/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

Hopefully, we don't

>>9964821
should have went with the "I am retarded" op picture instead. Anyways, here are the ranks from earlier today.

home sweet home

>>9965217
>First JP collab of the most popular Vtuber in the world
>loses twice to a rabbit who can't be understood by 99% of the world
Rumao. Dead subs? Dead subs

>>9965217
does kuzuha actually have non asians watching him and giving him 20k overnight or do his fans also have a vampire sleeping schedule

>>9965460
Every time I see Kuzuha and Pekora getting 20K~40K at 3AM JST I notice just how terrible the NEET problem is in Japan.

>>9965574
right, the same happens with peko. how the fuck do they do it?

>>9965369
newfags should use the rope

>>9965623
It just shows how loyal Kuzuha and Pekora's fans are that they'll watch whatever stream they do at whatever time and how fickle Gura's are that they won't even watch her collabs or play debuff games

Strong collab for NijiEN.

>>9965886
Niji slowly but surely inclining
Holo crashing and burning.
You love to see it

>>9965217
Damn, Ina

>>9965939
Can you not try to be a tribal dork when Holo just started 9 minutes ago and are already doubling numbers?

>>9964821
HoloEN debut buff is officially gone

>>9965752
It's no secret that a high percent of Gura's subs are children that have to go to sleep before school and stuff.

>this early in the thread, and already this amount of dumbassery and samefagging
yup, op>>9964821 should have picked the retard picture

>>9966075
Yeah, it's been gone for a while.
They're already in the "starting to build your own audience" recline
Though, going by Gen5 timeline, that might take 4-6 months for some.

>>9966044
>1 mil sub Vtuber
>Member of the most hyped 2 gen of the most prolific EN Vtuber group/gen
>only 8k and 5k respectively
Thanks for proving my point retard. Cover bubble is imploding and we're seeing it in real time. Sell your Holoshitter coins and take the Nijipill before the Final Yab happens and Cover closes up shop in a month or 2

Fauna ASMR
>15 min in
>7,038 watching now
predictions?
will she get 15k?

>>9966115
OP will never learn, he's retarded himself

>both streamed just chatting, same peaks
>ina peaked before amelia started
>mumei peaked while amelia was also on
pretty good showing by mumei, seems shes at least as strong as ina

>>9966232
why are you so angry, sweety?
did you eat well today?

>>9966232
the cope in this one is really hard

>>9966115
>samefagging
That's what keeps this thread alive

>>9966253
to be honest i believe that Owl is the 1 who will keep declining

>9966232
If Niji EN gets good numbers
>See I told you that slow and steady growth is the way to go
If Niji EN gets bad numbers
>They're still growing and inclining and will continue so without a doubt eventually beating Hololive
What a good narrative to have, slow and steady schizo. It'll just always work in your favor

>>9966253
from what I've seen, EN2 in general have pretty good zatsu/sc readings. Kronii and Fauna have 5.5k and 4.5k respectively during SC readings in their last stream (both are MC tho). Baelz had a guerilla one in JP prime that 3k.

>>9966232
>20 minutes in now
Subaru - 13,466 watching now
Fauna - 8,043 watching now

>>9966417
bumping it from page 2 to page 1 is not saving it from death

>>9966345
>>9966360
>Holoshitters slowly bleeding viewers and Superchats, and have sponsorships cancelled on them left and right
>Nijis inclining in viewers and supers, and keep getting high profile sponsorships
And I'm the one coping? Rumao. Tick tock Holobronies, your time is over, you just haven't realized it yet

>>9966584
nice cope

>>9966472
>they say numbers don't matter, but they keep using numbers when it suits their narrative

>>9966538
>1 mil subs
>popular JP chuuba with decent English skills
>only 13k CCV
??? Am I supposed to kneel to this or something?

When OP doesn't use the retard image, the thread is infested with numberniggers.

>>9966584
Coping Delusional Nijifaggots

do you understand people stop read your bullshit after 2nd word?
what a waste

>People acting like Pekora scoping out the EN server looking for stuff to destroy hasn’t been hotly anticipated since the portal was announced.

>>9966684
Subaru always gets more than this tho. The other Nijis will never have numbers like Subaru's and will probably reach 1M after 3years at best LMAO

>>9964821
>1k a day
>0
now does everyone understand their initial subs WERE botted? this is lower than holoID.

>>9965217
>aqua marine shark ina
>24k
hololive is dying, marine used to get 32k for a zatsudan by herself.

>>9966684
Do you expect 1m ccv? What are you? A retard?

>>9966975
what about 63k during Peko x Kiara collab?

>>9964821
Huh? Why are they so slowly growing? And why is Belz suddenly the worst of the bunch?

>>9967047
Usada Pekora got 130k for talking to her mom, holoEN is the failure here not Peko.

Holy shit why are so many faggots shitting on Hololive? I don’t get it. Hololive clearly has the highest numbers but why the fuck does % matter? Is this the new Nijicope?

>>9964821
Why is Baelz having lower sub count compared to one of the 2 roasties?

>Selen gets 2k subs a day with 150k subs
but this board told me nijiEN was a failure. what happened, councilfags? Even the first gen got 5-10k subs daily.

>>9967079
>aqua marine 24k is bad
>holoEN is the failure here not Peko
nc narrative, moron

>>9967216
24k for 4 people and the "biggest vtoober in the world" is awful.

>>9967181
Anon they are failures compared to EN… they are HoloID tier. Selen is carrying the group because the others strugger to reach 3k heck, even 1k

>>9967181
Hololive decided to hire 2 roasties in their 2nd gen and a trans manager. Get woke go broke and the competitors will take over the slacks.

>Susan took 1k subs away from EN 2 earlier today

Wtf she's back at it again?

>>9967216
>beaten by nigger of EN
ngmi

>>9967247
>biggest vtoober in the world
fuck this strawman by yourself, moron

>>9966684
>18k 40 min in
Here's your last (you)

>>9967371
this board says she's the best cause of subs. fuck you. no going back on what you claim now.

>>9967181
>this board told me nijiEN was a failure
When compared to HoloEN? Yes, it is. They cannot maintain the same degree of live viewers. But if you don’t care about that, they are fine.

>>9967181
But they are failures though

>>9967410
>muh bot viewers
explain why their growth is the same with "more viewers".

>>9967402
>this board says she's the best
fuck this strawman by yourself, moron

>>9965886
good number? Oh right its nijiEN i thought it was 12.6k and 12.4k

>>9967483
so you parade her subs and say she is the best but when the streams dont reflect that, it doesn't matter.

okay.

VShojo has more of a chance of competing with HoloEN than NijiEN.

What happened?

Sod this, migrate
>>9967485
>>9967485
>>9967485

>>9967465
If you make a claim, you must provide evidence. What we know is that NijiEN live viewers are much lower, and by comparison to HoloEN, are failures in that regard.

>>9967465
clearly nijis is the one using bot here, there's no way the got 2k subs in a day

>split thread
Is this a new shitposting tactics?

>>9967600
>much lower
204k is low huh?

>>9965752
Hey I woke up at 4 am to watch Gura on not her channel. That colab would have done much better than it did if it was on Senchou'sand Gura's channels.

>>9967542
Orange woman debuff

>>9967150
Nijinigger infestation, as is wont to happen when the op uses a number chart instead of a retarded meme as the op

>>9967542
If Kiara speaks German sporadically she would have more viewers.

>>9967542
Numbers are both higher than NijiEN. Is that your point?

>>9967520
>"you" parade her subs
newfag
>/vt/ is hive mind
nc narrative, moron

>>9967640
>Nijinigger
Sana is the one in Cover, though. I don't see any black nijiENs.

>>9967635
Yep it's the Kuzuha nigger

oh shit the pomu koshien anon is back next he gonna post the august 6

>>9967635
Yes, NijiEN has lower viewers than HoloEN. There is no debate about it. You only have to explain why

>>9967713
does this change that EN2 is objectively a failure?

>>9967627
nijinigger been making split thread because their feeling got hurt from shitpost and bait pls understand

>>9967150
The people these threads are meant to contain is exactly why people shit on Hololive

>>9967703
What is August 6?

>>9967729
>does this change that EN2 is objectively a failure?
By Holo Gen1 standards? It doesn’t live up to it. By NijiEN standards? It exceeds it.

>>9967542
Pekomoona: most anticipated collab and it became the very thing that boosted HoloID as a whole and greatly improved everyones numbers. There were literally tons of interactions before this collab which generated alot of hype.
1st Peko x Kiara collab: JP server buff + debut buff. HoloEN had the longest debut buff but schizos are saying that they are dying but when you look at Nijisanji ( minus Kuzuha)…

>>9967781
>Nijinigger again
That's not a nice word to say about Sana, anon.
>>9967821
NijiEN lives rent free in your mind. So you justify 5 shit vtubers who are objectively bad. With no actual talent like a Pekora.

>nigger skins
>questionable interpersonal relationships from some of the members
Is this why holoEN gen 2 failed? I mean compared to gen 1.

>>9967247
>At 5 AM in the morning at best for most of her audience
>Not even on her channel
At least try

>>9967781
If only retards would stop giving (You)'s to bad intention NijiEN numbers poster, who the fuck parading sub 5k views in /#/ thread anyway, it all started from this reply chain
>>9965886
>>9965939
>>9966044
And retards keep doing it starting from this
>>9966232

>>9967627
Hey if you want to stay here and be a dancing monkey for the kuzunigger while doing the koshien retardation timeloop then be my guest

>>9967909
at least try? Pekora and Kuzuha fans will watch anything they do. At least you try, chumfaggot.

>>9967881
I was only talking numbers.

Live Viewers for EN:
HoloEN > VShojo > NijiEN

>>9967943
view count = quality of streamer, I guess you never watched Coco then. Big number = better content, clearly.

>>9967942
>Pekora and Kuzuha fans will watch anything they do.
kek

Sana

9/1 - 6,843
9/3 - 3,621
9/5 - 6,663
9/7 - 3,679
9/8 - 6,033
9/9 - 6,102
9/10 - 6,102
9/11 - 4,972
9/12 - 7,881
9/13 - 5,190
9/15 - 3,520
9/16 - 2,219
9/17 - 3,162

>median: 4,972
>average: 4,873

its over... first HoloEN to break under 5k median views... literally NijiEN tier

>>9967980
I’m talking numbers, in a number thread. Opinions about who the best streamers are is subjective.

For now number-wise, this is what we can say for EN:
HoloEN > VShojo > NijiEN

>>9967524
Absolutely true. Their content is similar but quite different so they have a different audience. NijiEN is basically a HoloEN downgrade. They won’t ever beat HoloEN unless all of HoloEN graduates

>>9968052
Keep biting the bait good goy

>>9968035
her content has been shit since day 1, dont compare her to Pomu.

>>9968035
>Even the lowest HoloEN is higher than NijiEN
Yes

>>9968068
downgrade? what kind of mental gymnastics does it take to think the stupid rat is better than Pomu or Elira?

you're just a tribalist monkey, that's all.

>>9968035
Well nobody's gonna sub to a nigger roastie.

>>9967863

>>9968082
of course why should sana being compared to pomu, pomu only able to bring like 2.5k, sana is selen tier even better because she draw her own membership emote

>>9968081
Maybe I’m the bait. Who even knows anymore.

>>9968035
NijiEN is not that good dumbass. They have like 2k median. It’s embarrassing

>>9968017
It's true, the King and Queen are walking buffs

>>9968187
you really need to stop associating view counts with content quality. many indies shit on all these holos.

>>9968209
2k median is something any indie would dream of.

>>9968209
Embarrassing is having the Cover buff and only getting 3k people. Or less. HoloEN is objectively dying cause the west isn't dedicated like the JP audience.

>>9968035
>the lowest holoEN has double the median of the top nijiEN
ouch

>>9968273
Yes but to a big corpo EN vtuber is a no no

>>9968258
This is the fucking numbers thread, get out

>>9968137
To the Nijiniggers who want to compare to Holos, what does any NijiEN provide that you can't get with Hololive? Selen is good at Apex, is that it? Why would people want to stop watching something with proven quality over an unknown?

>>9968258
You cannot prove one streamer is more fun than another, because it’s subjective. You can only prove one number is higher than another. Comparing numbers is the only thing substantial in this thread.

>>9968137
As a whole you retarded fuck. You could compare the lowest HoloEN and the highest NijiEN and Holo would still win. Niji literally tried to copy Holomyths success by copying the cutesy design and all female gen group. They promoted the fuck out of NijiEN and yet Holochads stay winning.

>>9968258
go back to your indie thread or nijiEN general

>>9968315
she's on her way to numbers worse than Elira, retard. Never mind Selen playing Apex. But you're obviously underage and stupid so why bother arguing.
>>9968340
What does holoEN provide that indies don't? EN2 is objectively shit in terms of talent. JP gen 3, that's a talented group.

>>9968258
we're discussing numbers here, not your subjective opinion, which is worth less than shit

>>9968362
>winning
yeah 1k subs a day right after debut with no growth and shrinking view counts is definitely winning.

pretend nijiEN doesn't exist. EN2 is objectively failing right now. Nijisanji isn't the reason they are bad.

i see the nijien schizo is here again

Anyway 10k for faun asmr. it is friday night and tat is sually low for EN. But still good numbers.
RRat is gonna sing at the same time as mori will challenge herself with jumpknight
so would be interesting to see how high she can reach.
im interested to see how much sana will get tomorrow(?) since she is doing a 3 stream across the day and finish with the council collab.
And in the topic of more important nijis are none of edengumin on the ARK new arc ?

hololive in the clearance bin... its over...

>>9967927
No it actually started with this
>>9965369
And potentially from the op itself who clearly isn't one of the usual ops.
Anyway you can stay here and argue with bad faith pomuniggers all you want or you can move over to the actual numbers thread. Your choice

>>9968419
you retards like to say "but they are doing better than nijiEN", when vshojo is kicking your ass. WITHOUT A DEBUT BUFF.

vshojo. remember them?

>>9967635
Fuck it, Here we go again. Please do us a favor and commit suicide

>>9968427
Luna..

>>9968417
>pretend nijiEN doesn't exist
ok give me some of your copium

>Check 4stats
>/#/ thread is the third fastest thread in /vt/ right now
We did it! We're inclining! Shitposter(s) helped us!

if holoEN2 is so good why can't they beat Veibae in viewers?

>>9968427
IT'S TIME TO JUMP SHIP ANON, THE HOLOBUBBLE IS BURSTING

>>9968375
You can only say what the numbers are right now. NijiEN is a failure compared to HoloEN. This is just reality.
>EN2 is objectively shit in terms of talent.
It’s subjective. Also how do you define talent? Art skills for example? And how is NijiEN providing that more than HoloEN?

So the only Niji able to beat hololive is Kuzuha huh?

But hololive is getting complacent lately as Kuzuha is also getting more and more superchat, even surpassing Pekora this month.

>>9968417
You do know its been 3weeks since their debut right?

>>9968419
>>9967485

>>9968417
Suddenly subs matter when Hololive Enis slowing down on subs. What happened to subs don’t matter nijicope? Gura has like 20x more subs than NijiEN combined. They are actual shrimps compared to the shark.

>>9968543
try evaluating holoEN by itself. it's declining, a lot. how nijisanji is/isn't doing, doesn't change that. But hey, if talking about nijisanji makes you ignore that, good for you.

>>9968573
the same shark who lost over 50% of their audience despite getting more (dead) subs? that one?

can they even break 20k on a non-meme stream these days?

>>9968562
holo debut buff last for 3 month, while nijis is for 2 weeks max

>>9968574
>try evaluating holoEN by itself
If HoloEN can only compete with itself, it is doing the best. If you refuse to have it compete with NijiEN, than the argument is obviously over. HoloEN is too good.

>holoEN2 is tanking
>"b-but they are beating nijiEN!"
whatever makes you feel better about the decline.

>>9968672
>still beating them while declining
so this is hololive

>>9968427
Damn I want some Korone Hi-Chews.

>>9968672
>they are beating nijiEN
Either it is a factual statement, or it is not. If HoloEN is doing badly, then NijiEN is an abomination.

>>9968474
Never heard of em

>>9968704
Actually, Elira/Pomu/Selen have gained an audience over time while holoEN have lost a large amount of viewers since last year.

Not sure if you are aware, but that's not growth, that's regression.

>>9968474
How? I don’t use Twitch so I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about but its probably around 10k viewers so keep coping schizo

>>9968533
But they are beating Veibae in views since this is her average and en 2 is beating that.

>>9968726
nijiEN isn't the reason EN2 is terrible. that's a scouting issue. compare that shit to Pekora/Marine/etc in one gen.

but you're just a retarded SEA idiot who can't think, so i'll stop arguing with you now.

>>9968732
>Elira/Pomu/Selen have gained an audience
A very small one.

Anyway, how's nijiEN new gen and holoID new gen numbers if compared head to head?

>>9968533
How much viewers is she getting?

>NijiEN
>Backed by Sony and tons of Chinese money
>Highly anticipated English branch from the "largest" vtuber company in the world
>Can't even get VOMS tier viewership
What went wrong bros?

>>9968777
Let me jump in my time machine and check.

>>9968771
>nijiEN isn't the reason EN2 is terrible. that's a scouting issue.
That’s more subjectivity. The only objectivity is the numbers. People prefer HoloEN over NijiEN.

>>9968808
>EN2 get 1-2k subs per day
what went wrong? oh right, botted subs.

>>9968751
I don't watch Vei, is she one of those Twitch streamers that goes for like 10 hours with long stretches of reacting to random videos and other inane content? 7k average on a 10k peak is kind of shitty but that kind or streaming style or maybe Twitch's raid system might explain that.

>>9968573
Yes they do. Gura gets around 20k+
each stream and her karaokes get higher numbers. Big number > small number and why the fuck are you Nijiniggers using % ? In that case some indies get higher than Niji because someone can have 5 subs and get 10 viewers and in your retarded mind means that they are better than Hololive.

Any reason why the rrat is lagging behind? I thought she was second behind Kronii during debut?

>>9968934
>7-10k is shitty
now look at Sana.

>>9967542
Makes me wonder what numbers would for a 2nd official PekoMoon collab.

>>9969023
More, cause Pekora actually likes Moona

>HoloEN2
>Backed by Softbank Group the world's largest technology-focused venture capital fund and tons of Chinese clippers
>Highly anticipated English branch from the largest vtuber company in the world
>Can't even get Vshoujo tier viewership
What went wrong bros?

>>9969023
It will never happen. They hate each other.

>>9969019
>even the lowest HoloEN is ahead of NijiEN
Yes

>>9969019
Sana's in a pretty terrible situation. Holo ID/Niji EN tier views.

>>9969065
Roasties. And trans manager.

>Nothing live at all now for Holo
>Suddenly four streams starting all at once in 40 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_amw744_RE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GfBN6PRVHE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asajh2LG95g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-fBafefNmo

Interesting selection of content, number thoughts?

>>9969071
we're talking about Veibae of vshojo, retard.
>7-10k is bad
no, 3k in Hololive is bad.

We need to stop posting in threads with number ops

>>9968864
>Gura 3.3m subs 1 year
>Kuzuha 1m subs 3 years
What went wrong? See how retarded you sound?

>>9968808
It really is baffling how much they have failed despite having all the hype in the world and being backed by such large corporations. Then you have the entire ad campaign leading up to their debut.

The only answer is that they did a poor job scouting for the talents. All the corporate money in the world won't keep butts in seats if the talent is boring.

>>9969065
turns out you can't force shitty talent to be entertaining. Scouting matters. Pekora was a nobody on NND. Cover went out and got 5 boring "high sub" indies.

>>9969109
>we're talking about Veibae of vshojo
What does that make NijiEN then? Trash by your standard?

>>9968993
Bad streaming times, hit and miss game choice, and possibly her accent filters ESLs? I think it's pretty light but people here swear up and down that Kiara and even Ina are impossible for them to understand so idk. I think it's mostly the streaming times.

>>9969110
Ask in the other thread, this is the retardation thread

>>9969121
Kuzuha had multiple Apex streams in a week with 150k people, what went wrong with the shark that can barely scrape 20k?

oh right, chumcucks are dead subs.

>>9969110
okayu feels so out of place but is saturday there.
i guess 8k for both. The ratt is the wild card since it is a japense karaoke but is overlapping mori.
i want to say 8k but depending on the rrat singing voice since she didi a good kon song on debut could reach 10k

>>9969151
Just for fun, pretend Pomu or Selen were in Hololive. Actual, interesting/fun talents. Not some boring ASMR whores or bad voice actors.

Or imagine Pikamee, or Veibae, or Nyanners in Hololive.

talent does matter, as does personality.

>>9969205
>chumcucks are dead subs
What matters is live subs, and HoloEN is beating the other ENs, including NijiEN.

>>9969177
>her accent
What? She has an accent?

>>9968993
is the australian time debuf same a s sana.
The difference is that she speaks japaense whenstreaming at that time while sana doesnt.

>>9967542
Both of those were before the December viewcount change.

>>9969205
Retard.

>>9969205
Dumbass Nijinigger you are missig the point. Either you are a SEAnigger or just plain retarded. Do I have to explain it to you, monkey?

Kuzuha and Gura should collab

>>9969250
Why would I want talent that is proven to not draw numbers instead of talent that is proven to draw numbers? Don't be silly anon.

>>9969257
>rat got 0 subs the other day, Selen got 2k
are they though?

>>9969265
Yes she's from Australia. I also forgot that she does translate herself into JP a decent amount and that triggers some people as well.

>>9969250
But they didn't now get your stupid imagination out of number thread and make imagination thread

>>9969277
>Nijinigger again
Sana isn't in Nijisanji, by the way. We have no black nijiENs.

>>9969289
Yes on average, HoloEN Beats NijiEN in live viewers. There is no debate there,

>>9969309
>she does translate herself into JP a decent amount and that triggers some people as well
So basically same problem as Kiara huh.

>>9969332
>Apple is the best at computers cause they have the most fans
this is your retard logic.

So, is it because friday night in burgerland or is it because saturday morning in SEAland ?

>>9969326
>We have no black nijiENs.
And they are still failures.

>>9969332
wdym there's no debate, didn't you see this thread? nijifags keep bringing up sub 2k live view number to shit on holoEN

>>9969289
How fucking retarded are you? Sana is literally doing debuff after debuff while selen is leeching off of Kanae and Apex Apex Apex and collabs and shit? Content matters.

>>9969357
I didn’t say which is more fun, as that is purely subjective. I said which has higher numbers, as it’s a number thread.

>>9969205
>multiple Apex streams in a week with 150k people
Ogey

>>9969362
The pomunigger is a burger who's usually active around burger prime time so you tell me

>>9969394
NijiEN has inclined from 1.9k avg to 2k avg, it's over for Hololive

>>9969280
Why would the KING lower himself to literal who faggots?

>>9969425
t-series has more subs than everyone, we should declare them the best youtubers.

>>9969326
Did I say NijiENnigger?

>>9969431
no no no no he's gonna bring up the August 6

>>9969250
Pomu would do good. Selen would probably struggle, there's only so many people that like Apex and her other content isn't that great. She would also have a hard time finding Apex collab partners beyond the handful of JP Holos that play it. Veibai's act wouldn't fly in Hololive, and fi she toned herself down she'd lose all her content. Nyanners would probably be ok and even do well. Pikamee is hard to pin. I imagine she would get the kind of numbers Haachama does when she streams in EN, but streaming every day? Hard to tell if that many people would want to watch an ESL consistently.

>>9969403
Not my fault your nigger chuba is not talented. I guess it's in character, they should have gone to school.

>>9969470
Even if he does that's like 1 stream with the e-celeb

>>9969394
“There is no debate” means that there is no actual debate here. Niji complaining isn’t a real debate. If HoloEN live viewers are higher, that ends the actual debate. It’s just facts at that point.

>>9969357
Anon… that comparison is completely off… Are you a retard? They are comparing numbers not who is the best. What the fuck is wrong with you Nijiniggers?

>>9969459
In terms of numbers yes, they are.

>>9969531
it's an analogy, Apple have lots of cultist fans for a shitty product, so they are just like Hololive.

>>9968993
She's not really standing out with the content she has put out as well as her type of character on EN side. Kronii's got cool but depressed look, Mumei gives the cute retarded daughter experience and Fauna's got the mommy vibe. Sana also stands out but in a bad way, looking like someone who doesn't really care. Baelz is looking to be bland in comparison.

>>9969459
VTuber numbers, in a VTuber number thread
>>9969497
>we have all white VTubers in NijiEN, and they still lost.
Yes.

>>9969459
This is not a thread about which vtuber is the best, it's a thread about trends and numbers, or it should be, but unfortunately it's been taken over by retarded tribalfags, schizos and shitposters. Like you, retard.

it's funny seeing you morons defend 5 shitty EN2 vtubers because "more numbers than nijisanji".

But you don't watch nijisanji anyways, that doesn't mean they are actually watchable (and they aren't, look at the decline).

>>9968533
Vshojo will pass HoloEN in average viewers because they don't have the same restrictions
Veibae can watch and play whatever she wants to while Hololive members needs to literally beg for permissions and still get a negative response or just be ignored

>>9969280
gura doesn't play apex and kuzuha knows as much english as the average gura watcher knows japanese kek

>>9969497
> Apex = talent
This is why Nijiniggers shouldn’t be allowed to talk

>>9969280
Kuzuha does streams with literal celebs regularly, he has no need to do streams with an irrelevant has-been.

>>9969618
>will
so daydreaming again nijibros?

>>9969618
You can’t really claim victory for VShojo is they haven’t actually got it. You have to except that HoloEN is on top.

>>9969719
holoEN is literally dying, even marine/pekora can't save them. vshojo with no restrictions won't get stale nearly as fast.

Even Sana is an artist, and she is the lowest HoloEN. I still need to hear all the talents of NijiEN.

>>9969567
What the actual fuck? Do niggers like you just hate whats popular?

>>9969781
We cannot go by your prediction, the reality is that HoloEN is on top of EN.

>>9969614
Of course i don't watch inferior product when the clear superior one is available only those that need to feel good about themselves watch the inferior one

>>9968771
>>9969357
>>9969459
hello nijiniggers, this is the numbers thread. nobody cares about your taste and that wasn't the point anyway
>>9969567
>comparing numbers to quality is not retarded at all
you're fucking braindead bro

>>9969813
No, Apple is objectively overrated shit, Samsung make better phones. But Apple has the most cultists.

Hololive = Apple, overrated product

>>9969614
No one is "defending" them, you fucking idiot. It's a thread about fucking numbers, so we point out which ones are getting the numbers at any given point in time, and you fucking schizos extrapolate that we're "defending" them because you assume everyone is a fucking retarded, single IQ tribalfag like you. The only thing we can tell from numbers is how much people are interested in that specific Vtuber; You schizos though, will try and manipulate, ignore and use certain numbers in certain ways to do the most pointless and stupid kind of debate there can be, which is debate over personal preferences of media.

>>9969813
You're talking to someone who will literally suck Jeff bezo's dick if it can be somehow used to shit on hololive, the sooner you understand that the better

>>9969843
holoEN is dead, cope more. Even Sodapoppin does better.

>>9969614
Its funny seeing you morons defend 6 shitty EN vtubers because “talent” (Apex and saviorfagging).

>>9969784
Sana is an artist that doesn't draw

What are the talents of NijiEN? List them.

Example: Sana is an artist, what is Finana?

>>9969572
But Baelz can speak Japanese !!!111eleven!one1!

>>9969896
see, rent free. you won't even admit EN2 is garbage because "more viewers than nijisanji"

plenty of people watch shit on twitch/youtube, believe it or not. e-thots get more views than EN2.

>>9969844
Cope

>>9969885
>his live views are probably bigger than NijiEN vod views
I can see why you're so mad. sorry I called a nigger

>>9969917
She is doing a serious drawing stream soon. You also deflected away from the question. What are NijiEN talents? List them.

Why the fuck are you in the numbers thread if you're just gonna talk about "talent" and "quality" and not numbers?

Mods should just ban this kind of thread permanently, it's literally impossible to talk about numbers when there are so many retarded tribalfags from both hololive and nijisanji trying to use the numbers to shitpost.

>>9969938
Kiara already took that spot light, not to mention whole ID 2.

>>9969955
that just means even garbage beats nijiEN, the rest is cope

>>9970022
A lack of talents for NijiEN, likely explains their lack of numbers.

>>9969813
>Gura is most popular chuuba
>4chan goes on overdrive whenever she streams
>defends Gura from shitposts
Nah, 4chan also engages in the hivemind of supporting popular things blindly

>>9969924
They're all generalist streamers except Selen who is FPS (really just Apex) specialized. Bae, Kronii, and Mumei are generalists too. Even Sana, an artist by trade, isn't really presenting herself as an "art streamer".

>>9969885
>sodapoppin schizo
I thought you were dead

What a horrible night to post in numbers

>>9970045
so you'll willingly eat shit because it's slightly less shit? brilliant.

>>9970034
Welcome to 4chan, newfag.

>>9970034
Then give me the number of other companies/indie. Can they pull enough numbers compared to holo and niji? Anyway overall the sub count accumulation speed is declining, the whole industry is going down soon.

>>9970034
Pst, kid. I heard you want to talk about numbers? >>9967485

>The EN2 hater is seething AGAIN
Fuck you for using NijiEN as your ammo nigger, i still remember your thread comparing sana number and selen kanae collab. You fuck don't even watched any of them.

>>9970091
>They're all generalist streamers except Selen who is FPS
Could that explain why all the other NijiEN are lower in numbers? Because they have nothing to offer?

>>9970034
This is a containment thread, these people would be doing it in the main Hololive and NijiEN threads (they still do but not as much) without this thread.

>>9969924
NijiEN are actually entertaining and talented because they don't have a wellknown branding. HoloEN are lazy whores who can just coast through their Vtuber careers because all their JP senpais actually changed the Vtubing scene

>>9970107
kinda sad my favorite thread turned into samefagging-shithole of /vt/

>>9970110
>slightly less
anon 20k > 1k

>>9970159
>NijiEN are actually entertaining
That’s subjective
>and talented
List them

>>9970152
Yes the Apex thing is what puts Selen over, her non-Apex stuff falls squarely in the average of what the other 5 get.

>>9970110
yea, all vtubers are shit, you just have to eat the least shitty one

>>9970091
the only standout is Selen and it clearly shows

>>9967881
Why are you so mad that NijiEN is a failure that is struggling to get viewers? I guess their "talent" and "chemistry" that you nijifags talk about all the time isn't worth shit.

>>9969924
A horny thot. Thats what Nijiniggers call talent.

>>9970179
I'm just going to head to the other thread until pomunigger goes to bed, you coming with?

>>9970197
baby shark buff. everyone knows going for the kiddy audience on youtube is the easiest way to get numbers.

How to kill Vshojo?
Start spreading clip's compilations of them doing "inappropriate" things while playing games so that will start to be annoying to IP owners

>>9970197
Damn NijiEN can actually pull numbers >1k, impressive.

>>9970329
Pomu-poster stays mad for days.

>>9969924
>what is Finana
she talks about sex and NTR you know, perfect for nijicucks

>>9969454
Oh shit! How come I never noticed that they grew so much, this is huge news!

God dang Niji stans are coming out in drove. Seriously, if y'all use that passion to watch NijiEN streams more often, they would n9t get that 1-2k median. Even newbies like Krpni, Fauna and Mumei are having much better viewership than their Niji "senpai"

Anywhere to see the list of Niji/holo subcounts and can sort them easily?

reminder that gura has the baby shark buff from little children and still can't get more viewers than pekora and kuzuha. sad.

>>9970371
There's already tons of clips like that around, no one cares. There's a whole stream of Snuffy being a weird ass furry while playing Spyro that's been diced up into like 25 different clips that all got popular.

>>9970481
no, they have like 20

>>9970329
yeah. this is already 2/3 day of samefags/shitposter's occupation. those lazy bitches cannt even come up with new "bait" after pyo's death

>>9970489
https://holo.poi.cat/youtube-channel

IDK if anyone has ever bothered to make one for Nijis.

>>9969784
You fail to understand that NijiEN has chemistry, they don't need "talent".

>>9970197
remember when shark got 100k for karaoke? what happened?

>Mori 2.9k waiting
>Baelz 4k waiting

>>9970273
Ask Sana, she will be below indies soon. Can't blame being boring on your skin color.

>>9970602
that's was really a good time, meanwhile I can't remember fishe break 10k post debut

>>9969924
They got the best chemistry, who cares about talent. Why do you think their fans are able to create the best copoium?

>>9970646
Fish doesn't have millions of subs, sure is weird how shark gains subs but their viewers decrease!

>>9970557
Damn, can't believe Pekora is already second in the list behind GUra, sasuga my oshi.

Also why is Nabi or Ayamy in the list?

>>9970489
Just a list on Playboard

>>9970571
>chemistry
this buzzword is pretty popular around here huh

>>9969784
Shitposter don't watch stream ofc, but if you need answer most of them only done stuff just like any other vtubers do, like singing. The only notable one is Selen fps skills and Petra piano but i don't expect you wanted serious answer anyway.

My advice to this thread is not to use nijisanji as an excuse for EN2 being shit. That is purely a scouting failure.

>>9970692
Hololive illustrators that are also vtubers are included on the list.

>>9970481
You are so mad you can't even type straight lol

>>9970704
*Just make a list on Playboard

>>9970713
Also Finana and Petra draws but only on hobby level thus their level are not really noteworthy

>>9970602
Recline and dead subs

>>9970705
It's the new FOTM coping mechanism. MUH CHEMISTRY!!

From the same jackasses that brought you MUH SOVL!!!

>>9970713
Petra plays piano? What kind of numbers does she get for that? I know Luna in Holo JP does that too but I've never watched her. Not sure if it's a buff or not.

>>9970726
They just had to choose 2 Aussies when they could get 2 EU girl. A french person would've been nice.

>>9970713
mad skilz

>>9970602
Susan happened

>>9969924
Selen: Artist, singer, apex predator
Pomu: Singer, speaks japanese
Elira: Singer, speaks japanese
Petra: Singer, plays the piano and can make arrangements, speaks japanese, can draw
Rosemi: Singer, speaks japanese, can draw
Finana: Singer

>>9970826
1.8k

>>9970826
~1.5k range
Don't press your luck though. She's not Luna tier on the piano. She feels like she has 3 months of practice in it and it sounds eh.

>>9970836
There are not many French vtubers, the most notable is that ecchi artist turned vtuber that's basically a Vshoujo type.

>>9970890
That's pretty good for her right? Not quite double her average but close.

>Open thread
>Tribalniggers arguing
Ahh, home.

>>9970836
I want British vtubers thank you, French are just not gonna make it.

>>9970873
Holy cope

>>9971002
This is the tribal niggers containment thread, the actual numbers thread is next door

>>9970869
Yet Pekora and Kuzuha are magically immune to Susan debuff. Weird!

>>9970903
At least her design is good unlike the usual twitchtuber vomit

>>9970873
Feesh can draw as well.

>>9970903
Any EU ones would've been fine, just to fill in that 1AM to 5AM JST timeslot where they can be comfortable. Saruei is a little bit eh for me, a drawer yes, but she doesn't seem to have any talents other than that. The vtuber thing was probably extra money for her.

NijiEN confirmed to be without talent, thereby explaining their lower numbers.

>>9970863
Wow 4.7K That's kinda sad for Hololive EN label

>>9971064
Retard.

So, who's gonna sub in for the daily SC guy? I wanted to do it, but I don't know how to sort vtubers on playboard. Today's top 3 is,

>Kagami 28k (3.0 model)
>Rushia 8k (Zatsu)
>Fuwa 6k (Kusoge? But somehow he got $2.8k after starting stream. Don't know what he did previously)

Jesus Bael Ado right off the bat?

>>9971072
Pekora was peaking at 60k a year ago

>>9970873
Rosemi also knows french, Selen knows korean/chinese, Petra knows chinese too. I think Fish is the only girl there that is not bilingual or trilingual.

Okay guys, there is a REAL number thread anyway. Anyone sick of this tribal shit can head there and leave this place for schizos.

>>9971279
holoEN didn't beat Fuwa? I thought Nijisanji was bad?

>>9971200
Stream just started retard, its already 7.5k and still rising.

>>9971512
>Chinese
oh no no no its a bug infestation

>>9971536
EN beats them any other day though so that's fine

>>9970873
>Singer
Any original songs released so far?

>>9971541
Wow you really loves EN2 and really mad right now it seems

>Sana
Nepotism hire. Shit personality, shit voice/accent, shit choice for games, astrology thot, bad model, etc. Her lower numbers are deserved. Being able to draw is not an excuse for all of this.

>Ceres
ASMR slut in an open relationship

>Mumei
Boring autist with no personality. Was only hired because she had 1m subs.

>Baelz
2view indie just like most of NijiEN. Ollie 2.0 who stans for a holostar.

>Kronii
Failed voice actor with gender identity issues

Holobronies will tell you this is good scouting lol.

>>9971609
But they dont?

https://youtu.be/I3Hzgbvd8hY
>1.6K
the absolute state of the gura killer

>>9971647
Yes, the ones they literally released day one as soon as they debuted.

>>9971723
Call me holobrony but I think these are bad choices. Plus some of them are roasties.

They should get more Germans on board.

>>9970957
>That's pretty good for her right?
correct

>>9971681
>get BTFO
>"y-you mad"

>>9971741
>SCs
>Moving Goalpost to a month old stream
Ah pardon me, didn't know you were that retard

Just don't scout streamers that will stream on jp prime time going up against the juggernauts that is holojp. I suspect the overseas viewers at this timeslot can understand jp and prefer to watch holojp so the pool of viewers for holoen in this time slot is super low. Holoen in jp prime time will always be second choice too.

>>9971863
Read the image that being posted you malding nigger, that isn't today numbers .

>>9971536
please no you guys can have kuzuha for shitposts isn't he enough already

Nijiniggers silent right now because Pomu's karaoke is getting mogged by a singing rat kek

>>9971723
>Failed voice actor with gender identity issues
pls never stop trying, haaton

Sana is going to have an unarchived first karaoke stream today, number predictions?

>>9971951
If she wasn't lying about being a metal singer in her past life, I'd give at least 3k

>>9971941
Haatons really are the worst fanbase huh.

>>9971541
>Numbernigger can't read only numbers

>>9971763
Stop spilling to other threads.
The retarded nijiniggers posting here are falseflaggers or mentally challenged and they aren't our responsibility.

>>9971894
he literally said "any other day", Fuwa had an entire month of streams above holoEN in the morning. But you didn't know that cause you are a tourist.

>>9972256
so you admit it's you, holofaggot. can you not shit up other threads?

>>9971941
Dude he said he doesn't hate Kronii just the Kronii Brony. Probably fighting with another Kronii fans
>message could not be loaded

>>9972367
I don't understand how you got to that conclusion from reading my post.

>>9972256
>nijiniggers
Pomu is very white, Sana is a nigger, you dumb nigger.

>>9971951
1 PM, should have the slot completely to herself. 5k?

>>9972573
Wasn't elira the nigger one?

>>9972256
>our
you don't speak for me you worthless SEA third worlder.

>>9972705
5 of them are Chinese Pomu is white.

Why is there another numbers threads with an Aqua thumbnail?

>>9972301
>Any other day
The frame should've been in this week or in this month. The topic of Fuwa had already been discussed to death last month. He's just gonna open a timeloop and anons would just argue with even farther streams just to beat one another. Fuwa got $5k today, but any other day in the past week had been EN.

>>9971765
>Petra
From 1k > 2k average CCV = 100% increase
>Gura
From 100k to 15k average = 85% decrease

Get fucked and get mogged chumfaggot. Gura is getting slayed by Petra

>>9972099
>>9972590
What the fuck, arent you guys lowballing her too much... unarchived streams usually are a big buff.

>>9973076
NIJICOPE

ah it's easy mogging

>>9973261
It's Sana. If anything, 3k is already a reach

>>9973320
b-but S0VL

>>9973320
HOLOMYTH KILLER THEY SAID

>>9973320
>annoying aussie bitch vs Pomu
you can have the aussie.

>>9973632
The cope is strong in this one.

>>9973762
hey, some people like shit, if you prefer shit then by all means, enjoy discount ollie.

>>9973320
Both were 2view indies in their past life, with Mint being significantly more popular. It's proof that the hololive brand boosts numbers regardless of the level of talent or entertainment.

>>9973076
LOL, that is some good copium, I'm glad you're finally using that fucking chemistry for something useful!

Boy the nijicope suddenly shot all the way up, I wonder what happened?

>>9974092
is 10k a lot? Kuzuha gets more than that in his waiting room.

>>9973969
Let's be honest here, the only reason cancer fairy is doing OK is because of the saviorfags.

>>9973632
>they say numbers don't matter, but they keep using numbers when it suits their narrative
>>9969289
>>9967635
>>9968732
>>9974140

>>9974205
>pic related is a boring whore with more viewers than Flare
I guess Flare is worse than the cringe rapper, right?

>>9973076
>random indie
from 2 CCV to 20 CCV=1000% increase
Corpos should all graduate then?

>>9974140
Hello KuzuCocksucker, how much of his juice did you drink today!?

>>9974140
So we are changing goalposts now ? Wasn't this between HoloEN and NijiEN.

>>9973969
Mint should've at least waited a bit before jumping onto the niji ship. Her mint character didn't last too long and she could've broke 500-1k views as an indie before auditioning as EN 2. Marica did just that thought her debut was after EN 1.

>>9974231
don't like numbers in the numbers thread?

>>9974140
kek the cope

You do understand 10k is a far stretch for like 95% of nijisanji, right?

most holoENs barely scrape 10k these days, and?

>>9974228
i dont know, i dont watch 5%

>>9974260
Pomu really loves Nijisanji, passing that up for a theoretical shot at EN2 many months later would have been tough.

>>9974457
im saying Flare is better than your cringe rap whore.
>but viewers!
lots of flies attracted to shit doesn't change that it's still shit.

>>9974491
She's also a huge idolfag and EN2 would have been her chance to become an idol herself like kiara

>>9974588
>i dont know, i dont watch 5%

>>9974605
>kiara
>idol
lol

so now that it's generally agreed that EN vtubing is dying, why isn't JP as affected? Pekora has barely dropped off.

>>9974140
Like clockwork

>>9974763
>it's generally agreed that EN vtubing is dying
lmao fuck off

>>9974856
>no! don't use the numbers that make my company look worse!
if you don't like Kuzuha, then be better than Kuzuha.

the combined might of new vtubers from the JP and EN branch

>2.5k

>>9975039
>no! don't use the numbers that make my company look worse!
>>9973320
if you don't like Bae, then be better than Bae.

>>9975039
already makes pomubros malding I'm satisfied

>>9975115
GURA KILLER LMAO

>>9975135
who is mad? at least Pomu can actually sing.

>>9975115
The two runts of their gens, lol

>>9975234
>Pomu can actually sing
lol

>RRAT 12k
Anon just told me EN2 got nijien tier numbers. Did nijien incline so hard that can get a 5 digit numbers? Holobronies ready to get fuck

>>9975433
better than your tone deaf aussie retard, faggot. go back.

she's so good you're shitposting here instead of listening to them "sing". faggot.

>Balez 12k
>thread slowed down
hmm

https://youtu.be/wyxSZhushjU
BAEL MAKES VTUBING GREAT AGAIN

>>9975463
>>9975513
Yeah. Really makes you think.

>>9975475
the absolute state of nijicope

>>9975475
You said that when Pomu is singing right now too.

>>9975475
>multitasking
nani?!

>>9975590
>nijicope
your fucking rat got 0 subs the other day and Selen got 2k. nice growth, holofaggot.

>>9975639
>>9974205

>>9975234
This is the numbers thread, not the jokes thread.

>>9975695
Jokes is the 1-2k/day sub growth from "holocouncil".

cope more for your failed branch, idiot.

>>9975463
Unless they were retarded or a shitposter, I don't think anyone really expects NijiEN to reach HoloEN numbers.

Just to shit on the nijicope, I want to ask it here: why hasn't Kuzuha's number fell after the yab?

>Nijifags do everything to shit on holos
Nice numbers thread faggot

>>9975639
>>9975736
>nijiniggers failing so bad they are back to banging on sub numbers now
THE ABSOLUTE STATE

>>9975780
The voices in my head said they would

>>9975475
Moona tier in singing but even then she gets 2.5k and moona got 6.5k kek

>>9975825
Don't worry about him, he's the same retard who posts the pomu koshien image