/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>73494196
Next milestone 2232? Ninisani let's GOOOOOOO

This is such a retarded thread it feels like a false flag attempt.

>>73494196
Uuuh boy
Negligible hitting like a truck

>>73494252
Negligible thread. In my opinion this thread is not harassment.

>>73494196
i heard that jp nijis wishing for the company to cut off the rotting arm failure of a brach before it kills the company

>>73494383
True. Anon can leave whenever he wants

>>73494196
The investors just fucking asked if they could leave.

>>73494196
Negligible looking ahh stance

>>73494196
inb4 what about Cover?

>nijisanji stock STILL in freefall
What the fuck did they do this time? Last I paid attention to this shit it was stabilized at 2500-2700.

the stock was 3820 on feb 5. That was the highest it would ever rise again.

>>73494196
That's not 104%, retard.

>>73494463
Japan is noticing just how fucking badly Niji EN is tanking.
for god's sakes they're losing subscribers. As an entertainment company, that is not normal at all. It got so bad that even JP subs suffered for a bit. Dunno if they're still falling but they probably recovered from that relatively quickly.

>>73494196
If investors don't like it, they're free to just sell their stock at any time.

>>73494463
you answered your own question. The stocks don't go up despite margin sell restrictions so investors are losing confidence.

>>73494196
cover is sinking too

>>73494516
I did the math. OP was wrong about negative 104%, it is actually negative 166%, only in the last 5 months

>>73494196
they should just hide the stock price from the public.

>>73494196
I like shitting on Kurosanji like every other guy but it's JP trend overall it seems.

>>73494508
>the highest it would ever rise again
You wish boyeh, once Riku releases them STEAKS he's been cookin', you'll curse yourself for missing the dip.

>>73494508
what was the lowest they ever hit again? ever since the whole shitstorm with Selen started I mean.

>>73494581
Why are you making shit up?

>>73494558
Still up since IPO and nobody actually cares about cover's stock price, not even yagoo who told investors to fuck off when they wanted to decrease holo cuts to take more money for themselves. Meanwhile Riku is obsessed with anycolor's stock price which is down since IPO and has so many hoops jumped through to try keep it up so it's funny to laugh at it.

>>73494558
The difference is that if cover stock falls enough, Yagoo is perfectly happy enough to buy it all back and take it private again. They have a functioning company and don't need to worry about fucking with stocks.
Meanwhile, anycolor just used a fuckton of money to inflate its stocks up... right before february 5 caused it to crash down... down... down.... far below even their entry point. If you bought cover stock when it came out, you'd still have way, way more money than you started with. If you bought Anycolor stock at any point in history and still have it? You lost a fuckton.

>>73494558
No it's not

>>73494587
if they could, they WOULD. Unfortunately for them it doesn't work that way

>>73494603
>the animated shorts
the ones Selen commissioned and paid for?
>a nice group picture
like the ones Selen always commissioned and used in her projects?
>>73494605
This is it. This is the lowest it's been since it started. We've gone below the last drop now into new territory.

>>73494613
I'm not making shit up

3855 (Dec 11) / 2323 (Apr 12) * 100 = 166(%)

Feel free to check on the stats sister. It's 5th grader math

>>73494651
You don't understand mathematics

>>73494690
and whatcha gonna do about it huh?

>HOLOSEETHE

>>73494742
Humiliate you until you end yourself.
Imagine being a wannabe /biz/poster and failing at 5th grade math. Well you don't have to since you did exactly that.

>>73494196
>NEGATIVE 104 percent
I'm going to believe this is a false flag and you're only pretending to be retarded
It'll be fun though to see where it lands at the end of this month. I'm predicting after the 2023 earnings report it hits the sell limit again.

we've gone from arguing whether nijisanji is failing to arguing about how hard they're failing, bravo

>>73494651
Oh my God these are the guys we have doing numberfag "analysis" here

What is the tactical advantage of letting a woman with borderline personality disorder run your business overseas into the ground?

>>73494651
1.66x is a ratio between the old price and the new one. All it tells you is how much bigger it used to be.
The equation you're looking for is
> (1 - (new price / old price) * 100
Which will give you the % that it's dropped since December (39.7%)

>>73494196

>>73494886
Pardon
>(1 - (new price / old price)) * 100
I forgot a bracket, this is why I don't program

>>73494886
nice.

>>73494813
ESG brownie points

>>73494813
They did it to save money

>Negligible

>>73494252
negligible thread nothing will come of it.
except maybe giggles.

>nisannisan
pffft.

>>73494937
It actually is

>>73494957
HOLOSEETHE

>>73494196
and im free. freeee faaalllling.

>>73494623
Buyback is bad for Cover too no matter what, but they don't need to worry about the stock price because they still have all the assets they invested in. The reason why Anycolor stock matters is that they did pump money into it that they could have used for assets and now they lost it all.

>>73494937
see >>73494623. Honestly now that cover is thriving, I'd rather they buy back all the stocks and go private again so they won't have to deal with greedy ass shitty investors anymore.

>>73494937
>>73494957
OP is showing 5 days, not 1. Cover is down over over 5%

>>73494603
3Ds matter if you actually have an audience that cares and is still there. Random small corpo girls sometimes get 3Ds and they get like... a couple K viewers, maybe? Because it's the accumulated highest-effort turnout possible from someone who normally has a couple hundred viewers. NijiEN events would be no different. A 3D for a TTT girl like Kunai would probably get under 5k unless it's botted or bigger names try to guilt-trip their own fans into going and watching her just to please them (doubtless a tactic nijiEN will employ).

>>73495005
No they should not. Every yen they buy stock for is money that will be missing for projects. They'd have to sink millions for no return.

>>73494603
I think ill take the risk elsewhere with this company's reputation not doing so well...

>But what about cover ?!?!?!
Sisters....

I think that this paints quite the better picture...

>>73494596
Cover stock is +51.59% all time whereas
Anycolor stock is -28.96 all time

>>73495036
Exactly. Anons act like Yagoo has endless pockets. Not to mention the JP economy is turning to shit right now.

>>73495005
Yeah, it's bad either way, but they're in no immediate danger, unlike Niji.
If Niji collapses entirely, it'd likely deal heavy damage, though. Poisonous vermin to the end.

>>73495055
Grim
Any reports of nijisisters killing themselves over this?

>>73494937
I am gonna buy the dip so fucking hard

how long until it falls below cover, it definitely won't shut the nijisisters up but it will be funny

>>73495055
Nijisanji chart literally looks like a shit coin

>>73494603
those steaks been cooking for years I think they might come out charred.

>>73495055
All you're really showing is that all of the recent changes are also happening to Cover stock.

>>73495094
i don't think that will happen

>>73494651
By the lord you're so fucking dumb I almost had an aneurism to get the percent you take 2323/3855 = 0.6025 so 60.25 % but since it's a decrease in valuation and not an increase you do 1 - 0.6025 = 0.39975 which means the price decreased by almost 40% (the stock has a value of 60% of what it was in dec 11)

>>73495055
what in the pump and dump happened in 2022 anyways? I didn't know they got fucked that hard in 2023 since by then I'd already tapped out.

>>73495125
>all
Except the niji cliff.

>>73494603
Woah, Niji really does rhyme with busy.

>>73495125
I don’t remember the nosedive, when did that happen to Cover, anon?

>>73495240
>>73495260
Where are you seeing a nosedive? The recent charts are pretty much identical.

>>73494603
>she really fucking thinks TTT will stick around for long enough to get 3D
Jesus christ her head is so far up her ass it's coming out the other end like a Xenomorphs mouth.

>>73494383
If Riku wanted this thread down he could just fucking ask

Still more than cover lmao. Seethe holobronies, you lost.

>>73495441
>more
You do realize if you account for the money they spent in the buyback, they've actually lost more money from their stock than if Cover went down to 1k per share, right?

>>73495458
>N-NO BIGGER NUMBER DOESN'T MEAN BETTER BECAUSE UHHH JUST BECAUSE OKAY!!!!
Lmao cope and seethe

>>73495492
Yeah the cash Anycolor lost is bigger.

>>73495492
>Anycolor -28%
>Cover +51%
Yeah, Cover is winning

>>73495523
And over the past 5 days (which is what this thread is about) Cover went down more than Anycolor.

>>73495441
>>73495492
I'm wondering if this is a falseflag or if sisters still don't understand proportions

>>73495544
Still doing better than anycolor while those mutts are losing millions every time Enna does a stream or tweets
Cope

>>73495492
Share prices are variable, that's kinda the whole point of them. They bought 800k shares for a grand total of 2.5million yen, which means they bought them at about 3200 per share if my calculator is right. So first of all, that is a straight net-loss unless the price grows and they sell them back. And second of all, it's now at almost exactly -1000 yen from what they intially bought it at.

Hence, if you were to go all in on Cover right now, and they dropped 1k yen, you'd be losing almost the exact same amount of money. However the difference is (you) went all in on Cover, Cover didn't spend a single dime.

>>73495579
>2.5million
God that is a major fuckup on my part, that's my bad. It was 2.5 BILLION yen.
https://ssl4.eir-parts.net/doc/5032/ir_material1/221887/00.pdf Here's my sauce.

>>73495284
anon, the difference is in how they spent their money.
ANYCOLOR used a fuckton of money to pump their stock's prices in december.
COVER used less money than that to build the biggest 3D studio in Japan.
ANYCOLOR lost all of that money and more after the seren shokku. even if cover's stock "tanks" they still have both the studio and actual growth globally and domestic.

>>73495544
and over the past 3 months anycolor went from 3800 yen to 2300, cover went from 2700 yen to 2000, also keep in mind the japanese economy is tanking, and keep in mind that the normies lump all vtuber agencies together so anycolor's neverending stream of controversies will all also reflect poorly on cover, And you have a recipe for both stocks tumbling, But anycolor's had further to fall, and cover's is still above it's initial entry point so it is winning

>>73495603
So like, 16-17M USD at roughly the exchange rate then, no? Didn't cover spend like half that on a brand new studio?

>>73495628
It's kind of like playing chicken except your opponent starts a football field closer to the cliff.

>>73495637
yes. the studio was like 12-14m usd iirc? That's what Niji could have gotten and more if they'd reinvested that money into the company instead of pumping the stocks to sell later.
Instead now they're bragging about buying a few KU100 that all of niji will have to share. It's actually hilarious how little they give a shit about their employees and the overall health of the business itself.

>>73495560
Don't wonder at this point, it's always the same style of bait.

>>73495605
I think its funny that NijiEN is only 2 million hours ahead of a single vtuber gen in ReGloss, Like seriously regloss ON ITS OWN is at 4,345,880 hours watched, 5 streamers, and niji en has like quadruple the amount of streamers
(I will say it is a shock to see holostars EN drop by 44% from 2023 to 2024 despite technically growing in numbers, Losing vesper/magni really fucking hurt them a lot huh)

>>73495628
This thread isn't about the past 3 months, it's about the past 5 days. If you don't want to talk about the past 5 days then why make the thread in the first place?

>>73495605
"hours watched" doesn't have anything to do with growth.

>>73495544
>>73495729
Post the full chart.

>>73495729
>NOOOOOOO YOU NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC SMALL PICTURE LENS OF THE SITUATION THAT I CAN SPIN INTO A POSITIVE BECAUSE....WELL BECAUSE OKAY!!!
Yeah no fuck you nijifaggots i'm not op so i don't need to play by any arbitrary """rules""" about how the topic should be talked about

>>73495729
the past 3 months is kind of relevant since the past 5 days have shown that people don't even give a shit about losing money. They want out before they lose even more.

>>73495780
Is that so? So, it’a negligible is what you’re asserting?

the ARLive will save the stocks
Holocels will cry

>>73495729
Did you buy stocks 5 days ago? Because nobody did
Everyone is dipping out from anycolor

>>73495125
>>73495284

Japanese stock market and the yen are taking a big hit right now, that reflects on almost all Japanese stock options going down daily.

However, while a downwards trend is normal, big dives in price are not.

Another thing to take in account, is that anycolor chart is rated in 1000's and cover corp is rated in 500's, you have to look at the relative numbers not only to the pretty shapes in the chart..

>>73495780
next you'll say CCV, Superchat Revenue, Sub Count, And Merch Sales have nothing to do with growth, Cause hololive is beating niji in literally all of those aspects, They only lose out on "profits" because they spend more on unique merch drops instead of copypasted chinese bullshit, and they pay their talents what they are worth instead of niji organ slave wages

>>73495729
Yes, like telling anons to stay within your arbitrarily defined boundaries for this conversation is going to work.

>>73495800
The past 3 months are not relevant to the losses over the past 5 days when Cover lost even more.

>>73495055
/biz/ here. Not defending Niji, but they had a stock split. Price halved at a point (that downward slope), outstanding shares no. doubled.
Either way, short nijiand buy Cover before the next report.

>>73495725
>shock to see holostars EN drop
lol

>>73495729
time to buy that dip in ANYCOLOR
I'm SURE this is the lowest point and it'll skyrocket back to 3k any... day... now...

>>73495849
>The past 3 months are not relevant
NEGLIGIBLE

>>73495827
>This hastily scraped together blend of year old footage from a concert we cancelled with 4 of the top members cut from it will SURELY save us!!
Yeah okay buddy meanwhile us "holocels" will be enjoying our fresh new concert in Australia

>>73495841
>next you'll say CCV, Superchat Revenue, Sub Count, And Merch Sales have nothing to do with growth
Why would I do that? It's only "hours watched" that's a meme cope stat. It's CCV multiplied by hours streamed which have literally NOTHING to do with growth.

>>73495854
oh thanks. That clears it up. I was wondering what the hell that huge cliff was since things looked pretty rosy for the company as a whole in 2022(actual talents' mental health being a separate issue).

>>73495859
time to buy that dip in Cover
I'm SURE this is the lowest point and it'll skyrocket back to 3k any... day... now...

>>73495892
CCV, superchat revenue, sup growth, and merch sales are a much, much more grim picture.
Vox's anniversary merch STILL hasn't sold out.

>>73495925
Did I ever argue otherwise? I only told you that your meme "hours watched" stat has nothing to do with growth.

>>73495917(me)
I'm an idiot. cover on the brain.

>>73495959
Cover stock only goes down. It's not a good investment.

>>73495949
No, I'm not arguing with you. I'm just saying that of all the metrics, hours watched is probably the most generous one for Niji right now.
...which is kind of saying something.

>>73495637
I think it was roughly the same amount? There‘s a clip floating around with Oshio being mad about a skit with Kanata‘s 3D model, which mentions 2.7B iirc.

>>73494196
OH NO SISTER,BUY THE DIP SISTER,FAST!!!

>>73495978
>Up 50% from IPO
>Meanwhile, Nijisanji

>>73495987
"hours watched" is not a real metric. Like I said, it's just CCV multiplied by stream hours which isn't an actual measure of anything.

pretending to be a retarded nijisanji fan has to be some of the easiest (you)s in the history of the board

>>73495780
>hours watched has nothing to do with growth
for an industry mainly focused on streaming? is this a joke?

>>73496013
>Up 50% from IPO
And now it's only going down. How is buying a freefalling stock a good investment?

>>73496025
>a retarded nijisanji fan
You needn’t be so redundant, anon.

>>73496033
If "hours watched" reflected growth then a streamer who never gets more than 1k viewers but starts doing longer streams is "growing" according to your retarded stat.

>>73495854
The fact that this company used to value above 6k yen is absurd. Like I know Niji back then was massive, but damn

>>73496052
>>freefalling

>>73496052
>Anycolor stock hasn't been higher than its IPO after the P&D and stock split

>>73496033
In terms of a specific streamer? Yeah, not really. In terms of an entire company? Nijisanji will always have more hours watched than literally any other one just by the virtue of them having 3x the amount of people streaming at 3x the frequency. Even if Gura streamed once a month she'd still lose in hours watched to say, a week of Kanae tops.

>>73496033
sister in desperate state,pls andastand

>>73496080
Honestly, it works out if they monetize it throughout at a consistent pace. Twitch is great for exactly that through raids.

>>73496140
Squeezing more money out of a stagnant audience isn't growth.

The stock prices are meaningless to the real health and working of a company.

You can inflate the stock price of your company using various methods to a peace investors or create a false sense of growth in the public aye as a PR campaign, but that doesn't help long term.

When you see a stock option with big peaks and valleys over only 2 years, that usually means that it's a volatile option used to speculate or that is an artificial pump in price.

When you see a stock option whit moderate growth without massive peaks or valleys in their price it means that is a long term investor option with organic growth and little to none speculation market.

>>73496129
>will always
Umm, about that...

>>73496129
...Except they didn't.
>>73495605
They have a billion more organs and yet... people just aren't watching them compared to the strong but few hologirls.

>>73496052
Shhh. Let them lose it all.

>>73496173
Won't the same happen to the Nijisanji stock?

>>73496203
When did anyone say that Niji stock is worth buying?

>>73495247
The funniest shit is that we are in the 3D debut and concert phase and it’s dipping.
You can keep try to sell stuff but if the market is gone, is gone sis. I actually expect the Japanese getting pissed off that 3view gaijins are eatting all the stuff for losing money while JP livers are forgotten, only because Riku can’t admit he hired narcs with no talent and lost everyone with some along the way.

>>73496167
>The stock prices are meaningless to the real health and working of a company.
well,we know the state of the company,i mean look at niji branch,KR DEAD,IN DEAD,ID DEAD,EN well you can see its sinking,JP stuck and now has to cover EN,so if stock is bad and state of company even worse,whats left?

>>73496129
>Nijisanji will always have more hours watched than literally any other one
anon... the graph is literally right there >>73495605 both Holo JP and EN are dunking on their respective niji counterparts on top of ID, DEVIS, and surprisingly the homos all in top 15.

>>73496129
"Hours watched" are irrelevant no matter what you're talking about. It's not a real statistic.

>>73496167
>The stock prices are meaningless to the real health and working of a company.
They would be... if Kurokara didn't spend 2.5 billion yen explicitly on not supporting the health and workers of the company.

>>73495892
Let me break this down by comparing holoEN to NijiEN, This is comparing the average CCV for each branch in march of 2023 to their numbers in march of 2024
Hololive EN in 2023 had a branch average CCV of 6060, and overall watched hours of 6.8 million
Nijisanji EN in 2023 had a branch average CCV of 1849, and overall watched hours of 11.5 million
In between 2023 and 2024, Hololive EN gained 1 wave, Advent, Consisting of 4 channels, Since we are ONLY comparing march of 2023 and march of 2024, It is worth noting that fuwamoco only had like 5 streams in all of march due to them moving to japan and being stuck in limbo, So hololive only really gained 3 consistent streamers
NijisanjiEN had 4 graduations and 1 termination, Nina Kosaka, Mysta Rias, Pomu Rainpuff, Kyo Kaneko, And Selen Tatsuki, Vox Akuma and Elira Pendora were also fully AWOL for march so we can discount them too, so that is -7 streamers, BUT nijisanji EN debuted two full new waves in 2023, Krisis and TTT, Bringing in a whole 6 new vtubers and thus they were technically only down -1 vtuber in terms of raw numbers
So in March 2024, Hololive EN gained +131.81% in watched hours, going from 6.8 million to 15.8 million, the average CCV of the branch GROWING from 6,060 per stream to 7,826
Nijisanji EN in march 2024 on the otherhand, Decreased by 44.87% in watched hours, going from 11.5 million to 6.3 million, the average CCV dropping from 1,849 to 1,275
Keep in mind the zaion termination had JUST happened in march 2023 so there was a drama debuff happening then for nijiEN at the time, Despite that they still maintained fairly strong numbers, especially compared to holoEN in march 2023, All of this is to say, TOTAL NIJIFAGGOT DEATH and HOLOLIVE ONLY GROWS STRONGER

One of the things i never see discussed is the pipeline.
Advent brought back the EU hype. ID3 was also a bit of a smash (with Kobo in particular becoming one of the faces of Hololive.
On top of this, gen 7 is long overdue. Basically we have three waves (in each of their core branches - notwithstanding even a possible expansion into a new market) eagerly anticipated.
Now contrast this with the latest NijiEU gens... the folding of the ID branch... And theyre pretty much canibalizing their JP audience.

And then theres the investment into the studio (which is already priced in), versus anycolor burning money on stock buybacks. It seems a bit of a no brainer if you want to throw a few thousand into one or the other for a long term investment (well, if you arent short/day trading).

Honestly, i was waiting for 2100 for cover (since we're at support levels). But perhaps with earnings on the horizon, i'll hold out a bit longer. But i reckon you need to be in before the summer since we're going to see at least one of the big two making an announcement (EU/JP - id is pretty much confirmed).

>>73495374
>like a Xenomorphs mouth
goddamnit Anon, I just finished playing Aliens Fireteam Elite a couple hours ago, you gave me a good chuckle with this one ahahahaha

All the 'Wolf of Wall Street' enthusiasts in this group discussing stocks as if VTubing were not an industry with staying power, destined to lose its appeal and viability within five years.

Sorry, no idea why i said EU and not EN.

>>73496262
Yeah not reading any of that. "hours watched" is a meme "stat". I never said niji is better. I simply called your retarded number retarded.

>>73496228
to be fair, investors don't know shit.
Cover stock was dropping during holofes up until they announced the actual results to them.

>>73496278
I said almost this exact same thing in 2018 when 2D streaming became a thing. I'm glad to have been a totally wrong faggot, and I hope when you see a post like yours in another 5 or 6 years you make one just like the one I'm making here and complete The Cycle.

>>73496278
we said that about justin.tv tbdesu

>>73496278
They said this when kizuna ai petered off like 6 years ago.

>>73496333
I accept your concession, But lemme pull up the numbers that are relevant to my point
>Nijisanji EN CCV 2023 vs 2024. 1849 to 1275
>Hololive EN CCV 2023 vs 2024, 6060 to 7826
If that isn't decline vs growth i don't know what is

>>73495063
Both are horribly overvalued. People in this thread might not want to believe it but both stocks are gonna be under 1500 in a few months. The stock pays no dividends and is way to volatile to do anything but gamble with it. The Selen thing and collapsing stock is a coincidence.
Cover has only sold off 1.46% of their stock and Anycolor also is sub 10% in that regard. As much as people don't like it the stock price isn't a big deal UNLESS the CEO wants to cash out.

If you want to see how a company is doing just check what you personally value. I value viewership and Hololive is the clear winner.

>>73496408
Your "point" has literally nothing to do with what I said. You're just a sperg fueled by you hallicinating an imaginary battle.

>>73494196
I've seen worse.
But yeah, probably not negligible.

>>73496422
>coincidence
Anon...
Does this date seem familiar? How about Feb 12? You can see both of them very clearly on the graph.

>>73494196

>>73496422
>As much as people don't like it the stock price isn't a big deal UNLESS the CEO wants to cash out.
Which is exactly what Riku desperately wanted, It's why he blew 2.5 BILLION yen on stock buybacks, Tanigo cares about vtubing, He wants his idol dream and does dumb shit like holostars just because he wants to, Riku has only ever been in it for the money and it shows, He himself has said he is only in vtubing for the fad, He will cut and run at the earliest opportunity and then niji will be dead Picked apart for scraps and dissolved OR sold to some new boss that will either clean house and revive it (wishful thinking), Or pick it apart for scraps himself

>>73496506
I will take that point back, I wasn't aware of the initial Feb, I was thinking of the collapse that happened in December. That one was a real eye opener and caused all the shenanigans.

>>73496422
anycolor was always just a pump and dump, just like riku's past 4 pump and dumps.
I'd be surprised if he stays into 2025

>>73494905
kek

>>73496541
Yeah, it was basically the equivalent of hololive JP terminating Fubuki and saying she raped Sora. It was fucking out of nowhere and nobody bought it.

>>73496615
hololive JP isn't really that important.

>>73496634
I'm just saying it as an example of how ridiculous it was and how it instantly shattered any remaining trust in the company.

>>73496571
My palms would be sweaty if YAGOO ever said this. Good thing he has delusions of grandeur and thinks he's gonna preserve human(Japanese) culture through virtual worlds and that vtubing is just a step towards that goal.

Kinda telling that Anycolor calls themselves the destination and Cover calls themselves a launching pad.

>>73496506
>>73496541
Yeah, it checks out.
>>73496615
kek

>>73496634
Yeah totally which is why usada pekora totally isn't the BIGGEST female streamer on the planet and regularly has ccvs between 20 and 50k even on regular ass streams across a dozen or so streamers

>>73496664
It's not a good example because anyone from JP can get terminated and no one would care.

>>73496715
Gura is the biggest female streamer.

>>73496703
The funniest shit is how immediately after feb 5, you could see it almost stabilizing, if not recovering, and then the black screen video tanked them again.

>>73496743
>streamer

>>73496766
Yes. She has the most subs.

>>73496753
The black screen video probably did less that this did.
https://files.catbox.moe/9qhexb.mp4

>>73496571
>our business is not a business where we invest billions of yen and recover it several years later
lmao imagine saying this shit to your investors
>No, we don't really have plans, I don't think this industry has too much future. Anyway, please, keep giving us your money.

>>73495859
Bankruptcy and Fire sale plays are unironically easy money.

>>73495605
13th is a Brazilian corpo, just a funfact

>>73496835
kek. i need to fuck around with deepfake too.

You are literally raping Riku and making him lose money

Can't believe so many people got baited by the "104 percent" in the title and the other posts with the dumb math.

>>73496835
Nah, this video was a correct approach by the company but the fact it came after the black screen kinda ruined most of the positive impact it could have

ACCELERATE MORE RIKU

>>73496969
you speak for yourself. im just here to shitpost.

>>73497039
Honestly NijiEN should have gone "What happened happened and we cannot change the past. Despite this the only thing we can do is move on and we hope to receive your continued support." and leave the mudslinging to the trogs on twitter and 4channel. Maybe add a bit on how they won't let this happen again and will "try to get it right."

>>73497079
I spoke for myself, I didn't talk about what you can't believe after all.

>>73494196
>minus 104 yen is negative 104 percent
why are illiterate niggers allowed on this board

>>73494196
Literally nothing to do with Selen you retarded ape. She is negligible in every way. They were already tanking off a cliff before she started her grift.

>>73497247
>OP didn't say negative 104 YEN at all, only said negative 104
idk anon I think you're the retarded one here

>>73494587
ok Susan

>>73497460
>retard projecting
literally read the red number with the down arrow, retard
now look at the subject of the post, retard

>>73494448
What about Cover? HoloID Gen 1 got new outfits this week alone. We have the Cover U.S branch being set up as we sit here shooting text at each other, so Yagoo's establishing a beachhead to operate fully within the states. Imagine buying Gawr Gura merch at Walmart. Right off the shelves, brick and mortar. In the U.S. It's happening.

>>73496969
gotta give it to OP, the bastard had everyone in this thread twirling and dancing like monkeys for his amusement, all from a lazy bait of a post.
not bad

>>73496278
yeah man just like Cars are a fad that will never replace horses, Internet will never be widespread and playing videogames and streaming will never be a viable career

>>73497543
>still no "Yen" right next to negative 104 like you spouted out earlier
nice try retard

retard above

retard below

>>73495005
Is Niji actually gonna save Hololive's future unintentionally?

Retard left side
Right side
歯をむき出して

>>73494196
anon i hate the black corpo as much as the next former dragoon but that's not how percentages work.

>73497362
>Grift
God i hope all you retarded nijimonkeys kill yourselves when the company dissolves, Or at the very least go back to K-Pop and stop shitting up the vtuber fandom with your seethe

>>73494196
>invest $10k into Niji at ATH
>you now owe someone $400
fucking KEK

Now to be fair, both Anycolor and Cover haven't been performing well recently. Apart from the last one. That one is grim as fuck for the left one. Now guess which one is which, sisters.

>>73496969
baited? numberfags are so stupid they ridiculed anycolor's "unrealistic predictions" before later realizing it was their actual numbers

>>73497151
that would mean they have to acknowledge wrongdoing on their end. Better to shift the blame to holol instead

>>73498487
One of these two sunk 2.5 B I L L I O N yen into their stock at 3100 a share.. only to fall to 2300 a share.. which is which sisters????

>>73499299
Cover spent 2.7 billion on studio. But that studio comes with additional ongoing costs. Maintenance of equipment, staff, property tax, snacks, and more. Anykara invested on their own stocks. $0 upkeep. So in total, Cover spent way more money than Anykara.

>>73499460
>Anykara invested on their own stocks. $0 upkeep.
I guess 0 upkeep also describes their stock price

>>73499299
How many fucking times is this needs to be repeated? nijifags are so fucking stupid
like they can't comprehend just how bad it is especially compared to cover who dropped 2 bil on a new studio instead

>>73495854
Uh I'm pretty sure historical stock prices are renormalized according to the split
I own plenty of AMZN stock for instance, and at one point it was nearing $3k before it did a 20-1 stock split, and now the full graph for it only shows a range up to $200

>>73499460
If I buy a house and just give it to someone else I no longer have to pay upkeep, you're a genius anon.

>>73499460
>$0 upkeep
Kek

>>73499460
Ongoing costs sure.. but also a massive revenue stream from being able to rent out the studio to third parties and the revenue streams of the first party content talents will create there... meanwhile anycolor is out hundreds of MILLIONS of yen in cold hard cash with nothing to show for it

>>73494647
>Instrumental
Rosemi

>>73494596
nonsense, Towa is doing just fine

>>73494647
Sorry to say but you're wrong, the lowest it's ever been in the stock's history was in February last year where it was at 2110.

parrot man, put me in the fucking video

>>73494196
Ni-san-ni-san
Doesn't sound right

>>73494196
Holy shit. What happened today/yesterday? I do not remember if anything particularly bad happened to Niji. Did they reveal that their sales and revenue were shit?

>>73494196
That had nothing to do with Selen, it was the result of a shitty Q3 cause EN made such losses that the company as a whole is now lagging behind im yearly financial expectations.
Selen Shock (as JP investors call it) is Q4.

>>73494386
Kind of

>>73494530
Any proof of JP actually losing subs? Isn't that big news if that's true? I haven't seen anyone say anything about this yet.

>>73501039
They could always do the IN thing and rename EN as global/worldwide or something

>>73499460
>Anykara invested on their own stocks. $0 upkeep.
'Course there's no upkeep, because it won't go up!

Why are you guys comparing Anykara dipping numbers with Cover dipping as well?
They are not the same at all. Anykara is fully public. Cover is partial public. Big difference.

>>73494196
It begins.. sisters should have thrown money at the company to save it.

>>73501565
Kek

>>73495005
Not how economies work sadly to have a nice floating sum of money to reinvest.

>>73496422
Well this is moving goal posts. Cover stock will bounce back up eventually, Niji on the other hand... heh

>>73496743
Selen was one of their highest performing females. Just because sisters hate her doesn't mean she had a reasonable chunk of the spotlight. Pomu funnily enough wasn't as popular but very much loved. On top of obviously being the only thing that kept NijiEN from turning into rapid bitches.

>>73501199
Many an MMORPG with the 3rd global release dies even faster. If they integrate it should be as another anon said you would have to gut the entire thing so it isn't the same package.
Also schizo rrats have a smear JP campaign ready if Niji does integrate to pass the banner.

>>73494196
I didn't think it would actually drop below 2,500 when this shit all started.
For once I am pleasantly surprised.

>>73501865
Cover stock will only bounce back when they actually fucking act like a proper business. Yamato Phantasia was 9 months ago. NINE FUCKING MONTHS. How have they not had 2 or 3 similar events in that time? What the fuck are those retards doing? Put on those events at least once a quarter, charge microtransactions for event-specific in-game merch, and rake in the money. That they STILL haven't even announced the next HoloEarth in-game concert just makes me wonder how fucking retarded they can be. Just give your fans what they want. It's so literally so goddamn easy.

>>73502158
The project is getting constant updates. They're literally preparing to sell additional types of digital merch with the completion of the player character system this month.
Try to keep up with the things you're talking about.

>>73502158
You still don't get it. Cover stock just has to recover and slowly go up, they aren't some blood sucking business like Niji. Their dip is the negligible one on how it affects their over all business. Niji on the other hand shorted their stock and got burned hard so soon after. Their business model is all about gains, the business itself gets left on cruise control. People are looking for an incline so they can drop it.

Sisters, you're going to hear the words "buy the dip" because 'stonks only go up'. But this is what we call a falling knife. And going to my platform, ive THREE of them on record (i wont name them because im kind of embarrassed about them). I mean, i have every other stock in or around green (not green = negligible), but i caught three of them in the past 8 years (i bought into the hype, and then bought the dip multiple times as they fell).

This stock is a falling knife. The market doesnt trust the info its receiving from the ceo, the y-on-y in Q3 is catastrophic. Q4 is going to be a shit show. Probably its gonna mirror the last quarter when the circuit breakers were activated. Perhaps Sony will make a hostile takeover? Maybe even yagoo will push (anon) for a stake in their male market.

But honestly, dismiss this shit. The stock is going to 1500 and perhaps beyond. Riku might decide its time to sell up. But he's bound by forewarning.

>>73502314
And surely they have already announced what the next in-game concert will be then, right anon? Because that would only be the natural thing for any business to do. Concerts get announced months in advance so do tell me what the the followup to Yamato Phantasia will be. Cover just had holoexpo/holofes so surely they didn't forget to announce such an incredibly important thing at a time when they had the most eyes on them?

>>73502741
There's definitely going to be a month where it becomes a blood bath that NijiJP will cause a shit storm about it. Everything that has happened here will get re opened and proper investigations will be asked regarding the management of international branches and who internally has had responsibilities over seeing it. Luca's guardian angel, his ass is on the firing block. All the people listed by Selen, interrogation begins. Only Petra, Vox & Scarle would be eligible for merge. The rest will be denied due to a mix of performance judgements, association to bad rumours and just general downsizing from the get go to allow a 'clean' new global generation which will have proper advertisement, sort of like regloss.

>>73500547
It actually dipped below 2000 for a few days in March 2023. The mid-day nadir was in the 1960s at one point, and the lowest close was around 1975.
That said, yesterday's close of 2323 is not only the lowest it's been since Selen's termination, it's also the new 52-week low. It seems the recent and ongoing fire sale has not fooled the investors.

>>73495005
>>73494623
People don't seem to understand that Cover is not even near any immediate danger nor are they even floundering at all if the stocks severly go up and down.
Cover got what they wanted from it and more. Investors right now would be fuck ass stupid to think Cover isn't doing well.

I think a lot of Niji sisters don't understand the market of JP as well. The competition will EAT niji alive. All it takes is a few of their regular stakeholders to start asking quotes from other businesses as a contingency plan. Those are the first steps towards making the alternative a reality. Niji needs to step up their game and go UP, but with Q4 coming you haven't even seen the worst Niji stocks can get too yet. What's your plan? That's what everyone has been asking lol cause from what we see it isn't good enough.

>>73500547 (Me)
>>73503070
You mind telling me where you're getting that info? I'd like to see this for myself for my Stock stuff in /news/.

>"stocks in freefall"
>the freefall is the equivalent of falling half a foot onto a pile of comfy pillows every two weeks

>>73503271
Show portfolio

>>73502754
Why would they announce it several months before it happens?
>Concerts get announced months in advance
No they don't. inb4 you'll bring up a fucking IRL concert

>>73503983
>168
>mint image
>sisters finally learned how to use the X
Holy shit. They're actually sapient?

>>73504028
Beg harder lol

>Thank god I didn't join this shit hole of a company

>>73494596
The market is down 4.5% from a high on march 22nd. So this statement is actually, finally, true. However, Anycolor is down 14% and Cover is down 19% in that time. So it looks like the vtubing industry is doing particularly poorly.

>>73504582
>However, Anycolor is down 14% and Cover is down 19% in that time

Holofriends? Explain?

I do like how every time this matter gets discussed, the maneuvers Anykara has undergone in the market gets completely ignored by “experts” (aka the NDF).

>>73504750
We tell the sisters to buy everything but they are too poor to save the company. Their choice.

>>73504582
How about other entertainment stocks? If the economy is on a general downswing, then those are likely to take a disproportionate hit.

>>73504551
She was talking about Hololive btw

>>73494651
I’ll give you a hint…
100% of 3855 is 3855

>>73501674
Big difference my ass you have no idea what you are talking about. What do you think "fully" and "partial" public even means? You can't even explain it because there's no such thing, you're either publicly listed or not.

Neither of them have all their stocks available for trading, both companies have the majority of their stocks held by insiders and a minority is being publicly traded.

>>73504888
Proof next thread?

>>73504888
>no proof

>>73504924
>>73505000
She said she wasn't going anywhere near Nijisanji in that stream.

>>73505044
so you assume Holo?
lol
lmao even
as if grimmi would get in

>>73504843
I haven't looked into the economy itself recently, but the recent fluctuations are more of the normal holding pattern for the JP stock market as opposed to a downswing. It's been doing pretty well for the last year or so. I don't have an index on hand that's keyed to the entertainment industry, so I don't know how that particular segment is playing out.

>>73504888
Honestly either or and she'd be right. None of this "lol they're both equally bad" shit just that she's an indie with a curated fanbase and it'd be retarded to throw that out for one she'd likely fucking hate.

>>73505071
Where else would she go?
Keep in mind she was already a mid 3view.

>>73505129
>mid 3view
sounds like a phasecuck chuuba
that's the only other place she would go since she's got ample connections to invade
holo wouldn't touch her with a tenfoot pole

>>73505229
How many mid 3views graduated their IP to join phase? And how many phase vtubers are suffering from burnout?

>>73505229
>implying she wants anything to do with phase

>>73505426
where would she go then?
>inb4 hololive
holo doesn't want her.

>>73503373
https://finance.yahoo.co.jp/quote/5032.T/chart?styl=lne&frm=dly&scl=stndrd&trm=6m&evnts=volume&ovrIndctr=sma%2Cmma%2Clma&addIndctr=

Not the most intuitive system in the world, especially if you don't know Business Nihongo, but it is figure-out-able.
The default range is 6 months, and the bottom graph has sliders on the left and right sides. You can use these sliders to adjust the date range.
From what I can tell, the all time low was on 3/15/2023, when the mid-day trading dropped to 1965 at one point, and the day's close was at 1972.5.

The stock was briefly above 4000 on June 20/21/22. The daily highs and daily closings respectively were 4295 / 4460 / 4320 and 4250 / 4235 / 3980.
The stock would fluctuate but stay in the 3000s from then onward until March 15, when the stock crashed to the circuit breaker. I'm... not entirely convinced that a recovery is possible, since the stock is currently 128 below the crash point, and only 350.5 above the all-time low close point; and they've already done a stock split, a stock buyback, and opened up margin trading, so those options to raise the stock price are off the table.

>>73494603
>Obsydia debuted 3 (three) years ago
>Only just now Rosemi got her 3D
>It was so fucking bad it made everyone without rose tinted glasses simply sad

>>73496895
>Brazilian corpo
>sub count in respectable numbers

...hmmm, what you know, maybe Hololive BR might be a reality one day after all...

>>73505518
NTA but I find it funny that holo fans take this high and mighty attitude with who is suitable for them considering the backgrounds of three out of four of the original EN gen.

>>73496262
how much worse will stats look if we combine hololiveEN and holostarsEN?

>>73495154
2022 was the "golden era" of nijisanji. Obsydia and Lazu got tracktion and Luxiem debuted with Vox pandering to mentally unwell fujoshis and bringing in millions (you wont believe what did this type of fabase did after!)

>>73505905
What is Grimmi's niche? What does she have that makes her stand out enough for EN4? Especially considering that each gen has progressively increased in experience and talent needed to actually get in.

>>73494386
But JP branch is MUCH worse. Favorism is even worse, they have record of incredible cliques and bullying into graduations, not being able to help talents with issues caused by streaming for them and to top it of they managed to hire a sexual creep in the past and only realized when he started posting on twitter pre-debut.
The main body is rotten, cutting off EN won't do anything

>>73506346
The Raito thing was absolutely not their fault. I'll shit on Niji for everything else, but the dude was fucking hidden about it. Different account, streamed only to a dozen people, so on and so forth. Finding out he was who he was was about as hard as finding out who you or I am.

>>73496382
If anything twitch is undermonetized. Compare the number of people who haven't known about youtube + / red / premium ad-free subscription services via its aggressive page-blocking and video-interruption ads to the number of people who have no idea that twitch turbo exists to remove all ads and has existed since the first year of twitch.

>>73494923
Please add the niji logo in the back

>/biz/ here
Declaring your home board's a sure sign you don't know what the fuck you're talking about
Nobody's an expert in their home board's topics

>>73505518
Why not?

>>73494383
lmao

>>73494763
Anon... ACTUAL /biz/ posters fail at 5th grade math.

>>73501058
It was a fairly minor loss in subs, they recovered almost immediately.
Remember, 2434 still has somewhat of a believable reputation in Japan.

>73497723
>mfw there's an age requirement to post here, but not an IQ requirement

Bros... I'm retard...

>>73511963
>believable reputation
kek,its just too big,just like apple,nijiJP fans like apple fans,they are retarded,they will keep buying apple overprice shit,the reason? because they are retarded.

>>73494647
https://youtu.be/0EwX6Jt762A

>>73495090
If NIJI colllapses, I fully expect all the jp antis, the regular doxxschizos, some of the menhera talents and even staff going rogue and trying several methods to "expose" or slander every single Holo and ex-NIJI and other succesful indie or small corpo chuubas pre-collapse, real dirt or not, that got succesful before they get caught, a last fuck you and a sort of "Samson option" to the entire VTuber sphere. One of the big players collapsing is one of these anyways, however there's always the possibility of an immediate follow up because people can have severe grudges. Funnily enough, nothing of this would be Riku's fault, it would just be a sort of chain reaction that no one could handle and he would be in the cross-fire too, albeit, deserved.
People keep saying Kotoka and Mel, but I fully believe that, even if that were to be true, it would look like an ant bite compared to the sheer suicidal crocodile death (bed) roll that the Nijisanji and Nijisister Remnants would do in their last hail mary. Seventh Trumphet be damned.
We are talking Taiwan-sized bombs could drop over anyone's head at any moment if the collapse ensues. EN and global branches be damned.
I wish ANYCOLOR a velvet death. A quiet implosion, submarine-like, so we can all go on with life.

>>73494603
Friendly reminder NO ONE cared about her new outfit reveal.

Millie's ego is in shambles.

>>73494383
All of you should stop wasting your time digging up the truth.

>>73500081
As expected of Twapi. Glad I've invested.

>>73514610
KYS Enna you whore.

I wonder who tf made that public "negligible" letter to investors and who tf approved it. Did Riku himself made/approved that letter or just plain incompetence on their ranks and they just couldn't be bothered to at least make a public friendly statement.

>>73515065
It was more an issue (yet again) of Anycolor not having competent translators, so they didn't understand the connotations of the term negligible in English.

Humiliation ritual

>>73494196
ez rebound

>>73494383
kek

If TTT get their 3d expect a hate campaign from JP listeners because the official rule is that only once you hit 100k subs you can get 3d

>>73494530
I thought Rosemi had recovered her 500k but now I see she's at 478k, she keeps losing subs. Grimdark.

>>73513119
In this situation the organization of Niji doesn't exist to protect them so it's an open field day for Hololive lawyers in JP to murder the living shit out of any remnants.
A niji yab would be negligible because there is no other direct competitor anymore and the ones with good reps will be ostracized by the competitive vtubing community.

>>73521681
She will never get back to 500k. He only chances to bounce back so far were the 3D debut(biggest Niji 3D flop) and the Tekken tournament(got fraud detected and somehow Vivi looked better)

>>73521939
Her stream the other day couldn't break 3-view until getting raided. Her channel is toast.

>>73521939
JESAS

>>73503080
>About to dip under 2k
Yeah, that it isn't important at all

>>73513119
Matsuri can finally make that one niji she likes her slave when their company collapses

>>73513119
which is what they are doing all this time but end up with nothing? meanwhile hololive thriving and keep getting better,back then nijifag and holo anti think holo is dead after losing CN completely,yet without any genshit CN garbage shit they are still thriving till now

>>73513119
HOLY FUCKING BASED
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LET THIS BECOME REAL, I FUCKING HATE CORPOS
THIS WOULD BE THE GREATEST THING TO GRACE VTUBING AS A WHOLE

>>73521939
Wasn't Vivi a semi-pro before going to Nijisanji?

>>73521681
>>73522269
Holy shit, how do you save this branch?

>>73515554
even in the original japanese, "影響は極めて軽微であります", the most likely explanation is that riku was deliberately lying to investors to prop up the stock price.

>>73523987
LMAO no
She's an FGC BBC orbiter and former assistant for DuelLogs or whatever the fuck his popular WoW account is

>>73494383
Did you ask the manager if you could post this?

>>73494596
>it's JP trend overall it seems.
Anycolor is giving vtuber stock a bad rep.
But that won't last long when the differences between the next quarterly reports stand out.

Cover's expectations may have been too high, but their growth is still undeniably good.