/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Yo it's me Son Goku. I heard that this Vtuber thingy is pretty strong and I love fighting strong opponents. Give me your strongest Vtubers!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>11798114
Hey Friend!

[Anonymous No.]

Why is this weakling knocking on the door?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11798114
AHaHaHaHahahaha

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>>11798114

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>>11798114
ENTER Kiryu Coco.

[Anonymous No.]

you seriously think you can win, or maybe lose without dying, goku?

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>>11798114
Who's at the door?

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>>11798114

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>>11798114

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>>11798399
i want her fist to say "Hirys" to my anus

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>>11798180
>>11798376
AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.]

>>11798114
please have mercy, Goku

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>>11798399
God this is amazing

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>>11798467
Oh, it's Irys. I fapped to this twice already without realizing who it was supposed to be.

[Anonymous No.]

掛かって来い!

[Anonymous No.]

I want neo-/a/ to leave.

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>>11798114

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>>11798114

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>>11798180
>>11798351
Honestly either one of these two could handle goku. If goku wants to bitxh out and fuse with veheta, haachama and nene in tandem would beat the ever loving fuck out of them. Retard pride worldwide

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[Anonymous No.]

>>11798173
Hi friend!
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>>11798288
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>>11798351
>>11798376
>>11798399
>>11798445
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>>11798934
>>11799190
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>>11799928
>>11799952
You faggots are weak gtfo

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>>11800065
goku, no... please!!

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>>11800065
>laser beams in your general direction
>hits a pressure point
Gokue is trash. Thank super in general.

[Anonymous No.]

Super is good.

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>>11800065
Let fate decide

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>>11800237
It's not. It's full of plotholes and retcons for the sake of plot and that very same plot has been recycling tropes from the original run.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey buddy I think you got the wrong door

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>>11798288
She has a husband you know...

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>>11800312
I don't mind the Goku and Vegeta show, personally. Let's compromise and say it's good

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>>11798288
If Kakarot can't defeat you. Th- then not even I, the Prince of all Saiyans, stands a chance. I kneel.

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>>11800352
Is this husband stronger than Kiryu Coco?

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>>11798114

[Anonymous No.]

>he thinks he stands a chance

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>>11800065
You want to repeat that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11800556
ENTER

[Anonymous No.]

>>11800556
ENTER ×2

[Anonymous No.]

Man you all are pretty strong you weren't lying
Let's have a little rest
Relax and catch your breath and then we can get back to training

[Anonymous No.]

>>11800065
>>11799928
>>11800065
Here, have a super outdated feat listing of HAACHAMA.

Also, HAACHAMA is literally confirmed Multiversal in her VEAH video's original segment, which is a higher tier than Goku at max strength btw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRCfFS0SsCk

(I could go more in depth, but long story short, HAACHAMA can casually create multiverses, which is what the cubes from the Hololive English Prelude video are)

And I'm not even talking about GODCHAMA, who is all the personas of HAACHAMA Ch. combined into a singlar being + YAGOO.

>>11798458
Pomu herself might be able to take on Goku, depending on how strong her eldritch powers are (basically: Is it comparable to HAACHAMA?).

Heck, maybe even Lulu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11802096
>Jobs to gay ramen
Gtfo you and you false god

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>>11802266
Ha! Little did you know that Haachama has long since conquered the gay ramen and thus no longer has any weaknesses. except her sister

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKmK8ZuEfA4

[Anonymous No.]

>>11802062
hey son-kun let me get one of those beans pls

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>>11802458
>Jobs to weird man with daughterwife fitish
>Jobs to chinks and cover
>Jobs sanity

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>>11802692
>>Jobs sanity
That’s not jobbing that’s a powerup

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>>11798114
Lore wise, all of holocouncil are gods, they exist as concepts of the universe and should be able to beat goku easily. Mori from holomyth is the concept of death and also should be able to beat goku easily. Aside from them (the EN gens are super op), Haachama is probably the strongest. She is clearly implied to be an eldrich being, and is stated to be "the strongest idol" which would put her above everyone else.

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>>11798399
My mind instantly pictured one of those Broly culo edits but with Irys

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>>11798819
based

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>>11803167
I haven't read the manga but I did watch the Super anime, and I regret to inform you that Goku is going toe-to-toe with gods now. He's also close buds with the one true god; I'm not making this up.

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>>11799159
Seethe

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>>11798114
I don't know what its power level is and I never want to find out.

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>>11800065
Nene base is literally Super saiyan god blue ultra instinct x Madara shinra tensai x 1000000000. Don't even get me started on Nene max

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>>11798114
Is there a single entity in the dbzverse capable of challenging Ame Pequeña?

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>>11812165
It's the number of subscribers a channel has
bigger numbers= better character

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>>11798173

[Anonymous No.]

EN speculation:
>Gentoo + IryS
Kronii and Sana could likely instantly beat Goku (kill him as a baby/eject him from space all-together)
Kronii, Sana and Fauna would likely only have a tie as the best outcome for Goku, since their domains cover things required for Goku to exist, so them dying would likely kill Goku too.
Mumei likely would have the least control over Goku, Goku is a farmer by trade and the original civilization that Goku was a part of is no longer around.
IryS is an agent of the councel, thus if Mumei beating Goku is questionable, IryS beating Goku is too since I doubt they'd make her stronger than a god.
GenWan
No go for anyone but Calli and Kiara.
Calli is an embodiment of death, and her power could range anywhere from regular magic user to insta-kill.
Kiara can't die, and likely could keep it going until Goku either gives up, or dies of old age.

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>>11798114

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>>11798114
the only right answer

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>>11815530
>dog dies
>falls into a coma
uhh yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>11815641
Meanwhile Goku
> best friend dies
> becomes the LEGENDARY SUPER SAIYAN

[Anonymous No.]

She's a god, like a Zen-oh level god. She can erase things from existence with a thought.

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>>11798114

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>>11798114
Gura drowns tardku

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>>11812480
and that without taking into account that there might be two, three or even more Nenes at the same time

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>>11798114
>>11799928
>>11802096
>>11821384
>>11814864
>>11801270
To be honest I don't think anybody in hololive except Haachama and Nene can beat Goku realistically speaking.

Goku is Universe level+ and the only one with concrete proof (as in shown feats) of being stronger than that is Haachama, while Nene is just implied to be stronger due to her basically being hololive's Goku (the lore she started out with), and has shits like

Super Hyper Ultra Ultimate Deluxe Perfect Amazing Shining God 東方不敗 Master Ginga Victory Strong Cute Beautiful Galaxy Baby 無限 無敵 無双 NENECHI, as well as:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcA_mD9pQTM

Basically she is Goku but without any reasonable limit.

The only other one that MIGHT be able to beat Goku is Miko-sama:
Same tier as Goku, but not much combat feats, so probably not.
https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/9163228/#q9181743

>>11803167
>>11815530
>>11814811
It's true that technically Sana and Fauna and kill Goku using unconventional means (i.e. attacking him indirectly, since Dragon Ball scaling dictates that if you're strong enough, hax directed at you won't do shit; Hit and his time stop, Vegeta vs Toppo for example), but none of them is close to Goku's tier and he can always speedblitz them (Sana is Solar System-tier at best and Fauna has only shown a Planetary tier feat as she restored the Earth after Sana destroyed it at the end of her debut).

Kronii and Ame can't defeat Goku either since time travel in Dragon Ball works along the multiverse theory rather than the causality theory, meaning killing Goku in the past won't affect THE Goku they're fighting against (see Future Trunks), and again none of them have feats stronger than Universe level+. (Kronii's time travel feat in her debut stream is at Universe level at best since she never destroyed any part of the 4th dimension, and Ame has no way to kill present Goku).

Also councils are NOT gods. They never were and they specifically avoided calling themselves gods. They were created BY the god, not that they're gods themselves.

Calli can't kill Goku either for the same reason as Sana and Fauna, and Calli has no feats to indicate that she is even close to Goku's level in power.

For Kiara, Goku can easily destroy her completely (as in every single atoms) like he did with Majin Buu since she needs to revive from her ashes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa5Pimg2kPc

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So in summary, only vtubers that ARE basically Goku but stronger, or greater beings on the power-scaling tier such as eldritch gods like Haachama can beat him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11825856
please be ironic

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>>11798114
I'll show you who's the boss of this gym.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11798114
>i will fuck you up nora~

[Anonymous No.]

>>11825856
As expected of Haachama

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>>11825856
based autist contributing to nenechi supremacy

[Anonymous No.]

>>11798114
>Stomps Goku
Godchaama
Omegaα
Ancient Ones

>Could possibly win or draw against Goku
Fauna (via Illness-creation and regen)
Sana and Yatagarasu
Bae
Mori
Kronii
Irys
Kanata
Towa


>low chance of winning against Goku
Ame
Mumei
Ina

>Wild cards
Elite Miko
Super Nenechi
Matsuri


Outside of Hololive I'm not sure, Ironmouse maybe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11798114
Just a reminder that GT is the superior sequel to DBZ and Super is just a fan-fic tier cashgrab.

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>>11828391
I'm really not trying to be a contrarian here, but couldn't you say the same thing for Dragon Ball after the Frieza arc? I enjoyed Super a lot, honestly.

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>>11828391
Super only exists because Toriyama-sensei was displeased and utterly disgusted at how GT turned out. GT has zero memorable fights, a shit story and stiff and uninspired animation. Thank God Toriyama considers it non-canon fanfiction. Thank God Toriyama came back and gave us Battle of Gods, Resurrection of F, and the Broly film. Thank God Super gave us Future Trunks arc, Tournament of Power arc, Moro arc, and Godly Granolah arc. Good shit. SuperCHADS NEVER LOSE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827280
Speaking of Nyanners, isn't she supposed to be an eldritch spirit or something? Does anyone know how powerful she is?

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>>11802266
Goku jobs to rocks and laser pistols.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827280
>>11800342
Pluck you >>11798263

[Anonymous No.]

>>11832894
Powerful enough to make /vt/ endlessly REEEE

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>>11798288
Do you find it... risible?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11833524
My friend....
CHUNGUS
AMONGUS

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>>11803167
Sana implied haachama is an entity from beyond our universe pre-debut.

My assumption is that haachama was isekai'd, somehow became an eldritch god location that was one with her new world, turned all life on that world into copies of her, then returned to our world through the mind of her sister because she was lonely. Would explain the origin and the current status.

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>>11825856
Show me one feat that Dragonball scaling actually exists. The biggest feat anyone in Dragonball has is vegeta's quick destruction of the bug planet. Everything else is characters saying how powerful they are and then fans extrapolating from that and Toriyama saying they are right.
Anyway, unless that laser the Mook in super was a solar system buster, your logic is deeply flawed.

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>>11833994
>As a Super Saiyan God, fought with a suppressed Beerus, and their clash both shook and was about to destroy the universe from its edge. Absorbed Super Saiyan God's power and became even stronger. Managed to overcome Beerus' energy nullification as a Super Saiyan, which easily nullified energy capable of destroying the universe. Destroyed a superior amount of energy that was going to destroy the universe with a single punch in his base form.
>Traded blows with a heavily suppressed Jiren, and shook the whole World of Void with his Ki alone.
I mean, these feats are visually indicated on-screen. Obviously they're not going to show the universe exploding since everyone would be dead but these aren't just "characters saying how powerful they are".

>Anyway, unless that laser the Mook in super was a solar system buster, your logic is deeply flawed.
I believe this is explained by Goku letting his guard down (because even their durability feats comes from Ki control apparently). There's an instance in DBZ that shows Goku getting hurt by a rock thrown by Krillin because he was sleeping and wasn't prepared for it.

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>>11834603
Nice post on the vtuber board anon. lol

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>>11834702
I mean this thread is about chuba lore in comparison to dragonball. Are only shitposts allowed?

[Anonymous No.]

I guess this is the correct thread to discuss this but I think JP and EN powerlevel are not that different. We always refer to human Holo like Noel as weak, but as a matter of fact, in whatever world the JP Holo are living in, a human can easily lift and throw a dragon (Noel did exactly this in HoloAlt trailer)
Make you wonder what the non-human JP Holo are actually capable of, maybe even Pekora can punch through metal.

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>>11834702
better than your post. bitch!

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>>11825856
Actually regarding Council. Are they just avatar created by god or are they actually the manifestation of the elements that made up the universe?
Like say, we have Kronii Baelz and Sana who I consider the 3 force that hold the universe together. If you somehow managed to kill them, would the universe instantly collapse? Like a program that got it's code deleted

[Anonymous No.]

Kakarot... This "Haachama" girl is pretty strong... I leave the rest... to you...

[Anonymous No.]

>>11834603
Bullshit. A shockwave that strong would have destroyed the earth. The earth is still standing, so this is all talk.

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>>11833607
https://youtu.be/LTcpdUrF4iM?t=714

I mean, according to COEXIST lore, (human) Haachama originally died because of a traffic accident in her youth. Given that Truck-kun also causes traffic accidents and isekais, this actually works as a plausible explanation.

I also noticed that every time Haachama dies (to Haato), she gets exponentially stronger (Solar System -> Universal -> Multiversal). Zenkai boost but death?

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>>11825856
Enlightened post.
Most Concept/Titles/Hax holos are featless and even then powerlevels trump special abilities as seen in Buuhan vs Vegito and Jiren va Hit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11835544
Arbitrary powerscaling based on talk isn't feats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11835042
No, they are just avatars of their respective domain.

>>11835219
The narrator literally confirms that they would destroy the universe. Stop wasting time with the DB side of powerscaling as if that wasn't discussed a million times already.

>>11814811
Kiara doesn't stand a chance because Goku knows hakai.
But even if he didn't have that, Kiara takes quite a while to rebirth and remember what she did previously so Goku would have plenty of time to rest and would never run out of stamina against her.

>>11834942
Depends how you look at it.
In Hologra they all have gag powers which are propably more powerful than what they'll have in alternative.

[Anonymous No.]

>powerscaling thread
>not using the Armageddon video as evidence
You guys just want to say that your oshi is op...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g2lalD4Lqc&list=PL1NeGg1woXqngQytLzL8lJJLYwmzk1Wuq&index=9

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>>11835902
Lel, that's mean if you killed this so-called Kronii person for example, another one will spawn to replace it

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>>11798114
A mere reverse babiniku can't surpass the Yagoo.

[Anonymous No.]

aha great thread anons

But is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Nanashi Mumei? Let alone defeat her. And I'm not talking about Hololive Council vtuber Mumei. I'm not talking about full-schedule Mumei with nothing to distact her either. Hell, I'm not even talking about hopium enhanced history stream Mumei without Omega and management to hold her back and her cape removed (which is proven to enhance her intelligence by multiple degrees), equipped with the power of civilization to allow her the power equal to gods of time, space, nature and chaos. I'm also not talking about Nanashi Mumei who has remembered her whole time of travelling the earth (which grants her full knowledge of every single human civilization to ever rise and fall throughout history, including the Roman Empire, the Qing Dynasty, the Ottoman Empire, the British Empire, the United States (post ww2 superpower mode) and even Alexander the Great's Kingdom at its greatest reach), her notebook fully restored (which grants her notes on every single Hololive member as well as tips on how to defeat each of them, even the hugely powerful Hololive Myth members) and is able to corrupt even the god of nature. I'm talking about Nanashi Mumei who has fully unlocked the Power of both civilization AND Lex Luther, which makes her a woman of unbridled genius and has allowed her to pull of multiple schemes within the council, which allows her to achieve a power above both the other gods AND the grand manipulator Omega Alpha, all while disguising as a complete retard and being seen as no threat even by the great detective Amelia Watson (even after she can use her watch to travel through multiple timelines and dimensions).

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>>11835042
Notice that in all of their official profiles, councils members are called: Speaker of "Space", Keeper of "Nature", Warden of "Time" etc., NOT that "they are Space/Nature/Time".

This indicates to me that they're not actually the concepts themselves, but beings created specifically to become avatars of their respective element.

Mumei in particular has explicitly said that she was not created by the god, so without feats she is probably relatively weak and might not even have powers.

...Except maybe Bae. In her profile, it claims that she is chaos itself.
>A member of the Council and the very concept of Chaos, birthed by the world, itself.
So she might actually be chaos given form. Thus, she is most likely the strongest in the council, and probably the reason she is the leader of them all.

But the problem is that since she has no feats, we don't know how powerful she really is. Given that she has existed since the genesis and was given a vessel by the gods (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOWi6Pclr48)), she could also be Universe level+ tier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11821384
Knowing this pic is from an actual stream is surreal, it feels like a shitpost someone would make here.
Fucking Nene, always on top, always innovating, always best wife.

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>>11835902
It doesn't matter what the narrator fucking says when that clearly isn't what's happening.
If DBZ characters were as powerful as they say they are kid but would have destroyed the earth with a casual wave of his hand while fucking around, but he was able to have full on impacts with that much force that did nothing but some localized terrain damage.
DBz/s is a series that wants to be about powerful characters without being able to make fights between such powerful characters, so they just say they're powerful.

And I won't drop this because you DBZ fucks ruin all fictional battle discussions with this bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11836395
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>11836417
Bealz is legit the one shouldering the universe. Her existence alone allowing things to be different from each other and nothing can be absolutely the same. Then other council member come after

[Anonymous No.]

>>11798114
But, is Goku strong enough to take on the Lamy clones?

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>>11836348
I mean if Kronii is killed and another avatar of time is spawn to replace it, would it even be Kronii anymore? That's not really the same as immortality/resurrective immortality IMO.

Also since the original Kronii is killed at that point the opponent has already won the battle as far as VS debates is concerned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11800065
>Goku
>Saying Faggot
You are not Goku. You are a pretender bitch.

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>>11835902
>In Hologra they all have gag powers which are probably more powerful than what they'll have in Alternative
I wouldn't take Hologra seriously. They seem to take the story more seriously in HoloAlt so I based my idea from that.
Noel could be a chosen one in the universe but for now all I know is that
>She is a human
>She can physically beat a dragon
Other non-human Holo should be able to do even more than that. Even the weakest monster should at least be on par with a normal human

[Anonymous No.]

>>11836673
Well that at least confirmed killing the Council won't lead to the universe collapsing. I was thinking about how would each Council "die" and the consequences that follow the other day

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>>11836417
>Mumei in particular has explicitly said that she was not created by the god, so without feats she is probably relatively weak and might not even have powers.
But that's wrong, she is the representative of civilization, she probably is the most dangerous of them all, underestimating sentient beings drive to overcome and thrive is the most common mistake in all works of fiction and reality as well

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Is there still a vtuber or any other character in general that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Momosuzu Nene now? Let alone defeat her. And I'm not talking about Suzumomo Nene. I'm not talking about Super Nenechi Pro either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Perfect Nenechi with God Steam (with the Ringfit Adventure) and sponsored by Akukin-Kensetsu, after eating gyoza for lunch. I’m also not talking about Nenemax 300k subs vtuber (which is capable of speaking Japanese, English and Spanish), her two wives Ina and Lamy and a third random tall guy clicking his tongue at her as he passes by. I'm definitely NOT talking about NENEMAXMAXMAXSTORONG with 4 parallel universe wives (Ina, Lamy, Matsuri, Okayu), equipped with sexy bikini while paying her employees 4 billion yen per hour after having become the CEO of Neneproduction, capable of glitching Craftopia bosses to only target her and pranking Flare in Minecraft, and having eaten Haachama's gyoza, tasted Botan’s chicken, and survived drinking one of Lamy’s shots.

I'm talking about Super Hyper Ultra Ultimate Deluxe Perfect Amazing Shining God 東方不敗 Master Ginga Victory Strong Cute Beautiful Galaxy Baby 無限 無敵 無双 Nenechi, with 5 Hololive auditions, 43 wives, 458K husbands, neverending IQ (π), Perfect Japanglish, and Spanish, and Portuguese, running on a 3080x Asacoco Antenna and wearing the new ultra rare 5-Star Isekai Princess skin, cofounder of world-famous Polka Hologram Circus, with infinite source of water and surprising gaming skills while able to sing La Lion and set herself on fire in Craftopia after having become the eternal CEO of Nenepro who punches and kicks every employee, after having disconnected while singing Connect with Kiara, as well as having her name flipped into ƎИƎИ and turned into a 3D cardboard decoy, unlocked the power of God from absorbing Matsuri’s snot on her body while wearing a sexy bikini and having eaten Haachama's tarantula-spicy-noodles while convincing Ame to trast her and having mastered singing Shiny Smiley Story in 11 different languages at the same time, right after marathoning iCarly and VICTORIOUS twice in a row??

[Anonymous No.]

>>11836550
Every single character + narrator + the author himself is stating that is what's happening. Stop being retarded and dragging the discussion down with what should be babby's first powerscaling. The reason they are not destroying more than what they actually do is because of Ki-control.

>>11836348
Could be necessary to always fill the slots of the council but like the other anon said, the next time avatar wouldn't be Kronii.

>>11836715
Well we see Pekora struggling to move a cart with some big Carrots so I don't think Noel's feats will necessarily scale to other holo members.

>>11836764
Mumei atleast has the biggest growth potential assuming she doesn't forget

[Anonymous No.]

>>11836764
Lol. The universe and nature would still exist without any civilization so that automatically place Mumei under Sana and Fauna
If anything Mumei is the youngest in Council. The absolute ranking among Council is Baelz>Kronii=Sana>Fauna>Mumei

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>>11832894
She's more powerful than you could possibly imagine, though it depends what Nyanner you're talking about. Nyanners, with an S, is a collective of all the clones derived from the Alpha-Nyan, a primordial creature beyond human understanding, thought to reside somewhere in outer space. The Nyanner clone we usually see is a few levels down in the chain of command, but is known to consume her weaker clones to get more powerful (rip Nyanders, you were a real one).

[Anonymous No.]

>>11836896
Like I said. Noel could be a special human, but for now we only know she is a human and she can physically bring down a dragon in HoloAlt
Maybe using Noel as a scale is a bit too inconsistent

[Anonymous No.]

>>11836550
>It doesn't matter what the narrator fucking says when that clearly isn't what's happening.
Shockwaves didn't destroy the Earth because Goku was applying a technique to negate the waves entirely. Can't believe I'm unironically scalefagging on a fucking vtuber board of all places.
>If DBZ characters were as powerful as they say they are kid but would have destroyed the earth with a casual wave of his hand while fucking around, but he was able to have full on impacts with that much force that did nothing but some localized terrain damage.
DBZ characters can minimize the destructive capacity of their attacks while still retaining the potency. Frieza can casually destroy planets with a single finger in his first form yet while fighting in his final form on Namek, the terrain didn't suffer much destruction as you'd expect. This isn't even exclusive to Dragon Ball either; you have multiple characters in different animes who can destroy cities or countries with their attacks, yet get hurt by simple punches that don't cause egregious shockwaves. If you want numerous examples of that, I can cite them.

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>>11836898
Actually I could put Mumei on top of Fauna since under extremely specific condition, a civilization can still exist without "nature"
Of course that depend on the definition of "nature" that Fauna represent
Mumei is definitely under Sana tho

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>>11836896
You're really going to tell me that kid Buu, a force of pure malice and destruction, is using ki control to not blow up the earth by moving? Also, if the shockwave is dampened by ki control then there would be no shockwave, let alone a shockwave that reaches the edges of the universe.

In this same post you are judging non DBZ characters by their actions and not by what they and other characters say they can do. This is why I hate you DBZ fucks, it's always a double standard done in favor of making your favorite characters as arbitrarily powerful as they say they are, if not more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11798445
Mr Popo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11836715
Hologra is another canon anyway, like HoloAlt. Not only is it a gag series but Marine has even said that hologura isn't canon.

She even pointed out that in Hologura, she somehow has more stamina than Suisei and is strong enough to put both Coco and Suisei in a giant jar.

Basically there's just too much contradictions in Hologura to the Stream canon for them to be the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11837528
Who's the strongest being in Hologra and why is it Sora?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11837076
>You're really going to tell me that kid Buu, a force of pure malice and destruction, is using ki control to not blow up the earth by moving?
NTA but I'm under the impression that Kid Buu didn't destroy everything because if he did there would be nothing he can interact with? He was searching for Goku and Vegeta to fight them right? So he had a legit reason to hold back his powers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11836699
You sure?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUjHtiF7nfY

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>>11837885

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>>11836909
https://twitter.com/nyannyanners/status/1384535827825393670
>It's real
Thanks anon. That's the third "collective" vtuber I know after Haachama and Pomu. Both Haachama and Pomu are also reality-benders so she's probably one of the most powerful vtubers out there too.

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>>11800352
biggus dickus?

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>>11837822
Daisenpai is an invincible shield and no Holo can penetrate it. Hell, they wouldn’t even dare touching her

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>>11798445
Speaking of Finana, TIL that she's a princess descended from a dragon sea god.
https://youtu.be/3JAXcwDydNI?t=669

She's actually one of the more powerful Nijis, lol

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>>11837845
You are correct. But don't bother with that guy, he's somehow more autistic than people writing paragraphs about db powerscaling in relation to hololive lore so it's a lost cause

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>>11835610
Man you're on every post huh? Cope and seethe elsewhere and let people have fun rumao

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>>11798114
Haachama eats goku

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>>11846486

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>>11798114
>Yo it's me Son Goku
>Yo

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>>11847123
I know! Should obviously be "Hi! It's me, Goku!"

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>>11847123
>Retarded Dub watcher
>Doesn't know goku's go to greeting is "Yo"
Do your reps nigger.

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>>11847329
>>11847180
You both replied to a spic.

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>>11847356
no tengo odio hacia los hispanohablantes. el seethe-o y dilate-o, pendejo

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TOWA MOGGS

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>jobs to caulifa

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>>11833568
holy kek

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>>11836395
don't care, she has a boyfriend

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>>11798114
ENTER

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>>11798114
HoloEN2 is the most OP so far.
If there's ever a HoloEN3, they will give even God Himself a run for His money.

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>>11861489
you seem to care about her boyfriend though

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>ctrl F aiba uiha
>ZERO mentions
Hello? This woman can balance on her head and beat the button punching game that Belmond played, the same guy who crushed a melon in his hand, and she can ride a motorcycle that in Japan, requires you to be able to fucking lift it before you get the license.

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>>11862109
>yeah her power is she can punch REALLY HARD
ok

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>>11815802
She's a sweetheart though and would never do that

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>>11861563
Pomu Pomu-Dono would manhandle tardku

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>>11798114

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>>11800065
Goku wouldn’t say that :(

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>>11836898
Mumei would have the greatest power scaling potential, as with sufficiently advanced civilization all facets can be bent to its whims. It would start out quite weak though.

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>>11798114
>Goku, I already knelt to Lammy-sama, and she's not even the strongest Holo..

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>>11836898
>>11836764
>>11837071
>>11871136
Good list and points. Taking lore and feats from both hololive and real life into account, the power level of the council members AT THE MOMENT is pretty much as follows:

Baelz (Universal+) > Kronii (Universal) > Sana (Solar System) > Fauna (Planetary) > Mumei (City-Country, via nuclear weapons)

(see >>11825856, >>11836417, and this post's picture for the reasoning behind the tier labels).

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But if we're talking about FULL POTENTIAL, then:

For Mumei, it's safe to assume that humanity will be able to conquer nature (>>11837071), as well as time, given the many instances of time travel in hololive. However, that's as far as Mumei go, seeing that Sana's "Space" is actually infinite in size as of her official profile:
>"Space" refers not only to this universe we live in, but all dimensions and matter to exist. It is a concept unbridled by definition, and one that continues to grow in scope limitlessly. As it is yet to be fully explored by man, her seemingly strange behavior and speech can be explained away with a simple, "Humanity simply isn't yet ready to understand."
I don't see humanity being able conquer something like that.

As mentioned above, Sana at full potential is infinite in size, which means she would surpass Kronii (as time is finite). However, she would not able to surpass Baelz since it's mentioned in the Prelude and Omen videos that Chaos will exist as long as Space does, and given that Baelz is superior to Sana at base, Sana sits just below her.

Therefore, the max potential tier list would be:

Baelz>Sana>Mumei>Kronii>Fauna

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I kneel to all vtubers...
Even you... Vshojo...

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Friendly reminder that Korone is OBJECTIVELY the strongest Holomem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzb07322beY
I don't care if the rest are time travelers, gods, the cosmos itself, death incarnate or immortals, Korone can and will beat the shit out of them.

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>>11833522
Based Gura

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>>11833522
I'm so happy that Nyanners is a literally who tier vtuber while Gura is effectively the new face of Hololive.

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>>11874252
I think you're underestimating Sana in your "at the moment" scaling. She's already massively bigger than the sun at full size, so even if she was just a regular human (at that size) she would be roughly solar system level but that doesn't take into account that she's also a apostel of the ancient ones and Yatagarasu is standard equipment for her so to add to her control over space she also has wish powers and the blessing of the ancient ones.
I think unless it's shown otherwise Sana and Kronii should be on the same tier since space and time are equal building parts of the universe and interwoven.

Also I'd be interested to know how you get to planetary Fauna, she can propably hurt much stronger living things via creating deadly bacteria and viruses or perhaps she can even manipulate living organism directly. It's also confirmed that the magic of her golden apple is just her own power so she propably has godly regen and is hard to put down.

Other than that I agree with your analysis.

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>>11798114
Goku drowns in Comet ringo juice

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"This isn't even my final form."

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>>11876563
For Sana, I examined Sana without Yatagarasu or The Ancient Ones since they're their own character. In her debut stream, we actually see her size in scale to the rest of the solar system, and there we can see that she's slightly bigger than the Sun, so I think it's fair to say she's most likely Solar System level assuming she can destroy the Sun.

If you include Yatagarasu then she would get boasted to Galactic level since Yatagarasu literally ate a galaxy in the same debut stream. Granting wishes is essentially the same as reality-bending, which is classified as a hax, meaning it's only as strong as its highest feat.

Being the apostle of the Ancient Ones doesn't really say much in terms of power level since we don't know how much this actually affects their power, see Ina. There's also the fact that we know so little about the Ancient Ones, so we can't really rank them either.

You point on "Sana and Kronii should be on the same tier since space and time are equal building parts of the universe and interwoven" do make sense, but IMO concrete proof like feats take precedence.

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Fauna being Planetary is a feat taken directly from her debut stream. Here, she restored the Earth destroyed by Sana.
https://youtu.be/iICu7NcUK4o?t=392

And again, while your speculations are reasonable, they're still just speculations, not based on facts or evidences, so it's not something I would say is proof that they're X tier. But to be fair, given that she restored everyone on Earth along with the planet, she's likely at the higher end of Planetary, or might even be at Large Planet level.

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>>11882503
Sana's officially stated size is almost 17million kilometer, which would look like that.
Since she never bothered to correct that scale, it's propably the most reasonable to assume that she can adjust her size to a lower degree even without the limiter.

Like I said, Yatagarasu is literally standard equipment for her so not including him only makes sense if you want to nerf her for a specific fight.

While you're right that it's impossible to quantify the power the ancient ones give to Sana, it's pretty much a given that it's considerable, the same applies to Ina, you wouldn't just scale her to be a regular human just because it's hard to quantify how much power she gets. Also the ancient ones are obviously a homage to the Cthulu Mythos and the fact that they still scale above Sana and the council means that it's fair to assume they just as powerful as they are in the original mythos (until proven otherwise).
Sana also has MFTL feat of traveling the universe to collect 50.000 of waterplanets + decently sized stars to make a suitable bath for her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAMu69w-dfA

I think the speculation I did on Fauna is quite literally the same as when you imply that Mumei is nuclear weapon level, there's no 100% concrete evidence but it's logical to assume that she's atleast on the level of "civilization" she protects, so I also think it's reasonable to assume that Fauna could use her powers in the way I implied, especially since she already demonstrated to be able to create/ restore life from nothing.

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>>11884187
>Sana's officially stated size is almost 17million kilometer, which would look like that.
Since she never bothered to correct that scale, it's propably the most reasonable to assume that she can adjust her size to a lower degree even without the limiter.
OK fair.

>Like I said, Yatagarasu is literally standard equipment for her so not including him only makes sense if you want to nerf her for a specific fight.
Living beings are considered standard equipment...? I would like to see a VS battle page that lists a living being as one.

>Also the ancient ones are obviously a homage to the Cthulu Mythos and the fact that they still scale above Sana and the council means that it's fair to assume they just as powerful as they are in the original mythos (until proven otherwise).
I know this is not what you meant, but assuming that just because something is a homage automatically means they're as powerful as the original is a logical fallacy IMO. That's like saying all parodies of Goku is automatically Universal+, which is obviously false. Assuming in general is something that should be avoided, as with inductive reasoning, there's always a chance of it being false, whereas there is basically no chance of it being false if you use evidences and facts. And besides, we actually don't know how strong Cthulu Mythos beings are on the power scale; we only know that they're NOT actually gods but rather god-like alien beings.

Also, nice Sana feat btw.

>I think the speculation I did on Fauna is quite literally the same as when you imply that Mumei is nuclear weapon level, there's no 100% concrete evidence
Strictly speaking I shouldn't have assumed that Mumei is equal to the level of "civilization" she protects. But other than that she has no feat and hasn't shown any powers so she would be at Human level if we were to be serious about power scaling (which I did for everyone else in the council)... but that's not as fun.

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>>11885525
>Living beings are considered standard equipment...? I would like to see a VS battle page that lists a living being as one.
It would be sorta like trying to scale Ash without his Pokemon. (They are included in his profile on vs wiki)

>I know this is not what you meant, but assuming that just because something is a homage automatically means they're as powerful as the original is a logical fallacy IMO.
It can be a fallacy but only if it would conflict with established lore.
For example if in a story an attack is stated to have the power of the sun, you would automatically assume that sun is our star and not a much smaller one (fiction could have a star that even a normal human could easily extinguish but you would only assume that if it's noted somewhere)
Because we don't have any info on the ancient ones, the only resonable guess to scale them is to look at the mythos they originated from.

Cthulu Mythos goes all the way up to basically omnipotence (Azathoth) and while there's not many feats of pure destruction from them, they have ungodly hax.
I think it's also interesting to note that seeing Sana's Yatagarasu true form is implied to drive people mad, which sounds similiar to most of the gods in lovecraft's mythos.

Fauna literally proclaims she's mother nature and thus it's reasonable to assume she created all life, which would obviously include deadly bacteria. Now that I rewatched the part you linked earlier she even said that she only required a small amount of power of her golden apple to restore earth and all life and since we know that the apple's power is literally just her own power she should propably scale much higher than her feat.
Also when it comes to her regen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKeA9X7m2gk&t=150s
She's implying here that she literally can come back from nothingness by just eating the golden apples she can spawn at will.

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>>11887286
>It would be sorta like trying to scale Ash without his Pokemon. (They are included in his profile on vs wiki)
Alright, I'll let you off with that.

>Now that I rewatched the part you linked earlier she even said that she only required a small amount of power of her golden apple to restore earth and all life and since we know that the apple's power is literally just her own power she should propably scale much higher than her feat.
OK, in that case her tier would be "At least 5-B (Planet level), likely higher", meaning she would win against opponent of the same tier as Planetary+X level.

So I suppose for Sana, her tier would be:
4-B (Solar System level). At least 3-C (Galaxy level) with Yatagarasu, likely higher

>She's implying here that she literally can come back from nothingness by just eating the golden apples she can spawn at will.
How could she eat the apple if she became nothingness...? I think what they meant is that even if she was killed and is sent to hell, she can resurrect herself at any time, so that would make her effectively resurrective immortal.

While this doesn't directly say anything about her tier, it does tell us that she's one of the few 'immortal' hololive characters, which is very impressive. The other ones being only Kiara (limited resurrective immortality) and Watame (resurrective immortality) afaik.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mz1SUs1uMo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsV6OOt2ZpM
https://twitter.com/tsunomakiwatame/status/1306565212451950593

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>>11887286
>It would be sorta like trying to scale Ash without his Pokemon. (They are included in his profile on vs wiki)
Alright, I'll let you off with that.

>Now that I rewatched the part you linked earlier she even said that she only required a small amount of power of her golden apple to restore earth and all life and since we know that the apple's power is literally just her own power she should propably scale much higher than her feat.
OK, in that case her tier would be "At least 5-B (Planet level), likely higher", meaning she would win against opponent of the same tier as Planetary+x level, x being a small number.

So I suppose for Sana, her tier would be:
4-B (Solar System level). At least 3-C (Galaxy level) with Yatagarasu, likely higher

>She's implying here that she literally can come back from nothingness by just eating the golden apples she can spawn at will.
How could she eat the apple if she became nothingness...? I think what they meant is that even if she was killed and is sent to hell, she can resurrect herself at any time, so that would make her effectively resurrective immortal.

While this doesn't directly say anything about her tier, it does tell us that she's one of the few 'immortal' hololive characters, which is very impressive. The other ones being only Kiara (limited resurrective immortality) and Watame (resurrective immortality) afaik.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mz1SUs1uMo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzwUSWRASeI
https://twitter.com/tsunomakiwatame/status/1306565212451950593

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Ironically being unironic is still unironically retarded