/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/ (RIP)
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

Home sweet home

there goes youtube killing the numbers again

>>9715896
Marine's stream right ?

Susan fix your shit!

>>9715896
and now all her collab partner gets 10k+ ssg Marine

>>9716050
Reverse-Kuzuha strats

>>9715896
>>9715925
>>9715972
>>9716050
>>9716066
kek, that will just boost whoever was in the second place.

Anyway, Marine should get wise and just restart the stream

Marine killed her own stream to save her friends from their embarrassing numbers. So kind of her.

>>9715762
Nene's autograph sessions turned out to be a quite lucrative business. How can other Holomen learn this power?

How do we save Marine?

TOP KEK, THAT INCLINE!

Marine unintentionally did the Kuzuha boost.
lol.

>>9716154

>>9716125
I knew it! Long ass superchat reading got me sus. She really getting good at this.

You can see the exact point where Marine's stream crashed

>>9716125
She learnt from the best, lamy. Kinda realized how stacked gen 4 was with SCs. Even without Coco, they still have 2 millionaires.

>>9716154
>>9716184
>>9716201
Marine boosted everyone's peak holy shit.

>>9716213
We don’t see how much they are truly making because merch sales will never be publicly released.
Watame was speculated to have made around 700k in merch before cuts and she doesn’t have Lamy/Rushia levels of gachis or Marine/Pekora levels of popularity.

>>9716154
>>9716184

Anyway, don't make fake peak discussions.

>>9716304
I will, just to spite you.

>>9716154
>>9716184
>>9716295
HOLY SHIT, FUBUKI!

I'm not sure why you guys are hyping this up like it's not a normal thing that happens from time to time

>>9716328
Fubuki is the second best artist in the collab so of course most of the viewers flock to her

Marine...

Moona tried to start a stream, it CRATERED.

Youtube is likely dead.

>>9715762
>Omega Sisters
Holy based

>even with the boost of her stream dying none of them can come within 10k of Marine's peak
Sad

>>9716154
>>9716205
Aqua already 15k so the winner here is fubuki with10k boost.

>>9716304
You can't stop me because this is funny. Marine never bothered to open her stream again and decided to just play the game. Everyone keeps their numbers unlike a certain vamp boy's pitiful tactics.

Top 7 is already occupied by Holos. Pack your backs up. There's like 7 20ks today.

>>9716433
>never bothered to open her stream
They likely can't. Moona couldn't, for instance. Youtube must be kill for the creator interface

>>9716405
it seems the streamers arent even able to know that it is happening (or they are locked away from restarting) - moona and marine are still on

>>9716492
Yea, Moona had to restart her stream in a new frame.
It's more EN unarchived Karaoke, and Moona is really good too.

>>9716284
Nenes birthday merch has a pretty interesting thing that could let us eastimate the total units sold quite well. From what i gathere the husband passes will be numbered so if we see a high number pass posted somewhere we can guess that she at least sold that many of them

>>9716566
That would only tell you how many people bought the full set ($136~) since the signed postcard is only for full set buyers. That would be a good floor.

>>9716304
>>9716433
i know most of the fake peak posts are trolling but i don't understand those who sound a little serious. what would kuzuha channel gain from doing it deliberately? heck, what would his collab partners even gain?
(marine doesn't count because youtube is shitting the bed right now so there are little chances it's deliberate i guess)

The true Gura Killer

>>9716929
IMO if he's SERIOUSLY doing it, it's either to
>Fuck with numberfags on places like 5ch for fun because they know he knows that they know he's doing this on purpose
>Inflating metrics because someone in management is a godsdamned idiot and only looks at peaks
Or Both. Imo its funny to think hes doing it on purpose, but I'm not sure if Kuzuha is the type to troll like that, and I'm also not sure if the higher ups in Anycolor are actually that dumb either.

>>9717018
> IMO if he's SERIOUSLY doing it
For fuck sake, he isn't interested enough in his channel to FUCKING CHANGE THE DESCRIPTION HE COPY AND PASTE FROM HIS PEERS or to use a different thumb.

Anon suggesting otherwise is dumb as fuck

>>9716985
Heh. IMO the true test for this sort of thing is to compare their subgrowth once Kronii has got 6 months under her belt, her sub-curve is utterly fucked by the cullings, so who knows how her growth will look like in half a year.

so if the total boost sum is more than 33k, will it be a good enough proof YT doesnt count simultaneous live views?

Moona is growing too strong. Some anons accused HoloID of being "HoloEN rejects" but I can only imagine how far Moona could go if HoloID was the original HoloEN

>>9717147
lol it happens every collab, stop making bullshit excuses kuzusister

>>9717191
IMO the fact that the gain across all 4 of the other channels was ~27k is indication enough that YT is culling at least SOME of the simultaneous views, and also that there's a lot of mobile watchers in Japan (which is a fact, YT is viewed very heavily on mobile devices in Japan).

>>9717018
even the troll theory is more believable than the management one because like you said even if management does dumb shit they're not retarded and they would probably rather legitimately evaluate their talents' channels. besides they can look at the analytics we don't have access to, the peak CCV of a random stream is probably useless to them.
>>9717147
exactly this. he's most likely just clicking the button when he feels like it. the parts that he doesn't stream are not only super short in comparison but also nonessential to the main event (usually tournament or scrim).
but to be fair anon was just speaking hypothetically, i don't think he was implying zuha actually does it seriously.

>>9717184
Without Youtube interference Kronii's projections would be much higher actually. There's a good chance she'll reach 5 million first.

>>9717198
They would have cratered. Moona could barely speak English when she first debut. PekoMoona is the best thing to ever happen to the ID branch, they were all 100-300 view streamers back in the day (I mean Iofi and Risu still are but that’s more their own intentional doing).

>>9717198
>850k subs
>Normal streams can't even reach 2k
Literally deadsubs queen

>>9716566
JP nekkos already got their birthday goods. I believe we've seen a lot of 6000 level numbers, but no 7000. So unless they are all overseas (possible though), the number is somewhere in the high 6000s.

>850k views after 14 hours
>101k likes
>#39 trending for gaming
So this has to be another case of VOD views lagging right?
I find it very hard to believe 1 in every 8 view gave the video a like.
It'll likely be Ame's most successful VOD by a mile.

>>9717563
VOD numbers have been really weird lately in general. Hololive in particular seem to have been targeted more often now with view number freezes.

For Gura's anniversary karaoke, I think she could make an archivable stream but unfortunately, she'll have to take out Fly me to the moon. Didn't realize she mostly sang Japanese songs for her first unarchive karaoke.

>>9717729
I don't think Hololive is being targeted in particular, but once again YT's 'improvements' are resulting in them getting caught in the crossfire.

>>9717563
Why no one numberfagging likes?
Literally no vtuber branchs can beat HoloEN at likes.

Top 10 of the day so far according to live-ranking
>70,582 :: Watson Amelia
>33,189 :: Marine
>29,757 :: Pekora
>22,449 :: Fubuki
>21,996 :: Aqua
>20,888 :: Kiara
>18,962 :: Rushia
>17,815 :: Ibrahim
>16,536 :: Kanae
>15,171 :: Kanae

>>9717849
She could, but she isn't going to because she wants to redo the set list 1 to 1.
It'd be nice to see the numbers VOD wise for another archived karaoke, but wishful thinking.

>>9717882
Not saying it was targeted, more that Hololive is on the extreme spectrum of things (high live viewership, high vod views)

>>9717920
Marine managed a number 2 with half the stream broken and she boosted Fubuki and Aqua into the top 5. Sasuga senchou.

>>9718060
Day is not over yet, Kuzuha usually opens at least that high

>>9718143
It's over now for today

>>9718143
It's 12 am JST, Kuzuha isn't streaming today and 33k is a very good day for him, not normal.

>>9716732
just got my merch got the 4541 card

>>9718143
at least pretend you watch him

Moona is just flexing on her gen mates

>>9717508
yeah mine was delievered 4 days ago(to my fucking neighbours with no notice in my mail box REEEEE) got the 4541 so i guess i was faster than even the nips on this

>>9718266
>>9718326
post a picture papi

>>9717920
>70k
what the fuck happened to the 190k gura fans?

>>9718286
I thought Ollie would get higher

>>9717563
~15% is pretty normal interaction rate for big channels

>>9718363
Gura fans have a huge component that just watch her. If they were true number fags they'd just put it on her channel but obviously Ame was the point person for the event. Also Gura seems way, way past the point where she gives the slightest shit about numbers and is mostly interested in making friends and goofing around.

>>9718427
>making friends
are you for real?

>>9718363
Chumbuds only watch Gura's channel

>>9718360

>>9718427
Why are you responding seriously to bait?

>>9718477
Why are you doxxing yourself, No.4541?

Anyway, Is the max no. of cards 10k+?

>>9717920
Why is that nigger decline so hard?
He used to get 30k when playing minecraft

>>9718673
>30k
meds

>>9718477
So if we want to be generous and assume everyone who bought the card also bought the full set.
Nene made 413.2k with that number as the floor. This does not include people who only bought the smaller items (I only bought the plushie from the newest batch for example).
It’s why SC are pretty small in the long run and the real money is in merch and sponsorships.

>>9718711
He's a faggot, but not entirely wrong.
Ib was getting 30k Minecraft quite recently when he was showing off his project after finishing building the top.

>>9716985
is this right? what site is this?

>>9718477
thanks for the proof and congrats on the goods arriving safely, husband

>>9718750
Absolutely, which is why anyone that claims that Niji must be doing worse than Hololive on the basis of just SC is an idiot, and I say this as a primarily holo-watcher.
It's just SCs are easier to numberfag since we have publicly available numbers for that and not for merch.

>>9718853
>which is why anyone that claims that Niji must be doing worse than Hololive on the basis of just SC is an idiot
True, specially when both companies public financial statements are available on a regular basis

>>9718853
and also niji released voice packs like every fucking month, i don't get why anyone would buy that but they sold well, so i'm sure a good chunk of their income is from that.

>>9718750
Sc are what fund all these merch runs to begin with though.
But its true, with the holomen taking only 12-17% of the SC cut, taking it to the merch run where their cut is waaaaay bigger, since their the ones funding it and its not considered part of the salary, so they should only be paying 10-20% in tax on it.

>>9718853
The thing that differentiates niji and holo merch is that anykara probably has their own factory or something in China that could mass produce merch easily. From files, keychains to acrylic stands, it's easy to just print a picture onto them, cost less and profits 5x. From a business standpoint, it's smart but it ain't consumer/customer friendly. Then, there's voice packs. I could understand yearly ones, but monthly ones feels stupid.

>>9718663
don't think they had a official max on this set.
i need to check again but i think the postcard might be handsigned....
>>9718750
yep my girl is rich enough to finance a Icarly season!
>>9718844
thanks man hope your delieveries are swift and undamaged as well

>>9718853
Fair enough to say SC aren't everything. We don't know how much they get in ad revenue, members, sponsor deals, or other official gigs.

An anon was able to easily pull the booth numbers though for both Holo and Niji back in June.
Ignoring the Coco and Lulu graduation runs, the highest selling Niji was Lize's voice pack with ~2.8k units, which, even Mel had over 2k units sold for her full 120$ signed pack.

>>9718969
>>9719073
i don't know how common it is for other people to do that but personally i don't throw superchats (just don't have anything to say) and just add my 'superchat money' as a tip when i buy my oshi's recent voice.

>>9719069
Which is why I think it’s insane that Lamy said during her merch run that she went negative before she got her paycheck considering just how much she gets in SC.
>>9719172
How’d he manage to do that?

FINAL TALLY IS IN

>70,582 :: Amelia
>33,189 :: Marine
>29,757 :: Pekora
>22,449 :: Fubuki
>21,996 :: Aqua
>20,888 :: Kiara
>18,962 :: Rushia
>17,815 :: Ibrahim
>16,536 :: Kanae
>15,171 :: Kanae
>13,496 :: Fuwa
>12,559 :: Noel
>12,523 :: Okayu
>11,793 :: Lize Helesta
>11,777 :: IRyS
>11,359 :: Mio
>11,203 :: Kanata
>11,144 :: Korone

>>9719172
Booth likes aren't a good indicator for sales (not sure if that's the number he was using), but I've seen Kuzuha's anniversary merch get as many "likes" as Coco's graduation merch.
So I hope that anon wasn't using something like "likes".

>>9719241
It depends on the merch cost. Mass-producing acrylic stands, keychains and potato chips is a lot cheaper than making your own custom bowl or sake.

>>9719172
Niji has their own store these days, Booth is more for overseas fans

>>9719283
Literally nothing unexpected here, boring as hell. At least the numbers are good I guess.

>>9719283
>>9719465
>nothing unexpected here
Ibrahim proving once again why he's the Sultan

>>9719283
>>33,189 :: Marine
>>29,757 :: Pekora
>>22,449 :: Fubuki
>>21,996 :: Aqua
Queens

>>9719190
I could understand this. SCs doesn't really mean anything in the end, it's just text the girls would read for you. I just hope YT implements something that could make SCs more meaningful. For example, YT gives the streamer an option to give something for viewers that SCs like a digital signature and note to your email, maybe a voice attachment or something.

>>9719434
This was the daki merch pack she had.
Her sake sold out regardless, I think she had two runs?
>>9719442
Holo has their own store too but from what I read, they’re still using booth as they begin to transition to having everything on their own storefront.

>>9719283
Thanks for compiling this.
Feels weird not seeing Miko and Subaru in the daily charts considering how much both of them stream.

>>9719477
I actually missed him, you're right, that's really good. It would be even cooler if he kept the momentum, but nijisanji's don't seem to be numberfags for some reason, so I don't knoe hoe it will develop.

>>9719477
>Ibrahim proving once again why he's the Sultan
Are you going to say the same thing when he gets ~7k next time he plays Apex, the game he plays the most?

>>9719505
One of the catalogues said that Rushia is going to get vaccinated tomorrow. They both were probably doing it today.

>>9719241
Lamy's Sake project was her own initiative, not Cover's. So the funding came from her, not Cover. It is possible that the production costs exceeded her earning that month.

>>9719544
>Are you going to say the same thing whe-
kek, yes?

>>9719490
I think that one came with a plush toy too. As for the sake I think the second run is still currently in the making, it's not on sale yet.

>>9719241
>Lamy said during her merch run that she went negative
>>9719560
>Lamy's Sake project was her own initiative, not Cover's. So the funding came from her, not Cover. It is possible that the production costs exceeded her earning that month.
Cover provides the funds upfront and docks from the talent future earnings.
Talent funding their own stuff get the lion share of the profits tho.
Nobody knows how much but it is not impossible that it is 100% for a self funded project

>>9719482
>For example, YT gives the streamer an option to give something for viewers that SCs like a digital signature and note to your email, maybe a voice attachment or something.
The whole point of SCs is they act as tips/donations. Making it a product like your suggestions defeats the purpose.

>>9719663
besides what he is talking about is more in the membership ballpark. you get an icon that shows your support and depending on chuuba you also get extra content

>>9719544
why are you engaging with a royaltyposter as if he cares about or watches ibrahim

>>9719760
Oh I know he's full of shit.
Just feel like calling him out once in a while for being an idiot.

>>9719560
Don't know what's worse for a company's practice

>Produce new vtuber groups every two months, milk as much money from them e.g voicepacks/cheap merch, have them fend themselves on their own and don't pay them any salaries

or

>Doing nothing for your talents, don't pay for their merch, songs etc, incompetency all around the board, probable misuse of the money earnt, restrictions and paranoia regarding permissions

>>9719760
>>9719798
You guys take this stuff too seriously. Relax, have fun, it won't kill if you have to kneel a little

>>9719802
Second take was born out of incompetence but Cover at very least inched forward from the worst
>paranoia regarding permissions
It's not paranoia if they're really after you
>pic related
Happened to Irys just yesterday. Could easily have been a strike if it was not the dumb automated system that gives the option to trim the VOD.

Two strikes and she would lose live streaming privileges

>>9719758
Yeah, it's more like memberships. I'd gladly take a $100 membership if I know I'd be given a voice attachment to my personal email every month.

>>9719823
post to your heart's content kneelbro i just think anons replying seriously is pointless. shitpost back or just scroll

>>9719802
Fyi, my statement about Lamy's sake doesn't say anything about other merchs. And you should not generalise. This particular project is started by Lamy herself. There was another sake collab during the similar time with Lamy, Noel, and Aki. That one was official.

>>9719907
That reminds me, the reason they can’t use the bossnova version of holosongs is cause the bot will take their monetization even though the company they work for made the damn thing.
>>9719926
Nijisanji sold personal messages for $100 for the first EN wave.

>>9720008
Well, at first, I was gonna say something about the lamy sake/cover thing but I forgot and it devolved into a company rant. I should've taken off the reply no. or something.

>>9720009
>Nijisanji sold personal messages for $100 for the first EN wave
Yeah, back then, I find it somewhat reasonable for people to buy them since they would prefer to buy those instead of sending an akasupa. Custom voicepack + signed tapestry

https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1437447628103503873
>Youtube says VOD is too long to trim
>Needs to reupload
RIP the chicken VOD views

>>9720228
It’s skyward sword so at most she lost 40k anyways, not much.

>>9720265
If much it will improve her median and even her average

>>9718853
We already got solid examples in superchats for Akina and Lauren birthdays that turned that way since they didn't release birthday goods. Some fan even made a fanart parody.

TOP FUCKING KEK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFeq6JweRD8

Rushia raging is the best, Rushia numberfag raging is fap worthy!

>>9720447
This your first rushia clip or something? Screaming menhera is her bit. She is also a real menhera too. But still, that's her bit.

>>9720009
>they can’t use the bossnova version of holosongs
Doesn't Polka use them regularly in her streams? I know I've seen her use it several times.

>>9720657
My first of hers numberfagging, but I love this bit of hers since ever

>>9720780
I still don't understand why so many on YT or Internet seem to try and disregard sub (mainly as a jab to Gura fans while they are at it) when these ones chase and beg for sub on the weekly basis. Do the general public know better, or these girls know better about this metric?

>>9715888
This is probably the only ritual posts in the thread that I am glad to see...

Here's your check.

>>9721143
>when these ones chase and beg for sub on the weekly basis. Do the general public know better, or these girls know better about this metric?
Rushia got 14 thousand dollars in superchat on hitting that Milestone. You tell me.

>>9721143
Its a relic of when Hololive was really struggling, where every single sub and increase in their average CCV mattered very much to them. Gotta remember that prior to Hololive's ascension that the girls were really struggling for every last viewer they could, and at least in the JP branch, that means every milestone was something precious and to be celebrated.
Just because Gura completely blew up and rendered numberfagging milestones that aren't 1mil in EN somewhat 'irrelevant' and also seen as kinda 'uncool', doesn't mean the same is true for the JP side.

>>9721143
Unlike gen 5 and further gens along the line, gen 4 and below had felt the struggle of getting subs for months to reach a certain milestone. Rushia just really want those numbers.

>>9721143
Kuzuha just hit 1 mil and he gets 144k viewer streams for Apex while the chicken gets 2k for Skyward Sword with more subs.

There are several more over 100k btw. In the same month.

>>9721482
as you can see.

Dead subs are a thing. But many people perform better with less subs.

>>9721482
Of course it varies from channel to channel
but what I'm referring to is the usual "sub is useless, sub doesn't mean anything" that the general public loves to comment about.
When there are sub chasing streams weekly I start to think that may be the girls know better that the metric is actually important.

>>9721405
Hololive's struggling is always kind of overblown. Maybe in the very very early days. However, even before they blew up, even going all the way back to 2019, they were drawing much more viewers than an org like 774 is now.

>>9721545
Rushia makes a shitload of money, and her and Coco never had lots of viewers/subs.

>>9721545
Are you dumb?
Any excuse for a celebration means the gachis pour more money than usual.

>>9721545
Of course the professionals with the metrics and company behind them know better than some people taking guesses from scraps of information

>>9721482
How many times is this faggot gonna post this celebs leeching stream?

>>9721482
Sasuga leeching Vampire

>>9721548
I meant it as more of a culture thing, as Gens 0, 1, and 2 definitely went through it and even gen 3 to a lesser extent. Its also as >>9721591 said, a way to engage their fans to SC and just join in the celebration in general.

>>9721567
I should have specified: When I read those comments, it is usually about sub =/= popularity, yet these girls (not just Rushia) do these kinds of streams on the weekly basis so it must have meant something and is not useless/means nothing that some like to say about it.
Obviously, I know sub has nothing to do with SC, SC is more about pandering.

>>9721630
>leech
celebs go to Kuzuha, it's the other way around.

>>9721701
Anyone can click a red sub button. Rushia has what people actually want: lots of rich gachikois. Even Lauren of Nijisanji is doing better than most EN vtubers. Same reason: gachikois.

>>9721630
Mabe until Pekora collab with Jun and BTFO kuzu's numbers

>>9719096
>yep my girl is rich enough to finance a Icarly season!
But is she enough of a gachi to fund two full seasons?!

>>9721701
You are missing part of the point. The point here is for the streamer to elicit a celebratory atmosphere with a clear "victory condition" after which the superchat flows

>>9721482
Oh no no no no
Why is Kuzuha declining so hard?
He can only drop 20k~30k when playing APEX now

>>9721702
is it even leeching if the fanbases have 0 overlap and will continue to have 0 overlap even after the collab?
fans of yamada/HSJ came to watch the stream and some subbed to kuzuha but let's be real: none of them are sticking around to watch some random autist behind an anime drawing play shooting video games for 10 hours in a single sitting.

>>9721953
Unfortunately, he has dead subs just like everybody else.

>>9721960
>none of them are sticking around to watch some random autist behind an anime drawing play shooting video games for 10 hours in a single sitting
They can hear yamada's voice for 10 hours ,retard

>>9722073
i meant for kuzuha's future streams without yamada

>>9721482
>Kuzuha just hit 1 mil and he gets 144k viewer streams for Apex while the chicken gets 2k for Skyward Sword with more subs.
OH NO NO NO NO KUZUBROS, WE GOT TOO COCKY!

>1M subs behemoth vs. 760k subs humble housewife
Dead subs?

kek, Cover cracking down on bootleg merch. Smart lads, now that they've got their shop ready to go they don't want knockoffs cluttering the market

>>9721811
This really would be the event horizon moment of vtubing wouldn't it? There is palpable hype behind the Pekora/Jun collab. If it ever happens numbers may never be the same.

>>9721567
>never had lots of viewers
>rushia
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>9721811
>>9722950
once kuzuha and xqc collab and xqc calls him a faggot on stream to 200k live viewers it'll be over for everyone

>>9723022
Didn’t XQC sue the IOC for striking his reaction clip to the Olympics?

>>9722704
Cover please have a warehouse in the states so shipping doesn’t cost $20 per item plus customs fees.

>>9723158
>Cover please have a warehouse in the states so shipping doesn’t cost $20 per item plus customs fees.
That would be wise but it could backfire as well, at very least for merch the girls bankroll themselves.

It is all about numberfagging
>make too much upfront, you can't sell enough to recoup the production and storage cost
>make too little: you leave money at the table

It is that the girls have to maintain a kayfabe and not be too overt on the sales tactics but I can hypothesize you Aki Rose is one of the girls that may have lost money on merch and song producing never to recoup it to this day.

>>9721567
Early 2020 Coco was constantly breaking all sorts of records in both sub count and viewers.

Patra, at this point, may have reached the critical mass of growth to become the most successful non major (Niji/Holo) corporate vtuber.

>>9723242
How can you lose money when everything is made to order. That’s just stupid.
I’ll agree with the song production though.

>>9723357
Patra ASMR has been popular for a long time. She made a million or so from selling her ASMR on dlsite.

>>9723357
Here are her stats:

>Total Superchat: $501,008
>Total VOD Views: 127,677,378
>Total Subs: 493,000 (+11k last 30 days)
>Avg CCV of the last 15 videos: 3.5k

Very interesting numbers and she would stand on her own head to head with almost any streamer from either Niji or Holo

>>9723404
>How can you lose money when everything is made to order.
Not everything. Clothing articles, for instance, has a min number below which factories won't accept orders because the cost of tooling the machines is more or less fixed whether you make one or one hundred thousand.

So TShirts are usually made on the tens of thousands, it is an inexpensive article to make (imagine, a buck a shirt) and you can sell it for as low as 9.99 at a profit.
But if you make 10k shirts at a 10k bucks cost and fail to sell the 1000 you need to break even you are stuck with both the merch, the sunk investment and the storage cost.

>>9720447
>Otakmori

>>9723538
I assure you there's not a single holo who can fail to sell a thousand units. Even Akirose can move that much

>>9723538
Cover sells tshirts for $30-50

>>9716125
Nene is really the most improved Holomem Ive seen in a while

>>9723698
>Even Akirose can move that much
You say that today but her financial woes started all the way back in 2019 and the demonetization of her channel surely didn't help.

Here is a clip of her tyalking about how back then, once, she got demonetized and the only revenue coming from Youtube was the ad revenue she's got (literally less than one cent)
>Youtube once only pay Aki Rose 7 yen.【Eng Sub/Hololive】
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VuWWwiFATA

If these girls were not getting a fixed income and if Cover were not advancing them the production cost for their merch they would be dead in the water before they even got the chance to grow

>>9723816
Yeah that's a thing during Hololive's early days. Another incident is that Kanata took an absurdly long time to get monetized for some arcane youtube reason, to the point where most people bought her PPT t-shirt because that was the only way to send her superchats.

>>9723816
Then right after Aki said that Noel flexed a little and disclosed her two 8k bucks ASMR mics and invited her to a threeway ASMR on her house with Lamy

>>9721482
>>9721527
>There are several more over 100k btw. In the same month.
> Only example is literally the same 12 hour stream so it crossed over to the next day
kek

>>9721630
Literally until the end of time, it's the only thing he has to cling onto. This time next year you're going to open the numbers thread and see that image alongside the pomu baseball image.

>>9723816
Early Hololive was very much feast or famine. Only the top Holos really got whatever few sponsorships they got.
They’ve gotten better at giving the smaller Holos more opportunity to get sponsorships and merch these days.

>>9723939
Well, at least he would be posting numbers instead of seething about "illegal view funneling" and "Yagoo phoning Subaru and ordering her to finish her stream earlier to allow for Pekora to reach 30k" or something like that

Any other NijiEN fan feel that 70k is a very underwhelming performance for HoloEN they have so many subs, it was an anniversary, a 5 man collab, and a debut. Seems like 120k should have been the minimum. What a decline.

>9723999
Keep at it Anon, you've added 20k since the last time I saw this. You'll surely get some (you)s from some tourist or someone bored enough to bite the bait, I know it.

>>9723999
Yes, I as a NijiEN fan agree and would also add that I think negatively of Hololive fans and that I am infact behind any and all posts that speak ill of Hololive

>>9723999
>Any other NijiEN fan
>70k
>underwhelming
Anon, plz. People in this thread usually won't dunk on midgets on purpose but this is just inviting

>NijiEN Top 10 highest concurrent live views (nijimado+vnuma)
21/07/18 15,263 Petra Nijisanji debut
21/05/16 14,859 Elira Nijisanji debut
21/07/18 14,220 Selen Nijisanji debut
21/05/16 12,431 Pomu Nijisanji debut
21/07/18 12,354 Rosemi Nijisanji debut
21/05/16 9,317 Finana Nijisanji debut
21/05/25 5,986 Elira 1st Genshin stream
21/07/20 5,772 Selen 1st Apex stream
21/08/17 5,713 Pomu Return stream
21/06/27 5,448 Pomu God Knows 100+1 challenge

Even putting all debuts together it only adds to 69k. Please if you are going to talk about numbers in the numbers thread at very least hide the fact you are a NijiEN fan
>or stop falseflagging as one

>>9723960
that's because they didn't get many sponsorship offers back then, they had to approach the potential sponsors in person for each and every deal and obviously they want to set up some guidelines as to who exactly gets to represent their product. It's not until fairly recently that companies started approaching Hololive to sell their product and that allows cover more leeway in choosing who the sponsorship falls to.

>>9724117
I swear to god there was a retard back in July who tried to argue that Irys is a failure because she made less money in 14 days than NijiEN made in total. This is probably the same guy

>>9724190
He was totally unironic too.
>YOU CAN ONLY COMPARE NEW ADDITIONS WITH NEW ADDITIONS
>BY THAT MEASURE IRYS (1) MADE LESS MONEY THAN HOLOEN (6)

>>9724219
He's probably the same retard posting the niji koshien image and arguing seriously that those numbers are pomu's numbers

Jesus Christ do people really fall for bait so easily in this thread? How do you live as a fucntioning member of society? And do you actively browse other 4chan boards or what?

>>9724117
It is kinda worrying that the debuts for the second batch didn't do much better than the first batch. Shows little growth.

>>9724264
As I said, tourists or bored numberfags since no interesting streams are up right now.
The next one is Kronii with what should be the last part of Frostpunk.

>>9724264
>And do you actively browse other 4chan boards or what?
N-No...

To liven things up a little, let's to some trading

TRADE ALERT!
>TRADE ALERT!
TRADE ALERT!
>TRADE ALERT!
TRADE ALERT!

>Nijisanji gets Luna (would be a great fit with the other girls there, I assume), Matsuri and seventeen (17) guaranteed collabs with Kiara or one (1) potential collab with Gura if she's up to it in the proposed dates
>Hololive gets Hoshikawa and -ars almal-

SO NIJIFRIENDOS, DO WE HAVE A DEAL? There is some room for negotiation so don't be shy about making a counteroffer

>>9724400
I have become too jaded for fantasy Vtuber trading. You and I both know that anyone in Nijisanji would automatically do worse and anyone in Hololive will do better. That's just the reality of things

I don't think holomyth recline if you only look at the CCV. It's just there is no hype for that anniversary stream so people won't turn in to watch it live. They probably don't know it's a smol 3D debut, that's why their VOD is growing like crazy now because people are catching up. It'll pass Marine's official 3D stream 2 months ago (which has almost double the CCV) views in no time.VOD is growing like crazy and it'll pass Marine's official 3D stream (which has almost double the CCV) views in no time.

>>9724400
>Luna
>Nijisanji
Get the fuck off this thread.

>>9724400
If we were doing trades I'd rather do it between branches. Bae, IRyS, Kiara for Nene. Fair deal.

>>9724763
>They probably don't know
I mean people

>>9724271
It's more worrying that you make it out to be. NijiEN1 debuted in some of the worst conditions I've seen to host a debut, Pomu and Elira debuted opposite a Gurame collab and Fianna would've overlapped Meme review had she not delayed due to technical issues. Conversely, NijiEN2 debuted under mostly ideal conditions. In light of that, the fact that their debut numbers are mostly comparable is... concerning to say the least

>>9724400
No, stop this bs tradition.

Also, you either make it Ars, Nui and Furen to get the band back together, or you don't mention them.

>>9719490
I don't know about Subaru, but Miko took a 2-day break because she got vaccinated. She should be back later today (JST).

>>9725033
Sorry. Meant for >>9719505

>>9723999
>70k is a very underwhelming performance for HoloEN
Can NijiEN get at least 10% of that?
>it was an anniversary
>a 5 man collab
Yes
Ina, Mori and Kiara already had done a celebration stream on their channels. Gura will do 2 more streams on her channel. It wasn't a single big event.
>a debut
Debut of what?
That was just a VR stream that they didn't announced as one. Ame organized and paid alone for everything.
I'm waiting to see another niji or holo generation getting the same number doing a surprise VR stream without any help from the agency.

>>9725152
Congratulations, you got a bite. Try not to scare him off too quickly.

>>9719482
>SCs doesn't really mean anything in the end
SCs function more like a virginity test. Nijisanji do poorly on this department historically cause their talents tend to be non-virgins and ugly.

What if Gura's karaoke gets better numbers than the anniversary?

>>9725326
That just shows how untalented NijiENs are.

>>9719190
Yeah susan cut is too much. I prefer give my money via VP tips (yell) or via streamline if they have it

>>9725326
Plausible. It is well understood that Gura has a large audience that doesn't overlap with much of Hololive (if at all). But a more important thing to note is the type of content that she will be streaming, which is something that Gura is well known to be the best performing at.

>>9724117
so close for getting 6k past debut, hope Selen can do it on the Shibuya Hal custom

>>9725729
Susan's cut is 30%, way better than Twitch's 50% but anyway, it's the state's cut that ends up screwing them over. Also, how the company/streamer declares their income.
If they had average base salaries and the rest was considered "bonus" they would only be paying 10-20% of it to the government, instead of 40-60%.

>>9726032
Where the fuck do you live where 40%-60% on income tax is considered normal?

>>9716284
>700k
Dollars of yen? I am guessing dollar because yen would be too stupid but have to be sure.

>>9725326
Is granted Gura will beat all of Myth in everything and definetely beat Mori's SC numbers as well once she start her anniversary streams.
Will top and definetely beat 100k CCV either later today or on the karaoke stream tomorrow and bank a lot of red akasupas on both streams.
These upcoming hours will showcase how Gura is carrying Myth and EN in general (And soon Hololive as a whole).

>>9726784
nah bro, at least 200K ccv and 500k in sc, she's gonna beat every record in history

>>9726946
beating coco's 490k is possible

>>9726271
EU apparently.
Most of Europe has 40-50%. Depending on the salary though it can get way higher, since high earners get taxed more, just like in the US.
Japan has about 28%, though some taxes are fixed instead of percentage, so it depends on each person. Also, if you don't have JP citizenship, it's straight up +10% added.
Plus other local taxes, KanaCoco talked about both paying a lot of prefecture taxes and receiving some expensive beef as a tank you gift.

Canada has only 22-26%, unless you're self employed (youtuber), then you have a stupid 40% tax instead.

>OKAYU BTFO!
kek, I can only imagine how many of those are selling and how big is the talent cut.
Even moving 4000 nendos would move 240,000 bucks gross and that Gura one is at second preorder already.

>>9727409
>Most of Europe has 40-50%.
Problem is not just the income tax. Most countries in Europe have
>over 30% income tax
>over 15% social security tax
That is what gets docked from your pay, then
>over 20% social security tax
Paid by the employer

Any worker you hire in the EU cost at very least 2x his nominal salary in income tax, social security tax and other costs alone with a huge part of that docked from his pay

>>9727460
The talent probably barely sees anything from that sort of merch.

>>9727560
I doubt any of the HoloEN girls would sign away the standard cut the industry pay for merchandise: 5%

>A savvy talent rep will insist that the actor receive a royalty if the actor's name or likeness is used in merchandising.
>Often the studio will agree to a customary royalty of 5 percent of its net merchandising receipts.
>For items of merchandise on which more than one actor appears, the customary royalty is often reduced proportionately, based on the number of actors whose images are used.
>Experienced talent reps will insist that the royalty be reduced only if the client's likeness appears alongside other cast members receiving royalties, and if the royalty is reduced, that a floor be set — a minimum guaranteed royalty regardless of the number of images used, usually 2.5 percent.

>Net merchandising receipts are typically defined as the studio's receipts less a distribution fee and expenses.
>Which specific fees or expenses can be deducted is negotiable depending on the actor's leverage, but unless the project is merchandise-intensive or the item is a popular seller, the actor likely won't be seeing huge royalty payments.


>Of course, top talent may be able to bargain for a much higher royalty — 12.5 percent or higher — in addition to a more favorable definition of net merchandising receipts and various approval rights, such as approval over the use of his or her name and likeness on merchandise and possibly the look of the merchandise itself.
>Major stars may even negotiate a separate lucrative merchandising and endorsement deal with the studio for their characters.

That of course is for the film industry where the "likeness" of the character is the likeness of the actor but, even then, I doubt Holo members wouldn't add that clause in their contract renewal at very least if they don't have it in their first in the first place.

>N-Numberbros...
HoloMyth announcing new outfits, will a number bonanza shower this thread?

>>9727560
Source?

>>9728029
Is this real? They just got new outfits the other day, for fucks sake. Pekora is STILL waiting for Cover to give her a single alternative outfit that's not welfare new year kimono. What kind of bullshit privileged treatment is this?

>>9728323
Yeah, they announced it during the anniversary stream.
Pekora's costume situation is due to her being very picky about how she wants her costume done.
This is probably compensation for not getting a 3D model after a year.

>>9728323
>Pekora is STILL waiting for Cover to give her a single alternative outfit
Pekora is smart and is said to have vetoed all the attempts so far.
She's 100% right tho, I can only imagine what would happen if they gave her outfit to *that* rigger
>webm related

Things went so far Cover made a rare public apology PR for the delay on her alter outfit. I kneel to Pekora on this one, either they give her a world class or they can keep it

>>9718449
Yes. She's stated it in the past multiple times. And her streaming has done a 180 almost from the new gen debut because she's excited to make more friends. Even breaking cover rules to covertly collab with 2 of them and I'm betting if she streams on the 14th it'll be minecraft to hang out with her kouhais again.

>>9727750
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2fGW5Lt9jw
At least for Nijisanji the cut is lower, starting at 1% and usually being 3.6%

>>9728323
They did say the management for JP, ID and EN works differently.

>>9728323
Pekora hasn't break the record for waiting a new outfit, the record holder is Mel. Although you can argue that she got her idol costume and new year costume.

>>9728451
kek, Kaede is getting fleeced if she's signing a "work for hire" contract for the songs they record instead of adding a percentage of the revenue

>>9728638
what did you expect from record labels

>GURA IS FUCKING SQUANDERING HER GIFT!
For fuck sake, Gura, do more covers!

Here is channel with a setlist of her early karaoke that, if in most streamers channel, would easily be the most viewed covers and yet, Gura barely releases any.

>>9728638
That's the difference between working for a record label and working for your own company.
Holos from what they have said, get majority cut from their music (all Cover does is publish after all).
Merch/Music > SC
>>9728868
Covers cost money and don't earn you money. All the Covers Gura has done so far required nothing else but her voice recording (everything else was done by the other party) and even then it's usually very late.

>>9728952
>Covers cost money and don't earn you money.
They do cost, that's true, but they can absolutely earn you money.

Here is something that breaks the minds of most people
>Whitney Houston signature song "I'll always love you" is a cover of a Dolly Parton song

Now, most of the cost of a cover is the legal jiu jitsu so of course making covers of western songs is a big NO NO because of the hassle but I can absolutely see Gura covering moderately popular japanese songs with min hassle and enough success to even claim one or two of them as her own
>like Ayame and グッバイ宣言

>>9727550
Income tax is still 5-10%, it's all the other stuff you listed that adds up.

>>9729243
Nah, I'm not kidding, income tax alone is over 30%

>>9728638
Fucking 1%? Holy shit even on revenue that seems terrible. A million in revenue would net them 10K? Kiara makes more than that in membership fees, much less superchats. That's seems way too low for it to be worth any of the talent's time to shill it

>>9728430
>>9718449
Except for Ina the girls were pretty much poorfags before Hololive. The marginal increase in income they would get from numberfagging harder is almost worthless to them compared to pursing things that they enjoy. This isn't unique to vtubing most professionals could bill more hours but at some point fucking around with a hobby is worth more than another few thousand bucks once you have your first 100K/500K/1M in the bank.

This "cover" (it is nominally a cover) will make it to 1M in 4 or 5 days for a total time of 10 days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRCfFS0SsCk

Sasuga strongest idol

Why is it a good thing to have access to record labels over just doing what a lot of holomems do and just releasing it themselves? Is it the guarantee of pay? Not every song makes a profit though when you do it that way.

>>9729545
Also a big cost is commissioning the thing to begin with and finding a sound engineer.

>>9728952
Covers can definitely make good money
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEXz-iVQ6YQ
Tamaki had an all singers interview once (wish any of it was translated) and from what i understand (could be wrong translation here), Meli and Chima said a cover can cost 150-250$.
That being artwork, sound mixing, editing and low-level mv, mostly consisting of animated lyrics.
Even considering they would pay 12% to the person they cover like in the west, by most metrics a 200k views cover should make its money back just from ad revenue.

Gura especially could just sing in front of a static image and get 5 million per cover within just a few months.

>>9729545
>Why is it a good thing to have access to record labels
They can print and put a literal million of CDs in the shelves of every store in the country / planet (depending on the label) for a guarantee Triple Platinum disc and a Billboard #1 before even a single copy of the album was listened to
>because they don't count "discs sold to the public" but "discs sold to the stores"

They can also compel radio stations worldwide to put a song on rotation 4 times a day in the most popular programs until people that never ever ever heard about your sorry literally who ass knows the lyrics of your songs by heart.

That's the difference between a literally who iron platted teeth nigger shilling his mix tapes and his soundcloud and a gold platted teeth nigger doing a worldwide tour and getting arrested in Sweden for brawling with some sandnigger.

Of course nothing of that is a reality for the vtuber world with regards to music, but a small taste of it can be felt with Suisei putting hits after hits over 1M and getting a IRL gig lined up; and alternate reality Suisei that never got called by Cover doing the same songs in her indie channel for 25k views

>>9729794
Is Deron's music getting noticeable sales or air time? I don't follow her at all so I wouldn't know.
It honestly doesn't seem like signing with a record company is worth it when you compare it to someone like Suisei or Mori.

>>9718427
A big number of the shark fans don't even know they're called "chumbuds"

>>9729794
But what about something on a smaller scale? I can't imagine vtuber music is at that scale. I know some vtuber singles get #1 in japan and IRyS' EP got top ten in multiple countries but seems paltry. Many of these end up as a few thousand in physical sales and you don't need a label to release digitally.

>>9729910
>It honestly doesn't seem like signing with a record company is worth it when you compare it to someone like Suisei or Mori.
Look no further than Reol. Went from NicoNico utaite to signing with a record label to bathing with shota blood and drinking poor icelandic peasant tears in the span of a few years.

It of course depends on whether you used your money well and spent it on the most important thing in your whole career
>a good contract lawyer in your first contract

>>9730026
A big number of the shark fans don't even know very well what hololive is.

>>9729180
I thought that vocaloid type song cover permission in general is like you can cover like you want but you can't monetize it?

So anyways Kronii managed to reach 10k at her 4th part of a game, would you say that its her core viewers since it barely dropped from the last Frostpunk numbers or is there still some debut buff still active for her that makes the numbers still volatile?

>>9730404
She stopped being everyone's trick monkey saying the lines so tourist checked out on her. 10k is still pretty good but I suspect the buff is still there.

>>9730398
>permission in general
Blanket permissions are like that. Anything serious gets lawyers involved and ink on paper and all parts making money

>>9730404
Its been almost a month, i don't think there is still debut buff and i bet she'll have better numbers when playing new games especially those which are easier to watch

>>9730404
She got 14k for stories untold no? I'd say her floor is probably 5-6k based off of game, and goes up depending heavily on. Game choice/part of a series. She said she wanted to play the dlc but would probably do it on her own time to mix up what games she's playing (smart)

>>9730496
>I suspect the buff is still there.
kek
>debut year buff

>>9730404
>>9730496
>She stopped being everyone's trick monkey saying the lines so tourist checked out on her.
Kek.
She didn't overlap with Ina this time. It's not that complicated.

>>9730554
Ive seen "3 months debut buff" been thrown around a few times in these threads, does that number have a basis or is it just a random number that got memed here?

>>9730514
I feel most of vtubers use blanket permission for covers and don't make money from that

>>9730404
it was the only stream up at that timeslot so it's bound to get better numbers

>>9730671
IRyS' debut buff was a long time. It took her more than a month to settle at 7k-8k

>>9729644
Just correcting something, Melissa said 150000- 250000 yen per cover video. That's $1300-2200 USD.
Chima said it's not too much, but around 100000 yen per cover for collabs.

Tamaki even makes a joke that she's leaving Suisei last because she's afraid of how much her MV costs are and Suisei just laughs. Suisei says she just throws a number at producers and most of them just say yes so she never actually totaled up how much she spends. She also said that the mixing, illustrations, and MV editing costs are handled by someone else so she doesn't know how much they cost. Her point is, she doesn't care how much she spends if she gets the specific producer/composer she wants for a song.

>>9731266
Even if covers don't break even they're great adverts.

Maybe Suisei is shy to quote a number since she might be getting screwed. She isn't good with money considering she spends $1000 on gacha.

>>9724117
>21/05/16 9,317 Finana Nijisanji debut
Does an 8 second stream really count?

>>9729482
Mori said that before joining Hololive her roommate content was making about the same as her teacher job
Probably just from this 2 sources she was making at least $80k per year and at that time was also doing illustrations, animations and track/mixing
She could quit her teacher job and live just from her roommate but the growth was slow so she joined Hololive to get a chance of pop of

>>9731111
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/irys
>It took her more than a month to settle at 7k-8k
What are you even talking about?
The stream the officially marked her 1 month anniversary was her 2nd Henry Stickmin stream. (8174 peak)
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/4BThBR7F2KQ

Her debut buff ran out way before then.

>>9731266
Dang, well Suisei is in an enviable position where she finally has the contacts needed to get what she wants done and outside of her crippling Gacha addiction likely ha very little other costs so she can devote the majority of her extra funds towards securing what she wants. After her stint in INNK, she probably values getting that shit locked in ASAP and not fretting over every penny.

>>9731635
Looks like Nijiniggers again trying to downplay the numbers to make themselves feel better.

>>9731266
Ok, i thought 200$ for all that sounded a bit off.
That's way harder to break even then, especially since songs usually only get 1 ad, if any, per view.
Ad revenue for j-pop songs with anime visuals could be as low as 2-3$ for 1000 views

What also makes someone like Asahina Akane such a weird case, or utaus without a contract.
Putting out 30 covers in 1 year when the top is only around 500k; 150-200k views average can't be financially sound
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLU-VQpdntC88BLIYJYMfTwEznROBHwkI2

>>9731111
no it didnt lol
it was 6 streams

ame is likely going to get the worst numbers for her own anniversary.

>>9733341
>6
me again, meant 9, mistyped

>>9733200
I heard Nijisanji has some chuubas who do mixing and shit

>>9733200
Jeez you weren't kidding, she has literally 30 covers in a year. That's insane.
Imagine if Gura released 30 covers instead of 2 songs in a year...

>>9733590
Kronii sent some of her viewers to Ame, dunno if they helped significantly or were already gonna watch her anyway.

>>9733200
To top it off, some of the more popular vocaloid song producers refuse to let you monetize and charge an absurd fee.

Are superchats in pre-chat counted by playboard?

>>9735173
Watson so far.

>>9734042
Yeah they got atleast one in every branch but they aren't working for free, same case with art

>>9735282
Obviously it doesn't count, but she made more than Kiara if you include the collab. I wonder how much she would've made if Teamates didn't split their SC across two streams?

>>9735282
Not bad, since her audience is usually the least SCting per stream of the bunch.

>>9735504
isn't that ina

>>9735528
Ame has less in SC overall, but % wise gets way more per stream and per hours streamed.
Ina - 266 videos - $399,260
Ame - 380 videos - $483,006

>>9735787
>% wise INA gets way more per stream

>>9735853
Yea...there is the fact that Ame also turns off SC on a whim now though, so many of those streams have no SC.

>>9735528
According to previous thread, since their debut till the end of this August, Ina is $1477 per stream while Ame is $1167 per stream.

Gura: 37,813 $5,061
Kiara: 20,909 $26,193.04
Mori: 20,060 $30,077.28
Ina: 18,082 $12,243.80
Amelia: 15,665 $10,708.82 (ongoing)

>>9736107
what is the first number?

>>9736183
Peak viewership.
This is for debut reaction streams.
Gura did hers 6 months ago.

>>9736107
Chumbuds....

For an older discussion, this is what a majority "Non-Japanese" audience looks like in terms of likes.
21%

>>9736107
Dude, you compare half year anniversary to full year anniversary?

>>9736310
Well, the whole stream split to two because youtube fucked Gura up. So you should add the second half of the stream which is $4602

>>9736424
youtube is taking a shitload of time to process vod views numbers today, dont take it too seriously

>>9736424
Is Uto the only one who managed to successfully leech off Hololive during the boom?
She gets around 2k average live viewer from what I noticed.

>>9736107
also checking the VODs, Kiara's anniversary stream was the most watched so far, obviously Gura will have more but I am still surprised

>>9737175
One word:
Mamatori
The clips and word of mouth make it so people really tune in for the novelty of hearing Kiara's Mom's very Austrian english.

>>9737175
Mamatori is powerful

>>9737175
it was one hour longer than the rest

>>9728323
>privileged treatment
Could be, EN is a proven money maker.

The more likely explanation as to why they are getting their 3rd outfits so quick is because they probably wanted to have 3D ready to announce at anniversary. However, because Japan is being fuck shit retarded with COVID lockdowns this is probably the next best thing since they couldn't give them 3D.

>>9715762
Luto again.
love to see small corp en chuba here

>>9737175
Kiara made an event out of it.
New background (CEO's office)
Huke/Mamatori voice call.
Back/prototype design reveals.
Karaoke
Letter reading
Debut Reaction

>>9736842
Sort off, she didn't get away scot-free. The leeching/ black company drama killed her growth and SC earnings.

>>9737551
What killed her growth was her lack of consistency after returning
She should have stayed with the company if it meant being able to stream regularly

>>9737551
That, and her streaming schedule became very erratic afterwards.
Then there's the APEX spam, oh the apex spam....

>>9737540
I love seeing smart work getting numbers.

>>9728323
Pekora's a socially autistic picky bitch, can you imagine how many of Hagure's designs she has rejected?

>>9737551
When she came back it was late January i believe, still during peak HoloEN hype and she didn't lose that many viewers.

As the rest said, all the breaks and inconsistency were more to blame.
She is building up a more diverse audience from the recent Apex streams and collabs. Getting more JP people in the chat.

>>9736107
Ame got $19.3k yesterday

>>9736424
How much of her success is from being a blue Ame?

>>9738529
If blue Ame was a VSPO-type girl with a sweet style similar to Mumei, she was bound to be popular at some level

>>9738529
a lot of her success comes from being a jp vtuber aproaching the west when no one but holos did.
literally a quicker business sense than nijisanji.
Shame about the balccompany

>>9738529
Her initial exposure came from that, just like Kana.
But no one would have stuck around or super chatted if she didn't have anything going on herself.

>>9731595
JET aren't full time tenured teachers, they don't make much at all. There's a reason she was living in a tiny apartment in the Japanese equivalent of the ghetto and surviving on convenience store food.

>>9739260
Uto is no better than Kana. Difference being how much more retarded amelia`s clippers and fanbase are

cmon Gura get 30k+ there are nijis poker tonight

>>9740040
done

Hi /#/
I'm not a numberfag, but I am curious what the peak viewership was for EN 1 anniversary collab.
I did not get to catch it live

>>9739733
Nabi is stronger than Nacho, and she personally saved Uto from the company

>>9740174
A little bit above 70k.

>>9740174
70k+

>>9740040
That ain't enough. I conclude that the poker gets at least 35k because it's an all boys Collab.

>>9740262
>>9740289
Thanks anons

>>9740316
Are females a debuff for Nijisanji? I know they are solo but does it actively hurt collab numbers if there's a female in the mix?

>>9740174
Use the links

>>9740689
no

>>9740689
No. It just seems like that because the males are more popular ccv wise.
Dola, Kuzuha, Chaika, and Yashiro's 3D Poker got 51k. This one tonight will get over that, because every male there gets good numbers in 3D and this will be the first time Kanae uses his new 3D model in a non-concert.

32k for the "biggest vtuber in the world" celebrating anniversary is pretty low.

Today's superchats

>>9741369
Please link some big anniversary stream numbers, and no, Totsus don't count.

>>9741369
Still big though, But I don’t want to hear that from Nijiniggers

>>9741369
The EN public doesn't care about this stuff, they care about big shows, ame's stream was kind of a show so they liked it.

>>9741814
Rent free chumbrony

>>9740040
She got 30k, but it won't be enough anyways.
The poker collab tonight between 4 of the most popular Nijis and in 3D. It's like a 3D collab between Pekora, Marine, Miko, and Aqua.
Unfair comparison to begin with.

>>9741814
I'm a Nijifag and their annis really aren't that spectacular views wise so 32k is great. Gura already has 1.3 mil yen going on in her stream, some random Nijis I can think of like Hayato got 2.5 mil, Kaida got 2.3 mil, then again there's the whole "Nijifags only SC during events" thing

>>9741749
I'd post Marine's but...

>>9742145
>EN public doesn't care about this stuff
>literally 33k
You guys have no idea what good numbers are don't you?

>>9741369
32k peak is a good and big number. unless it's something like a live concert, anniversaries don't get as much as birthdays.

>>9742358
It's lower than what Marine got drawing scribbles today. Cope.

>>9741814
>>9742249
https://playboard.co/en/video/c2eM80kwSxE

>>9742354
>3.35 mil subs
>only 33k bother to watch her anniversary stream
>only 0.01% of her subs are actual viewers
Dead subs? Dead subs

next the baitposter will begin replying to himself again, just watch

>>9742441
>same amount of views
>almost triple the sc
Why are chumbronies so poor?

>>9742468
https://playboard.co/en/video/VSK4j1MMjD8
>659k subs
> 4,5k viewers

>>9742947
brains are programmed differently by their oshi

>>9743083
Don't respond to dead subs shitposters. It's a waste of time.

>>9743083
>posting Honma numbers
>not any of the NijiKINGs
point and laugh at the retard.

31k is a great number for a V. but considering she has 3.36 millions of subs... i dont know.
looks pretty sad for EN vtubing. it will continue to fade

niggers, whats the SC on guras stream so far

>>9743405
If you don't know how to read a thread or open a website you need to kill yourself out of the thread

>>9738029
She returned in late February and had good numbers for a short while before the return buff wore off. It was weird how sudden and big the dropoff was though. Compare her Doom streams from early March: 3h 190k views, 6h 160k views. They were only 3 days apart.
Then after that like others said she took long breaks etc. Anyway I don't think she cares much about numbers with how much she's debuffing herself.

>>9743405
13k

>>9743329
She has higher subs than all males except for Chronoir.

>>9743083
That's pretty much the same as Luna

>>9743784
But again her career is 3 years long
Im not trying to give an excuse for nijiniggers, but what numbers do you think holomyth will have in 2023?

30k is bad number? What weed are we smoking in here?

>>9743784
Then post Chrononoir numbers retard. You obviously chose to cherrypick Honma numbers because you know Gura is consistently mogged by NijiKINGs

>>9744008
>>9742441

>>9743935
For the vtuber with the highest amount of subs in the world celebrating her anniversary it is. It's less than what Marine got drawing scribbles.

>>9743935
The one in which CCV scales with subs.
Which it doesn't, certainly not with any significant correlation, but the dead subs anons love to parrot it around and just ignore the fact that those subs DO show up once ina a while and shove King to fucking 5 mil in 10 days.

>>9743935
People pretending that anniversary streams without a 3D/totsu element are some kind of big draw are retards.

>>9737655
Rrats of her being under a Chink company was the reason why she was being dropped by viewers though. Add in to the fact that it was found out that she was using Hololive metatags and had to remove them. Now no one is being bombarded with Uto recommendations

>>9744103
This thread has so obviously been injected full of newfags and people can't stop replying, now I know why graphfag stopped posting

>>9744102
>Shit CCV compared to her overinflated subs
>b-but muh VOD views cope
Wanna know how I can tell you're a chumkiddie?

>>9744073
Sure but marine vod is lower than gura so? Can marine get 5m views in 1 week for a song?

>>9744008
Kanae's 3rd year anniversary stream (13k)
https://playboard.co/en/video/FDnl_5vlxUI

Ibrahim's Birthday stream (Bdays > anniversarys, 7.4k)
https://playboard.co/en/video/qY7eEPNURQM

Kuzuha's 3rd Anniversary stream (31k)
https://playboard.co/en/video/c2eM80kwSxE

>>9744381
>all have much higher sc than Gura, even the 7.4k one
You can't make this up

>>9744148
This is like people unironically thinking Amegeddon had any kind of impact outside this board.
No one outside this board and 5ch cared, she naturally dropped in views when she stopped being FOTM and her content got stale

>>9744381
pretty curious to see what kind of numbers kuzuha will get on his birthday this year. the one from last year is still his most superchatted stream.

>>9730671
It's absolute retardation is what it is. The debut buff lasts at best two weeks if you want to stretch it. A "three month debut buff" is something that became a meme here because of all the nijiniggers throwing shit around

>>9744381
Kanae
13k/850k = 0.015%

Ibrahim
7.4k/388k = 0.19%

Kuzuha
31k/1.02m = 0.30%

COPE, SEETHE AND DILATE. NijiKINGs have more CCV to subs engagement than your stupid memeshark.

>>9744576
Considering how hard he's inclined for special streams in the past 2 months, I wouldn't be surprised if he got 50-60k viewers and even more SCs.

https://playboard.co/en/video/zl_6LW2YePA
Kanae got 38k for his birthday and $82k, so 20k more for Kuzuha for each is possible imo.

>>9737441
They aren't actually getting their new outfits any quicker comparatively, 5 gen got their third outfits not too long ago too

>>9744576
what subs and median ccv he had at that time?

>>9739599
She mentioned on her last stream that she was in a good situation before joining Hololive and that she was maintaining her JET job just to have a stable source of income but it wasn't necessary for her to live
That contradicts a little the story of she being poor as fuck at the start of HoloEN. Probably when she talks about being poor she is referring to a period before 2020 when her channel was super small and she was founding her music with her JET job
Since the JET salary is 280k yen and she said that her roommate was getting about the same, her monthly income was about 560k yen + other stuff

https://youtu.be/2cEQDqn-sbY

>>9744381
nijifans are so weird on what they decide to watch and not. UNless there is 3d, official niji collab or kuzu invovled they dont watch most things.

>>9744810
https://playboard.co/en/video/Yva28FzjLhA

>>9744847
The funny thing is, Ibrahim's birthday stream (7.4k) was sandwiched between 2 Minecraft streams where he got 25k+ on both.
His fans showed up to pay him tho, so it doesn't really matter.

>>9744847
Think about it this way, why the fuck would 82k people show up to watch Melissa play shin chan?
Do you believe that Hololive fans show up in droves to listen to Lamy drink and thank super chats the same way they would for a concert or something?

>>9744847
where are guras 190k

>>9744934
Makes sense, he does not have 25k regular fans so why would they care about his birthday.

>>9744183
He's still around, it's just that his charts relied on vnuma so when that died so did the charts.
Last I heard he was planning on making a piyo replacement on his own.

Why are nijiniggers like this?

Why are holobronies like this?

Why are Vbutas like this?

why are samefags like this

>>9745144
Yea, and then someone said Piyo is coming back next week* and he went to drink himself silly again? so who knows. Its also 100% a project of passion so I get it.

>a Chuck Norris joke
Well that takes me back.

>>9745446
Wrong thread, but at least someone in this thread is watching streams lol

>>9745536
It's interesting to see the CCV incline so steadily once she started reacting to clips.

>>9745040
Busy at work? Most of Holo fans aren't nip NEETs you know that's why they could afford to give SCs more.

>>9745675
reaction content is alwasy powerful. A lot of vshoujo highs are when they do that for example.

>>9745908
holy cope lmao

>>9745908
Working at 10 PM?

>>9745675
Tbf, this is probably the best compilation of her clips. Her CCV dropped after the Maneater and TABS clips. If she marketed this anniversary stream better (saying she's going to be watching her own highlights), she might have gotten 40k.

Obviously some people might have had to leave for numerous reasons, but 35k viewers, 36k likes is a ridiculous ratio.

>>9745959
Also lows. A lot of Vshoujo "reaction" is just a boring slog of them trying to create content from random clips.

>>9745992
Yea. There's absolutely YT fuckery with the CCV afoot, and every time I see this sorta nonsense it just makes me more annoyed at YT and their 'fair' CCV nonsense.

Seeing HoloEN put up these big numbers in the last couple days is really triggering the Nijiniggers isn't it? They have been so salty lately.

>>9745986
SEAnig working hours, maybe that's what he mean.

>>9746144
the accident wasn't your fault anon. you need to let go.