/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>71892818
That's pretty cute

>>71892818
Gura would get kidnapped by a japanese ojisan if left to her own devices.

>>71892818
She is as small as La+, shorter than Kobo even. If anyone found her by herself and knew she was Gura she would get kidnapped.

>>71892818
I won't give this clip a view unless I know who made it.

>>71892818
But she's actually pretty well-spoken. Most socially anxious people would not be this naturally charismatic

>Kiara
bye

>>71892818
>Gura, I want to talk to you but I'm scared to approach you
>You look really silent and shy
>I don't feel comfortable to approach you
-Kobo, today

>>71894256
gomi simpington

>>71894942
that's a good channel, usually funny and not clickbaity

>>71892818
And? Does she owe her coworkers sociability now? She's a lazy piece of shit that doesn't stream, that's the relevant issue.

Gura's overpowered stats as an entertainer tend to get people to forget she's a sheltered kid that probably needs to be able to disappear behind a leader as needed.

>>71894256
holy schizo

Kiara literally owns Gura, probably even uses her as a footrest.

>>71894463
she really said that? damn

>>71896173
I'm not giving views if it's some nobody using a post here as an ad.
>>71894942
Thanks.

>>71896240
It's pretty much word-for-word but she's esl and probably didn't intend for it to sound as negative as it did

>>71892818
this isn't new

sametoriGODS, it's time to reap our due rewards
jokes aside, their friendship is really cute, i'm glad they bonded

>>71896638
It's been cute and interesting to watch HoloEN relationships change over the years. The de facto pairs at debut were Ame/Gura and Mori/Kiara. You can tell who hit it off well at once and who ended up growing closer with deeper familiarity.

>>71894357
Nah, I get it. Without the feeling of being in an actual social situation (i.e. online) people get a lot more well-spoken than they are in person and put on the spot

>>71894357
Gura has natural charisma so it does seem unlikely that shyness is the only reason that Myth has been acting fishy. Japanese companies usually have management issues when running a western subsidiary because of cultural differences. Nijisanji gets most of the attention because of the frequent scandals but Hololive was having their own issues which became noticeably worse in 2022 and 2023.

>>71894357
>>71897046
My siblings and I are all highly charismatic social wrecks. You can end up learning how to fake it as a sort of survival mechanism from coming up in certain kinds of families, but it's never natural and very very exhausting. Everything about Gura's way of talking when she didn't realize her mic was on and how she becomes a follower when not 'on' and how she seems burnt out in a bad way lately is very very very familiar.

>>71894463
>>71896240
>>71896579
I mean I get it, there's that star factor and the fact that Gura just doesn't seem too easy to approach since shes reserved outside of her shell, that's why I mentioned a while back to another anon that if you want to talk to Gura you may need a mediator or balls of steel like Marine

>>71892818
Can you blame her.

>be nobody
>want to have some fun on the intertoobs
>shitpost some karaoke streams on twitch and archive some songs on youtube
>fucking explode in popularity and get declared the meme queen of the decade
>get severe anxiety attack and retreat into your shell
>apply to hololive, might as well, good job and a salary
>fucking EXPLODE and become the top 'everything' everywhere
>you are now the face of 'Japanese vTubers', 'English vTubers', twitch streamers, hololive in it's entirety, any girl streamer with an anime avatar ever
>be expected to stream 200% hyper energy every fucking day for years with people you don't know in real life

Aww, gee, I wonder why she's so anxious?

>>71897390
Honestly despite muh orange woman bad it honestly is good Gura has Kiara as a friend she feels comfortable to confide in, I fully believe Kiara will watch her back when they're together

>>71897390
>>71897461
This. Kiara has the right kind of assertive/protective mom energy I think Gura needs right now. In a completely serious not-araaramommy sense. She got pushed to the peak of her entire industry and now she needs someone to hold the hand of and hide behind while her nerves unfray.

>>71897461
>>71897634
Fucking anyone would be a good friend and emotional shield for her right now. Just imagine a day in her shork shoes. Not just the happy parts, but the 'grim reality of actually being a popular celebrity' parts.
Good on Kiara for picking up the plate and helping.

>>71892818
She as bad as Aqua and Pekora if not worst when it comes to meeting people.

>>71897461
Kiara also prepared herself for the star lifestyle since she was a teenager. She ended up never needing that for herself, but it can probably still be of help to Gura.

>>71892818
NO REALLY?
We've only known for 3 years!

>>71897390
Oh no millions of dollars whatever will she doooooo

>>71892818
Kiara speaks like that now?

>>71898801
Have an existential crisis because there's nothing left to do in life because she's reached the top in record time and now has to develop not merely greater but entirely different ambitions or sit and rot on her pile of money and fame while people want her to never change, thereby putting her in a no-win situation where she must either commit to a bit she's already perfected for the rest of her life or fall from the peak by choosing a different mountain.

It's the deal with the devil all highly successful child stars make, and why most of them end up alcoholics or dead of an overdose.

>>71898862
Welcome to the last 2 years, coma-kun

>>71892818
>Gura eats pork
I told you faggots she's not Jewish. Get fucked.

>>71897390
>be expected to stream 200% hyper energy every fucking day for years
Pretty sure nobody would mind if she streamed alone 2-3 times a week and it was mostly mellow solo zatsudans

>>71898944
Are you trans or something? Normal people don't think like that, and substance abuse only happens because those rich kids become party animals, they're not depressed at all.

>>71897871
I feel Kiara is able to be so close to Gura because of professional trust. Probably the only Myth member that didn't want to leech off her in the end despite the natural connection she has with Mori or Ame. Mori was a huge bitch then, Ame greedy and Ina too passive after losing Sana.

>>71899400
>Normal people don't think like that
Nigger you are on a board full of autists talking about vtubers. What the fuck do you know about "normal" people?

>>71899400
Normal people do think like that because American toxic individualist/competitive culture has infested the world

>>71899454
Kiara has a natural knack for seizing control of social situations. Probably makes Goob feel safe in a place where she doesn't speak the language.

She is unironically schizoid, speaking as a schizoid person. The avoidance of intimacy and close relationships under the veneer of normalcy is what gives it away.

>>71899400
No, just diagnosed autistic.

Also, I don't know anyone on the planet that would disagree that child/young actors/entertainers overwhelmingly end up complete and total chemically-dependent wrecks. This has been an open secret for 40 years. "They become party animals", yeah, they're chasing an unattainable dopamine/seratonin high because nothing will ever compare to reaching the top at a young age ever again. You have to restructure your entire value system and life into something more mentally sustainable and that feels like failure or a letdown to lots of people. Most end up chasing the dragon instead and burn out spectacularly until they wrap their Lamborghini around a tree at 100mph.

>>71899568
I fit a lot of the criteria for schizoid simply by being incredibly lazy. Coincidentally so is the shork.

>>71898801
You fucking stupid or something, sis? Why do all those hollywood celebs turn to drugs, booze, fucking scientology and God knows what else just to stay sane? Money ain't everything. Especially if you get a culture shock of 'zero to top dog' in a fucking year.

>>71899393
Tell that to someone with severe depresso. They wouldn't mind either. Psychology gets in the way.

>>71899400
>99% of lottery winners are just party animals. If I won, I'd spend my money wisely. Lmao at psychology fags

>>71899579
Every now and then you'll get the smart kind of young actor that realizes what they're stepping in to and go "nope, fuck this." You know that kid that played Geoffrey on Game of Thrones? He went dark for like six years.

NO FUCKING WAY, WHO COULD'VE SEEN THIS COMING!
Now, in all seriousness, hasn't she been like this since like HER days? I ask because I didn't watch her streams back then, but from the few things that you can watch of that time, it seems that she hasn't changed that much since then, but all in all, I haven't watched a single Gura stream in a long time either.
Anyways, she always apperead to me as she has some sort of depression, but that may be me projecting a few thing onto her lol.

>>71900056
Yeah, they gave someone having a tough time the biggest break of her life and she rode that rocket to the moon. The problem is how to come back down after.

>>71898295
Aqua is doing fine, she mostly hams up her social anxiety on stream for content nowadays. It's pretty easy too tell.
Pekora though... She's probably worse than Gura. Pekora is not just shy, she basically avoids others as much as possible. She's nothing like how she acts on stream.

>>71897390
Gura wasn't a nobody when she started back then. She has three silver play buttons.

>>71900129
I don't think that's giving her enough credit honestly. She didn't just catch lightning in a bottle by chance. Ironically her social problems are part of the reason her popularity exploded. Being socially relevant because you're socially awkward is a monumental juxtaposition and it's not an easy thing to work around.

>>71894357
Being well spoken doesn’t exclude someone from being socially anxious, that’s how I do it too. Faking it until you make it or maybe something subconscious where I overcompensate to sound normal in front of others but burn out from social situations when I’m by myself and left to think inside my head

>>71900358
Newfag-kun...
Gura might have not started with play buttons. Someone else did. Do your reps.

>>71900529
le sekrit knowledge

>>71900424
Sure, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. But she was developing into an alcoholic before shork already, and one of her hot mic moments had her drinking vodka to prepare for shork stream. I don't pretend to understand why but there seems to be a need for an organic natural narrative curve to one's efforts and success, and hololive plucked her out of a dark spot and gave her the literal opportunity of a lifetime. It's like a movie hard-cutting to a different story at the hero's lowest point but with the same actor. Now she's on the other side of the whiplash and will have to confront the things that put her in the dark spot to begin with while also dealing with global fame.

I think chalking it up to 'social anxiety' is actually downplaying the problem and I sincerely hope she gets some professional counseling.

>>71899796
>Tell that to someone with severe depresso. They wouldn't mind either. Psychology gets in the way.
I'm just saying the expectations aren't as high as you implied. People just wanna hear her voice saying goofy stuff without three-month breaks

>>71898801
>uhhhhh people have it much worse off than you so you don’t have a right to ever feel sad!!!!
>uhhhh people are much richer than you but feel sad sometimes so you’re a in comparison who has no right to feel happy!!
people live in a 1st world country and have a life a million times better than a starving kid in africa, and yet they’ll find a reason to complain or feel sad about in their life.

>>71900864
Human assessment of desirable or undesirable is a system that's calibrated by your environment. The saddest person in America is as sad as the saddest person in Zimbabwe, we just have different parameters on how to get there. Your brain automatically and involuntarily moves goalposts and it's going to be a serious problem as we remove more and more 'real' problems from developed societies.

Hell, it's how we got 'an hero', when a kid offed himself because his iPod broke.

>>71899796
>99% of lottery winners are just party animals. If I won, I'd spend my money wisely. Lmao at psychology fags
NTA but I would, and it's specifically because I'm extremely not normal and don't value things like social status. That guy is saying the opposite, implying normal people aren't vulnerable to that sort of thinking and pressure (lmao)

>>71898801
Money is not that important when you have food/health/shelter secured.

>>71900733
>I'm just saying the expectations aren't as high as you implied
Anon... not to be rude, but you have no Idea what actual depression really is. Again, there's a reason all those celebs, CEOs and very well off people put a shotgun in their mouths. Psychology is a very complex thing. The only thing we see of Gooba is the carefully curated mask she presents to us. Everything else is inference, gossip and very rare slip offs.

>>71897390
It all sounds like she lacks a good manager that would be her friend too.

>>71896638
>>71896782
this is going to sound way more fucked up than I mean it. Kiara was always the runt. she said in school she had one friend and she was always the least popular myth girl and I am sure someone like Kiara reads about herself. I think part of why Kiara started hanging out with Gura/why she loves being Gura's best friend is that she gets to brag to the fans about being the bff to the popular girl.

>>71900981
I've never quite understood why this is supposed to be a problem. Like if you can have a bunch of sad people with food and healthcare or a bunch of sad people with malnutrition and malaria the choice is obvious. Yeah I guess it makes people unprepared for when things get worse but when things get worse in Zimbabwe a shitload of people die in agony anyway because things were already really bad.

>>71901077
Bitch I'm literally just talking about your claim that she's expected to do frequent high-energy streams and collabs. She's just not. If she is in her head that's her problem, but that's not what you said.

>>71894357
>But she's actually pretty well-spoken
online.

>yet another hololive member getting shit on by Kiara
Hmmm wonder why no one wants to collab with her?

>>71901033
>all they 99% peoples is stupid
>I'd pull off the utopia
>I'd be the hero of legends
No, you wouldn't. There's a reason why that didn't happen before. 20k+ years of human history before.

>>71901184
Maybe. But you can't expect a regular media manager to be a PhD Psychiatrist too.

>>71901317
>it's her fault
Cool. Tell that to your "patient". Scream in his/her face that they're just being a bitch and should just suck it up. Don't forget to rant about their recent failures too.

>>71901460
You're overstating it with the shit on part but I do agree with the sentiment, you know if you hang out with Kiara that every detail will be public knowledge.

>>71901263
Because the sufficiently sad people will find increasingly creative ways to ruin themselves and everything around them no matter if they're hungry or not.

Imagine what is it like for this small and extremely introverted girl to be the face of vtubers across the world and known as the number 1 vtuber.

She is so overwhelmed by it, no wonder she got depressed.

>>71901529
>No, you wouldn't. There's a reason why that didn't happen before. 20k+ years of human history before.
What? I meant the literal lottery example, not that I'm some kind of perfect rational god who never fucks up. I love fucking up, I just have a personality that's resistant to wasteful spending, gambling and such. It's not like EVERY lottery winner loses it all.

>>71894357
I don't think her charisma is very natural. It's something she puts on top of her natural cuteness when entertaining people.

>>71901540
She has the personality of that one stacy in high school who would make fun of you for playing videogames or some shit
The exact type of woman I'm trying to avoid by watching hololive
I don’t understand her fans but if they can tolerate her good for them I guess

>>71901529
>Cool. Tell that to your "patient". Scream in his/her face that they're just being a bitch and should just suck it up. Don't forget to rant about their recent failures too.
Holy shit I don't care about her fucking sadbrains, I quoted the line of that post I was talking about and it was entirely about external expectations you tremendous cocksucker, stop (You)ing me with shit about depression

>>71898862
she's sick but also yea it got deeper naturally

>>71901223
I think it's political, the tone changes with the introduction of certain personalities with Promise who are far left, this shifted the political balance within the whole of English to left and meant Gura, the hold-out, was left more or less alone. The other girls would have viewed this as self-promotional because her loli persona is dependent upon purity, she was the true hold-out when it came to boys and her not relenting meant that the whole of English couldn't present a united "not my fault" front on the subject and instead became individually responsible for their politics on the matter. This ranged from gems such as "You guys have female friends, don't you?" from what I suspect is the main far-left supporter and the member I think tipped the balance with the other key piece probably being Calli.

The actual situation is nobody but the unpopular Kiara, taking no real risks at this point anyway, will even speak to Gura. The others have wormed their way into a full female-shunning blockcade that's probably at this point just enforced by staff to prolong Gura's career.

Everyone can get out of the pool now, we're not allowed to know it's all because of SJW bullying and trash behavior, we're not allowed to know it's because troons. Here comes the cleaning beam.

>>71901560
So everyone might as well have nice full bellies while they do it. I don't see your point.

I wish Kiara would live next to Gura.

>>71899568
we know she's part of the based crew

>>71899393
Her chat, her members chat, her youtube comments, her twitter comments, probably her manager and her coworkers will say this same thing to her over and over and over and over and over again.

Do you think it works? That's not how the humam mind works at all, she is overwhelmed and believes that she is a impostor, that she doesn't deserve to be there, that as the number one she has to do better and better even though she didn't get popular due to extremely creative content or her dancing or singing, she got popular due to her charm alone.
Hololive has better content creators than her, better gamers than her, better dancers than her and better singers than her. But everybody loves her because regardless of her talents, and that is a talent itself, people just want to hear her voice, see her being herself because she is so cute, and that's it.
But she can't help it because she is depressed, no matter who tells her that she is perfect the way she is.

>>71901926
Would explain Ame too

>>71902015
I don't care. I never talked about her response to expectations. You are retarded and can't read.

>>71901777
No offense, but you're either very young, or very rich.
>I love fucking up, I just have a personality that's resistant to wasteful spending
As opposed to all those people that sniper hawked every coupon, every discount, every sale ever. All of them were geniuses with their money, up until "money wasn't a problem". Don't for a second think that your smarter and wiser than the average common pleb.

>>71901897
>stop (you)ing me about how her mental state affects her real life decisions
Ok, chill. You're right.

>>71901926
"Gura is a conservative" is cope on a level the average chumbud could never aspire to, what an exemplar

>>71892818
>>71894463
>>71896036
>>71900056
>an introvert living with their parents thrown out into the brightest spotlight
>suddenly the breadwinner of the family with dad and staff making off with your playbutton
>has to deal with Japanese entertainment contracts that have broken stronger people
>suddenly public dancing and singing
>competing with professional idols with years of experience where as you made "funny ha ha" shitposting videos
>suddenly mascot status that pushes the company and your branch forward
>become the face of vtubing when you'd rather hide
>resented by gemmate early on
>treated like a rare exotic animal outside EN
>gets attack for existing first year and beyond by people you don't even know
>mental and physical health struggles are publicly discussed
>other idols won't even sit at your table or come talk to you now
>the resentful gemmate is now your closet friend
>can't quit cause you'd bring down Myth and damage EN
>might have to deal with the same force that broke Coco in the future
Some of this might be a factor for Gura.

>>71901955
I'm not saying they shouldn't. I'm saying the system that keeps them fed will rot from the inside as they indulge in self-soothing compulsions. Think the entire colonies of heroin users ODing in broad daylight on the streets of Los Angeles. None of those people are starving to death, even if they eat less often than they'd like. None of them have ever experienced violent civil war or their grandma's house getting drone striked because an uncle left some weapons in the garage. And yet they will, usually unintentionally even, become a blight on their environment.

At some point a society moves the goalposts on 'minimal level of accommodation' so many times that it can't anymore, and the population becomes a resource sink that starts destroying people that didn't want anything to do with their choice of coping mechanisms. Your mom and pop shop losing business because the tweakers have decided to camp on the curb out front is as close to a visual definition of 'degeneracy' as their could be.

It's a problem because trying to placate humans with decreasingly demanding living environments seems to be a sort of dragon we're chasing ourselves. Well-meaning but ultimately unattainable because the brain will just move the goalpost one step further than reality can support. Frankly I don't see how it gets solved without direct intervention in biological processes, be it chemically, genetically, or cybernetically.

>>71902169
Just from watching her streams, she sometimes lets go some information.
She lived her entire life in a deep red state, religious family, she likes guns and etc.
But I doubt that she cares about politics much, she just has a lot of conservative values from growing up.

>>71902123
My dude, 50% of people are smarter and wiser than the average common pleb by definition. I'm sure I have an inflated opinion of myself like most people do, but even those sensational statistics about lottery winners say only like 70% lose it all. Those aren't even hard odds to beat.

>>71902425
I remember she said her dad is big into NASCAR, she lived super rural for a while and the only thing that delivered out as far as she lived was a pizza place, and at one point she accidentally let slip a QAnon tagline she probably heard her parents repeat or something.

>>71902362
I mean yeah, utopia would be cool, but I'll take "degeneracy" over starvation and disease and so would everyone else. There's a reason people flock to rotten countries like the US from poor ones and not the other way around.

What if she's doing just fine and you guys are just dramatic autists?

>>71902650
I'm not sure what we're disagreeing on.

I'm just saying we've done such a good job at making life easy we're coming up on some kind of twisted 'problem deflation' anomaly where increasingly irrelevant details will become emotionally catastrophic to a population that has never had 'real' problems because the brain can only calibrate its response ranges to what it has experienced.

>>71901223
Kiara is a legit good person though, you can tell that much.
She is outspoken but she deeply cares about others and don't like seeing people being left out.
When Gura is in crowded places, and that has been like this forever, she always retreats somewhere and sits by herself away from others. And when Kiara sees it, she will always quietly move to where Gura is and keep her company.

>>71902762
Kiara doesn't care about others, she cares about what others think of her. There's a difference.

>>71902437
> 50% of people are smarter and wiser than the average common pleb by definition
>wiser
You have a lot of catching up to do when it comes to the term "wise". It's not about that "IQ test" you've taken in your teens. Those hags that haggle for a turnip or a piece of bread at the market? Again, they do it for a reason. If you're rich enough to order groceries online, you're too privileged to understand their plight.

>>71902734
She is in no way, shape or form doing just fine.
If you watched her since her debut, you'd notice how her demeanor has changed even though she is constantly trying to sound cheerful.

qrd? too lazy to watch

>>71902285
>>suddenly the breadwinner of the family
Gura's parents hit the boomer lotto. I am pretty sure they are retired. We know how much the top 20 girls at cover are paid on average each year and assuming there isn't something weird where Gura is way off and fucking up the average, Gura's parents have more money than she does. Also it isn't like Mori where Mori said her stepdad was loaded so Mori grew up rich. Gura grew up middle class, but around the time Gura got big her parents got rich as fuck off something unrelated to Gura

>>71892818
This whole narrative fell apart when she said Gura is the one who got up first. If Gura was a follower lapdop she would've only gotten up if Kiara did. Instead, she stayed behind to be nice and keep Kiara company. Also she probably doesn't eat out overseas much so she only followed Kiara's food options since it's been "approved" as something that's not gross. Kiara will probably manipulate Gura this way to keep her isolated to keep her as her "bestie".

>>71903033
gura was too autistic to get food, so she had kiara act like a parent to a toddler getting food for her

>>71892818
>mid 20s grown ass women
>still behaves like this
Stupid bitch

>>71897349
Guras stuck up as fuck anon

>>71902895
Alright faggot cut the bullshit. What percentage of people do you think could handle winning the lottery without wasting it all? Ballpark. Because either you're a lunatic who thinks the graph of human "wisdom" is all clustered in a 99.9% spike at "IDIOT MORON" or you're just spewing whatever platitudes you think will make you still look smart when you got caught implying something that retarded.

>>71897209
anon we are talking about real people, not those that exist only in your mind

>>71892818
it is common knowledge

>>71892818
Didn't we already know this well before Gura went her long ass on-off hiatus?

>>71903102
Gura doesn't need any help at getting isolated...
She has crippling eating anxiety too, so it makes sense how she would need to basically follow someone she trusts.

>>71903159
Not now sister

>>71897871
The grim reality of being a millionaire by streaming once ina blue moon playing games and dancing for otakus? Damn dude sounds fucking insane, so hard. I feel so bad for her, taht is so fucking crazy hard.

>>71903102
As someone with the same brain problems, I can explain. She saw everyone was getting up and going, so she thought she is also supposed to go. But then she saw Kiara wasn't going, so now she doesn't know what she is supposed to do, what is the socially correct thing to do. So she decided to just follow Kiara's example.

>>71892818
Holy shit she sounds so different from what I remember.
Is this mike settings for the stream or did she drop the fake chimken accent?

>>71903259
I don't like strawmanning but you talk like someone who is super broke.
People always yearn for something they don't have.

The real question is why didn't Kiara want to wait in line and socialize with the others. Is she hated now?

>>71903304
She dropped the chicken accent and that was a while ago. I think around two years now? That forced accent was raping her vocal chords.

>>71903387
She is too outspoken and sincere, this kind of person often gets avoided

>>71903199
>What percentage of people do you think could handle winning the lottery without wasting it all
Like 1% at most? History and shit, bro. Not to mention the miasma of distributions. Once a fucking'gain there are reasons why lottery winners, or children of rich CEOs don't continue their forefather's legacies.

>>71897209
personally i can do really well socially for 2-3 hours, laugh, make jokes, nod and smile at the right time, the whole nine. after that though I've got to sleep a good twelve hours straight or it feels like I've got a hangover.

>>71892818
She's reading way too much into it

>>71903491
NTA, but if I ever become wealthy I'm putting that shit in investments rather than liquid capital, then putting all THAT in a trust with all kinds of safeguards and caveats.

>>71903544
Exactly. In my case it's considered a symptom of highly-masked autism. Merely talking to someone online (or even in a thread like this) can be very draining. And yet people will tell me how nice and charming and pleasant I am, meanwhile I want to vanish. Then I have to go deep-cover unplug for bare minimum several hours. Phone off, PC ideally powered off or at least screens off, etc.

I've tried actively unmasking a little and I feel like a sheet of drywall when I'm not 'putting on my face', so to speak.

>>71901540
I seem to remember Kiara saying she usually asks Gura if shes okay with her talking about something though

>>71901223
>she loves being Gura's best friend is that she gets to brag to the fans about being the bff to the popular girl
That logic mostly falls apart because Kiara doesn't actually do that much. She talks about Gura when relevant, but she hangs off Ina way way more.
What you said is generally true, but the conclusion doesn't add up. Its more simple that Kiara likes being nice to people, because it makes her feel "needed". Guras popularity has nothing to do with it.

>>71903491
So yes, you are a monumental retard. Again even the sensationalist, untrue statistic that's supposed to make you think it's very common is 70%. You're just making shit up to support your dumb worldview that everyone's as retarded as you.

>>71899454
Kiara was the biggest leech in EN, she just also became genuine friends with all of Myth

>>71901926
Hololive is one of the most apolitical entertainment businesses out there right now, stop being a schizo
The only ones who’ve brought left leaning politics into Holo are Omega and Altare, which doesn’t matter because Omega is gone and barely anyone gives a fuck about Holostars so nobody outside of /here/ even knew that he “supports the cause”

>>71903296
this

>>71903757
I concede, king. Have all the penthouse, hooker and coke parties you want. Either through a lottery or on your parent's dime. It will never come to bite you in the ass.
Though, if you're an Arab Sheik, why the fuck are you even here?

>>71904275
Thanks. I accept your concession.

>>71904114
Cover as a company is apolitical, but they hire exclusively terminally online zoomers with histories of Twitter/Tumblr/YouTube media production, and that's a pretty monopolar demographic. Kiara is full eurobrainrot "I won't tell anyone incest is wrong as long as they really want it". Kronii is a known alphabet soup pronoun-wearer. Regis "not going to play Hogwarts because 'gotta support the cause'" Altare. Those were his actual words btw. Ina strikes me as a much milder 'never tell anyone what they want is wrong' than Kiara, but still.

Mori has hardboiled American ideals but exists in the music/art space so she's kind of tempered on them, but Goomba seems relatively vulnerable to pressure. NTA, but I could kind of see this clique forming.

>>71892818
This is just autism
I know because
>t.autist

>>71904275
How the hell do you even associate 'would be careful with lottery money' with 'rich wastrel'? I'm a shut-in who only buys food and necessities and never talks to anyone. My disinterest in hooker and coke parties (and in talking to people who would try to scam me) is exactly why I don't think I'd lose it.

>>71896638
As someone who had a dynamic like this I love their friendship, also I’m sure kiara is getting a kick out of controlling such a small individual where she just says yes unconditionally and follows you around like a child.

>>71904907
May we all be so fortunate someday.

>>71903296
>>71903102
>gets up to go assuming everyone will go together
>realizes only she got up and she'd be alone with a bunch of nips is she went now
>decides to sit back down
Not that complicated

>>71905037
And of course she wouldn't have this problem if she did her reps, but she didn't despite a huge JP fanbase, because she's - say it with me everyone - a lazy piece of shit.

>>71905037
Oh no, being "alone" among a group of people who all want to suck you clit, how nerve-wracking.

That narrative only makes sense if she was truly going to be standing by herself while everyone else socializes with each other. That is an actual awkward situation which introverts try to avoid. Gura was more likely just being a good friend to Kiara, who chose not to go herself for some reason, likely being that she's not liked, and Gura knows that.

>>71905192
Not now sister, nijisanji’s failing company is down the hall and to the left

>>71902015
>she didn't get popular due to extremely creative content or her dancing or singing, she got popular due to her charm alone
*due to pedobait alone

>>71904578
Your limited knowledge of who and what you are, are yours alone. I'm no infallible judge, I'm the same, if not worse. I'm just pointing out the statistics.
Fucking everyone that had a spike in their regular earnings promised everyone around them, and especially themselves, that everything is about to change for the better. A month later they're the ones squatting by the grocery store's entrance with a hat in hand, begging for spare change.
My point is that you should learn form other people's mistakes. Not just your own. Who knows, maybe you're the one to finally topple Wall.St with your lucky lottery win. Even without a history of high earnings, or chumming up with the billionaires. Personally, I'd be extra cautious.

>>71903387
She socialized perfectly with Kanata, Chloe, Korone and Koyori. Don't know what are you on

>>71905408
Seethe

>>71902848
Untrue, she helps to help all the time

>>71894357
How so? She's always fumbling over her words

>>71904490
I figure that if a clique like that was going to have developed and rot HoloEN, it would’ve happened by now
Holo’s talent scouting, management, and policy standards seem to be pretty good at filtering those kinds of people out and maintaining escapism for the most part so even if they hire talents that are on the left (which lets be real is probably the majority of them, they’re mostly American white women) they at least hire ones that know to keep it professional

The only outlier that we can know for a fact where their beliefs lie and how much they care about maintaining the apolitical image from what they’ve said on stream (not their PLs) and not just speculate to this so far is Regis Altare but like I said since he’s much smaller than any of the EN girls he doesn’t have much influence, and likely has less tard wranglers

>>71892818
I ignored Kiara for a long time due to ehr voice. But some of that was actually pleasent to hear. Has she actually dropped it? Is the chicken voice dead?

>>71905478
The researchers focused on the 617 households that won a “substantial amount” in the lottery during the study period. The amount won ranged from thousands to millions of Euros, and the average amount won was 60% of the German annual household income. After analyzing the data, the researchers concluded that winning the lottery improved the winners’ sense of overall life satisfaction. And the more they won, the more significant the positive effect.

The second study, from 2020 by researchers from Stockholm University, Stockholm School of Economics, and New York University, surveyed 3,000 Swedish lottery winners about their psychological well-being between 5 and 22 years after they won the lottery. Like the German study, the researchers concluded that lottery winners experienced “sustained increases in overall life satisfaction.” They found that these effects persisted for over a decade and showed no evidence of dissipating over time.

Further, the researchers found no evidence that the winners blew their newfound wealth on extravagant purchases. Instead, they tended to spend their winnings slowly over many years. Most didn’t quit their jobs, but they did tend to work less. The lottery winners had more and higher-quality leisure time after winning the lottery, and this improved leisure time contributed to their enhanced sense of well-being.

These two studies confirm what common sense would suggest: winning the lottery is usually pretty great. Stories of lottery winners whose lives were ruined by their windfall aren’t representative of the experiences of most winners.

>>71902848
Said the voices in your head.

>>71905495
Were you there in person or something? Again, explain why Kiara chose to be alone in the OP clip. Considering that even in the worst case of being hated that she would have Gura next to her in line, I'd say she did it on purpose to guilt Gura into staying back so she could keep her to herself, and was afraid that if they went to get food with the others that they would seek out Gura and use Kiara as a translator at most. She strikes me as the type of person who would have this sort of complex.

>>71905192
Maybe--hear me out now--NOT living in Japan and speaking the language most in the company do has an impact.

>>71897390
No one forced her to apply to Hololive

>>71905478
>the statistics (that you made up)
Also I don't play the lottery because I know what actual statistics are. If anything your dumbass lottery example is one of the worst potential indictments of human intelligence because of the self-selecting sample of the likely uneducated, who then get laser-targeted for sophisticated scams.

>>71902650
The locations in the US where the degeneracy is at its strongest tend to be pretty shitty and unsafe places to live

>>71905826
that's not true
i did

>>71905760
>Don believe what Kiara said instead believe in my headcanons
Sorry but nah

>>71905760
nigga she said why she sat down in the clip itself. Anyone replying to this after me is now german

>>71905550
My concern is that the clique /has/ formed and has been well established for some time, but that Cover is just so much better at tardwrangling than Nijisanji that we'll probably never hear about it.

>>71894081
>>71902285
I remember she mentioned once that she practically zooms into different stores, never the same place, with the western equivalent of idol guard, gets everything in a rush, pays and then zooms back to her house because even if she isn't recognized as Gura, people give her looks, once someone talked to her (I guess just someone being polite to a stranger they meet head-on) and she spilled her spaguetti and ran.
Given that Gura wasn't as high on the pedestal as she is right now after Ai-san's actual "death", I have good reasons to believe she now just buys everything online and gets it delivered to wherever she is.
>That one fuck
Also fuck that one doxxfag, that shit stayed up for like a year or two and like 200k+ people saw it all. And might be one of the reasons why now she is radio silent all-the-time, she might unironically be on the move constantly considering there's an actual seizable amount of retards trying to track her and some that HAVE and ARE tracking her in real time, some even being close to her location, always, because they have the money and online """job""" (crypto lords, stock geniuses, rich fucks, etc) to afford being nomadic all-day just stalking her roommate, and allegedly some of them are just waiting for one day harm her.
That's the type of shit why every other board looks at /vt/ as how the majority of this board looks at Gachis and Unicorns. Shit's scary as fuck and might or not be a ticking happening right at her doorstep 24/7, ready to happen one day regardless of where she is because there's always SOMEONE relatively close that knows or suspects where she is.
Let shark have fun. I don't think she smiles that much these days.
>"That's impossible", "schizo rambling"
JuegaGerman, a massive YouTuber dude who unironically used to just do shitposts and then transitioned into gaming, was stalked for like a whole decade by his fans, forcing him and his family to move out like 7 times in a row at some point, and his audience was just KIDS, and yet teens to actual grown adults followed and stalked him for years, even when he moved to other country with his girlfriend until he finally found himself a place/apartment/house after moving to the US, in which he finally wasn't being constantly awakened by noises of people telling him to "come out". And he still has had one or two incidents in which someone managed to get at his doorstep despite him living in one of those buildings that require a card or invitation to let you in at all.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmrMKX0G6k
That guy, is not a vtuber
Not a woman
Neither an idol
And he still was being followed and stalked all-day for years, despite moving around constantly.
He is neither a globally well known individual
He used to be LATAM's Pewdiepie and still kinda is remembered like that, a region in which people usually don't track you down and stalk you at all usually
And yet he still got swarmed, bullied and harassed, property damage and tresspassing also happened.
Now imagine the type of stalkers that Gura has these days, when following people has never been easier.
Little kids are not going to show up at her door for autographs
In retrospective, this might be the actual reason why more than one talent have moved out, even to other countries like Japan. Retards being retards pushing the girls out of their comfort zone because they have zero self-awareness or enjoy watching them struggle like that.
Could you take the heat anon?, could your sister or mother take such heat?, I don't think so.

>>71905760
He knows because he watched the stream and she talked about her interactions with them? Anon please

>>71905760
>>71905962
i always wanted to be aryan
no one can ever call me brown ever again

>>71905954
You're the one who doesn't believe Kiara when she said she didn't want to go with everyone else lol retard.

>>71905618
>the average amount won was 60% of the german annual household income
>this is roughly equal to 24k USD
lmao

>>71906018
America's founding fathers considered Germans insufficiently White to be invited to their Anglo ethnostate.

>>71905962
>>71906007
>I'd rather be sitting on a table alone for 10 minutes than wait in line for 10 minutes while socializing with everyone else
You are genuine virgins if you think this is how a normal woman thinks, let alone how an extrovert like Kiara would think.

wow gura has imprinted on kiara, just like kiara planned haha

>>71906100
oh no it's retarded

>>71906100
So you're saying Kiara never socialized with anyone?

>>71906100
Kiara has a social battery too, believe it or not. Besides, interaction or not waiting around a crowded buffet table fucking sucks I's sit my ass down too ngl

>>71905982
Even then I still doubt it. If there were enough HoloEN girls to form a clique like that then Calli wouldn’t have been allowed to release her Internet Brain Rot song that’s mostly about shitting on those types of people because it would’ve caused a messy internal divide if there was a clique
Although while I’m on the topic, I’m still surprised that Cover allowed Calli to release that song. Maybe it’s because she doesn’t bring up any specific political movements in it but it’s so obvious she’s talking about far left progressives

you guys know kiara could've just made the whole story up right, the only other witness is gura and she never streams

>Unironic clique discussion
Yeah it's the usual catalog thread full of dramatrannies

>>71905618
>German
>Swedish
>people that don't fucking care even if they win a million or a billion dollars, sorry, euros, anyway since it won't affect their lifestyle
>generally missing the central fucking point and arguing pedantics and semantics
Gura went from penny pinching McDonnald's orders to being top dog in the entire industry in a year. It affected her mentally. That's the discussion.

>>71905826
>fuck her, den, lmoa
Nice empathy, homie.

>>71905926
I'm calling autism. There's no way you're missing the point this hard as a neurotical.

>>71906340
Everyone hates wokescolds, even most leftists, they're just too afraid to say anything.

>>71906419
>Kiara's 100% lying trust me!

>>71906199
If you can't even read my posts properly then your own interpretation of what people say is definitely worthless.

>>71906259
>i'm a loser virgin introvert so that's totally how kiara would react too ngl fr fr no cap
Pathetic. I'm not even saying Kiara can't socialize, in fact I explicitly said she's an extrovert. The most likely explanation is what I said earlier - she didn't want to go because she was afraid of being used as a translator for the JPs who want to interact with Gura, which hurts her ego. She might even be afraid of them taking Gura away from her, as Gura is one of the few people who would take her side on things (like sitting down with her in her loner table).

she actually achieved it

>>71906447
I didn't even read half that post, I'm not interested in your sage advice, only making fun of your ridiculous beliefs about people's intelligence

>>71905826
>doesn't know the japanese entertainment industry
You aren't forced to apply--most of the time--you can be forced to stay and be forced to pay half a million for "stuff" that was given to you to do your job. Your genmates can be threaten for the stuff you do. You're IP and even your PL stuff can be owned by the company with people accessing and using it. And if you live in Japan you can't speak up without being sued into the ground. Hololive maybe be different but you would crazy to think it wasn't built on this foundation.

>>71906534
>publicly expresses her sadness over being the runt
>tries to compensate by controlling the #1
Horrible personality.

>>71906419
This is far from the first sign of this behavior with gura and when gura does talk about japan she backs it up (i.e Okayu date). Hell she made Kiara her mom in peppa pig

>>71906518
>Kiara says she doesn't want to stand in line because it'll take a while
>Anon proceeds to force his headcanons on how Kiara is totally hated by everyone and Gura is her only friend
Damn when did this thread turned into fanfic central?

>>71894357
>What is masking?
Nah man true social spastics get amazing at talking, they actualy practice and rehearse regular talking.

>>71906604
You realize she's not a Japanese citizen and doesn't live there right? They can't force her to do shit without suing her in the US. And can you imagine the level of suicide "we're suing Gawr Gura" would be?

>>71906778
Why do I have to keep repeating myself for you virgins? Extroverted women do not prioritize the inconvenience of standing over socializing, especially during a networking opportunity, which is even more important for a vtubing job. You're simply a loser introvert who doesn't understand women.

>>71905985
>with the western equivalent of idol guard, gets everything in a rush, pays and then zooms back to her house because even if she isn't recognized as Gura
Anon the newest picture of her is like 5 years old at this point. Literally no one knows what she looks like.

>Also fuck that one doxxfag, that shit stayed up for like a year or two and like 200k+ people saw it all. And might be one of the reasons why now she is radio silent all-the-time
Anon, no one knows what she looks like. The one good picture if her is from fucking years ago dude. Who knows if she even has the same hair style anymore.

If someone wanted to find her, at this point even TMZ would, but no one fucking knows dude. Her roomate has zero social media. Zero accounts. She isn't active on any website. If Gura had stalker that shit might even get reported on the night news. You are an schizo making up stuff in your head.

>>71902018
Holy shit which stream was this

>>71906928
>Imagining things and stating them as fact
I can't believe I was talking with a roastie this whole time.

>>71906928
>so-called woman expert on 4chan calling people virgins

>>71906928
y-y-you virgins!
said the extra virgin oil on 4chan.

>>71906928
>4chinz dweller
>Calling anyone else a virgin
You're supposed to be 18 or older to post here underagechama

>>71907097
>>71907132
>>71907268
>>71907288
Being an incel isn't something to be proud of and admitting to it doesn't somehow invalidate my argument, in fact it just proves it.

>>71907331
Shut up woman. Go choke on a cock or something you ugly whore LMAO

I’m not sure how anyone can question Gura's sexuality when we saw her get soaking wet in real time during an off-collab. Nothing has ever gotten Gura as flustered as this moment did. She went dead silent for like 5 seconds and couldn't even look at Kiara properly.

I have no idea how women or indeed other men work and I refuse to learn because I expect it would horrify me

>>71907331
>lose argument
>you i-i-incels!
wow seriously this is a 18+ site retard anon, not for the underage.

>>71907376
>Implying any high T male would want to fuck that ugly fatass
You have so much faith on her chumbie

>>71907376
The irony of having chad pictures saved to pretend he's a chad while simultaneously admitting to being an incel.

>>71907454
I won the argument though, because none of you provided a counter argument to my last argumentative point. You just seethed uncontrollably over being called incels.

>>71907495
>Gets made fun of
>I-I win!
Sasuga woman cope

>>71907593
>gets made fun of for being an incel
>starts spamming chad pics in some kind of incel attempt to pretend otherwise
lol

>>71907495
>you no won, i won!
>i no mad, you mad!
headcanon is strong with this retard underage.

>>71907657
I'm not going to waste my time discussing with a woman. I'll just call you a whore and go on with my day

>>71907753
BASED KING. Women were not made to be taken seriously

>>71907679
The last argument in this reply chain was >>71906928 which is my post. After that, despite only btfoing one person, I got 4 seething replies crying because I used words like "virgin" and "loser", with no refutation of my points.

You'll most likely ignore this in your next reply and sperg out with more seething cope so I'll just end it here. I hope you at least understand that this sort of behavior is why you're a loser incel in the first place.

>>71907899
i don't listen to femcel, bye.

>>71907899
>I'll just end it here
You haven't shown your tits yet. Make yourself useful for once in your life you whore

>>71905271
>Oh no, being "alone" among a group of people who all want to suck you clit, how nerve-wracking.
This only really works if it wasn't just JP members, otherwise if you watched Gura you'd know how her brain shutdown surrounded by JP members talking to her

>>71906947
If someone contacted TMZ snd let them know that roomate pictures would bring in A LOT of traffic to the site, what would you think they would do with that information? They probably dont know, its a very normie site, but what if they did know? What if they said to themselves "wow that couldnmake us a lot of money".

>>71908031
It's nerve-wracking to try talk to people who speak a different language. Fortunately there were translators there.

>>71905985
>That's the type of shit why every other board looks at /vt/ as how the majority of this board looks at Gachis and Unicorns.
It's scary how antis speak like what they say is completely sane. Randomly call people whores or wishing death/harm is a given just because.

>That guy, is not a vtuber Not a woman Neither an idol
>Now imagine the type of stalkers that Gura has
Gura might unironically have it worse than most or even all in Hololive: she doesn't have the support ID and JP have with each other; she lives far away from even Myth; she doesn't have the benefit of living in a safer country like Japan; she can't even drive; she is the smallest and weakest in EN (even Biboo can reach the peddle by pulling up the sit); she's been more sheltered so doesn't have the street smarts Mori has or the communication assertiveness Kiara has; Gura has got a bigger target because she's number one in the world. Her public struggles and mental health puts her at a worst starting line to deal with any of this stuff. It's bad hand period.

>>71908102
Considering they have not doxxed any other vtuber but have unveiled stuff from other internet celebrities, I assume they have a safety clause that stops them from showing any IRL picture of any of them unless previously consulting with their editor or supervisor.
Also, I'm sure they get doxx info thrown at them 24/7 through their contact mails but filter what probably would get them in severe trouble, especially if there's an agency behind the individual they got info on.

>>71908348
Anon its probably cause no one at TMZ knows what the fuck a vtuber is.

>>71905985
>gachis and unicorns are...le bad
kys cuck

>>71908413
This

lol thread smells like women and dramaniggers

maybe gura latched on to kiara because kiara didn't give up trying to establish a relationship. kobo said that she didn't dare approach gura because gura looked so shy, maybe more members feel this way and gura ends up alone a lot if she doesn't stay with kiara?

>>71897461
>despite muh orange woman bad
Does anyone still feel that way about her unironically? Her personality still isn't for me, but it's been years since she's done anything that I would consider objectionable. It's also been a long time at this point since I've seen any mass effort to anti her. Saying nice things about Kiara isn't the controversial contrarian shit it was in 2021.

>>71908566
There's apes literally trying this right now in this very thread anon

>>71900529
That's literally what the anon implied, you fucking idiot.

>>71906947
>"Literally no one knows what she looks like"
>he doesn't know

>>71906947
>He lacks the critical information
You are making that other cuck look savvy.

>>71908566
She gave koefficient attention the other day.

>>71908994
If I knew or cared who that was it might bother me, but I don't.

So, is she depressed or not?
Srs answers only please.

>>71909074
Exactly, he's an irrelevant who eceleb but she still gave him attention.

>>71909090
probably just doesn't want to be judged for eating too much or the "wrong" things when so many peers are in the same room

>>71909090
She's autistic and rich. Depression is a phase, she's actually just eternally lazy

>>71909158
People in chat are also irrelevant whos but when I say streamers should ignore chat they call me crazy

>>71893109
That ojisan? Me

>>71909227
lazy enough to travel abroad and be up at 4am lol, what are you even talking about

>>71908645
When I say "mass effort" I'm talking about the days when the entire fucking catalog was orange and nothing but MEMEME and
>
>
>
A couple monkeys in a thread that will be dead in a couple hours pales in comparison to what the egg army used to be.

>>71909090
Shy, autistic and depressed recovered once alcoholic now coffee addict who is socially anxious and somewhat paranoid.

>>71908566
It's been a long while since I've seen actual criticism of the chicken, most I see on catalog thread is shit from 3 years ago or shit her RM did but nothing from the present. Same for other holos, specially ENs, sisters have nothing to seethe about so they just use ancient timeloops

>>71909270
Chat isn't clout chasers.

>>71909323
Kiara isn't really as relevant anymore, Myth used to be a much larger portion of the EN vtuber milieu

>>71909322
>can't even stream for 30 minutes atleast once a week
retard.

>>71909419
she isn't a streamer having to grind hours of meaningless filler content anymore dumbass

>>71909470
>she isn't a streamer
glad we're all on the same page

>>71906928
>Self proclaimed Woman Expert

>>71909323
>what the egg army used to be.
If I remember correctly it was made by a very jealous woman that spammed catalog threads until the meido humilliated her publicly for everybody to see

>>71909470
>She's isn't a streamer
I agree, she's a glorified mascot

>>71905985
>>71908190
I hope that someone finds and kills Gura

>>71909419
>>71909505
>>71909647
>I get to define what work and a streamer is
Nah. Also.

>18:05
>18:07
>18:09
Retard.

>>71909647
she's an icon, a winner etc, she's done more for the company than most. it's okay to leave the work in the mines for the up-coming streamers

>>71907331
>being an [arbitrarily assigned title] isn't something to be proud of
This just in: When you label someone and they wear it with pride you're the one that fucked up.

>>71910151
You're right, I should've checked my privilege. Anyone who identifies as a streamer is a streamer.

>>71904490
>>71905982
no one gives a shit about some two view blue faggot. the majority of holo watchers fucking hate stars. that is why the unicorn friendly girls have done better than the fagenablers.
Granted I still think its funny as fuck that mori said none of the girls were allowed to meet advent predebut and like immediately after she said that IRyS and I think some other girls said they have been talking to advent for months. meaning someone at holo thought it was important to not let mori specifically talk to the new girls.

If gura was streaming regularly, we'd have people saying she streams just to trip Advent up, she can't win with crazy people on either side of this

>>71910594
>the majority of holo watchers fucking hate stars
The majority of holo watchers don't even know there's a male branch

>>71910601
She streamed all over advent's first streams and then fucked off so....

>>71910601
Did that happen with council?
Am newfag

>>71905985
we all know who's gura's PL was
even that 1 image of her real isn't even 100% her.

>>71908566
People forgave her after the alleged feud between her and Gura died down.
In retrospective, I understand the chicken's initial jealousy, Gura got everything that the chicken would have killed for on-debut and she can't handle it because she expected herself to be the "low 4 view loli of her gen that gets away with being dumb and stream less" but her meme magic hit her like a truck like previous times and made her the front-runner of her gen and soon the front runner of her whole company which likely was supposed to be Calli the workaholic, and just of her gen, not the company. And Kiara probably seethed about seeing the potential go down the drain, had been her, she would have probably gone turbo to keep herself as the top dog of Hololive. But alas, instead she found roadblock after roadblock again and again. And despite the seethe, she now is probably the only girl besides Ame sometimes to support Gura when everything turns black in her mind.

>>71910695
she's left everything she helped establish for them to take over, they should be thankful

>>71910601
I dunno if you're aware of this but the people who want Gura to stream outnumber the people who make shitposts on /vt/ about her hating Biboo because le timeslot by a good 5 orders of magnitude

>>71910151
Retard. Vacations aren't considered work. While I won't deny that she does work behind the scenes like idol practice, brand deals, covers, travelling etc. The fact of the matter is, is that she doesn't stream frequently and or consistently.

>>71910400
That's the biggest incel cope of the month, congrats.

>>71910854
We have more women in the thread?

>>71910854
I can't tell you how funny it is to watch someone use the word "cope" in a post full of it.

>>71910854
Ugly whore

>>71910695
Reminder that Gura and Ame streamed over the NijiEN debuts to trip them, with mixed results (for Niji). Could have been company mandated tho,
So she streaming over the new gen debuts could be either she being she or a company tactic that I guess numberfags understand better than me.

>>71910909
>>71910929
>>71910961
>call one person an incel, who is actually proud of it anyway
>get multiple triggered replies
I don't get it, I thought you were proud of being incels? Why so angry?

>>71911058
I see a woman itt, I call her a whore. Simple as that

>>71892818
This just in, if you see a 4'7" child next to Kiara 100 times out of 10 it'll be Gura

>>71911058
>y-you're all virgins!
>y-you're all mad!
What's next on the list of cheap rhetorical devices? Basement dwelling? kek

>>71911119
this except incels

>>71911150
You were arguing that those are badges of honor though, so why react this way?

>>71911168
You call incels whores?

>>71902762
I'm pretty sure I remember her doing literally that in a VRchat stream. Gura went off to a corner, because she was feeling sick, so Kiara decided to join her, just to make sure she was okay.

>>71911238
Arguments are based on premises and have a conclusion. What passes for your conclusion doesn't have premises.

>>71905985
there really are just ultra insane people out there, and considering the amount of devotion shork stirs in people, it's not unbelievable that she gets harassed by dedicated weirdos go one step further than the doxxsite to interact with them.

>>71892818
cute

>>71911620
no its too much influence power

>>71911460
I'm simply reiterating the fact that you proudly proclaim to be an incel yet are now acting like it's a bad word. At this point it just looks like it was a very sad attempt to get people to stop saying it.

>>71901804
It feels incredibly natural in my opinion

>>71911703
>I'm simply reiterating
Yes, you are repeating yourself. Repeating yourself is not an argument. Thank you, come again.

I'll just admit it, I hate Gura because of her popularity. Im jealous for my oshi, wish they had that popularity because they arent fucking lazy as hell like her.

If she wasnt anywhere near as popular, I wouldnt care that she barely ever streams, because then viewcount would be proportional to work ethic.

There, i let it out.

>>71906447
Why should anyone have empathy for a grifting millionaire?

>>71912011
I'm sorry your oshi was not born as the perfect seraph that is shork.

>>71902762
no, you're mistaking a need for validation for narcissism, while they can be related they're not the same thing.

I used to think this about kiara too, but there are too many things that make it clear kiara is a really naturally good and kind person. She just has a great deal of personal failure under her belt and a great deal of fear of failure baked into her personality now, that has her constantly in need of validation to easy that fear.

this is why she's a numberfag

>>71911999
I wouldn't have to repeat myself if you simply addressed what I said. Instead you're persistently avoiding the subject. Anyway I don't have much interest in educating a smooth brained incel and I'm getting bored now so enjoy getting the "last word" which bitter incels seem to be quite keen on around here.

>>71912011
Sorry your oshi is a mediocre bitch with zero talent

>>71892818
I can't read but i sure love Gura!

>>71912085
>perfect
>doesn't stream
grim

>>71912139
>if you simply addressed what I said
I did, I pointed out that you have a conclusion with valid premises. That is addressing what you said. Gonna assume you don't know how logic works since you said that.

>>71905555
she's still in jp, right?
when she's not at home she usually sounds nice
her gear is trash (or totally misused)

>>71899454
>feel Kiara is able to be so close to Gura because of professional trust.
They are close together because they met irl in Japan and Kiara basically babysit the shark the entire time she was there since she has social anxiety and doesn't speak a word of jap

They have been friends ever since

>>71912139
>>71912258
>with
*without
I got a pizza to go pick up, later slut.

>>71912166
please, gura is cringe as hell, all she has is some singing talent but i could not care less about singing, i dont ever watch karaokes or concerts. dont give a fuck.

all im saying is that if she actually streamed regularly i wouldnt be so assmad she is so popular while doing nothing.

>>71892818
You fucking think???

>>71912090
you're pathetic

>>71912085
There was an anon a year or two back saying that Gura's voice unironically had some odd pitch/wavelenght? that babies and kids have and makes people want to follow them/take care of them, which in turn spawned a few meme posts about Gura being a Siren-type. Which would explain her meme magic coming back, it's a birth condition.
The funny part here is that and her shark persona linking with the luring voice bit.
Anyways, other audio anons disproved that so consider this a schizo remembrance of a fairly easy to discredit theory.

>>71912470
have you considered not being mad about shit that doesn't matter?

>>71911035
Who...?

>>71912597
It's an Interviews With Monster Girls situation. Gura has an effect on people and she can't turn it off.

>>71912470
>I don't watch her content anyway but if she makes it live on her channel, in this "x" format, I might change my mind that she makes the content
Nice mental gymnastics there.

>>71912470
Gura's popular because she's likable. People subscribe, tune in, and support her because... she's not an absolute cunt like (you)r talentless whore for an oshi that thinks she deserves more for doing more work

>>71892818
You only figured now? She was a drunkard before for a reason.

why arent every hardworking person a celebrity, vt asks. lol

>>71892818
yeah... she is never getting married lol.

>>71912925
Based. Popularity doesn't have wagecuck considerations. Clocking in doesn't reshape your personality.

>>71912897
>Gura can never not be popular because just talking makes people like her
>She would have to take a vow of silence if she ever wants to be left alone
>But she loves to talk and sing
>Social anxiety
She got dealt the best worst hand.

Mumei must be so happy knowing there's at least one person more autistic than herself in Hololive. Then again, I don't know if that's a win. After all, she is still constantly compared to that one retard to the point people joke about them being the same person

okayu mistaking mumei for gura was very lore accurate. okayu needs to lure bigfish away from the chicken

>>71913452
Mumei is likely thankful that people will never think of her as the dumbest Holo because Gura is there.

>>71914379
Gura's of over average intelligence for a woman, particularly in the area of wit. The education system clearly failed her though, but that goes without saying in America.

>>71892818
She just doesn't know how to order the food

>>71905985
Man 4chan has really changed. Back in the day if someone wrote a post this long the replies would only be various forms of "kill yourself faggot" without reading the content of the post at all
I'm not sure if it's better this way or not

"My happiness is all of your misery." - Gura
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWWVVHsoCWo

>>71906518
>>71906928
Somehow the woman manages to be the most misogynistic out of a sea of incels

>>71913452
Mumei loves Gura. Happy they were finally able to meet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMuK368HfMQ
In another video, Kobo said that Mumei was wearing a mask, so it's more understandable.

>>71913452
If she's a genuine autist (the good kind) then there's no bigger insult than being called a normalfag

>>71908444
If that is all you got from that singular paragraph about the perspective of outside people towards this board who now associate even Nijihomofags as unicorns/gachis then I recommend finding the rat poison in your kitchen cupboard, fill a large glass with it and drink it while it's concentrated

>>71917532
tribalistic slapfights are 4chan's bread and butter after all.

I really doubt the hololive girls are as autistic as everybody says. These people are actors.

>>71914379
>>71913452
>Sisters samefag and pretend to be Hoomen
Mumei considers Gura to be smarter than her when they talk. Mumei actually got visible upset during a character test when it imply she wasn't.

>>71903363
nta. true, I yearn for Gura at every moment

>>71918445
Hoomans love when their oshi is treated like Walmart Gura

>>71917983
>These people are actors.
You'd have to be Marlon fucking Brando to act for 3-7 hours a day for several days a week without breaking character.

>>71918900
Thats what the jp livers do. Sure, they are not 100% acting but surely they exagerate certain facets of their personalities to make streams more entertaining. All Kiara essentiallyu said was that Gura followed her lead when interacting with people and a culture she does not understand and does not speak the language. And anons actually think Gura was literally holding back tears and looking for Kiara's guidance because she is too autistic to be a normal person in public.

>>71918445
timestamp? because Gura thinks she is retarded and I am pretty sure she didn't even go to college.

>>71905985
Yeah I’m sure there are crazy stalker incidents that Gura suffered through that we will never know about. I just want to know if she was r*ped by David Matterson or not

>>71919099
>anons actually think Gura was literally holding back tears and looking for Kiara's guidance because she is too autistic to be a normal person in public.
That would be an absurd idea to have, yes. In fairness she is afraid to take her order back into a McDonalds full of people that are native English speakers, so I'm not sure the language barrier is as big of an influence here.

>>71919099
>livers
nijinog...