/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

HoloEN is more of a side project that has fewer allocated resources, Cover is a japanese company after all. But I am strongly in the opinion that given enough time Sana and rat will find their groove and prove to be worthy additions. The other three are utterly unremarkable.

According to ENbros it'll take about a year for en2 to be watchable. Apparently it takes YEARS for a group of people to form bonds, even though jp's can do it in about a month's time. Want some copium btw?

>>8516472
In terms of overall talents, sana is the only one that has one and she won't show it, so that's a a very obvious downgrade in that regard.
In terms of personality sana is unique but even more grating than kiara, rat is very promising and the others are attractive but generic and bland for now.
In terms of content I have no idea but mumei could be good in the games choice, fauna's asmr might be good but understanding the words could be a big debuff for me and if she actually speedruns she could be a great, Koronii has good VA talent so if she puts effort and makes use of it she could be good.
Overall each EN1 had multiple talents and their personality were very unique, content is probably where EN2 could surpass EN1, but for now, EN2 is not what I expected from a 5k? audition result, not better than EN1, but at the very least pros or ultra unique personality or great humor.
EN1 9/10
EN2 6~7/10

>>8516472
>They're not bad but it's not what I expect from the company that has the titans of the industry
Lol, dude, that's the dumbest shit I ever heard. Hololive has like 3 - 5 superstar talents and the rest are average, they have the most exposure and have tons of sub counts that barely mean anything because only like 20% even watch regularly. EN2 is so far exactly what I expected, with Sana and rat surprising me by being more interesting an much less cringe than I thought they'd be.

>>8516472
>Are my standards too high?
No, and don't let anyone convince you to accept lower standards

>>8516472
>They're not bad but it's not what I expect from the company that has the titans of the industry
They put too much priority on numbers and multilinguals instead of personality.

>>8519606
You're not wrong in that most of holo JP is average but that's only if you compare them to other JP companies, if you compare HoloEN to the holoJPs, the JPs are leagues and leagues above all of them, even choco who you barely hear about is prety funny whenever I catch her collabs with another member. I guess this is because the JP scene is so ridicously oversaturated that only the best of the best get to join big companies like holo, niji or 774

>>8520812
The EN vtubing scene is so underdeveloped that there's no logic to anything right now.

I mean Gen1 where all so high spec that it made JP Gen5 depressed. There was no way EN2 could live up to that

And people were expecting EN2 auditions to be more competitive than EN1 lmao

Jp management does true talent scouting, they find hidden gem after hidden gem almost flawlessly, while EN management are probably some greedy american businesmen who can't disntinguish anything besides numbers.

>>8516472
Tell me how I can tell this is your first debut season?

>>8521672
This. EN management probably threw out more than half of the applicants because they were only going off of numbers (and Ina's nepotism) this time. The audition form itself asked how many peak viewers you've had during a stream. Not sure if EN1 specifically asked for that info.

>>8521672
I agree, though i think en talents are worse overall
But going for these huge established content creators is just a surefire way to grab all the crazies, theyre actively grabbing people who 1. have the most followers 2. actively stream
on the jp side theres content creators but they don't just grab whoever has the biggest numbers, they actually care about the content
but i dont like any of en so whatever i guess, like if youre into gura and ame and the racist reaper they are just not watchable for me and i cant get through the metric tons of cake they have to put on to play their character as the strongly opinionated american millenials they are so obviously en2 too was a flop for me

>>8522214
Problem cover has is anyone who has very high numbers is going to be doing too well to think ditching it all to work for cover is a good deal.
They're not getting another Gura.

So they have to hit the ones who show potential but haven't hit it big.

>>8521954
not OP but I was in EN1 debut stream and nijiEN's, and I at that time was very much sceptical of the idea of an EN branch, "western woman" just made me cringe, but EN1 was so good and I opened up to the fact that some are still good, my assumptions about western woman were mostly right, but that applied to vtweeter woman. Also I don't care what the reason behind the scenes is, they just need to do better next time, right now IRyS is their last semi-worthy hire from the 5k? auditions.

>>8521954
I've been watching since gen 4, but wouldn't someone who just watched these debuts like them instead? They don't have anything to compare them to so they must seem great in the eyes of an actual newfag

>>8516472
You just have a complex, dude. JPs seem better because you've romanticized the Japanese side of it.

>>8516472
Already high spec content creators realized they don't need any company to debut as vtubers and no one good applied.

>>8524671
t. EOP

It's been only a day since debut and you no-lifers are questioning your miserable existences. Maybe let them stream for a couple weeks before you blow your brains out.

>>8516472
Let's see
>boyfriend debuff
>model debuff
>literally Ollie 2.0 debuff
>literally Mori 2.0 debuff
>boyfriend debuff
It wasn't their fault, is the most debuffed gen in hololive

>>8524671
JP is definitely better than anyone in EN1.

>>8516472
EN always been a mistake

EN gen 2 is cringe but they were cast to appeal to zoomers and reddit types

>>8517162
My thoughts exactly

>>8525149
This is not an argument since none of them will change or improve, and that's because all of the EN's fanbases coddle and enable their current personalities. You won't get a korone or pekora situation where they completely rebounded because literally no one outside of this site is shitting on them, it's pure praise. The girls that got up from their shitty debuts did extensive research and egosa and tried to improve themselves to find their niche, why would the ENs do that when their fans love them for anything they do? They won't feel like they need to improve since they aren't receiving criticism anywhere

>>8517162
Why the rrat? I really didn't see anything special and don't know nothing of her past life to rise some interest like with Mumei

>>8516472
What exactly were you expecting? Renaissance artists, literal opera singers, and esports pros? What are your standards?

>>8526098
I saw ambition.

>>8526260
Entertaining people
>entertainment is subjective
If you understand japanese and you don't think most of the JPs are more entertaining you have just have bad taste
>literal opera singers
I wouldn't mind another moona desu, as long as she's as autistic as her

>>8526673
Go ahead and expand further on what you think entertaining is supposed to mean

>>8523366
They compare the fully fledged vtuber to the one who just arrived. Reminds me of when EN started and a lot of JP supremacists were throwing around that they weren't as smooth as say, Fubuki or Korone, but anyone who can watch their first streams know it didn't go smoothly at all.

>>8525910
Sounds like you have a responsibility to tear these girls to shreds. For their own good, of course. Go get em big guy.

>>8526895
Actually, let me just straight up spoon-feed the fubuki intro video.
https://youtu.be/X53mU_mxCDQ

NijiEN already swiped up all the good talents and going by the gen 3 rrats they're swiping up all the remaining talent too.
It is kind of shitty that 2/5 of HoloEN are nepotism hires though. Like they couldn't even be bothered to pick up actual entertainers?

>>8526673
>I wouldn't mind another moona desu, as long as she's as autistic as her
https://files.catbox.moe/v1wt2n.mp4
https://twitter.com/HanaFlo_Kawaii/status/1405786005970591747
Reminder both of these people got rejected by Hololive for EN1.

>>8525910
It's funny how your expectations are the unreasonable ones yet you are so up your own ass you think people are being unreasonable.
When a new class starts, you don't give them the senior's test and expect them to nail it. People have different expectations from veterans and newbies.

>>8527205

>>8516472
Just empty your brain, lower your standards, and you will be happier.

>>8526743
Can be funny on the spot, has good energy, has a lot of topics and good stories to talk about, always improvising (or just make a really good script). This is why marine is so popular, why subaru's zatsudans are so popular, why pekora is one of the top streamers worldwide, they are excellent entertainers. Now those are the top examples but mostly everyone in holoJP are very good entertainers as well, I mentioned choco being funny before so here's the evidence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tPhcc1Z28I
To choco this was a completely imprompted collab, and she handled it absolutely perfectly and even made it better than just playing the joke straight. Now there are some outliers in holoJP too, someone like roboco is not particularly a good entertainer (I like her a lot though). And to compare the ENs, sana is the one I think is at least trying to be entertaining and I like her the most from the gen for that, rrat can get better too, but the other 3 aren't even trying, they're just being themselves and not trying to entertain their audience, Ceres might just be an ASMR vtuber but compare her to Noel and noel is an amazing entertainer while being an ASMR specialist, Kronii sounds like the most bored person in the world 90% of the time and mumei is... just there I guess, there's absolutely nothing remarkable about her

This is the face where she realized she fucked up.

>>8526673
So you don't think anyone that went through the effort to learn Japanese might have some implicit bias?

>>8526895
>>8527300
All of Gen 5 were excellent from their debut and only got better. And I'm not being that unreasonable, this is a fucking dream job, one of the best possible jobs they'll ever get in their lives, joining hololive is basically a lottery ticket to a succesful life even if you graduate after 1 year, your clout will follow you forever, is it really unreasonable to expect that the talents are excellent when thousands of incredible people should be auditioning?

>>8527205
So sad Hana graduated, her voice was beautiful

>>8527601
Except people called Lamy boring, Nene struggled with being nervous, people complained about Botan's voice and brought up roommate shit about her looks.

>>8526345
I hope she use that energy to build EN into JP of the west and not some tag-on for JOPs/JP fans to follow on the side. I know some will prefer that but I might have to go to NijiEN or Vshojo if that's the case. Bae is high spec though I'm holding on for now to see what route she takes

>>8516472
Potential > Talent when it comes to Cover's scouting. When EN1 came out, they really didn't have anything to offer, maybe except Mori's rapping. Ina could draw, which is the same for Sana. Gura could sing, and that was it. Kiara and Ame were dark horses.
But that was the time when the EN scene was still growing. Your expectations were just too high.

>>8527444
And I think you have literally nothing to base this off of considering they all only just debuted and didn't even have the chance to showcase what you're asking for. By this point in time for EN1, the only thing Gura had was a decent rendition of Ride on Time, and Amelia just had a cringe as fuck debut. Well look at them now.
Clearly the people actually doing the picking have their own set of criteria, and clearly they saw something in these five girls in particular, out of all the thousands of applicants they got. Unless of course, you want to argue that your standards should be preferable to theirs.

>>8526260
People who play fucking video games

This is just another thread filled with yet another entitled faggot OP who thinks he has people figured out after watching them literally debut.

>>8526673
>If you understand japanese and you don't think most of the JPs are more entertaining you have just have bad taste
That's just your yellow fever talking and >>8527444 proves it. They are all about as entertaining as any other women talking over a microphone for money, so you finding them making forced reactions or exaggerating events that may or may not have happened as "funny" in one language but not the other is all on you. The JP branch is also much bigger so there are a lot more combinations for interactions so you only get the illusion that the JPs are "more entertaining" because your weaboo ass wants to self-felate over an N4 (at best) understanding of Japanese whenever you hear two of them talking to/about each other. Marine is popular because she's a slut. Pekora, the reddit rabbit, is the Gura of Japan. Subaru's zatsudans are "popular" because that's all she has.

>>8528107
I wouldn't know because I don't know what the other applicants are like, maybe they ARE the absolute best cover could get and the EN scene is just a fucked up mess but they are simply not up to the standards of vtubers compared to the jp scene, not just hololive but in general. And EN gen 1 was forgiven for their shitty debuts because they were rushed as fuck since it was to blow out Aloe's graduation, so it was understandable that their first weeks were awful, EN 2 doesn't have that excuse, literally all of the material they have shows that they had a fuckton of time to prepare, and all they have to show are these bland debuts? Sana had an interesting intro to say the least, hako tried to gimmick but it wasn't a good one, ceres and mumei's were the blandest and safest possible, and kronii's was legit insulting, I can't believe she was ok with debuting like that. But to be fair the JPs don't do anything fancy with their debuts, but considering the reward you get just from getting on hololive and specially the EN branch right now I was expecting more from them

EOP chama I'm not even gonna bother responding to that

>>8527601
wdf are you on, gen5 was the most scuffed gen to debut that literally pulled themselves up out of a nosedive through sheer will of wanting to stay a vtuber. One genmate gets doxxed and graduates immediately, Nene design was for CN audience and took months to get changed after the branch got btfo and didnt' settle in for a long time, Botan attracts eastern EU audience, and Lamy goes on hiatus 2 months after debut. Only person to stay strong was Polka and most likely because she's already had a long career as a vtuber in previous lives and had already been through the ups and downs.

>>8528581
The fact that they were cursed is irrelevant, the point was that they were entertaining from their first streams, even aloe showed a lot of her personality just in her debut

>>8528704
>they were always great
No, only 2/5 of them were entertaining since the beginning. It took forever for the other 2 to catch up

>>8528924
Mathchama...

>>8525910
By niche you mean that one joke their chat made so that they can use it for the 1000th time?
Only a handful of them can entertain consistently the other ones are full of dead air in their actual streams. May I dare to ask you to watch Nijisanji because they blow them out of the water in terms of content

>>8528924
I'm gonna assume that you mean botan and lamy were the other 2. I'll admit lamy took a while to catch up but botan had a really good start, unless you happen to dislike lmao weed jokes and gamer humor

>>8516472
come home to ID western man

>>8522400
Cover acting like fucking Vince McMahon with not wanting anyone becoming bigger than the brand

>>8516472
I want to know how Cover missed out on scouting the nijiEN girls, how do Elira/Pomu/Selen not meet the criteria? I'm actually shocked they flew under the radar.

>>8527601
Gen 5 got like several extra months to bond with each other and get to know one another due to their delay. Also that Gen is the most scuffed cursed ass gen to date. One got insta graduated, Nene doxxed everyone, People memed on Botan for being ugly and old, and people found Lamy boring as fuck.

>>8529082
I watch nijis, I adore the new wave, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think that about half of nijisanji is average or mediocre, they have too many members and it's just that the good ones really stand out

>>8528997
His math is correct though. Is the last one still exist?

>>8527444
Bro at this same time span, Gen 1 for EN was a disaster. Ame had one of the worst debuts in Hololive history, Ina was boring as sin and could only draw, Kiara was a mess who kept translating every single sentence she said while trying to be pure idol, Mori was a cringelord awkward mess with a dumpster fire pc that couldn't handle her model so she moved at 2 FPS, and Gura was mostly fine. Like, take off your rose tinted glasses for a moment. EN Gen 1 was in a horrible place at start too.

>>8529392
Well, in my heart

Most of these fags who say JP>EN only watch clips of holojp.

>>8516472
I think it's a case of too high expectations. Given their applicant number it does make one wonder how could this really be the cream of the crop. Also given their supposed past lives.

>>8529275
>The Nijisanji EN girls
>Finana
Yeah anon, I bet Cover really wanted a turbo dyke Vshojo reject who constantly talks about her sex toys and shoving a vibrator in her mouth.

>>8529448
I've never said the opposite, but since they were rushed out of the door out of nowhere because of aloe, I can see why their debuts were so awful. And I'll honestly take ame's scuffed debut anyday over kronii's

>>8528704
People clowned on Botan for being a 40 year old uggo, everyone found Lamy to be I sleep tier, and Aloe got fucking obliterated out of existence like a week in. Polka was already entertaining due to her roommate's past experience being a fairly large vtuber, and Nene was a nervous mess who got stuck with a chink outfit right before the China shit show.

>>8529586
We don't even know how long EN gen 2 got to know each other. Gen 5 was so close cause they got several extra months to bond due to the delay in their debut. Hell EN gen 1 still have awkward issues with one another. Gura still mostly just collabs with Ina and Ame, and Mori and Kiara's whole gimmick got mogged by Mori collabing with Milky. People still give EN Gen 1 shit for being awkward a year in.

>>8529275
The hiring management was never good, a lot of the JP talents beyond Gen0 were pretty much nepotism hires. EN management probably has the same problem. hooking friends and family up with jobs. Just watch out for the death spiral.

>>8529275
>How'd cover miss them
You are aware that like 70% of the talent in HoloJP were nepotism hires right?

all I see is games, games, games, ex esport, games, games, games. Even in NijiJP all their entertaining streamers are the non gamer type.

>>8529808
EN management is retarded if they don't make them socialize months before, it's already a proven success with how tight gen 5 started

>>8525910
I remember when Pekora was a shit streamer until she looked up some 4chan shitposts and learned how to be funny

>>8530011
Gen 5 the exception you do realize that right? They got several extra months to bond with each other due to their debut getting postponed. Why do people keep bringing up gen 5 as if that's the normal fucking Gen debut experience.

>>8529310
So you do watch them huh? If you're not a clip watcher why are you pretending if Kanata/Watame/Luna talk in English you wouldn't found it shit. Some of the earlier gens are uninspiring too but I won't name them to hurt people's feeling here.

>>8530081
If they were the exception they should become the norm, group bonds are absolutely important if you're going to release people in a gen, if gen 5 got 3 months to socialize with each other give every gen some months to socialize, EN 1 got fucked in that regard since they were inmediately released after gen 5 but EN had a fuckton of time since their auditions, unless they were ridicously slow the talents should have been set in stone since months ago so they could have given them time to talk to each other

>>8529275
Because they came from the same indie circle, and their audiences overlap a lot. A high floors - low ceilings case. Guaranteed decent numbers, but not a good first pick to penetrate the market.
Even the third wave indicated that they've recruited someone from that same indie circle again.

>>8530348
Again, based on what we know, Gens aren't given much time to get to know each other. They are sort of just thrown together once they are finalized and are forced to grow a bond over time. Sometimes you get lucky and have cases like Gura and Ame being friends back in their past lives, or Korone and Okayu fucking each other before they joined Hololive, but that's not always the case. Some gens take a lot longer to grow synergy than others.

>>8529565
>Turbo dyke
Wouldn't that be idea for cover? if they are lesbain, that means no need to worry about them having boyfriends/fucking guys. It pretty much removes the nuclear yab off the table entirely.

>>8529275
just curious were they around when hololive did an audition for holoen1?
https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1253249150533029888
it was a month long audition april to may.
I know indie pomu debuted around july-september.

>>8530643
I thought Finana was openly bi?

>>8530803
nta, and I'm not sure about Selen, but Pomu/Elira/Finana all applied for HoloEN1 and were passed over (I think this is when Pomu and Elira met each other online, although could have been earlier). In Pomu's case, it was because she had no streaming nor content creation experience. She debuted as an indie in July to get that experience.

>>8531575
> it was because she had no streaming nor content creation experience. She debuted as an indie in July to get that experience.
exactly. idk why people are shocked that hololive passed them over someone like Ame who was one of the old ENvtubers. I mean do you accept people who graduated straight from college without at least experience working (retail, etc), internship experience or some github/portfolio?

>>8517162
I agree entirely

>>8519923
>never appreciate simple pleasures.
>continue to alienate everything so you never have to be responsible for anything
I see how it is.

>>8527465
They don't actually track emotions do they?
I thought it was manually activated

>>8516472
The biggest problem is the forced lore, I think. I don't really know what the series is about. it's more fun if lore naturally develops.

As for the talents, it's just too early. Give them a week of streaming to get out some content.

>>8519282
People can have issues with Kiara all they want, but her hosting abilities and japanese is damn good. There is no real weak link in EN1.

>>8516472
How about you at least let them stream more than once before making this elaborate shitpost.

>>8516472
>Are my standards too high?
yes

>>8516472

A friend of mine makes waifu art on the side for money and said all of holo en 2 looks overdesigned. So no you are not the only one. But hololive gets away with this shit anyway because whos going to stop them.

>>8516472
>Hololive
>high standards
Lmao. Watch more chuubas outside Hololive.