/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

Sakuyui concert was fucking great.

>>8017834
full list from last thread

>>8017834
Good thing Ollie of all people won the day, or retards would be all over Polka's numbers

>HOW DO WE SAVE THE WHITE HOUSE LADS?
Steep recline since they changed the voice actor

Also
>That suspiciously similar shark hoodied kid on Cocomelon

Weekly superchats

>>8018005
Yabe, graduation when?

>>8017996
Polka genuinely doesn’t seem to give a shit. She has a lot of non Hololive related stuff going on it seems.

>>8018163
It's just 4ch antis and people who don't live in the US

>>8018163
>>8018203
You guys are just salty because some indies beat the big corp for a couple of days.
>inb4 they’re getting CCP money
(well, they are but that’s beyond the point)

>>8018005
GURA KILLER

>Haachama nendo about to enter pre order
High quality and full of details. It’s a pity there aren’t public available numbers on the sales of these items

>>8018134
Lots of special events for each one except for Lauren who did nothing but Apex for hours and hours. Someone stop this madman, when does the debut buff end?

Guys why was he late to the stream
https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1427285626429353987

>>8018482
Lauren is just weird everytime I come to his stream someone is dropping an akasupa and he doesn't even say the arigato gozaimasssssss like kuzuha.

>>8018392
Will it sell out as fast as Gura and Marine or will it be available throughout the whole preorder period like Aqua and Matsuri?

>>8018547
He’s waiting for Cocomelon to finish so he doesn’t get mogged

>>8018576
>and he doesn't even say the arigato gozaimasssssss
I think there is a problem with whatever way the talent gets access to supercharger on YouTube dashboard. Heard Gura and Haachama commenting about it recently, with Gura even signaling she’s up to install streamlabs (whatever that is)

>>8018576
I saw a comment in a thread wondering why people dump their wallets on him if he isn't even doing BFE or whatever but he apparently will sing or do little acting skits and he gets a shit ton of clips ( https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AC%E3%83%B3%E3%82%A4%E3%83%AD%E3%82%A2%E3%82%B9 ) so people are obviously finding something they like with him.

Holy shit, Cocomelon's stats destroy Gura's. No excuses here because they both have the same audience.

>>8018830
LMAO, the roast!

>>8018684
>Gura even signaling she’s up to install streamlabs
Wait is this up to the chuuba? I thought they couldn't. Why would they not have it? More of the dono goes to the vtuber

>>8018830
>peak: 54k
Sorry anon, they’re at most on Ollies level

>>8018830
>6 livestreams in 15 years
She's definitely graduating soon. She just doesn't care.

>>8018906
>Wait is this up to the chuuba
I think streamlabs can be used somehow in connection with YouTube superchat API to display those cute overlays and doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll get other sources of donation outside of SC.

It would be a huge step in the direction tho

>Haachama speedrunning into getting herself in trouble again
https://youtu.be/LOAHOG0cg_w

With that said YouTube is betting their farm on these “shorts” thingies because TikTok is taking a whole generation out of their grip.
Even with a low view count any person clicking these shorts IMMEDIATELY gets recommended more content from the same creator and similar content, a poor’s man “for you” like TikTok has.

This has potential to be the new community post “hack”, great for numbers for those who figure it out early on

>>8017834
Nijisanji went from 250k viewers to 38k viewers. That's like an 80% drop in one day, why are they reclining so hard? Bankruptcy soon?

>>8019444
Yes, they're now prostituting their chuubas to recuperate their losses, I saw Rion behind the konbini sucking dick for extra viewbots

>>8019518
Yes. You have no idea how many akasupas it costed me but it was worth it.

>>8019193
Incidentally, she’s doing it 100% for numberfagging purposes
>はあちゃまの8月目標130万人突破が程遠く感じだけど、毎日わけの分からない動画を上げ続けることを決めた!
>目指せ130万人突破!応援よろしく!
https://twitter.com/akaihaato/status/1427369018617319433

>>8019781
Learning to beat the system by being a whore for numbers. Good girl.

>>8019970
>Learning to beat the system by being a whore for numbers
And that’s a good thing!

>>8019193
She literally got stream banned twice in 2 days, think she already holds the record.

>>8020211
Mel got banned twice times in the same frame.
https://youtu.be/2aM2QDvZJZQ
People don’t know why Cover is such a strictler with bikinis and cleavage because they weren’t around when this was happening to the girls.

Haachama didn’t even get banned today (as the archive is up), she likely glitched out of her stream

>>8020280
>two times
>twice
Pick one

With Koshien ending, now most of the top 10 highest CCV for vtubers is made by Nijisanji, with Hololive in the lead with Coco graduation
21/07/01 491,342 Coco Graduation stream
21/08/15 205,790 Nijisanji Koshien Finals 2021
21/05/07 194,140 Gura Costume reveal
20/08/16 191,449 Nijisanji Koshien Finals 2020
21/06/30 184,653 Lulu Graduation stream
21/08/14 171,018 Nijisanji Koshien League B 2021
20/08/14 152,771 Nijisanji Koshien League A 2020
21/08/13 147,639 Nijisanji Koshien League A 2021
20/10/21 145,305 Miko 3D Return stream
21/06/04 143,270 Fuwa 3D debut

>>8020330
Goes to show how big the industry grew, not a single pre august 2020 and my bet is that by august 2022 there won’t be any in this list older that Coco graduation

>>8020451
>how big the industry grew
did it, though? The only thing that keeps growing is the tourist attractions from the two biggest companies. Meanwhile, indies eat shit, and even the big companies` regular every-day stream numbers haven`t really went up - and get ready for the steep dive once summer vacations end.

Men of numbers, I must consult thee. Are there any past trends that give credit to the idea that the debut of Holo EN Gen 2 will boost numbers across the board for Holomyth?

>>8020803
I can't find it at the moment but an anon compiled the average live views for the two companies and it's been inclining ever since the beginning.

>>8020809
ID2 did help boosting ID1 for a while, but they are pretty small in comparison, so not-so-great numbers were a huge deal for their size.

>>8020330
All powered by Pomu.

>>8020803
Nijisanji and Hololive are far ahead of any other. Despite the shitposting in here, both are the only ones that are able to surpass 100k or 50k between all the agencies.

>>8020803
>Meanwhile, indies eat shit,
Tell that to Shibuya Hal’s face. Shitty indies eat shit while he feasts like a King for one and only one reason
>he doesn’t give a fuck about who is who, he wants to create some entertainment and he created the connections to make it possible
Today, for a certain time slot, 24 out of the 28 most watched streams were his championship, something any retard could organize but not anyone either tries or have the talent to actually pull off.

Indies that think they can grow big playing FOTM, doing ASMR and “having lots of creative freedom” will continue eating shit because they don’t have the name recognition and the box pushing power to grow their numbers.
Those who think outside the box tho have a fighting chance to eat in the big table

(All of that said in a pure numerical perspective tho, every once in a while I watch 2 digits chuubas that are super talented, cute and heartwarming. They’ll never get big and thank God for that, as it would ruin them)

>>8020971

>>8021093
lol Shibuya Hal is an ex-corpo who still got a lot of staff and sponsors behind him, he is no indie.

>>8021179
>it doesn't count
Hal is literally a self made success no company is propping him up.

>>8021139
I meant between agencies. Individuals like Hal and Ui can reach that of course

>>8021179
>anyone I don’t like isn’t an indie
Also
>if he is successful enough to employ people he’s not an indie
That mentality is what holds a whole lot of indies back.

>if I work really hard and have lots of talent I’ll succeed by myself
Here is my #1 advice for anyone trying to do ANYTHING at all, in pretty much any line of business. As soon as you secure a money flow here is your first expense
>hire a good accountant
He’ll pay for himself.

Here is #2
>hire a manager to take care of your business side while you create
Creative people are shitty business managers. Techies likewise, that’s why most startups have one founder and one tech founder.
A good manager will also pay for itself.

The thing is: if you starting calling indies only the people that didn’t do these two things you are pretty much just saying
> indies = losers
Because it’s very hard to succeed without the right pieces in the board

>>8021348
>indie
>has the staff that would make up a small company behind him
>has to abide to the bs his sponsors say
so basically a corpo with extra steps lol

>>8020809
Not sure. Holomyth was the one that boosted Hololive as a whole to 200% overdrive. Holocouncil can boost myth or ID 2 too, but it all depends if they can synergize with EN 1 or grow solo like Gura. All they need is one popular person in the group for everyone to rise up. Stick to a niche and a timeslot. Don't be like Irys. Be like Ina, but more so, stricter like Pekora.

>>8020880
ID2 was a success, but they can't boost a gen that's unwilling to put the time and effort for the career except for Moona. Iofi and Risu actively debuffs themselves.

>>8021457
TRADE ALERT
>you receive monetary compensation
>I receive a portion of your time
DEAL?

That’s what being an adult and treating streaming as a job looks like.
Streamers aren’t there to be your friends and entertain you for free, they’re there to earn a living.
It just so happen they can do that while doing, for the most part, what they like but if you will hold every indie to the standard of
>must do it for the art foregoing monetary compensation
you’re nothing thinking of streamers.
Your thinking on jannies

>>8021557
Irys is doing fine. Ina also struggled with her numbers when she went autistic with her game choices like yesterday. People want to watch her do more Karaoke. That will always be her highlight. She's also sticking to her timeslot at 12PM JST and only pushes at primetime JST when she has work apparently.

>>8020809
What >>8021608 said, but for EN1 too. Calli does fine by having a constant musical output going.
Ina likewise, but with her streaming schedule consistency.

Ame and Gura are being carried forward purely by momentum because both most definitely aren’t in the zone to be highly productive.
>and Kiara is just cursed because God knows she tries hard

>>8021623
Good thing you don`t even try to call him an indie anymore. He can earn his money there`s no problem with that, but calling him an indie is just retarded, since he has all the characteristics of a corpo.

>>8021557
>Don't be like Irys
One month in and Irys has the highest number of streams for EN for August.
She’s doing fine and people will see that when the debut buff wears out

>>8021709
He is pretty much a small business at this point but is still independent. Much like Noripro but only has himself.

>>8021709
>since he has all the characteristics of a corpo.
OK, I’ll cut this conversation here as I can ensure everyone in this thread is dumber for having read it

>>8021709
Until he creates a company or gets hired by one, he is an indie. No one gives a shit about your hair splitting.

>>8021557
Why do people keep saying that when it was disproven so many times?
No it wasn't, April-May is when Hololive went into overdrive, by September it only got a 20% boost extra boost.
Genuinely PekoMoona Minecraft was a bigger boost for Hololive as a whole than HoloMyth.

>>8018392
Its even got the talantula. This is pretty fucking cool!! Now if only it came with some pepeloni....

>>8021709
I don`t know why some anon is so angry for you stating the obvious. Does he have a boner for Hal "achieving things all by himself", so that he can one day do the same? When he hasn`t? kek

Question for the old number fans then.
Before Coco's 3D debut in July, was there any other Vtuber stream that reached 100k on Youtube?

I know that Mito got 500 billion somethings on NicoNico once, that's why I'm asking about the main platform, YT

>>8021942
Sorry anon, I sell my time for a big corpo for monetary compensation. We can’t all be starving artists creating masterpieces the world will never see

>>8021942
>>8021709
Your perception of an indie is retarded. He is self-employed that hires other poeple to help him do menial stuff for him so that he can make more money. Him taking on sponsors isn't a sign of him not being a corpo. It only means his presence is prominent enough as an indie to warrant a partnership

>>8021919
I think that in september the boost was still there, EN1 just took most of the boost for itself, reducing JPs participation on it

>>8021748
Her numbers are fine. I meant her irregular schedules and game choices. She plays games that is obviously popular for people, but isn't skilled enough to make it entertaining. There's a lot of people speculating that she'd be good in fps the first week like Suisei with Tetris, but she's really bad. Few weeks in, she played Henry, Minecraft, doom, apex etc most popular games only to be bad at most of it. If an EN 2 member is here, the only piece of advice I could give is play a game outside of buff games and make a long story out from it. Be yourself and immerse intl the game. Clips and funny moments comes naturally. Best example is Gura got viral from outlast and muse dash. Ame with outer wilds. Ina with Half life. Worst example, Kiara playing debuff JRPGs.

>>8020330
>Miko still has the most viewed 3D stream
ELITE!!

I only expect this to be passed by Gura's 3D debut and honestly, who knows when the hell that is going to happen.

>>8022062
Nah, their logic is pristine

>indies can’t succeed in this industry
>here is an indie that did succeed
>no, no, no, no, he avoided the errors that prevents indies from succeeding (got staff, established partnerships) and succeeded like that, hence he possesses characteristics of a corpo and can’t be an indie

In short
>Indies never succeed. He succeeded, hence, he’s not an indie

About Holo 3D, till En's drop.
Would Moona's 3D be able to reach 100k? Even break 90?

>>8022166
Did you just watch her second week or something? She's doing fine in subnautica, that horror game, plug and play, MC is great too, and Apex should be collab game since she is quite a brat in that game. You don't watch a holo apex for gameplay, you watch it for the banter. She is the only person in MC besides Gura and Kiara that is autistic enough to actually play the game like an autist from the ground up. Her subnautica stream is just pure autist.

>>8022012
No, Coco was the first, and NND uses cumalative views rather than concurrent so we have no idea how many people were watching Mito's Human Centipede watchalong at any one time
>>8022189
Coco's graduation was 3D anonchama...

>>8022012
It's live of an all Vtuber group where the performers are just silhouettes the whole time... so, dunno?
https://playboard.co/en/video/TuzsrNnh91c

>>8022333
None of gen 5 made 100k so there's no chance of an indog doing it

>>8022333
>Would Moona's 3D be able to reach 100k?
Ollie broke 50k with a normal ass outfit reveal.

Moona will be in JP for her 3D, and likely that will double as her first off collab with Pekora (and orher Usaken, likely)
I wouldn’t be surprised with 100k

>>8022337
I honestly want Botan to invite Irys and other noobs to play COD zombie. It's going to be a blast

>>8022333
is this thumbnail fanmade or did she just announce something?
and i`d say 70-80k range, with great guests and hyping

>>8022333
With Pekora as a guest? Yeah, there's a good shot I'd say.

>>8022419
It will hit 100k if she invites Subaru, Miko and Pekora to the stream. If it's just her then it will be 50-60k

>>8022333
She'll have to hint at Pekora being there. Without her it'll hover at 80K I think. First non JP 3D should get traction.

>>8022433
fanmade for a clip from a few months ago, about them announcing that they will have 3D debuts, some time this year.

>>8022425
Caught parts of her stream today in the collab and, along with the fun they were having
>DAAAAAAAMN HER HANDS ARE STEADY AND HER EYES SHARP
She doesn’t even try hard, she’s bantering with the girls but shooting better than anyone

>>8022490
>Subaru, Miko, and Pekora
>Miko and Pekora
Moona is going to be the force that gets PekoMiko back together again. Bless that indog.

>>8022166
Your advice is pretty fucking garbage. It basically boils down to "play games that you like, except if they're debuffs" which is literally no different from just playing buff games like Irys has been doing

>>8022490
>Subaru, Miko and Pekora
That’s an odd mix, I doubt she could get the three together. Miko isn’t showing up in these 3D lately as a guest, is she?

>>8022490
I don't think she'll have outside guests for a 3D debut, at most her own gen

>>8022564
Miko was a guest in Marine's 3D concert as well as her 3D variety show.

>>8021942
Why are you replying to yourself.

>>8022584
Wut? At very least inviting the girls (like Wataoji) to cameraman for her is a tradition.
It will be her first and likely only time in Japan for a good while, if she doesn’t seizes the opportunity then she never will.

>>8022564
Just the 3 she's been collabing a lot recently
but yeah, Moona attracts people like a magnet, but she has no confidence to convince people to come together. If PekoMiko don't want to interact, they won't come.

>>8022619
You’re right! I forgot completely

I guess these are the spoils for today

>>8022630
There's literally no precedent for guests at a debut that wasn't the same generation.

>>8022309
the best example of a true indie making it, all by themselves would probably be Projekt Melody, as she managed to make to big news and pretty good live numbers (on her first month though, then she reclined) all because her chaturbate shenanigans. Although current Melody is not an indie anymore, even though she actually started and owns a portion of VShojo

>>8022584
Since they have to go to Japan for 3D for at least 2 weeks beforehand to prepare and practice, they'll probably stay there for a month and get a joint ID1 extra 3D stream at the end.

>>8022700
eh so what. The IDs need some kind of boost anyways, and they wont have a lot of chances for 3ds.

>>8022189
That was before the CCV cut. Fuwa got more VOD views and way more superchat than that stream. It's impressive for Niji to beat their previous Koshien record considering that as well.

fucking hell

>>8022564
Those are all the girls that Moona do collab with. Miko is more of a MC chat only kind of thing but they do regard each other quite fondly. Iofi will probably have Sora and Watame. Risu will probably have Okakoro. It is very likely that they will have guests on their 3D because it's not like they can do this everyday. Much like how Shien got Roberu. And yes Miko does appear on 3D if invited. She's just not really close with the people that have done 3Ds recently except Marine

>>8023025
I can see Moona getting Pekora, Rushia and Flare, genmates that are hitting off well lately

>>8022960
I told you guys about the shorts. YouTube is giving those away like crack in the ghetto
>first hit is free

>>8023160
Some smaller startup girls use them a lot.

>>8022697
>Subscribing because of a costume reveal

>>8023217
Here is the difference in reach
>140k views on YouTube shorts
>26k views on Twitter

>>8023103
It doesn't work like that. These things are still a personal thing. She's not close with either Flare or Rushia. If Coco was still around then she would have been the obvious choice after Pekora. Now that I think about it, Iofi would probably have Holostars on her Debut

>>8023278
It’s not the costume reveal. For a lot of people it will be a surprise that they stream in and speak English fluently despite being “HoloID”, specially for the EN only audience

Couple more hours before NijiEN gets clowned sub wise

>>8023763
Are debuts today?

>>8023763
this is the numbers thread you fuck
>>8024179
more like members reveal I think ?

The waiting room isn't looking very good. I think the the crypticness of the title is a debuff.

>>8024301
Still more than an hour and a half away, lol.

>>8024383
It usually doesn't increase by more than 10 times at this point. It should be getting at least 50k if the title and thumbnail weren't so cryptic.

>>8024301
They really blew their load with the useless countdowns for the other 2 videos.
Plus, it's a work day
The lore videos themselves were fine but the 12 and 8 hour countdowns were too much buildup for what they actually lead too.

I can't muster any more excitement, will just check the video tomorrow and see if they reveal anything, or if it's just more lore.

>>8024301
calm down it is a premiere for a teaser/trailer, they never did too well, not even HoloMyth`s. They just grow big afterwards like a normal upload.

>>8025056
The HoloMyth premiere produced hundreds of fanart, including R18 well before their actual debut.
Anon's here are basically just excited to see if Chaos is a loli.

>>8025111
>we havent even seen the designs yet
>you are gonna base yourself on fucking /vt/`s response, lol. All you get here is bait.

>>8024301
can it break holoalt's record at 98k ccv?

>17 min to impact

>>8027174
No.

>>8027174
lol no

>>8027174
no, it's a workday weekday. if it was scheduled on a saturday, probably it would break that

what was the final viewership?

>>8029541
Alas, moon-runes.
Please give a summary of numbers of particular note.

>The members’ Twitter and YouTube accounts have been opened and they will at first be tweeting from today, Tuesday, August 17, 2021.
>Their debut streams on YouTube will be in the relay format and occur on Sunday, August 22, 2021 JST.
Some anons deserve a kneeling, they were harping this date from all the way back in July

2nd girl design is such a debuff oh my god
but if irys pulled through, so can she.

>en2 debut 22 August
WE FUCKING CALLED IT NUMBERFRIENDS!

>>8030067
Damn it really is the one free week in August LMAO

>PREDICTIONS ON SUBSCRIBER RELATIVE RANK?
RatGirl will be #1 for sure, and I assume the gal will be last.

>>8030067
OH SHIT they're going for a 1-day relay like myth did oh fuck.
They may space out their debut annis over a week? Who knows, we'll see after how Gen1 handles it.
Also, chaos is a rat. That amuses me to no end.

Today's superchats

>>8030289
The gyaru one? She cute, has Flare potential to fill a niche for jungle fever blokes both “kaigai” and nips

Definitely not expecting HoloEN gen 1 numbers with these designs...

>>8030470
Chaos>Civ>Time>Nature>Space
Or, 3>5>4>1>2

>>8030717
Gyaru is 3D like Miko

>>8030518
>Ayame
kek, her presence in the top lists is good for the numbers and the salt as wel

>>8030834
That Hologra was really good bruh

>>8030730
4/5ths have titties so should be pretty good if the boinboin rigging is solid.

>>8030470
rrat > blue > right one > fauna > gyaru

>>8030760
clock will be second, civ third

>>8030796
Nips failed to understand the thighs trend, she would be a fan favorite if they had made her like this
>pic related

Do you think we will get a collab between Rat-girl and Pekora? Would be interesting numbers.

>>8031477
I can see rat girl and Haachama double teaming for some chaos and despair, opposite to IRyS hope

>>8031477
apex collab pekora, rrat girl, gura imagine the numbers

Rat girl closes the relay, 8PM JST.

>>8030834
>>8030997
She had 17k people watching her read superchats last night. Half of them mentioned her being cute in Hologra's latest ep lol.

>>8030518
Anya...

oh no no no

Only the rrat girl has a good design, the rest look like shit, fuck.

So it’s obvious that she’ll have the biggest numbers

>>8032020
Anya even has SC? Thought indo girls got streamlabs

Pomu's return stream is now at 5.6k. 5k in the first 10 mins. That anon that predicted she was gong to get 1.2k earlier today looking real dumb right now LMAO.
Turns out you can be hyped for HoloEN2 and watch her at the same time.

3 Fate illustrators in the roster. That Fate art director falling in the hole surely helped Cover to find good artists

>>8032152
CHINGA TU MADRE NIMU

>>8032213
Shut up, the gyaru is cute

>>8029902
Sales revenue + 5,811,250,000 yen
Sales expenses - 4,068,825,000 yen
(Cost of goods sold = 2,990,780,000 yen)
Sales profit = 1,742,425,000 yen

>>8032302
They can get SCs from non-indo countries.
Which is why Ollie has such high SC amounts, because she appeals the most to non-indo.
>>8032213
I'll say we wait and see, this is their look with all the bells and whistles, so it'll probably be more pared down for actual streams.

>>8032680
TENIA QUE SER NIMU!

>>8032705
Which company

>>8032691
She looks like a fucking literal who tier indie. Get your eyes fucking checked.

>>8029541
Bad time to post. We're all talking about en 2 right now

>>8032379
return stream + koshien mvp so jops tuning it too.

>>8032705
The pic that anon posted was for Cover.

>>8029541
Oof, they're barely worth more this year than last.

>>8032705
15m? not bad

>>8032705
Cover - profit - HOLY FUCK

>>8032971
Meant for >>8032804

how many subs Irys got in the first day?

Green girl could be Elira twin

>>8030470
This is it for nijiEN, they had decent run

>>8033083
>15M profit

>>8033090
In comparison to Niji's sales profit of $330k. This one is super huge. A reminder that Sony M invested $17M.

>>8033123
235k
I don't think these girls will reach that. They're splitting the attention 5 ways. Seeing their debut time slots I'm thing it will be 75k-85k across the board.

>>8033236
Can we pretend I never posted that? I thought it was 1.7 billion in revenue.

>>8033083
Whats their market cap now? Last year they are worth 27m

>>8033260
You’re underestimating box pushing.

Rat Girl: 20k subs already, 40 minutes in
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgmPnx-EEeOrZSg5Tiw7ZRQ

Sunday is six days from now

>Already 30k subs within in hour

RIP NIJIEN

>>8033485
IRyS got 40k in her first hour.

>>8032705
Those were the numbers for the latest financial year. Just for comparison:

2018 - 2019:
Sales revenue + 136,862,000 yen
Sales expenses - 199,535,000 yen
(Cost of goods sold = 4,941,000 yen)
Sales profit = - 62,683,000 yen (negative)

2019 - 2020:
Sales revenue + 1,479,100,000 yen
Sales expenses - 1,237,130,000 yen
(Cost of goods sold = 627,973,000 yen)
Sales profit = 241,970,000 yen

>>8033423
>market cap
Market cap is how much money the shareholders are in the hole if the company goes down.
Revenue and profit is the true measure of the worth of a company

>>8030470
Rrat> Time = Civilization > Nature > Space

>>8029541
Current assets (the formal definition, look it up) = ¥3,067,349/$27.5m, a 352% increase. Just slightly less than Ichikara in April 2020. Of that, $17.4m is money they have, $10.1m in outstanding sales.

Outstanding Debt/Liabilities = $11.6m. A good sign that they've started spending. Higher than Ichikara's was in April 2020. I wish they would put it more towards dev, but any spending is good.

Capital Stock = $20.5m. Of that, $4.1m were from investments. They basically still have all of the $4.1m. Total profit since creation is $12.2m, up basically 1500%.

Revenue = $53.2m. Expenditure = $37.2m. Cost of goods sold is $27.4m, rest is other expenditures. Profits for the year were $15.9m, but you can get that just by subtracting anyways.

Either way, ball is in Ichikara's court when they drop theirs in 2022.

>>8032705
Cover made 60 million dollars? Damn. I was thinking they made 25 million tops.

>>8033092
15m in cold hard NET PROFIT is certainly a pretty solid number.
Interesting that the cost of the goods sold is 3/4th the sales expenses. Guess that shit isn't cheap to make.

>>8033563
they getting 30k in 1hour is good tough. we jsut 30min after their reveal and youtube channels.
i think they will have 100k-150k before debut

>>8033686
Give me words that my ESL brain could understand.

Is Cover big numbers or smalls numbers when compared to Anykara's report this year?

>>8033563
She just picked up 1.5k between my two posts.

>>8032152
VS girls have reclined a lot this month
>>8033686
impressive they going 10M in profit shatters most expectations.

>>8033686
Lots of their spending has been vanity projects.

>>8033686
>Just slightly less than Ichikara
So even with the en stuff and the international appear they almost caught up to nijisanji in terms of assets?

What the fuck, I though coco mogging everyone would set them apart, maybe it’s due to holostars still being somewhat of a failure

>>8033913
Tribal somewhere nigger and leave nijisanji and hololive out of it. Cover is just miles better than they were last year.

>HELP ME LADS
I have a 300 words essay due to tomorrow but I wasted my time watching the ratgirl announcement and now I’m in a pinch.

Subject is:
> comparative analysis between live streamer average CCV

HELP!

>>8033512
It's going to be 300K pre debut isn't it

>>8033913
They almost closed the gap which is actually pretty fucking sad considering they got 3 branches that has high numbers. This doesn’t make sense

Numbers soon?

>>8034302
You really underestimate how far ahead Nijisanji was before Gen 3

>>8034413
Yeah, imagine getting close to catch up on revenue with a third of the productive workforce (the streamers). They should be embarrassed.

>>8034302
Coco's SCs are nothing more than a large drop in the bucket after Youtube and her take their share. At any rate this only goes up to March of 2021.

>>8033913
Revenue is slightly/much higher than expected. There's no way Anykara's 2019-2020 year can beat that. They release their 2020-2021 to match this report Q1 next year. Current assets is also higher than I expected, as they are almost caught up, while only taking in 1/5th the outside investment. Again, comparing 2020-2021 to 2019-2020 though.

>>8033913
A large part of Niji's assets were from the $26m Series B investment. Cover only took in $4.1m.

>>8033895
Yeah, goods are expensive. It does put into perspective their superchat earnings though, even though superchat is like zero expenses.

>>8034329
I'm not being tribal. Anykara is a good comparison since they already posted their own report this year. What you want me to do, compare them to upd8's numbers?

>>8034720
>You really underestimate how far ahead Nijisanji was before HoloEN
FTFY

>>8034621
KEK, read up, numbers now

>>8034793
>even though superchat is like zero expenses.
They surely put the 30% Yt takes on the expense column

>>8034302
This is before their HUGE sponsorships gains.
Next year will be even larger.

>>8034382
Just write about the biggest streamers on twitch vs some more specialized streamers dude, 300 words is nothing.

>>8034793
Cost of goods is pretty interesting. According to some of the streamers the production cost for their own anniversary/birthday goods comes out of their own pocket, so I wonder how that'd appear on the company's financial report.

Ok I’m at a loss, how the actual fuck can anycolor be more valuable than goddamn COVER who has the western, Indonesian and soon Korean audience by the balls?

It’s just now that they almost caught up? What the fuck is mansanji doing then

>>8035290
Speed running right past the spawn room weapons test enemy
https://youtu.be/u4pM5suzPWU

>>8035545
Because all of that audience combined seems to still only be on par with Nijisanji's numbers in Japan alone, that's all there is to it.

>>8035545
It’s simple, nijisanji became a household name in Japan. The culture me niggers here that keep spouting is surprisingly not a meme. Their b-grade variety show they do is very low budget but it’s one of their performing shows, beating even their 3D show since it also adds as an advertisement for products for locals.

>>8035545
>What the fuck is mansanji doing then
Taking 15M from Sony, that makes up a large part of the existing difference

>>8035710
next one choco sub account?

>>8035545
>Kuzuha was on potato chips packaging in 2019 already.
>Nijis can play 3D ping pong on stream while Korone needed to use a janky baguette to play mock baseball in Marine's 3D live.
In terms of technology and sponsorships, Nijisanji was miles ahead of Cover until midway 2020. You can argue technologically, Cover still hasn't caught up.

>>8035545
cover's audience is more diverse, therefore it's much harder to put targeted ads toward their audience, at least for EN and ID

>>8035545
Did you not see nijisanji koushien literally mogging the actual koushien on Twitter while also exceeding 200k viewers.

Plus having heavy hitting sponserships? Are you that fucking deep inside a bubble?

>>8035545
You should compare nijisanjis 3D tech + plus their recent AR live to covers and you’ll realise that tech wise, cover is still behind.

>>8035848
>next one choco sub account?
Next one: beating all Holostars that still trail YAGOO.
Then beating YAGOO.
Then beating the Holostars final boss

Then and only then they’re worthy battling with Choco Sub
> there will be, of course, a cut scene of them passing their NijiEN rivals in the lobby to take on Choco Sub while they wait

>>8035545
Volume, good practices, good ties with other companies, Sony investment, and lots of merch. Cover's growth is explosive and massive but the gap between Nijisanji was a gulf.

>>8035912
If you think about just how far ahead Niji was in terms of both investments AND sponsorships before 2020, these numbers make more sense.
Remember, 15m from Sony alone, plus the fact that Cover's sponsorship game was WEAK until Curry Meshi happened, and the results of that are starting to come in for Hololive. I don't think the Red Bull + Taco bell sponsorships are even in this report since they're too new? I don't know when this report goes up until.

>>8036038
>cover is still behind.
And always will be. Cover positioned themselves to be
> good enough at a budget
And they’re not doing anything in house better than that, they just hire studios when they need better than what they have at home

>>8036202
April 2020 - March 2021 I think.

Ok cover still being behind anycolor is like a huge shock to me.

>>8035545
Nijisanji are like the 2004 Yankees and Cover is the Red Soxs, The Cover just won game 5 and have almost cleared the gap.

>>8036202
Cover's is March to March, Anykara is April to April.

>>8036368
Yeah, that’s what you get for not doing your reps on the companies.

>>8036272
So does that mean that anycolors investing to do their shit in-house paid off for them then?

>>8035545
Niji last year got $17M from Sony Music on April 2020. Cover was competing on a rank lower than them only to be guillotined by that amount of money. You could see the fruits of those money now with their 3D and AR now. Funny enough, Cover blew up two times last year and only now they're competing against anykara on the same level again.

Don't worry, Nijifes will be included in Anykara's report so you can be sure their profits are down the drain. Imagine renting out Big Sight for 3 days to prepare for an event as large as comiket and then covid hits.

>>8023324

I admit I fully expected the ID girls to speak exclusively Indonesian when I first started checking Hololive out, I probably would have watched a lot more Risu and Moona before EN came out if I knew

>>8036272
The fuck are you talking about they just released interviews stating they did AR in-house.
https://www.anycolor.co.jp/news/ymxro-kkg9
>ANYCOLOR's Unity engineer is in charge of AR development for "Nijisanji AR STAGE" LIGHT UP TONES "" (#real-time AR live)

>>8035545
https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000136.000030865.html
>1.9B yen investment from Sony music JP, Itochu, Legend capital and Kansai science.

>>8036749
You've misread Anon. They're saying COVER is going to always be behind techwise to Anycolour, for the same reason you just listed pretty much.

>>8036493
Time will tell. It’s a high risk high reward strategy, In a few years maybe they’ll be sitting in the most valuable technology for the streamers market, or sitting in a pile of outdated tech.

>>8036736
>I probably would have watched a lot more Risu and Moona before EN came out if I knew
That goes to show how remarkable “lapiz lazuri give me” was for ID.

There was either a collab or a Twitter exchange way back in 2020 where Iofi (or Risu?) was asked by one of the JP senpais
>so, what company you are from
to which the ID in question answered, mildly angry
>from the same as you

Back then HoloCN was their own thing and so was ID for the most part.
ID only got made Hololive proper thanks to Moona being the NPC on JP Micra server and Pekora wanting to show off her English

>>8037080
I'll apologize, sorry bros.
But I don't get why Cover doesn't put more investments towards 3D when their whole thing is idols, they really need new sets at least

>>8036749
Cover is behind. Learn to fucking read before rushing to whiteknight your damsel in distress at the first perceived (non existing) insult

>>8037177
Why should they? They have brain dead fans that’ll eat mediocre shit regardless of quality, plus they save on costs.

>>8037177
>why Cover doesn't put more investments towards 3D
“Why build when you can rent?” is their mindset there.

They gave up being a tech startup long ago and well full in on being an entertainment company

Number lads what's the follower count for Holo EN 2 right now

I heard 2 are already banned

>>8037303
This, but without the salt. Some people will buy a 100 bucks bottle of the best wine, some will buy a 15 bucks bottle of acceptable wine for an acceptable meal.

Not everybody is a gourmand like your enlightened self.

>>8037177
because inhouse 3D no money. They rather rent out other company tech to do theirs like bushiroad and focus on multimedia stuff like manga, game, etc.

>>8037177
Who knows. Now that we know they actually have money to invest into their company maybe they will.

They seem to want to do multimedia projects though.

This is the first time I see a number thread begrudgingly admit that anycolor knows how to spend their money, it’s quite strange.

Is it because of covers multimedia project approach that they’re doing that’s making many numberfags question their choices?

>>8037525
IRyS got banned in less than 15 minutes. Anyone else feeling that holo en gen 2 isn't doing that well?I was expecting more numbers than IRyS, not less.

They could be investing 3D/AR for vtuber entertainment like this >>8036749 but they have a different focus.

>>8037781
Facts are facts, no? Anycolor went from lapping Cover many times over to having just a healthy lead. We know Anycolor grew too so who knows if that holds.

>choice
I may numberfag but I watch the content of talents I like first and foremost, Cover could be 5th place and I'd still watch the talent I like from there.

>>8037177
Sometimes you don't need to chase the latest in tech, to put what >>8037303 is saying in less vitriolic terms.
See: Consoles. Nintendo opted to go for a different strategy than pushing the envelope, whereas Sony did. Both are valid strategies that may pay off.

>>8037781
>begrudgingly admit that anycolor knows how to spend their money
Wut? I never seen anyone criticizing Any or praising Cover for their money management.

That’s why it’s so surprising that Cover removed the large part of the gap.

>>8037804
5 talents to focus on vs 1
There's a week still to build up, best to compare debut-stream to debut-stream.

>>8038151
I expected cover to eclipse anycolor considering they have a wide international reach.

>>8038226
IRyS got Saturday night during primetime. These girls are getting American morning to American afternoon on a Saturday. I think Nijis most recent wave will end up having bigger numbers.

>>8038259
That’s because you’re dumb and may have got lost to find your way to this thread.

Cover results are ABSURDLY good and surprisingly too. If that report is March to March it means they only had HoloEN for half that period (October to March).

>>8038259
They're not there yet. Cover is still ramping up and Anykara's year lead is helping them a ton.
That's not to mention that the way they just debut wave after wave of vtubers means they have many revenue sources.

With Cover's insane growth, they'll be able to utterly destroy Anykara next year for sure, right? From what I can see, Anykara is wasting their money on useless shit that will not make them any return while Cover is being very efficient at making money and Hololive is already like 10 times more well-known than Nijisanji and their viewerships are 100% bigger than Niji despite only having ~50 people.

>>8038496
>imagine being this salty because of a good financial result to the point one have to pretend to be a retard

>>8017834
Zoombie beats Tokyo Ghoul LOL.

Ya love to see it.

>>8038496
No, enikara grew too. I love hololive just as much as anyone else but stop caring so much about who is number 1. It's been enikara for a long while. Cover is a company, not you friend.

>>8038496
>Anykara next year for sure, right?
Considering their insane koushien that had increased their numbers and sponserships, plus the AR tech and in-house shit paying off for them, I’m unsure if I’m honest with you.

>>8029541
Do you happen to have the full report available?

>>8038259
>wide international reach
Wide international reach doesn't mean shit when HoloEN merch is just starting to be made. Cover grew too quickly and couldn't keep up with demand so they didn't maximize every penny possible, but this is still an amazingly good report.

>>8035745
Hololive has a bigger audience than Nijisanji you can tell it from the views overall, engagement and free content (boxbro peak 10K on twitch, cytube). The difference is Hololive has too many 'free content' people.

>>8038673
The anon you’re responding to is the same one saying >>8037303 and most of the salty diatribe in this thread.

>EN2 already pacing to mog Niji

Another curb stomp. Money doesnt buy skill it seems.

Has anyone mentioned nijisanjis autistic merch game? They got that down to an art, they just realised a shiina plushie that was a long-standing and favourite design.

https://twitter.com/nijisanji_app/status/1427269094374445061?s=21

>>8032705
They don't need to open another funding round with that amount of profits. Heck, buy those shares back.

>>8038496
>Hololive is already like 10 times more well-known
With people who don't generate a profit. Say what you want about the Japanese but they are more valuable as they give more money for goods and SCs. Most sponsorships are Japanese too. The only way Cover could ever clear the gap is by beatiing Nijisanji in Japan which is still farfetched or getting more big sponsorships from international corporations like Yum! and Red Bull.

>>8038496
> Anykara is wasting their money on useless shit that will not make them any return while Cover is being very efficient at making money
>HoloAlt and HoloError
I'm a holofag but come the fuck on. AR live probably made Niji more money than Bloom honestly.

>Hololive is already like 10 times more well-known than Nijisanji and their viewerships are 100% bigger than Niji despite only having ~50 people.
Okay, you're just retarded then.

This must’ve been a huge reality check for some holofags dang, come one cover did well!

>>8038891
In what universe is that autistic? It's just a plush.

>>8038974
Red Bull already did two sponsorships back to back with Cover. They seem to be pretty satisfied.
Would the release of this report interest companies to work with Cover more?

>>8039128
I think he refers to nijisanji shitting out new merch/voices every few weeks

>>8038695
>increased their numbers and sponserships
They're way below Hololive and they already lost their irl baseball sponsorship to them
>plus the AR tech and in-house shit paying off for them
I doubt it. The chinkflu is here to stay and that AR shit isn't gonna make them any money any time soon because they can't maximize their profit on irl events. The maintenance cost of their tech will continue to eat away their money as long as the chinkflu is here.

>>8039192
Merch? Yeah. VP? No, a lot of those tweets are re-runs

>>8039246
>They're way below Hololive and they already lost their irl baseball sponsorship to them

I’m sorry but are you retarded? That sponsership goes around to literal every niche, they recently collabed with hatsune miku and lovelive.

>>8039246
You’re crazy. Cost of maintenance for this type of tech is negligible compared with the cost of developing it from scratch. It’s the difference between some antifreeze and a couple of engine cycles for a long time parked car and buying a new one

>>8039165
Probably, yes. The money backs up numbers.
I used Red Bull and Yum! as an example of multi billion dollar companies collabing with Cover since they already have. They need more of that.

>>8039165
When you go from ->Literally who?->Curry Meshi (Nissin) ->Red Bull + Taco Bell, that alone should be a wake up call to any marketer worth their salt. If companies are only paying attention after this report, they're already behind the ball.
Like you would have to be genuinely incompetent to not at least consider that v-tubers are going to be very, very effective marketing tools at hitting a market that is traditionally averse to normal marketing reach (Otaku/anime fans) and has cash to SPEND.
Also, Niji merch tactics is well known if you don't have your head up your arse and just do even a little bit of reps. On this front, they've opted to go for the shotgun approach much like they did with their talents early on, and each bit adds up.

Is this the power of pulling out from CN? They became more wealthy than relying on chink money?

>>8039371
Hatsune Miku and Love Live. Those are biggest if not top avatars to collab with. Are you retarded. Next ones will be actual celebrities

>nijisanji lost the baseball sponsership!
>actually just sponsoring anything they can get their hands on that’s popular.

They did this with hatsune miku since she gained relevance again due to project sekai, love live and hololive getting them is an absolute no brainier.

Unless cover somehow manages to convince Konami to give them power pro permissions which I doubt after this years nijikoushien gaining a sponser and surpassing last years one.

It also trended in Indonesia and with sea flips.

>>8039246
>meanwhile Anykara is doing 3 IRL events in September (Nijiquiz, Saving Private Noraneko, and Rin 3D) plus the IRL showings of AR live
Are they also trying to incline their covid rates?

>>8033485
In the past hour or so Rat Girl picked up about 15k subs and now she clears Ankimo!

>PREDICTIONS FOR CATCHING UP WITH ROSEMI?

>>8039641
>>nijisanji lost the baseball sponsership!
who the fuck is saying that? nijisanji is sponsored by konami, a game company, while hololive got sponsored by irl baseball teams to sell merch.
is anyone reading anything that's posted or are they just looking at baseball uniforms and freaking out

>>8039694
It's boring to look at this every hour. Check back after 6hrs

>>8039643
The Olympics already took care of that

>>8039571
>They became more wealthy than relying on chink money?
No, chinks could have put ten times the Sony money on them.
They would have to sacrifice the western market tho, if you take the massive blowback on the NBA when that HongKong thing happened.

They would do well, but they would pretty much be an local Asian company

When this thread isn't plagued by falseflaggers and shitposters it really is the most interesting thread on the board.

>>8039796
One retard here>>8039246

They didn’t do their niji reps

>>8039559
I'm guessing it'll be months till we see the fruits of their labor once again, I could imagine setting up these sponsorships takes months.
There's also still no news on the Sanrio collab they teased months ago.

>>8039798
I was just waiting for Ankimo to be beaten

>>8039641
>It also trended in Indonesia and with sea flips.
>even caring about them or knowing what they think
Is it any wonder that console warring fags are from this region of the world?

>>8039853
I think it’s because shitposters saw that nijisanji isn’t actually dying and cover just only closed the gap despite having multiple successful branches.

>>8039829
>chinks could have put ten times the Sony money on them.
they probably did. iirc Asmongold was offered 300k to play a chink game, now imagine getting sponsored by Tencent.

>>8039899
There is one underrated partnership ongoing right now that is so cleverly delivered that nobody thinks about it
>Botan-XBox game pass

This collab and many of these ones Botan is organizing seem to be a showcase for game pass

>>8039960
I'm not sure anyone can discuss numbers in good faith if they didn't already know Nijisanji was leaps and bounds ahead of Hololive before 2020 both in popularity and as a company, and I'm saying that as a hardcore holofag.

>>8040047
That game is doing really fucking well, so I guess the investment was money well spent

>>8040057
She's 100% going to get sponsored to play STALKER 2.

>>8040047
>>8040133
>The game's story was written by Tadashi Satomi, a writer for the first two Persona games.
>The theme song, "White Midnight" (白夜), was written and performed by the Japanese singer Reol.
Heavy hitters in the project

>>8040225
>release date: 2022
Meaning more like 2024.

>>8040057
Botan is an experienced shiller with decades of experience in the game industry, look at how she's now cleverly capitalized on pandering to the Russians with a nod to them in her first original song, despite debuting saying that she was learning Chinese. Behind the laidback personality is a keen and cunning mind for enterprise.

How are the new girls' numbers for now? Who has the headstart?

>>8040133
I mean...
RAID: SHADOW LEGENDS should say plenty about the power of Money. Mind you you still need to at the very minimum be an okay game no matter how much money you throw at sponsorships and advertising, but oh boy when it works....
>>8040057
Right, I keep forgetting because it covers such a wide variety of games.

>>8040433
Mostly even. I don't think all are banned from twitter yet though.

>>8040133
Alchemy Stars was going to be a hit regardless of the collaboration. It was one of the most hyped, big budget mobage games of the year.

Nijis were also sponsored by Mihoyo to shill Genshin when it first came out. That's why there's a handful of Kuzuha Genshin streams and he never touched that game ever again LMAO.

>>8038788
Yeah, despite us talking about it all the time, subs count and CCV doesn't really translate to actual dollars that much. Akasupa might seem a lot, but it really is just a drop compared to merch sales, let alone corpo sponsorship that Any got a healthy lead on. Good to see Cover catching up tho.

>>8034302
> in terms of assets?
One of the companies diluted their shares for $6M. The other one diluted their shares for $17M. With half of the funding and a third of the roster, Cover is doing much better.

>>8040513
Lize is still doing sponsored streams so the payout must be really good.

>>8038974
I wonder if Cover can strike a partnership with an ID company, actually. We make fun of Iofi and Anya but even they have pretty good numbers compared to most vtubers, not to mention Ollie and Moona. Won't pay as much as Tako Bell or the likes but it's easier to get as it's more targeted to just one country rather than international appeal.

>>8040552
Views and subs encourage sponsorships and can indicate that you know merch will sell.

Hololive still has a massive merch problem, hard to get your hands on it and that isn't a good thing.

>>8040757
Doubt it if they still having trouble with merch, that shit trounces superchat any day.

>>8040443
Luna is sponsored by GamePass as well, I don’t know if that’s why she was playing street fighter the other day.

Cute as fuck but she definitely struggles with it

Well the Council video got hit with the youtube views freeze, which means at least that enough people are watching it in a short period of time that Youtube needed to check for bots. Good news for HoloEN2.

>>8029541
Is it possible that Cover can become a sponsor for obs? Unironically this could be one of the best move since obs is literally used everywhere and maybe the best advert/investment as advertising hololive to the global audience and investing in obs to make it better...