/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Anecdotally, a lot of my weeb friends have fallen out of love with vtubers. Not for any one reason, but it seems like the novelty has worn off for a lot of them (most have gone back to regular anime/manga for entertainment)

>>7395011
People realized they're boring. HoloEN is way too self conscious which prevents them from doing what good streamers need to do to entertain their audience.

>>7395097
same thing with my friends, I’ve even seen anons here that I recognized stop posting for months, it seems the trend has stabilized

>>7395011
Cover forgot to renew their viewbot subscription

>>7395011
It's summer holidays for the US and people cam go outside more freely now, right?

>>7395120
Yeah HoloEN is very boring compared to the smaller one nowadays. if people didnt branch out they'd just lose interest.

>>7395011
>Is the vtuber trend over?
Yes OP. You can now leave /vt/ and never come back.

>>7395312
Seething

Bait thread, but I'll list some reasons.
>Sunday Afternoon/evening; most Americans are doing religious activities or resting with family
>started too early outside of Gura's normal timeslot
>Dead Space [3], people feel like they're missing out on Dead Space 2 thanks to Ame playing DS1
>fps collab games don't normally do as well unless its APEX
>usual youtube viewership fuckery
Keep in mind, a combined 16k live viewers for a collab is still amazing in the EN Vtuber space. Most other EN Vtubers are lucky to get 2k viewers on their collabs, if that.

>>7395011
They never hit those numbers with collabs, nice try tho

>>7395366
>most Americans are doing religious activities
which america are you referring to here

>>7395389
Your reps, retardchama

>>7395011
>Is the vtuber trend over?
I wish it were true, becasue then we'd get more actual content we watch vtubers for - ecchi ASMR, GFE simulation and so on.

>>7395011
This is literally the 8th fucking active thread about this.
we answered why Gura specifically is doing poorly and not getting recommended in the others.

Stop this drama bait bullshit.

>normalfags moved on since they aren't being forced to be inside home all the time
>weebs moved on because HoloEN is still trying to target the now dwindling normalfag audience
>competition both from indie and from Niji, who has better tech and people who actually try to be entertaining
it still can be fixed but I doubt that Cover actually gives a fuck about the EN side as much as it does to the JP one

speaking as someone who only ever watched gura, i just don't feel like pushing myself through a 5 hour stream anymore. the only time i enjoy it is when she actually talks to the viewers, but collabs or shill streams are boring as hell. it doesn't help that she hasn't been bringing her a-game lately and doesn't seem enthusiastic about streaming, so it's hard for me to feel excited either.

Idk, things look good on the jp side
maybe if these girls stopped pandering to underage poorfag burgers and started streaming at different hours, they would get higher numbers

>>7395592
I genuinely don't believe you would be on VT if you were as much of a casual Gura viewer as you claim.
Why are you here?

>>7395011
>>7395097
>>7395120
>>7395152
>>7395261
Ironically HoloEN liver especially Gura might steadily decline because of fans moving on to another liver or the vtuber trend is died out. I'm predicting that HoloEN viewer will steadily decline to just 4,000 viewers

what's the last viral clip equaling fubuki's scatman?

I swear to god we have this same topic everytime anybody streams

>>7395729
welcome to timeloops

>>7395751
I feel like the timeloops are getting a lot shorter now.

NijiEN literally mogs HoloEN. Everyone knows they are boring now that there's competition.

>ITT: People acting like ironic weebs leaving the fanbase in droves is a bad thing.
Good. Maybe you fags should go back to /a/ or /v/ or /biz/ or /pol/ or whatever shithole board you came from. You never really cared, you just wanted to trendhop like any good little zoomer mind does.

>>7395729
I've only been frequenting VT for 2 months but,
the pattern is
>after 18:00 EDT (New York)
Literally, when the Americans start getting off work is when the bitching shitshow starts

they like to blame it on SEA but it's still 5AM over there

Protip for newfags stumbling upon these threads: ignore nijishitters
You're welcome

>>7395592
Didn't she have a family tragedy or some shit recently? Hard to imagine she would be back after just a few days if she wasn't into streaming, then again I don't feel like she ever tried too hard.

>>7395706
>liver
>broken eigo

nice bait SEAniger

>>7395536
>competition both from indie and from Niji, who has better tech and people who actually try to be entertaining
I personally moved away for smaller vtubers because of the homeliness effect. HoloEN got too big and there's no sense of participation anymore if not for rrats and schizophrenia. I prefer when the vtuber reads his/her chat instead of just superchats five days later. Hololive feels too "corporate" to me now. But that's just me.

Gura is fine. Her audience just doesn't want to watch a game that they won't to see. She's at them and ot very funny. She's just frustrating to watch. Doompost once she starts getting 8k every day

>>7395536
>>7395649
>>7395706
The Youtube live viewer count is unironically not accurate.
They're probably not getting as many live views in general as they did in the early months but they haven't lost that much.
Is everyone here so new that they don't remember the sudden drop in live views among all of EN and some JP like Korone?

The world simply went back to normal in a sense.

>>7395729
Because muh thread

>>7395011
her karaokes don’t hit the highs they used to, it’s over

>>7396136
Here is proof that you are all just a bunch of doomposters

>>7395983
not really, she just felt like not streaming, like always. Then her PC "broke"

>>7395901
>nijishitters
They're ex-HoloEN fans who are ungrateful the HoloENs aren't GFE or memeable as they used to be. So they trendhop until they find the next memeable thing. Don't say all Niji fans are bad we don't like EOPs either.

The fad blew over, newfags got bored after a couple months, meme flu is near-dead so people can actually go outside -> they are in endless recline. Gen2 might breathe some live back into it, but even that would just be temporary.

At this point Hololive would have to get some huge megacorp support that forces it into mainstream for EN to get bigger numbers again.

>>7396203
>she just felt like not streaming
[citation needed]

how many threads do you need about this stream?

>>7395011
Ina had consistent/normal numbers. Gura's are low because she's streaming way before her normal time.

>>7396345
This. It was quite literally tako time

>>7395729
Welcome to the /vt/ board of 4channel

Gura has a large SEA audience, I only managed to catch the last hour.

>>7395011
Gura's too infrequent/disengaged from social media to keep up the hype for her size.

Also there's a lot of competition now. NijiEN are doing pretty well for their size and there's just not enough time in the day to keep up with everyone. Even if it's a couple of hundred people trickling off in different directions, to watch Nyanners or Elira or Pikamee, that adds up

>>7396052
But it was like that since day one, they started with a big audience because JP's were already getting popular in the West and we had to split the threads on /jp/ due to newfags flooding in.

>>7396203
I remember she had to go to her family for a few days and it didn't seem like vacation at all.

>>7396238
it was pretty obvious, you don't retweet cunny fanart if you're going through a family tragedy

I think it has a lot to do with viewer base overlap between the two. And since people watch both streams st the same time, youtube thinks it's a view bot and didn't include their views.

>>7396731
Maybe that's how she copes? IDK

>>7396681
NijiEN hasn't had any noticeable effect on Holo numbers though.
It's more likely that people watching them do so either when a Holo isn't on or they weren't watching anyway.

>>7395011
>retard shark seen as retarded one trick pony
Oh no. How long before rampant alcoholism again?

>>7396161
>The Youtube live viewer count is unironically not accurate
Apparently this bug has either been fixed or not depending on the agenda of the poster

theres a new girl on the block

>>7397888
If Towa doesn't approve, neither do I

>>7395706
Naturally, the trend will die and casual viewers will move on to something new.
They can easily retain any gachikois they have, though. Hololive is very resilient because of that.

>>7395011
Haaaahahahahahaha chumkeks

>>7395675
i'm always in a thread while gura streams, it's the only way i've been able to keep doing this for so long. i'm by no means a "casual viewer" either. i don't have a job or a social life so i literally structure my life around her streaming schedule.
>>7395983
family tragedy or she wanted a break and lying to your viewers is the easiest way to do that. maybe she wanted to go on vacation with her boyfriend or something? the papa shark funeral rrat was debunked so unless it's another papa shark we don't know about she could be making it up.

>NA at work
>SEA, JP, TW and HK at sleep
>only EU is on
EU seems to be a zone where you really need to consistently cultivate your audiences to get good number. I'm surprised with ina though, she seems to be able to get a good number no matter the timezone.

>>7395011
her fans are split across several different timezones. fucking retard

>>7395366
>most Americans are doing religious activities
lol

>>7395011
The real question is:why did Ina get more views than Gura? Does it have to do with the VTubers Are Over hash tag or am I jusz spouting random bullshit?

>>7395011
>Now the biggest vtuber can barely muster 8k viewers on a Sunday evening
>Ignoring Ina topped and mantained 10k on the collab
Anon, if 20k+ people went through an all nighter for a fucking Cube then Hololive still have ground on the streaming scene.

>>7396191
/thread + based chumbuds,dead space 3 is garbage

but anons here will continue to doompost anyway

>>7395120
>HoloEN is way too self conscious which prevents them from doing what good streamers need to do to entertain their audience.
That’s likely Covers restrictions, which caused Coco to quit BTW.

>>7397148
>NijiEN hasn't had any noticeable effect on Holo numbers though
Of course it has, what you mean is a small amount. Most of Niji EN viewers actually come from Holo EN viewers.

I read that HoloEN is "owacon", what does that mean?

>>7396161
Do you have any sort of evidence or data to back up your theory or is this all just conjecture to cope with your oshi has losing their popularity?

>chumbuds have never turned out for collabs with multiple views, they're consistently her lowest viewed streams
>dead space 3
>the majority of her audience is for NA primetime, this collab was 4-5 hours earlier

But judging by this thread, no one actually cares for the real reason. They just want to shitpost about hololiveEN and Gura.

Honestly? Hololive aside from Kiara and Amelia feel too "family friendly" for my tastes. Vshojo is the opposite but all the fucking girls on Vshojo do is tiktok and clip videos and shit also gets boring.

It seems like Vtubers seem to chase the FOTW game, which is why the Japanese girls on Hololive were playing Henry Stickmin despite not understanding 90% of the references.

It feels strained and unnatural.

>>7400175
This was discussed to death back in December when it originally happened. Are you a newfag?

>>7395011
Vt trend is not over, it’s cover fucking themsleves up, hololive would be a lot better under a more professional management, even phase connect got a better management perhaps.

>>7395097
I wanted live cute streaming anime girls, instead i got the lesbian variety hour.

>>7400175
And for Gura specifically, before and after the date that Youtube fucked its live statistics. Not to say her views weren't shitty for the Dead Space stream, but anyone who takes the number they see as accurate in 2021 is either delusional or ignorant about what happened.

>>7395366
>America
>most Americans are doing religious activities
Kek

Turns out that stifling your talent and never improving or innovating ends up in dwindling viewership.

Fucking Vshojo gets better numbers than the flagship HoloEN, Cover needs to get their shit together

>>7395011
>What the FUCK happened to hololive EN?
they waited too long for EN2

>>7401202
By the looks of it trying to find talent that matches the high quality of HoloMyth seems to be an impossible task so that's why it's taking so long.

>>7395011
- VSingers should've been EN2
- Should've came out in June
- VSingers should've been 5 members
- EN3 shouldve been what the previous auditions were for

>>7401254
>Holomyth
>high quality
If you ignore Mori and Ina, there's nothing really high quality or special about the remaining girls.

>>7395011
Nerf game

>>7401254
>trying to find talent that matches the high quality of HoloMyth seems to be an impossible task
They received over 2k applicants

>>7401385
>>7401360
Judging from how garbage english vtubers are as a whole outside of Hololive, there's no doubt that english speakers are just arent very good enough to join Hololive.

>>7395011
Stop paying attention to corporate / huge number vtubers and find someone who is good but not watched too much. You'll like it in the long run.

Pic related only gets like 150-250 people, a drop in the water compared to the thousand+ viewer people you get bored of.

>>7401669
I despise the type of groomer crowd that small indies pull though, so I'm good

>>7400175
You just outed yourself as the newest of fags

That dude has to be baiting right? There's a lot of good EN vtubers you just need to look at the right places.

>>7395011
American lockdown ended.

>>7401476
Is this the reason why more than half of holoEN is garbage? No wonder.

>>7395011
I've been watching more Nijisanji, Prism Project, and Phase Connect than Hololive lately. Until Gura starts to collab with JP Hololive members, I don't care to watch.

>>7401747
>Judging content creators by their fanbases
ngmi

>>7396345
Gura's stream was also shadow banned but all the doom posters seem to just gloss over that fact since it isn't convenient for their bullshit rrats.

>>7389946
>>7390425
>>7390473

lol debuff game, should've played meincroft

people are going back to their real lives with shit opening back up, nothing to see here

>>7403243
I saw it on my feed multiple times though (i frequently open new YT tabs)

>>7395868
Trying too hard

>>7395097
As it should

Based

>Try to fill EN2
>All western vtubers are either dick poop sex joke Amy Shumer-tier slimeballs like Vshojo, so boring you can feel yourself getting older as you watch them like NijiEN, or eternal Vtweeters that would sabotage your company with political yabs
Being Cover is suffering

It's just a boring game.

>>7402460
Yes. If they were worth a shit people would be watching. Groomers aren't watching because the girl is interesting or entertaining.

>>7403661
This has been the case for months. Try again.

/vt/ was a mistake

>>7398114
can you explain how the papa shark rrat was debunked

>>7397888
and she's mindnumbingly fucking boring

>>7404277
>Holotribalists cannibalizing their own
Oh man, can't wait to see the shit flinging on EN gen 2

>>7395011
Ina's numbers are perfectly fine.

She has probably the most consistent 10k viewer fanbase across all of hololive. She is literally always 10k no matter what she is doing.

Compare that to Kiara or Ame who can fluctuate anywhere between 2k and 10k.

>>7404034
you're ngmi

>>7404435
holomems aren't entitled to de facto support from supporters of other holomems. there's a lot of crossover in fanbases because cover is good at scooping up natural entertainers + all the collabing, but good god i have no idea how you can think streaming fits you when your discernible personality traits are like the most milquetoast bundle of qualities an entertainer could have. at least calli makes me physically uncomfortable; irys is just boring.

>>7404646
Nah, I watch indies. I just see the disgusting groomer superchats and comments they get and I know why most people "prefer" them, especially when it comes up on this board.

>>7395011
Cover's management is taking it's toll on EN. It feels like they can't do as much as JP.

KNEEL

>>7395011
>is the trend over?
no, Peko

>>7395486
Yeah, nothing makes a woman fall more deeply for GFE than the despair of irrelevance and loss of fans
Just look at Ko'one as proof

>>7395011
damn i thought DS3 as in Dark Souls 3

indies/other options are more fun, holoEN is stagnant.

no really, compare them to pikamee.

>>7395011
The casual/freeloading fans stop watching.
Members/scers stick around.

>>7395011
Gura still gets 20k average per stream but only when she's solo. When she does collabs with the other En girls it's always a major debuff for her. I mean, just the other day she had 20k viewers watching a stream about Taco Bell and their new nacho fries... The VOD's already closing in to 500k views and so far that has been her absolute shittiest stream.

>>7395337
Filtered

>>7408163
I've been watching more from Tsunderia, Phase Connect, Prism, Kawaii, and CyberLive as well as Nijisanji because of how restricted Hololive EN seems in comparison.

>>7408363
Fucking hell I'm a chumbud but I cringed too a little to that stream.

Gura gets debuffed ridiculously on multi-view collabs, especially out of her timezone. Doesn't help that Dead Space 3 has an awful reputation in the west as being shit and killing the franchise. I know people say it's because chumbuds "don't care" but I think she conditioned them by doing collabs so infrequently.

>>7395011
hololive's industry dominance took a hit after coco's graduation

>>7408734
>google trends
Who the fuck is googling vtuber unless they're someone reading a wikipedia article? Fans of Hololive aren't googling the word "Hololive" all day either.

>>7408885
>Who the fuck is googling vtuber
Literally newfags. Same with Hololive

>>7408885
should of did youtube search, but coco's graduation is the absolute peak for hololive relevancy.

>>7395097
That's why you don't try to cater to the ironic weebs.

>>7400327
If he came to 4chan in 2021 he would probably be less than a newfag, he'd be a summerfag.

>>7395011
>>7395097
The bandwagon is settling down, also Coco's graduation set a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.

>>7404212
he's active on social media.

>>7409206
Numbers were already down before Coco's graduation. Coco was important to vtubers but some Cocofags overhype that importance.

>>7409331
Before graduation or the announcement? Regardless general opinion was that Coco shattered a lot of illusions of Hololive and reminded everyone how corporate this whole hobby is.

>>7395011
Faggotchama timezones

There’s always a summer lull. Only the sweatiest NEETs are around to watch every stream.

>>7395011
>Is the vtuber trend over?
Probably not really - if you're asking about the general "vtuber trend" (vtubing as in just "streaming with an avatar), as opposed to the specific "HoloEN" trend, it's still going on. Only that it has probably settled from the first wave of "wow, an ANIME GIRL livestreaming videogaems?!?!" excitement into somewhat of a more broader, stable medium, approaching mainstream consciousness. It's not so niche anymore that you can grow a revolving door of newfags who see it for the first time, by now (if I had to point to any specific "cresting spot", it's probably when big mainstream streamers also used vtuber avatars as a one-off and introduced their massive normie audiences to the concept) it has probably reached a first local plateau (note: this is different from saying it's only gonna decline from here, rather than it needs a new gamechanger to push it to the next level again).

To diagnose a real "decline" in HoloEN specifically, you'd probably have to look at more datapoints than just pointing at the live viewer numbers and saying they aren't what they used to be, compared to back in the honeymoon period when EN was new, fresh and exciting for everyone.
Don't get me wrong, live views are a metric to take into account (especially when some other talents like HoloJP Pekora still manage to grow them year after year instead of fading, so yeah this warrants some differentiated analysis), but to say the "trend is over", especially from a holistic company perspective, you'd also have to take other numbers into account. Are the subgrowths slowing down or reversing? Do they make more or less superchats monthly now than they used to? How are the VOD views holding up? If more than one or two of these signals are flashing red, then yeah, it's actually time to start really worrying.

>>7398910
Anon, if the stream was happening 4h later the numbers would be reversed.
Don't respond to number threads outside the designated thread

>>7395011
I don't care to watch holoEN live anymore. I live in a weird time zone (not SEAnigger I swear) and after a few months I discovered that I need sleep. I watch Ina archives when I'm not in the middle of animu/geemu. The others are boring once the novelty wears off. Japs I watch live because they're easier to schedule for me.

>>7395011
Kids are going back to school right now. Won't last for long though, the second lockdowns are coming and the views will shoot back up.

>>7395097
Remember how back in /jp/ or the early days of /vt/ we used to have the occasional post or thread with the sentiment of "Since I discovered vtubers, I stopped watching anime!", and many people agreed.
The premise was that, after you watched all the classics you realize it's not really worth it to keep up with every new season anymore because most of it is just shit or the 'nth pale imitation of better stuff you've already seen before, so you gradually fall out of love with it and drop it for other ventures. Vtubers came along and were the next best thing for many people, because it combined stuff they like ("I like anime girls, and I like videogames. So an anime girl playing videogames is even better") with the parasocial immediacy of livestreaming ("I can chat with the anime girl directly, and she can talk back to me!"), and the amount of content vtubers put out also makes sure you have less time for other media like anime etc.
Well, a similar thing is probably also happening now to vtubers themselves. The honeymoon period has worn off, the novelty of "anime girl playing videogames" alone isn't enough to hook you anymore, so if you're by now not fallen into a parasocial pseudo-gfe "oshi" rabbit hole (e.g. you "love" a particular talent and watch her not for general entertainment value but because of some imaginary relationship you think you have with her), you're probably getting bored by now, because you've seen all the tricks the vtuber medium can do, there's not much new and exciting things left, it has gotten stale and like with anime earlier you're beginning to wonder if you're just wasting your time. The "big events" that made you think "I'm glad I watched this!" are getting further and further apart, you tend to tune in less and less because the "meh, I've already seen this done /probably won't be as good as X" factor is taking hold, and you drop out silently over time...

Being the biggest vtuber or not, it all depends on viewers who decide what they want to watch. And at the end of the day, hype of Hololive has calmed down and people are not following all members anymore, instead thay start to pick their favorites. Thus they have no time about girls they don't have interest with.

Talking about Gura's 8k in reference to her own popularity makes sense (if only a little), but using Gura's 8k to make assumptions about holoEN as a whole, while ignoring Ina's 12k from the same collab, is fucking stupid.

>>7395011
lockdowns are over and also the doxtube spammers ruining the fun and showing people they are twitch thots irl at least something like japanese vtuber actually fat is unironically better than twitch thot

>>7410546
Or you know, the fact that Gura got 20k viewers for shilling Taco Bell during her regular schedule for her regular audience.
But let's be honest here, no one makes threads like these for actual discussion - this is just made for drama aand rratposting and to farm for (you)s

>>7410123
You really make a good point by try separating into paragraphs or
>

Most people (and tarantulas, orcas, and skin walkers) here can’t read giant block of texts.

>>7409371
the least it did was show everyone the dangers of corporate chuubas and maybe check out some indies, as everyone should anyways.

>>7410760
tl;dr version:
no satisfaction is lasting; instead, it is only the beginning of a new striving. there is no final goal of striving, and therefore no bounds or end to suffering.

i wonder how many people are going to commit suicide when the vtuber trend is over, because they, as trendhoppers can't stand to watch someone who used to pull 20k viewers pulling 2 or 3 at most, they just either decide to go to the new big thing or kill themselves

>>7410123
Not a bad post, I think the gfe thing runs out too, kind of like having an intense crush on somebody it can only go on for so long before the human brain moves on

>>7395366
>most Americans are doing religious activities or resting with family
holobronies really living in bubble huh?

>>7410123
Unrelated but jumping in front of a train has to be the best way to go right? Asking for a friend

>>7410898
>trendhoppers
>kill themselves
lol, they will be the first to leave for the new shiny toy

>>7395011
I have been watching Vtbuer since 2017 so most of the contents I'm watching is already stabed since late 2019, a horde of EOP trendchasers don't mean much for me kek

The vtuber meme definitely cooled down to some degree, but I think this mostly just seems like Hololive fans trying to cope, especially with the muh covid shit. Anecdotal, but at least among my friends and circles I still see the same amount of people talk about vtubers, the only difference now is just that the vtubers they talk about are WAY more varied than it used to be. The english vtuber market has infinitely more competition now, between Nijisanji, dozens of smaller companies and start ups, and hundreds/thousands of indies.

This was going to inevitably bleed attention from Holo EN, but it also doesn't help that for a lot of people, myself included, it also hastened the realization that Holo EN itself as it is right now is often just boring and... "artificial" is probably too strong of a word, but definitely something in that ballpark.

>>7411074
Gte a cpap mask and a helium canister from amazon, i think it's called a "suicide bag" and is 100% painless and effective with no extra clean-up

>>7411976
Yeah things are more varied now than just a little under a year ago, it’s actually pretty insane how many new EN vtubers there are for people to shop around and find. for example on my twitter feed, a lot of “holo only” artists I followed are now beginning to engage with outside vtubers.

>>7395011
EOPs are fad chasing retards
Vtubers are no longer the new thing so they got bored

>a random, unknown indie vtuber with a cheap 3d avatar is pulling twice as many viewers as Kiara
what happened?

>>7404860
Sorry that she kept stroking my dick, anon. Didn't know that you want to like her too.

Shadowbanned sounds like a classic holocope.

>>7411976
Not a Holofan, but covid restrictions being lifted is a blow. If I had to commute the way I did before the pandemic and I couldn't run zatsudans in the background on my laptop while working, I would probably straight up drop 75% of my current watchlist

>>7411976
>>7413648
This, to a degree. For many people, "vtuber" and "Hololive" were synonymous, the newfag masses who came in during last years wave of Holo dominance, and they are (if they stick around with the hobby at all) slowly discovering over time that no, other options are also available. Especially for EOPs, as Cover has (for too long?) stuck by their decision to only have 5 EN talents for over a year, instead of saturating more sooner, there's going to be dead hours and people start to look around.
And for all the selfcongratulating that Holofags do, about their amazing scouting department and that being in Hololive means you are the pinnacle of quality or whatever (after all they are the most popular, and we all know that popularity means quality, right?), if you look around (with less preconceived notions, brand goggles, and existing "oshi" bias), you'll find many other girls that can cater to your tastes, sometimes even better. If you like singers, there's great ones out there, or if you like gameplay-focused girls, there's better players out there. If you like "comfy" tubers, they're out there, same as with "dorky", "bratty" or "slutty" tubers (I know 4chan has issues with those, but you can't deny there's a market for them, just because you're not part of it). And since they're mostly smaller, you also get the benefit of more "immediacy/intimacy", if you're a parasocialfag, or more "authenticity" (well as authentic as you can be, playing an anime character) in the sense of less annoying corporate bullshit.
Of course, that's not to say that every HoloEN watcher will switch to someone else, no many people will stick around, but HoloEN has stood still for too long that more people are diversifying.

Of the people who the HoloEN wave brought in, I'd group them into 3 groups:
>ride or die: These people will stick around and continue to watch HoloEN only exclusively, either by ignorance (they don't know what else is out there) or by choice (they think HoloEN is the "best", or are parasocially ensnared by their "oshi")
>casual FOTM trendchasers: they aren't that much invested in the medium itself, and after the "haha animegirl livestreaming funni" novelty has worn off, they'll move on to the next unrelated fad.
>vtuber enjoyers that transcend Hololive: they are able to look beyond the bubble (hah, Mori...) and are fans of more than just Hololive and have looked for and found more girls that they enjoy. Doesn't mean they've completely stopped watching Hololive, but it's not the only game in town for them anymore.
Of course it's hard/impossible to quantify how large each of these groups are, but over time everyone more or less finds themselves in one of these, whether you continue to only watch Holos, drop out completely, or mix and match.

>>7395486
kys GFE-fag

>>7410123
yeah i agree, good post, i shared that sentiment of it being better than anime to a certain extent in the beginning and it helped that i never really watched streamers before, so that was also new, but the mundane gaming streams just weren't enjoyable anymore for me after the first few months.
what still makes vtubing fun for me are big events like concerts or group collabs, song releases and the occasional vtuber who is really good at a game (enjoying selen right now).
but all of that is rather spread out, i wish i was still hooked enough like in the beginning, where i watched every stream and enjoyed discussing them with others all the time.

honestly i believe with EN vtubers (holos and nijis in this case) getting 3D and maybe being able to use them not only for concerts but for casual hangouts, that's when there'll be a new resurgence of hype, but maybe i'm just basing that off of my personal tastes.

idk why there are even people actually trying to come up with actual theories when the simple answer is just that chumbuds just don't give a fuck about gura collabs + the stream being several hours earlier than gura's usual time.

Holoen is doing fine still atm, their views are stable. The only member that's remotely concerning is Kiara because she does have consistently lower views than she should despite streaming for way longer hours than the rest of the en girls + a decline in views in general. She is, however the top sc earner right after mori in en and also just in general. She's not hurting yet.

>>7414642
kson's stream was kinda shit. Once the pityviews disappear she will drop off big time.

>>7395011
Vtubers inspires me to do reps. Then I got lazy. It was actually a well known retard's massive self own that reinspired me to spend less time on VT and more time on figuring out my life.

Also, western vtubers just aren't anime enough and I can't understand the ones that are. Vtubers are just too homogenous and commoditized at this point. Without any good novelty/niche chubas there just isn't anything keeping people around.

Maybe I'll do reps on the side and try streaming myself after becoming a wagie, but my focus now is on shitposting, life and catching up on my backlog of media I genuinely enjoy that hasn't been completely sanitized yet.

>>7395486
This

>>7411976
>holobrony realized that Hololive has been soulless all along
Redemption arc.

Ok, so which non-holo vtubers are good for EOPs?

>>7421612
Pikamee

>>7421713
Only when she plays games that she rages at. Otherwise she is like average.

>>7395366
>Sunday Afternoon/evening; most Americans are doing religious activities or resting with family
Bursted out laughing by picturing myself someone saying this with a straight face

>>7395486
Based

>>7421713
Aren't half of her streams in japanese?

>>7421942
Pretty much

>>7421612
Depends on your tastes/niche/preferences. Describe what kind of personality or type of content you are looking for specifically, and people can give you more targeted answers. There are too many different flavors of vtubers out there so just saying random names without knowing your tastes would be too general.

>>7422917
I'll use EN holos to describe my tastes.
I watch and like gura and ina.
I watched ame but got bored with her.
I tried mori and kiara but ended up despising both.
Can't tell about JP holos as I'm a clipwatcher and don't know what their streams are like.

>>7421612
Indies are hard to get into but look into other companies at least. NijiEN, tsunderia, phase connect and prism project, they all have a wide variety of vtubers, you should be able to like one or two of them as long as you give them a serious try.

>>7423324
Knowing this, I will assume you're more into composed, comfy streamers with cute and calm voices than entertainment gremlins.
> Elira (NijiEN)
Best voice of her group, good karaoke. As for the games she is being playing a mix of good stuff with entertaining commentary (Hades, Hollow Knight) and some big number games (Apex, Minecraft, Genshin). Tons of collabs when compared to a holo.
>Nini Yuuna (Tsunderia)
Comfy zatsudans regularly, gosling bait. She also has been doing some hand streams lately which I like a lot (assembling gundams or baking/cooking)
> Amemachi Hanabi (Tsunderia)
Recent debut. Her voice sounds really young. Can sing and draw really well.
>Aoi Tokimori (Prism)
Variety streamer but her main focus is singing, rhythm games and zatsudan. Huge amount of covers. Her latest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_LWYU5N8rY&pp=sAQA
>Pina Pengin (Prism)
Cute voice, the most gosling bait in this list imo. Has a love for dumb puns like Ina and is trying to get projects going on like an anime quiz series. She watches tons of shonen anime, is addicted to Minecraft and sings songs in almost every stream. She also has a background in music production.
>Nia Suzune(Prism)
You might appreciate her voice if you are into Gura because of uoh factor, but I don't know much about her other than that

I can't really recommend you Phase Connect since their "blessed" talent is JOP and their "cursed" talent EOP. However if you want something different that you can't get in HoloEN, check out Tenma Maemi. To put it in Holo terms, she is Korone if she did a year of serious english reps minus the endurance streams.

>>7395120
this, just look at gura and how much she spergs when she wants to pull an harmless joke on someone. At the other hand the JP holos fuck and mess with each other without a trouble.

>>7424718
>Aoi
Based

>>7425386
JP have their own hangups, imagine mentioning a yaoi on stream and having to take a week break and make a public apology.

>>7395486
Based. You just know we're getting a menhera polka countdown asmr one day...
I need more countdown asmr

they are preparing themselves for EN singularity, the Auraas project already started and it's ready to take over the western Vtuber world

>>7395486
>More chat interaction, games with viewers, intimate asmr, creative streams
Can't wait for the day gachikois are the only ones left standing. The girls might be sad at first, but they'll realize how much more fun streaming is when they don't have to worry about appeasing normies. Pretty much all of their creative projects gets shot down by management simply because normies can't bear to watch anything but the most watered-down gaming content like minecraft/apex over and over.

>>7410123
Yeah, I'm glad that the tourists are leaving the hobby too

>>7396161
Again, this is not that it's inaccurate, it's that it doesn't count people with adblocks, which is not a bug, it's made on purpose because youtube makes money with ads

>>7413628
pretty sure they started adding oxygen to the mix in those things precisely because people were using them to off themselves

>>7395011
yeah, it's true. I can't watch this shit anymore even though I still think that I like many of the chuubas. It's all just a blur now, cute, funny, seiso, yabai, naruhodo ne...

>>7413628
yeah as the other anon pointed out, this is busted, they started adding oxygen. use industrial nitrogen instead.

>>7410760
hey, don't slander orcas like that! they can read anything, they just choose not to.

>>7424718
>Nia
She's pretty damn cute and airheaded but also has a sailor mouth is addicted to apex. Streams are still entertaining tho

>>7424718
Thanks anon, I'll be checking them out

>>7395011
Simple, not streaming Minecraft.
I refuse to watch any vtuber if they're not playing Minecraft. Minecraft is just the perfect game to stream, endless possibilities, both a perfect material for zatsudan and chill streams, but also perfect for tryhard and autists, perfect for artist as you can create so many things, good for exploration.
It's also the ideal collab game, from 2 to as many players as you want, you can have a server with group projects.
Honestly I don't see why anyone would bother streaming anything that isn't minecraft.

>>7437667
t. Steve

>>7395366
>religious activities
Immediately stopped reading

>>7410123
>so if you're by now not fallen into a parasocial pseudo-gfe "oshi" rabbit hole (e.g. you "love" a particular talent and watch her not for general entertainment value but because of some imaginary relationship you think you have with her), you're probably getting bored by now, because you've seen all the tricks the vtuber medium can do
I see you've never watched a Nyanners stream.

I only watched EN for a couple of months after they debuted.

>>7401669
Your pic related has also been on the scene since 2018 (or longer if you count appearances on Eilene videos)
Good taste there.
Only problem is she never has a schedule and catching a stream is sheer luck.

>>7410760
You aren't allowed to separate text here, it's known as reddit spacing.

>>7410123
That's exactly why Hololive resists dropping the idol/gfe angle. They can't maintain hype forever. They need some fans to stick around long-term.

>>7395486
Actual virgin

Summer debuff is a thing. And it's worse now since people have been inside for months and want to actually do something during their vacations.

It will get even worse once schools start but it eventually things will normalise.

Why is this thread filled with tourists?

>>7448969
This is the tourist's board
You can see tons of people unironically using things such as "touch grass" "virgin" "have sex" "incel" and so on, which are the typical zoomer normalfag vocab.

>>7426952
Then buy it from a welding supply shop.
No chance they can add oxy to that.

She’s not the biggest vtuber now. This is what happens when you pander to normalfags, they’ve moved on to the next fad.

>>7410123
Good writeup and probably generally true for a part of the fanbase.
For me it's mostly time constraints though. Guras oceanside chat was as magical as me discovering chuubas for the first time and I'm invested in the Mythbreakers project.
My "oshi" doesn't condone huge parasocial investment and therefore I don't feel as obligated to watch her every stream like others do.
I'll probably invest more time into them once stuff settles down. Summer weather has been pretty shitty so far anyway.

>>7395097
>>7410123
I've been on this shit since 2016 and I'm still here so I'm glad casuals are getting filtered. It was never novelty for me, just an iteration of content I already consumed.

>>7449002
I think most people who use touch grass are too terminally online to be considered normalfags

>>7410760
Reddit spacing whew lad better go back readability and structure is bad boogeyman website

>>7423324
whoa exact experience and preferences as me.

>>7425386
Are you talking about when she didn't know if she should prank call people like Ollie or a JP holo? Are you not aware of the JP holos that are well known to drop spaghetti the moment they have to interact with people they don't normally talk to?

>>7398910
Ina is not affected by the Youtube viewers bug.

>>7395224
In the US people just sort of decided they were done with the pandemic regardless of any risk, so yeah pretty much. Short attention spans.

>>7395452
America is statistically super religious compared to other developed nations

>>7395536
Never pander to normalfags unless you're a megacorp and have a ton of money to keep their attention

>>7395814
NijiEn does have better chemistry and doesn't feel as restricted. I'll give them that. I think being so restrictive is part of what makes holoEn kinda boring at times.

>>7396210
>My corpo loyalty.
Stfu

>>7396681
She isn't much a mascot that's for sure.

>>7395011
HoloEN have been gateway-d, i've seen a lot of growth amongh indie ENs and smaller groups. I think it's more people are finding vtubers more to their personal taste.

>>7408236
This

>>7395120
>HoloEN is way too self conscious
True. Hopefully next gen has more easy going entertainers.

>>7450913
This. Got into vtubing with Hololive EN and have now mostly moved on to Nijisanji EN.

>>7449031
don't you need permits or some shit for that?

>>7425958
based

>>7437667
How do you feel about the decision of separating EN and JP servers?

>>7449002
that's because when those phrases started popping up here, you had tourists trying to fit in and flooding them with (you)s, saying to "go back nigger", of course that will only make it increase.

>>7395011
Unironical saturated market? It doesn't feel like something special anymore, also the fad is over, right now is living from already existing fans.

>>7395011
>1.Got complacent and lowered their standards.
Lower standards = lower expectations = lower audience enthusiasm

>2. Take too long to release new gens
One gen a year is a stupid idea in a competitive field. All the talent are being snatched up by other companies. There should be 10+ ENs right now.

>>7395011
i got bored with english speaking vtubers too. they should at least try to play diverse games or improve their skills. why do theses streams STILL fucking suck at playing MC? jp vtubers like pekora was a total noob to the game at first, but they can now make watchable contents in mc.

>Is the vtuber trend over?

in the west maybe. in japan, absolutely no. for example, pekoras recent collab with luna got over 70k viewers during the stream. not with miko. things like this never used to happen.

>>7424718
Do (You) have any suggestions for a EOP vtuber who is more gameplay/unique content orientated?
I love Reine (HoloID), and I like Ina (HoloEN), Ame (HoloEN) and recently and especially Selen (NijiEN)? I've been looking for other ones but I've only "found" Selen.

>>7450710
>Never pander to normalfags unless you're a megacorp and have a ton of money to keep their attention
Many startups make this very mistake

>>7463199
Elira would be right up your alley. She's also NijiEN.

>>7395011

Something kinda weird happened with me where I still watch all the JP talents I used to watch but I've backed off a bit on EN, where as when they came out I used to look at their schedules each week and make time to watch them.

I've straight up unsubbed to both Calli and Kiara for reasons not worth getting into itt. Gura is still enjoyable but only seems to stream the bare minimum required amount. Ina is always amazing to watch but her stream times are almost always at bad times for me now when I'm just getting home and have shit to do except for her usual Sunday drawing stream. So it's basically just Ame now for regular viewing since her times are best for me.

Still feels odd to me that they have 50 talents and there's still so much space with 0 streamers active on Sunday/Monday evenings.

>>7395011
and yet her vods are still high in viewership. weird how that works

>>7463199
>Tenma Maemi(Phase Connect)
Has played Blasphemous, Binding of Isaac and Dead Cells. Is going to start playing Hades next week I think. She has also put tons of effort in making her streams look nice, something she has in common with Ame https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAwAUB0t8CE&pp=sAQA
>Pippa Pipkin(Phase Connect)
Comedian rabbit. Extremely /here/, a ball of concentrated energy. Cursed content. She gets along really well with Tenma they have easily some of the best duo collabs in the EN side: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGLKk6S4pBM
>Nia Suzune (Prism)
Apex addict catgirl
>Ban Hada(NijiKR)
Don't let the KR tag fool you, she is actually Australian and speaks EN 90% of the time. Apex addict, good membership content, some zatsudans, Ame tier community posts and even some short covers (she is pretty good).
>Lee Roha(NijiKR)
This one is for that weird content fix, she isn't good at English at all, but jesus christ is this girl creative. She does VRchat streams with some british friends in which she uses her adorable broken english and fucks around. She plays the piano and streams performances with a 3d setup all made by herself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bl7or9aqzU

>>7464257
>I've straight up unsubbed to both Calli and Kiara for reasons not worth getting into itt
I think we all know the reasons, anon

>14k funneled full 5 EN collab
oh no no no no

>>7463199
Luto, Gura's imouto from Prism, is batshit crazy and plays basically whatever. Her Oneesan Kana is sorta the same, but a slowed down version of Gura with a bit more Yabe and her game choice is always fun to watch

Niji EN is 6/6 to, even their weakest girls (Finana and Rosemi) still are miles more fun and engaging without forcing it

>>7472635
Yeah, I hadn't mentioned it but I like following the NijiEN group as a whole, I don't see how you couldn't, really. They're all very tight knit and I appreciate them even if I don' tune into their streams every moment.
>>7465137
I'll check these out, seems like Nia is streaming now.

>>7472247
yeah only 14k viewers are watching the full en collab. its hilariously fucking bad. its worse than a random mc stream of miko.

but honestly i dont even want to watch ttrpg shit with vtubers. seems holo en lacks collab ideas.

>>7472635
Finana is just horny Ina without puns.

>>7473471
yes, and?

>>7395011
I got tired of Gura's extended breaks, never using twitter, ghosting her fans, never collabing with JP members, never finishing games, picking bad songs for her karaoke streams, then coming back to do shill streams of all things.

Calliope is boring.
Kiara is obnoxious.
Ina is boring.
Amelia is alright but rages too much.

Nijisanji EN is more fun, more tightknit, and play better games. They call in to each other's streams and do spontaneous collabs all the time. It's such a breath of fresh air.

Prism Project and Phase Connect are also great. Luto and Pippa are rising stars.

>>7472247
EN2 WHEN?

>>7402460
welcome to /vt/

>>7474642
It boggles my mind that they still haven't launched EN2. By the time Irys got launched it was already late for EN2.
And now the reclining is in full swing.

>>7475050
What can ENStaff possibly do with EN2, that will make all this waiting worth it? They're most likely going to debut chuubas the same janky rigging as IRyS and Cat-Gura.
Even the startups realize that they need to release gens quicker; Tsunderia, Phase-Connect and Kawaii all are pushing out auditions.

>>7475602
EN2 will be the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ.

>>7473969
nijien is certainly like 100x more unhinged than holoen which is pretty hilarious, i still tune into gura but also idk man theres lots of shit to watch these days

en also has weirdly bad stream times.

>>7408363
I'm pretty sure those views were people wondering how she can talk about Taco Bell for an hour, because that's the only reason I watched it

>>7395366
Aren't religious activities in the MORNING anon?
Going to church then noon mass then your day is free?
How is late afternoon/evening going to be affected.
Based retard schizo.

>>7476525
At this rate EN2 will come out the same time as NijiEN wave3