/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>7843348
Based Iinchou

>>7843348
Thanks Iinchou

Mito is better than most of the holos 2bh.

>>7843348
ok

>>7843348
Mito would have been Marine levels of popular if she was a Holo

>>7843348
I wish vtubers copied more than just the 2d streamer part from her.

>Getting beat by an indie vampire who only plays Apex to join the company.
Pretty sad, really.

>>7843687
Mito makes more money than Marine

Watch her latest skyrim stream. Do it.

>>7843348
Thank you Iinchou even though I can't watch you

You guys should check out Linchou's album. >>7770441 to listen to it for free.

>>7843348
Uh no, HL were fine before her and all of gen0 were 3D and all of the companies and even indies before her were 3D.
If anything she lowered the quality of vtubing and allowed absolute bozos with ms paint avatars get in and oversaturate the market

>>7844183
Vtubing remains niche even after two or three years Iinchou introduce it, if anything, the expansion of vtubing outside Japan is what makes it over saturated. But enough off topic discussions, talk about why Iinchou is based

>>7843348
who?

>>7843348
Thank you Iinchou I love a lot of the newer chuubas

>>7843348
I want to breed this gremlin

>>7843348
Loved your Skyrim singing stream Iinchou, also i love that vintage looking song + MV

>>7843348
Thanks Mito, your clips are one of my favourite as well.

>>7843348
February 7th, 2018, the debut of Tsukino Mito, is the day that vtubing died. What Mito brought to the table was the popularity of cheap ass Live2D instead of the 3D that was the standard before her. The format she also brought to the table also ruined vtubing. Before her the popular style were short form skits in which the vtuber had to showcase their creativity in a short amount of time to entertain the audience. Mito popularized being a lazy ass playing videogames for hours. Why bother scripting actual content when you can just sit on your ass and play videogames for hours to get popular?

Mito ruined vtubing and we will never go back to the glory days of content that existed before her.

>>7844710
I keep seeing this repeated but the old style of vtubing was already dying and would have been dead anyway even if she hadn't come along.

>>7844797
You keep seeing it repeated because its true

>>7844710
>short video good long video bad
Meds, specifically Ritalin.

>>7843348
Thanks iinchou

>>7844070
>Watch her latest skyrim stream. Do it.

At least link the damn thing. Wouldn't want anyone missing out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS2EnUYl7XQ

>>7844710
Based and truthpilled

>>7844710
Funnily enough Nijis still made 3D skits and shows on regular basis, they're just not the only content available now.

>>7844888
And? So does everybody else. That wasn't the point I was making.

>>7844710
Mito is a lot like Kpop in that regard. Burst onto the scene with lazy content and lazy costumes/designs. Exploded in popularity for some reason and created some of the most obnoxiously vile fans the medium has to offer (Kpop stans and Nijiniggers). Then both formats invited an absolute avalanche of the most mundane, bottom of the barrel content that they themselves popularized.

Pop music was killed by Kpop
Vtubing was killed by Mito

>>7844960
>And?
So vtubers still do scripted contents and there are people watching them. Then what's the point of complaining about livestreaming? There would be less people watching vtubers like e.g. Miko or Sora today without livestreaming, and they're still free to do scripted contents and some do make them.

I don't get why people who hate the streaming style are still here on this board, shouldn't they quit the hobby already?

>>7843348
Hololive is older than Nijisanji and Sora was streaming before Mito even debuted you absolute clueless Nijinigger. Mito sucks by the way.

>>7844710
You will never be 2Dhater

>>7844960
You are saying vtubing died because people are using vtubing for things other than skits. Skits still exist.

>>7845148
>So vtubers still do scripted contents
A lot of nothing. How many streams do these make up compared to just sitting on your ass playing videogames? Probably like 1% and who do we have to thank for ripping all the creativity out of vtubing? You just have to go back to February 7th, 2018 and you can see the death of vtubing as it began. Tsukino Mito not only popularized being a lazy fuck playing videogames for hours, but also popularized looking like a cheap ass PNG as opposed to a fully 3D model.

>>7844710
>>7845082
Absolute brainlets.
Mito peaked vtubing. Everything before is was garbage.
>m-muh 2D!
L2D is better than 3D, and that's a fact, specially the monstrosities that were early 3D chuubas.
>I-I liked Kizuna IA!
Then you must be a complete fucking retard.

>>7845452
What a lame post shill.

I am going to direct everybody in this thread to check out this stream. A collab between Kenmochi and Kizuna Ai that just happened the other day.

https://youtu.be/LUHxpSIeOVQ

I implore you to watch this and study it. Study the magnificent 3D model of Kizuna Ai standing next to the pathetic cardboard cut out that is Kenmochi. Its honestly pathetic that Nijisanji is comfortable showing off a pathetic display like that when you have Ai-chans god tier model just completely mogging everything they have ever done. Live2D was a fucking mistake and no stream better demonstrates that than the one I linked. Watch and learn something newfags.

>>7845531
3D niggers need to be shot on site. There's a reason why 3D models lost.
L2D > 3D.
Kizuna IA's whole talent is screaming and being absolutely Godawful at videogames.
Contemporary PNGtubers are better than old 3D chuubas.

>>7845452
Sure, the godmother of vtubing is suddenly Mito now instead of Kizuna Ai or the four heavenly kings.
Never thought I'd find a more obnoxious fanbase outside of Holos but here I am

>>7845531
But the radio was based and they even had a rap battle. Something tells me you only care about visuals

>>7845452
This is the stupidest shit i've even seen 2D avatar in no way will ever be better than 3D, the fact you mentioned Ai-chan shows how fucked you are. Go tell the Olympic committee they own you the gold in mental gymnastics.

If 3D were so bad Niji itself wouldn't bother getting it for it's streamers and the fact that those are the streams Nijifucks like to boast the most about in terms of numbers shows that you are outright delusional

>People own Mito
bitch Ai-chan and her 3D are what people own their careers to and the smarts ones have even thanked her personally for that.

>>7845630
I didn't mention anything about the actual content of the stream. I agree, I enjoyed it very much as a Kizuna Ai fan. I loved every second of that stream.

I was simply talking about the models and Kenmochi looks like a fucking embarrassment next to the magnificent and beautiful Kizuna Ai with her glorious full range motion and 3D. Truly a site to behold especially contrasted with the lame ass cardboard cut out.

>>7845628
Putting words in my mouth? Pretty low.
I never said anything about "the grandmother of vtubing", I said that Mito peaked vtubing, those a very different things.

>>7845630
Dude is just LARPing as an old /jp/ thread sperg that no one on this board knows and only 1-2 other faggots like me barely remember.

So many based Ai-chads in this thread. A toast to all you based motherfuckers. Fuck Mito and death to Live2D. Special shout out to Kaguya Luna. A true goddess taken from us too soon.

Thank you Mito

>>7845673
Peaked? When?
Sorry to say that she was a nobody back then and was anything but that.
Even now she's mogged by your Kuzuha in terms of numbers and views, and actual peak is Hololive who managed to expand into the west with decent success.
Mito may have played a part in building the vtuber scene, but that's it.
That or you have a weird definition of the word "peak".
Feel free to keep sucking your own cock though, no one is stopping you.

>>7845656
Yes, L2D is better than 3D.
Only niggers like you, whose taste is so awful that you are still stuck in old chuubas, would care about 3D. Nijisanji only boasts about 3D when doing off-collabs because it helps sell the atmosphere of variety TV better than an online collab with L2D avatars.
If 3D were better then Ange and Rindou, among others, wouldn't have stopped using it in favour of their L2D avatars. the only people who use 3D avatars are the ones who cannot afford a high quality L2D.
>b-but they have to thank Kizuna
There he goes again, into a diatribe about shit I didn't say. I'll repeat it for you as well: Mito is better than Kizuna and every single old chuuba, this is a fact. At no point did I say that the old chuubas weren't important or that they didn't lay the ground work for Mito to expand.
You people know old chuubas are so awful that anyone saying anything remotely bad about them (that they were surpassed by Mito) is taken as an attack on their (garbage) content.
Kizuna's content got old within a couple of videos while Mito remains entertaining three years into her career.
>3D is better because numbers say so!
Oh, yeah? Wanna take a look at Kizuna's numbers and compared them to Mito? Talking about numbers isn't going to help you in any way shape or form.

>>7845867
Peaked the quality of the content, bufoon.

>>7845940
>high quality L2D
massive kek. L2D was popular because how it's considerably easier to have access to and cheaper to use compared to 3D. Would you just look at older L2D streams by any vtuber you'd see how janky they look, while Kizuna always had a good 3D model since 2016.

She should go back to starring in amateur shibari JAVs.
Or tell us more stories like that time she swapped spit between her gyaru friends and some foreigners when she went out clubbing.

>>7845997
yeah right. If one wasn't a Nijifag they wouldn't even have know Mito without Googling.
Keep embarrassing your oshi.
Also, Kuzuha exist and Niji is called Manjisanji for a reason.

>>7846070
you even found a way to make this about kuzuha
sasuga KING of rent free

>>7845940
>Live2D is better
Hey avatarfag did you not watch the stream I linked here >>7845531 ? You can't be serious.
>Mito is better than Kizuna and every single old chuuba
Massive kek newfag. Kizuna Ai still puts out content on a frequent basis that is more entertaining and more creative than anything Mito has ever done, and that is just her newer stuff after her supposed "decline". If you go back to her golden days its not even a contest, Kizuna totally wrecks Mito. That isn't even bringing up Kaguya Luna who just completely blows Mito out of the water.

>>7846152
Can't accept someone from the same company being more popular than your beloved Mito?
I wouldn't have gave half shit about Mito if it werent for you.

>>7846213
>someone from the same company being more popular than Mito
There are a large number of them more popular than Mito now. She has reclined HARD from her golden days. A mere husk of what she used to be.

>>7845940
Rin, Mito and Kaede are all ugly hags that wish they were JK, I mean I guess the thanks they do deserve is starting the company as the 1st streamers I guess but the real faces of Nijsanji are here time to send the slags to the retirement home

>>7846017
>L2D was popular because how it's considerably easier to have access to and cheaper to use compared to 3D.
Actual and unironical lie. Not even trying here. 3D is so cheap that twitch has been filled with 2views chuubas for years whose models were absolutely abhorrent.
>b-but Kizuna's 3D was good!
Yes, the only one, and people quickly forgot about her because the more beautiful L2D girls started to come out.
>they looked jank!
Yes, and that L2D jank is better than 3D. That's the reason why no 3D chuuba can compete; or you could also say that old chuubas offered such trash content that janky L2D was enough to mog them.
Even in Hololive, which has audience sharing, the 3D talent is behind the 2D talent.
To simplify: 2D > 3D and Mito > Old chuubas.
Picrel is circa 2018, black and white: Mito after killing the "4 heavenly kings".

>massive kek
Where do you retards even come from? Who writes like this?

>>7846190
How come nobody Kizuna anymore then?

>>7846273
>That's the reason why no 3D chuuba can compete
LOL, you know Sakura Miko puts up much better numbers that Mito these days and she is exclusively 3D right?

>>7846213
kek i don't even give a fuck about this debate i just love to see how popular he is and just how much space he occupies in the mind of people who don't even watch him. the definition of rent free. what a KING.

>>7843857
She didn't even grind anymore so it's ok

I don't know. Something isn't right about this japanese girl.

>>7846273
>Twitch 2view chuubas
Sure, and ignore the ridiculous amount of poorly made L2D chuubas are out there. Also, PNGtubers
>more beautiful L2D girls
You're not trying anymore aren't you. Mito looks boring as fuck and the L2D she had back in the days was trash
>old chuubas offered such trash content that janky L2D was enough to mog them
I was talking about how bad they looked not content.
>Even in Hololive, which has audience sharing, the 3D talent is behind the 2D talent.
Miko is one of the top Holo chuubas and she streams in 3D, exclusively.
>>7846341
>Kuzuha rent free
I don't care about him or you Nijifags, I just threw him out as an argument. You clearly don't understand the meaning of rent free.
Way to avoid a point.

>>7846070
>n-nobody would k-know about Mito!
Nobody knows about Kuzina or the old chuubas.
Nobody watches them.
Nobody cares about them.
>b-but muh Kuzuha
What does he have to do with Mito? Yeah, he's bigger than Mito, which means that he completely stomps old chuubas.
>mad about Kuzuha
Are you schizophrenic? What are you even trying to say? What kind of retort is this? "Waaaah, if you don't like old chuubas then screw your oshi!" is one of the most pathetic "arguments" I've read in this board.
Also, Mito is not my oshi, I like Utako a lot more.

>Mito made the form of vtubing with the lowest barrier of entry the most popular leading to a market of 20k literal whos streaming to no one and grifters looking for a buck
She is bad. She made things worse. A bright future doesn't involve what she did. She destroyed the industry.

>>7846279
It's SEA waking up.

>>7846070
No one calls it manjisanji other than this board. It's MANSANJI. manko. Pussy. Governed by pussy (fujos)
Get your 5chmatome terms right or don't use them at all.

This thread got infested bu schizos pretty fast.

>>7846190
>avatarfag
I have to avatarfag because you retards keep getting baited by other anons. Like the one who got baited by the Kuzuha poster.
>l-look at t-the podcast!
Yes, and prefer Kenmochi to Kizuna, even when Kenmochi is the blandest design in Nijisanji.
>h-her content is good, I swear!
I'm sorry about your mental retardation. In the real word Kizuna became irrelevant because her content is god awful, like every other chuuba from her time.
>n-newfag!
You hadn't even finished highschool when Kizuna debutted, nigger, and I still remember subscribing to her a couple of days after her first video and unsubscribing a few months later because her content was the worst in my subscription feed.
>>7846326
Yes, the same Sakura Miko who was saved by Hololive and who gets mogged by her L2D kouhais. Did you even stop to think before posting?
>>7846473
A bad L2D > a bad 3D. Simple as.
>you are not even trying
You are the one who isn't trying. You are the one who entirely dismisses that L2D is so much more beautiful that it consistently beats 3D chuubas.
>not content
And I'm talking about content. The discussion about looks, at the end of the day, is a matter of preference (and the majority has clearly stated they prefer L2D, the numbers do not lie).
>Miko
As said earlier in the comment: Miko not only got saved by Hololive, but she gets mogged by other Holos. There are 12 Holos with more subscribers and every single one of them is her Kouhai.

>>7846810
>Miko gets mogged by her L2D kouhais
Literally only one. Miko is LITERALLY #2 in all of Hololive in viewership.

>>7844849
>皆さん!ぶん殴りますよ!
>ごめんごめん、先生が悪かった
oh fuck why am i only subbing to her now

I don't get why people make these threads. To boost Mito's numbers back to her peak? Her high numbers almost killed her once with mind numbing pressure. Just let Mito live in peace.

>>7846915
>past 9 days
Try again, son, you thought I wouldn't look at the dates?
https://trackholo.live/en/
She gets mogged by 12 other chuubas, and several of those are trash, like Gura.
Miko lifetimes views: https://playboard.co/en/channel/UC-hM6YJuNYVAmUWxeIr9FeA/viewership
Coco's: https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCS9uQI-jC3DE0L4IpXyvr6w/viewership
She literally gets mogged by a dead chuuba.
Lamy is on half the amount of views of Miko despite having started only a year ago.
Korone also mogs Miko's viewership numbers.
Fubuki also destroys Miko's numbers.
I'll stop there before looking at Pekora's and Rushia's so that you don't commit suicide.

>>7847082
Living in the past hoping to recapture old glory. I don't know of anybody here follows baseball at all but Mito is pretty comparable to Albert Pujols. Used to be a shining star on top of the entire industry/sport but is now a broken down husk shadow of what they used to be. Yet they are still hanging on for some reason and looking really pathetic doing it.

>>7847127
Gotta admit, your mental gymnastics are pretty good. Fine, if the most recent and relevant timeline isn't enough for you, how about the viewership stats for the entire year so far.

Look at that, Miko is still #2 and that isn't even including August which has been her best month of the year so far so the distance between her and #3 is just going to widen.

>>7847150
I don't know what the hell you are talking about, but Mito's still having the fun of her life vtubing, she was singing with a ukelele in skyrim just the other day and she still does weird project streams, she's arguably even more happy now that her numbers have decreased since she doesn't have to live up to the expectations of forty thousand bored viewers expecting her to act like a monkey and entertain them.

weird that the anti holofag guy knows so much about hololive lol

>>7846190
>That isn't even bringing up Kaguya Luna who just completely blows Mito out of the water.
Please don't use my dead oshi for retarded nonsense arguments, thanks.

>>7847269
They can only see numbers, you should know that by now.
If her numbers are down she must be doing horrible in all ways, if she's doing horrible it must be because her content is bad, her content being bad and that's why her numbers are down.

>>7847410
If the content was good people would watch. Seems like a pretty simple concept to me.

>>7847226
>Miko
Average views per stream: 14k
>Pekora
Average views per stream: 20k
>Marine
35k
>Coco
56k
>Gura
16k
>Subaru
15k
2021 has definitely been a good year for Miko, but she still relies on streaming a bunch more than the other girls and she can barely keep up with the 2D girls.
Her average video views are also considerably lower than many other holos on average.
So, yes, if Miko streams thrice as much as Marine, she does get slightly larger total numbers for the year (not lifetime), but in any given video and or stream there is more people watching Marine than Miko.
>mental gymnastics
Cute, considering you have to talk about the one Holo who overworks herself because she literally can barely compete with dead chuuba's numbers.

>>7847453
See? There it is.

>>7847453
"Simple" and "good", "adequate", or "correct" are not synonymous. Your answer doesn't always work, since many talented people can go unnoticed for a variety of reasons.

>>7847905
Are you saying freaking Mito is "unnoticed"? She is one of the most famous chuubas ever so there must be another reason why she has reclined so hard. It has to be the fact that her content sucks now and people choose not to watch.

how bout this?
>objective
end of argument.

>>7848018
Newfags who came through Hololive don't know who she is, so there's no chance they'd watch. That alone explains it.
But I'm sure you already realized that and choose to ignore it.

>>7848018
No. I'm saying that there are more explanations for things like this than just "bad content". Talented people going unnoticed is just an example of something similar.

>>7848371
In what universe is Mito unnoticed?

>>7848434
>He can't read.

>>7848371
Yeah, lets ignore the obvious reason why her viewership has reclined and instead come up with some abstract ideas!!!

>>7845082
You vastly overestimate kpop's popularity and influence.

>>7848455
>He literally cannot read

>>7843348
I want to impregnate Iinchou and have a long and fulfilling relationship with her!

Iinchou the based GOD.
Aishitter seething for 3 years and still counting.

Goob job at baiting the /vyt/ SEAnigger schizos, OP.

Also, Mito has not declined in a significant way. Her numbers are consistent as fuck since 3 years despite there being a million more vtubers in the industry now. Meanwhile, Kizuna is a completely dead shell of her former self after the controversy surrounding her VA happened.

>>7845082
cope ainigger

>>7844710
this

>>7844183
Based

>>7843869
>no collabs with Coco
>no collabs with Haachama
>no iconic and instantly recognizable catchphrases that define her personality like "I'm horny!"
Mito is nobody. She's the Avatar of vtubers, even if she makes money she has no personality or iconic content.

>>7856822
/vyt/ please.........

>>7856941
You're newfag living in your bubble.

>>7856941
upvoted, take my reddit gold

>>7856941
>no iconic content
https://youtu.be/DfvMPRDrqbE

>>7857003
>>7857009
>>7857026
Nijincels.

>>7845619
Absolute nigger
>There's a reason why 3D models lost.
It's cost
>Contemporary PNGtubers are better than old 3D chuubas.
It has nothing to do with 2D vs 3D, i see you're grasping at the straws here

>>7843348
linchou I kneel...

>>7856941
Based

>>7843348
This girl is the OG vtuber, not Shitzuna Chinkai

>>7843348
You ruined everything you low quality disgusting goblin. I pray for the day you and your shitty company get their deserved comeuppance.

>>7843348
Thank you iinchou

>>7860747
That's Ami Yamato. Seethe all you want and keep blaming Kizuna Ai for what happened to Kiryu Coco

>>7843348
I...I...kneel

>>7861506
I've never watched Coco in my life and I don't know who are you talking about

>>7844368
>the expansion of vtubing outside Japan is what makes it over saturated.
niji before HL's popularity is already saturated lmao

>>7843348
I coomed to Mito more than any other vtuber
thanks