/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/ (RIP)
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

>>9491686
This sounds absolutely retarded and I'm going to assume it is until proven otherwise

>>9494943
Only 326 replies?
That one got archived fast.

I come back to the numbers thread for the first time in a while and what do I find? Incomprehensible graphs, No Vnuma, and long walls of text. Uhm, Who the fuck is behind this? Why must you ruin the one place where a shitflinger like me feels at peace. Why?

>>9495160
There's alot of thread churn on the board for the past few hours for some reason, alot of generals have been getting kicked off too.

>>9495240
This is nothing without "eating curry meshi™ from the floor" srome sort of ethnic variation. Try again

>>9495249
There's a thread that's about to get knocked off the board and the last post is only two hours ago, something fucky is going on

>>9495240
Vnuma's been dead for so long that it had 2 successors who also died.

but
>piyo will be back any day now!

Basically, blame it on very poor planning on the people that made those sites and their complete rejection in receiving help for sustaining said sites.

>>9495288
Well in the past hour there's been sixteen threads created, including this one. Is this normal?

>>9495446
I don't know I don't usually pay attention to board activity like this

Once upon a time. The numbers thread was used as a Containment Thread where Doomposters, Tribalfaggots and Falsflaggers would live in constant chaos. But in hopes of bringing peace to the containment thread, an Anon appeared with their graphs and analysis. Completely abolishing the current order. But before the Anon could even witness the fruits of their labour. He miraculously disappeared. To this day numberfagging was never the same again. Rip numberfagging.

nijikr? owatta

>>9495446
>Is this normal?
Nope, caught me off guard, I was expecting last thread to last enough for a nap

>>9494943
roboco mogging

>>9494943
>yfw rbc

>Holostats is back

>>9495675
Korean schizos make Japanese and even the vilest SEAnig in /vt/ look like little babies. Numbers isn't the only reason NijiKR switch to Japanese.

>>9494943
ALL KNEEL TO ROBOCO!!!!!

>>9496014
I KNEEL MY QUEEN! Winning the day UNASSISTED!

>>9495963
>Numbers isn't the only reason NijiKR switch to Japanese.
is the main one tough.

>>9494943
i forgot hima existed

>>9495963
Korean schizos got mad at Ame for using the peace flower background during her karaoke one time because they assumed it was a reference to the rising sun flag.

>>9494943
I can't believe "the hobo of hololive" somehow got 1st place. Slow stream day? Either way, this is still impressive. Roboko, I KNEEL.

I am betraying INA for sony presentation...
just wondering does these presentations effect number much?

fauna from 9.5k to 8.5k after ina started
myght drop another 1k after kroni starts.
Still decent numebrs.

>>9495963
dissolve if there's no point.

>>9496693
I'm stealing this image

September 12 and September 15 will be days to observe the numbers

>>9498075
I stole it first. It's mine.

Kuzuha BTFO!
https://twitter.com/astelleda/status/1435981909440360458

>>9498333
God of midgets

>>9498769
Well he is s short guy

Gura's Zhang Tiktok numbers.

>>9499669
That's what,75.8 million views?
That's....quite a bit for someone who doesn't even officially use the platform...
How does that compare to their internal chubbas?

So NijiEN dropped in numbers because of HoloEN2 correct?

>>9499669
>>9499979
Vtubers, especially the zoomers are perfect for that platform.

>>9500181
Not really.
Their numbers were already low before and now they're killing each others numbers by all streaming at the same time.
The allure of Selen's apex is also wearing off a bit (5k to 3k now) and NijiEN gets no Minecraft buff so the others don't really have any buff games to play.

>>9498123
What a coincidence Fanexpo next week and A-chan rushing to improve her english proficiency next week, in anticipation of travelling abroad.

20k "concurrent" over 5k for all 3 which is decent.
The days of EN pulling over 15k apart from Gura are over imo unless it's some really wacky shit they're doing.

Your tranny's viewers aren't looking too good holobronies

>>9500606
Well I asked because the increased competition likely plays some role. I did watch some Finana and Selene prior to Gen2, but none afterward. Though it was more causal for me.

As for why they’re streaming at same time for collabs or whatnot? It’s likely to draw interest back, not really about looking good number-wise. Which means they know a problem has occurred.

>>9500749
Yea, this was bound to happen to some extent with overlap + back to school double whammy, but it's still more than what one chubba in EN would be pulling during this time.
It's just....I wish they'd have more consistent streaming times like Ina does.

>>9496693
Slow day. Even FBK managed to get back into top 10 and I can't remember last time she did that without collab / special circumstances (she usually does decent outside of kusoge, but not anywhere near top 10 material)

Gura is pretty stable number wise.

I wonder how many NA/EU people even care about EU V-Tubers in general, I'm a Yuro and apart from Ina I really do not care about them, I just really find the JP side so much more entertaining, better collabs better content even if I can't understand them.

>>9500749
the drop from almost 10 to 6k for fauna really tells about the voerlap.

>>9500887
unless they are sstreaming at super late hours they will alwasy overlap reagrdless of being consistant or not. And super late hours arent tat good for numbers either.

>>9500800
>As for why they’re streaming at same time for collabs or whatnot? It’s likely to draw interest back
Poor planning if they're not making it explicit.
Both AKUKIN relay, Usaken relay, sports festival and portal relay made very good use of the "special event" appeal to rope people back into Hololive through Minecraft events.

If NijiEN girls aren't making it explicity they're wasting a good chance

>>9500800
>I did watch some Finana and Selene prior to Gen2, but none afterward. Though it was more causal for me.
Ngl I am the same lol. I used to watch some NijiEN in between Holo streams, but after Council, I haven't had time to check out any of their streams. Watching Myth and Council is already taking up all my free time.
I do still think their overlap and debuff game choices are the biggest reasons for their declining numbers. There are days when 5 are streaming at once, all playing random games.

>>9496693
>Slow stream day?
don't be stupid. there's one reason and one reason only why roboco's collab got the numbers that it did.

>>9501033
EU doesnt care about vtubers in general.
Even the french twitcth chuba doesnt pander to them.

I know some literal whos have streamed for months but this girl's been going for over 4 days now and never went under 200 viewers even when she was sleeping

>>9500887
> It's just....I wish they'd have more consistent streaming times like Ina does
Probably still trying out to find their comfortable slots. IRyS used to stream over a lot of timezones during her first two weeks, too, but she has settled down to mainly US night / JP noon or JP night / US early morning nowadays

>>9496693
>>9501055
It should be higher. Botan + Suisei + Pekora totals way more than just 28k. Guess nobody wants to watch Roboco no matter what.

>>9500749
Covid boost is over at last

>>9501209
I mean it was in 11pm JST on a weekday when they started it and all the kids and salarymen will be going to bed, You're not gonna get huge numbers at that time.

>>9501036
>the drop from almost 10 to 6k for fauna really tells about the voerlap.
Not saying there's no overlap, but Spore does lose viewers over time even without it.

https://holo.poi.cat/stream/nQO56Kt-AUo

>>9500749
Even ina is slower and she is drawing the other myth girls.

>>9501209
>It should be higher
kek, don't let the jealousy cloud your judgement, kind anon

What kind of numbers would a Pekora collab with Kuzuha get?

>>9501297
she went from 9.5k to 8kafter ina started
then 7.5k when going to the bathroom and kroni aprpcoehd and now it is 6.5k after kroni.
She would still be 8k without them, even ina would be beyond 10k.

WTF is that "dent" in the chart

>>9499979
Not a Zhang myself, I just occasionally browse the Chink vtuber boards.

This is one of their most popular home grown chuubas (not counting the ones that were already famous before and just repurposed their accounts), and she has less than 10 million views on Tiktok.

>>9501454
BATHROOM break
but people took the chance to migrate to ina.

HoloEN numbers

>>9501324
6-10k is Ina's norm she's got a pretty loyal following, Probably the best out of the whole of EN.

>>9501469
>A-SOUL
I remember that they became popular after Hololive out from China. There is a rrat that company behind this actually very dirty in terms of competition.
Their 3d is great though

>>9501616
>Probably the best out of the whole of EN.
As a percentage of viewers probably.

>>9500800
Wave 3 might end up being a bloodbath for Wave 1/2 if they decide to keep overlapping.

Is it safe to say Mumei is new #1 for Gen2?

>>9501616
for drawing streams specialy when she draws other holos is usualy above 10k
so it does affecther a little even if she affects the other more

>>9501656
there is no way they throw a wave 3 and a male wave after seeing this numbers.

>>9501696
Literally 2 days ago

>>9501779
they're already confirmed Anon..

>>9501837
they arent going to throw them this soon.

>>9501631
Yeah, the rrat being that they instigated the whole Taiwain fiasco.

Funny thing is that the Chinks are actually coping pretty hard about losing Hololive now.

>>9501779
If Anycolor let small numbers deter them from releasing more chuubas, there wouldn't be dozens of NijiKRs and NijiIDs.

>>9501696
Nah, Kronii still number one. Part 3 of debuff playthroughs like Frostpunk and Hollow Knight aren't indicitive of a decline. Now if she only got 6k for a new game then yeah, but she had 14k for freaking Stories Untold of all games. Lets just wait and see. Kronii and Mumei do seem to be the big dogs for Gen 2 though.

>>9501800
There were important differences in overlap to be fair.

>>9501877
they introduced Niji EN "2" two months after the first three.

>>9501800
I'm going to keep spreading the tranny rumors until Mumei overtakes her.

>>9501779
Wave 3 and 4 are confirmed already.
I figure they will debut Wave 3 (girls) sometime next month. Their appearances are perfect for an October release and it would follow what they do for international branches.
>>9501901
Any details on that? I'm curious.

>>9501779

their viewers as a percentage of subscribers mog every holo into the dirt, their membership and superchat numbers are great, and theyve done nothing but incline since debuting. considering that niji was almost an absolute unknown in the EN tubing world prior to lazulight, wave 1 and 2 have been immense successes.

plus nijiKR is on like generation 6 or something already and they're lucky to break 200 viewers per stream.

>>9501696
Not yet, Mumei has a better week (MC, drawing, collab w/ bae, hosting council collab) than Kronii (mucho texto, 3rd episode of sim, 3rd episode of platform), but Kronii still has a larger fanbase than Mumei (SC reading numbers, 6k vs 5k).

>>9501962
I doubt it has anything to do with that. To me, people probably feel that Kronii is not upbeat or cheerful enough, and it may drag things down for them. It’s hard to say exactly though.

>>9501877
They'll debut October for the Haloween theme.

>>9502075
>their viewers as a percentage of subscribers mog every holo into the dirt
the 20% of 100 is still less than the 5% fo 1000

>>9502075
>their viewers as a percentage of subscribers mog every holo into the dirt
The rest of your post will sound a lot less pathetic if you didn't start with this cope. Even then, Council's subcounts are still low and they mog NijiEN's "viewers as a percentage of subscribers".

>>9502075
>percentage of subscribers
This is the new NijiCOPE and its totally meaningless. Some guy with 1 subscriber and 1 viewer has 100% viewer to subscriber ratio. That means he is doing better than HoloEN I guess. Pack it up Cover.

>>9502075
> percentage of subscribers
Thousands of literal-who indies are beating them with their 2 views and 10 subs.
Using a metric that put your chuubas second last just to place the top dogs last place is a very sad cope.

When will they learn to just bite the bullet and start streaming on twitch already? Nobody can compete with hololive on youtube. Elira can't even reach 2k anymore.

I think NijiEN folks blame Holo Gen2 for their lower numbers, and that’s been causing some extra conflict lately. It’s probably just that the West can support only so many VTubers, so people are forced to choose.

>>9502485
As a NijiEN watcher it's just that they keep fucking overlapping. Sit on Nijimado for a while during Japanese hot hour and watch the viewers all run towards heavy hitters while the small fishes are still streaming.

>>9501901
Really? They're coping NOW after Hololive's been gone since last year?
I do find it fucking hilarious how effortlessly Gura is mogging the numbers even when she isn't even there. Speaking of such, how does Ai-chan compare in Zhang tiktok?

>>9502449
Never because Nijisanji doesn't want to give Hololive a complete monopoly on Youtube.
>>9502485
They're the same ones that were arguing that NijiEN wouldn't lose any viewership to HoloEN2.

>>9502075
>their viewers as a percentage of subscribers mog every holo into the dirt, their membership
Kek
>theyve done nothing but incline since debuting.
Sir this is the number thread Petra is already averaging 3 digits

>>9502449
At least wait an hour for Finana, she'll probably reach 1.2k.
Transitioning to streaming on Twitch isn't always easy too. They'll have to debase from their 100k+ subs, which is not small by Niji standards. Youtube subs are cooler than Twitch followers too.

>>9502280
>>9502342
>>9502434
>>9502446
>it's cope except when it serves MY narrative

Enjoy your dead subs I guess lol

>>9502592
giving that twitcth are losing streamers to youtube i think is dumb to move to twitch at thsi point or fi you are looking to stay on tis in te long run.

>>9502749
If Youtube is offering exclusivity contracts now then it sounds like they're starting to become invested in their streaming platform.

>>9502749
I’m surprised that VShojo didn’t try a test-move to YouTube, particularly to see if Gura’s audience gets recommended their streams or whatnot. Or if they could blend in and leech audiences from EN. Probably won’t work, but who knows.

>>9502642
Maybe, EN2 sub debuff is not bad event. Their numbers feel more genuine with less hako-ohi buff. I reckon Kronii would have beaten IRyS by this weekend if the debuff didn't happen.

>>9502908
Vshojo heavily relies on twitch culture and features to thrive.
It would also force them to clean up seeing how Youtube is trigger happy about demonetizing if you're NSFW.

>>9502075
>their viewers as a percentage of subscribers
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, someone really took the time to type that unironically

>>9503056
I don’t think they would have to change much, given the other videos you see on YouTube all the time. It’s mainly that Cover has its own restrictions on talents. Though lately, Cover has been loosing up a bit.

>>9502908
They would not have been able to do their 3D hot tub stream on youtube so nah. A lot of their content is reaction to youtube clips too so it's not VOD-able anyways.

>>9503152
>It’s mainly that Cover has its own restrictions on talents
Once bite twice shy, from a time Youtube was killing Mel streams just for existing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aM2QDvZJZQ

>>9502449
I'm surprised that she cant break 2k anymore.. From 3k avg (highest NijiEN avg) to 1.7k avg.... Elira reclined so hard.

>>9503277
Seems the midrange is settling around 1.8k

>>9503056
also reactionary content they like to do would be dead since that shit actually cant copytstrike the livestream itself.
They cant survive on youtube on teir current content.

>>9503252
>for simply existing
No. There are things YouTube does that are corrected later, because the AI is dumb. Existing isn’t a cause.

Gura with Sims4 in 2 hours. Predictions?

>>9503482
IMO, less than last time because the character creation is the biggest draw for Sims streams.
12-15k.

>>9503482
No overlap today, but lower than her peak last time (19k) since she's no longer creating characters, which is the most interesting part of sims.

>>9503567
I’m saying 25k.

>>9503482
At least 14k.

>>9503482
less than last time so probably 15k

>>9502075
>and theyve done nothing but incline since debuting
Doesn’t look like that during the last two months to me >>9503277

>>9502449
Is genshin a debuff game or is it just normal finana numbers?

is holostats hitting the max API quota? this happened thrice now and always at the same early JP - afternoon NA time.

>>9503482
Second time playing plus the start of the schedule
I would say struggle to get 14k

>>9502485
You'd think audiences would prioritize them, since you know, they got to cultivate an audience first

>>9503663
She was just starting there (6’ in). She’s reached 1.1k now, more or less in line with her median CCV, so I’d say it’s normal for Fianna

>>9503663
it is a gacha
it is only a buff when new charatcers releases and you are pulling.

>>9503435
>"that are corrected later", he says without a hint of irony the day after Iofi of all chuubas got her channel banned by the AI
I can only imagine what would happen if Youtube looks at the channel, determines it really "violated our Community Guidelines" and reply with this to Cover.

Being on your best behaviour when your livelihood is at the hands of a heartless robot is the least you can do

>>9503827
No, it's not normal. She was reaching 2k+ on it not too long ago. Both her and Elira clearly lost viewers to holocouncil. At least her sc numbers are still good though.

Kronii still is doing fine with superchat

>>9504276
She has an early-Mori style SC war going on in her chat right now. Great for money not so good for content.

>>9503976
This will never happen because picrelated is a literal who and Cover is a corporation.

>>9503976
>he says without a hint of irony the day after Iofi of all chuubas got her channel banned by the AI
That doesn’t refute anything I said. It’s a mistake by the shitty AI, rather than malicious intent.

>>9504276
In the end of September, we can compare how the 1st month for EN2's SC compare to the 1st month for EN1. Although EN1 only have 2 weeks left for their first month to gain SC.

>>9504341
Isn't Vshojo too small of a company to even get the time of day by Youtube?

>>9504448
Depends on how much money they make YouTube.

>>9502908
ironmouse tried spanish and karaoke streams on yt, and nyanners tried some karaokes as well. Both had less than 5k live iirc.

>>9504384
>It’s a mistake by the shitty AI, rather than malicious intent.
That reminds me of that story of the anon asking if he's liable if an intruder gets blown up in his garden shed by the claymore boobytrap he placed.
There is no practical difference between "malicious intent" and "a tool doing its job exactly as the owner set it up, with deleterious effect"

>>9504341
Yes but Cover is a very small fish next to other companies on YouTube like record labels

>>9495446
I was asleep, what threads were being spammed?

>>9501359
I don't think Sio is jealous of Roboco.

>>9504556
Intent matters. If YouTube got rid of them all intentionally, that is different from a mistake that is later corrected.

>>9504821
I miss her.

>>9504821
fuck that bitch

>>9504733
No, they easily got her channel back after a bot fuck up. They're big enough.

>>9505140
It took Kiara around 6 hours to get her account back. It took indies who lost their account at the same time weeks if I recall.

>>9505545
the nigger of korea

>>9505545
As someone else wrote in the thread, Mori 2.0.

>>9505545
Holy fuck

>>9505545
Why do holobronies simp for trannies?

>>9506001
Anon, don't let your jealousy cloud your judgement

>>9505545
EN Lauren!

>having a deep cool voice means your a man

>>9506313
When you use "they" pronoun and are uncomfortable about talking about your own gender it does, /co/ troon.

>>9506446

https://youtu.be/qNIhngowViI
song is still growing extremely fast. can it overtake reflect?

>>9506446
How come Kronii is bad but Ryushen is fine?

>>9506446
So do you think Kanata is too due to how her roommate used to be like?

>>9506148
if lauren is red kuzuha does that make kronii blue red kuzuha

>>9504821
POST HER ASS, YOU FAGGOT!

Wait, are you talking about that Sio?

ohright ollie is having a collab with mouse toay

>>9506622
Kanata is a tranny too? Makes sense considering her grip strength.

>>9506602
>can it overtake reflect?
I'd say it's inevitable given all the advantages covers have over originals for that purpose. No split views with other platforms or a topic channel, and the algorithm benefits covers more than originals too.

>>9506602
Jeeeeezuz it's almost at 5 mil and it hasn't been 2 weeks yet.
Gura, please, stop breaking the cover records too for Hololive!
>>9506907
Yea, it also helps that it has an MV, simple as it is, where Reflect does not, and also benefits from being a collab with Mori, which despite the bitchfit /here/ has about her, IS popular in terms of music.

Apparently ID has their own JP clippers

https://youtu.be/bLiz-dUQR-8

Didn't know about that until it was recommended

>>9507355
>Yea, it also helps that it has an MV, simple as it is, where Reflect does not
Just an anecdote, but YouTube refuses to recommend me the Reflect "video" and instead keeps sending me to the Topic version. So having moving pictures of any sort might be a real algorithm buff.

any one knows what is the emdian of Iron mouse?

>>9507928
Don't know about median but her average is the one in this pic

>>9507928
from a # thread few days ago, her last month was 8.0k (median of peaks)

>>9508099
>higher than Kiara, Ame and most of EN2
Vchads, I kneel

>>9507928
For future use, you can use Sullygnome for twitch stats.
This is Ironmouse over the past 30 days
https://sullygnome.com/channel/ironmouse/30/streams
Eyeballing it, median is mid to upper 7k, so pretty close to 8k as >>9508101 said.

>>9494943
>Roboco and Kenmochi shitting on everyone

>>9501597
>5k and 3k
and these are the people shitting on nijiEN, huh

>>9508099
Started inclining again after knowing with Connor 5 months ago

>>9508412
dont make me pull fina astral chain numbers

>>9508540
And then Finana gets 2k for genshin with zero gacha rolling and Elira and Pomu both streaming.

>>9508251
Roboco has to gather other people to beat Kenmochi who is doing nothing

>>9508565
you could just wacth the curretn number and see they are all sub 1.5k

>>9508671
Kemochi streming is itself an event
he is male ayame

Current Ironmouse x Ollie numbers: 10.9k viewers 30 minutes in.

>>9508565
I guess genshin is dogshit game after all can't beat 2nd playthrough of Bayonetta... Is it the game or the streamer i wonder?

>>9508674
nijiEN are arguably doing better in terms of subs to viewers, but we know most people have dead subs.

>>9508727
But he actually streams

>>9508821
streams little more than 1 time a week. Not much better than ayame.

>>9508251
based
>>9508671
>>9508821
shut up

>>9508775
>subs to viewers
Is this a new form of advanced coep? The only meaning I can ascribe to that is.
If it is considered an improvement for a low watched streamer to also have a lower subscribed base I don't know what to think anymore.

>>9509054
what good are pewdiepie's subs if only a tiny fraction watch?

>>9508179
The main takeaway is that she is inclining.

seems that kronies were more of a quickshot type

>>9509090
Go see how many VOD views he gets.

Today's superchats

>>9509090
By your logic, a 10 sub youtuber with 10 views is better than NijiEN since they have 100% viewers on.

>>9509090
That is a good comment but it doesn't address the point made, which is:
>would Pewdiepie "low viewership" problem be improved if he had fewer subs?

It is the dumbest cope to say
>well, their numbers are low but at least they have fewer subs
and that's exactly what "doing better in terms of subs to viewers" means
nijiEN are arguably

>>9509116
She doesn't seem to actually be inclining much, if at all. That picture is just some dumb graphic smoothing because the period is too long, since 2017.

>>9509296
Yeah, I can see what people mean when they say "ClockGirl is a new Calli"

>>9509090
VODs, algorithm push and bigger potential for large events.

>>9509307
>Would Pewd's "low viewership" be improved if he had less subs
Yes, it would. Pewd's subs are hyper inflated because of the memes, just like how Holos are. Holos tend to beg for subs, so the pledditors sub to them for "support" but never actually watch them. Compare them to the Nijichads who never beg for subs - they may have a lower subs overall but they have a more loyal fanbase.

>>9509296
Mori watch out...

>>9509180
Probably, but you do also have to consider that when Gen1 debuted is a much different time and situation than Gen2. There are already 5 existing EN chubbas, viewership + lockdowns, etc.
Its something to take note of moving forward though, if she maintains even 3-4k per stream that would be bloody amazing, since she doesn't look like she'll be doing hourslong SC readings barring special circumstances.

>>9509398

>>9509533
>arguing with a guy using memewords

>>9509596
now zoom into the recent months like I did, anonchama

Nijichad here: NijiEN are failures and their fans are/were a bunch of fickle holobronies. I'm rooting for the Vshojochads to destroy the evil holobrony EOP empire now. They're our only hope.

>>9509296
Kurea!

>>9509533
So, do Gura, Ame and Ina have sub count more true to their actual fanbase consider them never beg for subs?

>>9509533
WTF? This must be the dumbest thing I ever heart.
You are really saying that Pewds getting, let's say, 10k CCV in a video with 100M subs would be improved if he had got the same 10k CCV in the same video, but with 10M, 1M, 100k subs.

That's retarded beyond belief, and the reasoning provided, "a more loyal fanbase", is even dumber for the same reason, the implication that having (let's say) 6000 loyal fans out of 100M subs is somehow worse than having 6000 loyal fans out of 10M subs, 1M subs, 100k subs.

>>9509763
kek, reverse reverse falseflag, that's a new one

>>9509930
Not a falseflag. This is the numbers thread and we can objectively see that NijiEN has declined due to their fanbase being disloyal holoscum. I root for the Niji chads and Vshojo gals to destroy the holothots now.

>>9509930
Nijifags really do hate their EN branch though. If you thought hlg hates EN, wait til you try posting EN in the niji thread over at /jp/.

This actually makes me kinda hope they do take off soon and overshadow the main Niji branch, leading to more focus and support on them, just to see those fags blow a casket.

>>9509855
No they don't. Making an EN branch in the first place is akin to sub begging. Hence why Nijifans don't consider NijiEN numbers as accurate either

>>9510162
>wait til you try posting EN in the niji thread over at /jp/.
I do it sometimes and people who reply with fuck off kys (which is like 1 or 2 on a good day) sometimes get deleted by mods if they keep replying and causing an argument chain. Otherwise it's ignored.
It's funny hearing about people complain about the Niji general there when it's the same 10 people swapping between mobile and desktop inflating the IP count and half their image posters post here with the exact same filenames or whenever news happens, it's posted here first. And the anon who streams Niji events posts them here instead of /jp/
No one gives a shit about that place

HoloEN numbers (update)

>>9509894
10k CCV/100M subs = .001% interaction
10M = .01%
1M = 1%
I'd rather have the 1% interaction because at the very least the people that actually sub bother to watch and interact with your videos. What's the point of dead subs that don't watch your videos or give superchats?

>>9510448
>ratios
>because at the very least the people that actually sub bothe-
This is dumb beyond belief. Just to confirm how dumb you are, which one would you rather
>20kCCV/100M subs = 0.002% interaction
or
>10kCCV/10M subs = 0.1% interaction

>>9502075
>their viewers as a percentage of subscribers mog every holo into the dirt
LOOK AT THIS MAN
LOOK AT HIM AND LAUGH

>>9510448
Well, for one thing, it allows for stuff like her King cover blowing past EVERY other hololive Cover ever in terms of views.
Gura's subs consist of a LOT of 'low engagement' viewers instead of completely dead subs. Just look at Ai, THOSE are dead subs.
People who watch clips, people who perhaps only like certain content of hers, etc
I really, REALLY, REAAAALLLLLY want her to release some short vids, just to see what kind of numbers those would rack up on her channel.

>>9510448
>ratios
>because at the very least the people that actually sub bothe-
This is dumb beyond belief. Just to confirm how dumb you are, which one would you rather
>20kCCV/100M subs = 0.002% interaction
or
>10kCCV/10M subs = 0.01% interaction

NijiEN is as embarrassing as Holostars. Both companies should close these failed branches.

>>9510763
now leave holostars outta this

This won't stop appearing in my suggested even when I already watched it multiple times.
Ayame has a demonic hold on Youtube algorithm

>>9510805
Based Ojou, i love how this makes "hard work" fags seethe.

>>9510805
That thing's gonna hit 10 mil in a little over a week. Sheeeeesh.

>>9504739
Alot of just inane stuff, stuff that would have otherwise been a single post in global or one of the other generals

Here is the real reason for the #1 today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LE9yqbv46k

Roboco is a great host, picked a very funny game (DEVOUR) and very entertaining guests. Botan and Pekora are the best guests for any game, bar none

>>9510689
Engagement > Deadsubs
Hell, Matthew Santoro had to beg viewers to unsub to him because he was no longer being picked up by the algorithm due to his inflated subcount but meager viewer engagement.

>>9505337
It took about a day or so, that's usually how long it takes for cover to get their channels back.

>>9509296
craziest is Finana 2.5k from a normal genshin stream, and basically only from akasupas, dont know if I have seen higher average supa value than that on a normal stream

>>9511264
You didn't answer the question
>20kCCV/100M subs = 0.002% interaction
or
>10kCCV/10M subs = 0.01% interaction

which one would you prefer

>>9508775
>in terms of subs to viewers
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>9511312
If you actually read my post, it's obvious I'd choose 10k CCV because again, more viewer engagement. Engagement is king in Youtube.

>>9510448
nijiniggers always peddle this cope while always ignoring their VOD views and non stream uploads like songs which is in line with their subs, while their failed chuubas can't even get 50k VOD views on top of embarrasing CCV.
Mafumafu and giga can't even save their failed branch while gura is getting monstrous views with an indog composer kek

>>9510441
The clock going the korone route instead of retro games she doing indies.

>>9511423
Engagement is king if you're running a normal YT channel. The thing is, there's a big difference between normal video channels and the streaming channels of Hololive, since they've basically got Algo HAX turned on thanks to clipper channels acting as 'engagement metrics on steroids'.

>>9511473
>monstrous views
>can't even beat Kuzuha's KING cover
rumao

>>9511423
So your saying the king of youtube are streamers who have 1 or even no subs at all that manage to get at least 1 viewer right?

>>9509296
based Joe

>>9508775
>doing better in terms of subs to viewers
Fucking hypocrite
>they say numbers don't matter, but they continue to use them when it suits narratives

Here is a bloke that figured out something this thread is talking for a while
>Youtube is boosting short videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTl2VUuIQ60jHUdHCHz7ZDA/videos

He doesn't even clickbait the title or the thumb, it is pretty much Ayame's face and whatever noise she made
>AND IT'S FUCKING ADDICTIVE

In this print screen alone you see 4M views out of the 13M he has since March this year which, incidentally, is more than Iofi has in her channel (for instance)

>>9510162
That's not true, in fact Selen got invited by Emperor Hal to play in a custom next week. JOPs are about to discover the EN Apex goddess.

>>9511423
>t's obvious I'd choose 10k CCV
OK, it's confirmed, you're as dumb as I thought

>>9511613
>tfw some of these have more views than my oshi's covers

>>9511532
You do understand that the clipper channels tend to leech viewers away from the streamers, right? Clippers don't actually improve any of the streamer's numbers, in fact they make their numbers worse because people would rather watch a 5 minute clip rather than sit down and watch a 4 hour VOD.

>>9511570
Let's not even get into kpop tier gachispamming, anon. Fujos and Yumes raised on that shit have retarded levels of dedication.

>>9511423
Absolutely retarded take, holy shit

>>9511423
The absolute state of nijiniggers

>>9511570
Women are bigger numberfags than this board, they have algorithms just to ensure their loops count as more plays

>>9511652
leave poor moron alone, he embarrassed himself enough

>>9511570
i know you're shitposting but it's just like classic nijinigger resorting to kuzuha whose popularity is because of crazy japanese women and not your EOP ass, he doesn't even care about you.

>>9511676
Bullshit. I’ve seen so many people in the chats say “Yeah I came here after seeing (chuuba)’s clips.” People who won’t watch the 4 hour VOD weren’t going to anyways.

>>9511676
>Clippers don't actually improve any of the streamer's numbers
Most retarded take i've ever seen in these threads.

>>9511652
>>9511722
>Stay 20k for years to come
or
>potential to be picked up by the algo and grow even bigger
And I'm the retard? lmao, some number faggots you are, you are too focused on the now, instead of the potential growth.
That's why Holo is going to crash and burn in a year or 2 while Niji is just slowly but surely continuing to incline.

>>9511878
>That's why Holo is going to crash and burn in a year or 2 while Niji is just slowly but surely continuing to incline.
Oh, it's (you), the "slow and steady" anon. Sorry for picking on you, you're legit retarded (and not just on the internet) and likely mentally ill.

Carry on with your delusions and if you feel like it, take your meds

>>9511613
Maybe YouTube is trying to compete with tik tok by having short videos. On phones, there is a “shorts” button.

>>9511423
This is some advanced coping.
I don't think you understand what YouTubers mean when they talk about engagement.
Also your own logic goes against the Nijis too. They're steadily gaining subs while losing/stagnating CCV.

>>9511878
Are you that that doomposter that came every other thread a while ago to claim how Riku is a genius for slowly converting potential audience into Nijifans and that Niji doesn't rely on on massive growth because it will make them crash and burn like Hololive was supposed to over the summer?

>>9511698
>>9511798
he also posted it at a time where the song was still at its peak in terms of meme relevance. plus it quickly became his 'flagship' cover so to speak, and there are people who will probably never click a kuzuha stream let alone sub to him but who have heard his cover in passing (not really a good thing because afaik he's not trying to brand himself as a singer/utaite).
mori and gura's cover still (sort of) benefits from KING being a popular song but not so much from the meme considering how late it dropped. people are clicking it because it's mori/gura. impressive if you consider that.

>>9511878
I've seen this same take for 6 months and it just gets dumber with each passing week, as the holowhores extend their lead. Just stop, you're making a fool of yourself anon, clippers as a publicity machine are basically unbeatable.

>>9512079
Not me, but it's nice to see that there are other people here that see that Holo is on it's last since Coco's graduation, while Niji has been building a very strong foundation of a fanbase.

Man these are some sad numbers. No one crack 30k yesterday?

>>9511970
>>9512079
>>9512150
He's not that wrong, but it doesn't quite apply to NijiEN, but to Vshojo instead. Hololive IS already crashing and burning in terms of viewers while Vshojo is inclining.

>>9511878
I dunno if you realized this anon, but Hololive used to be smaller than Nijisanji in the past you know...

>>9512265
School reopened

>>9512271
They are, but they got picked up by meme subs, while Nijis are actual fans. People will get bored of Holos when there are no more memes while people will still be watching Nijis because they are actually talented

>>9512088
Kind of hard not to considering his fujo channel has a bunch of covers, no? All it is, is music and the occasional stream

>>9512179
>building a very strong foundation of a fanbase
Holo council debuted and nijiEN losing views.. what foundation are we talking about here?

>>9512269
>Hololive IS already crashing and burning in terms of viewers while Vshojo is inclining.
Hololive isn’t crashing at all, but rather it’s just not growing as much lately. Whereas VShojo can more comfortably push the envelope on Twitch. They are also recruiting. It might be why Cover was lessening restrictions a bit, to avoid becoming stale.

I don't think anyone is crashing what you're seeing is a return to norm after summer buff/debut buff. Crashing would be dipping below Spring numbers, the month in which everyone flops

>>9512377
You've been saying this for the past year, there's a certain point at which it becomes just cope and that is it.

Is it really this easy to bait holofags in these threads?

Sometimes the nijicope is so retarded i wonder if they're actually holofags flaseflagging.

>>9512419
>Council went from 40k viewers to 5k viewers in a week
>NijiEN went from 3k to 2.5k
I don't see an issue for NijiEN here. Most likely just fans being annoyed by them continuing to overlap with each other.
Council on the other hand, yikes. How do you explain an 88% drop in CCV other than crashing and burning?

In these 9 complete days September 16 of the Holo streamers had at least one stream above 20k. Here they are

>7 streams: pekora
>5 streams: miko
>5 streams: marine
>3 streams: subaru
>3 streams: botan
>2 streams: gura
>2 streams: lamy
>2 streams: korone
>1 streams: sora
>1 streams: choco
>1 streams: aqua
>1 streams: ayame
>1 streams: kanata
>1 streams: fubuki
>1 streams: rushia
>1 streams: ceres

>>9512590
Debut
Buff

Ah yes I see its nijicope hours. Try not to overdose on copium there

>>9512590
Pomu got 2k for a guerilla stream earlier today, there is a lot of loyal fans who like Pomu.

>>9512590
Casually ignoring Kronii 14k playing some dumb game and Mumei 19k while overlap with Gura while avoiding petra and rosemi indie numbers.. nijinigs really

>>9512377
>while Nijis are actual fans
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're falseflagging now. NijiEN fans are holobrony tourists. The branch is a faliure and is declining because it's just discount hololive. It has no identity. Vchads are inclining in comparison because they managed to build a strong audience on twitch completely independent of the hololive audience.

t. Nijichad

>>9512409
because that's what the chronoir unit channel was made for: pretty much just songs and fanservice. they collab all the time outside of that channel, streaming their own pov on their respective channels. he and kanae both outsub that channel anyway and collabs done on there don't really increase the views significantly or anything, so i don't think that's relevant.
to come back to KING's views: i highly doubt even kuzuha will post something that will do as well as that cover did. it's a nice cover with a cool drawing that fits his voice and character (mixing was done competently too), but he was also lucky to cover a viral song and be blessed by the algorithm somehow.

>>9512590
Is it really that hard to understand that Holo brand debut buff is far more powerful than Niji debut buff?

>>9512613
>3.35 mil subs
>only 2 streams with 20k+ viewers
Gooruh....

>>9512613
3 for gura actually if you count the unarchived karaoke

>>9512590
>from 3k to 2.5k
KEK, in their most glorious dreams, apart from Selen which is really a hard carry of that whole branch

>>9512614
Are you stupid?
hololive's debut buff last for 3 months.

>>9512783
Says who?

>>9512590
EN2 didn’t grow Hololive much, so the viewers are likely being divided. For the Western market. I think VShojo may continue to grow at the cost of both Holo and Niji. But who knows. I don’t see NijiEN grabbing it, and I don’t know about HoloEN gaining much ground.

>>9512709
>NijiEN are holobrony tourists
You mean Holobronies are tourists. We do agree that most NijiEN fans are former Holofans that saw that Holo is slowly crumbling and getting worse after their time in the spotlight.

>>9512766
gura killer...

>>9512783
3 months? What do you mean the debut buff lasts 6 months? Well, if they're not buffed for those 9 months something must be wrong after all, with the 12 months debut buff they should last a lot longer

>>9512783
There is no set time. It’s whenever hype dies down. That’s all it is. Hype is gone now.

>>9512766
Holy shit, the other anon is saying that this here will dethrone Hololive?

Here's some numbers.
Watame said she was signing around 100 postcards a day for her 10k yen (~$91) anniversary set and one Watamate estimated around 8k signed postcards. These signed postcards are only available if you buy the full 10k yen set.
If true, Watame made around $728k from her merch run before cuts.

Debut buff = hype. When hype is gone, debut buff is gone. Hololive creates lots of excitement that dies down. IRyS is not on a debut buff still since her hype is gone.

reminder that hololive will stay on top, holoEN2 is nowhere near a flop, and that selen will never be the EN kuzuha you wish she was

>>9512927
explains Where she got money for her OG songs

>>9511297
I feel like gacha streams don't really count if they are using the money on the game.

>>9512927
Yeah if this number is anywhere near true it makes things like CCV comparison rather pointless, I mean it still serve its value but this seem to be the real moneymaker especially with lower cuts than SC, and might be a better standard for success that vtubers aim for.

>>9513050
Matsuri gets around $30-50k in SC for fucking Apex gacha of all things.

>>9512675
Yeah and bae got 5k for an unscheduled bayo stream, what's your point?

>>9512965
>Debut buff = hype. When hype is gone, debut buff is gone.
mb you are right,
BUT after that there is HoneMoon period wich lasts for 3 months

>>9512783
>3 months
Is this number based on that time when everyone, including the JPs mind you, had their viewers nerfed due to youtube changing stuff?

>>9512927
>almost all of these money was spent on her originals according to her
JESAS, but she is still good so good for the sheep

where can I see Niji stream peaks? Kinda like holopoi but for niji

>>9512905
They won't, but Vshojo will. Tick tock holobronies.

>>9512860
At this point calling someone a Gura killer is more of a curse than anything else

>>9509296
>Hima coming back from literally almost dying got less SC than other nijis
Wtf. If she were male would she have broken records?

>>9513235
Gura is the Gura killer
COME ON CURSE, DO YOUR THING

>>9513251
depends which male. kanae getting hospitalized would literally print money. someone like naruse or shibuya hajime, not so much.

>>9513133
I understand what you’re saying however, whether or not someone becomes bored of a Holo isn’t guaranteed. The only thing that is real is the hype that Hololive provides (the debut buff), then it’s up to the streamers to prevent becoming stale later on. NijiEN and VShojo don’t have the same level of hype, but their honeymoon phase being over doesn’t guarantee decline. Just an explanation.

We should all acknowledge that HoloEN Gen2 lost its hype, hence lost its debut buff.

>>9513138
this number based on shizo nijifag's narrative that Niji gens got only 2 weeks debu buff, when Hololive's debut buff lasts for 1+ month

this anon knows it>>9512863

shit boil out to this>>9511601

>>9513280
The curse does not work on the original

>>9511570
>Kuzuha KING Cover
Tick Tock Motherfucker Tick Tock

>>9513158
Makes sense, she's cranking out originals leading up to her concert. I think she will be at around 12 total by then?
She's invested a lot of her money into her music career which is nice to see.
I can imagine she'll make back a good portion of the money from her solo live concert.

>>9513524
concert will be 10 songs, i also expect 90% attendace and a little extra on spawn.

>>9513509
>20 mil vs 4 mil
Am I supposed to be scared or something?

>>9513509
holobro, it is ok to be cocky, but this isnt it

>>9513509
If this was on Calli's channel this post would make more sense

is there any OG song/Cover wich can compet wih King's King cover?

>>9512518
Anon's just bored since piyo died and killing time by laughing at blatant shitposters while numbers are gathered is entertaining.

>>9513524
https://youtu.be/yHHcSVsmai8
She really is investing a lot in it.

>>9513592
90% of what? Members?
Watame having one of the highest green chats that would be a ton of people.

>>9513509
>>9513603
>Getting the full support of Youtube's Algorithm
>Can only get 4 million views
That's pretty sad.

>>9513603
>>9513611
>>9513677
Note down all these posts I wanna laugh at them in a couple months

>>9513686
hololive fukkireta
mori R.I.P

>>9513592
Here’s her vod views for members only.

>>9513524
>>9513743

>>9513782
>mori R.I.P
>24.4mil
oh shit this one is close to Kuzuha

>>9509180
>>9509588
How quickly did Mori wrangle Superchats though?

>>9513878
yep, they're super close and keep passing each other by a little back and forth
noticed because i use youtube to listen to both

>>9513833
she aint wrong, unless you have something extremely catchy or a collab song.
BUT i know she doesnt care that much after her talk with coco.

>>9513833
I wonder what is considered good for them, especially in terms of making enough to cover the costs. At least 1M in a month maybe?

>>9513743
>>9513833
anon, this one is painfull. and i dont even like her music
Kiara should shut the fuck up about her songs for a min

>>9513930
i bet RIP will get momentum because of 1 year anniversary

>>9509180
>he forgot about "Canada vs US"

>>9513194
>where can I see Niji stream peaks? Kinda like holopoi but for niji
You can't but there is niji-mado
https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly

You can see the peaks per hour and filter the higher peak in your mind

>>9513993
i say reaching 500k would be the goal in less than ayear.

>>9514065
i don't doubt it, and i don't want to speak too soon either but it might widen the gap in calli's favor for good too.
well it's not like kuzuha or calliope is losing sleep over shit like this anyway so it doesn't matter much, it's just interesting to keep track of.

>>9513993
I think even in standard music making, it's always extremely costly to make your own music - the bands/singer always have their money back either through concerts, merch sales, and especially license fee if it's get used on movies or ads or shit.

Do we know how much of her own money Watame is fronting on her personal solo concert? I know it's gonna be less than Hololive original concert like Bloom, but I hope it'll be successful Sheep can get a lot of her moeny back without much cuts from this.

>>9513941
+this is bad idea to throw too many OG songs

>>9514185
is for the concert so it is inevitable.
Watame ONLY has 9 songs with this new one.
Doing a concert with covers is bad financially since you probably need to pay roysalties for public perfromance .

Covers will always do better than originals because everyone wants to hear their oshi sing the funny popular meme songs. Unless you already market yourself as an original song maker.

>>9514264
>watame only had 2 originals last year
mmm could have sworn it was more but yeah amai is her first original at least on her play list of originals.

>>9514283
Yeah, originals are only good if you can license it somehow, make others pay royalty for covering your song otherwise covers will garner greater views almost always

>>9514176
If it's anything like the rest, she's probably fronting the most but that means she will also get most of the money back after bushiroad and spwn get their cut.
Having almost everything be work related expenses is gonna save her ass when tax season comes around.
If the translation was right, all the money used was from her 1st anni merch, this doesn't include her SC and song sales funds.
>>9514176
Watame being a solo artist who commissions everything means she doesn't have to have that much of a split compared to a band which consists of many people.

>>9514283
You also have to go to youtube to watch Covers while with Originals you can usually listen to a higher quality version of the song on Spotify or whatever.

>>9514264
yeah i understand, Sui did same shit for her future live

The MVs with actual production value behind them do pretty bad both on the holo and niji side. All that money wasted for nothing.

>>9514380
I forgot to mention that her concert merch all sold out so there's that too.

>>9514485
yeah Pekora's song has only 2mil

Why is everyone sudden hoping Hololive to crash and burn while wanting Vshojo to take the top? I guess Vshojo now has a lot of fans than I tjought.

>>9514623
I know your first few days on 4chan might be scary but don't fret, it's a regular occurrence called "shitposting"

>>9514623
nah, is a holoanti schizo that falseflag any side

>>9514485
If you're in the JP branch and you're not Suisei or Marine, it's an uphill battle.
Suisei, Watame and Mori are doing a ton to increase the amount and genres of songs that Cover owns.

>>9514623
>Why is everyone sudden hoping Hololive to crash and burn while wanting Vshojo to take the top
New Shitter's gimmick wich they started to use after Piyo added Vshojo for 2 day (befor RIP).
1-2 lazy ppl use it, just ignor them

>>9514623
Because hololive and holobronies are a cancer on industry. Anything is better than them.

>>9514818
Mori's songs are very hard to sing though.

>>9514623
Coping Nijiniggers. They are going hard today for some reason.

You think Cover will give Suisei and Watame a new outfit based on their concert art?
I recall they gave Aqua a new 3D (princess outfit) for her first solo concert.
It'd be a great way to boost sales I would think.

>>9514623
>everyone
anon just because you switched to your tablet and 2 phones to make those vshojo shitposts doesn't mean it counts as different people

>>9514623
4chan is anti-mainstream and likes underdog. I bet the same will happen with Vshojo if they are at the top

>>9514703
>anti
why do people here use this word for no reason?
this is not personal attack at you, anon, But it seems like ppl dont know the meaning of it.

>Sshiter can be Anti, BUT not every Shitter is an Anti

>>9514996
aqua one was for a padi event for chinks.

>>9514485
They are both doing their own live paid concerts. Those are paying for those MVs. What is interesting is that Watame said she only used her Anniversary merch to fund this concert. She must have made bank to only use her merch money to fund this concert considering she gets so many SCs

>>9514996
Suisei's artist started to follow her again some time ago, maybe something's cooking but it's pure speculation from my part.

>>9515142
she isnt funding the concert but the aongs for the concert. Bushiroad is sponsoring the concert.

>>9515142
>>9512927
Better to use that money on making songs (business expenses) than getting raped by Japanese taxes.

>>9514623
>wanting Vshojo to take the top?
Wanting or predicting? Not necessarily the same.

>>9514939
>Mori's songs are very hard to sing though.
huh?
https://youtu.be/W5hhxxfgZyk?t=7276

>>9515214
>Bushiroad
Somehow they are close to Hololive. Do they want to buy Cover or at least invest?

>>9515280
It certainly seems that way, though despite thier closeness they've yet to have any hololive collabs with their properties

>>9515280
im surprised they havent already

>>9515331
They've had Holos in their card game for years. They're adding another set next year I think.

Here is an interesting chart to illustrate where Hololive is with regards to viewership. This chart has the median of the three branches, ID, EN and JP

The interesting point is that:
>from June 1st to August 17th Hololive didn't have a single day with a median below 5k

Those 4 points sticking out after August 17? They were a result of the confluence of two things
1) That dreaded APEX champtionship that tanked the numbers for 4 of the JP girls (Choco, Matsuri, Roboco and Towa)
plus
2) A series of ID collabs that either joined all 6 or 3 of them streaming in the same day
Sep 9 was also a particularly weak day (that that final point below) mostly because 3 of the "moneymakers" were on Roboco channel and didn't stream.

These were the 5 days when Hololive had a median of avg ccv below 5k., as opposed to the over 30 times they had before June 1st.
That shows they significantly raised the floor and that's quite a feat considering this calculation includes HoloID as well.

Second thing: Coco graduation buff clearly wore off. The 14 days average, which used to bounce between 5k and 6.5k for most of the year jumped above that line on the day of her graduation announcement and stayed above it until mid August.
Now it is returning to the mean and it is expected to go back to the initial range.

>>9515280
>>9515340
>Do they want to buy Cover or at least invest?
>im surprised they havent already
do they even can right now?

>>9515255
If anything that proves his statement. That isn't very good at all. I'm not trashing Nene by the way its just that Rap isn't just something you can do unless you are used to it.

>>9510805
Both reflect and this cover is at 9.6M. wonder who can reach 10M the fastest.

>>9515170
what's that guy problem anyway? closet nijinigger or what?

>>9515516
Ayame's cover will probably hit 10m sooner, mostly because Reflect's views are going to get split across multiple points (Spotify, etc + Topic channel).

>>9515548
Bad relationships with Cover and being a petty bitch.

>>9515406
Here is the same chart, for JP only. Look how Coco graduation ajnouncement and send off was a neutron star pulling everything up

>>9515575
what happened?

>>9515488
>Rap isn't just something you can do unless you are used to it
agree
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AneLnH5-GBg

>>9515602
Holo-caust planted doubts on him, Taiwan probably didn't help either and the mangaka incident was the last straw or something like that.

I find it weird how people just want some companies to fall and hope for other companies to rise, and then want them to fall also. Isn't that a bit...redundant?

>>9515712
Meanwhile big name artists are starting to work with Cover now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSJBjYM9Gsg
Hikakin 10mln

>>9515406
>>9515584
And here is the same, for Holo EN. Two huge special event buffs, then the debut buff for EN2 which is more than clear in this chart (both the start and the return to the mean)

VOMS debut tomorrow. Any predictions?

>>9516193
MAGNET REDEBUT

>>9516193
under 10k+(under 20k)

>>9514623
im just here enjoying Pomu, idk

>>9516372
Stop midget posting in the numbers thread.

>>9511519
Her tastes and games she wants to do are all over the place.

>>9516193
Oh shit I almost forgot about them

>>9516193
>Pikamee reverted tp her original model
It's going to be a huge success

>>9517246
I don't mind her new model but it should be used sparingly and her original should be the standard. Sort of like how HoloEN uses the Walfie models.

IRyS' 12 minutes stream underperformed in a loaded time slot which was a shame since that stream was fucking hilarious, IRyS is fantastic. However, now that she has her usual timeslot all to herself again she is right back to her usual 6-7k. Good performance from her. Consistent as usual.

>>9517812
More proof that EN2 didn't bring in new viewers. There were what, 5 streams in a 4 hour span and all their numbers were pretty bad for the most part.

>>9512613
>3 million subscribers
>Only 2 streams above 20k.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>9517856
Earlier today they had nearly 30k people spread between Ina, Fauna, and Kronii whereas before it would just be about 10k with just Ina. Sounds like growth to me.

>>9517856
It does seem that the vtubing audience, in the west at least, doesn't add a lot of new audience after the inital boom this time last year. Lockdown being lifted and people going back to class/work doesn't help either, especially with new youtube algo for views.

Maybe this number is good enough for a big company like Cover, but do you think they need to do new things to get new blood? Where do you think the new market will be in high numbers?

>>9517812
>iRys
>Good performance from her. Consistent as usual.
NTA
>60 min in
>5,366 / 6,898

kuzuha's brother hit 10million subs

>>9515929
Well it's up to that guy's choice, some people are very cautious on what they associate with, perhaps Cover doesn't have any malicious intentions but they could still have incompetence that could damage your reputation by associating with them. Guy is still being an idiot since I doubt there's gonna be any flak that will go his way as long as he just sticks to designing stuff for Suisei if he doesn't want to risk being their manga artist.

Do some anons actually believe the EN audience is just one monolith that all tune into whatever en chuuba is live so since the maximum numbers aren't continually going up that council failed or aren't adding in more viewers? Because that's the stupidest thing I've heard in a while.

>>9518090
I think it is safe to have a EN3 for the next 1 or 2 years. For now, while the old members maintain there core fanbases CCV, while the new members are aim for new paypigs for SCs, just like how Sana to Australians and Kronii for Koreans.

The most popular vtuber just hit 10 mil.

If you think really hard, Cover's business sense is sort of stupid. I mean, when you go all in the Western market like that thinking you are still at the top, then suddenly a bigger startup like Vshojo surpasses you. At the same time, you put less care in your home market because a bigger competitor is there so you don't even want to try to rise up. You eventually lose both markets at the same time, with the only places possible for you are China and some backwater SEA countries. But going back to China will strip you of any goodwill your "fans" have left, thus bringing you nearer to total bankrupcy.
Truly, without a master in busoness, I can even notice how bad Cover's strategy is.

>>9518234
It's the same retard pushing the "natural growth" and "sub to view ratio(lol)" bullshit, just ignore him

>>9518234
Unironically yes.
No nuance or understanding of contexts at all.
Of course, some are the usual shitposters and dramaniggers.

>>9518262
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. Congrats anon.

>>9518218
>>9515929
>big name artists are starting to work with Cover
who?

>>9518252
I kneel