/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Imagine how better NijiEN would be if Sana was in it. The true HoloLive killer that we never had.

>>8875785
>Another Selen thread
Thank you anon for making smile

>>8875785
Hololive fans hate Apex.

>Purple dragon laughs
>type LMAO

>>8875785
no obnoxious whores allowed sorry

>>8876056
Mumei...

>>8875785
Can Selen draw or sing?

>>8876155
she can draw

>>8876155
She can laugh

fat

>>8876056
When is Kiara's graduation then?

>>8876155
she raughs

>>8875785
I only watch her because she's playing StarCraft

she's loud af. hard pass.

>>8875785
Imagine how much better this board would be without you

>>8876155
She drew her entire debut video and also every single Nijisanji and Virtuareal vtuber as a baby dragon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HJPHe8kI9w
This image was made before Edengumi. Even Kataribe is here.

No point in a Gura killer if they are in the same company. You can just pass it off as Gura opening the door for more subs. A true Gura killer should be someone from the outside

>>8876393
She also can make cute fucking bento.
Also I didn't read the OP but OP, you're retarded

>>8875785
if only tribalfags could watch nijiEN.

>>8875826
>Imagine how better NijiEN would be if Sana was in it.
I think, the more correct way to say it would be:
>Imagine how better Sana would be if she was in NijiEN

No thanks. We already have too many apex streamers as is.

>>8875968
What about Aqua's and Astel's fans?

>>8876393
Did you mean she draw the pic you posted? Cause damn that's so cute, but I don't recognize a single shit. I thought Nijis are all high schoolers, do they have mascots now?

>>8876513
>What about Aqua
Hololive fans hate Apex

>>8875785
>another Selen bait thread
fuck you nigger, i bet you only use her to shitpost
she is ok in Nijisanji and and as much as I agree that her viewership would triple on HoloLive... it wouldn't be the same
for starters, she would not have quick access to the games she likes and would be reduced to the typical Apex 24/7 chubba with the random kusoge sometimes.
She couldn't collaborate that often with all the restrictions and on HoloLive she couldn't collaborate with HoloStars without the fanbase seething about males.
STOP SHITPOSTING WITH MY NIJI WIFE
also
>Gura killer
stop with this meme, she is an anomaly and no one will surpass her, not even in HoloLive... i cant wait for the NijiEN GEN 3 bait threads just like you did with Baelz

>>8876241
If that's what hololfags don't like, then more than half of Holo members should just graduate right now.

>>8875785
Remove those ugly wings and she looks much better.
I'd like to see a collab with her and Botan.

>>8876417
>She also can make cute fucking bento.

>>8876577
The clown and the cat are fat. That isn't half.

>>8876566
Didn't read
Dont care

Her neck is so chokeable in a good way

>>8876241
falseflagger

>>8876544
As anon stated, Selen didn't draw Niji vtubers directly in this picture. She reinterpreted them as a little dragons/animals, by adding unique features to each of them. That's way, you have to be a fan of a particular Niji vtuber, to recognize them just by Selen's clues.

>>8875785
I think a lot of people here underestimate the the size of the crowd that Holos get subjected to every stream. Streaming for 20k+ people is completely different to ~1k and I don't think any of the NijiEN talents are ready for it.
Selen's forced laughter to fill dead air may be adequate for the Niji's audience size, but you've got to offer more than that if you're streaming in Hololive.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>8876544
She did draw it. AND the video in the debut I just linked, the one with all the dragons and NijiEN sitting at the dinner table.
Selen took the time to research every single Niji to fit the theme like Lize's ducky or small things like each characters earrings, facial marks, and small accessories, or existing mascots like Roto or Ririmu's bunny or Nagao's Muu-chan or Lulu (PBUH)'s shark.
For example this is Ran nee-chan, one of her horns symbolizes her ponytail.

>>8876155
Selen is literally a professional artist with single emoji commissions that rival minimal wage kids income. She'd be fine.

>>8876639
Lmao, looks like you have a really low standards when it comes to fatness, because a shit-ton of Holos are fucking obese.

>>8876544
If you know Nijisanji you can recognize a lot of them. But you obviously don't since you think they're all high schoolers.

>Oh nooo... Anon, you came inside? You said you'd pull out I trusted youHAHAHAHA! And you came so fast HAHAHA you said you can edge for an hour when you jerk off HAHAHAHAHA! YOU LIED TO ME GAHAHAHA! It's okayyyy I lied too when I said it was a safe day HAHAHAHA DON'T LOOK AT ME LIKE THAT YOU SAID YOU WOULD PULL OUT AND THEN YOU WENT CREAMED YOUR SELF IN 15 SECONDS HAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU'RE THE REASON THEY MAKE FUN OF VIRGINS HAHAHAHAHAHA! Woo... bum ba ba bum, bum bum ba bum bum... Man, my boyfriend is going to be SO mad when I end up pregnant hahaha... Wait, no, he doesn't know! HAHAHA I'LL JUST TELL HIM IT'S HIS KID, HE DOESN'T KNOW HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*wheeze*AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>tfw
Nietzscheswangee

>>8876762
Lmao, what a falseflagger - taking the biggest HoloEN numbers from special events and comparing it with a lowest NijiEN numbers of their weakest members.
The real averages show, that NijiEN viewership is only about 5 times less than HoloEN viewership. That is considering that NijiEN just started, and HoloEN are much older and buffed by YT algo. So expect this gap getting even smaller in the near future.

>>8877004
>have to send a red superchat once a week for child support
Thank you thaaaaaaaaaaaaank you

>>8876155
can Ame?

>>8877147
>Thank you thaaaaaaaaaaaaank you
Fuck, I read it her voice.

>>8876155
To be honest, no one from HoloEN can be considered a good singer, especially in HoloEN2.
Yes, people say that Gura is good, but that's only because she's just better than everyone in HoloEN, and that makes her a 'great singer' in the mind of holofags.

>>8877147
is she really a hag with children?

>>8876639
Also the lion, the knight and the wolf. And Marine seems to be fat too since her ass is bigger than Noel's one.

>>8877272
Gura's range is poor but you really are stretching it to say she isn't a good singer.

>>8876056
Why did they let Ame then

>>8877382
Man, I am so happy to see you show up, as a proof to my words.
No, she is not a good singer. Her experience and vocal qualities put her somewhere on "above average" level. But, as I said, because there are no good alternatives, people like you consider her a "good singer".

She's better than some Council members but she fits better with the Niji brand
Also, Apex is a debuff for holofags, almost always underperformed in comparison with the last and previous stream

>Wouldn't be able to bully her kouhais and senpais like she does
>Wouldn't be able to do spontaneous collabs with her friends
>Wouldn't have had that 6 hour kino with bonbon where they where tearing into each other.
She's fine where she is, you guys can keep your pretend idols.

This is so stupid, any chuuba with a gun can kill Gura!

>>8877272
Her lastest members karaoke is unironically very good

https://youtu.be/-L3S0Nnrm5U
https://youtu.be/tLB6zz5yZus
https://youtu.be/H6Z8Uup9XcI

>>8877509
I just feel bad for them. You can't even banter with people in Hololive or they'll cry. Host a tournament and the losers will have a mental breakdown. Meanwhile in Nijisanji you can call people pussies and laugh at the third world and it's fine.

>>8875785
Is she really that good? The small numbers are unironically turning me off. I mean, she would be more popular than that if she's really that much better than HoloEN.

>>8875785
but we wouldn't get selen bobon collab

>>8877544
The hard part is knowing where she lives, I doubt you'd need a gun after that.

>>8877580
Niji debuff.
She could be more in EN but she will not become the Nijisanji EN2 Selen as we know right now.

>>8877160
Not to feed this retarded tribalism shit, but Ame is a good variety streamer. Not to say Selen isn't, she'd fill that niche just fine.

>>8875968
Choco is literally sustaining herself on Apex binges.

>>8877580
No, she's bad and you should never watch her. I heard Hololive is live right now, go watch them.

>>8877503
This.
I think her strongest side is that she can collab with a lot of people - something Holo would not be able to provide.
Also, Niji's Apex culture is much stronger than Holo's. Because of that, she's already invited to Chihiro's private Apex server and a custom tourney among different pros/vtubers (if I am not mistaken).

>>8877580
She's good, ignore the tribalists and nijisnobs trying to gatekeep.

>>8877653
You are mine, dragonkin.

>>8877580
I wonder as well why most holo doesn't have as many subs on their personal/previous acc if they're as interesting, but might be just because they've holo brand slapped on them dunno

>>8877672
You're replying to a tribal numberfag...

I'm not going to lie, all these shill threads have pretty much turned me off of her forever. If you were a falseflagging troll trying to make people want to avoid her, then congratulations, you got at least one person to do so.

>>8875785
Cover wouldn't be able to get permissions for the retro games she likes to play.
And HoloEN, at least EN1, are far too autistic/busy to collab the way that NijiEN can, which would limit a lot of her appeal.
Just like Pomu, Selen is exactly where she wants to be, and exactly where she can be at her full potential.

>>8875785
She's great

>>8877272
>>8877382
>>8877485
Karaoke is more about creating something different and with your personality mixed in than doing something perfect

>>8877559
She is not bad in those clips. But it's not like something I'd want to hear again.
It's on the same level of a girl, who is 2'nd or 3'rd best in a high-school chorus class - good only among a closed circle. But when we start to compare with a vast world of vtubers - her abilities start to pale in comparison.

>>8876587
So this is how your average Selenfag thinks huh?

>>8877896
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eORRuX13lJk

>>8877888
>implying chumkiddies have ever listened to singing outside of Gura
Lol.

>>8877812
Lmao, you have nothing to do with falseflagging. You are avoiding her, because you're just a retarded tribalist. You would not watch her even if there were no falseflaggers. Now go and fap on some numbers.

>>8878017
So no different than selencucks thinking she's the greatest Apex player of all time despite only being slightly above average

>>8877003
HAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA NEE JEE SAN GEE HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>8877858
No. In karaoke you can sing as you want. You can sing, adding personality, or you can try to sing perfectly - there's no a fucking standard of singing karaoke.
But the thing is, 'creating something different' and 'adding personality' are such subjective qualities that don't show a bit of actual singing talent.

>>8876155
SHE CAN TALK, SHE CAN TALK, SHE CAN TALK, SHE CAN TALK

>>8878122
>post didn't mention her numbers at all
>NOOOO YOU ONLY HATE HER BECUASE NUMBERS THERE'S NO OTHER REASON!!!
Meds schizo

>>8878252
>post didn't mention her numbers at all
Very simple. Numbers is the only thing, Holo tribalfags can fap to. That's because Holo doesn't have any other advantages.

>>8877757
probably also in part because of people not wanting to talk about roommates in public and people are use to their cute anime girl persona.

>>8878122
He didn't have numbers mentioned in that? Should I do it for you?
Yes, Selen has pathetic numbers and she will never become successful
Am i doing a good job to fit your reply?

>>8878122
I just want to let you know from an outsider's perspective that even if you don't think so, the image that a fanbase presents does in fact color the image of the person that they're a fan of, in the same way that someone whose friends are all massive assholes is in a sense some degree of asshole by association. If the fanbase seems populated by a large and vocal portion of scum that dominates the conversation and optics, it implies that the streamer's personality and content are geared towards cultivating trash people.
You probably understand this on an intuitive level considering how you feel towards Holomems as a reaction to Holofags on this board, but in case this thread wasn't intentionally trying to do so, I wanted to let you know that every thread like this posted actively tarnishes the image of your oshi. Post responsibly.

>>8878238
Give me an example.

>>8878211
shes way above average in terms of vtubers who play it, but in the general player base she is just above average.
at least her being good at apex isnt as subjective as "best singer" especially when theres multiple people who fit under best singer in the same company

>>8878242
SHE CAN TALK. SHE CAN WALK, SHE CAN HEAR AND SING, SO MUCH MORE THEN A FANTASY!

>>8878211
The thing is, Nijifags are not trapped in a closed bubble. Those Nijifags that enjoy Selen's apex perfectly know many Vtubers that are better than Selen. The only problem, that there are very few of those, who are better:
From Niji, there're only Lauren and Sirius, who can be better. There is also a Bobon, but he admits himself that Selen is better.
Holo has none.
There's also a Virtual Gorilla and our Almighty Emperor Hal (kneel to his greatness)
To be honest, these are the only ones that can compete with Selen. And as you can see, no one of them is a girl.

>>8878500
W-what about towa?

>>8878500
You forget bora

>>8878500
miyu is pretty good at apex too from what ive heard, so theres at least one other female but yeah the males dominate

>>8878500
And you're outing yourself as a thread reader because Selen said she got to pred with her friends back when the barrier of entry wasn't so high, just like Botan did. Lauren has won a shit ton of real tournaments and is max in OW (idk what it's called because fuck that gay game) And Hal-kyun and VGorilla have a long history showcasing their skills.

>The thing is, Nijifags are not trapped in a closed bubble. Those Nijifags that enjoy Selen's apex perfectly know many Vtubers that are better than Selen. The only problem, that there are very few of those, who are better:
>From Niji, there're only Lauren and Sirius, who can be better. There is also a Bobon, but he admits himself that Selen is better.
>Holo has none.
>There's also a Virtual Gorilla and our Almighty Emperor Hal (kneel to his greatness)
>To be honest, these are the only ones that can compete with Selen. And as you can see, no one of them is a girl.

>>8875785
She wouldnt be able to play anything but apex and it would suck shit. No metal slug serious sam starcraft

>>8878375
Very good post.

>>8878375
>You probably understand this on an intuitive level considering how you feel towards Holomems as a reaction to Holofags on this board
That's only your way of thinking. I see them as a group of retarded idiots on 4chan. And this small group won't spoil my attitude to a Chuuba or her main fanbase.

She's perfectly fine in Niji. The only thing that sucks is that will never see her collab with Botan.

>>8878376
Yes, that's right, thank you. This is exactly what I meant - they love numbers, because Holo has no talent.

>>8878500
Are all selenfags like this? Are they really that delusional? Do you enjoy watching your oshi be a one trick pony?

>>8878397
A what now? An example of singing perfectly? Are you kidding me?

I hate apex shit but her personality is pretty unique. It's like a different version of Botan. I Mean even if she doesn't play shooters she can make fun streams like Botan does. If Holo en got her she would've been definitely a new star.

>>8878738
She'd be cucked by seiso idolfag crap, isolated from anyone but her genmates for a month, and unable to talk to guys

>>8878771
I don't get it at all. Botan isn't forced by anything and holo en has nothing to do with idol culture.

>>8878375
>Post responsibly.
People come to this site because they can post irresponsibly and get away with it. You have more success teaching a cow to speak Japanese than asking anons to post responsibly.

>>8878540
>>8878556
>>8878561
Towa is cute. Bora is too, so is Miyu
>>8878566
>when the barrier of entry wasn't so high
When did she say that? Link please.
>just like Botan did
Botan lied about her Master rank.
>Lauren has won a shit ton of real tournaments
Which ones?
>is max in OW
We are talking about Apex.
>>8878726
Lmao, what a retard. Apex was a topic of conversation.

>>8878771
Yeah, I agree. I don't really want her to be near Holos.

>>8878738
I'd rather have some female pro that had attended several FPS competitions to join Hololive just to retire being a variety FPS streamer not like Ame. She wouldn't be a one trick pony like Selen is.

>>8878901
Lmao, Botan's roommate wasn't a pro. What a retard!

>>8875785
She is cool for playing Onimusha and Metal Slug, but god damn her forced laugh every sentence is to fucking annoying.

>>8879321
>forsed

>>8879367
forced**

PURPLE WOMAN BAD

>>8878494
I was going for FIFTY YEARS AGO WE'D HAVE YOU UPSIDE-DOWN WITH A FORK UP YOUR ASS

>>8879367
Dude. Anon just said his honest opinion and you try to ruin it with your tribalist shit.

>>8879473
>tribalist shit
>a Joker meme

>>8876808
I really wonder how she was able to keep up streaming and drawing with how little is seems she made. Maybe her family was supporting her,or she had a part time??

that design is bad, her mouth is too big

>>8879516
So if I mask shitting on a chuuba with a funny meme, it will be fine then?

>>8879574
>her mouth is too big
That was made deliberately for shit-talking and bj's.

>>8879608
>harmless memes
>shitting on chubbas

>>8879661
>harmless memes
Ogey. No more question for dense anons.

>>8877721
I can hear her threatening "WEL-COME" in my head

>>8879608

>I can't watch X vtuber because they're niji/holo/ etc.
I knew idolfags were braindead, but being a tribalfag for a company that doesn't even care about their employees let alone (You) as the viewer is advanced retardation.

>>8877067
>NijiEN just started
3 months isn't just started anon.

>>8878456
I feel like getting Apex pred would definitely put her far above average apex player, or maybe im retarded and getting pred isnt that hard

>>8878878
sauce for botan lying about her rank? (although i didnt even know she played apex much to begin with)

>>8879897
Lets say you manage to get pred by getting carried for the most part, even that would require a skill that is far above average. Like you'd still need to get an average of 5-6 kills per game, every game and a top 10 finish.

So what is up with selene and pomu posters.
i feel every day they all make like 4 threads alone?

>>8879321
It doesn't sound that forced to me, but maybe I'm deluded from having female Asian friends whom laugh a ton

>>8875785
They would hold her back from being her. Fuck that.

>>8880104
Imma be honest, I feel like youre pumping up the requirements a bit, it's hard, but not as hard as you're saying. Her gunplay seems decent on stream, but maybe it's cuz she aint sweating?

>>8880198
Obviously she isn't the best apex vtuber ever but when she's sweating her aim and gunplay is very good + her overall gamesense and mechanics. Also those requirements aren't even that high, it's literally how the ranking system works.

isn't selen a chumbud? I would trade her for Fauna or Mumei, those two girls seem like Niji rejects.

>>8879943
>sauce for botan lying about her rank?
You know that it doesn't work that way. If someone (Botan) states that they have something - it's up to them to prove it, not up to others to prove the opposite.
Also, here some things that indicate her lies.
1. No rank proof whatsoever.
2. Said that she grinded until master, and will not play Apex ranked, because she's fed up with it. Oh, very convenient, isn't it? To me it sounds extremely sussy.
3. The only time she played apex was not on her stream, but on Nene's. And she showed an unbelievably shitty performance, considering that SBMM should have put them against weak opponents (which also happened - you can see that 'champion' teams of their games were complete newbies). Here is a link, so you can see for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxiJPehWlGw

>>8875785
She wouldn't be able to play the games she did, so I would never find her also holoshits would chew her out for the laugh

>>8875826
You don't get it. She's a hololive killer because she's in hololive.

>>8876481
Is she any good? I didn't watch any of her shit because her model sucks ass

>>8879574
Stop it

"She" laugh like a retard every 3 seconds. Hard pass.

>>8875785
>we
how do you do fellow hololive watcher

>>8880786
Yes, she is very good, even for a nijifag like me. Imo, the best HoloEN2.

>>8880401
Botan is a sussy baka!

>>8880962

>>8875785
Yeah no thanks.

How quickly does it devolve into tribalism.

>>8881238
Idolfag's law:
As a vtuber discussion grows longer, the probability of an idolfag shitposting a different vtuber or agency approaches 1.

Selen Love

Selen Hate

Selen Ok

>>8881015
almost forgot how sus their opening tweets were, can't believe they turned out so well

>>8882871
Fina...

>>8880330
They can have fauna, and not give us anything. but no way in hell i'm giving up Mymei

>>8881015
>>8880962
To normalfag for me.

>>8883716
The only one that is a normalfag is Petra. Pomu can hide her power level but is an Otaku. Finana can be cute, but she is a dorito eating, fly smashing, vibrator motor killing, fiber Gummi eating, anime 2 watching, degenerate.

The only thing she's killing is her own branches viewership. She's sucking up all their viewers that the others can just barely hold 1k live viewers each now.

>>8883997
>petra
>normalfag
>hardcore yumejoshi who play gorillion otoge and simp countless male vtubers
In what she is normalfag, nigger?

>>8884141
*way

>>8884141
It's okay since it's an Asian chick. Reading chick shit is normal for non-popular girls.

>>8883997
>Finana can be cute, but she is a dorito eating, fly smashing, vibrator motor killing, fiber Gummi eating, anime 2 watching, degenerate
this plus her wokeshittery is bog standard zoomer girl stuff

>>8884232
So people who play VN, galge, and eroge is normalfag now?

>>8875785
Just accept that Nijisanji EN is the future of EN Vtubing. We have:

Pomu - The funniest EN Vtuber and she's a turbo weeb
Elira - Sweet girl next door vibes
Finana - Has the voice of an angel but is a turbo degenerate
Wosemi - Moe through helplessness
Selen - Great gamer, bro energy

Meanwhile what does Hololive EN have again? 5%, chicken voices, one sided yuri ships, boyfriend drama...

>>8884554
>what does Hololive EN have again?
Streamers that get over 1000 live views.

>>8878242
I CAN SIIIIIIIIIIIIING

>>8884668
Herd mentality normals flocking together. You can't even mention a trait.

>>8877580
> The small numbers are unironically turning me off. I mean, she would be more popular than that if she's really that much better than HoloEN.
McDonalds is the biggest restaurant chain in the world and nobody says this about them.

>>8884668
>Psssssshhhh, I'm only sure to watch streamers with more than a thousand viewers
>It's important to me because- Well it just is, ok?

>>8884554
>Future of Vtubing
Good luck about that

>>8875785
I've been enjoying Star Craft especially but:
1. Selen is feeling pressure as it is from 1K viewers her lack of twitter enagement and having senpai, her laughter being a partial product
2. She lacks the fortuitous timing and novelty Gura had, and her laughter would filter too many people to reach the same height, assuming she could keep that same energy with so many viewers
So while she would have been a great fit for HoloEN as far as game streams, she would be no Gura killer.

>>8884554
>Meanwhile what does Hololive EN have again?
numbers

Good morning Selen shitposter-kun! Let's work hard today, too!

>>8885464
Since numbers seem to be the main reason why /vt/ watches vtubers I'm surprised that there is no literal number vtuber out there.

>>8885464
It's true, holos have only numbers. No personalities, no content, no nothing. Just numbers. And even those are empty, just look at Gura's 3 million toddler subs.

Damn how many Holos have debuffs again? Why are they mogging in numbers department when
>They arent entertaining
>Shit management
>No freedom
>caveman tier tech
>Game permission autismo
So may handicaps, and yet, why and how are they at the top? How do competitors even feel?

>>8886049
>why are they at the top
brand power, tons of clipfags, good timing with en myth release
>how do the competitors even feel?
you mean niji? they don't give a shit most likely and just focus on doing their own thing. others? can only talk about a couple indies but they seem to be comfortable where they are too. in the end numbers race is something that only matters here

>>8884554
>The funniest EN Vtuber
>HAHA BIG PP ENERGY GET IT GAIZ AM I FUNNY YET?!?

>>8884554
>Nijisanji EN is the future of EN Vtubing
About what? Irrelevantly?

>>8876863
keep coping nijibeggar

>>8886231
But Anon, they say they aren't entertaining, and why are they so popular in the first place? Is Cover big from the start? What did did they even do to have fans brand loyalty?

>>8877362
they are not even on the same level of fatness as this chink

nijishills on full force today

>>8886049
>>8884668
>IF ANIME GIRL NUMBER NOT BIG THEN GRUG NO WATCH NUMBER BIG MEAN GOOD BIG NUMBER MUST WATCH OOG, OOG

>>8886789
No...? Im asking, people here say Hololive have nothing else but numbers, HOW?????????

>>8886049
> Why are they mogging in numbers department
Because they got shittons of Chinese, SEA, and Burger clippers. That's the only reason. They had the first talents people picked up on like Korone and Pekora, and popularity snowballed from there.

If it weren't for clippers and the JP talents, HoloEN wouldn't have taken off. Even the most die-hard Holofag will tell you that. The most popular board on 4chan was dwarfed by the Hololive general during EN1's debut and it was thanks entirely to clipfags.

>>8886862
Show me the holos who played classic Serious Sam and StarCraft.

>>8886910
Theres none. Hololive only have numbers!

>>8886513
holo JP doing all the work, clipfags clipping them and translating for EoPs, fast forward to en myth release and EoPs eating it up regardless of actual quality of talents because they were hoping for a funny doog or another pekora.

>>8886910
Wow...i'm speechless...what a "talents"

>>8886977
Holofags must be so good at math. They love numbers.

>>8886862
Because they were first. That's the only reason. Niji had ID, and Hana was the only english-speaking vtuber from a Japanese company for a while, but no one was going to watch an indonesian streamer.
Holo got to ESL land first, they got the first streamers to sop up attention, thus they're propelled on momentum alone. At one time, long ago, before the EN branches existed, Hololive was really good and didn't have tons of management interference and hamstringing, and clips from that created the excitement around HoloEN. Success has changed Hololive, and now it's as personal as a Walmart, despite being extremely popular.

Don't you guys watch streams. It's JP prime time.

>>8887035
>holo talents:
>graduating, shitting on stream, making an entire board schizo, alcoholism

>>8886893
Yes, Hololive EN wouldn't have taken off! It's all JP fans! ENs are boring!

>>8887074
I am.

>>8887116
JP fans aren't clippers. SEA and Chinks are clippers. They were clippers because they got money from Hololive clips. That's why they flooded youtube with vtuber clips and thus made hype for HoloEN. Get it right.

There are a lot of samefags kek

>>8887094
More debuffs for Holos! Why??? Competitors, whaaa

>>8887204
t. samefag

>>8887196
>JP fans aren't clippers.
Thanks for making me laugh

>>8887196
Yes! It hasnt been a year and yet, HoloEN is the most successful! Thanks to the clippers! Oh wait! Clippers? how are they so popular with clippers when they're so boring!

>>8887116
Not like they hired an established YouTuber with close to a million subscribers as the face of their EN gen, knowing most of the fabs will migrate to her new account, lol.

>>8877362
Lion is just old, not fat.
Knight is no longer fat and was only ever chubby.
Wolf is fat.
Pirate is fat

>>8887388
Yes, all those 1 million? Bred and now 3 million! Gura didnt get any fans, its all her previous fans!

>>8887479
Yeah, just completely ignore how YouTube and its algorithm works, buddy.

>>8887549
Yes yes! They are boring and people subscribe for no reason! They dont have anything but numbers! They arent entertaining!

>>8887641
yup, just accept that and stop timelooping anonchama

>>8887055
Quite unique for a fanbase eh??? Holofags literally see numbers as entertainment! Such a phenomenon when people are talking about numbers, when its generally hated!

>>8875785
No. None of the holoEN girls can really match her exuberance and personality to play off. She's better in niji. Only shitty thing about that is she's gonna be collabing with their male vtubers alot

>>8887722
Timelooping? But im not, im only asking how are they so boring but so popular

>>8887641
>>8887759
Exactly. Your sarcasm doesn't work when you speak the truth.

>>8887930
But im still waiting for the an answer, tell meeeee

Fuck off holofucks
Holos are all boring
They don't have personality like nijiEN

>selen
i would prefer this seren trilingual vampire instead


she already have 3 garbs and one 3d

So boring Indeed, I THINK IF THEY WERE ENTERTANING, ALL OF THEM WOULD HAVE 5 MILLION SUBS ABOVE. DONT YOU THINK???

>>8888223
Now I'm not a numberfaggot but this question really grinds my almonds

>>8875785
hakos should be her desu instead of the ollie 2.0

HAHAHAHA

>>8888284
>>8888223
Remember Jake Paul and Pokimane have 20 times more subs than Gura . Twilight and 50 shade of grey are one of the most popular book. Justin Bieber are one of the most singers.

>>8888145
What's a definitive trait of Elira's personality?

>>8887843
>she's gonna be collabing with their male vtubers alot
Which only is a bad thing if you take the gfe thing too seriously and think any male interaction means (You) are getting cucked, in which case you're retarded.

>>8888506
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOOK AT THIS AHAHAHAHAA RETARD HAHAHAHAHA
>this

>>8888458
And thats what leads us to this very moment, EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD DOESN'T REVOLVE TO YOUR OWN ENTERTAINMENT.

CASE CLOSED.

>>8888588
it does for me. if they are shit and bring no value to me, they might as well not exist. hand over your subs gura, 99% of them are dead anyways

>>8888512
>implying gfe cuck even watch Nijisanji.

>>8888644
No...? We are alot you're a minority, you might not as well exist!!

>>8888673
True, my bad. Those make up 95% of holo's subs, I forgot.

>>8888588
That is not a good thing retard.

>>8875785
Selen is better than the entirety on HoloEN2

this is the most ESL thread i've seen on this board in weeks

>>8888744
What baffled me is that, in my experience, normalfag are generally more incline to shipping than waifuing. At least from my experience in normalfag anime community.

>>8888512
Selen is literally my wife, so I am literally being cucked, and it makes me extremely horny but she won't let me take this chasity cage off

From all arguments. This thread proved that holoEN is just a trash compares to nijiEN. Why are they popular again?

>>8886532
Looks like you haven't seem them. They're a clear example of diabetes winning against reasoning, a whales of humanity, a bacon factories.

>>8888971
Business 101
Brand > Merit

Thats exactly my point, they are so trash, and yet, they have the world by the balls even Holo dominates Korea lmao

>>8885730
This is just cope over Hololive EN. They represent the best of the best and the fact that you hate on them despite being the most talented and entertaining vtubers on the planet says a lot about how jealous your 2 view nijis just cant compete.

>>8889124
They just got lucky. They don't deserve anything

>>8889116
>Brand
>>8886049
>>8886513

>>8889172
THEY DIDNT WORK FOR IT!
THEY DIDN'T DESERVE IT!
THEY GOT LUCKY!

why are you retards even responding to the same guy schizoing over every comment? the convo with him ended like 50 messages ago.

>>8889219
Yes, it's true. And somehow nijiEN is underrated. Even though they are better

>>8889172
THEY DIDNT WORK FOR IT!
THEY DIDN'T DESERVE IT!
THEY GOT LUCKY!
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

I feel like Selen already has some talks with management and holds back a bit. If she became a holo she would be a shell of her nijiself right now.

>>8887370
>how are they so popular with clippers when they're so boring!
Because clips from sea and chinks was the only thing western audience had. There were no alternatives to compare with. Alternatives came only after youtube algo was spamming holo clips nonstop.
If there was an alternative from beginning, nobody would watch holo clips.

>>8889219
Literally. All corporate vtubers did, including niji. Especially everyone after the first wave of vtubers. That's why numbers should be absolutely irrelevant, yet people can't stop talking about it and let their own decisions and interest be dictated by them instead of watching what they like.

Apparently, asking about why are Hololive popular despite having no talent and being boring is shizoing

>>8887456
>Lion is just old, not fat
She is fat like a pig in a slaughterhouse.

>>8889314
based frowing poster

>>8889395
Doesn't change the fact when Niji was bigger than Holo, have uhh talents more than holo, more entertaining than Holo,

And yet Hololive being the boring that it is, managed to capture the clippers

>>8888588
And they are still fucking boring to me.

>>8889129
Funny coming from the sub botting gen.

Nijisanji having the same quality of vtubers as Hololive and making tribalists seethe is the best part.

>>8875785
>Gurakiller
>Still hasn't killed Gura

>>8875785
is she even the biggest in NijiEN?

>>8889764
>same quality
Nah. If they were the same soulless nepotism hires no one would talk about them.

>>8889575
Are you even reading people's posts? Or just answering after you read the first sentence?
Because, I repeat, Holo was first to enter sea and chink market, and as a result got first sea and chink clippers who screwed up yt algo in Holo's favor.

I wonder if retarded nijishill ever realises no amount of spamming will give selen the third viewer. No one cares about your literal who deal with it.

>>8888971
SEA hour is full falseflaggers. Just watch who you want to watch. HoloEN has a lot of talents that cannot be replicated by other chuubas.
Mori with her eminem rap and frequent music production (3 hours sleep / day).
Kiara has her multi-language solo/collab contents. She can speak three languages fluently and use them as contents.
Ina has professional drawing streams.
Gura has 5Hz singing voice, rhythm game and DbD.
Ame is just a variety streamer. She is running a decent show every two weeks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI2Csaks9Ew
IRyS has her JP karaokes. Her JP is even better than the HoloID.
EN2 just started, so I won't judge them this early. But Kronii has been the most interesting one for me so far.
Noone in NijiEN can replicated what EN is offering at similar polished levels, but at least they have Selen, who can play Apex, but Holo prefers idolfags than gamerfags anyway. Gamers are cheapskates. Even Ina who discourages donations get more SCs than Ame during her birthday, and she'll get more during her anniversary in 2 weeks.

>>8889902
>First to enter Chink market
Do you know what you're talking about?

>>8890063
>But Kronii has been the most interesting one for me so far.
aaaaand opinion discarded

>>8877272
https://streamable.com/lukpek

>>8890063
This is the proper bait these tribalposting threads need, instead of the endless buzzword or selen shitposting.

>>8890296
>holobrony knowing what xir talking about
Haha.

>>8890063
>Mori with her eminem rap
Lmao, she has her cringinem rap. Don't compare her with a legit artists. The only reason people her rap is still relevant is because no other notable vtuber does rap, because it's pretty cringe.
>Kiara has her multi-language solo/collab contents. She can speak three languages fluently and use them as contents.
Nothing unique here - a shit-ton of chuubas know 3 or more languages, especially NijiEN.
>Ina has professional drawing streams.
And yet her drawing streams get average HoloEN viewer amount. That's because nobody gives a shit about them.
>Gura has 5Hz singing voice, rhythm game and DbD
Singing - subjective; games - lmao, your argument for her advantage is a list of game names? You are beyond saving.
>Ame is just a variety streamer
Aka has nothing special about her.
>IRyS has her JP karaokes. Her JP is even better than the HoloID
Lmao, what a trait.
>Noone in NijiEN can replicated what EN is offering at similar polished levels
As you can see above, HoloEN doesn't offer anything good.

>he now resorts to buzzword
Sasuga

>>8875785
Being in Hololive would unironically be a debuff for her. She'd be forced to do the idol shit and not be able to have as much banter with chat or collab partners

>>8884554
Pomu - anime meme haha anituber haha let's watch the next Lost Pause videos haha
Elira - GFE
Finana - VShoujo
Wosemi - scuff magnet
Selen - one trick pony, not even top apex player in niji
Petra - who?

If this is the future EN, then I'm glad they are as irrelevant as ever.

>>8893589
Based

In a just world nijis would be more popular... they deserve it just as much as hololive

>>8894440
they'll get there eventually. in the mean time just enjoy comfier streams and getting your comments read

>>8893589
you should have just said you don't watch them but still don't like them and that would be fine too, no need to sound like a clueless retard

>>8884554
>Pomu
destroyed her growth potential with her surgery break and she's mostly just a meme anyways
>Elira
GFE, good GFE, but still just GFE nothing particularly special about her
>Finana
she's just VShoujo, if you're saying that that's the future of EN Vtubing then I'd rather live in the past.
>Wosemi
She is perfect
>Selen
She is perfect
also, you forgot
>Petra
but that's okay, because everyone does. Such a waste of a great design.

This doesn't really seem like the "future" of EN Vtubing, it seems like more of the same

>>8895835
>Elira
>GFE, good GFE, but still just GFE
Probably true, but this is the entirety of holo if we're totally honest.

>>8877509
I swear it sucks that Kiara is like the only one who's at least trying break the chains and act like herself.

>>8896379
Mori's acted like herself the whole time, she's just an awkward social retard

What does Petra even do? I swear she's a black hole and I never see her getting clipped

>>8897316
It's hard to tell sometimes if this is all them trying to act in-character or just showing their true colors

imagine not just enjoying both, without shitting up the board. couldnt be me

>>8897588
Cute face, swears like a sailor, usually ends up losing her temper in any game that's more than a walking sim and tearing into it. Prime bullying target in collabs but has started to bite back. She's better overall with other people to play off of but her solo streams have been getting a lot more engaging.

It's funny that Niji almost has a Gura tier entertainer, but managed to nerf her into the ground with a shit ass design.

>>8875785
Every time you post a Selen shill thread, her neck grows longer

>>8876417
Look at that purple keyboard in the background!

>>8877580
>The small numbers are unironically turning me off.
Just watch one stream or vod

>>8889764
They hired Petra and Rosemi, their talent scouts are way better than Cover’s

>>8886049
n-no it’s the brand! You know the one that carried Hololive back when they were literals whos kek

Where is Selen marriageposter?

>>8875785
She's definitely a better fit for Chaos.

>>8898298
Nah I don't think I will.

>>8875785
HAHAHAHAHAHA YEAH IT'D BE FUNNY IF I JUST WALKED UP TO GURA AND KABLAAM!! AHAHAHAHAHA SAME-NARA GURA!!! HAHAHAAHA

>>8877004
I dare you to fucking SC that to her.

>>8897316
yea but her real persona is boring as shit.

Selen didn't start at the first stream where super chats were broken....my super chat....my broken heart.

AAAH, why isn't Selen in Hololive?? Instead she's in Niji being tainted by males!!

>>8901126
>Instead she's in Niji being tainted by males!!
Sorry my dude, but she just loves my cock.

>>8877004
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*wheeze*AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The true Selen experience.

>>8875785
SELEN I KNOW YOU ARE /HERE/ I LOVE YOU SO MUCH PLEASE MARRY ME, I KNOW HOW TO DO OIL CHANGES

>>8901626
based

>>8901626
Oil changes in cars, deep friers, or industrial machinery?

>>8875785
She would laugh to all of Ina's jokes

>>8901843
I CAN DO THE FIRST TWO BUT CAN LEARN HOW TO DO THE THIRD

>>8876056
Dangerously based

>>8875785
No idea, never watched her or any other non-Hololive Vtubers. If the management allows her to collab with some Holomem I might give my opinion on her performance, as it is now go fuck yourself.

I'm curious.
Say hypothetically her and Kiara did a collab. Who would win in a banter battle? Kiara has proven multiple times she's more than capable of dishing out what's given to her and asserting dominance.

>>8899686
i killed him. Selen is mine now

>>8876056
So I take it you never watch anyone from EN?

>>8876056
But all women are whores.

>>8902533
>Kiara has proven multiple times she's more than capable of dishing out what's given to her and asserting dominance.

You mean against skittish pushovers like Nyanners? What a fucking joke, lmao. Selen would probably be the one to mindbreak Kiara, not the inverse.

What kind of animal is her pet? Lizard?

>>8875785
Hololive doesn't accept fat girls though

>>8880786
Really meh, voice is bad, doesn't fit avatar
She doesn't really have an interest in astronomy despite doing streams of it
Has a coomerbait model but isn't really into sexualizing herself as anything more than a joke

Feels really indie tier, but lackluster indie, the type that shouldn't have more than 25 concurrent viewers

>>8902733
Polka... Mio... Ogayu...

>>8902733
Any architects in here to confirm this?

>>8902733
Good, I can have her for myself

>>8902733
Literally best joke of all time.

>>8902745
those are the ones that do best in hololive

>>8902733
Okayu literally exists.

>>8880786
Surprisingly better than I expected, but still filtered because of her god awful mic in combination with her slurred accent. It's painfully obvious that she was prioritized over other audition candidates due to her numbers and connection to Ina, but I hope she settles in well despite that.

>>8880786
>brown

I haven't watched Selen since her voice (reminds me of pic related) filters me even worse than Kiara's voice did. Any good clips of her to see?

>>8903082
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftti1Wrz7T8

>>8876863
Cope

>>8902905
And yet she's doing the worst, because she's just not that interesting.
I'd rather watch a more interesting indie

>>8877004
Wtf, I actually like selen now?

>>8878726
Yes. Literally 95% of all selenfags are this obnoxious

>>8877004
her neck is too long

Great job my beloved nijishills. The thread is about to die so go ahead to the numbers thread and start posting Kuzuha and Selen. We will never stop until Anycolor reigns supreme.

Don't forget to dm me later for your pay. You don't want to miss it.

>>8905816
>number thread
Never heard of it