/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>Hana Flores graduation 08/15
https://youtube.com/channel/UCkvYfE6_lEmstu6GoqPUOZQ
>Marie indefinite hiatus 08/22 (+7)
https://youtube.com/c/FDMarie
>Shannon graduation 08/27 (+5)
https://youtube.com/c/LemonTeaBloops
>Lyrica graduation 09/03 (+7)
https://youtube.com/c/LyricaCh
This is the NijiEN wave 3 lineup, most likely to be announced officially tonight.
Let's speculate about what wave 3 will bring for what might be the last time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901102
They will be the HoloMyth killers and bring NIJIEN to their rightful place as the number 1 EN Vtubing agency.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901163
I want a Gura kisser instead of Gura killer

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901163
Okay, let me reiterate, let's speculate in a way that isn't obviously baiting for "Gura killer" tier shitposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901102
Ah shit, here we go again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901102
They are not going to change the EN meta. Wait for wave 4 instead. It has male chuubas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901227
"Gura killer" is so 2021. All advanced anons are thinking ahead and are already in 2022.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901102
Flores was meant to be Ceres FFS, I'm not ready for her getting mogged to death by wosemi and selen

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901102
>2 cunnies
Yep im thinking BASED.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901223
This. Gura needs a good fucking

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901315
Don't get your hopes up, anon. She is the most unstable prediction out of 4. We would be able to make more accurate prediction after hearing their voices in debut teaser and seeing their tweets before debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901102
GURA KILLER

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901102
it sure looks like a pile of ESL shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901501
Oh but it is. Lyrica and her nepotistic ass are gonna bring a bunch of flips to the general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901102
I don't know enough to speculate but cheers! The more the merrier!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901501
I mean tbf you just described the majority of EN chuubas and fans.

[Anonymous No.]

If I was Hana I'd be delighted that so many people wanted me in Hololive and Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

Of course all those "gura killer" mentions are made by falseflagging holobronies.
But I always wondered, how would we know when someone actually killed gura? Like what is the main criteria?
I think that overtaking gura in sub count is really dumb criteria, because if chuuba has millions of subs, but has constant 3-digit viewers is pretty much dead to me.
We could take a peak amount of viewers during their entire chuuba lifetime. But this criteria has the same flaw - chuuba can have one huge stream in their lifetime, and then recline into nothing.
So, the main criteria would be an average amount of concurrent viewers over some period of time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901729
She seems like the most dodgy pick out of the four speculated in the OP for sure. Followed by Marie.

[Anonymous No.]

Hana Flores is french, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901729
LOL. Basically this.

The idea that people felt she was a big fish in a small pond must be an honour to her if she's read any of the speculation. We know from her graduation that she's left to pursue new horizons but the timing of her announcement (she technically graduated on August 15 but didn't actually stop making content until August 24) makes her the most nebulous.

She IS a professionally trained Opera singer, though. The only other people with that level of control I can think of are Machita Chima and Ironmouse, making her talent a real rarity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901299
Take your meds anon.

[Anonymous No.]

So will Pomu molest them first or will Rosemi finally activate the instincts all her ossan encounters have trained her for and go after the little girls?
We know how it will go with Elira if Wave 4 has any shotas in it, and even they won't be safe if any are in Pomu's strike range, but this one is in question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>>Lyrica
That bitch should stick to NijiID where she belongs

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902067
But he's right. It was announced officially.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902004
Isn't Chima self-thought?
And I think that Ironmouse didn't do it for a long time. At least, when I heard her opera, she sounded very rusty, and far behind Hana and Chima in terms of clarity and control.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902004
Tokino Sora is classically trained but for some retarded reason sings in her idol voice. Her idol voice is way below her classical chops.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902110
>Flip
>Nijisanji Indonesia

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902110
Why do you hate Lyrica though? She's a memer except its flip and SEA memes rather than western memes, she's entertaining in zatsus as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902158
>Selamat pagi
>Salamat po
Literally the same language. No different than Mandarin is from Cantonese

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902120
>change the en meta

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902110
>burger
>doesn't know geography
Name a more iconic duo

[Anonymous No.]

Bros, how do we keep them off of 4chan? I'm sick of debuts happening, someone ego searching here, and then getting bummed the hell out. /vt/ should have a strict "No vtubers allowed" policy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902141
Yes you're right. I suppose 'Of a professional Opera level' is more appropriate given scouts have tried to get her on board.

Hana is nerfed by a shit mic which can be fixed with a few Superchats. Ironmouse might've been rusty but it was still very obvious the talent is still there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902241
That's impossible. And even if /vt/ didn't exist they would still egosa on twitter

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902229
I mean just the fact that big corpo EN males exist will change the game, whether they're successful or not. Crappy male indies will have a goal to aspire to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901751
They would need to maintain numbers and growth similar to what she had at the beginning. You would also need all the e-celebs on Youtube and Twitch to try and worm their way into collabing with them during said growth. Also tons of Gura's viewers would need to jump ship to the new person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901387
>and seeing their tweets before debut.
You mean to tell me I should fall for the green heart emoji posts for a second time?

[Anonymous No.]

Which one is Artia

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902147
...Idols in an idol industry doesn't sing classical or opera normally, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902524
>maintain numbers and growth similar to what she had at the beginning
But isn't it really necessary, since she herself doesn't have these numbers anymore?
Let's take a hypothetical situation. Gura reclined a bit and is at 10k-15k average viewers. "Gura killer" is at 25k-30k, which is much more than her current viewers, but still less then her viewers when she just started. Does this situation count as "killing Gura"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902098
Pomu will much on their rugs until they are her loyal, personal munching rugs, just as she has done with all current members of NijiEN.
And nah, wave 4 will actually be a secondary wave that will pair up with wave 3 just like Obsydia did with Lazulight and they will all be girls too as Pomu runs around trying to find girls that can do good male voices so that she can have them play as babinikus in the next wave, to trick the fans into thinking there are males in NijiEN while in reality it remains clean of dirty, ugly males.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901751
Gura will never happen again.

I recall reading some Niji posts on 5ch huffing hopium about getting their own Same-chan but even they thought it was completely impossible. Gura killer is meaningless there as it is here, I rarely use it used seriously

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902532
I doubt they would be so obvious, but anons could try to deduce their personalities from their posts. Also chuubas could reveal their hobbies/languages in their first tweets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902806
/vt/ got 4/5 of council before they debuted. /vt/ has been 5/6 on NijiEN so far. I kinda trust the people here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902805
I think its more accurate to say HoloMyth will never happen again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902735
>25k-30k
Becoming the most watched vtuber in the world would make her an "everyone killer" anon. If she's beating Gura after the debut shines wears off and keeps it up for a while then yes, Gura is killed. I think it is pretty much impossible, we aren't seeing those numbers again.

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>>10902806
Oh yeah because they have been so discreet about getting into NijiEN, this girls clearly want to keep their fans and have made plenty of hints before for that, doubt they would try to be secretive now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902735
No. Not unless they can consistently generate her views, beat her ccv for events, beat her records for views on covers/music.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902849
It's also worth remembering that the one NijiEN they missed was because she was a Bilibili chuuba AND retired like 2 years ago. No one could've predicted that.
So there's a chance that one or even two of them will be completely off the wall picks (or complete nobodies, as Niji sometimes gets), but I think concentrated autism can find at least half of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902524
>You would also need all the e-celebs on Youtube and Twitch to try and worm their way into collabing with them during said growth.
This. The hypothetical Gura killer would have to have strong connections with the top Twitch streamers. A monster like this would appeal to the lowest common denominator. They would have very little affliation with otaku culture. In otherwords, it would be pure cancer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902946
The NijiEN strategy is this, stock up on good and safe picks but take one flier. Mint and Nova are safe picks, Finana was a flier. Doki and Miki were safe picks, Petra was a flier. I expect 3 good picks and another flier. Flier doesn't mean bad, it means a risk. I think it has paid off for the most part but some would disagree with me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902805
If you really read my post, you would understand that by "gura killer" I meant not someone who repeats Gura's growth, but someone whose growth, combined with Gura's (hypothetical) recline would become more engaging and popular than Gura.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903018
Nah Dokibird was the outlier, she had the loud and bombastic personality and the least subscribers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901501
Show me 1 (one) company that isn't full of "ESL shit"

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901838
Marie can't keep a secret to save her life. Like pic related. Girl, you have been on indefinite hiatus for over a month...

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902849
>/vt/ got 4/5 of council before they debuted
Wait, really?
As far, as I remember, they got like 2 or 3.
Or are you counting every candidate /vt/ named? If that so, I think that doesn't count, because at the moment of debut, anons have to have only n candidates, where n is a number of debutants. Otherwise /vt/ can name literally every chuuba on a planet (or even every content maker) and claim that they got all right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903036
More engaging isn't hard, more popular is. This unicorn, for lack of a better word, would need the Youtube algorithm magic. Unless there is a second boom it's not happening.

>>10903235
Seru, Ina's friend, Shachi, and lemon was the consensus. You only got people on the denial train for two of them and hoping for anyone else for REDACTED reasons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903235
They got Lazulight 3 for 3. First 3 graduations that were speculated to be NijiEN candidates were Ryuusei Nova, Maid Mint and Yui Shirogane. Then it was Miki and Dokibird... only one that was wrong was Shachi and well, we know where she ended up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903332
Disregard that I suck cocks and misread your post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903297
>Seru, Ina's friend, Shachi, and lemon was the consensus
I remember that only Ina's friend and Shachi were more or less the consensus. Others were mentioned only a couple of times. I never seen a concrete list, like current NijiEn3 preliminary list.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903081
Bilingual and ESL are considered two different things. By that standard, Hololive doesn't really have many ESL's. 2?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903235
It's true. People guessed Seru and Shachi straight away. They found Lemon and whoever the fuck Baelz later on but before their debut. The only one that took some work was Kronii.

/vt/ also got Elira, Pomu, Finana, Rosemi, and Selen before debut. 9/11 is a pretty respectable schizo score to trust some Wave 3 calls.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone want to speculate numbers for debuts? Very few Hololive streams on Friday night. I think NijiEN has grown well. Petra's high water mark is about 15.5k. I'm thinking 18k.

>>10903533
Seru was the first to be confirmed. We weren't even given a chance to speculate. lemon was known since her menhera friend or someone close straight up told us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903069
Dokibird was an active vtuber. And had been mentioned in loads of prediction threads. No one guessed Petra, that is way more out of the left field

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903550
>The only one that took some work was Kronii.
No it didn't, it took like no work. Bae took the longest and we didn't know her until after she debuted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901163
Thank you Councilfag. Now Chumpedos will never stop shitposting when Wave 3 inevitably only gets to 150K subscribers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902228
Please understand, maps are too difficult for bronies to comprehend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903550
I got curious and looked into archives. Anons weren't able to decide between Lemon and Hana and only gave concrete answer 7 minutes after her debut stream started. So she doesn't count. I haven't looked for Baelz's one, but I think that her situation is the same.

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>>10903638
People figured out who Kronii was days before because of some twitter posts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903638
Not true at all. People figured out Sana and Baelz before debut due to the times they were active because they were on Australian timezones (Baelz was asleep and the last to respond when Hololive announced the debut delay).

Her last life was floating around here and on the farms before her debut 100%. Kronii was the issue because they couldn't tell if it was another Ina artist friend or some rando fucking commission-based Adult ASMR creator on Patreon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901560
Nothing wrong with Filipinos. There is something wrong with racist assholes like you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903599
>Anyone want to speculate numbers for debuts?
Definitely more than previous debut. That one thing I can say for sure. Probably 20%-30% more than previous numbers, but could be lower, because they killed hype with their prank on karaoke stream. Also, if it really happening on this friday, Holo's secret event could interfere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903332
No one had Fish's prediction down, her PL was essentially a vtweeter

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903948
There is no secret event

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903948
I don't think they killed the hype with the karaoke at all.

I wonder if this will get an unfair response from Niji fans who really think this will have a male in it though. Like there are plenty of people who forgot that Wave 3 came with premade characters and think the men will be there.

[Anonymous No.]

>hiring a flip

[Anonymous No.]

>>10904060
What about their schedule then? I am sorry if they already mentioned that, I am not really following Holo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903948
Depends on how much they'll tease about the livers pre debut. The precedent has been to let them read a few cringy lines of lore beforehand, if it can be assured through those teasers who they're speculated to be, they will undoubtedly top Obsydia due to their sheer PL presence

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>>10904092
That's a vocal minority. I don't think anyone cares that much about the male aspect when there are males right around the corner. No one but shitposters will hold it against whoever is in. I still think they should have done a mixed wave though.

I will never watch though, a dude pretending to be an anime character is just too much for me. Like fuck off dude. Guys are only fine in collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10904041
Yeah we did, she was literally in the image that was getting posted everywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10904041
People here already knew she was in NijiEN since she tweeted about applying to NijiEN and graduated at around the same time as Mint and Nova.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10904092
Their auditions for wave 3 literally showed 4 premade female characters and their intent to hire those that match up for it. I doubt any Niji-fan is expecting males in this wave aside from a landslide surprise

[Anonymous No.]

>>10904145
Its just a collab between Gura and Mumei.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903233
dude she can say whatever she wants because she didnt "graduate" and ended her activities cause she's not a vtuber. She never retired as MarieFD and thats why she's the only one of those obvious 3 that still uses her twitter and hasnt deleted or privated stuff. She's a singer, an utaite. Even freaking Rib took a 1 year hiatus cause of his vocal chords.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903599
Set expectations low. Obsydia didn't break Elira's debut numbers and even if NijiEN has grown, they're never gotten even close to their debut numbers. I'll guess 10k-12k average between all of them, and 15k peak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10904092
>>10904278
Plus the male audition said it would be a separate wave, and the girls have always talked about it as one. I don't think anyone's actually expecting anything but the 4 designs that were previewed (and I'm half expecting one or two of them to be gone too, it's happened before)

[Anonymous No.]

>>10904302
She graduated from her V-Tuber model on Twitch and went on Indefinite Hiatus on YouTube. Shannon did the exact same thing.

Shannon locked her Twitter and wiped everything on Twitch though. It's possible that the reason MarieFD is still active is because she's already such a massive Niji simp that her suddenly going dark would be more suspicious than what she's doing now. Shannon gets away with it because she wasn't as actively close to any of them.

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>>10904442
Aim for the stars and hit the moon. I think 20k is very possible with the current growth and there being nothing else on that night. Obsydia didn't carnivalize numbers, they only grew from fresh audiences. Those new audiences will come together. 20k is not out of this world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10904092
Doub it, it was pretty clear that the males would be coming in wave 4 (if that) even Pomu said that wave 3 would be more girls and wave 4 would bring the boys and everything pointed to Anycolor leaving the males for last.
>>10904255
>I still think they should have done a mixed wave though.
Agreed, the fact that they left males out of the first, and would be face of the branch, wave completely and from the second and third ones and instead left them for dead last was really dissapointing and will only make things much worse/harder for the poor lads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10904442
I'll be generous and claim a peak of over 20k. Now screenshot this shit!
The reasons are:
1. Bigger time interval;
2. Constant exposure of 6 chuubas is bigger than constant exposure of 3 chuubas;
3. Selen;
4. Wave 3 relatively big names;
5. Collabs with many big names between En2 and En3.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10904514
Both Lyrica and Shannon had something they could throw away since something bigger was waiting for them in Nijisanji.
Deleting an 8 year old twitter and 160k subs youtube channel is not that easy. That's why she hid the whole thing as "hiatus" = Marie is not dead, I'll come back. It's not like she tweets to kanae every single day and thats why she won't delete her twitter. Even her patreon is up there, it's just inactive. She could not bring herself to delete it.
She's obviously going to niji, but just explaining what might have gone through her head.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10904514
Yeah, but we're also expecting 2 more uploads from her as MarieFD. She said so in every announcement and in her graduation stream. They'll probably come out after she debuted on nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10904886
is that even allowed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10904949
I guess so. There are plenty corpo vtubers that are still active as their roomates. If she made it that far, she must have already asked for permission and gotten a yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10904949
Plenty of examples in Niji

[Anonymous No.]

>>10904886
If we can expect two more uploads can we really call it an indefinite hiatus?

What's the likelihood she's reworking them as her Niji covers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10905106
I dont think she's reworking them as niji covers. If she was she wouldn't have even announced to expect 2 more works from her. She would have just shut up and release them as a niji. I think she meant she would release her last 2 covers as MarieFD and end it there and truly go into that indefinite hiatus.
My guess is she had already done quite some work on them, enough for it to be impossible to be remade under nijisanji so she had to upload them as marie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10904621
I don't think it will happen but I don't want a case where the males are stuck in Siberia. I admit that I prefer Hololive(JP) to most of anything but I would rather Nijisanji plays to it's strengths. What works in Japan can work in the west.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10904886
okay this makes more sense as of why she's the only one still alive on her twitter

[Anonymous No.]

>>10905106
Maybe nijisanji asked them to still make a hiatus announcement so they wouldnt expect more future works from them since they'd be 100% under nijisanji. That's why the hiatus announcement mixed up with already planned covers? How do corpo work anyways?

[Anonymous No.]

Finally some Niji Rimworld. Hopefully, they'll do better than Holo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10905348
thats not a high bar to cross...

[Anonymous No.]

>>10905405
Yeah but I'm not a tribalfag who thinks one is better than the other by default. All vtubers are retarded so I'm expecting shitty gameplay regardless.

Even if the gameplay is better, it's likely still gonna be modless. Fucking jap corpo bs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901102
Are these all ESLs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10905462
Pretty sure Hana isn't ESL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903297
>>10903550
> Seru
Her name was thrown alongside dozen others including her colleagues since her company was going under. >>7745715

> Ina's friend
No one figured out who would be the artist until the PV was dropped.

> Shachi
Oh hey, if she's not in Niji, she'll be in Holo, right? Or maybe next Niji wave? Her name was spammed every time there's a debut tease hoping that she'd show up eventually.

> lemon
Same as Seru.

EN Predictions:
- This is after Wave 2:
>>6527565
- This is one month before EN2 debut:
>>6664536
>>6805780
- Three weeks before EN2 debut:
>>7406102
- One week before EN2 debut:
>>7970996

You can see how /vt/ just threw everything and without any detailed reasoning. Unless you want to count Shachi spams, /vt/ didn't dare to give five names for the Council seriously. No one had a flawless call until the debut relay was over.

Look at this thread, four of them are already determined. /vt/'s takes on niji waves are pretty solid. Holo is just a black box.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10905615
Hell everyone swore Flores or whatever the fuck her name was would be in for the longest time until debut happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10904632
Counterpoint. Nijis current median views is at <2k. A full NijiEn collab that had everyone in it barely scraped over 8k. And as per the autist from /#/ NijiEn is currently stagnating in viewership. Sana, the runt of HoloEn, has double the viewership of Selen. Will viewership for their debuts increase? I predict only slightly. This is the 3rd debut in the span of possibly 8-9 months. Also, no males so there isn't a novelty factor either so the event feel isn't there or at the very least lessened. Best case scenario would be the last member to debut just barely getting past 20k. And trust me that them getting 20k is still good. We've all seen what non-holo debuts look like numbers wise. Hololive has warped our understanding of what high numbers look like. So I get why people here can just throw out 20k so casually without realizing how hard getting that number actually is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901102
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTl0uyKFsNTm78nt_Yp_D8it7M6RU6kzvBiINmjjx9yMUavXJk6SoUn0Vd8ZKi5uOm6PaoBFKaPT7B_/pub

[Anonymous No.]

>>10906240
holy autism

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903902
found the flip

[Anonymous No.]

No offense meant. I am a southern californian, and I really dislike mexicans. Having a mexican vtuber is kind of a problem for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10905798
Nice counterpoint, but unfortunately you are quite wrong.
You can take HoloEN as an example - their median views didn't increase during entire year, but HoloEn2 debut had about 30% more viewers than HoloEn1 debut. You just simply cannot judge the growth of entire branch by individual members, it's foolish to assume that they all share the same viewers.
>And trust me that them getting 20k is still good
I didn't say that they would go far beyond 20k. I give maximum of 25k under the best possible conditions - good debut advertisement, no interference from Niji and HoloEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10906389
Good thing none of the candidates are mexican then

[Anonymous No.]

>>10906389
cool
no one is mexican in there

[Anonymous No.]

>>10906389
The one who gets called a "spic" is like, Columbian or some shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>10906900
Those filters killed my eyes, thanks anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>10906900
but can she die if i pull out the hat?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10906921
Sorry dawg, wanted 2 see the kawaii as greatly as possible

[Anonymous No.]

>>10906960
you just suck ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>10906827
but that's even worse

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903902
Go back to yourshit hole, reddit faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>10907009
Who cares bro, the girl is completely harmless and inoffensive. Her fanbase will probably suck, but it's not her fault.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10906410
You also have to account for all the other factors though
>Myth was the first EN branch from either of the Big 2 to debut. And no, changing HoloIN to EN not only doesn't count but is arguably one of the dumbest moves that anykara has done.
>No one knew what to expect from HoloEN 1. There was a not so small contingent in /jp/ who thought that an EN branch would not work or just be barely above ID-tier. That was how low expectations were for EN 1.
>Council was the first full EN gen to debut after the success of myth. I'd even say that their debuts were debuffed due to IRyS debuting just a month prior, the scuffed reveal and the reschedule to a worse date. All of them would have probably broken 6 digit CCV if not for all of that shit.
>Nijisanji is not Hololive. HoloENs debut numbers do not correlate to NijiEn because if they did then Lazulight or Obsydia would have gotten HoloID debut numbers minimum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10907009
nobody gives a fuck about the country of the girl behind the vtuber

[Anonymous No.]

>>10907149
/vt/ does

[Anonymous No.]

>>10907180
so nobody then

[Anonymous No.]

>>10907149
Everyone would if they found a north korean

[Anonymous No.]

>>10907318
If they're a member of government maybe, most North Koreans are just victims under an oppressive regime. They don't even believe in it, they risk their lives to watch American sitcoms in the privacy of their own homes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10903550
>Guessed Seru straight away
>The only one that took some work was Kronii.
?

[Anonymous No.]

Some I can see but would you really give up a 100k+ sub channel to join a corp one where your number should be the same?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902192
Philippinos are just island westerners larping as asians

[Anonymous No.]

>>10907205
>by far the most active english vtuber discussion forum
>nobody
you bitter, self loathing types are really weird.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10904279
Mori also has a ??? slot scheduled on the 8th

[Anonymous No.]

>>10905439
>No RJW
Worthless

[Anonymous No.]

>>10907423
Senzawa abandoned a channel that had nearly a million.
Remember that HoloEN was a gamble. There was no guarantee that she'd ever reach that number again, let alone surpass it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10907318
>North Korea escapee chuuba telling stories just vague enough to leave it ambiguous exactly where she's from
Sounds based to me

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>>10901102
It doesn't matter who they get because they will still be barely above 2view tier. The Nijisanji brand is toxic outside of Japan.

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>>10907423
Lyrica took a year and a graduation announcement to hit 100K. Even if she's slower than Rosemi, it'll still take her about a month to hit the same numbers. Not to mention the other stuff that comes from being in Niji. Definitely worth.
The only downside would be if it became harder to collab with her friends in HoloID, but look who started talking to the NijiEN girls on twitter shortly before Lyrica's graduation.
Now, some of the ones anons think got in had even bigger numbers, but iirc they're "mild fame several years ago with the channel barely growing now", so even then it makes sense to hop over.
teal;deer even just going by numbers yeah, it makes sense

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>>10907729
Senzawa abandoned her channel because she was spiralling down into an alcoholic depression and wanted a new start. Her becoming even bigger than she was in her previous life was something that she didn't really expect or want. Most of the indies joining nowadays are doing so to get better numbers. And that's absolutely fine.

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>>10907423
thats what holofags were saying about marie but shes a huge nijisanji fan so...I don't judge her. Same numbers but with people she loves surrounding her. I guess she saw it as a gain

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>>10907978
HoloID will have no problem collabing with NijiEN if Niji wants to collab with them. In fact, Im surprised Ollie and Selen haven't had an Apex collab yet.

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>>10907607
the % of their entire fanbase made out of /vt/ is ridiculously small

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>>10901102
MyHolo rejects? MyHolo rejects

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>>10908233
mywho?

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>>10908348
nijiwho?

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>>10908348
The only corporation that deserves being called black company in this board

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>>10908233
I'm more interested in this than I am NijiEN to be honest. NijiEN has shown that they just hire run of the mill 2view indies. MyHoloTV, even with the gen 2 yab proved they hired fantastic talent for that gen (Miori is great with Tsunderia and is a fantastic talent and the others reincarnated into wonderful roles). Then of course Lili herself is wonderful.

MyHoloTV > NijiEN

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>>10908370
The company you feel so insecure towards that you felt the need to shitpost in a thread about it

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>>10908530
Nah, that's C*ver. They literally throw their talents under the bus and send them to the basement room until they graduate.

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>>10908370
you poor boy fighting against one of the two giants of japan and international brands

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>>10908670
legit
imagine shilling a company in a thread of one of the most popular companies
that says how much attention they have kek

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>>10908721
>Japan
true
>International
Every single Nijisanji international expansion has been a catastrophic failure. They are barely above the EN start up orgs (Tsunderia, PRISM) when it comes to international presence.

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>>10901163
I mean, anything will be better than council. Not really a high bar.

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>>10908233
didn't that company have a bunch of vtubers graduating and practically leaving only one girl? lmao

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>>10907128
>Myth was the first EN branch from either of the Big 2 to debut.
Has nothing to do with our discussion.
>And no, changing HoloIN to EN not only doesn't count but is arguably one of the dumbest moves that anykara has done.
I believe you meant Niji. And by the way, I believe that this initiative comes from old IN management that was responsible to promoting Niji in the west at that time. I am really glad that they were axed and replaced by better ones, including one of the ex-NijiIn chuubas.
>No one knew what to expect from HoloEN 1.
Also nothing to do with our discussion. Heeelooo. Did you forget that the last thing we were discussing is a correlation between individual channel median viewers and audience of entire branch?
>Council was the first full EN gen to debut after the success of myth.
To be fair, the same thing can be said about Niji's 3'rd wave, because 1'st and 2'nd were from the same audition pool and can be considered as the same thing. And yes, Lazulight+Obsydia are also success in a way - they were able to gain a decent fanbase without pre-made western fanbase that HoloMyth had for their debut.
>Nijisanji is not Hololive
Anon, please find and quote at least a single place in my previous posts where I mentioned that Niji will be getting Holo's numbers. The biggest number I wrote was "mere" 25k in a perfect condition.

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>>10908803
You must be joking saying Tsunderia or PRISM are anywhere near the level of Nijisanji EN. I know EN is way below JP but those two other companies are way smaller

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>>10908233
NijiEN wannabes? NijiEN wannabe

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>>10908803
>They are barely above the EN start up orgs (Tsunderia, PRISM) when it comes to international presence.

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>>10908803
The PRIMS tranny with the most subs gets like 200 viewers on average.

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>>10908803
>Tsunderia
Bruh, their average viewers are literally 20-50 times less then NijiEn's.
I remind you that NijiEn's average viewers are only about 5 times less than HoloEn's at the moment.
So, if by your logic, Niji is barely above Tsunderia, then HoloEn is what? Practically the same with NijiEn?

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Nijisanji is more popular than hololive in Japan but Hololive destroys them outside but people tend to forget the two vtubing giants are Nijisanji and Hololive. Some comments over here are retarded bringing smaller companies

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>>10905202
Same, I don't think the NijiEN males will be in such a situation like that completely, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do end up being pretty isolated and left alone in NijiEN, and by the community and other non-Niji chuubas, what with being shoved into their own separate wave in a group where they are outnumbered pretty heavily by girls who have known each other for a long time and have had like a half year to connect and set up groups with each other, which I wouldn't be surprised if the boys struggled to fit in, especially if they get literal whos with no connection to the girls.
But hey, maybe things will go swimmingly for them, who knows honestly, but I'm not raising my hopes in the slightlest, not again.

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>>10909464
>Nijisanji is more popular than Hololive in Japan
People like to parrot this all the time but it isn't even remotely close to being true. Hololive beats them pretty badly in Japan as well.

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>>10908848
Okay, yeah, I think we're missing each other here. Let's try this again.
>You can take HoloEN as an example - their median views didn't increase during entire year, but HoloEn2 debut had about 30% more viewers than HoloEn1 debut.

Basically, if I understood your point correctly, You are using HoloEN as an example where despite their median views decreasing, Council's debut outperformed theirs by a full 30% so it's not to farfetched to think that this rule can apply to NijiEN too, is that right?
To counterpoint, the reason why I brought up all those other factors is to showcase that there were a lot of other things that needs to be considered as to why Council outperformed Myth's debut numbers. One thing, I want to highlight is that Hololive took almost an entire year to debut their next wave so anticipation was high compared to NijEN Wave 3 which will likely be coming in a mere 3-4 months after Obsydia debuted. There's barely any hype because we just got a new NijiEN wave not too long ago.

>You just simply cannot judge the growth of entire branch by individual members, it's foolish to assume that they all share the same viewers.

I agree with the fact that using an individual member as a way to make predictions isn't really smart, BUT I also used their full collabs too (8K full NijiEN collab). Assuming that this is roughly around the maximum current viewers that NijiEN has which accounting for viewer overlap checks out since almost all of them has an average median of <2k except Selen who has around 2.5k. Which means that even if you double their current max viewers, you wouldn't be scraping 20K. Again, getting to 20K is not an easy task. If this was Hololive I would throw all of that analysis away because you know that Holo's JP and International audience would show up. But Nijisanji's main audience (JP) seems to be averse to their international branches. Again though, this is just speculation based on whatever data we have which isn't exactly much since NijiEN is barely half a year old.

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>>10909816
>using average ccv as a measure of brand popularity
holy hell numberniggers are retarded.

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>>10909816
except if you look at the numbers that matter: Revenue and Profit. Ichikara mogs Hololive there. like it isn't even close.

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>>10908803
Why are tsunderia fags so cocky?
All Cyberlive talents absolutely mog in viewers and subs their 3rd gen and they debuted in the same month. They are literally carried by Miori and she is not even a homegrown talent.

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>>10909816
That's the biggest cope I've ever heard.
And about your picture:
1. About 50% of Holo viewers are not from Japan. Most likely more than 50%.
2. It's the average of all channels. That means niji's number gets drastically lowered by many lower tier channels. If you are not retard, you can easily conclude that this number doesn't illustrate popularity of agency at all.

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>>10906900
I hope this is Lyrica or Shannon because hearing the shit come out of their mouths coming out of this cuties lips would be hilarious

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>>10909816
Pekora, Marine, Miko, and Fubuki are carrying HoloJP on their backs, not just by numbers but the fact they actively promote themselves harder than the other members.
Without them, Nijisanji would've been the dominator while Hololive would've just been that company with the niche gaijin shark girl.

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>>10910026
Are you sure about that anon? I'm pretty sure Cover is already on par with Anykara based on 2020-2021 financial report. Or at least that's what I remember.

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>>10910176
Shannon is the most haglike, so she's probably the fox.

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>>10910055
>cope
Sounds like you are the one that is huffing the copium. NTA but he posted verifiable proof to back up his claim. You just made outlandish statements with no proof at all.

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>>10908803
>Tsunderia
Literally the only member worth watching after Kana left is Char and she barely streams.
PRISM you'd may have an argument.

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>>10910047
Tsunderia fags are among the most insufferable groups on this board. Every thread that is remotely related to EN vtubers have them bringing up their stagnating agency as some sort of highly respected entity (just because Tsunderia is on the older side) when pretty much every newer small EN agencies have mogged them in numbers and talent. Prism mogged them, Phase Connect mogged them, Kawaii mogged them, and now Cyberlive is gonna mog them too sooner rather than later.

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>>10901299
>They are not going to change the EN meta. Wait for wave 4 instead. It has male chuubas.
Thats true but its still an amazing lineup assuming all those girls made it to wave 3

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Artia's gonna be one of the girls 100%.
She has Hololive pedigree and famous for being the reason why English Vtubers exist. That's why she recently graduated just in time to join NijiEN wave 3. Not to mention how NijiEN is sympathetic to china with two members being from there.

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>>10910341
She'd just join the Chinese branch if anything.

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>>10910214
Miko barely does any promotion, she just streams a lot and at consistent times which gets her numbers. Aqua and Subaru are far more important from a promo standpoint.

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>>10910341
I actually hope this happens. As a Holofag who never wants these lame ass NijiEN girls near my Holo queens this would destroy any possibility of a collab between the two groups.

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>>10909816
If you would look at the ammount of revenue produced by both companies in japan and all the events plus numbers of venues given to nijisanji compared to hololive you'd know that they're more popular in Japan dude. It's useless to compare livestreaming numbers in a sphere like this

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>>10910341
She moved back to China, she isn't coming back Judasfags

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>>10910253
Yeah probably. Which was the one that was "Reserved" for someone (presumed to be Hana)?

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>>10910226
2021 only to get to the par of Anycolor doesn't sound like them beating their overall popularity in Japan bro

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>>10910446
>Its useless to compare live streaming numbers when 90% of their activity is live streaming
Interesting cope you have there

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>>10910426
what are you doing in this thread? LOL literal holofags are always spamming that annoying comment of rent free but I never find myself in their threads because Im simply not interested in hololive
The fuck are you doing here

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>>10910491
Ghost was reserved for Marie, anon. She's the one with the most and biggest connections plus numbers if anything

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>>10910584
Not really...if you checked the live events hosted in Japan hololive had like half the chair ammounts given to nijisanji. Kuzuha right now is going to host a birthday party (two actually, one in real and one online) and the whole package was even bigger than hololive concert. Same thing happened with light up tones concert and publicity all over shibuya.

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>>10908207
Oh yeah, sure. I just meant that they have to keep SOME kayfabe, and "we're going to collab with a new member of a group we've already interacted with" is more reasonable than "we're going to collab with someone we have absolutely no in-character connections to". Doesn't matter much, since anyone who knows HoloID well will know it's Lyrica, but still.

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>>10909978
>There's barely any hype
No, Holo's numbers didn't increase because of hype after 1 year. They increased because their audience increased. The same happened between NijiEn2 and NijiEn3, as described here: >>10904632
>To counterpoint, the reason why I brought up all those other factors
These factors explain HoloEn1, not HoloEn2.
>Your entire second paragraph
I don't even want to comment on that. It's quite stupid to try calculating branch audience by looking and their full collabs or adding up their median numbers. Judging by your logic, Lazulight's debut had to have 0 viewers because they didn't had any viewers yet.

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>>10910627
If it was Marie wouldn't she not have commissioned those two songs she's still working on as MarieFD? Plus Hana's situation with her being a part of the other company

That said ah I see so it was the ghost then

[Anonymous No.]

>>10910258
>Squeaking "cope" when being accused of cope.
Nice argument, anon.

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>>10910702
the songs have nothing to do. She might have been working on them even before applying or WHILE being recruited anon. Marie has ties with kanae from nijisanji JP and both lazulight and obsydia, and absolute bigger numbers than the usual. Without looking down on anyone since I love all the girls, if we talk about someone getting "the beneficial treatment" it would certainly be that girl

[Anonymous No.]

>>10910690
Risu was talking with Pomu and Elira since the start essentially, she knew them way before they were in NijiEN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgVd2d8GQiU

[Anonymous No.]

>>10910533
I actually got curious and searched the archives.

>Hololive net profit (2020/3~2021/3) : 1728M yen
>Nijisanji net profit (2020/3~2021/3): 32M yen

>>/vt/thread/S8017834#p8029541

So yeah, I actually remembered wrong. Cover actually made 54x more profit than Anykara. That was actually pretty shocking to revisit.

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>>10910811
net profit
As I said, Hololive is way more huge OUTSIDE of japan

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>>10910226
Cover posted it's 2020-2021 report. Anikara puts those a year later. So what you saw was Cover's 2021 numbers against Anikara's 2020 numbers.

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>>10910702
>two songs she's still working on as MarieFD
The songs were already released, a Black Out cover and some other song, both of which she posted to her Youtube after her "graduation".

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>>10910811
Nijisanji doesn't even has their 200-2021 numbers out, tribalfags can barely read. Also Enikara actually invests it's profit back into tech and other ventures, while Cover is just sitting on money waiting for it to be taxed because it's an incompetent company.

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>>10901102
The Overlords are here. Time for another vtuber boom.

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>>10910893
Sorry, it's not just incompetence, it's more that they grew way too fast to actually invest back that money and need to hire staff stat, even Ichikara experienced that back in 2018 and only became better after Nijireiji, now they have sustainable growth so it's easier to plan out investments

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>>10910692
>No, Holo's numbers didn't increase because of hype after 1 year. They increased because their audience increased. The same happened between NijiEn2 and NijiEn3

Increase in audience AND the fact that it took so long for Council to debut. I'm not saying that NijiEN is going to have LESS viewers, I just don't think that most of them will break 20k. Like I said, at best, the last debutant will be the one to get it but everyone else will hover around 16-19k

>It's quite stupid to try calculating branch audience by looking and their full collabs or adding up their median numbers. Judging by your logic, Lazulight's debut had to have 0 viewers because they didn't had any viewers yet.

Like I said, this is just speculation. We barely have any data for NijiEN because they're too new so I made due with whatever we had available. I could be wrong or you could be wrong. We won't know until debut.

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>>10910811
1. Lurk more, anon. Even in a thread you provided, anons wrote that Anikara will publish their 2020-2021 numbers in next year.
2. It's net profit. That means that Anikara spent more money on their livers and tech, while Cover's money went straight into Yagoo's pocket.

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>>10902350
>I mean just the fact that big corpo EN males exist will change the game, whether they're successful or not. Crappy male indies will have a goal to aspire to.
If Niji figures out and conquers the male EN chuuba market what's left for other companies? Nijisanji and Hololive will dominate Youtube. VShojo will continue dominate Twitch. What's left ? Chaturbate?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10911138
Sounds like cope Anon, Niji didn't exactly grow outside of Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10911052
Not really. They had the same financial model even before their growth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10910811
>>10910850
>>10910893
>>10911138

>B-b-b-but Niji makes more money than Cover.

The absolute cope in this thread

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>>10911089
>I just don't think that most of them will break 20k. Like I said, at best, the last debutant will be the one to get it but everyone else will hover around 16-19k
Well. I won't argue with you here, because I agree with those numbers.

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>>10911327
>B-b-b-but Niji makes more money than Cover.
They do. Even their 2019-2020 revenue mogged Holo's 2020-2021 revenue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10911327
have you been reading....Im just saying they're bigger in japan. If hololive is huge outside of course is completely understandable that they make more money wtf?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10911228
Bruh.
Please, stop seething, drink your copium, and go back.

[Anonymous No.]

Holofags are literal numberfags. They dont even know what "net profit" or investement means in the annual repport but just post a number LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>10911228
I know you're retarded, but can you at least try reading the post you want to reply before actually replying?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10911441
Wasn't 2019-2020 when they got the 20(?) mil investment from Sony? Actually, does anyone have numbers to Nijisanji's 2019-2020 financials? They are a publicly traded company so I imagine this should be available, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10911561
Lmao, I always enjoy laughing from them. And these uneducated filthy animals even have a nerve to show up in Niji related threads and spread their stupidity there. What a blasphemy!

[Anonymous No.]

Why are there so many holofags in a new nijisanji wave thread? Bro I don't even know whats going on in hololive because I simply dont care about the company. Imagine not enjoying the stuff you like cause you're always seeing how to shit on the other yard.
Hilarious even

[Anonymous No.]

>>10911228
You have to understand anon. Nijisanji being "bigger in Japan" is the last cope Nijiniggers have. Even that isn't even remotely close to being true if you look at any streaming/superchat metric (VOD views, CCV, superchats, Hololive crushes them). However they will grip onto that cope like their lives depend on it and will still parrot it even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10910811
To add context AnyC haven't dropped their financials for the year, quoting >>8033686,

>Current assets (the formal definition, look it up) = ¥3,067,349/$27.5m, a 352% increase. >Just slightly less than Ichikara in April 2020. Of that, $17.4m is money they have, $10.1m in outstanding sales.

>Outstanding Debt/Liabilities = $11.6m. A good sign that they've started spending. >Higher than Ichikara's was in April 2020. I wish they would put it more towards dev, but any spending is good.

>Capital Stock = $20.5m. Of that, $4.1m were from investments. They basically still have all of the $4.1m. Total profit since creation is $12.2m, up basically 1500%.

>Revenue = $53.2m. Expenditure = $37.2m. Cost of goods sold is $27.4m, rest is other expenditures. Profits for the year were $15.9m, but you can get that just by subtracting anyways.

>Either way, ball is in Ichikara's court when they drop theirs in 2022.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10911561
It's either trolls or complete retards.

Anyways, while we are talking about money if you look at recent SC earnings in HoloEN and NijiEN Hololive is barely getting more. NijiEN gets 70-80% of HoloEN SC numbers while having 10x less subs and like 5x less viewers.

What does this say about Hololive "fans"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10911467
>>10911530
>>10911561
>>10911607

>B-b-b-but my JapanYamatoDamashi popularity folded 1000x

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901102
>cunny

[Anonymous No.]

>>10902990
Cosplay E-Thot
thats creative
has a great accent/voice

[Anonymous No.]

By the way, I was the one, who posted this
>>10901245
among the first posts in this thread, because I predicted that this thread, like the previous one about new wave, will be flooded by retarded holobronies, eager to spoil everyone's mood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10911185
HoloEN is bleeding viewer retention. VShojo is set to overtake them in viewership by early next year. I would imagine NijiEN is starting to profit off of HoloEN and can soon start to break away and overtake them by this time next year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10911832
Kson going to NijiEN would be fucking kino.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10911737
imagine saying pekora is bigger than Mafumafu because while he fills the entire biggest stadium of Japan she gains more superchats LOL
we're in the same situation. Holofag please do yourself a favour and just be happy hololive is bigger outside and that's it

I also dont expect you to know who mafumafu is because you clearly are fucking lost in the japanes sphere

[Anonymous No.]

>>10911759
I'm sure they wont even bother to read this...they're that stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912059
Hey, if you didn't flood the board with endless spam for chuubas that barely get 1k viewership and stuck to your generals maybe this animosity wouldn't exist.

Constant Pomu thread spam for a chuuba that averages 1.4k in viewership.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901102
Oh shit after the cunny pengu failed to deliver now they get two more cunny in attempt to overthrow the true EN cunny Gura chan!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912241
This board is to talk about vtubers, not only hololive. The way your fragile happiness is threatened by having 10 generals about hololive and 2 about smaller existences says a lot holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912241
mhm because it's genuine fans that are starting those baitthreads bronies can't stop chewing at.
Think, anon, think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912068
Yeah. Coco bullshit and constant management autism is killing Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912241
Now count how many times anons spam holotrash and you'll discover why everyone fucking hates faggots like you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912241

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>>10912159
>fills the entire biggest stadium in Japan
you realize it was an empty stadium concert right?

Besides the standards for performance between the two isn't the same since they are in different fields. Vtubers are primarily live streamers and the act of live streaming on youtube is what makes up 99% of their content. Nijisanji filling a 3,000 seat stadium for some lame concert doesn't change the fact that Hololive completely destroys their live streaming numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912241
>>10912336
Literally just look at this thread. Holofags are constantly checking other threads despite being about "chuubas that barely get 1k viewership"

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912318
Not the same anon but even though I don't have anything against Pomu I do despise Pomuniggers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912241
>Noooo she gets 1k less viewers than Hololive so you're not allowed to talk about her
Holobronies have actually become a characature of themselves

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912159
>Mafumafu
His song buff can't save nijiEN tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912382
Sounds like the rest of the board with Hololive and holobronies

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912383
She's not having 1k less viewers anon kun, she's having 1k viewers
nijinigger really is retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912356
Thank you for proving that you know shit about the japanese sphere. Who many concerts do you think mafumafu and his friends have done and how many times have they filled that stadium? Bro they have done it way before the pandemic started.
Yeah and popularity in a country is not only measured by the numbers of a livestream that can be filled with world wide viewers. It's filled by presence both physical and online in that country ONLY. We're talking about events (numbers of chairs filled and given, number of sponsorships etc) of all kind not only livestreaming, invitations, physical sponshorship in the capital. Nijisanji has a stronger presence inside japan.

Just stop KEK

[Anonymous No.]

Another day another tribalfagging thread yet same fucking arguments thrown around.
Joy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912380
>checking other threads
read. shitting in other threads

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912483
are you the same anon that doesn't know how to read or just an average holofag?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912383
I guess we aren't having our Pippa threads or Beatani threads anymore anons... Their meager numbers don't qualify them to have a thread if 1k isn't enough...

[Anonymous No.]

>>10901102
Vampire, Witch, Kitsune, and… lighting and wind bird?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912536
yeah you need to check the thread so you can shit and reply on comments
what kind of logic...oh my god fighting with holofags is like fighting against a 5 year old kid. Amazing. I'll go watch a movie or something while I wait for wave 3

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912564
Just like Petra is the only non-fantasy creature in NijiEN kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912483
Do I need to start posting Kiara streams?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912502
mafumafu has never performed at the Tokyo Dome other than the online show he did earlier this year to am empty stadium. He specifically said he wishes to perform in front of a crowd there someday after the online show was over. Holy shit dude.

>Everything other than what they do for 99% of their activities matters
ok, is that why Nijisanji lost their Pacific League sponsorship to Hololive this year. Really makes you think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912514
>Let's speculate about what wave 3 will bring for what might be the last time.
>tribalfagging thread
Ogey.
Anon, it's not thread that's tribalfagging. It's holobronies who visit Niji thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912564
It's rejected genshin impact design, please understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912548
Thats the difference. You mostly stick to your generals while Nijiniggers spam the board with the dumbest bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912682
Pacific League never does the same collab twice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912751
Nobody is forcing you to read the thread brony

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912502
The biggest acts in Japan have trouble selling out the Tokyo Dome. If you think some relative nobody like mafumafu can do it you are insane. Like all the seats except for 3,000 would have to be sectioned off so they can claim it as a "sellout", lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10912751
So what you're saying is KFP's are the bottom of the barrel. They're the worst offender on a live viewership per thread basis you seem to be fond of.

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>>10912716
I mean that's what this thread is about now. How hard is it to not reply to shitposting?
Reminder that all of you comparing dicks here could have been doing literally anything else, giving the midget of your respective companies a chance, watching vods, watching clips, watching other chuubas outside the bubble you usually watch etc, but no you just had to reply to retards.

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>>10901102
Honestly I expect them to do pretty abysmally given the state and utter saturation of the current vtuber market guaranteeing HoloEN dies with council (at least until there's a bunch of graduations)

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The absolute state of /vt/ right now

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>>10912810
Well when decent threads are hitting the archives well before the bump limit because of 10 Pomu threads saying "I'M POMU" it becomes an issue. You are actual cancer.

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>>10912884
Yes

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>>10912682
>that why Nijisanji lost their Pacific League sponsorship to Hololive this year.
Lmao, he doesn't know. Good look looking for Holo in Pacific League next year.

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>>10912867
Yeah, it's not like he sold out another venue with an attendance of 35k just a year prior
Oh wait

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>>10912941
Only nijinigger does this, holo automatically wins on number

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>>10912068
Good luck waiting for next year, and when this prophecy failed good luck waiting for another year, nijiEN will never topple Hololive EN

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>>10913180
>FFXIV will never topple WoW

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>>10912975
Right now looked at current thread - only 1 Pomu general thread. And 5 Gura's rubbish threads. Hmm, interesting.

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>>10912975
And selen poster spamming hahahahaaahhahahahahaha, but still justified because she got 3k+ viewer

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>>10913264
It's okay because Gura has 5x Pomu's numbers though. In fact 70% of this board should be Gura.

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>>10913227
unlike Blizzard, Cover has proven itself anti-fragile when it comes to sexual misconduct within the company coming to light

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>>10913264
Of course, gura has like 200% of pomu viewers its bound to have more thread than pomu

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>>10912975
>10 Pomu threads
You mean 50 hololive threads, right?

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>>10912917
>How hard is it to not reply to shitposting?
Then don't fucking open this thread. If retarded holobronies would stop replying, thread will be free of shit.

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>>10913227
>green fish will never topple blue fish

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>>10913395
Good point.

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>>10913227
>what are trends
You just cited an example of trends failing. By that logic, the trend of hololive declining will fail at some moment.

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>>10910811
Same Anon here who did the archive digging. I literally just went to grab something to eat. What the fuck did you retards do here?!

>>10911759
Okay so based on this numbers.
>Anykara for 2019-2020 = 15.9 mil in net profit
>Cover roughly around the same amount
Is this right?

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>>10912975
You’re trying so hard and failing because of how retarded you are.

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>>10913323
>>10913402
Here is the main reason of thread spam. You are welcome, anons.

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>popular Utaite collabs with Nijisanji
Vt: are they even relevant?
>same Utaite collabs with Hololive
Vt: the best for Hololive

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>>10913323
>>10913402
Never seen a goal post get moved so frequently.

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>>10913522
>Is this right?
Do your reps, anon. You've made at least 3 mistakes in your numbers.

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>>10911780
>spouting bullshit
>not providing data from at least playboard
This is why the thread is so shit, nijinigger spreading lies

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>>10913808
Lies and cope are all Nijiniggers have left. Their company of choice has been constantly humiliated over and over again since the rise of Hololive.

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>>10913787
Okay? Care to spoonfeed me anon. Not exactly a business guy here.

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>>10913860
numbers say otherwise holofag kek.

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>>10903541
>Bilingual and ESL are considered two different things
kek

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Genuine question for the Hololive fans that see Nijisanji as the boogeyman why are you here rn? Honestly curious.

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>>10912241
>99% of the board is hololive
>this still isn't enough for holofags

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>>10912867
imagine saying Mafumafu is a literal nobody in japan
imagine saying that while being a vtuber fan
what else are you going to say? Kenshi Yonezu being unknown too? KEK embarassing

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>>10913808
>>10913860
He's right. Check Selen and Pomu's last 7 days sc revenue and compare it to Ame, Gura, Ina, Ceres, Baelz, etc. It might give you a good shook. Why holobronies expect to be spoonfed?

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Time to make another wave 3 thread to actually talk about them and leave the tribalfags here

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>>10914117
It's an easy way to elevate oneself with minimal effort. Since Holo has the largest number they are superior and are never wrong. By association the fans themselves are empowered with this divinity, and have every right to culture all others who disagree. At least by their logic.

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>>10908803
tsunderia and prism have less views than Niji ID and KR considering most of them are at least above 100 viewers.

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>>10913767
Well

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>>10914117
who the hell are all these people watching an anime dude play apex?

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>>10912564
From left to right: ghost, cat witch, bird, fox

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>>10914548
vtubing really is reclining in the west
thank god

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>>10913953
What numbers? Please do show them to me. Unless you are blowing it out of your ass again.

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>>10914548
>Vampire start streaming at early JP hours
Kuzuha really stay true to his character

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>>10901102
they are confirmed release today/tomorrow depending on timezone. the halloween wizard is lyrica. i have her model just to verify this more, she has this cute cat companion on her sholder that is black. the debut is 10/10. see you all tonight

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>>10912564
Application said "Blue Bird", but I think it's maybe meant to be a Valkyrie

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>>10913953
right now
~4.8k people watching NijiEN
~33.7k people watching HoloEN

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>>10915034
backstabbing lyrica friend then I guess.
Who are the others?

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>>10915287
it isnt backstabbing if in a few hours everyone is going to know and she is already speculated???

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>>10914367
mafumafu is a nobody in the grand scheme of things. Pekora on the other hand is the 2nd most watched female streamer in the entire world. I'd easily say that Pekora is bigger.

>Kenshi Yonezu
Literally who?

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>>10915431
Now THIS is good bait

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>>10915431
The absolute state of holobronies.

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>>10914690
who the hell are these pedos watching baby shark play block game?

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>>10915370
still backstabbing if its not official. Even more without her permission, fucker. Now that you were a shit friend, just spill the rest

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>>10915034
At this point I don't even care about pre-release leaks. Normally I would. But I'm just withholding my opinions until debut and judging them afterward. Council taught everyone a valuable lesson about expectations, so the right mindset for Niji 3 is "see what they do and take them as they are."

Following Hololive's flop of a second gen is unironically a buff, so long as the nijis give it their all, stick the landing and don't completely shit the bed. The only question is whether they'll be sufficiently entertaining in a packed market.

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>>10915431
Couldn't even get mad at this bait or even laugh at it like I usually do. This straight up made me feel pity for you LOL

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You fuckers have sold me hope that Hana is in this batch and will sing Phantom of the Opera in her debut stream.
I will be disappointed but I have enjoyed the fantasy.

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>>10915943
>will sing Phantom of the Opera in her debut stream.
Sorry bro, permissions.
Won't even happen in an unarchived karaoke, Niji's too careful to take the chance of getting a mid-stream DMCA

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>>10915943
I hope she does it, just because it would make this anon happy. The best vtubers play to and off of their audience. As a vtuber who I find to be more boring than watching paint dry, she could use the good PR of having a happy fanbase.

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>>10915895
Pity because I don't know who some irrelevant nips are? I have too many good Hololive streamers to watch to fill my mind with that garbage.

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>>10916242
LMAO at least look up Kenshi Yonezu before you make an ass of yourself.

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>>10908803
>Nijisanji international expansion has been a catastrophic failure
i see, you dont watch them right? if so, i understand. individual nijiID get around 500-100 view per stream but atleast they have big market in indonesia, they have been collabing with some local company. as for nijiKR atleast they have stable viewership. the only failure international niji is nijiIN that has been terminated last year

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>>10916242
>not knowing some of holo actually sing his song
a-anon.... i know you baiting but, dont go that low please, its for your sake

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>>10916669
KR isn't great, but considering the Korean audience actively dislikes vtubers (hell, they don't even like no-facecam streamers) they're doing alright.
And ultimately, the operating costs are low enough that just about any revenue past like, the first few months will be 90% profit, so it's only a problem if the market straight up doesn't exist rather than being small (as was the case with IN. They couldn't even get 3 chuubas, of course they won't get many viewers)

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>>10901501
yea I also wish english wasnt the lingua franca

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>>10907607
>he says that while there is 87 IPs here

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>>10902227
>Good morning
>Thank you
retard
captcha: SMH2A

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>>10904092
What if, male EN and ID debut around same time, because nijiID next wave Will be all male also (with ngl super handsome model that got spoil)

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>>10904778
sounds reasonable enough

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>>10904621
Maybe they just don't find anyone on their first audition? Anykara cant fuck up like they did 3 year ago and with the west being the toxic of internet i'm sure Its hard to find the match one, here hoping them to get ESL from Asian as nijiID male is not that bad honestly

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>>10910308
Numbers alone don't make a respectable company.

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Nice

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Looks like they made the announcement

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>>10919579
I have thought about that, but it's honestly pretty hard for me to believe that they couldn't find at least one decent guy for NijiEN, especially considering that they grabbed six (6) individuals in total from that same audition and it just so happenned that none were male, that and considering how they did the audition announcement they didn't show any design, made it separate to the wave 3 one, ended it later than that one, and left it for dead last, makes it feel like they weren't even planning on debuting males on NijiEN originally.

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so how accurate were the predictions?

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>>10901102
Please explain to me what both the audience and Lyrica herself get out of joining Nijisanji and her having to deal with restrictions and potentially having to cut ties with other Flip vtubers she collabed with?
just heard the voices, two already filter me

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>>10921419
I don't follow Hana, so not sure if she's in or not, but Shannon is Nina aka the fox, Lyrica is Millie aka the witch, and Marie is Reimu aka the ghost

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>>10902192
She could have been in HoloID ToT

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>>10921823
Is it better to be NijiEN? Or take the risk and be a dog in HoloID?

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>>10916987
Thank God some of Mr leech to Japan Language or English, because that what make them grow instead of stuck in kr while you own people hate you

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>>10920181
Thx for hyping me anon, they all so cute!!!

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>>10921626
lol damn. That's pretty amazing.
Part of me feel kind of relieved. I watched the graduation vods and felt kind of sad cuz I don't like seeing cute chuuba's cry.
But it's more bittersweet because they graduate to move into the next step of their life.

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>>10913953
>>10911780

Weird, numbers are showing me Niji EN (all 6) make about 40% of Holo EN's (all 10's) SCs Still impressive, but you're a liar

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>>10921626
3/4 is really good
pretty spot on