/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

What’s the Nijiyab/PhaseCucking today?

>>72698215
Ollie reached 1 million subs at record pace and used to pull in 3k views easily.
She lost all those viewers because they were zoomers who got bored of her.
Ollie meanwhile alienated the core hololive audience by antagonizing them by trying to turn hololive into another nijisanji
The reason she's now one of the bottom 3 holos in terms of ccv is because of her retarded actions. Even though she stopped trying to convince other holos to do mixed collabs (at least onstream) I doubt she'll ever recover. It would take a miracle, I can't thinknof anything that would do it.

>>72698215
>if you gave her a chance
People gave her a chance, in fact she was the biggest ID before Kobo, she has only herself to blame for her fall.

>>72698215
she makes a good friend, but not a vtuber.

she's so zombified now, bros

>>72698215
hear me out, rp asmr.
+18 sounds in memb

>>72698215
she tried to give connor a second avenue into Hololive, and to this day keeps trying to organise crossbranch homo collabs that rope in girls who don't do them. She can fuck right off

>>72701150
She even cried on stream because her numbers fell hard compared to others.
I think it was a minecraft stream where kiara joined to calm her down

>>72698215
I used to watch her but I didn't like her enough to sit thpugh the apex spam. How often does she play fps games now?

>>72698215
I have watched her, sometimes against my will. Her voice is annoying, no thanks. It's the same reason I'll never watch Kiara if I can help it

>HOMOCOLLABER
>SHE HAETS IDOLS
>SEA
etc. but she is a good girl passionate about shaking things up, kinda like Bae but girls like this will always get shit on by purist that think the same old reclining content will lead to continued growth and success

>>72699798
>>72700286
>>72701150
I fucking hate this garbage fanbase of Shallow knuckle-dragging troglodytes dragging down this company like a ball-and-chain. You would reach through the screen grab one of these women, toss them into your cave and beat them with a club fot the crime of looking at another man if you weren't crippled by fear of confrontation and whatever self-inflicted infirmity binds your influence behind a keyboard.

>>72702647
>You would reach through the screen grab one of these women, toss them into your cave and beat them with a club fot the crime of looking at another man
A good thwomping would certainly fix the ones that keep trying to change things, yes

>>72698215
People would give her chances if she graduated and went to Nijisanji where she belongs. She's a niji in hololive clothing.

>>72698215
Funny that you made this thread OP. I actually considered giving Ollie another chance this morning and saw that she was doing a Stars 3D watchalong and 180'd out of there.

>>72698215
Number one, she's loud and annoying. Besides that, the glimpses I see of her gross me out. She tries twerking every collab and makes crude sex jokes constantly, and when I do watch her solo she ends up sharing too much information that I really don't want to know.
It reeks of desperation, and that's just her personality. Her content I shouldn't even have to specify how bad it is, and the zombie motif ruins everything she's a part of.

>>72700425
>she makes a good friend
This. I've often thought Ollie would be one of those ride or die chicks that wants to bar hop with you until the sun comes up, and occasionally forgets you're bros and rests her head on your shoulder.

>>72702647
Post tits

>>72698215
Ollie is a good girl and a good entertainer. She's what everyone in Hololive should aspire to be.

>>72702114
Where's the growth and success? The girls that try to "shake things up" end up with less growth than the ones who actually do what their audience wants of them. Shaking things up scares people away more than it brings new people in. Growth comes from building on what works, not from throwing it away to chase something else.

>>72698215
She collab'd with this girl. Nuff said.

>>72702647
Cool blogpost bro. Still doesn't change the fact that Ollie's low views are self inflicted. You people don't watch every fucking stream. Holos that pander to unicorns get views. No amount of your baby raging will ever change this.

>>72702114
>that think the same old reclining content will lead to continued growth and success
Except it literally does and claiming otherwise is fucking delusional. Hell Gura is still growing and she LITERALLY DOESN'T STREAM. Fauna gets the highest ccv in EN.
Meanwhile Bae and Ollie are the ones reclining. FUCKING OLLIE HERSELF SAID SHE HAS ALMOST 0 GROWTH THESE DAYS.
You're fucking denying reality.

>>72703908
Her annoying soundboard needs to go.

>>72704224
Fauna works hard for that growth, while Gura is eternally buffed by the cunny model. Bae and Ollie, despite streaming often, also go against idol culture. I personally think the male collab ban is retarded but the majority of the audience doesn't. Not toeing the line is career destroying.

>>72702647
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8

>>72703881
And he tips his hat to why he made the thread
Another anti-Phase thread
You people are ridiculously defensive over this small corpos small gains. You’re that scared or are you just bored?

>>72704316
>the male collab ban is retarded
Oh I'm speaking to a fucking clip watching retard that actually believes there's a male collab ban despite Bae having collabed with males last month.
You know why some ENs stopped collabing with males? Because their solo CCV took a giant nosedive.

>>72704316
>male collab ban
There's no such thing. It's just that every hololive member with two braincells to rub together has figured out that collabing with men hurts your channel, and those who still have one brain cell left have at least abandoned the idea of homocollabs to try to save themselves. They can still collab with men, Bae did it not too long ago, it's just that nobody wants to anymore because it isn't worth it.

>>72704382
They're angry lefties who hate Pippa so they think they have to hate all of Phase too.
Just feel sorry for them. They'll never experience Panko or Runie because they're biased for no reason

>>72704316
>I personally think the male collab ban is retarded
Their is no male collab ban, the EN girls can collab with holostars whenever they want. The majority don't for a variety of reasons.

>>72704515
>>72704519
You faggots know what I'm talking about. Yeah you CAN collab with males, but you shouldn't. The JP girls know this.

>>72701566
Lol I need a link to that

>>72704515
Nope more like their income was threatened

>>72704591
So there's no ban. Are you now going to claim that refusing to watch girls whose choices you don't like is equivalent to holding an "invisible gun" against their head.

>>72698215
The Indonesian language sounds very grating to most Westerners.

>>72704224
Bae is starting to sell more merch than IRyS, has passed Fauna in subs and has consistently the highest total monthly views in her generation. Gura is Gura, she's an anomaly
Don't act like you know what you are talking about when citing her as an example for your argument smartass

>>72704591
Then there's no ban? Are you retarded?
It's just the culture. Idol purists (the majority of the Hololive fanbase) want their idols pure

>>72704753
You're an obnoxious twat that no one likes. You nitpick nonsense and bask in the shadow of your false towering ego.
Also that second part was a question. End your question with a question mark.

>>72698215
She destroyed any prospects of me giving her a chance with her multiple yabs during the first half of her time in Hololive. I already found her voice and mannerisms annoying, and disliked her design since, out of all the monster girl types, zombies are my least favourite, so I was already hesitant to watch her, but her homopushing sealed the deal.
I think she's calmed down lately and my JP oshi says she likes her, but there's too much ill will for me to watch her now.
That said, her stage performances, like the ones in HoloFes, are always pretty good and I enjoy them.

>>72699798
I don't even believe that it's the homo collabs. It's the model. It's not sexy, it's not cute, it's not uohhhh!, it's a zombie. A rotting corpse with mismatched skin.
From a purely aesthetic PoV, who would choose Ollie over literally any other Hololive member? The only model I like less is Himemori Luna's, but she got the cute and funny crowd on her side.
I guarantee, if Ollie had a SEX model, she would have twice as many live viewers.

>>72704865
I know it's the culture, and the culture is stupid. A male guest in your stream doesn't mean you're fucking the guy. How are otakus simultaneously this insecure and this dumb?

>>72704953
>culture is stupid
Found the beggar. SJW Trannies like you and Bae are what ruined Hololive

>>72705038
I accept your concession.
The culture is stupid. The culture isolates, alienates, and gate-keeps.

>>72704591
Saying there's a ban is a huge leap and several JP girls still collab with men.

>>72704953
Go back to Nijisanji then, if you don't like it.

>>72705092
>The culture isolates, alienates, and gate-keeps.
You say that like it's a bad thing LMAO

>>72705094
I know they do. I also know they're all less successful than the ones who don't. You'll never catch the gold standard oshi that is Tokino Sora collabing with a man.

>>72702647

>>72705092
The only people getting gatekept by the culture are the people that don't like the culture, which is how it's supposed to work. This idea that's cropped up lately that everything needs to be homogenized in order to appeal to the largest amount of people possible, even at the expense of the original audience, is killing the entire entertainment industry.

>>72705157
It factually is, both for the industry and from a financial perspective. But otakus don't care about that. They only care about the daydream of fucking their virgin oshi.

>>72704953
>the culture is stupid
Then leave? There are thousands of other vtubers out there that are open to collabing with anyone, including males, go watch one of them. Why does this one corner where male collabs are unpreferable bother you so much you want to change it?

>>72698215
She had a good fest performance. Maybe I'll try and give her a watch.

>>72703869
>>72704224
http://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/document/ranking/
Shouldn't Sakamata, Lamy and Nene be past her ?

>>72705311
I've yet to hear a cogent argument for why isolating vtubing males is a good thing other than "muh pure oshi."

>>72698215
That's where you're wrong, anon. I did give her a chance; I didn't like what I saw.

>>72705311
You will never be Japanese Ken sama

>>72702647
>she got a huge chance(entering hololive)
>turned the fastest ID vtuber
>fucked up multiple times
>lost the vastly majority of her viewers
>AIEEEEEE SHE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG, IT'S YOU INSECURE FUCKS
Every drop has a reason, no one loses that many viewers and didn't do anything wrong.

>>72704865
>(the majority of the Hololive fanbase
LMAO no it isn't not by a long shot

>>72705288
>It factually is, both for the industry and from a financial perspective
Show me from with metrics, retard. You can't say "factually" without providing undeniable proof of your claims

>>72698215
I liked her phasmophobia stream

>>72702647
Okay poorfag.
If you put your money where your mouth is they would cater to you instead.

>>72705288
Say that again when Hololive isn't at the top of the industry, and the talents that adhere to your so-hated culture aren't dominating every metric.

>>72705604
hololive is only at the top of the industry because Nijisanji fucked up so royally. They lead the pack not too long ago.

>>72705432
Most people just aren't interested in them, even if they don't hate them. The audience for female and male vtubers are almost entirely two completely separate sects, with there being little overlap, so adding something that the audience doesn't want to see makes the resulting product worse for most of the audience.

>>72705394
>Look at all of these dead subs ollie has!
Subs don't make you money, views and superchats do. Ollie wouldn't be crying about her numbers if subs mattered.

>>72705092
Gatekeeping is good. Go back to r.eddit

>>72704849

>>72705952
Gatekeeping is bad. Go back to /pol/.

>>72705705
>
Retarded take. Hololive has been leading the industry years ago. Nijisanji was only number 1 financially because of their core system of profit > sustainability. Nijisanji pushing wave after wave hoping golden geese like Salome and Kazuha pop out instead of nurturing talents into golden geese like Hololive does

>>72704932
You're a fucking retard. Her meteoric growth right after debut was partially thanks to her model.

>>72706007
Thanks for revealing yourself to be a redditnigger and a retarded leftist so quick, now everyone can ignore your posts

>>72705604
Okay, let's see those metrics.
Subscribers:
#4: Kobo
#5: Calli
#6: Fubuki
#7: Suisei
All those members either join events with men (for example, this singing event that happened last year with Suisei and Rikka) or regularly collab with men.
Calli and Towa are doing well SC-wise, too.

>>72706007
Gatekeeping is good and your presence here is proof of that.

>>72706243
I have never subbed or given money to any of those whore traitors. I wish nothing but the worst for them.

>>72706161
What? It was because she was LOUD and QUIRKY and talking FAST, not because she has an unfuckable model

>>72704953
>IT'S NOT FAIR WHY WON'T YOU DEDICATE YOUR TIME AND MONEY TO CONTENT I ENJOY STOP GIVING IT TO CONTENT I DON'T ENJOY
This is what you sound like. There's other companies that pander to fags like you and we both know why they're leas successful than hololive.

>>72706007
you are so incredibly far from home. how did you get here. why are you persisting? you're arguing a point that simply does not matter because you're arguing with people who's opinions will never change.

>>72704953
You don't have to like it. I'll never understand fujos or kpop stans, it doesn't change that it's a culture, just don't be a tranny and try to break le barriers.

>>72706007
Lmao kill yourself faggot

>>72706338
Yeah I'm sure you would love to see FBK, one of the pillars of hololive, to crash and burn, nijinigger.

>>72706338
>wishing ill on Fubuki
I know this is bait but just in case it isn't you should kill yourself.

>>72706243
>subscriber count
>one of the easiest metrics to bot
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>72706430
If someone is so dogmatic and rigid then they're in the wrong, not me. Thanks for saying it out loud, though.

>>72705092
That's only positives. You sound like game journalist trying to make Sekiro put an easy mode, pandering to everyone means you pander to no one.

She's the only holo I actually watch and like desu, not that I hate the other girls but Ollie just makes me smile.

Enjoying her Karaoke atm

>>72706338
If you wish nothing but the worst for them and consider them traitors for just making content that's not catered to you, you need to be euthanized and stripped of your human rights.

>>72705432
How am I supposed to fantasize that my oshi will have sex with me if she has ever spoken to another male?

>>72705288
Meanwhile in the real world fuwamoco are printing money.

>>72706338
>FBK
>Suisei
>traitorous whores
That's interesting

>>72706511
your own words can be reflected back at you there, friend. take a look inside and question where your anger is coming from.

>>72706585
>fuwamoco
LOL stagnant. At this rate they won't even hit a million by the end of this year.

>>72705705
This dumb redditnigger thinks stock is all that matters hahahaha.
I bet you think gdp is the only metric to judge a country by as well.

>>72706511
>dogma is bad
>except when it comes to my faggot politics like gays getting married and white people being evil

>>72706007
The only ones that complain about gatekeeping are the ones that should be gatekeep to begin. But I seriously doubt you aren't a falseflag sister.

>>72706503
why wouldn't they just bot everyone then?

>>72705038
NTA but take your meds you retarded son of a whore schizo, Bae just wants to be an idol and nothing else, she doesn't have an agenda to change a culture or anything

>>72706654
I'm not your friend, guy!

>>72706674
they're taking a dip because they've just taken their first actual break since debut. chill out numberfriend.

>>72706243
>Kobo is the 4° most successful holo
For sure anon.

>>72705038
>Bae
>SJW
are you fucking retarded?

>>72706707
Solid projection. No one said anything about those two topics. /pol/ is thataway you ragebaiting clown.

>>72706737
>he doesn't know

>>72706243
Please don't make me post Mori's solo ccv. She literally gets mogged by Kaela overlap these days. She fell off hard. Any overlap kills her and she's painfully aware of it because she avoids certain members overlapping her like the plague.

>>72706243
Ollie has 1.3 million subs and she's a 3view or borderline 3view. Subs means nothing if your subscribers don't care about you.

>>72706824
Dont overdose on pagpag sister

>>72706824
But you do have dogma, and I more than likely hit the nail on the head with identifying it.
Feel free to seethe more though!

>>72706821
ikr, she's more whore than sjw

>>72706740
>Bae wants to be an idol but doesn't want to adhere to idol culture
HAHHAHAHAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAAAHAHHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>72706860
ccv matters fuck all my number obsessed dark skinned friend. There's a reason she has the highest views and is thriving with opportunities and sponsorships

>>72706707
>except when it comes to my faggot politics like gays getting married
If you think equal rights are bullshit, why should I give a shit about your rights?

>>72706938
yeah like if they're gonna be insulting holos at least base it on facts, not fictional burger culture war bullshit.
>>72706965
>suddenly sora and azki are not idols

If you aren't a falseflag sister you're deeply mentally ill.

>>72706965
You don't know what idol culture is about. You will always be a larper and a newfag and I'm sure you seethe about it

>>72698215
I like Ollie, and I'll watch her if she's doing something interesting and I'm not watching something else or busy.
I liked her Minecraft streams and most things she did with ID. I liked her math streams. Apex filters me, but that's not unique to Ollie. I don't watch homostars so I skip and don't recommend any streams involving them.

>>72707036
>he's really a faggot

>>72707064
Not only are they falseflagging, they're blatantly samefagging the opposite opinion

>>72707036
Rights don't exist, they are just privileges imposed by those with control of the enforcement arm.

>>72706965
Don't talk about "idol culture" if your only knowledge of this topic comes from /vt/. Idols REGULARLY perform with men or are guests on shows together with men. They're not supposed to be in a relationship, but that's it. Normal interactions are okay.

>>72706995
Of course the guy hyper focussing on subs and arguing in favor of turning Hololive into nijiEN 2.0 is a fucking deadbeat.

>>72707269
I'm not the same guy. I was just calling you out for being detached from reality. The dark skin comment cut deep huh?

>>72707269
>under 1k ccv with final fantasy
Holy shit. And this is the girl with a UMG deal lmao

>>72707262
>"Normal interactions are okay"
>gushing over the coworker you're collabing with is considered an "okay" thing
grim.
This is what the common Nijinigger thinks is okay

>>72707398
it's not surprising. cali has burned the holo audience so many times all she has left is the normie audience from podcasts or whatever.

>>72707424
Is she in a relationship with said men? no
Is she busting out crude humor with men? no
Is she confessing her love for another man on stream? no
Does she flirt with men on stream? no

>>72707424
well that document that came out about luca showed, all the nijis were fucking each other lmao. that's what these people want for hololive.

>>72707598
I'm not going to spoonfeed you Bae reps just to get a 3day

>>72707269
Further proving that CCV is irrelevant when you have failures like IRyS who are shitters in every other aspect besides CCV

>>72707424
IRyS has been called a whore on /vt/ for being in a sponsored OW2 stream where she didn't even talk to a guy. Kanata hid in a corner and stayed silent during a minecraft event with men (I forgot which one) and FWMC muted their mics on a stream PROMOTING ON OF THEIR BIGGEST EVENTS because there were Holostars on stream. THAT is abnormal behavior.

>>72707846
get fucked BAU BAU

>>72707846
Nah. What's abnormal is throwing away your income to flirt with coworkers on stream.

>>72707678
>Threat of dox
and the mask comes off so easily, you really are just a sister falseflagging as a unicorn

>>72707689
Ccv is relevant because that's how most of the talents get most of their money outside of merch and sponsorships. More viewers = More potential piggybanks
Are you retarded or what?
>>72707846
Also, get fucked LMAO.

>>72704600
https://youtu.be/Oh57zxJRpJw?si=3KrKlL8Xp9B455a6

>>72704953
you sisters are so madly assblasted it shows in literally all your posts. were you raped by unicorns?

>>72707955
Merch and sponsorships make more money than superchats will ever

>>72707914
At least I get streams while your Oshis get touched by Japanese men BAU BAU

>>72705432
I've got nothing personal against the Stars, they can go ahead and collab with anyone outside Hololive, or even with the Hololive girls that want to collab with them, so basically the way things currently are. Hololive fans do not want to watch that content and they have no reason to change that preference. Hololive streamers understand that and cater to them, because it ensures their popularity and income. It doesn't matter if you don't agree with this situation, there are other places for you to find content you enjoy.
>>72705492
Correct, nor do I want to be one. My values wouldn't match well with the ones in Japanese society. I enjoy their content and language, but I'm proud of my own culture as well. "Purity" isn't even a Japanese concept anyway, the male collab debuff applies to the EN girls too, whom I also watch (whenever possible, yuropoor so times suck).
>>72705705
They have been competing with each other for years now, being neck and neck, Hololive may gain a permanent upper hand this year depending on whether Nijisanji unfucks itself or not. The meteoric rise of Hololive to 2nd place to begin with was due to them focusing on the then largely untapped market of "cgdct" enjoyed, who ended up forming what is now the Hololive fanbase. Turns out the demand for such content is very high. Cover went mining for copper and found gold, why should they stop? Especially as the miners next mountain over are blowing themselves up with explosives.
>>72706243
Indeed, the ones you posted are successful while also collabing with men. They have normalfag appeal that boosts their subs, and their views for music-related content. These kinds of talents are useful for promoting Hololive to an even wider audience, which benefits the whole company, but also unfortunately invites dregs like you that wish to destroy it.
I can't help but notice you've excluded the top 3 talents, Gura, Marine and Pekora, from your list, as well as Korone, Miko and Aqua to complete the top 10. Of the top 10, 6 do not collab with males. Those 6balso get higher ccv. Marine and Pekora also have the 3rd and 4th highest SC earnings in 2023 (behind Koyori and Chloe, who also do not collab with males), while the highest earner from your list is Calli, 13th, behind Korone who is 10th.
Even then, Suisei and Fubuki do not collab with males very often, and when they do it's mostly in a professional setting, something most fans will accept. Calli and Kobo, under western/Indonesian influence, collab with males more casually, which has slashed the amount of people willing to watch their normal streams. Kobo is enjoying more success because her main audience, indos, don't mind the male collabs that much, and there are lots of them, but they don't donate as much, meaning she gains subs but disproportionately less income.
All in all, while "mixed collab" talents can find success in Hololive (a testament to Hololive's "talent freedom", really), the top talents all tend to be "pure idols".

>>72702647
If that was physically possible, Ollie would be second on my list after Enna

>>72702647
This one made all the "alpha" "men" in this thread seethe

>>72707938
Outside maybe Bae "flirting" with Roberu (even though even that is a generous interpretation), show me one instance where a Hololive member flirted with a Holostars member. Just a small clip.

>>72704515
>You know why some ENs stopped collabing with males?
Because the only two males that would collab with them graduated?

>>72708210
japanese men are so timid and racist canadians like them will be perfectly safe, even if they DID try to score.

>>72707955
Counterpoint: Biboo exists and she doesn't get any money proportion to viewership

>>72707938
Seriously.
Imagine you're working a really easy job and you can make a killer income. All you have to do is ignore the opposite sex. If you choose not to, your pay gets cut IN HALF. Any sane person would just keep their mouth shut and their legs closed.
The only vtubers who break this unwritten rule are actual whores or are already married and want to include their spouse from the start.

>>72708063
Not what I said but yes I agree
But most of these girls like streaming for their fans and don't want to alienate their (paying) fanbase with unwanted content (faggot shit)
Just like Gura does, except she doesn't like her fans

>>72699798
Ollie's problem extends beyond her dreams of turning Hololive into Nijisanji. Her biggest mistake was attacking her core Indonesian audience who wanted more Indo streams. She could have been nice about it but instead went full blown bitch about it. You turn against your audience, that audience leaves and doesn't recommend her to new people. She could have APEX and homo spammed all she wanted with her ID audience lapping it up, but instead she first nuked them, courted the more volatile EN audience and lost all her numbers once the Apex and Homo collab spamming kicked off.
I think Ollie is a nice person and hard working, but after nearly 4 years she still doesn't understand the company she's apart of. Hell even Mori managed to figure it out.

>>72708403
>All you have to do is ignore the opposite sex.
there is actually no job that requires this

>>72708403
>The only vtubers who break this unwritten rule are actual whores or are already married and want to include their spouse from the start.
It's unironically the other way around in Hololive

>>72708400
>1 million yen hollow knight stream
Anon...

>>72708334
Make up any motivation you want, it is retarded to throw away your income because you simply can't stand to stay away from your male coworkers

>>72708505
It's a choice, retard. Not a requirement.

>>72706740
>Bae
>First she wants to be a VA
>Then she wants to be an idol
> And now she wants to be a gamer like fauna
The runt will try anything to be popular

>>72708511
>no proof
I accept your concession

>>72702647
They hate you so much, holy shit

>>72704540
>lefties
They identify as lefties, sure. But liberal isn't left.

>>72702647
This got the SEA brownies boiling kek

>>72708560
>>72708628
>it's a choice
>b-but you'll lose half your income!
this is still not a thing that's happening and you are a drooling retard who is not worth arguing with

>>72702647
you tried/10

>>72708851
Yeah it is a choice. Just like it's a choice to work at a strip club instead of fast food because "I gotta get dat paper"

>>72708732
>>72708833
doxboard reinforcements are here to try make it look like people agree. bit late though.

>>72708403
Gee I wonder why the "Unicorn friendly" girls besides advent like Mumei, Fauna or IRyS keep going on mysterious long breaks and barely do any sort of reinvestment into their holo career and pocket all the money they get into their clutches and only seek to acquire more money with minimal effort
Rushia was the same, I wonder why

>>72708961
their only argument is browns lmao
it's so funny when their entire corpo has been outed as being a sexpest central by a roastie menhera hag

yadda yadda males
yadda yadda homos
how many years have you guys been going on about this?

>>72709059
Who cares. They don't flaunt it on stream. Would it make you feel better if I said ignore the opposite sex *at work*?

>>72698215
I only support hololive

>>72709112
As many as necessary

>>72698215
Her and Kobo are the only two IDs I don't like and avoid like the plague.

>>72709059
Let them be anon. Their feeble minds cannot handle this blackpill.

>>72704953
There's no active crusade or conspiracy to crush the numbers of girls who do male collabs because of some idea that they might be in a relationship. The number of people who would consciously engage in that is a blip far outweighed by 'normal' viewers. It can't account for large viewership loss.
The truth is far more pedestrian. You're simply looking at the result of normal viewers losing attachment to the streamer en masse. They see that streamer interactions with the guy are so different from how she interacts with her audience. This makes the audience aware of how weak their connection with her is in comparison. It highlights that they're "just" viewers, killing the primary strength of streaming as a medium - making the audience feel like they're part of and actively influencing the entertainment they watch.
Is it any wonder that viewers, who once felt like they were letting the streamer down by missing a stream, now simply glance at the front page, go 'Huh, Ollie's streaming. Cool." and click on a clip instead?

>Awful grating voice
>Screams like a retard
>Boring as sin
Maybe Ollie shouldn't be such an annoying cunt if she wanted more viewers.

>>72708210
>Claims moral high ground because he supports whamen
>Calls women that don't side with his views whores
Classic reddit

>>72709059
This guy is threatening dox lmao

>>72709152
They don't give a fuck about you either apparently, only your money

>>72698215
I avoided any streams involving her after she ruined Sora's minecraft birthday stream last year.

>>72709314
>she ruined Sora's minecraft birthday stream
based af

>>72709262
Congratulations, you have discovered streaming is transactional like almost everything else in life.

>>72709202
is "the guy" in the room with us right now?

>>72709378
Oshi issue

>>72709378
Never superchatted.
Never typed in chat.
Never followed on xitter.
Never left a like.
Never left a comment.
Never bought merch.
Never will.
Simple as.

>>72698215

>>72709488
Lol. You don't actually believe that. If you think you do then point to a vtuber that does it for free, actively refusing donations

>>72709552
Almost based. You forgot:
>Only watch in incognito so I don't count as a view.

>>72709215
would've sworn you just described bae there kek

>>72709488
I'll accept your concession in advance as you won't reply, but who is your EN oshi anon?

>>72702647
Numbers don't lie, anon.

>>72709112
These "people" sprouted about June 2022 when they suddenly felt threatened by male talents who speak their second language.

>>72709314
wdym, I don't remember anything negative? You mean the one with A-chan?

>>72709738

japanese? what are you smoking, anon?

Reminder for anyone retarded enough to engage in Holo vs Holo:
Niji is currently going through their worst yab possible with Luca being outed as a sexpest and their entire corpo burning. Avoid the thread to let the sisters seethe.

>>72702647
you're 100% right. i still won't watch the homos tho.

>>72709869
Don't forget that Luca himself confirmed there were actual relationships between VTubing organs

Janny ruined the thread.
I would kill every /vt/ janny before every sister, given the choice

>>72709378
Yes it is transactional however in above mentioned cases, the transaction is completely tilted to the streamer's side with returns of hollow appreciation

>>72709449
You seem to take it as some indictment of her. You know, people still like Ollie. Every time Ollie pops up in a hologra, people will cheer, "Woo! Go Ollie!" When there's a rock song, people say, "Ollie would sound good in it."
People simply won't watch the streams or her music because they don't feel invested or attached to her. That's the point. If she is able to claw that attachment back through other methods, she can still have her cake and eat it too.

>>72709966
>"le janny bad for deleting my holo doxx"
kill yourself, ban evading faggot

>>72706503
So does CCV, as any good numbermonkey would gladly tell you

>>72709869
>Luca being outed as a sexpest
Did this gain any traction or was it written off again because the whistleblower is a crazy menhera?

>>72710171
Set yourself on fire, jannynig. You ruined the fun

Her model is actually sex and her voice/general vibe goes well with it, but she has a vitriolic streak when provoked that can really rub people the wrong way.

>>72706860
Damn, really, that's craaaaazy
Now show me Kaela's UMG sponsored deals

>>72709966
I hope you get mauled to death after your country gets skirmished doxmonkey

>>72710194
Except that CCV doesn't last semi eternally like subcounts do. There's obvious trends in ccv and outliers which can be nipped out. Just like how Salome reached recordbreaking speed in reaching 1 million subs but lost 90% of (botted) viewership in just under a year

>>72707398
Well, maybe other girls with higher CCV can, idk, a s k for it?

>>72710310
I wouldn't trust Kaela to sell water in the desert lol

>>72710385
Don't you have some booze to drink Mori? It's already mid day in Japan

>>72698215
>watch a certified whore who gets fingerbanged on stream
>Then pisses off both sides of her fandom by telling her indogs she will speak to the English speaking fans, but then pivot her streams to Indo time frames

>>72704953
So nijis having at least 3 confirmed couples (1 of them has 2 members who graduated, but they were already dating in niji) at some point means that a "male guest doesn't mean you are fucking the guy" is a fucking lie. And we are talking about dating, imagine all the other members that just fuck with each other at their parties. And if we start with indies, the discussion is not gonna end

>>72711048
Ah yes comparing Hololive, an idol company to Niji, such an excellent comparison with a lot of similarities between both their talents and their characters

>>72707938
>>72708403
>>72708560
>>72708223
>income
Any income talk is utterly and completely retarded when we still have someone like Bae putting out a much larger body of work in contents compared to other girls who took the so call income route.
Why would you niggers put so much emphasis on income as if you want the chuba to be just in it for the money? You don't want a streamer, you don't want an idol, you want a fucking grifter. There are so many other relevant metrics to prove your points and they're right ITT yet you chose to pocketwatch.
And even when it comes to income, they still get salary outside of SC and merch, any promotion or shows they're a part of they would still get paid for those. I hate to just single out a chuba again but Bae is definitely getting income from HololiveMeet and that 75 minute Kangaroo Concert, even though she apparently threw half of her income away.

>>72698215
I've always liked Ollie's design. I know that has nothing to do with her as a person but it's one of the more creative ones in Hololive.

>>72698215
I don't bother with ID or JP outside of collabs and maybe subtitled clips
I speak english and only english, so I'm not bothering with streams in another language

>>72698215
She speaks too many languages. I don't like watching things I can't understand. It's the same reason I don't like watching happy couples.

>>72698215
>>72699798
Truly the Finana of Hololive

>>72699798
>>72708494
shit on fans,
fans leaves
it's their FAULT
women moment.

>>72707269
LMFAO
Kaela beating KOBO
BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
mori really has the touch of career killing death.

>>72698215
She should do more math streams
>>72698508
Anon, op is a vshojofag

>>72723459
>Anon, op is a vshojofag
But they're winning right now, why deflect?

>>72723651
>winning
Where?

>>72708494
A reasonable take. I'm not sure why this is so hard for people to understand. Ollie courted an audience of casuals who only have a passing interest in vtubers. Of course they're not going to watch streams. They're the people who say "I really like the Holostars but I never watch them". What do you think is going to happen if you try to appeal to a demographic that primarily consume their content through clips and reddit posts?

The only way you can get high viewership is by having a dedicated audience invested enough to sit down and watch you live. And you can only do that by building a relationship with them strong enough for them to want to invest that time into you.

People are writing pages and pages of cope and mental gymnastics when the truth is simply that people don't want to see male collabs because female vtubers provide a surrogate girlfriend experience

>Pls watch the holo that stated she wanted to changed Hololive (something I love)!!!
Where are all the eceleb fans to keep watching her? Ollie was supposed to be Kobo herself but she shot herself in the foot over and over again. Also doesn’t help that she simps for the Holostars and is loud about it. Nah Ollie deserves to be last fucking place

>>72722223
>$7 bucks for Holostar stream
Lmao these fucks who claim they really really wanna see this shit never donate

>>72705432
vtubing models are tantamount to makeup so male chuubas are gay and i don't want them in my ears

>>72705288
don't get mad at us for your poor investments, you have agency too

>>72708494
>Mori managed to figure it out.
Never fall for deadbeat propaganda.

>>72702114
hope you're at least getting paid to worship growth (i.e. invested)
i don't care what the lowest common denominator wants

>>72702647
Based unicorn-slayer. Fuck em up, anon. I will now watch Ollie more.

>>72724490
Yes, and that large Indonesian audience she isolated. They didn't simply vanish. They all ended up as Kobo diehard regulars and Kobo is as big a Homo collaborator as Ollie is.
Trying to remember when she had her big sperg out. Was it before Counilrys dropped? Certainly before Advent. Most of the EN audience were drawn to Ollie because she was something new. It wasn't convenient at all to watch her streams if you were NA.
>>72725457
I'm not suggesting she's perfect. She's just more ahead of the curve then she was in 2020-2022.

>>72698215

>>72698215
Can someone give me the QRD of what happened with ollie, because she used to be really popular?

>>72698215
I want Olivia

>>72702647
>I fucking hate this garbage fanbase of Shallow knuckle-dragging troglodytes dragging down this company like a ball-and-chain.
>You would reach through the screen grab one of these women, toss them into your cave and beat them with a club fot the crime of looking at another man if you weren't crippled by fear of confrontation and whatever self-inflicted infirmity binds your influence behind a keyboard.
Lel

>>72698215
She taught my oshi how to tongue kiss. I respect that.

/thread

>>72727869
upvoted my fellow redditor

>>72698215
>she's really sweet
>anyway she insulted her whole ID fanbase
You can call her based for that, but someone who does that isn't sweet.

>>72703881
phasekeks watch this?

>>72698215
It's funny how many e-celebs used her decadent body and then threw her away. She's basically an online prostitute, the difference is that instead of sex they get views and attention and then when that ends they just forget she exists.

>>72704953
buddy, there is no reasoning with this boards and unicorns especially. they are so much of a freak that their mother abandoned them for another ""male"" and this directly appeals to their trauma

>>72722223
Its insane how for a fanbase that has been fully prepped a homostars stream is still dogshit in terms of views/donos
Like its ollie on her third year, she has pushed the homos at all times that she could and it still gets fucking TANKED because no one actually wants to watch it even if they aren't unicorns
I guess its a good reminder that homostars truly are unpopular because of their own ability and not because of the hate they get, fuck, the hate they get and being hololive adjacent probably has boosted them overall from irrelevance at 100 viewers, they truly are worthless

>>72698215
Why would people watch Ollie if she's literally just Indonesian Kiara?

>>72729790
As someone once said in another thread - maybe the women watching male streamers also don't like seeing them collab with the opposite gender.

I think Ollie's downfall wasn't even the male collabs (see Kobo) but was that she is extremely anoying (Kobo is too but Ollie is on another level), and people started getting tired of her shit

>>72728274
>Seething grey
Kek

>>72698215
I think she has some crippling debuffs:
- She started as this crazy, obnoxious character that did everything for attention and burned bright, but also that image stuck with her and anyone who doesn't want to watch that simply won't give her another chance.
- Most the clips of her that go viral are her being a straight up pervert and I'd say most STREAM WATCHERS (not clipfags) stay away from such clips, since they are the lowest of the low
- She can't sing or play anything well, so she can't have moments of brilliance through talent like some others that also had debuffs.
- Collabing with not only males, but also out of company vtubers might be an experiment worth doing but it obviously failed, since she lost more viewers than gaining some. Also being the first to collab with a lot of new Holo's is perceived as leeching since she's way down the totempole of popularity atm, so that makes things even worse.
- The last points are imo the least significant, but this at least will always sustain a dedicated anti faction: yubigate and maybe even the fact that she might not be traditionally attractive.

So what you end up is an insecure girl, that is actually nice, positive and valued by the members and community, but also one who took a lot of bad decisions careerwise

>>72732656
>She can't sing or play anything well, so she can't have moments of brilliance through talent like some others that also had debuffs.
isn't her only saving point that she is a good performer?

>>72725792
tldr tried to appeal to the wrong target audience at the expense of her core audience, core audience leaves and the target audience didn't stick around for long.