/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>73039691
Based. Those 30 people and their collective fan base sounds overly sensitive.

>>73039691
What friends?

Why is OP a faggot?

>>73039691
Friends don't bully each other to suicide

Good morning saars

Doki butt!

>>73040143

>>73039691
>traumatize over 30 people
Sister it is way more than that, should be by the hundreds of thousands including yourself of course

nijisanji actually wanted her to continue after she recovered from her suicide attempt, even after breaking copyright rules and shaming the company's reputation in the process. it was selen who wanted out after recovery via a graduation, her contract duration is still long and nijisanji does not want to lose selen while she is still contracted. so both sides try to find an agreement, and neither sides want to reach a good conclusion. and thus niji made the tough decision of terminating selen on the basis of her breaking multiple rules during her tenure and most notably during her last few months, clashing with management and telling her fans to reupload a mv while being a niji liver and using company's properties in the video that isnt granted permission yet. it was the straw that broke the camel's back.

>>73039691
To test her abilities.

>>73039691

right on sister i cannot even imagine how it must feel dor dooki to have faer and anxiety 24/7 knowing that one thes days her lies will be exposed for the world to see that day she will go back to being a nobody no one will want to interact with her like right now but worse mark my words dookiebird will fall once elira sama returns with all the receipts and expose dookiebird once and for all!

>>73040496
Idk why but
>thus niji made the tough decision of terminating selen
made me laugh my ass off.

>>73039691
Because it was fucking funny

>>73039691
How do I traumatize over 30 people like her?

>>73041038
Shouldn't ask OP, they've been trying for months but the only one getting traumatized is themself.

>>73040930
nijisanji treats the livers like its own children, selen was one of nijisanji's pillars of pride and embodiment of family love. terminating her was a very tough task, its like disowning your kid after taking care of them so much.

>>73040496
>there’s a problem
>niji does nothing
>selen can’t keep performing her activities because problem
>niji still does nothing
>contact lawyer to get out of that hellhole
It was her fault because she didn’t know she can leave anytime(it’s true because vox said so himself)

>>73041210
more like she was the fat cash cow that they had to cut off because she started being more trouble than she's worth with her pesky "ambition" and "mental state." They really didn't want to let her go until she showed receipts.

>>73041210
If selen knew japanese she would have literally become the queen of nijien.

>>73039691
Why did they risk losing one of their top talents over a fucking cover first?

>>73041614
Because you can't constantly bend the rules and ignore the rules for a single person?

>>73041614
>over a fucking cover
They were trying to beat her into submission for a while before the cover. It’s just that they didn’t expect her to break.

>>73041926
But enough about Luca, anon

>>73041926
Luca

>>73041400
Nijisanji really likes those Japanese style half lies where the livers can technically leave anytime but they have to pay a huge fee. Vox really damaged his reputation taking part in that fiasco when he could have told management to find some other idiot.

>>73042148
Seriously though,how come Selen,Yugo and Zaion got fired but not Luca?

>>73041926
They were bending the rules AGAINST her, not for her sake.

>>73041926
Luca
Aster
Scarle
Uki

The shit they did would warrant a suspension at minimum.

>>73042213
Cuz he is not gonna lawyer up, he's worthless outside being Luca so he shall sell himself to the chinks.

>>73042261
When has Scarle ever broken rules repeatedly?

>>73042261(me)
Though the Scarle shit wasn't her fault, she would have gotten suspended anyway.
Also I forgot Hex, he made way worse jokes than Zaion and he got scot free

>>73042213
Maybe he gives really top quality blowjobs. Yugo and Zaion seem like biters and not the kinky kind. Selen had no technique clearly.

>>73039691
It was the dumbass JP manager that has a grudge against anyone that moves counter to the company's image, to the point of banning any imagery of graduated livers who have spoken anything bad about Nijisanji.

>>73042314
I was referring to the starbucks and the kurosanji thing, other livers have gotten suspended because of much less but she got away with a slap on the wrist because kurosanji can't afford to have anymore bad press

>>73042213
Manjisanji is either law there, or Luca was shielded from harm because Luxiem’s success saved one manager from being fired. Whether he’ll still be immune is anyone’s guess, due to knowledge of the situation slowly being reported on in Japan.

>>73041614
jp corpos like niji and holo are quick in punishing talents, see yozora mel, the CN branch, gundou niji jp and rushia. just suspend them like cover did with haachama or niji did with sara, and motivates them to come back stronger. i hate terminations in vtubing scene, most of them can easily be avoided by issuing a suspension instead. its not like the livers committed a criminal action that gets them in jail. i agree that gundou and rushia are menheras, but have some mercy for livers that brought recognition to the brand's name.

>>73042352

Removing the individual IP counter was a mistake.

the biggest PR heist in recent history

>>73042432
>the file name
Kek

>>73041521
more like if she spoke the other chink dialect instead of cantonese she would reign undisputed

>>73039691
The cover was for her fans and was a project funded by them for years. It would be a total fucking injustice if fans were scammed by Nijisanji because their management is retarded and can't do shit right due to being probably between the age of 17-20 years old

>>73040915
Holyy jesus you are so retarded

>>73042867
anon that's sarcasm (i hope)

>>73041411
>Selen
>Cash cow
The only correct part is her being a cow

>>73042756
>being probably between the age of 17-20 years old

>management consists entirely of underpaid high schoolers and college freshman
>elira is into shotas and younger boys
>groomed them all so they'll favor her clique in exchange for onee-san boobs
it all makes sense now

>>73042919
Hold my hand, let's pray for him

>>73041614
It's because they could have gotten what we call "sued" for not getting permission from people and it could have led to a giant drama where NotNina or notMysta would be upset they're being profited off of without their consent

They also just told her to explain what actually happened instead of suspending her immediately.

>>73039691
Borderline personality disorder, I know most of you anon thinks is a meme, but eventually you will cross path with one person with BPD and will realize that Selen is literally insane and only cares about her.

>>73042974
sister she's been gone for months and the only organs left who were above her are vox, luca, and scarle. there is a massive gap between her and the next (shu iirc)

>>73042213
Yugo didn't get fired, you retard. Luca factually broke 0 rules since he just hired someone to help him with work. Which is allowed in the contract. Some menhera being upset that he wouldn't let her suck his cock isn't grounds to fire someone

>>73043174
sued for their own ip?
>>73043192
kek. this again? two more weeks

>>73042974
NIJISEETHE

>73043306
>t. Scammed Nijisis trying to cope that her oshi is the manager.

>>73043269
Cope

>>73043369
It's common courtesy to ask even graduated livers if they're OK being in an MV and apparently a few weren't OK with it and she wouldn't settle for an incomplete Fake Unity cover.

>>73043306
nijiseethe. you still coping over buying Raziel's merch?

>the sisters are the ones using region and addressing arguments in earnest
>the Dokibros are using ad hominems and "nijiseethe"

Do better

>>73043409
cope over what? my oshi is out and thriving to the point that she's able to legally hire staff to help her give even MORE back to her community, instead of lying to them, ignoring them, and outright despising them like Luca does.

>>73043535
>region and address are so fucking common for doxxsisters that they keep autocorrecting to them

>>73043192
Sister, the "Selen has BPD" narrative got old 2 weeks in, no one cares.

>>73043369
>sued for their own ip
Well if you could bother reading the contract, you know that they need a license from third parties to use some Nijisanji IP and that contractually she can't include authors of original Niji works without their permission

>>73043306
Nigga, the lawyer guy already analyzed this. He's been breaching contract nonstop and gotten away with it so much it could open Niji to a fucking discrimination lolsuit if zaion cared to fight it in burgerstan court.

>>73043572
The staff "helping her" sabotaged her chances of getting into her dream convention. She's useless in actually making a worthwhile use of her money

>>73043192
>Muh anecdote

>>73043667
>she can't include authors of original Niji works without their permission
according to the leaked contract Nijisanji takes ownership of any and all original work created by its employees, so it still doesn't make fucking sense why would they be sued from their own IPs

>>73039691
It is now Day 53 of the 3 day special operation against Dokibird

>>73043778
>he staff "helping her" sabotaged her chances of getting into her dream convention.
proof? oh right, it didn't happen

>>73043830
It's not about getting sued it's about giving the livers a little bit of autonomy lol
Imagine being Nina or something and fucking hating Selen and still having your image used by her to push unity during her graduation bait cover

>>73043692
Please tell me where the BIG APRIL BOMBSHELL is already because LOL if it was the Raziel/Luca shit

>>73043756
>The online grifter lawyer who doesn't work with contracts that gets so many laws wrong other online lawyers have to constantly correct him said he broke the contract! He says Sayu can sue

I've seen this grift before. He'll recommend a lawyer to her that just so happens to have relations to his family or friends, they rack up fees, lose and give a cut of the money to him.

Hey nijisisters can't you save your tomfoolery for later? I wanna laugh at you whores but I'm still at my 9to5. K thx bye.

>>73043174
>it could have led to a giant drama where NotNina or notMysta would be upset they're being profited off of without their consent
Zero chance. They do not own the IP.

>>73043931
>It's not about getting sued it's about giving the livers a little bit of autonomy lol
We're talking about Nijisanji anon, they do not give a shit about that and never will.
>Imagine being Nina or something and fucking hating Selen and still having your image used by her to push unity during her graduation bait cover
Whataboutism pushed by schizophrenia, take meds sister

>>73043778
so she'll go next year. she's suffering from success now and has done more indie in two months than nijien has in the entirety of 2023. grim

>>73043994
>-10k

>>73043369
>kek. this again?
Is not like she is cured of her own mental illness
>>73043643
Not a narrative
>>73043782
Not an anecdote, but the truth, also
>a image without a source from a blog called healingfrombdp

With "friends" like those, who needs enemies?

>>73044041
Doesn't address my question, he's been teasing a big April reveal that will fuck Nijisanji so where is it?

>>73043830
According to the contract, you're fucking wrong as they mention needing a license from third parties in relation to their IP and works throughout the entire article. Read

>>73043931
cool. proof ninisanji gives away ip rights when someone graduates? cuz that goes against everything else in the contract that only outlines restrictions on party b.

>>73044072
sisters lost, the truth is that Niji is failing and Doki is winning

>>73044101
>ccv in the gutter

>>73044023
Oh, so do you have any proof they don't own the IP despite Nijisanji saying so in their termination notice, saying to Selen they need perms from them and it being in the contract? Were they just lying to her in private too? Do you know more about their IP than them?

>>73044131
wrong.

>>73044156
Where's the bombshell bro?

>>73043306
Letting a 3rd party use his Niji accounts isnt breaking the rules?Okay fag lmao

>>73044248
>chain graduations

>>73044131
i know you're esl but we've been over this already. party b is not a third party, anycolor wasn't granted that ip, they own it, and the restrictions only apply to party b anyways.

>>73044233
The graduated livers literally don't own the IP.

>>73044149
No one said they gave away IP rights they just consult everyone appearing in MVs as to whether they want to actually be there.

>>73044234
Seethe. The third party obviously refers to notMysta and notNina . Because they said it

>>73043931
>autonomy
the contract says they can force the organ to do basically anything at any time. why are you pretending they care about autonomy?

>>73044325
Yeah and that doesn't mean that every liver can just pull everyone else into their cover if they wish? Do you think Selen automatically has the rights to pull Elira or Vox into a MV just because Anycolor has the rights?

>>73044434
>they can force the organ to do basically anything at any time

Selen can't though and that's the issue; she put people in the MV who did not want to be there.

>>73044503
>she put people in the MV who did not want to be there
>source?The loudest voice in my head

>>73044339
>>73044411
>party b may not use
which party was anycolor again?

>>73039691
please tell me you are getting paid for this

Weak bait try harder

>>73044437
Sounds like if management gave a shit they could've told her months before the cover was released that she couldn't and they would've avoided the shitshow, but alas they take 3 days to respond if they even do

>>73044153
Yes, and also is true that Doki has BPD, two truths can coexist.

>>73044666
Maybe she should've consulted them further before blowing 20k on a project that she didn't even know would be approved in time

>>73044290
The contract says nothing about it being prohibited to let someone play on their Minecraft account. You faggots really love cutting context

>>73044750
it was. or else it wouldn't have been completed. you're time looping again

>>73044750
>Selen had to do management's job various times because they were lazy as fuck
Lmao, also nice to see some Pomufags still defending Anycolor

>>73044608
Not Nina or Mysta since they already left the contract and got a different graduation contract. Also even if it does include them, the fourth article talks about rights being reserved to party B because of an agreement. Selen would be Party B, and she wouldn't have rights to use the members without their permission

>>73044816
>It is completely impossible that Selen did stuff without getting permission from her manager in advance

Ha these fuckers are delusional

>But what about perms, what about perms from x or y or something else?
What a retarded issue to argue about, all of these perms should of been taken care of months ago. This wasn't something Selen just sprung on their manager, it took months of working with artists and she obviously had to inform the manager of what is in the video. This all boils down to incompetent management who sat on their ass and did nothing for the talents for months and only when he absolutely had to did he start working on getting perms for the MV. Everyone who has left Niji can attest to the shit management. Perms should of been waiting for her day 1 ready to release the video.

They even gave her a chance to lessen her punishment by explaining the context under which her cover was privated but no, she decided to take the route that would just make staff look evil. All she had to do was explain that there were perms that weren't secured yet. They were fully willing to reupload the cover after perms were secured.

>>73044844
The pomudachis were among the best bootlickers on /NijiEN/ even if Pomu got a lot of her projects canned so its not a surprise
Even on her debut thread there was a few cucks defending Nijisanji

>>73045027
>This wasn't something Selen just sprung on their manager
Except it was because they said it was and this was never contested by Selen. All that text just to be wrong

>>73044755
Cutting context?

>>73045105
>Niji management believes any type of work is sprung onto them
>Therefore it's never their fault if they neglect their job

>>73045105
even the strawmanned screenshots from the black screen stream show that Selen did ask on time and it took 36 fucking hours to even get a response, it was not even the approval itself.
I know you hate being on the losing side but you just need to cope, sis

>>73045027
>Everyone who has left Niji can attest to the shit management
yeah but none of them are defending Doki lol

>>73045281
36 hours is not a long time especially over Nijifes and Christmas. It's insane that she did not even bother waiting that long.

>>73045286
and? Niji still has shit management and is currently failing because of that, sis. Has nothing to do with Doki, who doesn't need a defense because she won and is inclining

>>73044889
You have proof of this new contract, right? Because all sayu got was a silencing contract. Why would they need a separate contract post graduation when their contract already has surviving clauses? You're just desperately writing fanfiction again.
>>73044687
Yeah, and she also has a therapist and a non-hostile work environment. She'll be fine.
>>73044755
The minecraft account was linked to the company e-mail, which Raz now had access to. If she wanted to, she could have harddoxxed everybody, staff and organ alike, that Luca ever had access to, as well as reveal tons of company secrets and future projects. (which she did for the latter at least, but even now you can tell she's showing restraint)
>>73045013
Selen's so anal about perms that she's been freaking out at the idea of not having to check perms with a manager just to release a schedule anymore. You know, like the schedule that had both a MV and aftertalk on it.
>>73045081
staff was evil. Perms were secured. Storyboards exist. They were not willing to unprivate the video, and even if they had, they missed the advertised christmas window for it to go viral and grow. There is no timeline in which this was ok.

>>73045340
>36 hours is not a long time especially over Nijifes and Christmas.
LMAO you sisters are timelooping cope responses from the start of the drama. You were wrong back then and you still are. Nijifes didn't last a year and no one in Japan, much less lower management in a black company, celebrate christmas for tha to be an excuse

>>73045253
>>73045281
Don't know if you cucks know that it was Christmas and that time zones exist but giving someone a day to get perms to reach your self imposed deadline is short notice.
>Inb4 the Japanese don't care about Christmas
Factually wrong, it's still a holiday that people choose to take days off of work for

>>73045286
>my company is shit but at least the chuubas don't talk to Doki
lmao, reminds me of that comic about 2 leftoids about to get decapitated by terrorist but one of them says "At least I'm not racist"

>>73045105
Storyboards exist. The idea that the manager had never seen anything for this or knew what was in it is pure fucking delusion.
>But Niji management would never lie to cover their asses!
Pure fucking delusion. Those perms should of been ready for her.

>>73045105
If it was sprung on them, how come the only response to "cover video check" wasn't "selen what the fuck is this do you know how much work I'll have to do to get this sorted out?" and instead something along the lines of them expecting a project completion as a formality?

>>73045340
japan does not celebrate christmas as a holiday with time off.

I don't even believe these are real nijisisters, but they do their part of sophistry-cracking exercises, so thanks, assholes.

>>73044248
Luca document was it, there isn't anything else bro

>>73045436
>time zones
we can see in their own picture that it was given at the start of their work day. She was ghosted on a project they knew she had a hard deadline for

>>73045368
Nice job ignoring the entire second half of the post where I say that agreements exist where Party B gets rights to the character. Sayu got a different contract because she's a menhera that wasn't given the privilege of getting rights to her Niji model. Continue ignoring that by contract, Selen did not have rights to use third parties without permission

>>73045436
>Factually wrong, it's still a holiday that people choose to take days off of work for
you cannot confirm this as a fact because not everyone can take days off or they choose not to take it as a day off and you don't know that, in short, it is not an argument and you are a retard

>>73045368
>Yeah, and she also has a therapist and a non-hostile work environment. She'll be fine.
She is still addicted to 4chan and egosearch, she will not be fine

>>73045631
you have proof of these agreements, right? explicit proof stating that the third parties that selen violated were in fact the graduated organs, and that they were not in fact anycolor's exclusive IP?

>>73045697
>She is still addicted to 4chan and egosearch
but that's Luca, sis

>>73045105
Damn her manager must be on the really good shit if a entire mv materialises out of fucking nowhere and he doesn't act the least bit surprised about it lmao.

>>73045599
What hard deadline, retard? It's her project so it's her self imposed deadline
>>73045650
It's something called "laws" where people are given a certain amount of paid time off of work and the law that says for religious reasons, people are allowed to take extra time off work. It's also a fact that people choose to take time off for holidays
>>73045536
The video was sprung onto them and they are being professional. Unlike Selen

>>73045804
Nah, is Selen, sorry sis.

>>73045892
Last time I checked, the one writing "RENT L FREE" was Luca lmao

>>73045700
Yeah, my proof is Nijisanji knows who owns the rights, wrote the contract, and is in charge of getting permissions then they said that assets and works belonged to Nina and Mysta. Your proof is delusions

>>73044437
Graduated livers have no control over the IP, Elira and Vox are still in the company.

>73045881
Sis, try repeating these nonsense 40 more times, maybe they become true.
Or more simply foinally your mind evaporates and we are all free from your presence. That would be a win, go back do homework.

>>73045892
The Raziel document explicitly said Luca egosearches /vt/ and seethes about it, while you have no proof about Selen ever coming here.

>>73039691
She's not herself when she's not gotten her cup of coffee

>>73045881
Artist made storyboards in the starting of the project, they said so. Those where delivered to management in time. Management just made up bullshit at the last "check" just to mess with her.

Or are you going to say that the ESL 7$/h half time managers didn't do their jobs months ago when they saw the inclusion of exNiji talents?

>>73045368
>The minecraft account was linked to the company e-mail, which Raz now had access to.
Wrong, she never had the password for any email and she was a commissioner for works. She leaked nothing but gossip Luca told her and shit she worked on. I also don't know how you can say with a straight face she had restraint when she leaked their sex talk and the fact Luca's mom used to abuse him

>>73039691
why are sisters recycling timeloops from 3 months ago? why don't they move on?

>>73046102
>Artist made storyboards in the starting of the project, they said so
Uh huh
>Those where delivered to management in time
Says who? You? Because no one who worked on the project said that and Nijisanji said the opposite

>>73046087
The same document says that Selen was the one addicted to going on 4chan and that she got Luca into it. It would explain the retardation that goes on here to defend her. Maybe Selen was the one making those shitty "Doki dindu nuffin" threads

>>73045937
>>73046087
Selen was an habitual poster from /NijiEN/ and even stole ideas, jokes, images and post from there. Then she moved to her split, that she used to bump and post.

>>73046245
Ok give me couple of mins, will go and look for the artis that tweeted that.

>>73046399
>Then she moved to her split, that she used to bump and post.
I believe this rrat

>>73046087
https://youtu.be/llbzamBv8VA?t=6842
1:54:02
>Vox: Guys, okay, okay. Do you want me to explain the bite of '87 to you? Because I -
>Fulgur: No! [We?] explain the bite of '87 it's all about- I can't say that in front of you, you're too
pure
>[ ]
>Fulgur: Read up to Selen's last comment
>[ ]
>Fulgur: Vox is super pure, I'm- yeah I don't say things like that in front of Voxy, he's sweet
>Vox: Say it.
>Fulgur: Okay. [ ] Let's [ ] what Selen got here
>Fulgur: The bite of 87 happened when a tenga snapped shut on william afton's dick
that's why he's known as the purple guy- there's no bloodflow, he just turned purple

>>73046501
Original post:
>>20788751
the bite of 87 happened when a tenga snapped shut on william afton's dick
that's why he's known as the purple guy

>>73045953
source? give me a link

>>73046670
Alright I'll give you a guide
So if you search up on Google "Selen termination notice" and click on the tweet from Nijisanji then read it, you will find the source

>>73046501
Don't forget that Freddy pic fucking Vox, she got that one from here and shared it.

>>73046087
nah she's definitely is here. I wouldn't die on that hill.

>>73046769
spoonfeed me. I think you're full of shit.

>>73046860
Eat a bullet

>>73046795
>>73046087 is an actual retard or falseflagger because it's fucking common knowledge Selen was/is here.

>>73046860
Okay, so in the violations section of the notice, if you read the words "assets and works belonging to livers affiliated with Anycolor", you will get the source

>>73046940
NotMysta and NotNina aren't affiliated with Anycolor
They both graduated they no longer work with Anycolor

>>73046399
It's true, it came to me in a dream. Selen can't resist the siren call of anon exclaiming...
>PLEASE MARRY ME SELEN! I CAN COOK AND CLEAN! I'LL BUILD US OUR HOUSE, RAISE THE CHILDREN, AND DO THE TAXES!

>>73047418
Definition of affiliated: closely associated with another typically in a dependent or subordinate position

They are associated with Nijisanji.

>>73039691
>>73039809
>>73040022
same OP faggot.

>>73046245
Ok Thanks for waiting, I am back with the links no. Best we start with this https://twitter.com/visavisachan/status/1758860720928915461?t=iw48IrREai_3BnsT6ediPw&s=19

From there you can see the artist speaking about exLivers and storyboard

>>73045953
>This genius still thinks the Livers own the IP
This narrative is pure clown. Even in Holo doesn't work that way, it doesn't in ANY corpo.
By your logic, then how the MV with people who are not even in vtubing anymore got approved? Magic? They went and doxx the shit out of people to find them?
You have no proof it's your way sis, while the entire industry said several times, even Riku to the investors, that the livers don't own the Model or the IP.
The clown keeps dancing because that's all it has left in life, pathetic. Dance more, entertain us, that's all your value.

>>73047639

>>73047600
They are neither dependent or subordinate to Anycolor
They are affiliated with Vshoujo

>>73047600
>Not dependent
>Not subordinated
>Use another word for their final conclusion
The clown keeps dancing and falling on their own banane peel, hilarious. Please do continue, I'm having so much fun seeing you being pathetic. After all, this is all that is left for you.

>>73047661
Still not proof of anyone saying Nijisanji were sent and received storyboards

>>73047857
Proving you're a faggot to disprove you're a samefaggot is not an own. Fuck is wrong with you buddy?

>>73048041
>makes assertion
>proven wrong
>"well you're still a fag"

>>73047765
Other corpos aren't relevant and they get permission through emails. Riku literally said nothing about livers not owning IPs. You're putting on a good show with your lies though. Find more threads to circuspost in

>>73044437
She literally does have the right as in there is no legal framework preventing her or Anycolor from using those characters, whatever their internal rules are are completely arbitrary and only enforced at the will of the company.

>>73048141
Still doesnt change the fact youre a fag

>>73047933
>Typically
Dokifags don't even know how to read definitions

>>73048212
Just because you work at McDonald's doesn't mean you can start using Ronald McDonald in a personal project, dumbass

>>73042213
Luxiem. Even Yugo got off relatively light, being part of Noctyx. Financially negligible, and all that.

>>73039691
yeah remember guys if you dont like your job just stay it will be more healthy for you and everyone involved also its 100%normal to slander your ex co worker just because they decided to quit and everyone on the internet should just accept that the quitter is the baddie because they quit and its evil

>>73048033
Hmm maybe, maybe not. Artists say that They are well kept in the information flow, it would assume that management is too.

Another point. Section 12.3 of the NiJi contact says:
>Even in the event that ownership rights, copyrights, or other legal rights arise to Party B in the course of the VTuber Activities, such rights (including the rights prescribed in Article 27 and Article 28 of the Copyright Act) shall be transferred to the party A at the same time as such rights arise.
Meaning even if party B (Vtuber) gains anything under the contract NiJi owns it now.
Here is a link for the contract
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1TD_zerrOCu-VERBV6uSbJn5Kwj7jb9ND/mobilebasic?pli=1

>>73048336
>personal project
Not a personal project, owned and controlled by Niji regardless of who funded or created it. If McDonalds made an advertisement with a cartoon of Ronald McDonald they don't have to receive permission from Ronald McDonald's original actor.

>>73048336
You are so much of a clown you don't even realize your example implies that McDonald will be the one telling you to not do it, thus proving Niji has created an obstacle specifically for her, it wasn't some " We need to contact X first ".
Congratulation, you just proved you are wrong. How does it feel be so bad at existing that even your own brain wants to get out?

>>73040496
oh yeah the fact that multiple nijis confirm theres a queue as long as a year to graduate because niji wont let you go and they didnt want selen to go and even silence her with the contract making a skinwalker out her main is hilarious, but dont worry goys everything is the talents fault for the 50th time, all report the same thing about the shitty company but is always the talents.

>>73048182
>Literal investor presentation saying the livers don't own the model.
Poor Nijisis, so rejected by reality, so devoid of reason to exist, it tries to deny even reality in a desperate attempt to not be a clown.
We laugh, you dance, and you continue to look pathetic. Continue please, that's all you will ever be. A clown, trapped here crying to a fight even the company lost and fled from, while you are still desperately slamming your head on a PC thinking you will win.
Hilarious waste, keep dancing.

>>73048242
Employee and Contractors are affiliated to a company
They aren't employees or contractors affiliated with Anycolor
They are contractors affiliated with Vshoujo

>>73048444
Okay, so there's nothing proving Nijisanji knew about the video. The contract says "in the course of the Vtuber activities". Nina and Mysta already graduated and the same contract talks about agreements regarding rights being made with livers. The contract also says that Party B can't use other livers without permission plus Nijisanji themselves said that assets belonged to them

>>73040143
i like when doki is drawn with enormous titties

>>73039691
WHy did sneed buy out chuck and now there's no more fuck? Who the fuck wants some shitty seeds when all those farmers want is the suck?

>>73048242
Clown denies even their own words in another attempt for reality to correct itself.
Keep wasting your life and existance, Nijisis, you have been /here/ doing this for three months, how have things gone? Right, you are still a clown, and things only went worse.
Continue to entertain us, as you can see nothing works because life has rejected you as hard ad you reject reality.

>>73048972
Do you make a habit out of talking like you're the final boss in a JRPG or are you just in a mood?

you know what nijiniggers hate the most? that shes indie now and doing tournaments again, the recent one has towa in the roster and nijis cant cope how successfull she is by herself, the pros and big companies love her, the clique losers will get nothing even remotely similar when getting out of niji, maybe 100 viewers and they know it

>>73048841
>Reading comprehension
Party B transfers all rights to Party A when they stop being Party B. AKA when you stop being a liver, you don't own anything.
They are not Party B anymore once graduated. Another waste of time writing this message as the world continue to just laught at your pathetic attempt at being more than a poor example of how life is wasted.

>>73048619
Nijisanji didn't control it or own it, it's a personal project she started for work
>>73048640
>Implies
How to immediately spot a retard. It's code for "I'm going to put words in your mouth". It's more like if someone wanted to make an ad for McDonald's, McDonald's says they need to get permission from the creator of Ronald McDonald then they just start airing it anyways

>>73048841
Can you point me to the section and subsequent section that declared that.

>>73048812
No. Ex- employees are still affiliated with the company they used to work for. It's like saying retired politicians aren't affiliated with politics because they quit

>>73049181
And who is Ronald McDonald? A third party? No, it's someone into McDonald.
Point proven, please deposit more clown dancing into the bread, you are only looking more pathetic each post.

>>73049269
In what third world country you live? Politics is an argument, they are not affiliated with the PARTY anymore.
By your example, it's like saying gradutated Vtubers can't be around Vtubers anymore because they quit.
Can't wait for you to use your absolute inability to comprehend basic english to answer this. Clown trough and trough, the show never ends.

>>73049229
Article 12 sections 4 through 6
>>73049095
Proof? Because everything says you're full of shit and lying

>>73049445
>>73048444
>Even in the event that ownership rights, copyrights, or other legal rights arise to Party B in the course of the VTuber Activities, such rights (including the rights prescribed in Article 27 and Article 28 of the Copyright Act) shall be transferred to the party A at the same time as such rights arise.
Reading comprhension is gonna strike again, I'm sure. Dance clown, never stop dancing, we are being entertained by your attempt to dodge being a joke and failing, this entire thread is another NDF failure when you look retarded and the board laughs.
That's what you do for a living now. Remember that, forever.

>>73049383
The party isn't the same as the act as being involved with politics. Retired or dead politicians are still closely associated with politics so they are affiliated. Stop larping as a retarded visual novel villain

just get rid of Enna last year and NijiEn is doing fine today

>>73039691
Is this the narrative now? Give it a rest, sister.

>>73049445
Ok that's funny cos 12.4 says
>In the event of the preceding paragraph, even if the rights arise to Party B are reserved to Party B due to an agreement between Party A and Party B or for some other reason, the Party A may freely use (including sublicensing to a third party) such rights without paying any compensation for the use of such rights.
Aka if party A gives third party ( If we are speaking about Nina for example as party B) right to use her model in other work (last cup of coffee cover in this case) they don't need to ask her or pay her for her model showing up in it.

Section 12 also survives if the contract is ended or anything else is signed.

>>73049576
>in the course of the VTuber Activities
Then they quit meaning they are no longer in the course of the Vtuber activities. We've been through this

>>73049802
Party A isn't Party B. Nijisanji aren't the one using livers in their project, Selen is so unless she wants to hand her project to be handled by Nijisanji, she has to get permission

>>73048943
Only good post in this thread

TL;DR: TOTAL NIJI DEATH is the way, sisters shitting and farting to prolong the inevitable.

>>73050044
Party A own the Vtuber IP, that is clear.
Party A can sublease the right to use to others third party they wish, without ask or any payment to former party B.

Aka your argument is null and void. NiJi owns everything and can use exLivers as they wish. Management taking issues over this is full on BS, they own the IP so there is no real issue to take down the cover other than malicious ones.

>>73050476
They started requiring asking the other livers if they want to appear in covers. It has nothing to do with who legally owns the IP and everything to do with common courtesy. Should someone who fucking hates Selen be forced to appear in one of her MVs for the sake of unity?

>>73050681
>They started requiring asking the other livers if they want to appear in covers.
Ok, find me where that is. I did bring you 2 links, surely you can do the same.

>>73049716

Of course every politician is associated with politics, that's their job
What differentiates them to the wide public when they are going to vote is whether they are AFFILIATE to party A or B or C.....
(Unless you live in a country with only one party)

>>73050476
>Party A own the Vtuber IP, that is clear
Wrong otherwise agreements where they get rights wouldn't exist.
>Party A can sublease the right to use to others third party they wish, without ask or any payment to former party B.
Wrong because they said otherwise. They didn't hire Selen to be in charge of the project and they can't freely give the rights to whoever, they can only use it themselves or hire people to create shit that use the rights. Your argument relies on being unable to read contracts and you ignore the difference between Party A and Party B when convenient. Keep on seething

>>73050968
Being affiliated with politics and being affiliated with a political party are two different things. This is just common sense

>>73051096
I will deal with you after this >>73050681
Anon gets back to me with evidence of his claims, is that fair enough?

>>73051254
That'll never happen because it's a rrat so I guess I'll just wait for an eternity

>>73051366
There there, don't be too sad Anon. Let's say that if he doesn't get back here in the next 10 or so minutes we can have a go. Perfect timing for me to get a new drinks in the meantime.

>>73050681
Yes because it doesn't matter what the person behind the liver feels about Selen, the design is owned by Anycolor and can be used however they want, it'd but a fucking idiotic move but they could even recast graduated models if they felt like it.

>>73051482
If you're trying to delay an argument because someone made a rrat, I'll just accept your concession on you being wrong

>>73051159
Yes, in the same way that being ASSOCIATED with VTUBING and being AFFILIATE with Nijisanji are two different things

it is impossible A politician cannot dissociate himself from politics, but he can stop being affiliated with a political party

>>73051737
Hmm, you can assume what you want, but I am atm too faded to argue with 2 people at once.

>>73051717
Except the character is co-owned by the graduated members so they can't do whatever they want with it. Nijisanji isn't Selen either. Selen still has to follow the contract

>>73051717
Lol you know damn well you'd be shitting on Anycolor if they DIDN'T ask the livers. Imagine Elira or Enna or something including Selen in a sappy unity MV.

>>73051761
Also not how it works. If I work with Tesla then I quit working for Tesla, I'm still affiliated with Tesla because people associate me with Tesla. You don't choose what you're affiliated with, other people do

>>73044028
She won't even be here next year

If doki did nothing wrong then doesn’t a single current or ex nijien member seem to want to stand up for her? Every single person just a spineless coward? Hell they don’t even have to leave just show some minor hint of support but is anyone even willing to do that?
Plenty of them have a fan base that would follow if they left anyway. Meanwhile mint and matara seem to want nothing to do her her. Which especially for mint seems like quite the departure from a few months ago even.

>>73052024
reminder that Tesla and Edison love each other

>>73051900
How do we know that again?

>>73052398
They said so in the notice. You have to prove they're lying

Why did she betray her friends? Nijisanji had her 3d ready but she decided to ruin their home over a shitty ass cover. It's funny how you guys rallied behind false and khyo on this smear campaign, you should be ashamed of yourself. Dookie was 100% at fault here.

>>73051096
Ok 10 minutes is up and no links from other Anon, sadge.
>Wrong otherwise agreements where they get rights wouldn't exist
Ok can you find me these agreements now?
>Wrong because they said otherwise. They didn't hire Selen to be in charge of the project and they can't freely give the rights to whoever
Yes they can, it clearly says so in the contract @12.4.

>>73052854
And where can one find this notification?

>>73052941
They wrote the contract and are in charge of agreements and they said that the works and assets belonged to the livers
>Yes they can, it clearly says so in the contract @12.4.
Learn to read. It says they can use it without needing to pay. It never says anything about not needing permission and that employees can use the rights without getting permission

Guys this is getting beyond boorin at this point. All of you faggots are just taking from your ass without anything even close to evidence. Atleast Neuro vod is fire and this mean screwdriver has kick.

>>73053471
>They wrote the contract and are in charge of agreements and they said that the works and assets belonged to the livers
The contract says 12.3
>Even in the event that ownership rights, copyrights, or other legal rights arise to Party B in the course of the VTuber Activities, such rights (including the rights prescribed in Article 27 and Article 28 of the Copyright Act) shall be transferred to the party A at the same time as such rights
And you are telling me to read... Anon this is beyond embarrassing at this point.

>>73053471
>>73053900(me)
Also theres 12.1
>Party A and Party B hereby mutually confirm that ownership, intellectual property rights, or any other right shall belong to Party
How the fuck are you going to try to say Liver owns anything. That says everything is in owned by Party A.

>>73052214
Yeah, you'd fucking think Mint would follow her at least. Or Doki would follow Mint. The list of people Dokisharts have to vilify in order for her narrative to remain coherent keeps growing.

>>73052024
Now you are using a complete different meaning
That is not how contracts and laws work.
If we follow your argument if nobody knows that you work for Tesla then you aren't affiliated with Tesla.

>>73039691
Because she's a dumb Westerner who doesn't understand Japanese culture.

>>73053900
Yeah and they also mentioned agreements regarding rights existing
>>73054095
LMAO You just blatantly cut out the part where they mention needing a license from third parties

As a neutral party i think nijisanji fans should cut themselves

>>73054242
That's the same exact meaning as the definition. To be associated is to be connected. You are still connected to your past employers as you are an employee. You don't choose what you're connected to

>>73039691
>friendships
sister go to fucking sleep you stupid fuck

>>73054337
Yes I did, now explain 12.1 faggot. Here I even made this picture to help you.

>>73054494
Those are two different definitions
If you look in the examples of any dictionary you will see those are different situations.
No contract or law would use the two definitions at the same time

its crazy that youre all arguing with someone who said yugo wasnt fired when he said he was fired

>>73054732
Already did but apparently I need to explain the same thing over and over again because you're too retarded to read
>Third party = other livers that aren't involved in someone else's contract
>Contract mentions agreements existing where livers get rights
Do I need to use simpler words?

>>73054829
It's the same definition.
>To be closely associated is to be affiliated
>To be associated is to be connected
>Ex employees are still connected to their former jobs. They even put them on resumes
Do you have it down now?

>>73055066
>Third party that have given a LICENCE OF USE
AKA the game company, not a mother fucking exLiver. How in the fucking flat earth does exLivers give any licence when they won fuck all?

>>73055066
>Third party = other livers that aren't involved in someone else's contract
No it doesn't Why would livers be both Party B AND Third Party you shit eating mongoloid
>Contract mentions agreements existing where livers get rights
No it specifically says livers have NO rights becvause livers are Party B and not Third Party, Third Party are brand deals like the google pixel shit or pop up cafes

>>73055332(me)
*own fuck all

>>73055332
Prove it because the entire section is about their IPs and not copyright. Saying it's for copyright means that they started talking about a different company's IP for no reason without mentioning that and that they own everything you created before even joining Niji and during Niji which is retarded. The rights obviously refer to the characters

>>73055383
Holy shit, you cucks are retarded
>Party B = person signing the contract
>Third party = anyone who isn't Nijisanji or the person signing the contract
Do you faggots really think third parties automatically mean a different company despite the people who actually know how their company works saying otherwise? You're so retarded that you're telling the company what counts as a third party and what doesn't

>>73055671
You are so broken and beyond help. I can't help you anymore Anon. I can only lead horse to water, but can't make it drink.

exLivers DONT OWN SHIT. THIRD PARTY IS THE GAMING COMPANYS AND OTHER IP HOLDERS NIJI AND LIVERS WORK WITH YOU ABSOLUTE AMOEBA.

>>73055935
And you have yet to prove anything you're saying so you're having a meltdown. Other companies are never mentioned in the contract and the section is entirely about IPs related to Nijisanji and not whatever shit you make up

>>73055903
>Party B = person signing the contract
Yes and EVERY SINGLE LIVER UNDER NIJISANJI SIGNS THE SAME VERSION OF THE CONTRACT

My god this fucking contract debate is so retarded, It's just both sides going nuh-uh and yeah-huh over and over and over again, But the side saying livers don't own IPs atleast makes sense from a business perspective, Why would ANYCOLOR of all fucking companies give joint ownership of the IP of their vtuber models to ex talents and not any other vtuber agency in the entire sphere?, If fagni still had partial rights to magmites he absolutely would have taken advantage of it

>>73056062
Topic of 12 is and I quote "Ownership of Rights" NOT IP.

Also I don't have to prove anything since it's a Niji contract I am quoting here.

Other companies are mentioned in the third party. All 12.1 says is that NIJI and Liver agree that NIJI owns the model and CocaCola owns CocaCola. READ motherfucker

>>73056086
First off, prove that
Secondly, any person that isn't the person signing is a third party. It's already mentioned agreements exist where rights get given to the person signing

>>73056504
> It's already mentioned agreements exist where rights get given to the person signing
No actually it states the livers own NOTHING and actually anycolor gets to take anything they used while working under them, Like their PC and equipment, as property after they are let go from the contract,

>>73056187
You're a retard. The co owner has to get permission to use the rights from the other co owner, it explains why they don't just hire any faggot to replace Sana
>>73056332
Semantics. The ownership of rights are about the rights relating to Niji. You are claiming they're talking about other companies despite them not being mentioned, you have to prove it and prove that they're lying when they said that the assets belonged to the livers. Third parties being mentioned doesn't mean that other companies were mentioned, the word "other companies" was never said

>>73056713
You're not worth my time, you're just repeating the same shit that was already debunked by actually reading the contract now. Read the thread instead of fishing for (you)s

>>73056187
Anyone who even glanced at that contract already knows it's completely boned on the liver's side. The sophistry right now is over how badly it bones the liver (like it matters lol, it's just plain exploitative no matter what lol). Just know that Niji in the least oughta fuck off from the entire West hemisphere.

>Claim: Former livers still own the IP of their Nijisanji Selves
>No Former liver has ever used their Nijisanji selves even the ones that left on good terms
explain.

>>73056504
My drink is done now also Neuro vod ended. So Anon, in the last hour or so you have failed elementary readin 101, failed to bring forth anything to backup your claims, failed your country's whole schooling system, failed to show me how wrong I was and more so. You have wasted your own time. So therefore I am going to declare you an absolute retard and a faggot.

>>73056923
Seethe more faggot. The contract was largely a nothing burger because it's the most bare bones talent agency contract. You have never worked a job in your life. Nijisanji will continue to operate in whatever country they want. Cope more faggot

>>73057068
Here's your argument
>Prove my made up bullshit is wrong
>That evidence isn't good enough, they're lying
> I see you couldn't disprove something I completely made up in my eyes. I have won this argument
Go back to drinking and ruining your liver, I can see the alcohol has already fucked with your brain

>>73057091
I know you're just being a nonce on purpose. I ain't respecting your literal hours defending the indefensible, even if it was purely for shitposting purposes. Fuck man, you've been at it for 5 hours. Doesn't it get nauseating?

I'm a wolf, bark bark. Awoo.

>>73055190
They are not the same
One is being affiliated to a company by the employement bond
The other is being affiliated to a company because of a association made by third parties

The firts the person is legally bonded with the company
The second they are not

>>73057396
Um. I have been around for like hour and a half ish. Glad you think I might be a Brit tho. That is quite the compliment *tips fedora*

>>73057396
>A limey faggot calls someone a sex offender out of nowhere because they said a contract was industry standard
Kek keep confirming that you have never worked a day in your life. Must be miserable living in Britain , you don't even know what counts as exploitation because of it

>>73057554
The only definition for being "affiliated" is to be connected. Stop coping

>>73057778
>found the 3er worlder defending a corporation

>>73040496
Get hospitalised due to abysmal work environment, get skinwalked, try to leave, get denied, try to negotiate privately, get publicly shamed. The sisters are so bitter that the Black Company label sticks they still damage control months after the incident. People who leave start streaming again, sisters panic. Sigh

>>73056768
How new can someone be to not know what happened the last time a company replaced a vtuber?

>>73057938
>Commie thinks that not immediately shitting on a corporation makes you poor
Marx wouldn't approve of your methods, brit. Your movement is dead too

>>73057928
According to the Oxford and Cambridge you are wrong

>>73058012
I'm not new, that's why corporations started giving people who leave the company rights so that they are not only morally prevented from replacing people but legally too

>>73058109
>he thinks he will get 2%
Riku wont give you shit even if you defend him in front of your family, Nijinig

>>73058181
>Cambridge: connected with or controlled by a group or organization:
>Oxford: closely connected to or controlled by a group or an organization

You can stop making this retarded argument now

>>73056187
The other side also seems to think that dictionary definitions are the same as legal definitions, and no one seems smart enough to point that out.

>>73058319
Nijifags get gift cards bro...

>>73044339
Except contract clauses like party B allows them to do whatever the fuck they want. Niji isnt the standard vtuber contract there are many things designed to trap you in fines or bypass your rights voluntarily. Also still management dropping the ball on permissions over 2-3 months

>>73058345
Do you know what OR means?

>>73058370
I forgot... they can feed their entire village with 2 gift cards

>>73052138
>Source: The voices on my head
I know that reality is harsh sister, but you need to start to accept it. It's just sad. NijiEN is done and will be merged with the main branch, and will never return to the western world

>>73058358
Dokifags are pussies to afraid to quote people even while they're anonymous. Here's the legal definition of affiliated
>Generally, an affiliate is an entity that is related to another legal entity

Still applies to ex employees

>>73040221
Sisters can't meme

Just came in from /news/, whats up.
What's with all these new wave of Americans and Canucks jumping in to suck Riku off? Amamiya mod fiasco setting off the Japanophiles? Coolest contrarian position to take?

>>73058424
The ORs don't matter because they're not related to ex employees still being affiliated with the company. To be affiliated means to be connected and former employees are still connected to their previous jobs

>>73058543
That was my first post in this thread, and no court of law would ever accept that interpretation of the definition.

There is 0% chance that Nijisanji would be willing to give rights to the character design to ex employees.

They are not even willing to give out play buttons.

>>73043996
>Headcanon
>>Verification not required.

>>73058211
>Tons of absolute bullshit fanfiction i made up on the spot
kekaroo, This board is the gift that keeps on giving

>>73044844
The one thing I didn't like about Pomudachis is they fucked up reassuring her during the Firewatch stream after she returned soul searching in Japan. They are the best Niji fan base though having her back alongside dragoons. Once Rosemi leaves Niji will die again. Sisters who watch males are just verbose and the rest sheep. They will move onto people who are popular, they don't care about the talent they watch.

>>73058543
>Dokifags
Outed yourself nijinig, Nobody in this thread watches vtubers, especially not doki, They're just dramafaggots and trolls, all actual dragoons have moved on, and they have a karaoke to watch right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXgD_IeXhh4

>>73058855
/NijiEN/ is proof of the current fan base, the only female fanbase with actual good following are the Rosebuds... the rest of the time is pure sister cringe

>>73045081
Why play nice with people who are lazy and treat you like shit despite being the fucking top earner of the business? They never fixed Pomu's wings btw, 1 entire fucking YEAR! Just spend the money and get the asset fix, nawww, thats money for the shareholders or the paycheck for the yacht.

>>73059046
Aren't the schizos in /Lazu/ still propping up the Pomu corpse with Elira Blackstreama and the Measurement Unit dudes?

>>73059138
Because the blowback hurt tons of people for months

>>73043996
This isn't like your afternoon TV dramas, sickling

>>73058762
>Retard thinks they argue about semantics in court
It's pretty clear what people mean when they say someone is affiliated

>>73059592
>missing the point
>It's pretty clear what people mean when they say someone is affiliated
The fact that you’re pushing your retarded interpretation here says otherwise.

>>73059395
>Muh blowback fanfic
Are you actually mentally deficient?
Nijisanji is thriving, doomerkun! They've been killing it across 2023 to 2024.

NijiEN has nothing to save itself. Recruiting new talent doesn't work because no one wants to suck up to a clique who gate keeps the maximum potential Niji offers and the obvious lack of support unless you are number 1. But even then you are taking resources from the clique so you will get mistreated. All the girls who passed on entering this shit hole shoukd be proud of themselves.

>>73059721
There is no need to interpret anything, retarded ESLs just don't know what words mean

>>73060419
>retarded ESLs
Yeah, (You).

>>73039691
>she throw all of her friendships away
she didnt

>>73041210
>nijisanji treats the livers like its own children
Ah yeah, they make sure their "children" gets the Asian Parents experience x10

>>73039691
It was pretty shitty for Nijisanji to take down her MV on Christmas.
Selen did right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L88r98G4YiM

NijiEN will not take this down because they know they are in the wrong.
Always wrong.

>>73039691
It's always better to disappoint than be disappointed.