically the chicken voice

>>71566462
Some hit other's don't that's why they debut so many girls at once.

>>71547914
She really is the Goku of Hololive

>>71547914
>but it's amazing she can perform at her level feeling like that
That's because no matter how much or how little she streams. NO ONE can make people come over to see her more than Gooba. Not even the likes of Iron Mouse can compete with that. She is still the reigning Queen of Vtubers.

>>71557329

Yea it's not that complicated. Gura managed to get a perfect combination of (almost) everything needed to be the best EN talent.

1. Great personality. Funny, witty, cute, passionate otaku, keeps up with the memes, etc. Just a strong all-rounder that isn't pigeon-holed into one thing.

2. Great karaoke singing voice. You could argue IRyS is a better technical singer but Gura's voice has this extremely inviting tone that you can't help but stop to listen to.

3. Great music selection for Western audiences - Ame probably has better music selection during karaokes but she just can't sing to the level Gura does despite the SOVL. IRyS has awful taste in music if you don't care for old anime. And Calli caters only to a very specific crowd.

4. Great game selection - Gura actually plays games people like to watch.

5. Extremely cute model. It's a bit scuffed but it adds to the charm.

Despite the memes, Mumei really is like a nerfed Gura. She has a lot of similar attributes and abilities but none of them are "great", merely "good". Like a 70% version of her. Yet we can see that Mumei was the first of EN2 to hit 1 mil outside of the COVID buff.

>>71566714
Unironically one of the better (read: not mentally ill) takes on Gura I've read.

>>71566462
Other than the chicken voice, Kiara's personality is rather hit and miss. If you like Kiara, you really like her. You like how open she is with her struggles, how she whines sometimes, the JRPGs she plays, the deep idol otaku she is, etc. On the other hand, Gura/Ame/Ina are much easier to get into and be a general fan of. Gura and Ame are haha funny streamer. Ina is a fantastic artist and has a great voice. And despite the hate Calli gets, there's no denying that she's a hardworking machine and genuinely good producer even if you don't like her music. And Japan loves their gaijin rap.

>>71568915
This is pure insanity

>>71568165
Almost like Gura is exceptionally talented and that's why she exploded to such a great degree and not just 80% because of the COVID buff that all her gen had as some say

>>71547914
My dislike for her isn't shitposting. I probably threw $400 at her back in the day with supers and over a year of membership. I dislike her now because she couldn't make it any more obvious she doesn't give two shits about her fans beyond as piggie banks. Not even worth a few seconds to tweet Christmas well wishes. I came to realize she's no better than the Pokemanes of the world looking down her nose at her pay piggies as broke boys. She deserves all the shit she's getting and more.

>>71547965
zoomers would call a paragraph a novel and an essay a book series, fucking christ

>>71569222
keep coping

>>71547914
>Can we, without shitposting, talk about...
No

>>71569292
>exceptionally talented
If Gura traded places with Fuwamoco, she'd be the runt of Advent while FWMC would be surpassing CookieSwirlC as the most subbed vtubers.

>>71569292
This would imply that she is the most talented vtuber in existence.

>>71566462
The model and not being a shrill chicken. All of myth got huge, she got huger.

>>71569292
The singing talent probably helped but the number of those millions who subbed for her wit instead of just hehe cute shork is minimal

>>71547914
>I know she talked about burnout last year, but it's amazing she can perform at her level feeling like that
Because she isn't actually not doing nothing. Did you know there is a collab with some asian Sushi restaraunt chain that is entirely about Gura and when you sit there, there are little screens with Gura talking about the food? Or that there was aquarium collab with Gura in Japan where she did a voiced tour telling visitors about the animals with a show where a fish swarm in huge aquarium moves to Reflect?She is pretty fucking profitable and out there doing work for Cover (unfortunately in ways that doesn't really appear on the radar or benefits her western streaming fans) and since she is obviously not the highest energy when it comes to content output she just can't handle doing that work and also have a active streaming schedule at the same time. That she somehow appears to have a busier schedule than the other Myth members whenever she is in Japan should give a clue to that.

What was up with that line in myth karaoke where kiara tried gura to do a stream and gura put her foot down and said she'd record something and send it to kiara?
it's implied that she either can't stream at home because for example noises or doesn't feel comfortable with it (opsec, paranoia, literal schizo)

Gura at this point is more of a mascot character than a streamer.

>>71572443
very true

>>71547965
anon...an essay is probably 30 times that

>>71570562
How can you tell?
besides being cute is also part of her personality.
>>71570217
She is the most talented from the people that had the same circumstances as her (her genmates).
She is highly talented among talented people

>>71570163
Not really.
Part of their success is that they had their sad backstory.

>>71547914
>not all luck
What skill allows me to win without ever trying?

>>71548512
>>71550945
OH NO NO NO

>>71547914
Must be frustrating how she mogs the entirety of Nijisanji, while Nijisanji asks new talents to compete with her. Meanwhile she is taking time off (which Cover allows her to do), to sort her health issues and try to keep up with Cons / sponsorships.
Envy is an ugly thing sisters.

>>71578885
>Part of their success is that they had their sad backstory.
This is just silly. Who sits down and thinks "I won't watch this, these girls aren't sad enough"? Maybe it motivated some extra superchats but not viewership.

>>71583104
Nigga look at Doki or Iron Mouse.

>>71547914
without shitposting gula needs lape collection

>>71547914
you have the loli market coming for her which is high in demand
OP ask yourself how many loli vtuber are there

>>71549611
will he ever finish the book?

>>71547914
no because it's not interesting at all and i wish you faggots would shut the fuck up and stop shitting up the catalog

>>71548512
>Her biggest deal in years has been a regional aquarium.
All merch sold out by day 3 of Guranium. With 1 limit per person, that's a lot of tickets for their off-season; especially a 5-8 hour bus ride from Tokyo.
20,000 merch sold out on day 2 of Shushiro Taiwan. You have to eat a ton before even being allowed to buy the merch.
Both events were meant to last a month. Gura keeps getting underestimated.
Her Nendo was just rereleased for the third time.
No doubt there is a queue for Gura sponsorships now.

The IP power of the stars of Hololive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flGVlL622p4

>>71578712
I fail to see how that relates to what I said.
She has the most subs and has made the most cultural impact of any Vtuber. If we go by your assumption that she got to where she was through sheer skill and there were limited external factors than she is the best Vtuber of all time.
This is of course not true as there are plenty of Vtubers that are as good as her who did not have the good fortune of debuting at a moment where 80% of humanity was barred from leaving their homes.

>>71547914
Gura still wins by popularity for EN.

Listen to Gura:
https://twitter.com/gawrgura/status/1769102284963582022

>>71547914
Gotta be a shitpost. Gotta be.

stop glazing so damn hard and tell her to stream

>>71592192
>>71593338
Cope
O
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>>71547914
She WAS the face of Hololive.
Now she's just a mascot who doesn't stream :(

>>71547914
Whoa nigga
Did you expect me to read all of that?

>>71599594
>She WAS the face of Hololive.
The face of HoloEN*