/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

>>8072325
full list from >>8068652

A (non-vtuber but YT metrics related) video for you to ponder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xHZPH5Sng

>>8072482
Thanks anon. I crop to top 10 on purpose (makes it easy to glance the thumb) and count on you anons to post the full list to kick off the thread

>>8072325
KING beats Pekora not once but twice. I kneel.

>>8073030
Sorry, you can't be the king if you're #2
>the only knees bending today is for Queen Shion!

>>8072325
Damn, should I start watching Hal?

>>8073269
Only if you like watching apex. Occasionally he rants when his ranked lobbies get full of hackers.

>>8073030
King? I know she's made a good cover but gee anon, I wonder if you have a tranny kink.

>>8072325
>30k for Peko minecraft
kinda concerning

>>8073131
>>8073349
Number wars, The cunny strike back.

>>8073131
>>80733491
Nice holocope until you realize she couldn't beat last year's peak.

>>8073432
Cunny always wins.

>>8073447
>until you realize she couldn't beat last year's peak.
Sorry anon, here is her 2020 birthday stream
>OH NO NO NO HAHAHAHAHAHA, SHE SMASHED IT IN 2021
Sorry anon, now kneel! Jealousy is an ugly thing, prove you are above it and kneel to your HoloQueen

>>8073447
I'm sorry are we comparing shion with kuzuha or shion with shion? Don't you feel ashamed that you need to call shion from hololive to beat shion from hololive?

Matuli is now NijiEN tier after all the yabs, Jesus. 1.1m subs btw.

S-Shion
>I KNEEL
AND SO DOES >>8073447

>>8073447
Pretty sad that you are going through Holo streams from a year ago to cope.
Seems like you care more about Hololive than your manjisanji oshi

>>8073546
unrelated to numbers but I wish Shion from Hololive would beat me

>>8073580
she wishes she was Selen tier

>>8073580
that's exacty what she wanted

>PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSST
HEY ANONS

>TRADE ALERT!
Nijisanji gets Matsuri and one (1) pick out of 2022 next Hololive EN generation
Hololive gets Hoshikawa and two (2) slots in the upcoming all stars baseball game, one for Roberu and one wildcard pick

> DEAL?!?

>>8073580
This is what constantly fucking around with your schedule, descending into absolute apex addiction hell despite your fanbase begging you not to, and then doing a HC challenge when everyone else has is doing one or has done so will do your numbers.
She's isolated herself from so much of the rest of Hololive and rarely collabs with any of them too.
Matsuri is a case study of what NOT to do as a holomember, and her numbers reflect it.

Nice numbers thread you got here fags

>>8073872
>Niji gets a merch machine, dancer, singer and promoter, plus a sure EN hit that will cros 1M in a couple of months

>Holo gets an unironic whore with no talent, and 2 slots in a tournament they will get next year anyways, while being forced to include a homo

Uh... no? No thanks

>>8073872
>>8074031
Make it a temporary transfer, Chammers get to knock up whoresikawa and Gundou can do the same to meheratuli. The offsprings will bring a new era of peace.

>>8074031
Anon, I genuinely had to triple read to see which one was the merch machine and which one was the unironic whore

>Cover's profit:
-0.62M USD(2019)
2.40M USD(2020)
17.28M USD(2021)
>Nijisanji's profit:
0.32M USD(2021)

>>8074185
Based on what? I can't read this

>>8073767
I don't think she wishes to be obese

>Now numberfagging a company's money
Yeah, numberfagging was cool with views and songs but this is just /v/ level of console wars.

>>8074185
Is this from the last numbers thread?
That's net profit yes? What the bloody hell is Nijisanji spending their money on?!

>>8074278
Bots

>>8074254
Anon...
>Big number > small number
if one day Niji CEO throws the first pitch (and he might) people will just nunberfag which one threw the fastest

>>8074278
Fuckload of ads and sponsoring for big collabs

>>8074278
That one is anykara profit from 2020 April I think, their 2021 report would be much higher at least. As for what the hell they spend their money during that period there is their expansion to INDIA branch, Iwanaga SLEE pet project and probably commisioning shit load of 3D models and tech.

>>8074371
Unironically this. I imagine the Koshien ads were paid by Konami, but holy shit, it can't be cheap to have Lazulight everywhere like they did with that song.

>>8074371
That I get, and I also get that tech investments are happening as well since they're pushing their AR and 3d stuff more than Hololive is, but that's still a rather large amount.

>>8073349
>needs a 3D anniversary to beat an Apex scrim
Not my Queen!

>>8074449
Cover seems to have gone from tech focused to trying to pivot into becoming an entertainment company.

>>8074487
KNEEL! KNEEL TO THE MIDRIFF!
>your queen DEMANDs it!

>>8074185
Jesus, this is number thread not a bait thread, at least do your research before spouting things you didn't even understand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfJKfMvG1rc

>>8074185
Good one anon. Now give me the number of their gross profit & the number of how much they reinvested.

>>8074487
>Coco graduation doesn't count! Koshien has the record
>3D doesn't count, Kuzuha has the biggest ccv today!
>Insert Holo thing here doesn't count! Insert Niji thing here is the best!

It's always the same with nijiniggers

>>8074576
>2 hours long video
You gotta have to provide your reasoning in 27 words or less anon. Nobody will watch that shit and will just take >>8074185 at his word as it is very well summarized

>>8073663
You say that but holofans still bring up gura's outfit reveal and coco's graduation, I wouldn't be surprised if tgey keep using till next year

>>8074185
Fuwa and Tomoe's 3D alone generated half a mil or so. Try again.

>>8074324
>looks at Gura's dead subs
Y-yeah...

>>8074686
>still bring up gura's outfit reveal and coco's graduation
Sorry anon, if nobody passes it it remains #1

>>8074643
cope, Pomu and her MVP performance is #2.

>>8074625
>>8074659
Both of these please. Gotta understand that at that video length and on an EOP board, summaries in english are most helpful.
I too want to know Gross, reinvestment etc because much like the Amazon strat, if Niji is re-investing most of their profit into future growth then it makes perfect sense why their profits would be low.

>>8074690
>he doesn't know the difference between revenue and profit

>>8074690
You surely know the difference between revenue and profit, right?

>>8074769
So why isn't Yagoo spending money on Pekora's project? Greedy piece of shit?

Did you know Marine had to pay for her video herself?

>>8074732
And a well deserved #2!
That's what Pomu is used to, after all. Sloppy seconds, right HoloEN reject?

>>8074809
1) Kson
2) Pomu
3) no talent shark
it's okay, maybe one day Gura can get Pekora tier viewers regularly again. Haha...

>>8074761
>much like the Amazon strat
Yeah anon, but Amazon strat (like most VC backed startups in the US) hinged in one thing
>gotta expand our market so wide we become the #1 by a HUGE margin
Same with Google and Youtube, same with Uber, same with Netflix, every company reinvesting everything has one thing in common
>they're aiming for #1 and are trading profit for market share
There is exactly ZERO companies employing the strategy of outspending their adversaries while ceding market share because it makes zero sense

>>8074643
ok so you'd agree 3d debuts huge events and eceleb collabs count then, right? that's what you're saying?

>>8074796
Anon, plz, non sequitur in the numbers thread? Really?

>>8074847
I just checked Pomu's channel, I can't find that number there. What gives?

>The cost to promote a tweet (topic) ranges from $0.50 to $2.00 for each first action. The average falls around $1.35 each time someone clicks, replies, or retweets your tweet.
this shit is even more expensive than youtube ads lol, and they run it 24/7
but sure, lets call that and all that other boomer marketing as "reinvesting"

>>8074185
This is total assets:
>Cover
1.9M USD(2019)
7.6M USD(2020)
35M USD(2021)

>Nijisanji
35M USD(2021)

>>8074865
Look what Kuzuha can do with a JP only audience. He's also networking/streaming with idols/celebs/pros regularly. He beats holos with EOP buff/English buff, even.

If anyone is growing now, it's Kuzuha and ShibuyaHal.

>>8069505
Copy pasting from last thread:

>Holo net profit (2020/3~2021/3) : 1742M yen
>Niji net profit (2020/3~2021/3): 32M yen

>>8074847
Sorry anonchama, no matter how much you cope and seethe, Coco is the one at Number 1
No idea who Kson is
This is the number thread, not the history revisoning thread

>>8074966
who do you think Kson is? The only one responsible for Coco's success is Coco.

Predictions for the KING's collab with Hikakin? I say at least 40k.

>>8074796
AnyColor were reinvesting all that money into their own growth instead of their livers' personal projects so I'm not sure why you think it's a good argument to bring up Pekora or Marine, unless you're a holotourist who only knows the biggest narratives being thrown around on /vt/.

>>8074919
>networking
he sits on his ass all day and invitations/collabs come to him by chance, calling it networking is very generous.

>>8074919
>ShibuyaHal
KEK; keep your filthy paws off this cute indie. He's not yours to take, as he's arguably the true KING of VTubers.

Isn't Kuzuha just one more guest in his champtionship? Pretty much Astel but with a slightly bigger audience, both tagging along with the true KING

>>8075030
Hal impresses me the most, no big company carrying him and he outdoes the big dogs.

>>8075051
>Hal impresses me the most, no big company carrying him and he outdoes the big dogs.
Through sheer power of his boyish charm and his good connections in the business.

I can genuinely seeing him founding a company and becoming the #3 in th JP market, not even kidding.

>>8075095
If Hal wills it, he can easily become #2. Many nijis who are good friends with him will follow him

>>8075095
>founding a company
>while still active as vtuber and hosting tourneys
Overworked to death livestream when?

>>8075095
He's a very good player and knows how to run a stream/tournament, and he can socialize with anyone. Nijisanji probably tried to get him but he can do it all on his own (with no SC cut)

>>8075164
if he died on stream how many views would that get

>>8069505
>Holo net profit (2020/3~2021/3) : 1742M yen
>Niji net profit (2020/3~2021/3): 32M yen

ShibuyaHAL is honorary Niji btw.
Cover is sabotaging themselves by avoiding males.

>>8074905
not even surprising, most big companies around the world, even the tech ones, spend most of their money on marketing rather than the actual product itself.
Product is not selling? Just spend more on marketing campaign to convince the gullible normies that they need this, why bother trying to improve your product instead

>>8075164
>Overworked to death livestream when?
That's the thing: he already hired managers and staff to deal with the mundane shenanigans.
In his position founding a company is as simple as getting funds, expanding his staff and hiring from within his circle of acquaintances. See >>8075136, don't doubt he could flip a couple of big league APEX players with a good proposal

If anyone can do it it would be Hal

>>8075051
>>8075095
>>8075195
He's former upd8, the company that Kizuna Ai used to be part of. He was allowed to keep his channel after the company was dissolved in Dec 2020.

>>8075224
FUCK OFF LEECHES, Hal is an indie and a cute boy

>>8075239
It doesn’t seem to be translating into views. Sure some Niji gets 50k likes on their Twitter but they’re not watching their content.

>>8075248
>He's former upd8
That doesn't make him less of an indie

>>8075224
not a company but
https://twitter.com/KNR_Gaming_

>>8075281
Boomer directors dont look into the numbers of views of every single channel, they just look at the big easy numbers. Kuzuha doing good? Koshien got bigger live than last year? Twitter engagement is doing well? That`s great news! See you next month.

>>8075329
KEK, is that his APEX clan?

>>8075378
yes, but it also functions as a brand since he's known for apex.

>>8074396
ID on Sept 19, KR&IN on Jan 20.
This fiscal year even bigger imo. New office+studio, 3D+L2D, AR+tech stuff like sensor, Niji EN. I doubt if they publish detailed data but I'm curious on how much they spend on Niji EN branch.

>>8075215
That video that was posted was rambling mess but one his main points was Cover experienced ludicrous growth in the year prior to that repot, their numbers grew by a literal factor of ten. That much profit isn't' necessarily a good thing but they grew so fast they couldn't reinvest it effectively.

Also talking about Hal starting an agency, or how big the number Kuzeha gets are, is sort of missing the point. Hololive is big enough now they lost their top earner and are still going strong. Hal's agency would live and die with him. A significant illness, burn out, etc and the entire thing folds. A large number mid/high tier talents who can be marketed both broadly and to specific niches without being too reliant on a single creative talent being mentally stable for an extended period is a much more stable business model.

>>8075370
They're not wrong to do that though, their concern should rightfully be with how well the agency is doing as a whole.

Shibuya
>Hey Kuzuha, how much is Niji paying you?
Kuzuha
>N-Nothing?
>They let me crash at their office and give me a share of voice packs, that's enough for some bean sprouts and cup ramen three times a week
Shibuya
>I'm founding a company, wanna work for me? I'll pay you a salary
Kuzuha
>O-Only if I get first pic of spot for the next APEX championship
Shibuya
>DEAL! STAMP HERE KUDASAI

And that's the story of how KNR_Gaming became the second largest VTuber agency in Japan, after Hololive

>>8075378
>>8075422
it's just his friend group

>>8075527
can you keep your cringe headcanon out of the numbers thread

>>8075427
Yeah but i suppose they can offset those with the profits from february big fes, recent ar concert, and the upcoming Raindrop live. Mind you i have no fucking idea how much those profits are because they literaly hire FLOW to a nearly empty fucking venue and had to cancel the larger venue due to covid and shit. And i'm not really sure about the rest but Record labels take a cut for their concert too right?

>>8075559
a friend group that has its own website is in tied to the commercially tied to the thing that the friends do for a living

>>8075527
>Hololive
>largest VTuber agency in Japan

>>8075329
>>8075422
>Knot Not Rank (commonly known as KNR) official Twitter of a good friend group.
Literally in description. Take meds.

>>8075527
wrong thread >>7995609
also add a sex scene

>>8075659
have you even reached into puberty yet?

>>8075638
they are a group of friends who play games together, primarily apex legends. they have connection to esports groups like CR,DTN but they are just a group of friends.

>>8075432
An example I guess would be if Kuzuha decided to leave his fans would follow him instead of spill over to the rest of the agency right?
Sure Coco left and some fans may not return to Hololive but the majority were Hololive fans to begin with so they just watch the other streamers now.

>>8075742
>non-argument
You conceded too fast, kid.

>those VOD views
He's making Pekora look pathetic in comparison. Literally Gura tier views.

>>8075826
>no u
amazing, I expected no different

>>8075893
powerpro buff, didn't stream for a few days buff, and currently tournament buff.
stop setting him up and leave pekora alone while you're at it.

>>8074796
people still don't realize that cover pays for all their hololive JP talent's singing lessons and dance practices. at least that's where a portion of their profits go to.

>>8075893
>Gura tier
please don't insult Kuzuha

>>8075893
>blocks your path giggly
Nothing personel vampie

>>8076011
reading comprehensions anonchama....

>>8075938
That's a lot of cope you just wrote. He's consistently higher than Pekora in VOD views no matter which way you look at it.

>>8076042
VOD views are irrelevant, these are live views for a non gimmick stream.

>>8075750
what do you think branding means?

>>8076032
fucking oni`s done it again

>>8076032
are we counting covers as VODs? why, you should have said it from the start!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=oPAcjv__fbc

>>8076056
huh? what you're replying to is an argument about VOD views. That's why i said to read again tribalfag

>8076102
predictable, not even a you for the effort

>>8074659
Both were financial statements from 2020

>Cover
Assets
Fixed 663 mn yen
Liquid 89 mn yen
Total 725 mn yen

Liabilities
Fixed 295 mn yen
Liquid 39 mn yen
Total 334 mn yen

Shareholders equity 418 mn yen
retained earnings after dividens 77 mn yen
Net income 168 mn yen (1,5 mn usd)

>Ichikara
Assets
Fixed 3,334 mn yen
Liquid 257 mn yen
Total 3,591 mn yen

Liabilities
Fixed 670 mn yen
Liquid 217 mn yen
Total 887 mn yen
Shareholders equity 2,702 mn yen
retained earnings after dividens 60 mn yen
Net income 0.3 mn yen (0,03 mn usd)

>calling Kuzuha as Gura tier
Gura can't beat a dude below million subs. Numbers don't lie.

miko doko?

>>8076351
He more or less on the same tier as her now. Can get similar views for videos with similar amount of duration.

>>8076278
>Assets
Total 3,591 mn yen
Shareholders equity 2,702 mn yen
Yow.... is any nasfaq fag here, just who gets the money with that shares?

>>8076278
Shouldn't it be Ichikara: Net Income 32 Million ?

>>8076079
Not that anon but you just can call it circle.

>>8076527
Whoops, thought I changed the copy-paste. You're right, thanks for catching it

Ichikara
Net income 32 mn yen (0,3 mn usd)

>>8074625
Cover's revenue was posted last thread. it was somewhere like 14M USD in 2020 and 53USD in 2021. no figures for enikara yet unfortunately.

>EN2 hitting 100k subs

I'd kill myself if i was in NijiEN desu

>>8076630
>Personal branding is the conscious and intentional effort to create and influence public perception of an individual by positioning them as an authority in their industry, elevating their credibility, and differentiating themselves from the competition, to ultimately advance their career, increase their circle of influence, and have a larger impact.[1]

>The process of personal branding involves finding your uniqueness, building a reputation on the things you want to be known for, and then allowing yourself to be known for them. Ultimately, the goal is to create something that conveys a message and that can be monetized.[2]

i thought numbersfags actually had some knowledge

For comparison purposes, how many subs did Holo EN Gen 1 have before their first stream? And after how many days?

>>8076745
Gen 1 hit 100K during their debut streams, none had 100K beforehand I thought?

>>8076800
How many days did it take for that 100k?

>>8076708
Maybe only Finana. She self-admittedly claimed she was in the finals for Hololive.

>>8076745
Can't remember the exact numbers but I'm pretty sure none of them hit 100k until post debut. Ame also hovered around mid 90k for a couple of hours either due to YouTube fuckery or her disaster of a debut (probably both). Excluding IRyS, this will probably be the biggest debut for a full gen.

>>8073872
Trade 1 randomly chosen EN2 for Pomu

>>8076708
I mean they are doing just fine but the difference between HoloEN and NijiEN is going to be vast in terms of money, exposure, and opportunities in the English speaking sphere. It would gnaw at me, I'm sure. Maybe they are all made of tougher stuff mentally, but I doubt it.

>>8076904
But if they reached 90k before debut, it would be important to know how many days it took them to get that 90k. I don’t actually remember.

Is Kuzuha ever going to stop inclining? The boy started out as a nobody with less viewers than holos from the same period.

>>8076857
She probably thought getting a callback was the finals.

>>8076708
I'm pretty sure neither NijiEN (both waves) nor HoloEN2 are numberfags

>>8077054
Kiara

>>8076986
Don't quote me on this anon, but I think four of them got 100k after all of their debuts ended except Ame which took an additional few hours.

>>8077011
he was indie for like 3 months, with a model that looked like it cost about 10 dollars off some kid from deviantart

>>8076708
Dead subs.

OK, OK, this “king” this, “queen” that is getting out of hand. Here is a proposal that will satisfy everyone: let’s make this an empire with many kingdoms

> King of hours watched: Kuzuha
> Queen of median CCV: Pekora
> Queen of subs: Gura
> Queen of peak CCV, co-regent of Superchats: Coco
> Queen regent of Superchats: Rushia
> Queen of IRL shows: Kizuna AI

And to rule them all and to keep the peace, the

Emperor of All Vtubers, King of Indies, ruler of collabs, slayer of rrats, seducer of MILFS and impossibly charming shota: Shibuya Hal

>ALL IN FAVOR REPLY TO THIS POST
(No objections and it passes)

>>8077011
Why is he popular? Was his roommate famous before?

>>8077144
>Shibuya Hal
who dat

>>8077072
That's why I said HoloEN2 instead of HoloEN in general

>>8077169
Your vote in favor was registered. Thanks for voting

>>8076986
https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000296.000030268.html
Reveal on the 9th, debut streams were around the 13th, so it took them more than 4 days to hit 100k.

>>8077054
Everyone is a numberfag, that's their job. Most people are just tactful enough to not show it.

>>8076708
I think if I were in their shoes it would be way harder if holoEN2 had similar subs to NijiEN att debut but was just better at everything and started to incline like crazy after a few streams and pass them that way. Now that they are easily passed before debut, they can probably rationalize it to themselves that it is just brand

>>8077205
For a job that requires a good number to sustain, to not be numberfag it to suicide, what's the saying that fit here? only the rich can afford to look poor.

>>8077192
no, really. tell me about your oshi.

>>8077201
>Reveal on the 9th, debut streams were around the 13th, so it took them more than 4 days to hit 100k.
That’s exactly what I wanted to know, thanks. It’s needed to gauge how well Gen 2 is doing so far.

>>8077301
Tournament spectator leech.

If people are legitimately curious about Kuzuha's VOD numbers for Apex streams (Powerpro streams are kinda self-explanatory, big CCV + long stream), I think it's mainly two reasons.

He does have a decent amount of fans checking his VODs since he streams all night and most people can't follow him. Looking at the numbers, the growth rate of his Apex tournament VODs definitely exceeds Pekora's, for example. Could be people wanting to catch highlights they missed or w/e.

The second reason is Apex is a big viewer churn game. Just have a look at his viewchart from last night.
https://piyo.chats.ninja/video/youtube/9VdxDQfWlnk

His viewcount fluctuates massively depending on if he's in the game or not. At one point, he dropped from 34k to 26k and then went back to 34k in 30 minutes. Every time this happens, he gets fresh views for the VOD.

This happens most to Kuzuha since he's the most watched Apex vtuber, but Kanae has a similar effect too and his Apex VODs are also big numbers despite ~10k CCV. 270k for a VOD where he was mostly 10k CCV with fluctuations is a lot.
https://piyo.chats.ninja/video/youtube/_AtivSxx5so

Another example is Hal. Look at those waves. 472k VOD views atm for a 4 hour stream with 25k peak, another stream that beats Pekora in VOD views despite lower CCV.
https://piyo.chats.ninja/video/youtube/Er4r00gMjYE

You don't see massive viewer churn in Pekora and Gura's streams for example. For smaller Apex streams, the churn is still like ~1k every match, but that's not nearly as impactful as Kuzuha losing 8k and then gaining 8k back.
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/mvyN-uVq4p4
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/TApuosFkpHU

Hope this clears things up a bit. It's interesting for sure.

>>8076518
holy mother of retards

>>8077259
Isn't that what happened to holoJP gen 5? They started out with roughly the same subs as holoEN but the latter left them in the dust.

>>8077259
Realistically the Niji EN people know they didn't have the experience or skills to make the cut for Hololive and are happy they got a decent spot rather than be stuck grinding it out as indies or in some mismanaged hellhole like Tsunderia. The only thing that would make them mad is if some random who waltzed into the auditions and got a spot in Gen 2. Someone they know and aren't particularly impressed by.

>>8077295
Haachama is shameless in her numberfagging, specially because she lean on Haaton to provide her with that tools and intel.
Pakora likewise, but she’s more for trying to expand her market to general streaming.
Kiara is at very least “number conscious” but she couldn’t punch herself out of a paper bag so she’s in an eternal struggle to not get left behind Ina in subs.

On the other end of the spectrum: Fubuki and Korone couldn’t care less, Amelia and Risu go to extreme lengths to sabotage their numbers and Rushia, Lamy optimize for SC numberfaggottry (not that they say it out loud)

>>8077449
That's just a function of market size. Only so many people speak Japanese. I'm sure they all understand that.

>>8074913
Holy shit, half the budget, a third of the roster, and yet manage to grow as large. Anikara gained around 10M while Cover gained around 25M.

>>8077539
And Cover still can't afford a better rigger.

>>8077539
The power of EOPs and SEAniggers.

>>8077461
I wouldn't say that experience/skills matter much given the amount of competition applying. At that level, with dozens of people just as good as you are, it's all down to luck.

>>8072325
Hopefully Botan manages to get the girls interested in an FPS other than Apex

>>8077587
>>8077588
All this jealousy and spite must surely leave a bitter bile taste in the mouth. Be happy for their success anon, it doesn’t detract from Nijisanji’s own success.

>>8077608
Thats wrong. Talent levels are not all the same, and Cover can easily raise the bar to eliminate a bunch of people in order to get at the very top.

>>8077145
Yes, his roommate was/is a big figure. Big enough that Kuzuha can retain his character after joining Nijisanji.
Fubuki's roommate was bigger than Hololive when she joined, but she didn't have any chuuba form.

>>8074324
>cough cough Youtube bots removal cough cough Pekora loses 20k average viewers cough cough

>>8077698
Or they could just wave in Subaru, with zero streaming experience and see how it goes

>>8076716
And you think some circle don't fullfil those criteria? Some of them DO generate money, fame, influence & reputation.

>>8077746
it probably helped that they casted him and he didn't audition

>>8077608
They have so many people applying it's very unlikely anyone could just luckshit their way through. You probably get 1 callback if you have a good audition tape and then if you don't really have anything to show for your work you get a "thanks for applying, we'll be in touch if anything comes up" and the scouts move on to the next person. Someone like Selen could have probably sneaked into Gen 1, in Ame's spot, but Gen 2 competition was probably too hard for any miracles like that.

>Moona confirmed for the MC Portal relay
Could be big numbers

>>8078051
what exactly is the mc portal relay? the jp kensetsu companies doing some building relay collab? Or something on en? or both somehow?

>>8078647
I assume it will be a ceremony to connect EN and JP servers

>>8078813
Yh that much I could tell, I was asking for details. But im guessing we dont have any yet

I noticed that from the time Cover knew Coco was leaving, they have loosened many restrictions. Whether it be on collabs, or whatnot.

>>8079393
I don't think they would have ever let Ame do the 3D streams if Coco didn't leave.
Also using images off google suddenly became OK when Coco has said before that she had to buy the rights to a stock photo to use it for meme review before.

>>8079498
Marine seems a bit less restricted as well. Would actually be cool to see more interaction (even if in Minecraft) between EN and JP. I like Miko’s interaction with Gura in Minecraft.

>>8075938
>didn't stream for a few days buff,
I agree with the sentiment but… this isn’t a thing

>>8077144
I object. He's the leader of the knight at most. An emperor or an empress has yet to be seen.

>>8080175
Ya, it's moreso just Apex viewer churn. Kuzuha's viewcount bounces by 6-8k every 30 mins when he loses and starts a new match.

>>8075893
post baseball buff:
3hr/5hr/4.5hr stream vs 1.5hr/0.5hr/2.5hr stream
Even if their ccv are the same,Pekora will still have lower VOD.

>>8079663
If only coco stay for a little longer. It would be hilarious if she and gura/ame do the elite English lesson with miko. It would also be a great way for miko and ame/gura to get use to each other. I think the number would be pretty high for that kind of collab. Ame/gura trying to figure our elite English with coco throwing in some stupid interpretation of miko’s pronunciation.

Selen also gets a crazy amount of VOD views for her APEX streams in relation to her subs. She mogs several low tier holos. We at /alive/ subs in Nijisanji, holobronies.

>>8079393
>>8079498
>>8079498
>>8079663
Coco mentioned something and I dealt with it once in my professional life: she would ask for permission to for X / ask if doing Y was forbidden, got a straightforward answer
> yes, you can do X
> no, Y is not forbidden
and then she would find a loophole that allowed her to do whatever she knew didn’t really fit in X or Y but that she could claim it applied.

When that happened under my watch (in a completely different field) my reaction after being made a fool of one too many times by subordinates was to impose a simple straightforward rule that applied to all undeyings
>honor system for requests is over, everything needs a formal request
>requests must contain the full details of what’s being requested
>not securing explicit signed off permission means no permission

It fucking sucked for all parts involved but I couldn’t really just say
>employee A and only employee A needs explicit permission
>for everybody else is business as usual

When the same thing started happening with Coco and the other girls I ***immediately*** recognized the scenario.
Trust in your underlings is the most important thing when working in a multi tiered team.
When that is lost and a rule book needs to be written it fucking suck for all parties involved.

Interestingly enough Marine showed the proper way to get concessions

>can I have a bikini?
>sorry, no
>can I have a bikini under a jacket?
>n-no?
>it will show as much skin as Towa’s regular outfit
>then OK
No loopholes, no breach of trust, just good arguments to back your request

(Then there’s Haachama that just does whatever with zero regards)

>>8081560
Poor Roboco. 722k dedsubs.

>>8081560
The battle of low tier, and the winner is ... still a low tier.

>>8077746
Since when is 1k-2k avg viewers big to you guys?

>>8081762
2018 as an indie?

>>8081762
depends. since when are anons talking out of their ass who obviously don't even watch who they're talking about worth a (You) to you?

>>8081560
I surely hope your post punchline is “pic unrelated” because I genuinely positively absolutely would not believe that a 40k median VOD views for a week worth of VODs is being used to brag.

That’s “tallest midget” tier of cope. At very least use Kuzuha, the king of watched hours.

>>8081716
*The battle of someone with only 119k subs vs someone with almost a million: >>8081681

>>8081874
Didn't disagree, just telling the truth.

>>8081853
85k views for a regular APEX for someone with only 119k subs isn't impressive for you? You want her to get a million straight away? At least wait until she starts collabing with relevant APEX people.

>>8081874
There is no correlation between VOD views and subs, CCV and subs, Superchat and subs, no matter how tall you want to make your midget to look.

>>8081952
>5k views for a regular APEX for someone with only 119k subs isn't impressive for you?
yes, this is the numbers thread after all

>>8081952
Big numbers > small numbers. Don't even start with this relative numbers shit, that's how we get to gypsy number magic

>>8081952
>85k views for a regular APEX for someone with only 119k subs isn't impressive for you
Not really, see >>8081978. You’re just doing an end run and pretending
>VOD/subs
is the measure of something instead of being a cope.

There is zero correlation between VOD views and subs

>>8082051
>There is zero correlation between VOD views and subs
Lmao

using subs as a gauge for anything is retarded, it's a glorified bookmark.

>>8081952
Did you just try to make an argument for small numbers >big numbers in this sacred numbers thread?

>>8081952
VOD/sub... So a nobody with 1 VOD/1 sub can beat every top tier vtuber .

>>8082017
>>8082042
>>8082051
Cope because hololive has dedsubs from clipniggers in comparison. Selen already mogs Matsuri, Choco, Roboco, etc. She's gonna mog Towa soon as well at this rate.

>>8073534
Based

https://youtu.be/NLO5-IyS5pE
Some interesting info about youtube revenue in this video. TLDW: livestream VODs are the best way to earn money on youtube by a wide margin, more than superchats and normal ad revenue, thanks to youtube premium.

>>8081952
>85k VOD views for APEX
Its a small number relative to other numbers. All VTubers get compared to each other here pretty often. Its a number thread after all.

If you guys want to see someone REALLY pinching above his weight (instead of a midget fight), here it goes
>Emperor Shibuya Hal
Indie, humble, HUGE numbers. Most definitely not a midget but a GIANT

>>8082313
Towa with her 770k subs is not much higher to put things into perspective.

>>8082386
Only three to four times higher

>Bora Nun pulling 2k at these late hours
Gotta say I’m impressed.

fuwa, ibrahim and kuzuha spam weren't so good for business so now anon farming (You)s with shibuhal

>>8082518
Nah, I’m genuine in the praise. He really is that good numberwise

>>8082243
interesting. Thanks for the quick explaining it this time, I didnt watch it in your previous posts because I just had no idea what it was really about

>>8082431
Nope, it's not even twice as high for her APEX streams. Towa, Matsuri and Roboco absolutely have dedsubs in comparison. Selen can literally hit 100% of viewer to sub ratio given the right circumstances and she has never collabed with important APEX people unlike Towa and Matsuri.

>>8082591
You have no idea what he even says and are just cooming to numbers that you also still dont understand.

>>8072557
>you can get some money from somebody re-upload your contents
>engagement is more important than subscribers
>thumbnail and title are important
Well, that's interesting

>>8081560
>6hrs
no shit

>>8082720
>8hrs
thing about endurance stream is tat you recycle viewership most of the time.

>72K views for a members only livestream
jesas

>>8083037
>Shark cunny ASMR
ToT

>>8082720
Ok, i wanted to support your cause, because Selene is getting bigger numbers than her current sub count would indicated, But you just cherry picked like crazy
>Selene top 2 best performing vod
>vs some of Towa, Matsuri and Roboco's average, or even worst performing content
Holo fans don't like Apex, they tolerate it for the girls and there's a part of the audience that are just Apex fans that join in only for those. Selene is mostly known for Apex on the other hand.

Selene is like April-August 2020 Hololive, when their live and vod views were way higher than their sub count would on average get. She's still growing and will settle in eventually, way higher than 120k.

>>8083189
>But you just cherry picked like crazy
that's what the selen schizo does all the time

>>8083037
looks like all our estimates were wrong then lol

>>8082137
Is this the legendary nijiseethe?

>>8083189
Matsuri has MILLIONS of subscribers and she has leeched off a ton of relevant APEX figures, participated in big tourneys, etc while Selen has never done any of those things yet. There's no excuse for her to be getting less views under any circumstances.

>>8083037
So apparently if you're on the mobile app and add a member's only video on a playlist it shows you the data. Anyone membered to a bunch of vtubers wants to post some data for comparison?

>>8083037
Can someone explain this?!?

>>8081623
Honestly, based on her personality, Coco just doesn't fit for working under company and I think she realized that too. That's why she is graduated

>>8072557
Unironically the most successful 'Vtuber' video this month is all thumbnail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsOkHWCtjis

>>8083554
>So apparently if you're on the mobile app and add a member's only video on a playlist it shows you the data
Interesting

>>8072482
>NIMU
13k live viewers?
What?

>>8083037
>>8083554
Do you have to make a playlist for the data to be visible?
Don't see anything when viewing them normally.

I guess for checking the amount of views for member only streams, it’s important that the video be no longer than 1 month old. Because people come and go from memberships while watching older past videos.

>>8083907
>>8082529

>>8083851
She had 20k all last week, one anon explained why, i think it was after some drama but i wasn't paying attention really.
Good for her, that she's doing better on Twitch... genuinely that's where the bulk of Western Vtuber audience is, i think even Holo and Niji EN would do better if they consistently streamed there, even 2 times a week.

>>8083037
holy numbers
She's rich

>>8084005
She had 20k because she was in a collab with pretty big streamers

>>8083982
Thanks, just my dumbass fault for not reading the whole paragraph.

I have 45 memberships. Don't want to reveal any of the video titles of thumbnails since it is members only stuff, but i'll try it out for the data

>>8083851
Mexican vtubers inclining? Raking in the pesos? Time for Holo/Niji ES?

>>8084082
She is Argentinian

>>8081623
Your mostly right but it was after taiwan accident where they really started to buckle down and it showed in her content. Cause back in December she spoke about launching a new show to replace asacoco but she could never get it off the ground due to management new restrictions. The content they could not approve was what made her popular in the first place. So it lead to them basically neutering her channel content+ the zhang spam which lead to membership only chat. Pretty much killed her channel and only thanks to her graduation it managed to revive.

>>8083037
A lot of those will be repeats but it's still an impressive number.

>>8084082
>>8084163
Very risky to cater to ES crowds.
They gather for the meme, when something exciting is happening, but leave just as fast.

>>8083037
Gura’s “Oceanside Soft Talking” stream at 19k viewers is not even a month old yet, so that is a much better gauge of viewers than using a 5 month old stream. Although her 4 month stream at 72k viewers is impressive regardless.

>>8083550
>There's no excuse for her to be getting less views under any circumstances.
Hey Selen-schizo, here's one reason. Matsuri's fans don't like watching her play Apex, Selen's fans do. Matsuri's fans like watching her sing, play Minecraft, and talk, which is why she gets higher numbers on those than any stream Selen has ever done. Most importantly tho, Matsuri fans like watching her gamble. She made $41k this stream.

https://playboard.co/en/video/n7EE_wuGnc0

>>8084426
>>8083037
There was this 'calculated estimate' chart for membership from back in June floating around that had Gura at over 25k members, based on comments from unique account members in her chat.
considering inactive members, that would put her way over 25k current members.
I believe Watame was 2nd with 18k and Coco was close, though Coco definitely shot past 50k in her last month.

Can't get the keywords to find it again.

>>8083527
Nah, nothing legendary about niji chink leaf posting.

>>8084061
Not only this she got gifted a TON of subs so people flooded in to catch some gifteds.

>>8084582
Here was one of the charts (in pic). Only thing we know that can be counted for sure, is Gura getting 14k on a members only poll. Even checking VOD views on member only streams is less reliable than that.

>>8084706
1277 subs in 1 day is a lot, yeah
For this twitchtracker gives us all the data
https://twitchtracker.com/nimuvt/subscribers
She really only started streaming on Twitch regularly since April 1st, had about 6k average but hit big and peaked 25k last 2 streams
https://twitchtracker.com/nimuvt/streams

>>8072325
whys theres 2 Kuzuha on that list he only streamed once and Marine was in a collab stream? Should be like this

>>8084556
>play Minecraft
PFFFFHAHAHAHAHA OH NO NO NO

>>8084796
Thanks, i was way off in my numbers too.
Coco got 21k likes for her last Members only post, but i can imagine a lot of people wouldn't want to hit like on something like that.

>5K 1 hour before
Predictions?

>>8084907
carryover after 0:00 from yesterday's streams, Both Kuzuha and Ayame top streams are from Monday, it was a much better day numbers wise than than today.

>>8082502
she would have been pulling more but her stream went down and people moved to reids

>>8084949
I believe Coco mentioned having 15k members not too long ago, but it might have gone up since then from her graduation.

Numbers for these Collabs? Apex 4-6k, HanaLily Collab 2-4k

Also, Hakoz needs 400 subs left to become 100k in less than a day after reveal.

>>8084975
easy 30K

>>8084907
>>8084949
Oh, Marine, Haachama and Botan's too
Here's the piyo daily chart
https://piyo.chats.ninja/ranking/hourly/2021-08-17

>>8084975
God I hope she sings emo songs and not edged ones. 25-35k

>>8085069
Wow she beating ankimo already, next stop homos and choco sub

>>8085073
>>8085113
If she doesn't get at least 45k she's a failure and her viewers have decline.

>>8084975
32k.

>>8084913
As someone who find watching apex boring, I tuned out and unsubscribed from her a long time ago. I don't think I'm the only one.

>>8084975
35k like last time

on other news the EN2 girls are hitting 100k today most likely.
i think 200k before debut migght appen

>>8083982
This doesn’t work for me because i can’t see data of videos that way in general, is because I’m on an iphone

>>8085144
Under 30k for a karaoke would be bad for her. 30k is typical I believe.

>>8085144
nah, 100k or she needs to graduate

>>8085003
https://twitter.com/dipper_/status/1427759463792930820
should do what nips do. Only list them at the time they started on that day, no carryover for clearer ranking.

>>8084913
Literally a few days ago, you retard. But go ahead, pick one underperforming day when she overlapped with a bunch of Holos over months of data.

>>8085242
Yeah... Gura the biggest vtuber failure.

>>8085259
low holos do pretty well when they dont overlapp
aki, matsuri, luna, mel all hit decent 5k if they stream before JP primetime.

>>8085246
I think the way piyo does it is better, since it lists highest value per hour, so the same stream won't have the same stats if it passes one day to the next but we can still compare it to everything it was running against at the time.
Plus, some streams actually last 24 hours.
https://piyo.chats.ninja/ranking/hourly/2021-08-17

>>8085185
>today
that`s sunday 22 (jst morning) / saturday 21 night (usa), what they meant by debuting today was activities on twitter

>>8085069
By the time I posted this, hakos was at 99.6k now she's at 99.9k

>>8084913
This is what happens when your ignore current fans and fail to make much of a positive impression with apex-centric fans. The yabs dont help either

Here it is.

>>8085259
>>8085422
>muh overlap
COPEEE the decline is because of her yab you retards. Those streams were getting mass-disliked and now the dislikes have stopped for the most part because people stopped watching her. Sorry Matuli, you'll be below Selen in viewers forever now.

>>8085634
Oh shit, nijiEN month worth working beaten by -

>>8085185
>i think 200k before debut migght appen
I don't see how 200k isn't happening, they're getting 100k now in a day and they won't debut until sunday.

>>8085481
sure its better but like I said list them only that day they streamed.

>>8085634
Great numbers so far for HoloCouncil, but it seems IRyS having a solo debut had it's advantages because she reached more than 220k after 1 day, while EN2 is reaching around 100k each one on first day.

>>8085535
100k!
Let's congratulate our rat girl for reaching 100k milestone first in her gen! It also took less than 1 day (about 22 and a half hours).

>>8085669
Owl and clock are probably crossing it in the next 2-3 hours. Hakos definitely has a shot at 200k or at the least passing all of NijiEN before debut.. All 5 are definitely crossing 150k with Sana probably just about getting there on the last day.

>>8085634
The rat has risen to the top of Gen 2

>>8084975
30k, themed karaokes bring good numbers, but they do poorly compared to regular karaokes.

>>8082243
This is fascinating and actually directly at odds with what others like Hal have claimed in the past. But the Spiffing Brit seems like a reliable source on this. It puts Kiara and Watame’s absolutely bonkers stream length in perspective. The Brit though his 3.5 he Rimworld stream was “long” and it’s his most profitable video. Kiara had back to back 12 hour streams her watch time is likely higher than you would expect based on ccv/subs.

I wonder if premium is just more common in NA vs Japan. Given ad rates I always mentally write off VOD revenue but this explains a lot and means it shouldn’t be casually dismissed. Hololive in general combined moderate views with huge watch time/video length.

>>8085634
The second fastest of all time ( after IRyS)

8/1 - 8/17 JST Median views (number of streams)
>Marine 48,172 (6)
>Kuzuha 35,763 (8)
>Pekora 29,675 (22)
>Gura 16,994 (10)
its over chumbuds and nousagis... Kuzuha is too strong

>>8086014
Clearly small girls are powerful. But why only one? And she's not even gura small.

>>8086331
Oh nyo~ Anyway
>>8086014
If this rat is a pro Minecraft gamer, she could be the Pekora of EN

>>8086397
If she were a loli she wouldn’t get any credit for her accomplishments.

>>8084284
nimu is being very popular among the largest Spanish-speaking streamers in addition to being among the fastest growing streamers on twitch, its current numbers are not surprising and will tend to rise

>>8086331
Captain Marine i kneel

>>8086331
Looks like Marine's buff month was stronger than Kuzuha's buff month.

>>8072482
>>8086488
Are you sure she wasn't raided though? Her previous number is nowhere near that.

Is there any SC median or VOD median per stream? Or stream time median per stream?

>>8086671
playboard, though the numbers come across as a bit wonky at times.
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UC1DCedRgGHBdm81E1llLhOQ
Also, Jesus Aki, change your channel name already. Mogged by the inactive 2nd channel

>>8086488
CHINGA TU MADRE NIMU

>>8086574
Yes, but actually no.
Yes, because number say so.
No, because it's only a middle of a month. You can say that Marine's buff 2 weeks were stronger than Kuzuha's, and that would be completely true.

Remember that the incoming EN Gen 2 for Holo might increase the numbers for Gen 1, at least initially. As it draws interest.

Finana has inclined. She was struggling to reach 1k before and now she gets 2k+ easy. I thought HoloEN2 was going to make NijiEN irrelevant? Looks like they are helping instead.

>>8087280
She's been inclining ever since Pomu's hiatus and playing Nekopara, both in SCs and live viewers. Nothing to do with HoloEN

>>8087280
Raising tide lifts tug boats as well as aircraft carriers.

>>8086621
just checked, she did get raided, to a 25k peak (probably by the big guys she had collabed with). The 13k is organic though
https://twitchtracker.com/nimuvt/streams/43303052573

>>8087280
>I thought HoloEN2 was going to make NijiEN irrelevant?
Anon… They didn’t debut yet…

>>8087179
I am not a holofag, but If I was one, then I after Gen 2 debut I would watch them instead of Gen 1.

>>8087179
>HoloEN only incline when theres an event like new gen debut or costume reveal
Literally NijiJP of the west

>>8076708
I don't care about the rest but Pomu earned more than Ame and Ina last month while getting to interact with senpai she loves, collab with a gen with actually good chemistry and not having to worry as much about insane unicorns and moronic managers, I'm sure she feeling perfectly happy with fewer dead subs

>>8087280
what you talking about
she alwasy hit 2k if she isnt ultra debuffing herself with VN, the problem is she takes 1-2 hrs to do it. That is FAR from easy.
She and pomu are the same boat numberwise

>>8087280
>buff game
nijiEN is inclining!
>debuff game
complete silence

What's the waiting number of Gura's previous karaoke?

>>8087442
Lmao, fcking holo tourists.