/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>9506724
>4channer viewerbase
I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

>I wish I didn't have to censor myself because I know if I showed how I truly am and speak, I would offend many basedboys and egirls left and right
thats not a vtuber specific problem, anon.

>>9506724
>I wish I didn't have to censor myself because I know if I showed how I truly am and speak, I would offend many soiboys and egirls left and right
You're just weak. Stop blaming other people for your own lack of fortitude.

>>9506724
>I cannot keep this facade when livestreaming, which has a very obvious impact in my viewer count.
That's because people loath insincerity. Be true to yourself.
>I know if I showed how I truly am and speak, I would offend many basedboys and egirls left and right (but mostly left).
So what? Are you in it for the money? Are you going to cultivate an audience of people you can't stand? Again, be true to yourself.
>I wish I could have a 4channer viewerbase.
Then do things anons will like. It's that simple. Unless you're going to do something that will get you banned outright from whatever platform you're using, literally nothing else is stopping you. What do you have to lose but a YouTube account?

R u a gril?

Is it time?

>>9506724
Do you remember Nyanners?

You don't want the 4chan viewerbase.

>>9506724
It's okay Carol, we still love you

I wish more people would uphold standards for entertainment. Nowadays its usually a cuck tranny show or a potty mouth half-assed performance or both. If lazy worked everyone would be doing, and a lot of streamers are which is why no one stands out anymore and you once again have to work your ass off. If you think you cant take having to put up a "facade" and arent happy with your working situation, then by all means quit and let someone else reach for the low hanging fruit that's rotting as we speak.

>>9506724
>4chan viewerbase
For the love of god please don't I don't to be pumped and dumped again.
>fake bubbliness and having to put an act for people
You could drop the act, I'm sure there is an audience for edytubers.

>>9506724
>WHY DOES NOBODY LIKES MY REALLY SHITTY ATTITUDE AND LACK OF CHARMING PERSONALITY REEEEEEE

There's a ton of great indie vtubers that have no filter, just be one of those. It's not like your success is guaranteed by being saccharine.

>>9506724
I'm convinced that a Gypsy Crusader style vtuber could be huge if you could avoid getting nuked off twitch/youtube

You sound like an obnoxious faggot that's annoyed that he can't act like an obnoxious faggot without consequences.

This is why I only watch Sayo "2 streams per year" Amemori. Her Nihongo is so fast no one even bothers translating her content.

Now That's how you keep your demographic from cancerous people

>>9506756
Hence why I wouldn't dare
>>9506783
I am aware, but it was relevant here because Vtubers are basically meant to be idols if they want to be successful
>>9506935
How do you interpretate other people getting offended easily as me being weak? Genuine question.
>>9507189
If you think other Vtubers are being true to themselves, either they are very good at acting, or you're easily fooled.
I am not in it for money. I know I lack of the talent to ever make any significant amount of it, and my unwillingness to act according to what "sells better" doesn't help.
>things anons will like
The problem comes with the promotion of it. Like I said, I wouldn't dare to post my links here. It already feels attwhory when I do ot in places that are designated for that kind of stuff.

found the stealth tsugu thread

Lets hit the bump limit this time Tsugu bros. Sayo-chads are welcome too.

She looks so peaceful

I love Tsugu!!!!

>>9506724
do you know how many Holos have gotten banned? I wouldn't worry about censorship anon if you make any kind of interesting content you're fucked anyway.

>>9508508
>because Vtubers are basically meant to be idols if they want to be successful
Of course not, the last thing people want from an indie is to act just like the holos, nothing would deflate my dick faster than giving an indie a chance and they try to be seiso, censoring themselves, using their terminology and not say "the bad words" plus calling out on it, specially when it doesn't fit their character/gimmick. Just don't spew channertalk like a dumb newfag trying to impress the older kids.

>>9508508
>Vtubers are basically meant to be idols if they want to be successful
retarded holoEOP take

>>9506724
You're an entertainer. Your job is to present an ideal to your audience and entertain them. If you want to be a sincere person then you shouldn't be a vtuber.

Seems like you're doing something wrong then. What do you even like about being a Vtuber? If you can answer that question then maybe you can find out how to love what you do.

>>9507578
Nyanners got rid of her edgy image as she became more known because she wanted to target a bigger audience. 4simps felt betrayed and started attacking her. Both ends did wrong, her for only caring about the money/growth and 4simps for believing she was even genuine until that point.
>>9507738
>quit and let someone else reach for the low hanging fruit that's rotting
You could say that about someone actually taking a position, like some of the Nijisanji or Hololive "talents" that actually have little to offer (there are definitely some). But about me? What am I taking exactly and from who? The people that watch me are into my content, and I truly enjoy streaming for them. I don't put a facade when streaming and that was clearly stated. What I was complaining about is the off-stream promotion and persona that you have to uphold as a Vtuber, mostly in Twitter.
>>9507744
I'm not that edgy as I probably sounded. It was a rant after all.
>>9507943
>proceeds to watch so called charming Vtubers speaking in a very fake high pitch and forcedly being sweet to everyone
>>9507993
Indeed. I'm aware sometimes is a matter of luck, and also how much money/effort you're going to invest into promotion and and content. I absolutely agree there are great indie Vtubers with genuine personalities, and that's why I said I despise the *vast majority* and not all of the community.
>>9508082
Sayo only works because cute japanese girl voice. Try doing the same exact type of content in English and all you get is cringe.
>>9509962
You have a point. What I was calling out is how hard it usually is to grow if you don't have that type of overly sweet bubbly persona.
>>9510282
That's a tldr of what I meant with my post and what I was ranting about
>>9510716
It seems I am being taken wrong here. Maybe I didn't express myself correctly here. I do love what I do. What I don't like is that the community overestimates the canonical sweet uwu vtuber and that holding those types of persona alongside a good model will almost guarantee a decent degree of popularity.

>>9511032
>What I don't like is that the community overestimates the canonical sweet uwu vtuber and that holding those types of persona alongside a good model will almost guarantee a decent degree of popularity.
In that case, it doesn't hurt to test the waters with a little bit of experimentation. Look at Haachama, for instance. She didn't go the schizo arc route all at once, she eased her way into it by playing with formats. Granted, Haachama also has a massive community providing assets for her which definitely helped her, but my point is that if you want to shift your personality to a more comfortable position, it doesn't have to be an overt shift, you can try moving yourself in a direction and seeing if it pays off before progressing further in the direction. In that way, you can find out exactly what you can get away with.

Anon (femanon?), you're doing it wrong. You're not supposed to be "fake"; you just have to not be an asshole about who you are. There is a difference between self censoring and being polite. As long as you don't devolve yourself into Pippa or Futakuchi, being authentic (as one could get for being an eceleb) is actually better for you in the end.

You're not Futakuchi... right?

Captcha: V4T2G

>>9511543
>Pippa or Futakuchi
quick rundown?

>>9511032
I'll tell you something. Do you know why Nijisanji released so much vtubers? Not because le throw something until they stick like Holobronies said. It's because they want to fill every niche. Not everyone like fake ass seiso vtubers. Some people like cringe bro like Kuzuha, some people like weird ass comedian like Chaika. Some peoples want someone that they can relate ike Yashiro. Some people like someone that is basically anime character like Mayuzumi. Some people like asshole like Sasaki. Some people like drunkard like Emma. Everyone have their own taste. If numbers is not really important for you, than bee urself. You don't need to be same as other vtubers. Carve your own niche and create a character that you can be honest and comfortable about. Remember, the great thing about vtuber is that you are practically anonymous. Nobody know who you are unless you doxxed yourself.

>>9511301
This is a nice advice, but again I think I'm being misunderstood. I don't have a problem with my personality, but I do have to constantly watch over what I say unconsciously. On my most previous stream, I killed a hard-to-identify gendered creature, and I said "he, she, they, whatever it is. I don't know. This is 2021, we can't assume what the monster identifies as" in an ironic manner. If someone got offended by it, they were not vocal about it, but I was worried. This is the kind of stuff that I constantly have to censor myself over.
>>9511543
What I am ranting about is the fake ones having significantly faster growth than genuine Vtubers.
>>9511543
>>9511801
I knew who Pippa was but never watched her content. I just did and she sounds fake af. Forced attitude. Heavens forbid me.
Mana is cool and honestly I have 0 complains about her. She knows what she's doing and she's good at it. Her personality seems pretty chill and genuine too. She's lucky that she started having a team/money to make good content right away.
>>9512228
Wise words anon. It's just that all the people you've mentioned already had a huge promotional team behind that promoted them with what they were going to offer, so people that were looking for that kind of content had it easier to find them. As a small indie, it's very hard to grow if you can't catch people's attention outside of the stream, which "uwu Vtubers" usually do with an overuse of emojis, "!!!" and cringy invitation lines.

>>9511801
>Pippa
/here/, panders to the alt right

>Futakuchi
Tankie, Menhera, Mudslime, Meltdown over Palestine

>>9512913
>What I am ranting about is the fake ones having significantly faster growth than genuine Vtubers.
I know that you're ranting about that. My point is that you shouldn't pretend to be what you're not even on Twitter because people will eventually come over to your side while being authentic and you will feel much better about yourself. Unless what you want is money, then you just hoe out, bitch... no such thing as reward without sacrifice.

>>9512992
wtf im going to watch both of them now??

>>9512913
Well, if it's any consolation I think you're being pretty civil about being misunderstood behind the mask of anonymity, so you've got that going for you. I guess in that case, all I can say is if a situation does blow up in your face, that's gonna matter a lot. Many people who get "canceled" often make their situation worse with how they immediately respond in kneejerk.
But don't forget, being "fake" does have a cost (for some), and that's peace of mind. You might grow slower than those that are good at the act, but you need to work within what fits your headspace. It's just yet another way that it's not a level playing field, people who are naturally good at becoming what's popular have an advantage. To that end, I'd say that maybe what you need is to reframe the situation: visualize it as a deliberate allocation of mental capital. Decide exactly how much you're willing to sacrifice, whether it be your "realness" or your numbers.

>>9512913
>This is the kind of stuff that I constantly have to censor myself over.
Why do you care. Stop pandering to this kind of audience

>>9511032
>proceeds to watch so called charming Vtubers speaking in a very fake high pitch and forcedly being sweet to everyone

Comedians fake exaggerated emotions for their punchlines, singers act all energetic and hype up their audience regardless of how they're currently feeling.
Most entertainers always have been acting to improve their performance's appeal. I interact with people being themselves every day, why would I watch one online?

>>9511032
>What I don't like is that the community overestimates the canonical sweet uwu vtuber and that holding those types of persona alongside a good model will almost guarantee a decent degree of popularity.
Do you think that all non uwu JPchuubas feel the same way seeing all the popular ones be uwu cute? Or do they just do whatever the fuck they want? The answer may surprise you

>>9512913
>I knew who Pippa was but never watched her content. I just did and she sounds fake af. Forced attitude. Heavens forbid me.
Nah she genuinely is that cringe. Whatever bullshit pops into her head leaks out of her mouth with zero filter.

>>9513227
But the majority of Vtubers do put up this kind of act. They shouldn't, but they do. And that's why they can grow, because it's what people like to see even if it's disgustingly fake. There are hardly any authentic Vtubers, some of them just let you see a bigger glimpse of their true personality than others do.
I have never pocked in a single $ from stream revenue. Every bit of it goes into improving the stream quality/visuals or commissioning artwork. I already have a full time job that pays my expenses.
>>9513615
Thanks anon. I know. I try to stay as neutral as possible but I can't help it in some situations. If I see an opportunity to drop one of my "distasteful" jokes, I'll probably take it without thinking of the consequences about it in that moment. Also, if it wasn't quite obvious, English is not my first language, which so far didn't give me any issue when streaming, but I feel it can get me into a misunderstanding in the future since it happened irl before.
I'll take the slow growth for now tho. At least while I work on being a "livestreaming friendly" person while still being myself.
>>9513772
Because this IS the audience. People get offended by everything nowadays. You never know who might be watching the stream. It only takes one person with slight influence to get you canceled.
>>9513815
Then that is not a charming personality. Just a good act.
>>9513987
You can't compare the JP community to the EN one, specially the viewerbase. Western weebs watch them and they can have many different type of personalities, but they still sound anime-like to them. In the EN Vtuber community, if you don't speak in a high pitch or a sexualized tone, you're just a normal person.
>>9513994
I just got the fake vibe from the bit of her current livestream I just watched. I guess I'll try to watch more another time to make a more fair judgment.

>>9514663
ESL. Likes Mana Futakuchi. Why does this thread smell like Jollibee's all of the sudden?

>>9514663
>And that's why they can grow, because it's what people like to see even if it's disgustingly fake.
It's fake, but not disgusting. The whole point is to minimize friction. If someone knows they're not a shining persona, but they still try to present themselves that way, they benefit both themselves and the viewer. They become able to blend in, and the audience gets to see something pleasant without piling on additional concerns.

>>9506724
What do you want to do?
What do you want to put out?
That's it. Don't worry about anything else.

>>9514663
>this IS the audience
It isn't you chose to get the kind of viewers that care about cancelling people, it's all on you for associating with them.

Post pussy

>>9506724
It's not that you are forced to be bubbly and nice to promote yourself, it's that no one wants to watch a depressed, boring, attention seeking chuuba.

>>9514663
About the whole "how much of the persona is fake", the Vtuber persona you're putting out there isn't really "you", it's closer to "your art". This is true of every person who has a hobby or career of putting yourself in front of a camera for the audience even if they're supposedly playing themselves. After all, you are trying to deliver an experience for them.
Some people prefer the art they make or consume to be artificial and safe (Say, Garfield), and some people put a lot of themselves into their art, or prefer art that's made by people who do (to use a similar example, Calvin and Hobbes). Both exist, and one makes a hell of a lot more money than the other.
I suppose the difference is that people don't generally form parasocial relationships with Jim Davis or Bill Watterson. But disregarding that, I think it's a fair comparison.

>>9515368
Art may as well be the most genuine expression of yourself
thus, a proper vtuber persona should be anything but fake; they should be your real feelings extrapolated into form

>>9512913
>"he, she, they, whatever it is. I don't know. This is 2021, we can't assume what the monster identifies as"
Imagine getting cancelled over such a shitty, over used joke.

>>9514663
>Then that is not a charming personality. Just a good act.

It's an act on the part of the roommate, but it's the personality of the character they're portraying. Unless your Vtuber avatar is clearly just you (like Pokimane's or that of most e-celebs that dabbled in vtubing when it became trendy), there's a clear distinction. Vtuber channels are advertised as, and mostly watched, for the character and not the person behind it; the whole point of not talking about roommates is to keep the two seperate.
If you dislike that practice, feel free to. But it's not much more sensible than disliking AVGN for acting "fake". If anyone watched him rant about Action 52 or Castlevania, and someone told them that he wasn't really an angry gamer that still uses a PC from the 90s, who would be surprised by that? Everyone knows it's a character, you watch it for the character, you talk about the character's personality independently of the personality of the actor.

I don't get it. You say you aren't in it for the money , then why force yourself to be something that doesn't make you comfortable? To not get cancelled? You know that's a nothing burger. Jontron literally said niggers are born criminals and he's still getting sponsors and millions of views, and from what i read your jokes are just edgy 14 yo filthy frank watcher tier. Also, who the fuck are you? No one is going to care if you say nigger, nobody knows or cares about you. Make the content you want instead of feeling jealousy over chuubas that don't need to be edgy to have an audience and be fun.

>>9506724
this site has been infiltrated by glowies and tourists anyway. it's like 90% reddit at this point. also
>4channers
we just simply call it "retards" here.

>>9506724
Just show the tits.

>>9506724
You sound like a bitch

>>9515082
It disgusts me how this is the most popular archetype of vtuber, but props to the Vtubers themselves for being able to keep the act for so long. This is a totally valid skill as any other. It's the people that think they're being genuine (and it's a huge number of people) what bothers me. They've been enabling this type of behavior from becoming more and more popular since other Vtubers see this is what drags the most attention/validation.
>>9515176
Grow. I've been stuck in the same point for a while because like I said I have a hard time promoting myself without feeling attwhory.
Quality content/gameplay. Playing what I want, not what's popular. Not having to overlook my words.
It's hard to not worry when what I want to achieve conflicts with what I want to put out.
>>9515196
You don't choose who clicks on your streams randomly. Most of the times I just promote using #ENVtuber. It's not like I'm looking for a specific audience.
>>9515279
Me not being attention seeking is the exact problem why I can't promote myself anon
>>9515368
I know. Some like to fully play a character, some like to be themselves using a fictional lore (like me). If you audition for big companies, you're applying as a "voice actor".
Most people like Vtubing because is less cringe to have a persona if you're an anime character than if your face is displaying on screen.
>>9515543
This is why is just a glimpse of their true personality. Most of them are usually not 100% acting, and you can see a hint of their ironic, energetic, cheery, gloomy personality. But usually what sells the best is the "uwu anon come watch me im a smol loli with gigantic bouncy booba and I play apex <3"
>>9515734
It wasn't even a joke, I genuinely think this gender identifying trend is stupid. I've seen people getting canceled, or at least bad-mouthed over less.
>>9516089
Once more, this is not the subject of my rant. My problem is not with the acting of a character.
>>9516110
I'm far from making enough to live from it, and I highly doubt I'll ever reach that point, which I'm okay with. Not in it for the money I can assure you that.
It was an example because it just happened recently. It's the first time I've said something that made me worry someone could get offended.
Is not jealously. It's just that I don't want the average Vtuber community members (basically Twitter ones) around me, but that conflicts with growing.
>>9516436
My model has a completely covered C-cup. You just unsolved the mistery of my slow growth.

>>9517030
HOLY FUCKING WORDS
>You don't choose who clicks on your streams randomly
Then you shouldn't care if one of them is the cancel culture type because they wouldn't be watching if your shit panders towards them

>>9506724
show tits whore.

>>9507326
probably a dude pretending to be a female vtuber.

>>9517030
God just stop being a cunt and stream. All of the problems you list are YOURS not of the community.

>>9506724
A lot of the big vtubers started off PC and cutesy but settled into a different personality that they felt more comfortable with.
Although it might not be their IRL one, it's something that's easy to slip into doesn't mentally strain them at all.
Maybe you need to find a personality to perform that's marketable without being toxic to your mental health

>>9517030
If you aren't in it for the money then all this complaining is irrelevant. Just do what you want

Based menhera streamer having a breakdown yelling into the void
Drop your fucking link you menhera I want to see you cry pleeeeease

>>9517661
She says she's not an attention whore but does it only for the views. Women moment.

You yourself choose what kind of community you want to build. If you are worried that someone might get offended about something you say, then you are clearly trying to appeal to them too. Either you make the effort and stop saying controversial things or you tell them to leave your stream if they complain.

anon if youll answer
whats your average viewer count for your streams?

>Vtubers being fake or doing things they are actually uncomfortable with
Yeah the bad ones.

>>9517030
>It's the people that think they're being genuine (and it's a huge number of people) what bothers me.
Trust me, it's an act on multiple sides.

>>9517570
I didn't list any "problem" I just pointed out my dislike for certain things. I am streaming on a daily basis, thanks for the concern.
>>9517614
I agree. That's why on most cases people opt to act a character that reflect how they are irl, so they have an easier time. But in some cases you can see how intense the act is that it becomes cringe and unbearable.
>>9517661
This complaining is relevant to me because I felt like ranting today. Over the time, I've seen people blow up with minimum effort just because they attwhorism over others that have worked reallely hard and today I witnessed such an obvious example of it. There was a trigger to this post.
>>9517685
https://youtu.be/OVHUwxaOSyU
>>9517686
Why else would you stream if not for people to watch you? If it was just for content despite views people would make videos instead.
>>9517796
Below 100. I've only got over that number twice. It's pretty unstable depending on what I'm playing.

>>9517570
idk girls just like to talk alot

>>9517686
hate to break it to you, but all vtubers are attention whores anon. no vtuber wants to stream to 2 viers

>>9518676
Guys who make tons of songs about menhera girls are weird

>>9508508
>How do you interpretate other people getting offended easily as me being weak? Genuine question.
>caring about whether or not people are offended by you
Weak.

You sound underage. Get some help

>>9518676
>Why else would you stream if not for people to watch you? If it was just for content despite views people would make videos instead
So your problem is that despite putting on a fake personality that you belive it's going to give you easy views you are still stagnating? Then just make the content you want if being seiso is not working for you. Stop with the "cancelling" boogey man, in fact if it ever happens that would only benefit you because you could get the 14 yo edgelord fanbase you want. It seems like you are stagnating because you have the personality of a wood log and not because the community only wants "uwu girls". You seem like a pick me menhera.

>>9517375
Inb4 zentreya is tired of a wholesome community

>>9506724
you don't want that either
groomers on here are fucking insufferable. I got close to a somewhat popular vtuber here and I saw what happens when you get to close to your fans.
Keep them at a distance, and keep up the facade. It's much better than the alternative.

>>9518676
So someone pandered to another person and got a big opportunity? That's also a valid strategy to grow, you know? timthetatman and ComedyRussell were mods in sodapoppin's chat. Greekgod was a Tyler1 sniper and Vadikus got a streamer career after getting banned by forsen.

>>9519103
Who's going to be the first /here/ chuuba to commit an hero live?

>>9518676
I think it's time for you to leave this thread. You already got enough feedback. No need to engage the dramaniggers and the doxxschizos.

>>9519103
>I got close to a somewhat popular vtuber here and I saw what happens when you get to close to your fans.
What happened in your case? Groomer general again?

>>9519748
it's like they try to control the vtuber, they aren't hostile per se but they act incredibly protective and eventually the vtuber gets spooked and stops interacting as much

it's not a case of it happening to a singular vtuber.
there was a popular japanese vtuber and I joined a private discord server with a couple of other people. people i've recognized before. there's like this weird group of people that know all the secret people or secret channels.
this girl just wanted to speak english with some fans but these people were so demanding and controlling that she just bailed.

>>9520021
People have expectations of entertainment that's trying to get them to pay money. If you don't like that, do it for free.
>>9506724
Imagine being more cancel proof and more guaranteed to get paypigs than a man and still whining that you don't have it easy enough.

>>9520021
>it's like they try to control the vtuber, they aren't hostile per se but they act incredibly protective and eventually the vtuber gets spooked and stops interacting as much
I know this story, yeah.

The amount of dramaniggers and schizo OP has baited is actually impressive.

Keep up your fake shit OP

>>9520448
I think they're done

>>9506724
Have you tried just being a less bitter and angry person, anon? Maybe it's you who is the problem?

>>9516110
> Jontron literally said niggers are born criminals

I must have missed that episode.

More importantly though are you actually a woman? If you are a babiniku/furry/deep-voice-trans/etc. I will literally cancel you for being a retard

>>9507189
>Unless you're going to do something that will get you banned outright from whatever platform you're using
All I want is to do anti globohomo zatsudans without the kikes constantly banning my channel.

What a crybaby Jesus lord

>>9506724
Basically you are Holden Caulfield from The Catcher in the Rye who thinks maturity equals phoniness. There is a reason why teachers love to recommend that book for teenagers.

It is always easy to be the anonymous coward who criticizes and shits on public figures. But that means it is hard to be the one under public scrutiny because any rando can shit on you for the smallest things. You also need a brain that can understand the social consequences of your own actions, which is a skill an anonymous troll has no need to learn. If there is any consolation, it's not just you. Any teacher, orator, comedian, politician or human-facing professional must learn these soft skills.
These skills do not make you fake, unless you are wholly defined by your base instincts and impulses. You always have a choice in who you are.