/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Something I just realized: removing the physical layer has allowed for an audience of men who appreciate the women for their talents, because there is no longer any physical layer to be judged.
From this comes the domination of women who've been involved in niche cultures but unable to achieve massive growth due to their lack of physically 'top' looks.
And from this comes the niche itself, including the worship of it's creators... This is why V-Tubers love cr1tikl (Mori), Jerma (nyanners), etc. Before the women who would rise to the top didnt have much in personality, just vapid whores or "normies" -- god I fucking hate that term -- desu. Now that the women rising to the top are more involved in niches you're seeing them take their previous simping with them -- this is massive because they know what it's like to be a fan, especially one who had no hope of actually even meeting their idols.

I think this is also why they're more easily able to relate to their fans. Sure, almost all women 'simp' for some top guys, have momentary crushes or whatever else, but these girls have seen the bottom and stayed there for varying long durations. How long does it take a conventionally attractive girl to get attention? Almost no time at all. How long has it taken Mori, Marine, Korone, Amelia, etc? Plenty of time to see life in a rough way. Add on that they know you're there for them, not worried or under the impression at all that you're there for their looks, and it creates a much stronger bond -- though I won't claim it's the same as a real friendship or anything like that, seek help if you're addicted to v-tubers.

What do you think? Agree? I dont care how autistic this all sounds, I've been unable to get much work or studying done due to Covid so I've just been watching v-tubers and thinking... trust me I would spend my time doing productive things if I could. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
Yes. That's the reason why we started to watch Vtubers. They are more real than any 3d whore on the internet

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
>trash taste
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5CjmHLUQQI

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146024
I think it's important to think about it and justify it, because there is plenty of actual degenerate cringe shit carried with us and actual loser simps have similiar justification to you. People like doxxers, simps, schizos, neets, incels, etc, have followed into this medium.

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>>1145860
Men wanna fuck the anime girl anon. Vtubing is bases on the fact that now we have anime girls that can talk back. Next step is AI so everyone will have a personalized oshi.

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>>1146224
Seek help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
All of that gets ruined when you realize that most female vtubers rely on GFE which is the lowest form of content. This makes them less than any 3D whore because they can't have the minute basis of a good-looking body which in most cases just takes diet. In alot of cases the girl would not be able to get popular without lying to their fans by using their imaginations and catering to mentally brain-damaged people. And since they rely so much on GFE, all of their talent and enthusiasm into streaming goes out of the water because why try so hard when you have a constant supply of simps to feed you dinner? ----> matsuri

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
cr1tikl looks better with short hair

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
Nice essay I must say, but Mori is actually above average in looks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146285
Seek help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146283
Everything that man said was true

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
I'm the only one saying this but I've altered my life completely since I got into Chuubas and I've been in the best spirits in years. I'm not surprised losers like you feel shitty about it, however.

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>>1146285
The popularity of GFE is due to the rise of men who are not able to experience romance via regular means.

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>>1146541
Based.

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>>1145860
People are gonna hate me for saying this but hotness is a type of talent too.

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>>1146541
I feel shitty about it because I'm stuck in my fucking house without human contact, you stupid disgusting troglodyte. I wish I could actually do more work and study more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
>Add on that they know you're there for them, not worried or under the impression at all that you're there for their looks, and it creates a much stronger bond
You are wrong anon, the anime body is a look.

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>>1146705
Any girl can throw on an anime body. There's a reason clover picks each one and it ain't for their face.

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>>1146224
Sure I wanna fuck Mori

but I also want to have a consensual relationship with her roommate

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>>1146541
Same, they've actually relaxed me a lot and made me a more compassionate, chill person. I'm in my best mental state in a decade since I got into chuubas, and no, there's no parasocial madness here.

lmao, and imagine being OP and implying they're all below average in looks IRL. Do your roommate reps, a vast majority of them are pretty damn attractive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
I been really wanting to write about waifusm, i bought Beatiful Fighting Girl and been reading it, and while i don't agree with all the points its making ao far, i think its a super interesting book because it tries to dwell om waifusm. Also written by a japanese doctor, so none of that western bs lefty pov.

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>>1146024
This. Vtubers are actually capable of making me laugh. Most women cannot do this. They are the 1% of women in terms of talent.

[Anonymous No.]

Well, I guess its like what Wilde said "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

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>>1146754
There's also a reason the most popular ones have the most attractive models. Why do you think female male vtubers get so much more exposure than male model vtubers?

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>>1146693
The fuck is stopping you from interacting with others then, cunt? If you want to be productive maybe you could have just thought before making this thread and do something to actually advance your work or studies. Instead, you're just looking to guilt trip others and lash out at others enjoying themselves. And telling others to seek help when it's you that needs it more? Piss off.

[Anonymous No.]

Guys
GUYS
Cakes can now indulge more in their sex appeal without worrying about their age
Although she's not a cake yet, my example is Houshou Marine

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146757
I've already friendzoned all the Holo's except Marine, because she's made for horny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146846
It's called Covid retard. I havent seen any family for over a month, havent seen a human for over 5 days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146786
Most women are fine looking. Point being they're not exceptionally attractive people, not enough to make it off their looks or get horny boys to get their moms credit card.

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>>1145860
Very much true. If you go look at the top female streamers outside of VTubers, all of them are at least 8/10 and have to stream with makeup on. It's one of those things that goes unsaid most of the time, but yeah the stream space really has no place for ugly girls. Can you imagine a girl being a successful streamer if she looked like a female Asmongold?

That said, many VTubers aren't ugly at all, but by putting on the avatar their looks are taken out of the equation entirely, letting their content and entertainment level be the focus of the stream, which was the base standard for guy streamers to begin with (outside of the very sparse field of bodybuilders / BFE streamers).
For me personally, I've realized I have no interest in GFE vtubers (Rushia/Ame) but genuinely enjoy fun girls with silly personalities like Pekora or Pikamee, and I probably would have never found them if it wasn't for VTubing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146926
He thinks covid is real

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>>1147193
I don't want to lose my taste or become as retarded as you.

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>>1145860
I think you're right on the money anon. It's something that's been discussed before but further talk about it is welcome I feel.

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>>1145860
Fucking stop, you guys like vtubers because they scream in high pitched voices and you think they're cute. It's OK dude you don't need this big brain reddit shit to like something. If i'm wrong link ONE time a vtuber provides insightful commentary. I don't hate you guys nor do I hate vtubers but fuck you are all starting to get delusional about this shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
>god I fucking hate that term
Stopped reading there. Normalfags get out.

[Papa Dragon No.]

>>1147570
Go fuck yourself, you have no clue what you're talking about and my daughter could fucking kill you.

[Papa Dragon No.]

>>1147599

[Anonymous No.]

>>1147570
I like vtubers because they scream in high pitch in fear or cry. That's why I only watch Pekora when she's playing horror games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1147649
nigger.

[Papa Dragon No.]

>>1147675
Go fuck yourself. You paid for my my meal as me and my daughter talked about how big her boyfriends penis is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146024
God damn dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
It not just a chance for average and below average female streamers. Vtubing also helps girls who are absolute hotties IRL to avoid drowning in the sea of 10/10 twitch bombshells.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1147193
There needs to be more of Pekora with tits.

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>>1146801
Vtubing helps women to be taken more seriously as entertainers in general. Obviously it evens the playing field for less attractive women, but it can also help more attractive women who would otherwise be valued primarily for their looks.
>>1146828
Even if the models are designed to be attractive, I think vtubing still provides enough of an abstraction from reality to break many of the negative stereotypes about women that viewers may have. Ideas like "women aren't funny". Men don't really face the same set of challenges as women, so naturally a man won't benefit as much from becoming a vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
>removing the physical layer has allowed for an audience of men who appreciate the women for their talents, because there is no longer any physical layer to be judged.
This only applies to non-sexy-anime vtubers.

[Papa Dragon No.]

>>1148583
Look, you can believe certain types of models will have more success than others - I even think that's a very interesting thing to consider that Clover may even be investigating/paying full time for understanding - but at the end of the day a woman's personality and ability/skill is what maximizes or minimizes their success with any model. We can both jump into a multiplayer shooter and pick our weapons, and maybe some weapons will be better than others, but at the end of the day if one of us is more skilled it wont matter nearly as much what weapons we picked, or if our preffered weapons are the best, atleast for most games.

A woman with a good personality, good skill, etc, will gain more subscribers, more fame, etc. Giving the girls a tool beside their body filters a lot of coomers and socially akward men.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146285
The irony is that Matsuri's roommate is near the "top" anyways in terms of looks

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146693
What does meeting people have to do with doing work and studying more? Nothing stopping you from opening a book at this very moment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146877
Cake theory is a lie anyway. Marine is better because she is older and not younger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146926
>>1147309
>I can't study while cooped up inside
Now this is cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146377
Don't tell Mori that!

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>>1146757
I legit wonder how Mori would react if someone traveled all the way to Japan just to get close to her like she did for tophat. I remember there being one anon who was seriously considering it since he had family there. Remember deadbros if you can't fly there its time to work on transcontinental swim reps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1148831
The desire for human contact. It's partially filled by watching other humans.
Something else to consider -- my mind is fucked staying inside all the time. Humans weren't built to stay sane alone.

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>>1148374
>So naturally a man won't benefit as much from becoming a vtuber.
Yeah anon, why would men choose vtubing when many of us just do hard physical labor every single workday and become so depressed and isolated we commit suicide at high rates. Sounds like an easy life compared to being hit on by somebody you think is creepy every once in a while.

Real reason men don't benefit is the same reason Holostars do such shit numbers, has nothing to with the so-called "stereotype threat" which academic women use as their excuse for female personal failures or unwillingness to go into certain careers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146992
>GFE vtubers (Rushia/Ame)
>Ame
Mori took that spot from her months ago, whats the last GFE thing Ame has done anyways?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
Ropes are cheap

[Anonymous No.]

>>1149062
Not him but Ame did do that Valentine's date thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1149025
You can invest in VR gear and play VRchat. My friend is doing that and he's been having a great time since last year it seems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1149155
Actually have considered this. Just wanted to wait until the next generation. Guess it's worth cashing out some of my positions to invest in mental health.

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>>1148913
That's my point. Her personality is better because she's older, but her physical looks will be slightly less because she's older. Being a Vtuber allows us to appreciate her better personality without the drawback of her physical appearance biasing our judgement

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>>1149036
>when many of us just do hard physical labor every single workday and become so depressed and isolated we commit suicide at high rates
Yeah? I'm one of them, and I don't have any of those problems. I'll gladly keep my shitty job over having to live up to the expectations of thousands every day.
Anyway I'm not sure what your point is. You suggest that vtubing is easy mode, but then so is regular streaming. Which plenty of men are successful at.
>their excuse for [their own] personal failures or unwillingness to go into certain careers
What's stopping men from being successful vtubers then? Is it personal failures or an unwillingness to reach for this so-called "easy life"? Or something else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1149036
Nigger get off the computer for a day

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146113
>tf2
Ironic

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
Congrats. You figured out something everyone already knew. Want a medal?

[Anonymous No.]

it stems from toxic masculinity honestly

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146113
Based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146757
Based. I think we all do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1149424
Shes 28 retard, the prime of life
Im tired of zoomers thinking they're the pinnacle of existence
Men like young women because they're easier to abuse, they'll do whatever you say nowadays because social media has already ruined them.

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>>1145860
>What do you think?
I think you are a genuine retard and/or off your meds, because you put Jerma on the same level as fucking nyanners.
Jerma is an actual entertainer who has managed to pull off a bunch of unbelievable shit like the carnival or those jeopardy segments, among numerous other things.
Nyanners is a washed up 4chan "oldfag" with an anime avatar whose shtick is "hehe weebs amiright guys".
The audacity of you nigger.

[Anonymous No.]

Complete bullshit, in the end the Vtuber thing is still highly sexual. It just adds another layer of delusion. Hence mostly girls do it and mostly lonely guys watch it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1149784
EOPs can never understand vtubers. Leave and kill yoursrkf, eop

[Anonymous No.]

>he's still gatekeeping vtubers

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>>1149633
>What's stopping men from being successful vtubers then? Is it personal failures or an unwillingness to reach for this so-called "easy life"? Or something else?
Who said it was an easy life? Throwing out your own biased spin there. Fact is weebs want hot anime girls to look at. The very behavior you claim anime avatars somehow avoids, but actually just reinforces. This demographic isn't interested in anime guy avatars and there aren't enough women interested in being paypigs to matter. You can be successful as a male vtuber if you just gossip about more successful female vtubers as we have seen with some channels doing well. But this is bottom feeding at its worst. And more importantly, nobody said it is immoral or unfair that women do better in this field, they just have the advantage here. Again, your projecting a bit to fit the narrative you have going.

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>>1146926
That's definitely a choice you made.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146926
Using the chinkflu as an excuse for the loser life you've always led.

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>>1149927
There are successful male vtubers
Lots. Its just not a thing western women are interested in, they like kpop and gacha

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>>1145860
>studying done due to Covid
The fuck? This is the best time to study you retard. If you can't into self-study or online classes that's all on you and you will be left behind by those who can.
Also the rest of your post was shit kys tl;dr etc.

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>>1149969
>There are successful male vtubers
give a list without using JP-only vtubers who only stream to a JP-only audience

[Anonymous No.]

>>1149957
I had an office job nicki, not exactly enjoying waking up every day alone.

[Anonymous No.]

Sure are a lot of buzzwords being thrown around

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>>1149927
The reason there arent many successful male v-tubers is the same reason most men are successful streamers -- few men need to care much about physical looks. Why spend the money getting an avatar which'll put you into a niche genre when you can just go live or start making content?
I won't deny being a woman does affect female youtubers, but it's not their vagina men are after as much as a friendship kindve experience one finds in male streamers. Removing their real faces removes the physical filter as well as the intimidation feature -- some men being I intimidated/akward around women, especially geeky or nerdy guys.

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>>1149981
Ok but it will have CN and SEA only ones which are the same thing to you. Like I said, western women as a whole don't want to spend money on a virtual host, they'd rather roll for more shota in genshein or shlick to kpop boybands if they consume eastern media.

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>>1150055
Or in other words: I can go find a male streamer and have a good time with him. The chances of me finding a good male v-tuber and having a good time are much less because it's a niche genre with little reason for men to enter. On the flip side most female streamers are actually pretty low quality and cater to men via their bodies -- I cant necessarily find a female streamer, easily anyway, who is fun and not just a thot, as well as a confident person. On the other hand it is very easy to find non thot v-tubers with confidence, a good personality, etc.

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>>1150136
still waiting on that list, anon

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>>1150136
Western women prefer to simp over western men. I have no clue about eastern women but I get the impression they like to simp over western men too, regardless of if they're interested in the average western man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1150149
Fuck off underaged retard
Im not your mom. Do your reps or go back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1150176
>claims there's a lot of male vtubers
>called out
>b-b-but reps
lol okay, i can make up bullshit facts myself

[Anonymous No.]

>>1149758
Based, jerma is one of the most unique streamers out there and nyanners is being a leech

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>>1146224
Yes, but as the models themselves are all roughly equally as attractive (only difference being catering to ceetain tastes) they do work as a sort of equalizer, taking away pressure for the girls from the looks department and adding some to the personality department. If everyone can have a cute anime girl as their avatar, then the competition for views and fans has to come from actual personality or skill and talent.

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>>1150136
kpop business model is similar to social phone games mainly consumed by sea and earn money from tv licences. otherwise its internet meme shit. gooks always try to overestimate it but thats why they dont/cant hold a concert in the west.

[Anonymous No.]

>western
>talent

big kusa

[Anonymous No.]

>>1150136
But to be honest, how do we know that western women don't want to spend money on a virtual host? There hasn't really been any professional level company backed male vtubers targeted and marketed towards a western audience yet. You might say the existing male streamers don't get attention but have you ever considered they aren't doing it right? And on top of that its not as if there are thousands of successful western female vtubers either, outside of what the 10 or so members of 2 groups everyone else is almost negligible?

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>>1145860
if youve done your forbidden reps you'd realize that like half of the roomates of holos are physically attractive
also noel's roomate is literally a titty streamer

[Anonymous No.]

>>1152006
I don't think that really has that much impact on it though does it, most people get into this stuff first and then if they get in deep enough and end up somewhere like this they will find that out.

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>>1152022
fair enough, i guess i forgot to point out that i don't disagree with OP's point
also checked

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>>1152022
fair enough, i guess i forgot to point out that i don't disagree with OP's point for the most part
also checked

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>>1145860
It also makes it easier to produce fan content.

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>>1146113
Connor is based though.

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>>1149758
Speaking of Jerma, if there was ever gonna be one non-vtuber collab i would love to see Jerma being the one. And doomposters would also not have to worry about him getting political.

[Anonymous No.]

Most of the Holo girls are fairly attractive, there's only maybe 5-10 that are average or worse, and only 2-3 that could be considered unattractive.

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>>1148933
She would probably be justifiably terrified.

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>>1145860
Well yea. They can be fat, ugly, skinny, deformed, etc. As long as they have a nice voice, some talents, and a good avatar to boot. The simps will come.

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>>1145860
yes it's true.
women with good looks go to the top and the women who are passionate about stuff and are more interesting gets discouraged because they know they can't challenge the thots.
this leaves only the thots and further creates the idea that to be a popular streamer you need to be good looking.
with vtubers what matters is your personality and your ability to be an entrateiner so people who are more into niche stuff gets selected.
take Marine: she's a fucking higurashi and umineko fan. that means she played 2 fucking 100+ hours visual novels with no gameplay. you'll never find a normal thot streamer who's played that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146024
100% true

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>>1152550
He's so damn short that I'm surprised Mori hasn't fallen for him yet

[Anonymous No.]

Funny that many Amerimutts are still saying they are interchangeable and showing some boomer dystopian theory. When Japan starts something new mutts are always like that and instead make some boring mutt shit that only sells like shit. They never learn.

[Anonymous No.]

I fucking hate modern critikal

[Anonymous No.]

I hate these real people reacting to vtubers shit it's beyond cynical, they need to be copyright striked into the ground.

What's the appeal of watching some random cunt talk about and watch vtuber clips? They don't have any insight, they don't bring anything to the table. I was disappointed that mori entertained those goobers

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146285
It's funny to think matsuri is a major simp hersef

[Anonymous No.]

>>1156014
She loves that retard critikal for some reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
"The popularity of VTubers is mainly because of what they are hated for by other "real"-tubers. Their virtual mask. And I believe it is their most important aspect.
The virtual mask shields it's wearer from the attacks of the real world, while allowing them to express their creative selves.
When projekt Melody debuted, her novelty caused an outrage. Until then, female streamers would build their virtual careers by showing their real world image while risking their virtual fame becoming real world infamy.
At first glance one would think that they were outraged, because Melody could sell the sexuality of her mask without risking real world repercussion. But on closer inspection one would see that the outrage was caused by one simple realisation: their virtual career wasn't built despite their connection to the real world. It was built because of it.
They realised that their donations didn't come because they promised the services of a softcore stripper, but because they promised a relationship you could buy online as long as you were top donator.
With Melody that didn't exist. There was no real world promise so there were no "simps" for a lack of better words.

However, where the virtual mask really shined was that it allowed the personality to reign free without the fear of the real world. It no longer had to restrict itself, to the norms of society. The mask of the VTuber is essentially what 4chan is to the forum browser - complete freedom, since anyone could wear the mask and hide behind an untraceable virtual avatar or the simple letters "Anon".
But since anyone could wear the mask, the true value of entertainment came from the personality of its wearer and not the mask itself. This to the creative person that was too self-critical of themselves was perfect. They could finally express the talent that their self-critique had created, but didn't allow to come out. And I believe this is why VTubers are rising to popularity.

On the other side, I don't believe that the attraction towards VTubers is based just on simple sexual attraction, albeit towards a detached object of desire. They are not as much of an idol, sexual or not, as they are a Muse. Many have returned to art with the rise of VTubers and can be seen, on YouTube for starters, in the rise of compilation videos from new channels as well as (and more importantly) the return of old art and animation channels that would animate skits based on the content of VTubers.
I believe that the effect of the Muse is the most important effect that VTubers have on the psyche. They are a detached ideal you can only please by creating and improving, rather than degrading and corrupting.

Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.
I hope this has convinced the board that I still need my schizophrenia medication."
t. A schizoid I found in MemeAnalysis's comment section.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1157391
He's not a bad guy you know. Emphasis Bad, not revolutionary or genius but not some scum either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1152550
Damn I used to be really into competative tf2 and remwmber alot of the sudes in this pic.

miss those days man, idk what happened

[Anonymous No.]

unironically the only vtuber that impresses me with so called "talent" is codemiko because i cant imagine myself doing anything remotely close to what she does ever. everyone else pretty much is still simp pandering, if they werent then there would be no need for an anime styled avatar

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>>1149758
jerma peaked at live action jerma rumble. all his weird game show shit is dumb as hell and would function so much better with editing and scripting.

[Anonymous No.]

Mori love

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>>1145860
Be real here none of them are talented enough to be worth 100s of dollars. If they were on the street maybe you'd give them a penny but thousands of bucks? Of course not. People watch them because they're women and they can hold them up as some sort of idol to lewd over. Do you really think those EOPS who watch hundreds of hours of streams that they can't understand really that entertained? No dude, they just wanna fuck the anime girl stop exaggerating how 'removing the physical layer has allowed for an audience of men who appreciate the women for their talents, because there is no longer any physical layer to be judged'. I actually fucking cringed at that line, its so horrible. None of them are talented enough to make it in the real world even besides the fact that they're not physically attractive, they're just popular because it's easier to delude yourself on the sexiness of an anime girl rather than the sexiness of an ugly irl girl.

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>>1149758
The funny thngs is that jerma actually likes nyanners and her content, and nyanners has a multitude of times expressed how inferior she is to jerma, so she's not in disagreement with you.

I love both jerma's and nyanners' content, but it annoys the shit out of me when chatters will come into nyanners' chat and just say shit like "jerma." Like, seriously, people just comment that completely unwarranted and unprompted. She does bring him up or reference him quite a bit, but chat takes it to another level sometimes

[Anonymous No.]

>>1163892
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1152444
https://youtu.be/p5CjmHLUQQI

[Anonymous No.]

>>1166720
Locked

[Anonymous No.]

>>1166720
Well compared to other two he is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1159613
You still gonna have to give him that what he does is pretty creative.

[Anonymous No.]

I think you belong on reddit, those are my two cents

[Anonymous No.]

>>1167006
And they're worthless, not your personal wizard cave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1159613
jerma based

[Anonymous No.]

>>1147570
"Insightful commentary" on what? Who the fuck cares about that? As a matter of fact when was the last time YOU provided any insightful commentary on anything? Fucking dumbass

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
Vtubers are literally the only women I've ever watched on the internet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1167874
makes sense, without the vtuber aspect there's no reason to watch them.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is this garbage thread still up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1167926
Because I have determined it should.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146283
For telling the truth?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1168036
For being a projecting losah. It's one thing to want to fuck some anime girls, another to think the only reason anyone is here is because they're braindead coomers. Not all men base their views of women on their dick 24/7.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1151505
>virtually equal
Nah. Men have varying tastes and while yes, the floor is high, theres a high chance your Chuba of choice tickles your dick the most.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
Mori has a song from her pre-Vtuber days basically talking about being friendzoned and treated poorly by someone she looked up to and had a crush on. These girls are so relatable, its definitely helped me to feel more confident now that I know women like Mori exist out there who have gone through the same stuff I have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1168258
It is hard to completely divorce the sexual nature of a woman from a man's mind, however it is equally hard to divorce the human from woman. There may be a small part of me which is still sexual with most women, but it's not a something I would ever engage in.
Ask yourself if you'd fuck your mom over thinking about her breasts a couple times -- the answer for most sane people is no. It's somewhat like the voice that tells you to jump off a high place when you're at a high place -- the vast majority of people don't actually want to do it. It's just a remnant of our genetic programming clashing with itself. But actually wanting to fuck every woman with breasts, not just being reminded of/aroused by the vague form of sexuality/femininity when you see breasts -- that is a genuine issue you should seek help for.

It's similar to thinking about killing people vs actually wanting to kill people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1168453
One of the most important moments in life is when you realize women can and have loved you. It's a hard reality for some men to accept, in part because it removes their victim mentality or comfortableness with having failed to achieve a relationship, but it's necessary for the development of confidence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1168453
gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146024
>>1146024
fpbp
Vtubers are objectively the best form of woman on the internet because they have to be entertaining first and foremost, as opposed to just shaking their ass and titties twitch style.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1168628
Also the reason this is hard is because if you've been online for awhile you'll find losers and mentally ill people are especially loud and convincing. They'll tell you women are only interested in the top 10% of men, that men are built to fuck as many women as possible, etc etc etc. Like all good fiction there is some truth to it, the top castes of society have always been dominated by men, with the lower most castes, consisting of the poor and born to die expendables, also made of men. But the small amount of men at the top, who sometimes have multiple partners, is not representative of society at large. Further it's almost impossible to find a woman actually okay with a harem, historically it's either been forced on them or done for logical practical reasons.

V-Tubers in part expose people susceptible to this mindset to the truth. I think they are a very great thing for young men in our society. I'm sick of porn, the media, foreign influence, outrage machine, and all else, poisoning the minds of the many. We don't live in a world where all women are whores and all men insatiable bulls looking to fuck everything that moves; at-least we don't unless you believe we do and become part of a self fulfilling prophecy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1169028
You can become a bull who spends his time in ever increasing conquest of pussy, ever increasing domination, or a girl become a whore who has ever increasing desires and fantasy for herself. But both will find themselves struggling to find meaning in life and, often, breaking when thinking about the love life they think impossible, a partner who actually loves and cares about them. There's a reason dead egger and coomer have entered the consciousness of this toxic online discourse -- they're real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1168453
I feel bad for her having to go shit like that and turn into more masculine type and just recently getting into more normal woman stuff like painting nails or growing long hair.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1169625
not that bad. some women in the soviet union, during ww2, were so removed from being women they stopped having periods during their time in service. i kid you not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
This 100%
Yeah, some people will beat their dick to fanart of Vtubers, but the sex appeal always comes second to the Vtuber herself, unlike e-whores whose sex appeal is their only distinguishing quality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1170089
not how women work

[Anonymous No.]

>>1168628
>One of the most important moments in life is when you realize women can and have loved you.
This might be true for most people but I wouldn't say everyone. There are some who go through life as ghosts, without even trying to form friendships let alone romantic relationships. I highly doubt those people have ever been truly loved, and it's not surprising, you can't really be loved by anyone if nobody knows that you even exist

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
She has no talent none of them do, the only reason people like these whores is because they look attractive anime or not

[Anonymous No.]

>>1152444
>based
he's a fucking normie with the titular trash taste

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
>removing the physical layer has allowed for an audience of men who appreciate the women for their talents, because there is no longer any physical layer to be judged.
This is honestly a retarded argument that i hear quite often, sure there is no physical layer to be judge but you are naive as fuck if you think weebs are not gonna judge a chuuba based on how hot her avatar is, it doesn't matter if it is a physical body or not as long as you are using an Avatar to represent yourself there will be people that will judge it based on how hot it is

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146285
I Think a better example of someone that does rely a lot on Simps is Rushia anon, Matsuri has kind of giving a good chunk of her fanbase the middle finger by streaming only Apex for quite a while and also the fact that she is in a consistent Duo with Rikka from holostars who is a male chuuba

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
I mean cr1tikl is from the old days bro, hes been around forever. mori has watched him more then 10 years she said as a fan. Its too bad she can't collab with him like she wishes for, all that fame and your cucked by some japanese men lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1175963
>Periods can intensify or become erratic during deployment. Some women report that they lose their period completely for months without apparent explanation. This can make it challenging to plan ahead and increases the risk of accidents, leaks and hassle.
https://obgyn.coloradowomenshealth.com/blog/contraception-for-military-women

you don't understand how women work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1180068
>you are naive as fuck if you think weebs are not gonna judge a chuuba based on how hot her avatar is
Why do we see streams peak in viewers then? Kanata had many more viewers than usual during the whole sans thing -- I don't think people were watching or viewing for a GFE or for the le epic hot girl.
The patterns and viewer numbers of Hololive, as well as general interactions with their fanbase, is more consistent with male twitch streamers than e-thots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146541
>>1146786
it's interesting how that worked out.
watching holoEN debut and following them has improved my overall mood and reduced this mental restlessness that i had for quite a while before.
/hlgg/ definitely was a big part of that, posting together with others who genuinely enjoy something and are sincere about it was something i hadn't felt in years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1150055
>The reason there arent many successful male v-tubers is the same reason most men are successful streamers -- few men need to care much about physical looks.
No, it's because there isn't enough of a profit motive to incentivize consistent streaming from a dude. Most just never make it to a point (with or without the avatar) where they'd be able to make a living with it. Women tend to be able to draw more paying men, so they'll fill out the field. It's the reason you see more paid workers than interns in most work environments.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1152444
Trips of truth

[Anonymous No.]

>>1147570
>If i'm wrong link ONE time a vtuber provides insightful commentary.
Pekora, Mio, Luna, and Okayu all tend to throw some good bits out there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1147309
Why are you so scared of losing your taste when it's shit?

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>>1146285
>All of that gets ruined when you realize that most female vtubers rely on GFE
Much of this is imagined.
>This makes them less than any 3D whore because they can't have the minute basis of a good-looking body
Many still do, but just value their privacy.
>In alot of cases the girl would not be able to get popular without lying to their fans by using their imaginations and catering to mentally brain-damaged people.
Usually, the issue is just branding and advertising.
>matsuri
She looks pretty good, actually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1179563
I know and for some reason i still like him more than Joey and Garnt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146828
Pikamee disproves this. Her model is not conventionally attractive yet I am in love with her personality and voice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
>seek help if you're addicted to v-tubers.
Kys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1194046
>Her model is not conventionally attractive
Fucking faggot. It's simplistic, but by no means unattractive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1157391
He's old guard at this point. One of the last great youtubers who didn't sell out or die off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1194110
That's why I said "conventionally" retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
gizmodos article about hololive was exactly like your post. at least, unlike vice, it isnt sjw shit

https://gizmodo.com/vtubing-is-more-than-just-livestreaming-with-cute-anime-1846237827

[Anonymous No.]

>>1194046
I'd say Pikamee is absolutely conventionally attractive

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146024
FPBP

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7zwoO6zfVs

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
Deadbraps still defend this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1147309
lol, literally afraid of seeing a family member or a neighbor and yet calls others retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
Dunno. There's the existence of unicorns.

[Anonymous No.]

These last few threads have dropped in quality. Is everyone okay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
Best blog post in a while.
I'm actually going to play devil's advocate here: a character model can make or break a Vtuber. Imagine if Calli had Kiara's Live 2D model?
I don't disagree with you that it takes out the physical girl part, but we would be lying if we said we we're not there for the anime girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1147309
You already have trash taste and are retarded for coming here. ONE OF US.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
It's not true. If they weren't a cute anime girl most of us wouldn't be following them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146283
Seek a rope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1204993
The 2d girl is merely a tool to replace what was sacrificed. Much like how a book uses Anime to achieve it's realization in the visual medium.
To some animation is genuinely superior to actual filming. To others it varies, depending on the genre, amount of impossible scenes, tone, animation style, etc. And, of course, to some animation is always worse.
Inevitably we'll get some who belong to the foremost and middle camps, those who think animation is better or sometimes better, and they'll undoubtedly mostly appreciate a V-Tuber. But I think the middle camp is incredibly massive -- I think most people aren't here for the anime girl as much as the girl set free from her physical self.

Much like how a story often cannot be given justice in the 3d world I think streamers can become confined to their bodies, in terms of what they're able to explore with their content. The tool of this new body allows confidence, as is commonly agreed due to the anonymity and detachment from your physical self, but it also allows fans to detach from the physical world too -- the girl knows you are not viewing her but her model, she is able to work knowing she is doing so within a new medium for your mind and sensories that we are beginning to understand and define. Haachama can kill herself live on stream and then pop up again -- what would the costs of this be for a 3d streamer? How believable would it be? I'd say it's not possible, first of all, due to the shock it would cause fans, and second of all due to the impossibility of divorcing the real world from the streamer.

Despite saying it's impossible, there are those characters which have successfully broken down barriers; I think in many ways DrDisrespect & others were predictive successful precursors to V-Tubers which showed us, though we lacked the foresight to connect the dots, that a new emerging medium of the unreal meeting live actors and persons in the digital space was coming.
In this way I think it's wrong to blame it all on cute anime girls. I think, when you look back on it, you can see this development of entertainment starting long ago with Max Headroom and other forms of 'alive' unreals, played in a realtime manner. It goes back to a question of the chicken and the egg, one which is also true for anime: do we like the medium due to it's look or due to it's capabilities not realized in other mediums? Did you like the look of anime before you got into it, or did you develop a preference due to anime's unique story telling potential and general entertainment culture? I think it's obvious V-Tubers are pulling in those already liking anime, and further I think it's obvious anime developed to be naturally appealing to the eyes, but I don't think it is obvious that anime is a superior look to the real world for all eyes; we could've seen successful V-Tubers a long time ago if it was that simple. The real meat of it is the successful realization of technologies and capital allowing us to produce these characters able to interact with their space in a way as effortless as me sending this comment to your computer, with all the major work done well in advance of any stream.

I'd even go so far as to say the hypertextual revolution predicted in the 90s is finding itself realized in this new medium... like how it was predicted we would get rid of the burdens of printing press, namely the lack of artistic work with words in order to achieve widespread reproduction with common letters, we are divorcing the past necessity of livestream, namely that it would be too insane and niche to do all this visual and technical work to broadcast characters too niche for a wide audience to enjoy. But now it is hardly unprofitable to have forty different characters all using mediums unfathomable expensive to produce in the past, especially in real time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1194423
>An article with a structured opinion and logical reasoning
I hate how surprised I am at this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1206304
Also to further elaborate on the overall meaning: these digital characters can interact with anything in cyberspace. They can load in levels from supermario bros if they want and play around in there.
https://youtu.be/at5YMpTLl9U
Ross, an entertainer who's focus is on preserving digital media, specifically games, has talked about something like this, namely a software able to rip all the textures from a game and give them new life in new remixes. Imagine being able to play a game with endless guns, all lovingly designed, to no end. Or endlessly exploring massive levels, millions of hours in vr, with, again, seemingly no end.
The V-Tuber, by being part of digital space, is able to interact with the near infinite content produced in digital space in a way no 3d streamer can. Much like how an anime girl can do whatever the animators want her to do.

Anime, as an artistic medium, may just be a booster needed to get the medium going ahead of schedule. But I think it's wrong to claim that the value of the medium is derived from it's anime aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1206480
It will be like SAO, there will be different virtual worlds you can go to and they will have different art styles. So while there will be anime worlds where pretty much everyone's designed in an anime art style there will be normie worlds that have a more realistic art style.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1159515
How is Angel Ai?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1206480
>>1206304
Finally, some fucking discussion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1206304
>>1206480
bumping so more people see this

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
This isn't profound or interesting in the fucking slightest, feel like I'm reading some actual retards first attempt at putting thoughts to words

[Anonymous No.]

>>1168628
No woman other than my mother has loved me I guarantee you that

[Anonymous No.]

>>1223019
This desu. Vtubers have been good in they've helped me see women with similar interests are out there but with the way things work they are 1 in a million and they certainly wouldn't be interested in me

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860

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>>1224184
yes

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>>1226712
ok now that I did:
I think what you're describing is literally just the effect of the vtubing concept, as in of course there'd be more of an opportunity to lean into the weird/otaku shit
there's always been like, plenty of weirdo otaku women into weird neckbeard hobbies, as is now becoming apparent
it's never been like a men vs women thing; it's literally just normalfags vs non-normalfags

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>>1146285
You say all that but forget to mention that Matsuri is the biggest ''simp'' in her agency, in fact Festival shouldn't been used as an example at all since she is a known mentally damaged schizo, Rushia would've fit better in your argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1148933
It still amazes me that she flew halfway across the world, to work a deadend job and live in poverty for years, just to lick the topmanlet's face ONCE. Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1148913
Marine is 27, she is definetly a cake anon, she's just not a hag like Mio or Rushia

[Anonymous No.]

>>1152006
You are exagerating, I've done my reps and I'll give you that 1/3 of holos are 8/10, 1/3 are 6/10 and 1/3 are 4-5/10 p-poruka oruka. Weirdly enough the stars are all average.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1152444
Connor is so fucking retarded that even his friends tell him at least 4 times per episode how stupid he is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1168628
I know that this is true but I've never experienced something like that in 26 years, it didn't make me hate women or anything like that though because I'm not mentally retarded. But there are people who live their lives without forming meaninful relashionships.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1227469
honestly jap women are either 3/10's or able to become 10/10's / 9/10's in your mind. either ugly or able to become the most beautiful perfect face you can imagine, given you have the time to start loving them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
Dude, nobody cares for these girls' "talents". There's only one thing we care about: Can she play a cute anime girl?
Nobody listens to Mori's music because it's super well made, but because they associate it with their oshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1227885
>Nobody listens to Mori's music because it's super well made, but because they associate it with their oshi.
do your roommate reps redditor

[Anonymous No.]

>>1152444
Fuck off Connor

[Anonymous No.]

>>1228056
Ok sorry Mr. "Akshually". I meant the people who follow her as a Vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1227469
if you like cute, a few of them are 10/10. aqua is as cute as it gets as far as asians go and shion is the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1228245
so you think everybody who watches her is just there for the avatar. that's as silly as saying people only watch anime for the art style, or because it's japanese -- you're dumbing down everybody by doing so. some people come for the foreign factor, then stay and have a positive association with "anime"; some come from seeing the cuteness of it and then build a lasting positive association with "anime"; some come because they enjoy the unique story telling style, then they associate quality they like with "anime" -- need i go on? i don't think the majority of people come to anime because it's anime, they come to anime because they find something in it they can't find elsewhere, and often this something can be reliably found in anime but nowhere else.
when i find a v-tuber, do i find something that i can't reliably find in female streamers, or streamers in general? the answer to that is yes. there are a shit ton of people who've only seen two anime in their life yet watch v-tubers; maybe a fair amount of normal people get filtered by the anime artstyle, but a great amount of people are just ambivalent to the v-tuber art style but loving of the content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1227885
her music is basically doujin music. so its niche shit from the beginning like you dont really check other doujin music either. though western viewers and vtubers are different from japanese ones. from what ive seen, western vtubers are like cosplayers playing games and talking about some random shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1163631
>No dude, they just wanna fuck the anime girl
Dude, more than half of Hololive, one of the biggest Japanese Vtuber groups in the West, is unfuckable. You're projecting your own feelings there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1211827
I am pretty sure it's Cover's plan
After all everyone including idols isn't happy about lacking fans during concerts, the mentions in the lore and now even the Alternative project
It's pretty natural way for them to progress, not even that hard to achieve once you consider VRChat doing really well
In fact if Cover gets lucky it may become more popular than VRChat due to its more focused nature

[Anonymous No.]

>>1238213
>not even that hard to achieve
starlink and other significant infrastructure will be necessary for massive instances where the idol can see all her fans at once.
of course you could try something like a stream of multiple instances into areas of the idol's concert hall, such that individual servers host parts of the map and then stream the data of player movements condensed with some delay, but i don't know much about this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1152444
Connor was right about gacha, Garnt and Joey are addicts

[Anonymous No.]

>>1146926
oh no no no he fell for the covid meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
>removing the physical layer has allowed for an audience of men who appreciate the women for their talents
Yes and no. I think the appearance of the avatar is a factor in some people's success. However, the talent behind it has much more control over that than their own physical appearance.Their are still physical limitations like their voice that can still get in the way.

I think it's good that it creates a degree of separation between their job and their personal life. Someone like Projekt Melody can make a video, then stroll down to the market to get a bite to eat without worrying that someone will call her out for pornhub uploads. I think that separation is pretty cool. Probably freeing in some cases.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
Yes, when everyone is cute and attractive, nobody is competing for that.
Even the 3D women who could have been entertaining one day realise that going for the lower hanging fruit is way easier and more profitable because the day they wore that low cut shirt their views were up 200% which starts a spiral to vapidity and playing dumb.

I didn't watch a single woman's streams or videos online because it was all "look at me tits and ass, hhaahaa I'm funny peepee poopoo" or they were content creators only women would be interested in.
And for 'some reason' I never really came across women without cameras in video content.
Now with vtubers it filters the pool into actually talented and entertaining individuals.

Still you are still an absolute faggot OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>1240715
i know im a faggot and i partially dont give a fuck yet also do give a fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>1194162
Didn't sell out my ass. His content is just dramatuber bullshit and acting like a whiny cunt

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
Same I got into this because alot of the girls feel far more sincere than most people in general, I also think the anonymity plays a big part too as they feel safely disconnected enough to reveal parts of their personality much like the average anon here

[Anonymous No.]

>>1227494
But at least he admits that he is a retarded. And i still agree with him more times than with Joey or fucking Garnt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1228559
>so you think everybody who watches her is just there for the avatar.
There are there for the character she portrays, not just the picture of the caracter. You know, that's kinda the point of Vtubing.
You think Mori would sell just as many copies of her songs if she just realeased it without it being associated with the character?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1168453
song name?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1168453
>>1261138
is it Words That I Could Say to You

[Anonymous No.]

>>1206480
Thank you for making me think.

[Anonymous No.]

idk who connor is
did he also sell his viewers info like joey and gigguk did in the flying colors foundation fiasco?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1149758
>because you put Jerma on the same level as fucking nyanners
Anon, are you sure you don't want to read the OP again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
>there is no longer any physical layer to be judged
The quality of the avatar and the sound of the voice still matters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1263636
>flying colors foundation fiasco
Remind me again what was that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1261138
>>1263526
[Words That I Could Say to You and You're an Ace Kid are the two songs.] Highly suggest going through them both slowly and paying attention to the lyrics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1261138
>>1263526

[Spoiler] Words that I could Say to you and You're an Ace Kid. I'd highly suggest going through the lyrics slowly and paying close attention to them [Spoiler] Both are about Ao from Faketype.[Spoiler]

[Anonymous No.]

>>1266657
>Near the end of the Anime Census, survey-takers are asked if they have ever experienced social anxiety, body image issues, drug addiction, or other “health complications.”

>However, the survey website does not inform fans about how the information will be used, so it’s no wonder that some survey-takers assumed the worst.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1261138
>>1263526

Words that I Could Say to You and You're an Ace Kid. Both are about Ao from Faketype. I'd suggest slowly going through the song and paying attention to the lyrics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1267370
>read lyrics
fuck
my eyes are open

[Anonymous No.]

>>1267656
>>1267489
ahem.
yeah the latter makes a hell of a lot more sense now

[DKzhinese No.]

How to forget when the vstreaming was starting to get attention when some ninja say "nigger"

[Anonymous No.]

>>1268391
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>1149146
>Not him but Ame did do that Valentine's date thing.

Yea but it was a spoof stream so it doubled as both comedy and romance

[Anonymous No.]

>>1263526
I couldn't find this song on her YouTube. Is there somewhere I can listen to it at?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1284223
if you search the exact title on youtube, there's an autogenerated upload for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1145860
It took you this long to reach this conclusion?
>inb4 avatar still matters
Yeah sure, but anyone can get a good avatar provided they find the decent artist. You can't say the same about irl attractiveness unless you have the thousands to spent on plastic surgery.
Virtual avatars have the potential to put everyone on a fair competition.