/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

3.4K waiting for akabane

2.9k waiting for nene

We can deduce that for each minute that passes, viewers for each increases by 100.

Going by this logic each would gain 3200 viewers roughly, however due to how fast viewers stack up the closer to the start the rate of increase increases so to factor that I’ll add 2000 to my estimate.

So final estimated waiting time total would be.

8600 waiting for akabane

And 8100 for nene.

For bullshits sake, add an extra 2000 for each

So Leos got nearly 60k on his stream and 2.8k members was it?
I'd say that was a smashing success by any metric.

>>7859478
Are you factoring in the premiere on Nene channel, 15 min prior?

>>7859515
I wouldn’t factor that as premiere numbers fluctuate between viewing and actual premiere

>>7859493
Indeed. It is also a good thing for numberfaggotry to know the ballpark value of members in a channel that size.

>>7859523
Plus there’s a regards 1 minute countdown which I fucking hate

>>7859523
No, the point being people that are waiting in the premiere may not be waiting in the actual anniversary stream, throwing off your numbers a little.

>>7859548
If anything nene is retarded for doing the premiere first when she could’ve do the marine strat to gain maximum numbers for both of her premiers

>>7859478
Are you also factoring Risu overlap stream? Same slot as Nene

>>7859572
>If anything nene is retarded
you don't say

Reminder: Gura is on par with Kuzuha in VOD views now. Chumbabies can't use that argument anymore. She has dead subs by any metric now.

>>7859552
Good point, then you can divide the premiere number by half via YouTube fuckery reduction estimate and multiply then divide it by how many minutes are left until premiere.

Then you can include that number to the nene 3D waiting as well

>>7859572
>nene is retarded
My wife is not the sharpest tool in the shed. Pls anderstand

Ironmouse got impressive numbers yesterday (collab with Skykuno). Her usual numbers are around 8-10k live (twitch, so no filtering)

>>7859478
Free (you)

>>7859580
>Risu overlap stream
Yeah, that will knock some 13 or 14 viewers down

>>7859596
Sorry slight correction divide the waiting time by 2, divide that number by how many minutes are left, then add that result to the estimated waiting for nenes 3D

>>7859572
she has another premiere scheduled for after the 3D

>>7859580
Who?

>>7859592
why is there 144k views on a 22 second stream

>>7859638
Do this for both premieres >>7859638

>>7859592
>on par with
>they are all baseball buffs
...

>>7859640
He only managed to say 4 words before the stream cut out
> WHAT? FUCKING YOUTUBE NIGGERS

>>7859640
lots of people will click on a very short video to see what it is.

>>7859638
Oops I meant do this for both premieres >>7859630

>>7859580
It's not a significant Holo JP stream without Risu or Loafy streaming over it. It's tradition now.

>>7859656
Hikakin and that JPop idol buffs. Please don’t take cheap bait tho

>>7859640
kuzuha accidentally made a second waiting room for his zatsudan which is that 22s frame. he rarely ever makes waiting rooms like that so everyone came to look at it and laugh at him.

>>7859614
Only 15k? With sykkuno? Jesus. She peaked 25k with Mori.

>>7859679
Afterwards go by this post>>7859478

Looking at it so far my prediction is accurate

>>7859614
>>7859700
No bullying the cute mouse, she cute!

Shuba karaoke is approaching rabbit's numbers, watch out peckers!

>>7859656
>>7859689
These are all regular streams with similar amount of duration as hers. Cope.

>>7859702
your prediction is dumb, there's 7500 people in the waiting room for a different nene premiere starting earlier

>>7859727
So... his best is her worst?

>>7859736
Only accounting her 3D anniversary numbers anon

>>7859592
Everyone has dead subs.

>>7859764
Unless you don't have any sub

>>7859761
So you're assuming nobody who watches her pre-show video is going to transfer to the actual stream?

>>7859727
the only normal is the 3:09 one, the others are:
>collab with kanae and an utaite
>zatsu talking about niji's big vr consert
>apex cr-cup final
you could count that pokemon unite stream as a normal one instead

>>7859536
So about....a little less than 1.5% of his sub count joined as members.
Now obviously this is going to be a huge leap of logic that subs to members is linear (it is not) but by this metric Gura would have.....40k members? That's....a terrifyingly high number, and the last estimates put her member count somewhere in the 30k range? based off of some rather dubious info from a fan discord.
Crappy dubious numbercrunching aside, I really wished we had concrete membership numbers (but I know we'll never be getting those numbers).

>>7859777
If you want to account for that though do this>>7859630

Then refer to my original post>>7859478

>>7859727
Kuzuha is getting lazier. He has only 6 streams this month.

>Subaru pushing an easy 20k
Inclining

>>7859845
He had the AR concert at the start of the month so he's taking it easy I presume.

Would you look at that my prediction is coming closer.

>>7859806
>collab with kanae and an utaite
With split POV. That's a debuff. Gura couldn't even get 10k viewers on a split POV collab with Ina.
>zatsu talking about niji's big vr consert
Doesn't have that title, so only a minor part of it must've been dedicated to that.
>apex cr-cup final
He participates in these kind of tourneys so much that it's a regular occurence.

>>7859855
Unarchived karaoke

>>7859930
>Doesn't have that title, so only a minor part of it must've been dedicated to that.
anon 100% of it was about the AR live

>>7859926
what prediction?

>>7859930
ah I get it, you're just a troll

>>7859930
This is what someone who doesn't watch Kuzuha sounds like when they try to use him to shitpost. The ignorance is baffling. Don't respond to bait guys.

Final prediction for starting numbers

Akabane 9.2k

Nene 11k (when you account for premiere viewers too)

>>7859809
Not everyone could tune in the stream and member right away.
Anyway iirc Lauren said he got 4000 members, I can't find the clip but it was probably around that. Axia opened his yesterday and plans to read out all the members' names in a later sc reading stream so we will have another sample.

>>7859806
Are 振り返り streams considered a buff these days?

>>7859809
Nijis have a lot more people willing to member than holos, most holos members are in the 1-2k range

>>7859996
Add 2000 for fast increases like I mentioned before

>>7859996
I will release my final prediction at 59:59, I expect hail and absolute praise for my impeccable precision

Niji is probably going to lose to Nene today if we're not counting koshien.

>>7860046
Leos already beat Nene

>>7859985
Does anyone here actually watch him?

>>7860023
Old talents or new talents( debut after 2020)?

Final final starting prediction numbers

Nene 12k

Akabane 11k

Also, might as well post my prediction. 70k for Nene, 55k for Niji3D

>>7859998
it corresponds with twitter bot's data, he got around 3k during his streams, and probably another thousand offstream

SO I GOT NENES RIGHT BUT AKABANE THE READ HEADED BITCH GOT BULLSHIT NUMBERS LIKE I CALLED IT HEHEHEABBAAHHAHAAB

>>7860067
>prediction
aren't you just copying the numbers on those counters?

>>7860069
>70k
Too high for Nene. Mine tops at 55k

>>7859809
A large part of holoen subs are dead, and a significant part of them are SEA which don't even have access to memberships. Applying ratios from a freshman with fully live viewership will vastly inflate your estimates.

>>7860069
>70k for Nene
Is she more popular than Lamy?

>>7860056
I do, mainly when he plays apex or other fps that doesn't require you to understand Japanese to enjoy

>>7860056
I started watching him a bit for numberfagging purposes, but the dude is a good entertainer. Streams are fun and his reactions are dynamic. Don't really know exactly what he's saying cuz no translators, but if you were in the zatsu, it was really obvious he was talking about the AR live.

>>7859809
>>7860023
Gura has at an absolute minimum 14k members, since that many people voted on a membership poll
Ame has at an absolute minimum 3600, since that many liked one of her recent members posts

>>7860098
So in the end i accurately predicted it with sheer autism. I’m never doing this again.

Like I mentioned before, for akabanea 11k add 2000 (for bullshit increase numbers).

>overlapping another 3D
risu is a fucking retard

>>7860115
Probably a little less.

>>7860060
>>7860128
holoJPs have very few members in comparison to holoEN or Niji

>>7860115
>Is she more popular than Lamy?
Depends on if there are guests. Nene solo is probably 50k peak, she had a solo live a few months. Lamy didn't do a 3D live, hers was a 3D stream with shenanigans with guests. A 70k prediction for Nene is very bold when we don't know anything about her anniversary live.

>>7860180
Anon, you predicted 8100 for nene then changed it a dozen times before it started, that's not much of a feat

>>7860191
It's on-brand for her.

h-holobros...

think im doing great so far

>>7860222
Where is that bar graph that showed how many unique membership names were in each holomem's chat? That's be a good 'minimum', and I remember Anya had so few she didn't show up on the chart
It's somewhere in the numbers rchive from last month? Fuck I should've saved it.

nene….

>>7860251
I predicted the numbers within 3% of error 5 seconds ahead of stream start. I should be paid for my service.

>>7860222
Suisei has at least 1700 but almost never posts members content
Kanata has at least 4000
Same reasoning, likes on recent member posts, so this is the absolute minimum it could be

>>7860279
>comparing 3d debut with generic anniversary stream
what

>>7860341
This is some cope. Gokishit isn't popular, period.

>>7860222
>holoJPs have very few members in comparison to holoEN or Niji
>niji
You what?

>>7860341
anniv stream is 3D too.

Also anniv stream by the relatively more popular streamer.

its a fair comparison

>>7860302
I’m actually fucking impressed why were you autistic to do this

>>7860388
3D debut buff trumps everything stop being fucking retarded.

>>7860365
I'm not tribalfag, but you should look at the numbers for Niji's 3D Bday/Anniversary lives before talking shit.

>>7860365
Go back to /jp/ you fucking nigger

>>7859614
Those are pretty fucking low.
Nyanners got ~20k in a collab with Kiara that had 2 PoVs and Mouse got like ~23k in the collab with Mori

>>7860370
Nijis literally get 4k members in the first month of debut while Kanata only has 4k even after more than a year, only a tribalfag would think holos have more members

>>7860388
Everyone knows Niji 3D debuts pull in lots of tourists, and also that they'll usually never hit that number again in their career (unless they get the baseball). Why even shitpost with them any more

>>7860414
marine got 130k

>>7860388
>>7860279
if you want to compare 3D debuts here you go

>>7860467
This but 5 gen debuts

>>7860388
>relatively more popular streamer
Akabane has 150k subs lmao, losing to her is pretty embarrassing tourists or no tourists

>>7860455
>Nijis literally get 4k members in the first month of debut
source?

Nene's 3D is looking to be 100% live, which isn't good for numbers since it means it'll be inefficient time-wise and she only has 50 mins to build an audience. If it's going to be mostly a sololive, Nene is going to peak at 50k max.

>>7860479
Marine is at least 20x more popular than Nene and she had 13 guests, you mongoloid.

>>7860410
It's comparable since the streamer is literally 4x more popular than the one 3D debutting.

Also that the one debutting is a streamer that doesn't stream as much.

I'm just saying that relatively, someone who is arguably more popular and already having their anniversary should be overtaking someone of relative unknown despite 3D debutting.

I know you're just coping or Nene. But it's true, Nene should be popular enough to overtake someone who doesn't stream as much with a 3D anniv despite the 3D debut buff.

This is literally just another case of dead subs.

>>7860455
That's not how it works anon, memberships go down as well as up.
Since you're not a tribalfag I assume you have some memberships from both agencies that you can go screenshot recent member post engagement from for comparison?

>>7860455
I miss vnuma now.. so many tourists in this thread

>>7860518
Literally just posted in this thread >>7859998

>>7860222
Many holos have better and more direct methods of supporting the talent that gives more in return. It's not a surprise hardcore fans would rather go that route than letting cover take a cut.

>>7860517
Debuted in 2018 and only 150k subs? Damn.

Holy fuck akabane is also live, live chat on the tv.

She’s a good fucking actor

>>7860569
no eops and hako oshis to give a pity

>>7860529
it doesn't matter stop being a massive newfag, 3D debut buff is real, Nene got like 80-90k.
Not replying to a moron who doesn't understand.

>>7860569
she doesn't really stream that much

>>7860622
Anniversary buff is also a thing

Hard stall around 40k. Will revise my prediction down from 55k to 50k, with luck

>>7860612
nijicope

>>7860622
Keep coping, even holos with similar sub counts like Nene have 3D concerts that easily get past the 60k mark but she's failing to even hit 40k, just goes to show how embarassingly full of dead subs her fanbase is

>>7860529
>This is literally just another case of dead subs.
Should've started with this so I didn't waste time reading your garbage post.

>>7860636
Fortunately Nene is providing us with a comparison of the relative size of each, pic related
Now stop shitposting with our wife

>people trying their earnest to interact
ISHYGDDT

Why are deadsubs such a prevalent problem in hololive members?

>>7860636
3d/outfit>birthday>anniversary generally speaking. I've seen outfit and 3d flop back and forth and wouldn't be confident calling either the ultimate buff at least on the Holo side. On Niji it's clearly 3d.

>>7860622
keep the cope.

Also if you wanna compare 3D debut.

Fuwa literally has nearly half of Nene's numbers and got fucking 144k viewers on his debut

Hayato Kagami had even less subs than Coco and Kanata and fucking had 133k viewers.

Ibrahim got fucking 120k and Debi got 113k.

Your argument is that they have 3D debut buff but they got more subs than all these people and couldn't get past them

COPE. MORE

>>7860662
cope harder

Nene having 40k in about 20 mins, but the growth is slowing. If the rest is solo she might just break 50k, best case 55k.. With some guest appearances she might push to 60-65k.

>>7860733
reason behind the dead subs

>>7860495
So Akabane is already getting more than half of what Nene did in her 3D debut despite only having a small fraction of her subs. I think it's safe to say that anything involving 3D with hololive is a faliure. Fuwa, Ibrahim and Hayato destroy these numbers.

>>7860550
There was an anon numberfagging membership here before but I cant find the post. It has coco as second place like 12k members. I only have oct 2020 from vnuma

>>7860721
Because people sub to a ton of Holos then cherry pick the streams they'll actually watch. I probably actually watch about 20% of the stuff that shows up on my feed and maybe catch 10% of that live. I'm subbed to 12 of them. Imagine a JP watched that might be subbed to 25 or whatever.

Nenechi will have pretty low viewers but I'm guessing the superchats will be better than average holos

>>7860726
You forgot debut

>>7860733
Wait... does it mean Gura has to get at least one million ccv if she has 3D debut(by proportion)

>buff this buff that
I love how the numbers thread relies on such inaccurate, inexact things.
Please, either show a graph or shut the fuck up as this discussion simply boils down to tribalfagging. As far as I care the bigger number is better until someone provides stats to back their shitty arguments.

>>7860721
Every fucking channel on youtube has dead subs. It's just the nature of the beast.

>>7860637
It doesn't seem like Nene is interested about having guests so far so numbers-wise it'll be similar to her sololive a few months ago when she peaked at 49k.

>>7860736
there's no mention of guests at least

>>7860813
Bigger problem for hololive than nijisanji, imagine having 5x the amount of subs but barely on par or losing in terms of views and income

Tourist here, so the number thread is just a stealth console war thread?
geez. Can't talk about numbers without shitting everyone else

>>7860784
Niji has yet to beat record 3D event which is miko return, so right back at you.

>>7860813
But not even nijis have it this bad, hell not even kuzuha who’ll reach 1m subs.

Seriously do EOPs have short attention spans?

>>7860813
That's not the point and you know it. Why are the ration of dead subs so prevalent in one party opposed to the other. I can't believe this needs to be spelled out, stop being so intentionally oblivious lmao

>>7860733
Nijisanji get a lot of people to support all their talents in their 3d debuts. It's impressive. It's one of the few places they can blow hololive out of the water. but compare a birthday or anniversary stream and you will see a difference.

https://twitter.com/momosuzunene/status/1423958657155305476

>>7860790
That's not even close to correct since it's based on vnuma which tracked only members who comment on streams. Closer to the minimum estimate.

>>7860823
>>7860824
She said last night that there wouldn't be any guests.

>>7860852
numbershit is purely for console wars shitposting

>>7860872
Well its dated. Like I said theres a latest one but I cant find it rip

>>7860854
That was before the December CCV count slash. Fuwa and Ibrahim definitely got more than that. They have way more VOD views than that stream.

>>7860810
It's pretty simple: Niji 3D debuts will get bigger numbers, but that won't translate into lasting interest in the channel. This gives tribalfags on both sides something to point at and be smug about.

>>7860852
Nice try but you're not a new IP

>>7860823
She has the same idol autism as aqua

>>7860839
>>7860859
>imagine not having a single YT gold shield, because nijiniggers are stingy with subs kek.

>>7860866
Niji birthdays vary, some people have whole live concerts, some others just do a totsumachi
Their 3Ds vary too. I kinda wish Kanda debuted when /#/ existed

>>7860897
Occasionally you get useful info through all the bullshit, but a lot of bullshit there is. The nature of imageboards.

>>7860866
Most nijis don't get to do 3Ds for their birthdays or anniversaries so it's not a fair comparison.

>>7860721
Foreign clipfags and brand loyalty

>>7860622
>>7860662
>>7860733
>>7860735

>>7860930
That’s actually pretty good to be honest, it gives more accurate numbers

>>7860854
Highest 3D is Coco's graduation

>>7860965
Primo nijicope

>>7860918
How do people even tell that one is a new IP?
And no, I only check the thread occasionally. I usually lurk in other threads cause I can't keep up with the shit here

>>7860918
>Niji 3D debuts will get bigger numbers, but that won't translate into lasting interest in the channel
Why do you keep pretending that it's Niji exclusive thing? Holo bottom members get the same treatment (look at Roboco's new costume stream for example)

>>7860940
The most popular ones do and they do shit numbers

>>7860859
by your amazing logic kuzuha also has dead subs, since he gets the same regular live numbers as kenmochi, whos got 1/4 of his subs

>>7860918
Even for niji, this 3D view count is kinda low.

>>7860915
>Fuwa and Ibrahim definitely got more than that
Only publicly available numbers should count. Headcanon is explicitly disallowed

>>7860981
I mean what’s the point of huge sub numbers when it won’t translate to loyalty.

>>7860930
What's the point in getting a shield you didn't earn for being a good streamer and only because you're working for a fucking meme company that got popular through algorithms and not their own merit?

>>7860881
Well then, didn't know that. Thought she might be doing a Towa who didn't really promote the live.
Oh well, then breaking 50 k will be a struggle at this point.

>>7860990
compare her normal numbers to the lowest nijis numbers, go on

>>7860994
Still better than Nene even without having half as many subs, but that's just because gen 5 is hilariously unpopular for a hololive gen

>>7860069
Whoops, I guess it's actually the opposite.

>>7861005
Legendary cope.

>>7860733
Interesting that you pick literally the handful of Nijis that got above 100k for their 3D debuts and ignored the dozen that have debuted in between that failed to break 80k.

Also, your examples aren't as great as you think they are. Do you really think 50% of Fuwa, Kagami, Ib, and Debi's subs showed up for their 3D debuts? No, like most big event streams, many are tourists who came to have a look at the spectacle. The fact they had so many eyeballs on them and are still under or around 400k subs now meant many of the people who watched those streams felt they weren't subbing to after watching it.

>>7860930
reminder that jun has 900k, stylishnoob 600k, and jasper 150k
japs do not sub
80% of holoshit subscribers are redditor tourists

>>7861005
Ok, now you just sound like them 2view

>>7861029
Ok. But first you're going to acknowledge that the "toursits only watch big streams and don't return to normal streams" is not Niji exclusive.

>>7861038
Kek

>>7860986
4chan X has a thing that will mark new IPs when it refreshes

>>7860990
I guess it's more accurate to say their 3D debut numbers will be more out of line with what they usually manage. Holo does their best to funnel tourists to streams like this but they're usually less of an outlier in relative terms

>>7860930
>imagine not having a single YT gold shield
>>7860965
>That’s actually pretty good to be honest,
OK, that settles it.

#1 prize for “DEEPEST COPE” of the week goes to this anon
>a smaller number is better because it makes it easier to count accurately

>>7861045
Or most of the people who came to watch them are already subbed since they aren't pushed by the algorithm like hololive, which gets dead subs from tourists who'll never watch a single stream

>>7860998
Check the VOD views bud. Fuwa's is nearly double that stream despite having the same amount of CCV and duration.

>>7861057
Niggersanji cope

>>7861057
>japs do not sub
that fag who recently decided to become a vtuber got 10M subs, lol

>>7861057
Cope more nijifag

>>7861097
seethe holoredditor

>>7860805
I'm not confident enough with debuts to say where they fall. Holo EN debuts were all long ago passed by even some normal streams. Holo ID 2 and Niji EN debuts are their biggest streams to date. We'll see in a few days if ID2 outfits pass the debut numbers.

>>7861045
Doesn't this beg the question, where are these "tourists" for Holo 3Ds? Holo's are know to have global reach, opposed to Niji's being relegated to regional popularity. Or do Niji's somehow receive an overwhelming amount of tourists, but holo's don't despite having a wider wing? Why is this the case? Is this not a problem?

>>7861090
So you unironically think 50% of their subcount showed up to watch their 3D debut? Oh you naive child.

>>7861120
Children subs to everything they watch, lol

>>7861068
it's certainly stronger in niji, when there's a big event everyone will gather around it
that's not as strong in holo, and I'd wager a guess that it's because people are too invested in particular chuubas and not the company in general like in niji

>>7861124
Cope harder nijishitter

>>7861120
He's literally a legend that's more popular than nijisanji and hololive combined, of course he'll have more subs

>>7861076
Like Marine's recent over 100k celebrations? Is that close to her usual numbers?

>>7861091
Fucking chumbuds always bringing VO-
>wait, Fuwafags?
That’s it, this thread is taking M Night Shalaman turns now

>>7860810
If that's all you care about, look at the picture with the numbers on it, smile or frown, then fuck off? Other people are interested in the whys of how these things break out.

Redpill me on Akabane
Why is she so pathetic compared to the rest of the ex-Nijisanji Gamers?

>>7861150
nah its much easier
reddit eops do not watch livestreams
they come in for a second, leave a like, and then go back to farming karma

Nene is just doing the same live she did last time, basically. That alone would be hard for numbers , but she also has zero guests.

>>7861177
It's not a cope unlike chumbabs because you're comparing the numbers of the pre-December slash stream with a post-slash one. Everyone on the Niji and Holo side lost at least 30-50% of their viewers after that.

>>7861090
No one watches Banego anymore, most of these viewers don't show up to her streams, even when she brings on Gilzaren no one cares
But a 3D debut is like a show so general Nijifans show up, not all her watchers.

>>7861005
>Good streamers
>Nijisanji
Interesting cope

>>7861188
>Other people are interested in the whys of how these things break out
Except those people have zero proof for the "whys of how", you moron. Do you see any sort of analysis that doesn't go beyond baseless conjecture and shit flinging? Fucking idiot.

>>7861210
It's basically a 3D karaoke stream with dancing.

>>7861161
Yes. Marine usually gets 30-40k, so her recent 3D peaked at about 2.6x her usual numbers. This Niji 3D debut has about 40x Akabane's usual numbers.

>>7861144
You saw the maximum size of Hololive's tourists with Coco's graduation. Also, global reach doesn't mean as much for livestreams since normal people in NA are not going to be watching a stream at 4am PST/7am EST and fuck up their sleep schedule. Nijisanji's reach within Japan is impressive no doubt, but we already knew that with Koshien.

>>7861150
Niji is known for saturating their own market with a ton of streamers. They value quantity over quality.
How does a fanbase would invest and converge over such a company, especially when Holo promotes the opposite virtue?

>>7861068
I never said it was niji exclusive. Which is why i said compare. If you are being honest you will notice its much more of an issue with nijisanji.

>>7861210
Pretty much. She has 45k right now watching her even without guests. Akabane has 60k because it's tourists watch hopeful to see Kanae in 3D

>>7861289
just like her absolutely pathetic and uninventive 3d debut then?
good thing now fps is three times higher

>>7861194
she doesn't stream as much because her real life stuff keeps her busier.

still gets 150k for some reason.

also gets 3D, meanwhile peeps with higher numbers don't have them yet.

>>7861194
She doesn't stream very much.

>>7861209
you're not wrong, but holos have proved that they can pull huge numbers so there's something else at play

>>7861194
She doesn't stream
She's mostly a relic of 2018

>>7861302
What about Roboco?

>Holo numbers are heavily influenced by foreign followings compared to Nijis
>Idol performances filter foreigners
It's pretty clear-cut. Did people not notice the significant dips in viewcount during Miko's comeback live whenever she started singing, and it going back up again when the songs ended? Casual westerners like the memeshit and vidya, not idol shit.

>>7861250
imagine think CGDCT = good streamer
absolute state of holoredditor

>>7861265
Go make a graph then. Or fuck off.

>>7861302
>Marine usually gets 30-40k
Is that even a thing? Almost all of her recent streams are buffs.

>>7861305
So holo tourists only gather when major drama happens, but not for other occasions?

>>7861194
one of the lowest stream rate in not just gamers but entire niji

>>7861306
It's been said over and over again that when you forcefully acquire fans like hololive does, you don't build a proper vtubing culture, just shallow tourists that cycle in and out. You're seeing the fruits of Nijisanji's slow but successful approach in creating an actual, tight-knit vtubing culture that is going mainstream.

>>7861349
Also there ain't a ton of them awake and watching Youtube at 8 am.

>>7861394
Anything Marine is a buff anon.

>>7861306
>They value quantity over quality.
>implying that Holo like quality over quantity when Gen5 and HoloEN exist

literally hasn't watched a single Niji stream in your life, holoredditor.

>>7860046
JINXED

>>7861420
That too, I suppose.

>>7861400
90k people were watching Marine just the other day. Are you coping because Holos got the baseball gig?

>>7861210
I'm a bit baffled honestly that it's basically a continuation of her sololive, but I guess Nene likes to sing and dance alone. Even Akabane had more guests than her tonight and she's a forgotten Niji LMFAO.

>>7861306
quality? in post 2020 summer holo? LOL

>>7861411
I agree, niji has succesfully build a cuture of corporate bootlicking and canceling each other livers.

>>7861423
No I mean literally. People have already talked here about how she's mostly doing celebration streams lately. Not sure if you can gauge average from that.

>>7861348
Averages 2.5k, recent 3D got ~40k, so 16x. One of the biggest gaps you could cherrypick for hololive and it's still less than half the increase.

>>7861394
Even if you used her 20k average from a few months ago it'd still only be a 5x increase.

>>7859386
how often do nijiENs make this list? first time for selen?

>>7861411
LOL. Maybe that's why JP sponsors are choosing Hololive over Nijisanji. They are so mainstream noone bothers to actually pay them except for mobile shitty games

>>7861400
Not just Holo but all tourists (including non-vtuber)

>>7861471
Only facts in here, not your headcanon holobrony

>>7861411
Except their biggest streamers keep quitting and it's all dudes now? I mean, good for them, if that's what they gotta do to make money, but in the context of stuff people on this board actually care about, it's sort of whatever? People post more about the Niji males here than they do on the actual thread for talking about their streams.

>>7861411
They hate him because he told the truth

>>7861471
This but cover. Holo drones exist for a reason

>>7861471
imagine saying yagoo best girl
pathetic holonigger deserves a rope

SEA hours...

>>7861411
Are you serious in saying nijisanji is creating tight vtuber culture that the most tight that fucking hilarious. Most people check on niji 3d debut and then we never hear from them again. I mean they have over 100 member but only 20 are well known and two of the most popular one's graduated. This is not counting that nijisanji pump out talents like crazy so much for slow approach.

>>7861411
>forcefully acquire fans
What the hell is that mean?

>>7861482
Pomu showed up a couple times, I think for her God Knows stream and her going away stream. Probably will hit it with the return too.

>>7860046
Welp that didn't age well

>>7861529
SEA hours yes...

>>7861442
I was wondering where the "tourist" rhetoric was, or why it only gets brought up in a certain context. The baseball gig is meh, the league is known to be collabfags anyway

>>7861400
well, actually, yes
it was very apparent in haachama's comeback stream
once she made it clear shes not gonna graduate, her views dropped from 60k to 20k in like 20 mins

>>7860881
Oh now I feel retarded for even thinking it'll be a contest. We already know solo-Nene is capped at 49k.

>>7861535
Yeah, they're tight because they all come together to check out big events compared to hololive which won't even bother to show up. The numbers are showing the advantage of Nijisanji's culture very clearly.

>>7861425
I'll give you HoloEN but how is Gen5 not a quality gen? The only one that leaves to be desired is Polka because she doesn't bring the SCs like Lamy, isn't a number powerhouse like Botan, and doesn't have any talent as an idol like Nene.
She can sing but so can half of the holos.

There is so much shit bait flying around in this thread currently that I'm starting to wonder if this whole thread is just one big self post by a top tier retard.

>H-hololive got baseball
Nijiniggers got that shit last year

>b-but muh sponsors
Both niji and holo get equal amount of sponsers with holo having a slight edge of sponserships on the English market.

Why are holobronies retarded? I love both companies but hate both fanbases. Where do I fall into

>>7861411
Seconding >>7861545, I would actually like to know what you mean. Fan created content, subtitled clips and the YT algorithm is "forceful"?

>>7861559
muh cope. They collabed with Niji before when they were still the hype. Not anymore

>>7861411
>fruits of Niji culture
You mean Gibara leaving, Lulu stalker and Roa autism

>>7861568
Or maybe the reason for the big number in big events is tourists?

>>7861569
All of them are getting mogged consistently by EN and every other gen except gen 1, and gen 1 doesn't have the advantage of debuting when hololive EOP hype was at its peak.

>>7861569
>>7861535
Why do you guys keep biting bait?

>>7861569
Nene's idol talent didn't help her that much today.

>>7861573
Congratulations, you're a shitposter.

>>7861572
I miss whn the thread was purely about cold, hard numbers. Now it is only a schizo baiting battlefield between holofags and holofags pretending to be nijifags to get (you)s

>>7861573
Who are you even talking to? You're 6 hours late if you're catching up on baseball news.

47k for a pure solo isn't bad.

>>7861573
>Last year
>When Niji still had a semblance of popularity in Japan
Cope more. What major sponsorships do they still have?

>>7861573
There is nothing equal right now between all the high ticket sponsorships that Hololive is getting that Niji aren't getting anymore. The fact remains companies are choosing the more relevant group over the other. HoloEN are peanuts compared to what HoloJP are getting as sponsorships

how did the Niji do sc wise? they usualy get decent gains for events

>>7861569
friday evening
no other holos streaming
720k subs
reddit shilling
idol dancer + singer buff
anniversary buff

>45k

quality gen by the way

>>7861652
SEA hours

>>7861652
>Thread themed around competitive values between perceived rival parties
>It breaks down into shitflinging and nonsense
Many such examples.

>>7861568
If nijisanji so tight then how come there was a fucker streaming over lulu graduation. Plus Hololive does the same thing with marine stream yesterday which got numbers.

>2021
Kanda Shoichi 02/12 49,644 ¥2,912,489
Emma August 03/12 39,181 ¥1,241,889
Yuhi Riri 03/19 46,515 ¥2,036,826
Moria 03/27 27,859 ¥725,590
Fumino Tamaki 04/09 50,470 ¥2,511,839
Aiba Uiha 04/17 66,920 ¥2,225,236
Ratna Petit 05/09 48,915 ¥2,453,501
Aizono Manami 05/14 46,539 ¥1,241,597
Amamiya Kokoro 05/28 73,118 ¥2,838,543
Fuwa Minato 06/04 144,128 ¥17,815,097
Tomoe Shirayuki 06/25 74,092 ¥14,682,563
Ibrahim 07/02 117,475 ¥15,956,288
Mashiro 07/10 74,574 ¥2,103,966
Levi Elipha 07/16 55,953 ¥3,204,875
Machita Chima 07/21 74,554 ¥3,885,359
Akabane Youko 08/13 65,916 ¥1,173,173 - NEW

Risu stealing viewers again...

>>7861613
This whole thread is swarming with bait, it's impossible not to.

Like here:
>>7861685
So we're just making up buffs as we go?

New single from Nene as well. Does someone have a count over how many releases there has been of covers and originals this last month? It feels very saturated.

>>7861573
>posting in /#/
You're a retard, so did i

>>7861661
It's basically what Matsuri got for her Bday 3D live with gen 1 as guests. Nene peaked at 49k the last time she had a sololive, so it's pretty good retention for essentially doing the same thing she did a few months ago.

My mistake was thinking she would have guests this time, since guests always bring a boost and we've been bombarded with guest-filled 3Ds lately. If Nene was doing a sololive, it was very unlikely she'll beat any Niji 3D debut. Most Niji 3D debuts have lots of guests afterall.

another nail in holoreddit coffin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRltciAXgi4

>>7861771
>It's basically what Matsuri got for her Bday 3D live with gen 1 as guests
She had the cardboard Haachama buff.

Not even kidding, that drama boosted her peak by some 10k

>>7860790
I have this

>>7861697
Don't pretend cumbabies don't go in here to defend Gura's declining numbers every time she stream on US primetime.

>>7861809
Both Haachama and Matsuri should've featured in Nene's event in cardboard form. She probably would've topped Niji numbers.

>>7861810
4 months interval tho

Did gen 5 need more time? Is a day or 2 notice for a 3d too short? Or are these streams all doomed? I hate to say it, Lamy and Nenes stream were just not exciting enough to get big numbers. Nene proper solo 47k is not terrible i guess, a valiant effort. Will Botan have any luck? She has a guest at least.

Are holobronie retarded and decided to delete the fact that nijiniggers got a sponserships collab with one of the biggest clothing brands in Japan?

Why is there an increase in retardation from both sides? From nijijiggers numberfagging fucking fanart to holobronies not knowing how niji work and coping about how nijiniggers built a culture around normal cancer

>>7861949
None of the gen 5 are going to post impressive numbers, they're not a popular gen despite what some schizo fans would like to make you think

>>7861955
3Ds for both nene and akabane started at the same time so tribalism is at its peak today

>>7861955
We love shitposting okay?

threads go to shit when it gets full of ESLs, who could have guessed

>>7861720
It appears we underestimated Akabane quite a bit actually.
>Akabane Youko 08/13 65,916
beats
> Kanda Shoichi 02/12 49,644
> Fumino Tamaki 04/09 50,470
> Ratna Petit 05/09 48,915
> Levi Elipha 07/16 55,953

and almost beats
> Aiba Uiha 04/17 66,920

All of which have a stronger presence than her in Nijisanji.

>Moria 03/27 27,859 ¥725,590
Yikes this is just sad

>>7861535
He mean less DD/bandwagoner and tighter bond with the streamer not the brand. Thats probably one of reason why some oldfag in niji sit on top/last longer on top. Well people like hajime & moira also exist but thats because for different reason. In niji overtaking prev gen is not easy, they only start do that when sanbaka debuted.

>Tanigo will throw the first pitch
Let’s numberfag that:

>will he hit the zone or spike it
>if he hits, what speed?

Also, will he fuck up like this chick?
https://youtu.be/dWt5Y31zAAw

>>7861823
ogey retard

>>7862095
it's likely the guests, she held around 50k for a good while until they appeared

>>7861482
I think all of them have been on it when they got monetized, so second time for Selen. Elira has been on it maybe 3-4 times and Pomu maybe 6 times or so

>>7862014
The only real popular gen is thirds gen any other can't compare. That way Nijisanji is better they give everybody equal opportunity.

>>7861823
neck yourself immediately

>>7861955
Ignore the bad posts, engage with the good ones. Sometimes you have to wait a while for a good post though.

>>7862184
>Nijisanji gives everybody equal opportunity.

>>7862227
When do they not?

>>7862227
If hajime of all fucking people can get 3D then yes

>>7861810
>Ina above Mori and Kiara by that margin
Huh, interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gE4VLNSN1E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr0YCWq8uTc
>that VOD view difference despite the Nijisanji girl having more viewers.
Explain?

>>7862227
holostars

>>7862227
STOP LAUGHING! At very least it is GUARANTEED they all get the same monthly salary

>>7862105
>Old man throwing
It will be short and roll to the catcher

>>7862283
Susan love!

>>7862184
your post makes zero sense
also mel, roboco, aki and luna keep appearing in sponsored collabs despite barely beating lower end nijis in numbers

>>7862283
>46k viewers
>170k views
>55k+ viewers
>46k views
I get the former (viewers come and go, but 30 seconds of watching still contributes 1 view), how was it possible for the latter?

>>7862283
EOPs who missed out checking the stream out, proof? Check her comment section

Ogey 1 more till thread kill

>>7862283
interesting stream gets dedicated viewers nene boring garbage attracts too much redditor tourists with sub 1 minute attention span

>>7862283
The Nijisanji VODs haven't fully updated yet, newfag, it's a bug that happens with Youtube from time to time.

>>7862310
>barely beating lower end nijis
Lower end nijis pick 3 digits CCV.

>>7861949
The holo fanbase has a large overlap between talents. The events are way too close together for these fans to maintain excitement over.

The tight schedule also shows in lesser production quality of these events, such as being mostly solo. The talents don't have much incentive to invest either, since there's little resources being poured into it anyway, and they don't have much to gain from putting in effort. Sacrificing stream time doesn't make sense when they make significantly more abiding to scheduled streams. Hence, the quality being "just enough".

It's a vicious spiral. The status quo of their streams are too successful for them to venture investing effort into occasional events.

>>7862310
So does lower tier nijis though

>>7862096
Not the same Anon so your saying that nijisanji does nothing to help new people out and your more likely to fail. While Hololive operates as team the old gen builds roads in order to help the new people run. Hololive is basically one for all and nijisanji is all for one. Hololive helps build up the people behind them while nijisanji takes it all up for the top streamer and the rest struggle.

>>7862310
lower end nijis dont get 1k

>>7862184
Your two statements don't even make sense next to each other. Take your meds or take some english lessons because your ESL is showing.

>>7862269
Hajime is one of the original 8. Even if his numbers are ass, he has seniority. Everyone who gets 100k subs get 3D anyways.

>>7862227
Moira get 3D tho. Sorry maybe she too insignificant for you to notice, but yeah niji still support her.

>>7862184
first, not all of gen 3 are impressive. Second ,Aqua can compare to the top. miko can compare. gen4 rely alot on guests to really compare but they can pull sometimes too. Even Luna got more for her 3d debut than a bunch of the nijisanjis did too. Hololive doesn't have it that bad.

>>7862283
Notto Disu Shitto Agen

>>7862358
>Hololive helps build up the people behind them while nijisanji takes it all up for the top streamer and the rest struggle.

>laughs in choco, aki, roboco, matsuri and holostars

>>7862321
people like to pretend spamviewers filtering doesn't exist

>>7862358
Yeah Holo is one big family with no documented precedent of backstage drama of kicking under the table

>>7862325
Are you okay? You're not making any sense. These are numbers right after the stream ended.

>>7862358
holostars

The absolute state of nijibots

I'm gonna speedrun minecraft hardcore until the shitposts are over. Give me your predictions on how much I'll last.

Imagine bitching over 3D lives when the most kino stream right now is Marine hanging with ZUN and BeatMario, a stream with sub-4K views and isn't even on YT.

>>7862400
>holostars
>all of them getting 3D and summer outfits
You'd have more of a leg to stand on if Niji has been giving out 3D to all of their streamers regardless of performance.

>>7862400
Wut? If you look at the line up of the baseball thing even Aki is there.

>>7862430
Stream with 2D anime avatar first then you'll be on topic for us.

>>7862430
>Give me your predictions on how much I'll last
the whole weekend, unless one or two IPs suddenly disappear

>>7862449
Pfft after 2 years of being treated like an afterthought they better be ramping up their shit

>>7862451
Where are Holostars tho?

>>7862478
>2 years of being treated like an afterthought
>have still been given sponsorships all through 2020 and 2021
That's right baby, keep moving those goalposts.

>>7862449
Actually the 100k cutting point will be met by all holostars by then
>which I assume to be true for all Nijisanji talents too
So that’s a moot point, I guess