/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Previous thread for reference >>861185

>>885477
Not even the best thread
>>860990

So what, he tried to ask for a bigger cut and denied? This is it?

>>891250
He wanted Marine to sit on his dick.

P/s:
This thread is filled with misinformation and lies.
This is literally character assasination!
Don't trust what people said in this thread.
Stop attacking an individual when you are hiding behind anonymity.

>>891348
Can't blame him if true

>>891373
Seethe harder

>>891373
ching chong bing bong

>>891373
Okay Mizuryu.

>>885436
Still seething because he didn't want to deal with your black company anymore?

>>891562
Chang = mad.

>>891562
>NOOOOOOOO YOU WONT LET ME GET SEXY WITH ANY OF THE GIRLS YOURE A BLACK COMPANY REEEEEEEEE

He's gonna make some pretty fucked up vtuber corruption stuff next, isn't he?

>>891723
I hope so

>>891723
Of course, gotta get all that seethe out somehow

>>891723
it'll be pretty hilarious if we get something like this again
>>/jp/thread/S28223627#p28223754

>>891723
Pretty fucking meta i would say

>>891995
Holy shit that fucking cope though

>>892125
Cope is the only thing the chinks still had.

>>892160
Where can I mine all this fucking copium?

>>891995
the amount of cope from that was incredible

>>892215
If you speak chink, it's everywhere. Seriously they have twitter groups, githubs and other shit dedicated to trying to shit on hololive.

>>891250
According to his own deleted tweets, one or more of the following happened:

1. He was asked to stop selling ero doujinshi of Holomem. Not stop producing it, only stop selling it.
2. He was not allowed to associate Marine publicly.
3. The work load was more than he expected and demanded more pay and didn't get it.

>>891348
Probably they said no because Marine wanted it as well.

>>891373
Taiwan number 1

>>891348
I mean, who doesn't?

>>891373
>Implying 4chan isnt a shill central back by corps since a billion years ago.

>>891373
Ok Risu, but only because you asked nicely.

>maybe if I bitch about it on twitter Cover will give me royalties from the whole project too. Will you anons support me?

>>885436
Who tf is Mizuryu?

>>894200
This is the funniest shit ever.

>>894363
Exactly

>>893254
lol no, she unfollowed him after the drama.

>>884021
from last thread

>>894502
how do you fuck up this bad

Leave him be, artists become retard when they work too hard. Ya"3 weeks"goo just let him calm down and will talk again. If he want to come back then good for him, otherwise just continue as freelancer.

>>894902
Being a whiny bitch is considered unattractive, who knew.

>>891373
The thread had even barely started zhang

>>892381
>the workload
Should've read the contract

>>894200
people just post this rrat unaposed lmao
that twitter account is already sus

ITT: Defending a fake soulless corp like Cover

>>895452
t. zhang

>>895452
read
>>894711

Fuck chinks

>>895383
except nobody who looked into that stream is actually able to deny it. Not even the chink mods.

>>895499
Why would anyone follow that made up narrative

>>895452
hey whats up guys its chilongqua here once again best zhang this world has ever fucking seen

I don't really see anything wrong that he asked for more cut, considering how huge Hololive is. Artists are known for being paid like shit so I'm surprised that people are actually siding with the corporation rather than the artist. The only thing he did wrong really was how he sperged on twitter.

>>895527

This is fucking 4chan lmao. Same site with that still uses and believes /pol/ anything. Either laugh at this bullshit or just leave.

>>895508
no one can deny anything because nothing official was released, hence rrat

>>895478
>>895499
>>895552

>>895578
he was fine with for 6 months lol, until he saw how popular it became once HoloAlt was announced. His saw his initial bet was shit, tried to demand more, and was told to fuck off instead kek.

>>895618

Hey, let them have their stupidity in peace. They can't amount to anything anyway

don't forget to claim your social credit on your way out

I cringe everytime I see this dudes art. Good riddance

Support better stuff than anything of this in this thread.

>>895578
Cause he was fine when he thought it wouldn’t be anything big and then wanted more when he realized how excited people were.

>>895700
>Support better stuff than anything of this in this thread.

>>895679

HL right now and forever:

https://youtu.be/mtfiaqJXD2A

>>895700
okay zhang

>>895719

ESL doesn't watch Vtuber shit. Just bad anime lol

>>895739
>>895742

>>895578
I imagine people would be siding with him more if he'd made a more sympathetic case publicly than just having a shit-fit like this.

Negotiations and diplomacy are apparently not his forte.

>>895763
>ESL doesn't watch Vtuber shit
>im-fucking-plying
Considering the certified SEAniggers and other ESLs who come shitposting around here, they sure as hell exist and definitely watch vtubers.

>>895763
>ESL doesn't watch Vtuber shit
Go to any vtuber stream right now and most of the English comments are probably ESLs

>>895578
He probably seen no potential in Hololive since 6 months ago Niji is still more popular, then gen 4 and EN blow everything up he relized he should have sign for a bigger cut

>>894200
>be japanese porn artist
>get obsessed with a 28 year old woman pretending to be an anime pirate on youtube
>spend several hundreds trying to get her attention
>one day Cover approaches you asking if you want to draw an official web manga of your her as part of a multimedia project
>sign up immediately
>the initial reception to the project teaser is overwhelmingly positive
>realize there is a lot of money to be made from this
>despite already singing a contract start demanding a higher pay rate and royalties for the entire project
>get told to fuck off
>throw a massive bitchfit on twitter
>immediately start backpedaling when people start calling you an unprofessional manchild
>your chinese translator suddenly makes a guerrilla stream on your bilibili channel saying how Cover wronged you
>all the chinese spammers rally behind you and you now become the public face of Cover hate
>meanwhile on the other side of the world people are digging through your old stuff and find out you are a Nanking Massacre denier and immediately post that shit everywhere
>end up having to make an apology stream on bili saying how it's all a misunderstanding
>you have now burned all the bridges, ended up in every company's blacklist and everyone hates you
Bravo

>>895822
If he just did the normal thing professionals do which is just saying they parted ways, everyone would nonstop be shitting on cover. Instead he continually did the dumbest shit.

>>895879
imagine totally blowing a chance to get closer to your oshi

>>892381
His deleted tweets did not imply that he was told to stop selling anything.
He disavowed holos on general, so he removed all of his holo products. There is no evidemce to suggest, that Cover demanded, before or after he was fired.

>>885436
>Hololive starts looking for an artist for their new project
>some of the holo talents recommend an artist who has drawn doujins of them before and seems to be a fan
>cover, favouring nepotism more than actual talent hires the artist
>artist works for half a year hoping to build better relationships with the holos he admires
>cover continually prevents him from getting too close to them
>artist tweets dissatisfaction on being unable to sail on the same ship as her
>initial reception to the announcement very positive. There is no turning back now
>ego inflates
>demands special time with her
>rejected

>I'M NEVER WORKING WITH THESE SLUTS AGAIN!

Why are there so many bugmen in this thread?

>>895961
hive like mind

>>895961
IDK but all of them are showing no energy.

>>895961
Mizuryu's staff streamed asking for help on bilibili (but accidentally let out more information than they should have lol)

>>885436
38 years old btw.

>>891373

>>896023
heard he's pretty handsome too

>>895961
They need to defend their new hero: the nanking denier

>>895578
A contract is a contract my dude. You get what you signed up for. If Cover had welched on their end he would have taken them to court instead of sperging on Twitter.

>>895739
Please anon. Do not bring this evil here after so many anons gave their lives to seal it away.

>>896092
Just don’t tell Pooh that they’re supporting a Nanking denier, they might get harvested.

>>896092
>new hero: the nanking denier
I actually laughed harder than I should've. Thank you Anon.

>>896092
When I read about the Nanking massacre, I started to jerk off, because it was so hot. God I wish I was a japanese solider there, defiling cunny both young and younger, with the bros. Fucking based event if you ask me.

Imagine getting disowned by your oshi.
Muzuryu on suicide watch.

>>896566
He'll just switch oshis. Not like there aren't more out there.

>>896566
>frogposter
Fuck off.

>>891373
>NOOOO ACCEPT THE NARRATIVE AND SHUT UP NOOO

>>896608
But he wanted that one.

>>896609
Seething

>>896531
No wonder you had to imagine it

Imagine being a successful doujin artist, only to destroy your whole career in a single day, all because you were horny for a 2D pirate.

>>895879
This man just can't stop winning.

>>896947
Actually, if he was guided by the horny, he wouldn't have risked losing this contract for a couple extra % on royalties. He would have taken any pay to stay on and potentially get closer to Marine.

It's not that he was too horny, it was that he wasn't horny enough.

>>897025
Being horny is what got him the contract in the first place, though.

>>897025
We are born of the horny, made men by the horny, undone by the horny; Fear the horny.

>>891373
>P/s:
This thread is filled with misinformation and lies.
This is literally character assasination!
Don't trust what people said in this thread.
Stop attacking an individual when you are hiding behind anonymity.

>>897048
He should have done nofap because his horny didn't carry him for long enough.

>>897025
>It's not that he was too horny, it was that he wasn't horny enough.
the real reason why Senchou unfollowed him

Quick, someone draw a doujin, where Kei gets close to Marine, but then throws a tantrum and gets dumped, and then Marine calls her, and starts a video chat, where she is getting fucked hard by Yagoo, and Kei just watches that, cries and jerks off.

I stay away from /vt/ for 2 days just to wake up to new drama. Can we have ONE week without the happenings

>>897118
No.

>>897118
the community is infested with schizos, so no

>>897118
What drama did we have last week?

>>897118
>Can we have ONE week without the happenings
It will be pretty boring then.

Will his career be over? Shame I love his pron mango.

>>897212
Magnet death

>>897294
He'd still be doing porn because it's completely self published, and he'll have to because there's no way any company will go near him now.

>its another cover totally did nothing wrong episode

>>897309
Oh yeah, I forgot.

I’d actually respect him more if he tried to demand a meeting with Marine and got the boot as a result instead of him being a greedy dumbass trying to force a contract renegotiation. What a retard.

>>897335
>cover causes a zhang civil war
Damn right they did nothing wrong

>>897364
Shill

>>895552
Based dotard. Still the best fucking player this world has ever fucking seen.

>>897335
Considering absolutely no details other than rrats, we can only judge what actually happened: Kei acting like a faggot on twitter.

>>897323
But isn't the dream of every doujin artist, to break into the mainstream with a proper work, and to leave the porno behind? No matter how many fans fap to your work, it will never be the same as making those big bucks, and getting that international love, like you would get with a proper manga and a tv series.

>>897382
Chink

>>897450
Same shit.

>>885436
Jesus Christ, is this place with unironic Cover shills? These are the same people who will laugh at “starving artists”

>>896947
>destroy your whole career
Imagine thinking he won't get any more work. No such thing as bad publicity so this will just help him.

>>897493
Make that the entire board.

>>897432
I mean Cover isn't the only corporation out there and people saying no other company will take him isnt true at all.

>>897493
I mean even if he were right throwing a tantrum on twitter is not the way to go about this.

>>897493
I laugh at any artist who gets served a steak dinner and sends it back with demands for a full course meal instead. Artists are mostly fickle, depressive, overly emotional shits anyway. Dealing with them is like trying to handle explosives.

this whole board is just Yagoo samefagging arguing with himself

>>897554
>tantrum
Did he though? Just said he was distancing himself from hololive and to buy stuff before he takes it off.

>>897554
>Implying it doenst work
The old days of japan hiding incidents under the rug are over.

>>897578
lol you missed a lot of deleted tweets

>>897554
Dude, lack of transparency is literally how company’s get away with this.

>>897493
>>897522
Alright then fags, what did Cover do wrong here? Let's see what facts you can actually show.

>>897553
Japan's doesn't work that way. You make a big fool out of yourself when dealing with one big company, and others won't give you the time of day.

>>897571
this is b8

>>897615
left china

>>897581
>The old days of japan hiding incidents under the rug are over.
Since he deleted absolutely everything about this whole incident, not really.

>>897617
>you aren't allowed to leave one company and work for another
Okay sure. Never happens.

>>897617
Man, I wish for a world where artists and streamers can unionize and fuck over Cover LOL

>>897666
He is not leaving because he got a better offer elsewhere though.

>>897650
>Deleted
Once its on the internet its there forever.

>>897646
They said WRONG decisions, not BASED.

>>897615
Hiring an porn artist and telling him to not draw porn.

>>897666
Okay sure, but it always happens. Japan is a messed up place.

>>897722
They didn't hire him to draw porn, if he only wanted to draw porn he shouldn't have accepted in the first place.

>>897722
you know that's a standard policy, you retard

>>897578
Not a tantrum alright

>>896531
>God I wish I was a japanese solider there
Then, you were sent to Iwo Jima, and you died burned in a hole, later my grandpa and his pals went to Okinawa, and they really enjoyed the japs cunts

>>897768
Yeah, it’s a tantrum. So what?

>>897520
Would you seriously hire an artist who pulls shit like this?

>>897643
t. “artist”
Don’t forget to post another “hilarious” meme of how you haven’t drawn anything in several days on your Twitter. It can go right between pics of your most recent meal and screencaps of whatever mobage shit you’re playing.

>>897768
I've seen worse.

>>897806
A guy who left because a company because they did unacceptable stuff? Why not?

>>897797
I guess that's what functioning adult should do when something doesn't go their way.

>>897809
this is also b8

>>897840
Yes, that is literally how negotiation and change in labor laws happen. A tantrum and expose until Companies submit to public pressure. However, Cover is lucky as it seems everyone is on their side.

His kancolle doujin is fucking weird. People said he acknowledges comfort women, but it's actually about japan losing the war and their own citizens becoming sex slaves for the enemy. Nothing about what japan itself did before or during the war.

>>897880
because it's all on him
lmfao, you antikeks are so retarded and out of fucking touch with reality.
do that kind of shit in normal work and you would get disciplinary fired

>>897880
So, where's the expose if he was really wronged?

>>897880
>Rally support and expose a company by being a manchild on a public platform.
Brilliant.

>>897909
>if you quit you will be fired
What?

>>897909
Well, no shit. Companies love a worker who just bends the knee.

>>897896
>Letting any part of your Nationalist Ideologies into your porn material
Smort

>>897913
It all depends on your ideology. If you’re anti worker then of course you see nothing wrong.

>>896947
I think he will still be fine as a doujin mangaka but it may hurt his ability to get mainstream work.

>>897880
he didn't expose shit

>>897950
No, if you
a) break the contract rules
b) bitch and demand to get dividents from something you don't have any rights to demand
yes, you get fucking fired
>>897976
no shit indeed, you are just a cog nothing more

>>898018
>don’t have any rights to demand to
Workers can negotiate their contract. They literally let them come in to negotiate.

>>898005
>Provides no concrete evidence and resorts to buzz words.
You antis are really scraping the bottom of the barrel aren't you?

well the threads on chink primetime sure are different huh.....

>>898072
The evidence is in front of you though?

>>898018
Except he made demands, didn't get them, then left. All the twitter stuff is after that.
>you don't have any rights to demand
I mean it's his work so he has every right to make demands or leave. Not like they can force him to stay if he doesn't want to.

aww he gave up

Contracts are made to be broken, anons

>>898047
Well, he sure did negotiate, it fell through and he throw a temper tantrum.

>>898047
you negotiate, while you get new contract
not after signing it, and certainly you don't demand things you don't work on
so if I work as an engineer on production of fridges, do I deserve to get money from selling washing machines

Look forward to his next work where he rape Marine while Yagoo watch.

>>898047
He tried to renegotiate after he saw the hype for the project after the PV released.
An obvious attempt to force Covers hand.

You can only renegotiate an existing contract if you offer something valuable in return that was not included before

>>898178
>force cover’s hand
Yes, that is what happens when you negotiate drama queen

>>898178
Did he say that or is that just your narrative? We don't know when he talked to them, just when he quit.

>>897614
Get away with what?

>How dare you leave the heckin corporation!!!
Imagine defending Konami instead of Kojima.

>>898128
temper tantrum to announce they were quitting*

See >>897768

>>885436
What an absolute retard. If he fucked up his contract because he didn't realize the scope of Hololive then he should have just sucked it up and used this opportunity to jumpstart his career.

>>898231
no one is mad that he left, we are just laughing at how poorly he handled it

>>895879
>nanking denier
>chinks make him face of cover hate

>>898242
That's barely a flare up, not a real temper tantrum. Stop overexaggerating it.

>>898090
The evidence points to the fact that he sperged his whole career into the shitter over twitter and that he has no one to blame but himself. I'm glad we came all the way full circle, some of you can actually learn it seems.

>>898231
True bro. This nobody doujin artist and his situation are exactly the same as Kojima and his situation with Konami.

>>898276

>>897836
What unacceptable stuff?

>>898136
Yes, you do. Same for the workers transporting the fridge, building the fridge, operating the fridge assembly machinery, the fridge quality inspector.

>>898273
go do it with the company you work for then

>>898276
>whole career
*job at one shitty company

>>898153
>>897116

>>898273
Anon, I don’t care if they said it’s a temper tantrum. It lacks critical information is all I care.

>>898306
I mean he had already quit by that point. When I quit I will.

>>897666
If you shittalk your old boss during a job interview they sure as hell aren't hiring you, and this guy shittalked his old boss in front of the entire world.

>>898303
yes, you get money from fridges, not washing machines that's the point
retard wanted money from "washing machines"
i think it's easy enough for your autistic brain to understand

>>898306
I’ll organize with other people angry, so okay.

>>898329
>I left because the company was mistreating me
>Sorry to hear that. We aren't like that though

>>898329
>shittalk
>Tweet that company is not negotiating contract
bro, you’re SO CLOSE to being pro-worker

>>898329
Anon, most people here are NEETs, they've never had a job interview in their lives, let alone held a job.

>>898362
>>898376
More like
>FUCK YOU FUCK THIS I'M OUT I'M NEVER WORKING WITH YOU FUCKERS EVER AGAIN

>>898362
have you ever held a job once in your life?

>>898310
See>>898329

>>898362
What mistreatment?

>>898310
>On a public forum where future hires can see.
Work on your comprehension, read between some lines. I know you can do it.

>>898292
Meant for >>898273

>>898408
Except he deleted them so they can't see anymore

>>898406
Not negotiating a contract

>>898406
The company didn't give him everything he demanded.

>>898273
Wonder why he deleted it if he was completely in the right

>>898424
but they did negotiate, they just said no

>>898419

Blindly defending the guy is honestly as retarded as blindly defending Cover.
We're not even sure what happened in the first place outside of his vague tweets, which he deleted too.

>>898419
>Things I delete on the internet are gone forever.
ngmi

>>898419
this nigga

>>898448
I mean they are just going to look at his twitter, not search every corner for deleted shit. He's just an artist after all.

>you can get cancelld for this
This is why neets are rising in number. Even before covid.

>>898444
Don’t forget his bilibili streams he deleted.

I know these people are falseflagging for (You)s, but it really speaks to this guy's situation that you can only make an argument to defend him if you completely ignore how the real world works.
I bet he regrets everything right now (as evidenced by him deleting all of his tweets).

>>898444
I defend him because he can potentially stop drawing forever because of this.

Mizuryu kei makes good fucking porn, so fuck hololive desunee

>>898435
>repeatedly subjected to responses that are unacceptable for a company

See >>897768

>>898491
Implying you or anyone else know how the real world works. Everyone sounds like an armchair hiring manager here with business degrees.

>>898491
More like he deletes to not get sued by cover for defamation

>>898497
You could surely find better wank material.

>>898505
must have said no more than once then lol

>>898444
>We're not even sure what happened in the first place outside of his vague tweets
Uh huh. It's not like he had a seethe stream on bilibili right after.

So was there any new update today?

>>898491
>ignore how the real world works
nah, it’s an attempt to change it and I respect them for that

>>898530
It's already blown over everywhere except here.

>>898523
No he is the only one that does good ryona.

>>898538
I hate predatory companies as much as the next wage slave but shitting up your twitter with pure seethe is not the way to "bring down the man".

>>898526
Isn't the one that streamed on his bilibili account his "manager" or something?

ITT: Anons believing that this Holoshit isn't just a worked shoot, bro.

>>897309
>>897351
>Magnet death
can i get a QRD

>>898580
magnet fired voms

>>898347
You’re analogy goes out the ass when contracts are designed to promise a “washing machine” from the worker and continue to pay the worker until the “washing machine” is finished. The whole point of a contract is paying for the IDEAL, not the material.
Additionally, despite the “tantrum”, Cover did not terminate the contract, meaning he did not violate it. They were the one that stepped out of the contract.

>>898580
Magnet graduated because of a "serious contract breach".
That's it, we have absolutely no info outside of that.

>>898565
True, it’d be better if they could organize. But anything helps. Hopefully, it’ll inspire other artists to stay away from Hololive or demand better contracts

>>898609
Sorry meant, paying for the IDEAL and getting the material, and not just paying for the material up front. It’s like saying I’ll only sign the contract when you present me with the “washing machine” when you sign the contract. It’s an ideal that can be changed. Not paying for the “washing machine” is obvious from the start.

>>898406
They didn't suck his cock and lease him Marine as private comfort woman

>>898505
>I didn't get what I want, therefore it is unacceptable.

Desu the best part about the whole thing is him quitting the job
Cover didn't fire him, he fucking quit because the didn't give him stupidly big raise

>>898727
Yes, companies and workers both are able to do that. But it’s wrong when the worker does it right?

>>898737
>Employees shouldnt get raise

>>898750
Yes.

>>898758
No

>itt zhangs plays both sides

>>898774
Yes

>>898538
>>898750
>>898756
>>>/leftypol/

>>898756
give me a raise because I produced nothing but want it

>>898737
I agree. It's funny to see holobronies seethe over the fact someone wants nothing to do with holoshit anymore.

>Yes. If a worker is stupid enough to get into a bad contract they only have themselves to blame. Let them bitch and whine, they are nothing more than a cog in a machine.

>>898503
His porn is boring and uninspired. Too sandy, when you’ve seen one work you’ve seen them all.

>>898737
No he quit because they were
>not giving them raise
>making unacceptable demands outside of the contract
See >>897768
>responses unacceptable for a company
Cover has violated the contract

>>898812
>No he quit because they were
>speculation
>speculation
Bravo

>>898756
He's an artist in Japan, probably the most competitive, saturated market there is next to code monkeys in India.

Cover has hundreds of artists doing work of their talents daily, how many do you think will be applying to fill his spot right this moment? He had no leverage, he got lucky and squandered it immediately.

Kei tried to sniff Mariner's seat after a meeting and got caught by security cameras so he got the boot.
And I don't blame him.

>>898810
You're like one of those retards who say all Touhou music sounds the same. Fuck off and stay fuck off.

>>898832
Leverage is the work they produced that they’re removing

How long before Marine files a sexual harassment suit against Kei?

>>898845
Just because he caters to your fetish doesn’t make him a good artist or author.

>>898737
That's right. He sign the contract, saw that the potential is better than he thought, tried to renegotiate, get turned down, throws tantrum on twitter, seeth on bili, get his old shit dug up, backtrack, deletes his tweets, deletes his bili stream, released a clarification and here we are laughing at him. This is really the funniest chain of event ever.

Mizuryu's official bilibili channel's staff already spilled the beans that he demanded a share on the royalties of the project, instead of following their contract. No point in trying to argue now chink-changs.

>>898885
>we

>>898887
>Get contract
>Demand more while offering nothing new
>Rejected
>Quit
>Cry like a baby on Twitter
kek

>>898789
Don’t call Kei a holobrony, he quit. Does screaming out and deleting your work sound like a Brony to you?

>>898885
What's the clarification about?

>>898920
Chinks found out he’s a Nanking massacre denier.

>>897976
next thing you said is just redistribute the ownership of the company to every workers.

>>898960
Source?

This is why you should seize the means of all streaming.

>>898960
>Someone reads stats saying Taiwan is a country
Kill the bitch
>Someone denies Nanking
Make them the face of our moral crusade against Cover

Is this the power of the Chinese brain?

>>898913
>quit
>remove all access to his “assets”
>terminate contract
Maybe we should cry more if it’s this BASED

>>898969
They found pic related.
His whole situation is a complete and absolute mess.
Here's his clarification :
https://t.bilibili.com/494793611329307952

>>899002
But they didnt though?

>>898497
No if you want that you should slander his ass so he can never join another company and be forced to do doujins forever to make ends meet

>>899016
>a doujin page
Is that it? That's like saying an artist that draws rape is an actual rapist.

>>899028
He still needs companies to print the doujins tard.

>>899035
Remember that this is the same China that went insane because someone read YouTube analytics. It doesn’t take much.

>>899035
anon....

>>899045
He can pay for them out of pocket, he's the customer in that case, not the employee.

>>899035
>Is that it?
Well, it's the same country that harassed a girl for 6 months because she mentionned Taiwan on stream, so yeah.

>>899045
>Here to print? Okay, lets do a full background check first.

>>899055
>>899060
I'm just saying this doesn't prove he's an actual nanking denier.

Kei is overrated anyway. Learn to draw anatomy and stop drawing sameface and expressions on every one of your females hack

>>899035
Anon you are talking about a race that seething with a burning hatred for a pink dragon cuz she said the T word

>>899016
So translators fucked up the context. That’s hilarious but I feel bad

>>894363
>>894497
he has 350k followers on twitter, he's not a nobody

>>899059
>Implying he can even do that

>>899088
As of that even matters to west Taiwan.

>>899088
Anon chink don't care about that

>>899126
>>899130
I mean for people here calling him a nanking denier, not China.

>>898969

>>899088
You don't have to convince us that, you need to convince the chinks that

>>899088
even if he doesn't it doesn't matter to the bugmen. Reminder that a mere mention of Taiwan, Tiananmen square massacre, and Falun gong massacre will seethe them to oblivion.

You know people should make more business deal with cover and cutting ties with them more often. Free publicity

>ITT people who are trying to prop up a sperging artist as an anti-corporate icon in an attempt to shit on Cover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu5oqo9lb2s

>ITT people who are trying to prop up a sperging corporation as an anti-artist icon in an attempt to shit on Kei

>>899092
He’s not as bad with sameface/sameentirebody as FEI or anything, but FEI has more diverse stories and focus.

>>899150
You can't convince autistic chinkoids of anything once they have their hivemind directive decided.

>>899147
We're just shitposting overhere, nobody here is dumb enough to actually believe he's a actual nanking denier I hope

>>899198
Kei isn’t a corporation.

I'm surprised people still think Kei is in the right when there's literally no proof about Cover's unprofessionalism in regards to their contract and all current information is pointing to Kei just being bitter about underestimating how big Hololive Alternative ended up being. The only thing we can go off of was Kei being unprofessional himself, deleting every tweet and VOD relating to the incident, having to explain himself about the Nanking massacre page in his old doujin, and him wanting a larger cut of the profit being rejected after he already made a contract to make the manga.

>>899198
>Be Cover
>Hire artist
>They don't like their contract and start cryng on social media
>Do nothing
>Sperging
Anonchama?

>>899198
you're still trying? Here's your (you)

>>899147

>>899227
>how big Hololive Alternative ended up being
Except it isn't

>>899227
Literally said that they were subjected to responses unacceptable for a company

READ THE THREAD

>>885436
isn't this the same artist who stalked a JAV?

>>898551
lol

lmao

>>899217
I don't think he is, but I also wouldn't be surprised. A deceptively large number of japs are war crime deniers.

>>899227
They just need to pay more money. The same money that pekora wondered about before.

>>899262
Ignore that, coomer brain got confused with another artist.

>>899256
+5 social credit points have been added to your standing, comrade.

>>899297
Thank you, yankee. I will be now be taking away your African workers.

>>897432
He's already done "proper work" and it's just as sleazy with the same premises that got axed pretty quickly.

>>897432
the dream is to get mainstream and have better material conditions then before, not get famous and live the same struggle

>>899382
He should have gotten designing charscter for video games instead like saitom.

>>899256
He never gave examples and he deleted everything related to yesterdays incident. You can't expect me to believe someone when they show absolutely nothing to prove what they were talking about.
>>899267
Kei isn't an in house employee he's a freelance contractor. This same thing happened when the Witcher's author underestimated how big the Witcher video games were going to blow up so he only took an upfront payment instead of asking for royalties. It's on Kei for not realizing how much Hololive was growing and she have negotiated a larger amount since the beginning.

>>899092
He draws them on the men too, the double hack.

>>899363
What did he do? The only "proper" thing I can think of is Sekkaku Cheat, but he Butcha-U is the main artist for that so he only did character design, and it's still ongoing

>>899451
But, the conditions of hololive have changed? Kei was not in control of how Hololive streamers have blown up. You can’t predict this shit

>>898796
>If a worker is stupid enough to get into a bad contract they only have themselves to blame
Yup
Good to see you understand how the real world works

>>899514
And instead of continuing negotiations until he got something better he quit the second they told him no to his ridiculous offer

>>899514
Didn't work start ~6 months ago? Hololive has been expanding rapidly for about a year.

>>899256
Oh no, he of all people said so? I must belieb it then

>>899540
did you miss the part where Cover itself was making ridiculous offers?

>>899565
Yeah, please enlighten me

>>899256
>They told me I can't have a 10% royalty on the entire HoloAlt project, this is unacceptable behavior for a company

>>899565
>biased source

>>899558
I do belieb Artia. Because an artist isn’t ignorant to their economic struggles

>>899565
Proves?
And no, Mizuryu's Twitter spergout is not a valid source

>>899456
I know he's done something called Luvslave, which is like Yugioh except it's shotas whoring out their older sisters. It's had very sporadic releases, sometimes 3-4 months between each short chapter. The latest actually came out a little while ago.

>>899588
ogey comrade

>>899514
He was contracted around 6 months ago so around the time of 5th Debuts and EN shortly after. This was during the time where Hololive was already growing rapidly so he should've seen the writing on the walls already. EN blew up which caught a lot of people by surprise but everyone could already see that Hololive was already getting footholds in the international market and their talents were climbing in popularity.

>>899638
Now please, let’s end the circular logic with telling me it’s right to demand “10% royalties” at the start of their contract

>retard agrees to contract then spergs out when Cover won't give him royalties after the fact even though he has yet to actually deliver any work
>anti schizos take his manchild tantrum as irrefutable proof that Cover is a black company

>>899575
Yes, and Cover’s response will also be “biased” same as the bias of withholding information for Mel’s harassment, homolive’s graduations, Miko’s break, and Coco’s harassment.

>>899638
It's not really that surprising when you compare the rate of consumption of games and anime that the west have compared to Japan's tiny population. They're just dwarfed

>>899696
They delivered the work though? That’s why, they’re removing all work associated with the royalties from all sites

>>899575
>biased to surviving? Oh noooo

>>895905
Cover didn't demand anything. They asked him to stop making Holo porn while working on a Hololive manga, something that any company is going to request of artists it's employing.

>>899725
He delivered one picture, not the whole manga lmao

>>899706
>bias of withholding information
That's not a thing.

>>899751
Most companies require it
as far as we know Cover didn't even demand he stop, they just asked him to not sell it

>>899665
It would have been alright if he did it at the start. He didn't though and tried to negotiate it after the fact so it's on him for not asking for royalties since the beginning. It's a missed opportunity on his part.

it's obvious who's in the wrong here

>>899847
Hot, I want to see that doujin

>>899809
>Telling a doujin aertist to stop selling doujin
Might as well tell zun to stop drinking beeer.

>>899889
Stop selling Hololive porn, not stop selling doujins altogether

>work on project for 6 months
>throw tantrum a couple of days after it goes public
What did he mean by this?

>>899889
They only require them to not make doujin of their brand, because the artist is technically official and shit

Mizuryu kei special 1

https://www.strawpoll.me/42687498
https://www.strawpoll.me/42687498
https://www.strawpoll.me/42687498

>>899696
Their contract ends once they deliver the work. They can’t negotiate after the fact retard

>>899945
When you are shorter than all the girls lol

>>899952
A manga is an ongoing thing
He could have produced a chapter or two to prove the quality of his work and then tried negotiating

>>899930
I can only assume Raita is under a similar contract given he's not pumping out fate doujins left and right

Mizuryu kei 2

Mizuryu kei 3

>>899985
Literally every Japanese company does this
It's also why Raita never did any Valkyria Chronicles doujins

>>899945
>>899986
Manlet rage explains his Twitter meltdown.

So what's the story about him and a JAV?

>>899980
You really think they’ve been doing nothing for the past 6 months?

>>900038
clearly he wasn't doing enough

>>894502
idk she seemed legit sad/upset in her stream right after the incident where she talked about it

>>900065
man

>>900027
Revolutionary leaders were all man let’s. Manlet workers of the world rise up!

>>900031
he was in the miko JAV along with Aqua and all former HLM members

>>900065
I was arguing with you, but I can imagine a situation where the Cover negotiator shits on Kei for having same face and that’s the reason why they won’t give him royalties

>>900125
How about you rise up and find some bitches.

>>900167
I’m ok w dwarve wives in the mountains tho thank you for offering

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Mizuryu kei 3

>>900212
All glorious victories of China! Thank you for spreading the word!

>>891373
https://files.catbox.moe/m4du4p.mp4

Cope, bitch

>>900212
NOOOOOooooo....

>>900231
I know you're trying to make him look like a Chad but those women are literally prostitutes, they get paid to hang out with losers.

>>900231
Walking down a red carpet with prostitutes while wearing a paper head and other men sit on the ground watching is actually pretty cringe.
Just hire one to get your rocks off like a normal person instead of larping as a famous person.

>>900147
A-Anon, that was not him, it was-
https://files.catbox.moe/6bu8fb.mp4

>>897836
>not giving him more money after he already signed a contract
>unacceptable stuff
everything negative that's happened to him is a result of his own incompetence and ego

>>900694
You do realize you can negotiate contracts? It would be illegal not to allow it.

I love how even if you assume everything he says is 100% truth, he STILL looks like a sperg because he never actually stated what Cover did wrong. Cancelling Holo doujins? Wanting more pay? Literally all rrats based on nothing. For all we know, "responses unacceptable for a company" could just mean Yagoo made a smug comment that got so under his skin he killed his whole career because of it. It makes about as much sense as every other theory.

>>900806
Anon, that’s what makes contracts “evil”. You speak out of what “Cover did wrong”, and you get sued for violating the contract.

>>900784
of course, he negotiated and it didn't go his way, tough luck, he should've just been patient and tried again once the project had a couple chapters published, you don't go and have a meltdown on Twitter when your negotiations don't go your way

>>900870
Rent and landlords ain’t patient bro. Reality ain’t patient.

>>900911
>https://files.catbox.moe/6bu8fb.mp4
You say that like the dude has absolutely no money at all. If he can hire prostitutes for photoshoots, he should have more than enough money to pay rent.

>>900847
he can get sued anyways for defamation, so what's stopping him?

>>900806
yagoo told him to suck his dick when he asked what he should be working on

>>900847
if the contract was exploitative he shouldn't have signed it in the first place. while he has every right to try and negotiate it afterwards, cover has every right to refuse

>>900987
What am I listening to?

>>900987
You’re telling me that the photo shoot with the cameramen, the staff badges, the staff organizers, the prostitutes, the cosplayers, the crowd was entirely hired by him? And it wasn’t an event organized by publishers?

Man, I’d love to live in your reality. Cmon, stop being contrarian.

>>901075
and so does he(the right to refuse), hence the “temper tantrum”.

>>901079
Dunno, ask this dude >>900400
I just accidentally quoted him.

>>901083
If a publisher is willing to spend that much on him, he definitely makes a lot of money.

>>901198
Are we assuming he’s still with the publisher?

>>901134
there's a difference between a professional declination and throwing a fit like a child, it's because of his behavior that people are shitting on him and he deserves it.

>>901244
Are you assuming he spends all the money he makes before his next paycheck? And he still received wages while he was working for Cover if he couldn't sustain himself with it he probably wouldn't have accepted.

>>900911
Guess he should've stop superchating Marine then.

>>891373
Based, the truth is we Will never know what that Fag did or if Cover did something

>>901369
>one emotional and translated outburst of “you’ve got to be kidding me”
>the rest of the “outburst” is explaining how he is quitting
>>897768

>>901387
Yes, because we can actually analyze living conditions in Japan and treatment of artists through independent contractors.

>>901640
Well, feel free to analyze then, go pull some numbers, studies and come back when you have demonstrable, sourced and conclusive results.

>>901719
Sure, but I urge you to do the same.

>>900911
true, I remember the last time I couldn't make rent and demanded a permanent raise plus royalties to shit I didn't work on, instead of asking for an advance

>>901719
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332344495_Gig_Work_and_the_Discourse_of_Autonomy_Fictitious_Freedom_in_Japan's_Digital_Economy
>Gig work has been associated with a number of concerningtrends, including: heightened uncertainty and instability within the labour market(Howe 2006,2008,Irani 2015, Valenduc and Vendramin 2016, p. 38, Srnicek 2017);
>As a result, thismakes the practice of non-standard and unpredictable work scheduling increasingly common anddisrupts work schedules and private life as gig workers need to be continuously available (Morsyand Rothstein 2015, Degryse 2016, p. 44, Valenduc and Vendramin 2016, p. 35, cited in Degryse2016, p. 44). Gig work therefore represents a shift in the forms of domination and control imposedupon labour, from a direct, physical, and on-the-site type, to the increased use of indirect mechanismsof domination as a result of intensifying competition, rendering workers less visible, and in turn sup-pressing wages and working conditions
what are these struggles? Glad you asked! It covers it!
>This combines an appreciation of material pressures arising from the reproductionof capitalism with the discursive processes that constitute this materiality.
"Capitalism is not always the cause though!" Of course, there's a tendency!
>Further, rather than considering structural, material or socio-economic pressures as causing par-ticular outcomes to occur, the CPE approach instead considers pressures to have a tendency tofavour (or select) particular outcomes, whilst nevertheless understanding that societal outcomesare ultimately contingent, contested, and therefore undetermined
>structural pressures, in particular, have exerted themselves within Japan’spolitical economy: stagnant growth; a growing labour shortage problem; rising worker disaffectionarising from an ongoing move towards liberalisation; and a shift in power between social forcesthat has seen the ascendance of a new, entrepreneurial, fraction of capital, empowered by theongoing low levels of growth within Japan’s political economy, and a concomitant decline in thepower of established trade unions faced with a decline in their core group of ‘regular workers’

this study is really fucking good especially when you read all of the studies from their conclusions.

so moonspeakers, is this actually denying nanking?

>>901719
here's more
>As this article shows, however, rather than generating opportunities, crowd work in Japan has instead contributed to creating a new group of vulnerable and impoverished non-regular workers within the Japanese labour market. Crowd workers find themselves having to work more cheaply, flexibly and efficiently than other non-regular workers to win contracts by marketing themselves as ultra-able workers. This is a new and indirect form of domination and control exercised by employers that has largely been masked through repeated references to workers’ autonomy.(Paradoxical Autonomy in Japan's Platform Economy, Shibata Saori)
>Japan has witnessed a shift from direct control of workers characterised by intensified production systems and heightened competition to a form of control enabled by providing precarious employment at lower wages under employment insecurity and creating replaceable workers such as zero-hour contractors. Reflecting criticism of precarious employment conditions experienced by non-regular workers and labour shortage, labour market policies have changed slightly such that the government, at the surface level, provides a certain degree of protection and employment security to maintain the workforce and deflect criticism. It is in this context that we should understand the emergence of crowd workers, a new form of digital labourers who have been positioned in public discourse as autonomous workers.
So what, this is just a small amount of the pop-
>Crowd work in Japan has grown significantly over the last 10 years. The number of crowd workers in Japan has reached five million, comprising 5 per cent of the population (Ninhon Keizai Shinbun, 2018). Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications (MIC) estimates that roughly 1.5 million people work as crowd workers (Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications [MIC], 2018). This is roughly 8 per cent of the 20 million non-regular Japanese workers (Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare [MHLW], 2017). As platform-based jobs increase, a growing number of individual workers will not join firms as long-term or permanent employees, instead, using their free time to work and applying their skills on an ‘on-demand’ basis (MIC, 2016).

Where's the proofs of exploitation?? just wait :DD

> The fragmented way in which these tasks are distributed, and the scale of the competition for jobs, are such that they have been noted for creating a ‘race to the bottom’ as crowd workers seek to reduce their cost estimates to competitive levels (Uluru, 2015). Thus, remuneration for task-based jobs in Japan ranges between USD 0.04 and 2.3 (USD) per task. In addition, 22 per cent of crowd workers who engage in task-based work have experienced delays in payment, with roughly
15 per cent of these experiencing no payment or underpayment (Rengo, 2016). This problem is exacerbated by the lack of regulatory control of platform work under the minimum wage system.

>Almost all crowd workers worry about uncertainty over being paid. Crowdsourcing firms generally charge client firms a fee for requested tasks/projects that is retained while the work is carried and released to the worker only after a task/project is complete. While a client firm that cancels a contract incurs a penalty, it nevertheless retains a significant amount of this penalty, ensuring that workers lose when work is cancelled. Indeed, this is one of the main ways in which crowd workers suffer non-payment or underpayment. All crowd workers are paid at the point of completion of tasks. This method of payment also implies that some crowd workers are required to go without pay for relatively long periods of time. This problem is compounded, moreover, by the fact that nearly 50 per cent of project-based crowd workers including systems engineers and developers experience late payments for work completed (Rengo, 2016). As such, many crowd workers experience anxiety that is associated with both the need to be highly competitive to win bids and the uncertainty regarding payments for work completed. Crowd workers generally receive much lower levels of pay than most other workers, including other non-regular workers (cited in Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry [METI], 2016). Payment for many tasks is, therefore, significantly below minimum wage, which is not enforced for crowd workers. In addition, crowd workers receive no welfare benefits. This means lower pay for crowd workers than for other non-regular workers because employers can avoid providing crowd workers with legal welfare benefits that they provide to other non-regular workers. This suggests that not only low-skilled crowd workers but also high-skilled crowd workers can struggle with payment issues and low remuneration.
CROWD WORKERS CAN GO WITHOUT PAY UNTIL THEIR CONTRACT IS COMPLETED

>>895879
that man is half chinese, please understand the greed

>>902494
Fair enough, I was reading through it so you don't have to act like a faggot. One big problem remains is that we actually don't know why he decided to quit other than rrats and a supposed bilibili stream by a "manager". If it is proven that Cover was shafting him on his regular paycheck I'd be willing to revise my position on the matter.

>>902494


>Many companies have integrated crowd service into their staffing strategies to reduce office costs and protect their core employees. It is not hard to imagine that this sometimes creates inappropriate pay rates for crowd workers. Employers can avoid providing employee benefits/insurance, which employers are supposed to provide to both regular and non-crowdsourced non-regular workers. This practice indicates a concrete step towards further flexibilisation of labour. This generates anxieties over remuneration and employment security among the majority of crowd workers.

With health care and insurance already being so expensive, disposable income is extremely limited

>https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/05/09/national/cracks-forming-premium-based-health-care-system/

Even then, we cannot fully recognize the full scope of poverty because you may as well be a non-citizen if you can't file a tax return in Japan
>In Japan, just as in many European countries, only those who expect a return will file a tax return, leaving the governments with only limited data on real income levels and poverty. This difference also precludes studies of poor relief, for the denominator – poverty – remains unknown at the detailed level. Therefore, as we attempt to replicate some of the studies for the U.S. we have to use proxies to get around data restrictions. (Poverty and Politics: Evaluating public assistance in Japan)

But there is tons to know

>The main stipulations of the Constitution and the Livelihood Protection Law to the effect that the state will support the poor to sustain a reasonable livelihood continue to hold. But the law and its current interpretation also continue to emphasize the principle of supplementarity: one’s financial assets, capacity to work, benefits from other welfare programs (e.g., pension), and perhaps most critically, support from one’s family members all have to be exhausted first, before one may even apply for public assistance. Thus, poverty relief is explicitly meant to be the “last resort safety net” (MHLW 2005: 127).

But gig workers do not have access to this safety net, because they are not actual workers. There has been no safety net allotted

>https://news.kuwaittimes.net/website/pandemic-reveals-hidden-poverty-in-wealthy-japan/
>Around 40 percent of workers are in vulnerable “non-regular” jobs with lower wages and contracts that can be terminated easily. Many also struggle to access welfare. Yuichiro, who did not give his last name to AFP, said he was sent from one government office to another before being told assistance was only for those with children. “But there are lots of adults who aren’t able to eat,” he said.

Income can vary between 30k YEN and 70k YEN depending if it is the main job.

>Perhaps the greatest cost to workers involved with crowd work is that of low pay for low-skilled participants. There are no data available indicating the average wages of crowd workers. Income from crowd work varies, depending largely on whether it is a worker’s main job. In cases where it is the main job, monthly income is typically around USD 664 (73,268 yen), whereas it is roughly USD 274 (30,249 yen) for those working as crowd workers alongside other work. While CrowdWorks advertises that common crowd jobs such as data inputting provide USD 9.2 (1,000 yen) per hour, many tasks advertised offer extremely low remuneration. Remuneration for the task-based crowd job of a 5-minute interpretation or translation is merely USD 1.4 (150 yen) and sometimes lower (Lancers, 2017).

However, this does not take into the various living expenses needed per year

>Family of four estimated monthly costs: ¥528,032
>Single person estimated monthly costs: ¥295,594
>Japan is the 3rd most expensive country in Asia (3 out of 12)
>Cost of living in Japan is more expensive than in 79% of countries in the World (17 out of 77)

https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/country/japan

>>902895
acting like a faggot will get people to change in this world so im sorry if i appear that way. i guess im fine with that, but my ideology and the tendencies of company, especially Cover, just leads me to believe this "rrat"

>>902895
and to be honest, you almost caught me in a burden of proofs. my rage was purely ideological, so I went to studying with the expectation that could be wrong. But just reading about the studies, it’s terrible seeing your cynical world view validated.

>>903109
my cynical world view*

>>900806
>Cancelling Holo doujins?
>Wanting more pay?
Read his deleted tweets, son. He literally admits to both.

>>896531
gross who would fuck chinks

>>899338
Please take them all.

>>902344
南京大虐殺
yep

>>904709
very well. *disrupts your entire economy*

>>904859
Are we talking about niggers? Like actual africans from african are pretty decent people.

>>904879
yes I am talking about the exploited Africans