/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>9726054
Salty you're a 2view? The truth is no one HAS to watch anyone
Even if you get a shoutout or noticed or whatever if your content isn't good people will just leave
If people are staying it's because you've put the hard work into your content and given them a reason to

work harder, nigger
then i will watch you

It’s never just hard work. But luck is hard work meeting opportunity. It’s not like a coin is flipped once. More like a loaded die rolled multiple times a day. Once n>1000 trends bear out even if outliers exist. This is true of almost everything not just vtubing.

just realized that life isn't fair anon? welcome to the real world kid

>>9726111
>>9726114
>>9726179
Not a streamer/Vtuber. As I said, luck plays an important part in everything, hell I even got my first high payed job because of pure luck, now how I maintained it and climbed up is on me, but I'll never forget that I got lucky that day.

>>9726285
no shit, do you think you made some massive discovery with this post?

>>9726285
anon, most people here are literal children or neet
try to relate to them with something other than jobs

>>9726054
There's nothing worse than working hard for the wrong things

Wait until this guy realizes that being born as intelligent, and having talents, is also about luck.
All success is luck based, people just say that they worked harder than everyone else to justify their place and giving more/being nicer to those who are less fortunate

Wait until this guy realizes that being born as intelligent, and having talents, is also about luck.
All success is luck based, people just say that they worked harder than everyone else to justify their place and not giving more/being nicer to those who are less fortunate

>>9726054
Silly anon, indietubers exist for the RRAT since unlike real chuubas they'll cower in fear if the right things goes public.

>>9726428
I do understand that anon, but just like pic above, there are thousands who don't, and that's not counting Youtubers and even Onlyfan whores.

Since people like to come here they better see this shit instead of deluding themselves they will make it big, shill their mansions and thousands of dollars in a few months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCsPz0GYGJM

>>9726054
The list of 2views gets cut down significantly if you filter all the men and non-English speakers from it. Most of the rest have hideous models or are streaming with other people, often men, instead of engaging with chat. If you are a girl, sound cute, and have a cute live2d then you can get guys to give you money while playing vidya. Just don't talk to guys and be cute to chat. It's that easy.

>>9726054
>twitch
eww get the fuck out, pleb

>>9726990
I've seen plenty of cute vtubers who are still 2views because they're boring

>>9726054
Yes. Like anything else to do with arts, there's a degree of luck involved. Everyone knows this knowing roommates.
If you want a guaranteed paycheck, get a job.

>>9726054
Is survivorship bias a completely new idea to you or why did you make this thread?
Yes, we know there's a shit ton of luck involved and yes we know successsful people don't believe in luck.
Luck is still preperation meeting opportunity, though so you can't just have success out of literally nowhere.

>>9726054
Yeah, no shit. You can find plenty of indies doing exactly what hololive does with a couple thousand less viewers. It's all about luck.

>>9727079
You have to be really fucking boring to debuff being a cute girl. If you are a cute girl and interact with chat, you will get goslings that give you money eventually. You literally only need to know how to be cute.

>>9726570
>Black
>Male
>Face tattoo
No fucking shit he didn't make it.

>>9726054
why are women always this jealous

>>9727307
I highly doubt OP is a woman. If they are, they either act or sound like a man, and if they don't they didn't take vtubing seriously enough to commission a good model.

>(You) were lucky to get noticed
Could have just left it at that.

The entire entertainment industry works like this. Screenwriters, indie directors who run their film at midnight at film festivals to an audience of three tired people, western comic artists, graphic designers, actors,Musicians.

2cellos we're street buskers playing for pocket money until people like Elton John saw them and called the right people.

A friend of mine was an art school graduate who gave up and became a painter (houses) to make a living, and got his big break when someone called him up and said "I saw your truck, who designed your logo"? And his career as a graphic designer took off because he happened to be parked In the right neighborhood that day and got noticed.

>>9727588
yep men seem to complain the most about not making it bc they never realize how autistic and bad at socializing they are

>>9727889
It has nothing to do with that. It's because the money in being a vtuber comes from men. Except for a very few instances, men don't give money to male vtubers. It's similar to camwhoring. Male camwhores don't make it either. Gay men don't need to give other men money to men for attention. If you're gay you just go on grindr and get your asshole blown open. It's absurdly easy to get laid as a gay man. If you are a guy the chances of making it as a vtuber are fucking minuscule. That's just reality.

>>9726990
>Just don't talk to guys and be cute to chat. It's that easy.
Why do you treat everyone as if they were in Hololive?

>>9728114
You don't need to be in Hololive to make that work. Here's a game. Go to Twitch, filter for the vtuber and English tags, then sort by views from low to high. Now try to find a 2view that doesn't have a male voice on stream or either no model or a hideous model. Good luck.

Take out shitters that literally cannot make it (there is no market left for some bland person playing apex at non-god level) and you've eliminated at least 90% of 2views. Most nobodies will not retain an audience if you literally drop it in their lap because there's nothing there to bring people back. You can't luckshit your way into viewer retention.

>>9726054
Of course there's luck involved. Nobody denies that.
You can be a great vtuber, but if you're in the ocean of 0 viewer streamers and don't get a shoutout or raid from someone bigger then nobody will ever know. You need some degree of luck to get an initial amount of viewers, from that point on you need actual talent and work to keep your viewers and grow your audience.

>>9726054
There is one chuuba with decent following /here/ that started by just tweeting a go-live announcement and just continued to grind every day. Now she is at 250+ since November 2020. Picked up drawing. Singing. Got better and better and streaming. Invested into herself and channel while doing her 9-5. Until recently pretty much zero networking. Just streaming.Can be done. You just need to put your back into it.

>>9728032
meanwhile the two biggest Nijis ranked by superchats are both dudes.

>>9735618
Yes, they cover the "except for a very few instances" part I was talking about. There are also some general male streamers that made it work too. It's incredibly uncommon. There are so many more female vtubers that will make it for every male one that does.

>>9728474
I'll use Ironmouse as an example. She had climbed from 0 to 50 views over two years on Twitch. In late January Melody sent a "raid" over from CB because she had seen Mouse's stream. Mouse retained most of those who went and has inclined ever since.

Compare that to when Mouse does her deep-dive streams and send hundreds/thousands of viewers over to various 2views. Most of them are still 2views today. You have to have something that catches people's interest and makes them want to come back.

>>9736410
Forgot the image because I'm a tard.

How many chuubas you guys regurarly watch at any given time? Also at what point do you think they have enough subs and don't need saviorfags anymore?

>>9736410
Exactly. If it's all a lottery, luck determines when you win. Hard work determines how many tickets you get. Skill determines the prize.

Don't get discouraged on the dry streaks, but don't waste your time when all you can win is $10 each time (because the audience isn't sticking around). Or play the game differently, at least.

Golden rule of everything - the universe doesn't owe you shit. Stay humble.

>>9726054
Yes, success is all about luck and network. Talent can "help" but honestly it doesn't matter that much.

>>9735296
Would be under 20 viewers if male desu but she does have a nice story

You can pay for fake clout to boost you for the first time .
There are shitton of firms that do this.

>>9726054
fuck you bitch, work hard
lazy bitch
and you wonder why no one watches you
luck aint shit without trying
dumb bitch
lazy slut

>>9753674
look at mori being afraid to say nigga now that she's under contract

You can either be Ironmouse or Zentreya and be at the game for years, slowly gaining an audience.
Or you can be Melody and get your foot in the door by spreading your 3d virtual pussy.

While I do agree that you need some degree of luck (and connections) to make it into any business, the issue with most of these 2views is that they don't know how to market themselves, and that all they need to do is wait for someone else to do the clipping, marketing and shilling for them - it worked for Holo, so it should work for them, right?

That's why despite all the vitriol she (or her group) gets in this Mongolian basket weaving forum, I will always have respect for Melody. She saw no one else was using Vtubing for sex work, and took her chance. And then when everyone and their mother was freaking out about it, media articles immediately put her name into the public consciousness. Melody is proof that sometimes you just need to have that 1 gimmick and that you can make your own luck

Nah, if they were funny they would get clipped and that would bring more views and all that jazz. Current popular vtubers just had it easier, becaue they had less competition, so they didn't have to work as hard to get noticed

>>9726054
Everything is luck. This is why we need to tax the rich

>>9736410
I assumed they stuck around for Ironmouse because of her personality?? Or was it because of her sick situation?

>>9735296
What's her channel? I wanna check her out

>>9760750
Loved your dress today AOC

>>9726054

>>9726054
>twitch
>every single one is a shitty vroid
>half of them play a chinese game

>>9761504
for vods:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZYetJ72XDX0sn5GQLx-rBA

>>9726054
Streaming without a fanbase in Twitch that is well known about their bad discoverability is just like streaming over the wall.
Honestly, this topic reminds me of this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-u_gba7LuI

>>9726054
Join hololive

Hard work for this is essentially consistency so you're put out there more often. If you don't put yourself out there then you have less probability to be noticed. Sure you can do this for a year streaming for an hour or more four or more times a week and still not break double digits. Luck is always a big factor, but if you don't work hard the chances will be even less.

Maybe one day you were playing that one game, on the right day, during the right hour, and you begin collecting and retaining more people. Probably why so many would be willing to go to corpos because it can catapult you to at least triple and quad digit views with certain ones and double digit with smaller ones hopefully bypassing the 2views.

What’s with shitty indie vtubers getting so fucking mad? Stop caring about numbers and monetary gain and all your complaints are fixed.

By the way, I don’t care if you get a shoutout from Bezos, if you aren’t cute and entertaining you suck and won’t get clicks. Simple. Also stop being a man.

>>9726054
Or you can scam your way up like Uto by using Hololive tags

>>9726054
whats this amerimutt autism? you just fucking suck at organising a scene. its super natural that literal nobodies cant get any views. in the first place, can you watch all of those literal nobodies? if you want to get attention just make a group or "an underground/indie scene", run a small company and do something special. this is how underground musicians in the west used to run their own underground scenes. you zoomer lazy fucktards dont even do anything like that, and just only whine on twatter

also mutts have zero skills of voice acting. to be a vtuber you actually need a talent in good voice acting
singing and talking. you arent mentioning it in the slightest. put it another way, everyone cant be a vtuber. if you have shit voice and cant improve it, you should give up on it. you have zero talent of it.

Imagine being this jealous and salty.
Lucky? Clippers choosing for instance Rushia, over someone else because Rushia was more entertaining than all the other vtubers is lucky? Ok then every successful person in life is to be considered lucky and the word 'lucky' looses its meaning. But keep ur illusion up. Whatever makes u sleep better at night.

>>9728114
he is not wrong though, nothing filters me as fast as VC with a male (with a nerd sounding voice to make it worse)

>>9726054
>Admit it, is not ''just hardwork''
no1 ever said it. your can Not affect luck factor and there is No point to include factors you can Not control into discussion and your decision making. the Only thing you can actually do is
>just hardwork'
>clout chase, wich is part of hard work
cope.

>>9726054
The fact that holoEN has such a big market share over others should tell you that vtubers are a niche fad in the west. Even Council has much less interest than myth, likely due to the tribal nature of western viewers.

>>9726054
I also hate Kiara

>>9754524
I think you wouldn't be wrong, but the vtube needs to have some quality to it or else it won't work. for example I did found out about Snuffy and Juniper actias from a 3-4 minute shill video from someone's channel, they made them seem so fun that I just wanted to engage. however Juniper has mad skills and a really endearing background of "I made my model myself" and Snuffy seemed to cater to +18 humor and had great tracking and a well made 3D avatar (bc 3D is a filter on itself and on top of that they use SHITTY 3D)

what website did you use to acquire this view of no view vtubers? I like to give small vtubers who aren't very popular fanart and this would be a really good resource to use.

>>9774672
It's purple streaming site, vtuber tag, sort low to high.

>>9728114
Anon you're on /vt/ of all places. This board is exclusively about Hololive.

>>9735618
and that's the fujoshit aunties paypigging

>>9772921
> Japanese thing works better in Japan than in the West where most people find anime to be the cringiest thing ever invented.

Anon you got me surprised.

>>9775604
fujos are based though

>>9726054
Almost all those points can be solved if you have marketing budget. Work hard and invest in yourself. Go to gym, eat well, read business books, get a stable schedule and find creative ways to make your fans engage well and monetize that engafgement (make them vote with bits on one of two games they want you to play, best if you make them fight over it to donate more). Then reinvest money into better gear, marketing and projects

>>9726570
Hey i been looking for that video

>>9775737
>Work hard and invest in yourself. Go to gym, eat well, read business books,
Anon, basically all of the vtubers at the absolute top don't do any of this.

>>9775696
i agree, fujos are the best

>>9726054
First of all stop playing apex you fucking failure monkey

>>9774809
Holy shit I am retarded. I actually just googled "pruple streaming site"
I didn't know you could search low to high thou on twitch thou. Thanks for the help anon

>>9726054
>>9726054
>le luck factors in success
No shit you fucking retard. You act like you've uncovered some secret when it's the most basic knowledge of the game. You've got to put yourself on the tracks if you wanna get hit by the train. Took me 4 years on YouTube as a 2view before my shit took off. Took Ame 5. Literally every successful vtuber was a 2view at one point unless they were scouted, and even then they were probably nobodies in the industry to begin with. Luck is involved and out of your control, endurance, persistence, determination, and handwork is in your control.