/#/ - Numbers thread

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[Anonymous No.]

ccv + sc
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

[Anonymous No.]

It's quite impressive how HoloGra manages to get 1m views with almost every episode despite being a weekly series. That's really good number.

[Anonymous No.]

>Miko won a day
Got boosted thanks to Nijisanji
>Luna got a day
Was literally in Nijisanji and was given a boost by them.
>Subaru
Honorary Niji.

Nijisanji can still win the month now that we have acquired new logic.

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>>11936273
dont forget that pekora applied to nijisanji too so she's an honorary niji

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>>11936273
How mad is kuzufag right now?
He must have thought "king is gonna win the day" but Miko just...stole it...

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>TOP WINNERS OF THE DAY - OCTOBER 2021

1) Korone (Hololive) - 71k - Birthday 3D
2) Ayame (Hololive) - 86k - 3D Concert
3) Hal (Indie) - 57k - CR lottery
4) Noel (Hololive) - 101k - Outfit Reveal
5) Fubuki (Hololive) - 72k - Birthday 3D
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 45k - Minecraft (ENxSubaru)
7) Subaru (Hololive) - 93k - 3rd Anniversary
8) Pekora (Hololive) - 26.2k - Mario Kart 8DX
9) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 53.4k - CR Cup Tournament
10) Luna (Hololive) - 57k - Birthday 3D
11) Pekora (Hololive) - 52k - TotsuClubhouse51
12) Subaru (Hololive) - 38k - Card Unboxing with Luna
13) Kanae (Nijisanji) - 54k - Outfit Reveal
14) Pekora (Hololive) - 36k - Minecraft
15) Naraka (Nijisanji) - 53k - 3D Debut
16) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 33k - Blazing Sails Niji Tournament
17) Pekora (Hololive) - 39.4k - Judge Eyes
18) Pekora (Hololive) - 39.5k - Summer craft championship
19) Suisei (Hololive) - 83.5k - Outfit Reveal
20) Subaru (Hololive) - 26.4k - Minecraft
21) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 63.2k - Survival Island End Stream
22) Pekora (Hololive) - 32.2k - Minecraft
23) Hal (Indie/Merise) - 45k - Merise Announcement
24) Miko (Hololive) - 65k - Sportfes Announcement

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder when can we see Vshojo being top 1 of the day

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>Hologra
Does Nijisanji has similar thing?

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>>11936664
Break 30k first without it being a charity

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>>11936721
That was a front page of twitch thing, nothing to do with the charity, Nyanners donos go direct to charity every stream these days.
Think you'd need the combo of front page + a couple of big raids.

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>>11936819
We don't count raids though. Has anything from Twitch even won a daily slot?

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>>11936839
Not since this started to get tracked I don't think.
Nemu might have won at one point IF you count raids, but again, raids.

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>>11936839
Who really pays attention? There's like 7 pekoras in there every day. It's a pointless list.

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>>11936890
King dropped his crown a month ago. Pekora had always been the Queen of vtubers.

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>>11936721
What is Vshojo's market cap by the way?
Their top 3 talents ironmouse & nyanners & veibae all can hit 10k continuously but their collabs never hit 30k

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Nijisanji pays Youtube to get on trending and still can't beat Hololive.

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>>11937069
based on the numbers when those 3 and more have been on at the same time probably 20-30k

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>>11936839
Nimu outfit reveal got #1 once, no?

[Anonymous No.]

Have there been any 3 person watchalongs in Holo recently? The only one I can think of was the Mio/Korone/Subaru horror watchalong which was over a year ago. Just curious as to what the numbers might be for this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLWAUX-sH7Q

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>>11936819
>Nyanners donos go direct to charity every stream these days.

any specific reason?

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>>11937218
twitch counts you multiple times on ccv if you have multiple streams open. A big off collab would be more accurate.

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>>11936382
>Don't forget his brother Hal stole his win yesterday too

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>>11937254
Gura and/or mori had a two person watchalong, numbers were above 10k iirc

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>>11937301
Wasn't the matrix watchalong then, I know that one only peaked at a bit above 9k
IMO, as a triple? Maybe it breaks 10k, maybe not. If it was on Gura's channel I'd say it might break 10k, but geh, watchalong numbers hard to guess.

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>>11936580
>Is Hal the most top-heavy vtuber in the world?
He can take the day but also sub 2k

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>>11937268
She makes enough from subs, youtube, sponsors etc. Unlike most twitch-tubers she doesn't have tts messages or sound alerts and generally has bit donos turned off. Usually just tells people who ask to support smaller streamers instead.

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>>11937396
His streaming career will forever be tied to Apex. But that's okay, if he keeps going in his direction and host apex tournaments, he might be the face of Apex in the Japan's Apex competitive scene. These days, which apex tourneys gets around 100k+ viewership anyway and a $15k prize pool.

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>>11892334
>>11892377
I'm gonna play with these numbers a bit, maybe do some analysis myself. I've never taken a stats class before but I have taken several courses on probability so the learning curve might not be that big. I just want to see the degree of how fat the top is vs how lean the middle is. We know it to be true but having it in easier to digest chunks seems fun and If I have the data we can see the history unfold. I'm not sure how or where you get your data.

I'll have to learn how to use R since I don't have access to matlab license without shelling out $1500...

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>>11937274
They don't do many official collabs, maybe get a better idea on the first anniversary next month.

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>>11937274
>So that's why overlapping doesn't affect Vshojo
That also tell us their market cap is smaller than we thought

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>>11937274
It really skews numbers on Twitch since you can have multiple tabs count as a view and raids move all inactive users to a new stream without any action iirc

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>>11937498
Torrent it... $1500 for matlab is a scam but the software is too good.

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I read that you can't watch more than 2 streams per IP address and still be counted as a viewer on twitch

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>>11937498
ctrl+f "mado"

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I wonder if Minecraft JP will tweet something about the sport festival.

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>>11937626
lel, turns out I did a portable install of 2018a on an old machine and my student license with all the tool boxes is permanent
Time to numberfag

>>11937648
Do we know what scripts he used to scrape?

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wait, why do they play sports on Minecraft again?
They should play Fifa pro clubs or something like that.

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>>11937498
>I'll have to learn how to use R since I don't have access to matlab license without shelling out $1500...
Just use Excel, niggers. That’s what I use
>SQL (whatever RDBMS)and Excel 97 for charts

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>>11938121
>Do we know what scripts he used to scrape?
I write them for the purpose. If you open developers tools on mado hourly and watch the “network” tab you’ll see what is the URL for their json files.
For that I write a simple loop that
1) fetches the json for the day
2) turn it into whatever format I need to import on whatever SQL server I’m using
3) upload the table with it
It’s basic stuff.

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>>11938191
>wait, why do they play sports on Minecraft again?
Mel showing up, sniping Aki from a mile away on her “flight competition” right before her landing and being the hero of her team is something that no vidya can really reproduce.

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>>11937069
do melody's chaturbate views count?

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>>11938264
Oh, so magic, Got it! (I kid, but the amount of people who don't even have basic tech literally is kind of sad)
Looking at the current HoloEN schedule for tonight, the only thing that looks like it'll clear 10k is IRyS minecraft at 9pm PST/12midnight EST. The watchalong MIGHt break 10k if only because the novelty of a trio watchalong, but doubtful it gets more than that.

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Why is YTJapan being so biased with Nijisanji? I get that they're popular but there's no reason to be too one sided.

>shilling the 4 faggots on their island orgy
https://mobile.twitter.com/YouTubeJapan/status/1452092492963368963 (14 Hours ago)

>shilling chizono
https://mobile.twitter.com/YouTubeJapan/status/1451171943907004419 (Oct 21)

>Nijisanji best moments
https://mobile.twitter.com/YouTubeJapan/status/1449357990822354946

>popular right now
>merise announcement & Kuzuha among us
>No sight of Hologra/Sportfest

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>>11938506
Money.

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>>11938506
They appear on yt trending for some reason, so Nijisanji gets shilled.

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Which segment of vtuber has more EOP fans, YT or Twitch?

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>>11938506
Niji needs all the help they can get.

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>>11938506
Given how YT trending + popular works, you bet your ass someone's manually checking and approving this shit. Only really needs 1-2 people that think Niji>Holo on staff to result in this, and if no one raises a stink about it or if its one of the higher ups doing it, no one in YT JP will care.

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>>11938219
I know how to use matlab but I don't really know how to use excel.
>>11938264
Oh, I can do that as long as I can get the json.

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>>11938506
because Nijisanji is more popular than Hololive in Japan.

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>>11938560
YT just due to the fact that twitch vtubing is still pretty small

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>>11938616
>Oh, I can do that as long as I can get the json.
Address of Mado json is:
https://asia-northeast1-niji-mado.cloudfunctions.net/hourly?date=2021-10-23&v=2

Just loop through the dates all the way back to 2021-07-17, the first day it is available

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>>11938506
they pay

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>>11938560
YT, because it all starts with Hololive JP, and blows up with HoloEN for the vast majority of the EOP vtuber watchers. Vshojo wasn't created until November of last year, once Myth took off.

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>>11938867
Okay, thanks for digging that for me. I wasn't looking in the right place.

I wish the database went back further.

[Anonymous No.]

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>65,058: Miko (Hololive)
>51,479: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>35,292: Pekora (Hololive)
>29,311: Gura (Hololive)
>20,257: Subaru (Hololive)
>19,356: Mito (Hololive)
>18,618: Shibuya Hal (Indie)
>17,479: Mumei (Hololive)
>16,604: Ina (Hololive)
>14,268: Nene (Hololive)
>14,112: Rushia (Hololive)
>14,047: Kronii (Hololive)
>13,918: Fubuki (Hololive)
>12,816: Shibuya Hal (Indie)
>12,678: Kanata (Hololive)
>12,481: kson (Indie)
>12,064: Okayu (Hololive)
>11,622: Nene (Hololive)
>11,568: Watame (Hololive)
>11,407: Morinaka Kazaki (Nijisanji)
>11,188: Ange Katrina (Nijisanji)
>11,122: Nui Sociere (Nijisanji)
>11,006: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>10,723: Fuwa Minato (Nijisanji)
>10,469: Botan (Hololive)
>10,009: Calli (Hololive)

A feast for numberfags, a strong day overall

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>>11939123
Nice. Fubuki shill stream doing well too.

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>>11939123
now all we need is to get pegora #1 on sportfes day and christmas collab is confirmed

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>>11939182
Huh, Fubuki likes and dislikes are visible again. When did she turn that on?
I guess the sponsorships wanted that metric.

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Hololive still has the MK tournament (Dec) after this sport fes. (Nov). And then new year stuffs (Jan).

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>>11939123
17 Hololive
6 Nijisanji
3 Indie

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>>11939309
They prob have another bloom on february? Not that great ccv wise but big event.
Also valentines voice packs.

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>>11939309
No breaks huh. Wait till they debut JP 6 wherever they are...

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>>11939123
was mito playing "porn" again

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>>11939338
Don't think they give a shit about concert free portion CCV when concert sales make them millions.

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>>11939488
A free portion is basically a trial edition.

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>>11939478
Looks that way to me

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>>11939123
>Mito - Hololive
Anon...

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>>11939662
Huh, took a while for anyone to find any error in the list.
Nice eyes anon.

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>>11939662
>>11939687
kek, too late to fix it.

You all guys fix it with your eyes.

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>>11939717
Mito is honorary hololive now, daily anon proclaims it.

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>>11938943
how many EN viewers are actual EOPs though? I guess at least half of them are ESLs

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>>11939746
ehh why? what did I miss?

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>>11940380
Slight misprint

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>>11939309
the MK tournament is in January.
Holofes is in December.

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>>11939309
Outfit reveal for Myth in November (probably)

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>>11939123
any particular reason why its a top 26?

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>>11940824
Anon counts all 10k ccv

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>>11940824
Cutting point is 10k

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>>11940752
And HoloEN 3D debut. Posting this leak with no survivors

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>>11940870
>>11940878
i see. pretty good day if there are 26 of them
>>11941066
Nenechi leaking more 3D debutes? its more likely than you think!

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>>11938506
The trend page DOES JACK shit
if you belive dildo man when he interviewed susan.

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>>11939310
13-12, a close game.
7 for niji plus 2 for hal and 1 from FBK, Subaru, and Miko each since they owe their views to Nijisanji.

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>>11941734
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>Two strongest Gen 3 : Pekora, Marine
>Two strongest Gen 2 : Subaru, Aqua
>Strongest EN : Gura
>Strongest ID : Moona
Gen 1...Gen 4...Gen 5...

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>>11941066
Not happening until the chinky flu is over

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>>11937234
>>11936867
>>11936839
Yes, Nimu's outfit reveal
https://twitchtracker.com/nimuvt/streams/43705647341
No big raid boost either, just a clean buildup to 45,997 when she revealed it.
A deserved win.

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>>11937274
>twitch counts you multiple times on ccv if you have multiple streams open
That is a blatantly wrong. Twitch only counts you as an active viewer on 1 stream, the latest opened.
If you have 2 or more open and you have an account you can clearly see in the account dropdown "X is watching stream Y" and only 1 of the streams eventually gets your view.

I think this is what YT was trying to copy but by almost all experiments, they fucked it up and YT doesn't consider you an active viewer even if you're in another active tab but have that stream as the only YT tab opened. Twitch considers you a viewer if the stream is in a bg tab but you have no other Twitch streams active.

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>>11942474
>>11937274
both of you should show real quotes instead of worthless
empty claims.

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>>11939123
Sorry for being a newfag, what site do you use to get this? I checked the links below the OP, but didn't find it

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>>11942794
https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/ plus manually adding the ones missing

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>>11942784
I will only spoonfeed this once
https://twitter.com/TwitchSupport/status/1184540919447601153

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>>11943111
>2019

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>>11939123
>>11936580
Poor Kuzuha, had day winning performances 2 times in a row but was outdone by company-wide announcements.

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>>11943754
Some tech companies are still using technology from 2014 and older. Twitch hasn't removed that feature. Unless you can provide an official statement.

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>>11943754
>2019
oh nyoo~

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>>11943871
Considering the code was leaked, someone could just go and check.

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>>11942005
Mori doko?

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>>11943111
Very strange, i specifically did a test with 2 1 viewer streamers before posting this
>>11942474
Only 1 of them was listed in my profile as "watching stream Y" and i said "eventually gets your view" because it took like 3 minutes for the number of viewers to change to 2.
>>Oct 2019
Ah, i see.
Outdated it is.

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>>11944055
Apparently a recording session that can't be rescheduled.

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>>11944233
>i specifically did a tested
sure you did

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>>11945111
nta but it's really not that complicated
go do your own 'tested'

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder who's the one that choses the team captains because pekora didn't even know she was the captain kek

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>>11945111
Just go on Twitch, open 2-3 streams and see what happens. It's not hard anon.
Or would you rather spend hours here arguing about things you apparently don't know much about.

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>>11944233
>>11944325
>>11945111
>>11945314
>>11945983
I did it, nobody keeps at 0 viewers
you can all stop being retarded now

[Anonymous No.]

I tested on twitch. I picked two random 1views and made them into two views. I got counted twice.

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>>11946118
>>11946140
You guys did check the viewer list to conform, right?

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>>11946302
Guests are counted, but not listed.

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>>11946302
viewer list is not the ccv
>Viewer Count vs. Viewer List
>People watching without an account are tallied in the Viewer Count but not shown on the Viewer List because they do not have a username and cannot chat. Some 3rd party tools show the Viewer List as a raw number and may refer to it by a different name, such as viewers. It should be noted that this is not the same as the Viewer Count.
https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/understanding-viewer-count-vs-viewer-list?language=en_US

[Anonymous No.]

I don't get it
I picked a random 1 view, they stayed at 1 viewer, I checked the list and it had 2 viewers and neither of them were me

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>>11946833
>neither of them were me
well that should have been your clue

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I did some tests on YouTube with streams that had no viewers
Tabbing out and having multiple tabs did not affect the viewer count
I think that is time to stop coping and accept twitch's numbers too

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>>11949251
Same anon here. There was a mistake in my test. It turns out anons were right

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>>11946118
Well, i have to apologize then, took my own experience as the norm (only counted once) when more anons managed to get multiple streams to count them... and then there's this anon
>>11946833
I'm thinking region might also affect it, but we'd need a much bigger sample size than what we have here.

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>>11943111
dont forget the legal viewbot aka auto play embed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUa0kbNZ7c4

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>>11950762
damn, twitch is really broken

[Anonymous No.]

21.5k

[Anonymous No.]

how is Fauna winning this? She was literally the worst numbers in amongus

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>>11952262
this is her usual timeslot
kaira is way late, and mori and bael are way earlier.

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>>11936046
i make it a point not to watch ecchi anime, because they always pull this sort of cuck shit at you. even just ecchi moments are a tease, it fucks you up as a kid.

anyways I watched a 2view do i think a 1 hour stream and her viewcount went up by 3. feels good.

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>>11952731
i dont think thats it, the difference of timeslots of this phasmo to the amongus i was comparing to is just 2 hrs

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>>11937268
There seems to be a culture of donation-shaming on Twitch nowdays. No idea why this has become a thing but it's pretty much exclusive to Twitch for the time being.

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>>11952958
2hrs is enough of a difference.

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>>11939962
Someone who speaks fluent English and say, Estonian or Italian, is for the purposes of vtuber meta discussion, effectively an EOP.

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>>11952262
The dynamics of a 10-person collab are a lot different. Some of the people who like say, Ina or Gura might have Fauna as their higher preference Holo over the other three in the collab. And yes, this is sort of her timeslot over the other 3.

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>>11953004
Maybe it happened because the leak

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>>11953476
I don't really follow twitch but it seems to predate that. I guess Pokemane has been doing that with her donations for like over a year? Maybe something to do with a panic about "on no people are donating all their money and being taken advantage of" and people using charity to alleviate this complaint while still making money off the other aspects. I remember twitch having some pretty vicious infighting about donations to the point of even banning the word simp while on youtube it's basically a non-issue.

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>>11953476
its kinda dumb though, most of the money they made and that we could see on that leak was made from subs, not donos.

[Anonymous No.]

Sundays have odd viewer numbers, most of the world is getting ready for Monday and there's no outflow from people getting back from jobs/school.

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>>11953704
Most viewers don't have a problem with donations or the numbers leaked. The only one that was criticized was Hasan but the complaints came from outside Twitch.

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>>11937268
Donating to charity is tax deductible.

[Anonymous No.]

Bae took the top spot with her overreacting. While I personally find it a bit annoying some people seem to be into it.

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>>11955544
It's goes from the viewer to the charity through tiltify so I don't think she touches it although she agreed to match the first 10k raised so that part would be deductible I guess

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>>11952094
Kronii reading SCs got more CCV than Kiara in a collab rumao

[Anonymous No.]

this CCV for EN prime time is pretty bad
it needs Gura and Kronii

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>>11953004
>>11953476
It's "simp-shaming" - any form of support is "simping" for them. E.g. give $1 for donation goal, simp; buy their shirt because you like it, fucking simp; etc.
Although it doesn't seem to extend to male streamers

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>>11955787
I don't know anything about how the donation system on Twitch but wouldn't it have to go through her streamlabs or Twitch account and then to a charity?
>>11955829
Anon, Kiara has 5.2k right now.

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>>11955983
>Although it doesn't seem to extend to male streamers
"Donating to a millionaire lulw"

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>>11955983
That's always been the case.
Donating to male streamers is support while donating to female streamers is simping.
That said, I wonder if Youtube will drop Valkyrae as their posterchild over her drama (she's scamming her fans by selling them cream that protects their skin from blue light from monitors or something).

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>>11955984
Donos never go through twitch but do usually through streamlabs. In this case though the link takes you directly to tiltify instead of streamlabs.

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>>11950762
>Top streamers can legally viewbot
>Embed streams counts as a view
>Front page twitch counts as a view
>Muted tabs, multiple tabs counts as a view
Kek, I'm not surprised that in the future, sponsors would just opt for YT to do ads. Sure, ad block blocks your ads, but it doesn't count as a viewer if the theory works. Multiple tabs/embed links doesn't count as a viewer, then there's really thousands of people watching Holos/Nijis from a phone or with no ad block on. It works because you only get one ad from the start of the stream and that's it.

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>>11956173
>YT dropping a top streamer
nah, it's a slap to the wrist

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>>11956961
companies prefer you tube to twitch already. Twitch is going trough what youtube went were they need to make profit of their platfrom.
irght now Twitch is still the defact streaming site but it feels like in the long run it will be replace by you tube if they dont step it up.

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>>11957235
YT goes after top Youtubers all the time, it's not uncommon.
Twitch 100% coddles their top streamers and gives them 100 chances while instabanning smaller creators or those on their shit list.

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>>11952262
Maybe cause Fauna's the most competent one in that lineup, kinda like how Ina can be the higher one when splitting the collab views despite Gura, Mori and Ame being higher than her in their solo streams.

[Anonymous No.]

Slow night

[Anonymous No.]

Okay. To summarize from the testing you anons have done...
-Twitch counts can be 'inflated' by multi-tab, autoplay embeds, front page views etc and also has raids
-Youtube culls multitabs down to only one view, being the latest active tab, and doesn't count some of the other stuff Twitch does, including potentially adblocked users

Given their info, is it safe to say that views for Taitcj and YouTube can never be compared 1:1 we've again, and any Anon that does so is a fool? I still think there is value in keeping with the trends in Twitch numbers, but it's clear 10k ccv you YouTube is NOT the same as 10k CCV on Twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm rewatching the SportFes vod and I just realized they were rushing the announcement. It would have been a numberfag thing to do to reveal the games 1 by 1, so as the participants 1 member each per team simultaneously.

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>>11938219
>Excel
Anon, this is 2021, you fucking barbarian

[Anonymous No.]

>>11959146
Hey, we still use knives as weapons, why begrudge the humble Excel when it still works?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11958329
Also, youtube is not a streaming platform, it's a video sharing platform, so its algorithms work differently.
Youtube isn't likely to recommend a livestream any more than any 5 minute shitpost, so discoverability has more to do with thumbnails, titles, and regular uploads than streaming consistency.

[Anonymous No.]

8.8k for the watchalong, dropping now that the movie's started.
>>11959476
I'm pretty sure livestreams do get recommended more if you watch a lot of livestreams, but once they're VOD form they go into the algo all the same. One of those things YT does, like they were pushing community posts.

[Anonymous No.]

So, apparently someone on NijiEN's side blocked a Pomu/Kiara collab. Who and why? It probably wasn't Pomu. Is there a numbers justification? I don't see one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962722
Where did you hear it from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962722
probably management however kiara never mentioned pomu herself people are jsut assuming.
It could have been VEI

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962756
From this post >>11961550
https://streamable.com/3ykpbk
>>11962722
You sure it was from Niji's side and not HoloEN middlemanagement? We KNOW they're a bunch of goddamn tyrants wrt collabs, and from a purely numbers perspective they're right to deny ANY NijiEN collabs. After all, why give an upstart any breathing room?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962722
Probably more on the HoloEN side, they have a track record for denying or making it as hard as possible to collab with outsiders.
I think it took Mori months to get the Milky collab and she's a personal friend and a Japanese based vtuber who represents a Japanese store.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963010
Based management, Cover I kneel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963010
>they are tyrants with collabs
i mean mori is collabing with with bogey, collabed with milky and vshoujo.
i think it was someone else beside pomu.

[Anonymous No.]

She didn't mention anyone, it could be veibae again which is understandable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11938506
Nijisanji is big as fuck in japan, also add the fact that most of nijisanji were in niconico, and they all moved to youtube, so they have deep connections there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11958329
>autoplay embeds
Thats the shit Fextralife does right?
>>11952262
Wasn't Fauna among those who died the fastest in Among Us? Ghosts aren't that fun to watch.

[Anonymous No.]

>People still listening to whatever Kiara says.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11943821
Well its not like he was doing a normal stream too. It was a big ass collab with non-randos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963084
They seemed pretty happy to approve Trash taste and vshojo, though. Given pomu's a much safer pick than those two in terms of content, I guess it has to be a business competition decision.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963597
Yes. Fauna got off'd really early pretty often. It was quite unfortunate but she was vibin' as a ghost so she at least enjoyed herself.
>>11963617
It's interesting only in that it's more confirmation that HoloEN management is ridiculously stingy wrt collabing, and even with the collabs listed by >>11963123 , they took their sweet fucking time. The way she says this shit, this is really why less and less people except for saviorfags stick around watching her. I don't watch vtubers to get sucked into pity-party bullshit, and it turns off many more casual viewers as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11936695
Yes. They recently added subs this year I think but its pretty boring. Himawari also does some. Other vtubers too since animated skits was a thing back in the 4-kings era with stuff like Gamebu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963010
Kiara seems weak to sycophants. I hope this person does actually like Kiara and not Kiara's name and station.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963876
>I hope this person does actually like Kiara and not Kiara's name and station.
If they actually liked Kiara and wanted to be friends, they could just play together offstream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963597
>Thats the shit Fextralife does right?
oh that little player that appears whenever you want to check any guide in their web? man that's dirty as fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963836
>they took their sweet fucking time
like most outside collabs. To make sure nothing yabai jappens or you will have the OTV collab of niji.
>I don't watch vtubers to get sucked into pity-party bullshit
you dont watch many chubas then

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963938
If you actually go their twitch, you'll see numbers that don't match the dead chat.

[Anonymous No.]

Mumei's back to matching Kronii's subrate, is this an effect from all the breaks Kronii put or has Mumei upping her streaming caused it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963960
Fair point, I could just imagine the utter shitstorm that would be all over YT, Twitter and Reddit if HoloEN had been a part of a horrid collab with an outside group. On the many chubbas part...fair. I've noticed a lot of that sorta thing comes out more during the SC readings, and I usually don't stick around too much for those just due to time constraints.
>>11964061
That's hilariously scummy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963010
>>11962722
We're not even sure yet if it was Pomu. I think its someone from Vshojo.
But if were holo management, why would i let a holoEN/nijiEN collab to happen.
There is the possibility people might like nijiEN and jump ship. HoloEN won't gain anything from it

[Anonymous No.]

>>11964300
Why not both?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11964061
so one could literally make a private website with that thing and lead a shit ton of bots to increase view numbers, what a broken platform

[Anonymous No.]

If any of you wants to discuss Kiara's collab, you should go to KFP thread, instead of drama baiting one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11964300
Mumei's strong design+voice combo is too good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11964365
I doubt it's an issue of draining numbers since they boost their Mamas a lot. Kiara already collabed with Tamaki as well. Has done spons collab with the dude from Tales and shadowverse. Mori has done one with Milky and will be doing a song with Boogey Vox. Also Mori did have connor and grant training thing. Ina collabed with Pikamee too. I think NijiEN is just too young to Vet. Most especially with the addition of that Nina girl that were using coco baits in her rus zatsu. Maybe if they survive yab free for a year they will approve it. Yab free I mean in public, not here in 4chan. I forgot that vshojo collabs happened as well. so there you go.

[Anonymous No.]

Would be funny if Cover permitted every other collab EXCEPT Niji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11965207
But NijiEN is a direct competitor of HoloEN.
VShojo have a pass because they're on a different platform and collabing with them may get them a few twitch only fans.
NijIEN however offers almost nothing to HoloEN (and Niji bows to chinks)

[Anonymous No.]

>>11965355
If they did, they will forever be based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11965548
Boosting has never been proven to work with HoloTalents. You have to collab with a holo religiously to get a mass transfer. Holofans are unironically just like applefags. If you ain't a holo. you probably not going to get a boost and if you did it will be temporary and superficial

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966187
it's not the same since apple devices don't offer anything unique.
Almost all other vtubers arent idols and even when they are, they aren't such a well formed group of idols.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966187
Well Maybe that's right but we're talking about management here. Management won't take such risks.
HoloJP can collab freely with NijiJP because they're big in Japan and most of the jp talents are friends with each other personally unlike NijiEN & HoloEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962722
Here's your answer
>and Niji bows to chinks
>>11965548

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966334
I'm talking about the tribalism. Not what they are offering. A normie holo will only a holo because fuck there is so many of them. That's how they get you. The uniformity in branding while stilling providing individual experiences because the people they hire are different shades of autistic

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966393
There's literally two (2) people in NijiEN and HoloEN who are friends which is Kiara and Pomu.
Not only the boost will be weak, there's not quite any other follow up collabs you could do with other members as well.
>>11966420
And this kek, people keep forgetting about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966500
Nope, it's because they offer something unique. Plenty of faggots have left, more than likely the type who weren't paying for things like 2nd fes

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966420
If that's the case, wouldn't it make more sense if NijiEN was the side who turned the collab down instead? Not wanting to hurt their Chink market and all

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966500
>I'm talking about the tribalism. Not what they are offering. A normie holo will only watch a holo because fuck there is so many of them. That's how they get you. The uniformity in branding while still providing individual experiences because the people they hire are different shades of autistic
Fucking typos. Anyways. There was some data that about 30% of the twitter followers of holos follows the majority of the other holos. Maybe bigger. I forgot. This is not the case for Nijis though. It was really low compared to Holo

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966690
>H-Holo management bad!!
So it's gonna be their fault, at least according to this board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966626
>Plenty
If we are talking about Market cap here and assume that NijiEN's generous market cap of 25k all came from the 129k market cap of HoloEN than I'm afraid to say those numbers are going down. It's actually worse now that NijiEN3 came in to the picture. Cannibilizing is more like what is happening here between the nijien chuubas

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966694
Because they're not an idol group.

[Anonymous No.]

Today's superchats

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966903
Did I say they were? That's why I used applefags. Tribalism. The curated experience and all that. It doesn't matter if you are watching them for the idol experience or whatever. Attach whatever projection you want. It still doesn't change the point

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966187
It worked fo Uto (not direct boosting but still), Nabi mama and Nacho mama.

[Anonymous No.]

Another convention for holoEN huh https://twitter.com/Youmacon/status/1452319142900609027

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966901
Maybe but there is tons of EN vtubers and there are people watching them.
Pretty sure the biggest drop off of EOPs I seen was after Vshojo came out.
>>11967060
It does matter though, if you like one nijisanji vtuber all it means is that you like one vtuber.
If you like Holo's idolshit then there is far less reason to look elsewhere for streams and if you do, there is no reason to exclude real streamers.
Similarly if you like some streamer from Niji, their activities are similar enough to a regular streamer that you don't need to seek out other vtubers specifically either.
Only two types of people are watching vtubers specifically because they're vtubers, coomers and idolfans.

[Anonymous No.]

IRyS and her usual 4k get!

[Anonymous No.]

>>11967837
Its minecraft though she will get more numbers than that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11967837
IRyS please save EN, not single EN got 10k today...

[Anonymous No.]

>Hololivers are idols
Since when? Half of them don't even bother with that shit outside a show a year and none of HoloEN are anywhere close to being an idol and most are openly disinterested in it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966981
2 Flares?! I'm seeing double

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966981
Did Pomu had an event or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11967670
>8000 followers

if it was another digital one like first digikomi it would be pretty pointless since those conventions don't really have that much of a following but seeing your sweaty fans in person is always worth it I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968204
>number low, sad
>saviorfags to the rescue

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968204
She had a superchat reading with superchats enabled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968204
2 streams and of course,

>Opening SC during SC reading
Pretty sure, she's glad to read hours of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968301
ah the usual then

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968113
the most important differential between a regular artist and an idol is the interaction to the fans.
All the JP girls nail it and only some EN are awkward about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963010
That thread looks like a shitty narratives factory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968113
Their character setting is as part of an idol group. It's the unifying factor for the whole company.
See this statement released by Cover for Bloom because not every member had an original songs or attended it.

>A request:
>We would like to thank the fans for their continued support.
>The hololive talents each have their own goals and direction that they wish to take, and we support them to the
>best of our ability. “Hololive IDOL PROJECT Season 0 ~ CORE ! ~ ”Is but one of the new components of the
>hololive IDOL PROJECT. Even if a talent is not part of this new project, please remember that as long as they
>recognize themselves as such, hololive talents are still idols. Accordingly, we would like to ask you to refrain
>from asking comments from the talents, slandering the talents, spreading false information, or excessive
>speculation regarding their participation in the project and event."

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968590
I don't have enough experience with holoEn but sure, they seem less focused on idol stuff.
t. samefag

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968590
You do know you can boxpush without the idol gimmick right.
And in the end it's just PR, they're not actual idols by any means. More like a role play twice a year.
That statement is to prevent schizos from stirring shit up and not some official announcement that they're idols.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968485
I feel like there's one or two niji interns in there or some niji members to fan up flames or deflect the backlash to Cover's management side when Kiara didn't mention if it's her side or niji's side that refused.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968749
give it a rest, you're wrong about your crap apple metaphor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968714
EN isn't conceived of or marketed as an idol group. They're just normal vtubers but the individual members can choose to lean into the company's idol identity if they choose to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968847
That wasn't me but okay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968749
lol yeah it's not like they're a part of hololive IDOL PROJECT

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968113
Yeah, I just see them as a comedian streamer who sometime dance and sing. The "idol" is just a branding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968749
It just seems like you are ignorant of what makes a person an idol and how Cover has implemented it for their talents. I recommend doing your own research into both.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968749
Whether they act like one is up to debate, but they do constantly refer to themselves as idols. This is from their recent amongus collab https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STVJSudKqVc

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968749
Why is it so important for you to say members of the hololive idol project aren't idols? Sure they are playing roles, but don't all idols?

[Anonymous No.]

So yesterday I did some experiments with a 0 view youtube stream. And here is what I found:
>adblock views and tab out views do get counted
>youtube vanced views get counted
>using 2 different devices under the same network generally gets counted as 2 views
I don't know about using multiple tabs/browsers though. The results were pretty random
Pic is me watching the stream with 4 tabs + a phone

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968766
Maybe there are people here who legit hates Hololive and Cover because they failed their audition. Please excuse my shit narrative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969105
I read that under a certain threshold these factors don't get counted as spam views on a stream but over, I think, 100 they get removed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969141
I mean, mine is also a shit narrative too and I agree there are seething 2views hating on cover at every opportunity, but honestly that thread is pure garbage

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968590
Even Baelz called herself an idol in her debut stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969105
You should try different accounts too. Same accounts watching the same stream seems to count as 1 too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969308
The usual seething about how holoJP no longer collabs with nijiJP and it being management mandated is still funny when Polka torpedoed that just last week by revealing her collab with Honma was a last minute thing when their schedules happened to match up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969092
Being an idol is more work than sitting on your ass for weeks playing games and dragging yourself out every once in a blue moon to record something. It is seriously disrespectful to idols to call hololivers idols by default. Just because someone says they're a woman that does mean they are a woman. Just because someone says they're an idol that doesn't make them an idol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969412
you can see in that pic, 2 different accounts and a log out tab

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969589
>Just because someone says they're a woman that does mean they are a woman
holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969035
Women cannot sit still for 2 fucking hours without pissing themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969589
only thing you know about idols is the yagoo meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969589
Hololive members are idols, Pekora is a rabbit , Korone is a dog.
Who cares.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969674
holy kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969674
>>Just because someone says they're a woman that does mean they are a woman
I meant to say "Just because someone says they're a woman that DOESN'T mean they are a woman"

>>11969714
They don't have the right to call themselves idols.

>>11969711
And the only thing you know is what reddit tells you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969556
And then there is Suisei and Toko who went well beyond simple collab stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969808
says you with your deluxe reddit sandwich

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969808
I can't read this, where are the numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969808
Where are the fucking numbers you dumb cunt

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969686
It's something to do with their biology, if you ever take a car trip with women they'll always be the first to have to stop somewhere. Eventually time gets revenge on men with the prostate thing and having to piss constantly though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969141
so we have an eop version of this huh
https://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/%E3%81%B2%E3%82%83%E3%81%A3%E3%81%95%E3%82%93

[Anonymous No.]

anyone that sings and dance is an idol, so is nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>11967837
Thank you for the 10k IRyS! iirc there's going to be another gura shion collab but I don't remember when..

[Anonymous No.]

>>11970131
>anyone that sings and dance is an idol
Even me?

[Anonymous No.]

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_idol
You just need to read the wiki to realize how similar hololive is to an idol agency.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11970244
its in 8 hours anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>11970131
Some of nijisanji are treated as idols, the term is very fluid. Chornoir are basically male idols. No point sweating the details.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969035
they do on the JP side and Ollie... ironically enough but you have to be autistic to think that clip about "idol meeting" proves anything here, it's a meme dude "jork".

Also definition of an "idol" in Japan is not really that clear to begin with, most of the Western fanbase know it only through (often outdated) sterotypes that few holomem would fit into but it's not like they would have their idol cards revoked for not idoling properly, it really boils down to what is acceptable for the audience. Hololive is not connected to the "traditional" idol industry so it always be debatable, Kiara said they're not though and she would have a better idea than most other members how it compares.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969589
There are porn idols anon. It's not the fucking 80s anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11970660
Read this>>11970505

[Anonymous No.]

sportfes holo numbers 10/1 - 10/24

Miko team C

>Kronii 13,952
>Mumei 10,738
>IRyS 9,199
>Fauna 8,482
>Moona 3,712
>Ollie 2,683
>Reine 1,410
>Anya 791

Mio team C

>Gura 23,325
>Ina 9,659
>Amelia 8,125
>Baelz 7,891
>Kiara 6,371
>Sana 3,752
>Risu 2,571
>Iofi 1,432

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968344
>>11968358
Always makes me laugh when Holo EN only retards spout shit like this without realising it's the standard for literally everyone else in the industry

[Anonymous No.]

Slow day for this thread huh? Anyway, do you think Vshojo will host some sort of festival or tournament in the future?
If so, will they invite outside vtubers and streamers to participate? It would be fun to try and numberfag it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11970965
So Mio team is the numberfag pick?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11971310
only holoJPs do it, literally everyone else turns off SCs because they aren't a bunch of shameless beggers

[Anonymous No.]

>>11971320
Do they have anyone who would organize something like that now that zen has realized he fucking sucks at it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11971320
Not necessarily sports but I'm sure they'll get around to doing some kind of formal Minecraft event and invite their various orbiters to participate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11971385
Does it make it any different? It's just an option, not everyone has to go out of their way and turn it off

[Anonymous No.]

>>11971438
Zen's fine with other twitch people, he's just not considerate or smart enough to realize people on different platforms have different circumstances. Only people to play MC with them would be other twitch people so it would be ok.

[Anonymous No.]

Updated October superchats so far to include last week
>Rushia - $80,740
>kson - $79,869
>Subaru - $71,383
Shuba sadly got overtaken by the big two with basically no chance of catching up now, less than $900 between kson and Rushia is going to make for a really close race

[Anonymous No.]

>>11971310
People will put meaning into anything unless their oshi says otherwise. HoloEN as far as turning off SC seems more about them trying to just finish their backlog more than anything. They aren't really treating as an endurance stream where they will talk non-stop. It's true for Kronii. Fauna and Mumei atleast basing from what they have said in the past during those exact streams. Moreover, if they don't turn them off, their fans will probably SC everytime they are about to finish because those girls don't do these zatsu styles often. This is the only time where you can get acknowledged I guess real time without getting drowned by chat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11971642
>less than $900 between kson and Rushia is going to make for a really close race
The duo is back

[Anonymous No.]

>>11971385
Anon just search スパチャ読み on Playboard, virtually all the results for Niji or any other agency are monetized

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone have updated version of this? Or maybe a link to the spreadsheet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11970402
Yes, that's the consensus of /vt/, embrace it, seems fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>11970545
hololive idol bad
nijisanji not idol good

[Anonymous No.]

>>11973017
>hololive bad
>not hololive good
Fixed

[Anonymous No.]

>>11973112
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.]

>>11973418

[Anonymous No.]

>>11973454
>>11973454

[Anonymous No.]

>>11970545
How are they male idols.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11971642
Will it though? kson got boosted by her live2d debut and she's still behind.

[Anonymous No.]

Anon predicting the watchalong would beat the collab got it just right

[Anonymous No.]

gonna be a pretty good buff for holos especially korone https://twitter.com/game_watch/status/1452497534224502787

[Anonymous No.]

>>11974281
If Kiara and Sana had a collab during primetime JST who would have higher views?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11974281
It's just chicken's debuff field. Also holy shit that chicken thread got almost 900 posts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11974347
kek I thought I saw Kenmochi as the protag for a second

[Anonymous No.]

>>11974347
Wat

LOL jesas Korone is loved by developers everywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11973588
anon.. I..

[Anonymous No.]

>>11974347
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1748610/Evil_God_Korone/

[Anonymous No.]

>>11974347
>https://twitter.com/game_watch/status/1452497534224502787
I will predict at least 8 Holos playing this game by the end of November

[Anonymous No.]

>>11974347
Koro-san...I kneel...

[Anonymous No.]

>>11974635
Kek. Seems fitting given her lore and how she plays herself in streams.
>>11974392
Yea, it's hilarious and sad at the same time. So much rrat, so little substance. At least run off of something more than a bunch of nebulous bullshit peeps...like how Kiara never tweeted anything about Suisei's sololive and no watchalong, but did so for Watame!. Okay I'll stop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11974347
>Doom
>Sonic
>Mavel
>Now This
Remember when numberfags said Korone is a midget lol?
She might be more famous than Pekora in the world!

[Anonymous No.]

>>11974803
>Remember when numberfags said Korone is a midget lol?
No? Her numbers were always on the higher end of the scale

[Anonymous No.]

>>11974838
Shitposters called her a relic in the past and some washed up dog.
Then again whatever garbage shitposters throw out has no value to begin with

[Anonymous No.]

>>11974873
>Shitposters
Oh... I thought you said numberfags

[Anonymous No.]

>>11974803
>Sponsorships is proportional to subs
>SC is not proportional to CCV
That's why CCV is irrelevant

[Anonymous No.]

>>11974969
Who said shitposters can't be numberfags

[Anonymous No.]

>>11974750
Watame and Kiara are pretty close. For Suisei I think Calli and Ina tweeted about her sololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11975002
???

Then why does gura doesn't have twice as much sponsorship than any hololive members?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11975167
What are you trying to say?

[Anonymous No.]

numberbros, im feeling huge gains on the sport fes next next week.
heres my over optimistic call
>Miko 110k peak
>Pekora 80k peak
>Marine 60k peak
>Gura 60k peak
>Aqua 50k peak
>Subaru 50k peak
>Moona 40k peak
which totals at an outstanding 440k combined peak, wdyt

[Anonymous No.]

>>11975395
I think you are overestimating this shit anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11975387
>Sponsorships is proportional to subs

[Anonymous No.]

>>11975395
they will peak at different times, retard.
The total peak will be about 220k

[Anonymous No.]

>>11975395
WTF Bro?
I'm also a hololive-only fan but i don't think they'll get this high lmao
Let's not get ahead of ourselves and just enjoy it so we don't get too disappointed

[Anonymous No.]

>>11975167
She just had a cookie game sponsor few days ago
Do your reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>11975395
Holy shit you're retarded
Or probably I'm retarded for replying to you who knows

[Anonymous No.]

>>11975570
Cool. But im saying if sponsorship is proportionate to sub then she should be getting more sponsorship no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11975713
It's not. It's proportional to their earnings. Stars like Gura only get star-worthy sponsorships. Quality over quantity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11975713
the ENs have much more and bigger competitors compared to the JPs, pekora and other jps are like big fish in a smaller pond

[Anonymous No.]

>>11975713
>They're all the same kusoge game lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>11975713
>Cookie Run: Kingdom
>Taco bell
>Princess-connect
Gura's sponsorships are all big ones

[Anonymous No.]

>>11975848
Pekora is square enix go to vtuber shiller

[Anonymous No.]

>It's the 123716386th episode of EN1 vs JP3 after a dumbass bit a retarded bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>11975768
Lmao cookie run is a fucking mobile cancer game thats hardly a star worthy sponsorship.

>>11975823
Yet she is a top female streamer?

>>11975848
You don't know what kusoge means

>>11975895
>Mobile game
>Sure
>Mobile game that only has 200k revenue last month.

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>>11975895
>tacobell
The one where she appeared in the background for a sec?

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>>11975995
"King" lost to dumb shrine baby yesterday pleazu andastand

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Fucking hell, why is the EN1 vs JP3 timeloop happening again?

We need more numbers. Speaking of, what are the numbers for NijiEn for today?

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>>11976037
No
https://youtu.be/zuIDDWQlUWg

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>>11976116
Kuzuha didn't win last night.

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>>11976116
>he can only talk about the NijiEN punching bag

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>Nijisanji wins the day
Lots of slow&steady, bubble bursting, kuzutards posting
>Hololive wins the day
EN1vsJP3 again, some glimpse of kuzutards, holobronies easily being baited again
>Hal wins the day
Nijifags wants to claim his win and Holofags being baited again
>Other Indies wins
Civil and proper Discussions unless a bored nijifag baits the easily baited holofags

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>>11975525
Wrong?
If you're the sponsor you don't watch subs?
Most subs japanese vtuber Kizuna ai has many sponsorships doesn't she?

So what's your ploblem of second most subs japanese vtuber Pekora has many sponsorships ?

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>>11976399
speak English, Seanig
and no, Moona won't get more sponsorship than Fauna

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>>11975895
Hololives biggest sponsor is nissin and pekora is part of it not gura no?

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>>11976299
When has another indie won? I don't even think Kson has taken one of the days.

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>>11976446
>World of Warships

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>>11976243
I want to see if they are inclining, stagnating, or reclining.

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>>11976532
They all get around the same numbers. Niji EN numerology is not really a dynamic field of study.

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>>11976464
the VSPO girl and the one who had a 3D Debut (i forgot if Kson or her was the winner of that day)

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>>11976448
How big is Nissin in the burgerland?

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>>11976464
>>11976569
You could just, you know. Check? It's right there.
>>11936580

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>>11976556
As long as they continue to be dumb and wasting precious “debut buff” on this type of streams they aren’t even worth discussion in this thread and for the same reason nijiID isn’t worthy.

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>>11976446
Moona is seaing

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>>11976663
For a nijien watch-along
Pretty good desu
I was expecting two digits

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>>11976569
VSPO girl isn't an indie

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>>11976663
>collab watchalongs
Why is this a fucking thing. I know JP does it too but holy fuck as if watchalongs aren't lazy enough content

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>>11976611
I believe the VSPO girl won on September and Coco/and the indie wasn't counted right?

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>>11976750
Collab watchalongs are slightly better than solo watchalongs.

At least with collab watchalong you can get some good banter going.

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>>11976768
>I believe the VSPO girl won on September
Ema? She made into the chart but didn’t win. Kson likewise, never had a day strong enough to win even in her facecam tenure.

What indie do you mean?

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>>11976663
>>11976721
It's bad bro, 200-300 is below Holostars level
>>11976750
Well tbf, Sana & Kronii did a collab watchalong on their 1st week as well
(but the movie is connected to their lore roleplay and it had decent numbers 9k, even though its on Sana's ch)

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>>11976570
How big is tacobell outside the us?
Nissin sponsor is the sole reason that made cover attractive to other big sponsors

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>>11976841
>>11976740
Yeah i was wrong to call them indies lol but a non Niji/Holo did won on September 23 (Ren Kisaragi) and while searching i saw another one named Nimu who apparently won the day on September 16

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>>11976859
>Holostars level
Get with the times, pops. Holostars are high three digits on the regular now, even getting 2k+ on occasion

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>>11976299
Yep, fuck all those nijifags

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>holo win the day
>nijinigger timelooping holojp vs holoen
everytime

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>>11976954
Is that how much he got for announcing 3D?

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>>11976954
The Ethyria girls were doing a watchalong, don't compare that to a 3D stream.
And i said "Below Holostars Level". But most Holostars are range 300-800 (maybe 1k on a good day and Astel does great)

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>Gura has more subs that 2nd and 3rd combined
>Mori is tick tocking Pekora

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>>11977045
gura's gonna get to 4m before kizuna ai gets 20k more subs to 3m..

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So, anyone else finds it tragic how Kizuna still didn't manage to get the remaining 20k subs even with that successful stream/restream?

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>>11976882
Taco Bell is big enough but compared Taco Bell collab with Gura appeared 1 second in ads and Nissin collab with a full concert is so vastly different scale

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>>11975713
All of guratards don't actually know how to explain shit. Gura does get big sponsorships like TacoBell and she is the only EN that has a Nendo. She was fast tracked because the demand for her is high. Her face is also plastered when Holo collabed with Artia alongside Pekora. Since we are talking about spons then you must know who are the demos here. Gura obviously attracts NA audience and thus many of her spons are global releases of games and whatever. Do you expect her to fly to JP and perform 3D? Pekora on the other hand has majority nip demo so obviously game devs like square enix that understands her jrpg streams rakes a lot would pick her. Have you seen Gura play any jrpg? Her audience will not bother. The only game she did close was that one game she collabed along with Mori for Square Enix that had global release. Relevance has to matter here that's why she also get a lot of rythm game spons. Another thing is Vtubing is new to NA. Vtubing in JP is more well known. Still niche but you can see them here and there

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>>11977148
Another thing to point out is the only time she did so poorly is she played a nip FOTM Monster Hunter. That's how you know she has very little nip audience that would bother to watch her play their game. She sucks at them too. I mean you don't even have to use Pekora. You can just use Botan who gets more promotions because she plays a wide range of games.

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NijiEN music numbers:

>Elira's Goodbye Sengen, 146k, 1 week ago
>Petra's Phony, 155k, 3 weeks ago
>Enna's wish of the song bird, 33k, 1 day ago

I'm predicting that Enna could reach 150k in more than a month because the view trends day 1 for elira is 60k while it's 36k for Petra. 33k day 1 is albeit uhhh okayish for an original.

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Rushia's cat wasn't able to let her get first place in weekly supacha rankings.

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>>11977403
Enna's song genre is pretty niche and it's not a song that you repeat it a lot. I like it though.

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>>11977537
Fandeads are jealous of her cat anon

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>>11977537
He didn’t die. Living cats aren’t good for numbers

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The king enters

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>>11977574
Because your taste in music is shit. Go watch Calli's if you want some banger.

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>>11978814
Decent numbers.

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>>11978899
Get out of the number thread falseflagger

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>>11978814
Unless Pekers throws up a stream later, looks like this will be the Number 1 of the day. I don't think Gura x Shion playing bomb game can beat it since it'll be 2 POV at a 'bad' time for Gura.

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>>11977294
Botan got 10k last night playing some weird-ass indie horror card game, she can shill anything.

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>>11978942
So far the only potential 20k stream is Miko’s but even then it’s a stretch.

It would be funny as fuck for the king to lose two days in a row with high numbers only to win a day with a 23k stream

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>>11977574
Yeah it's definitely not a mainstream tier. And I feel like the composer fucked up by bloating the instrumental parts so she's actually singing for only like a half of the length.

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>>11979151
It depends on what she's planning to do for the minecraft stream. If it's sports-fes prep, could break 20k+, Miko is capable of that after all. Otherwise, yea, Kuzuha playing ranked with...Reid looks like, will take the win today.

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>>11979151
>it’s a stretch.
Agreed -- usually. But Mikocraft will probably feature the upcoming holofes. This'll be the first look into the events and any changes they decided to make. It might get get a bump to 20k+ but it might not beat Ghoul

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https://youtu.be/O7YfM0WzKdQ
Gura and Shion changed games to mario kart. Predictions?

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>>11979295
It's bloated as fuck. I really like this style, but I got bored listening to it and tuned out halfway through the premiere because I thought it was already over.

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>>11979461
Yea, just saw that pop up in recommends...
Uh, Mario kart huh. Hrm. 15-20k range for Gura, 10-15k range for Shion. Would be higher, but since it's going in the same slot as Mikocraft, gonna drop expectations.

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are the holos getting lazy as fuck? even the jps dont have much frames up

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>>11979559
It's a monday night anon, not many streams up from JP usually unless my memory is shot.

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>>11979461
Lower than their MC collab, for sure

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>>11979509
Gura and Shion should've started on this timeslot instead of going toe to toe in jp primetime. If Pekkers decided to stream then their cllab would be a flop

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>>11977403
>that lore shit
replay poison.

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>>11979653
or just use shion's usual time slot at 00 jst
it should be okay on gura's side too, 8 pdt

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>>11979559
JPs actually have a lot of offline work nowadays. Gen3 with their concert. VA lessons. They have also been recording for this show that they having been uploading in the main weekly. They are highly condensed shows wraped in 15mins. Holo Bonjour is still a thing. And then of course some other stuff in the back ground like song spons, holoerror or whatever projects that they have cooking. You should see an increase once MC sports fest comes near and MK tournament arc begins but will slow again once HoloFes3 and Bloom begins again. Even fucking HoloStars gets their own fucking concert

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>>11979735
>or just use shion's usual time slot at 00 jst
yep, Shion easily clears 10k on that slot, sometimes even higher than that

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>>11941734
Technically all of Hololive owes their views to Nijisanji therefore get fucked Holofaggots, 24-0 for the month, Nijisanji proving why they are #1 Vtuber company in the world.

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>>11979906
It’s interest the concerts actually suck up a lot of time and hurt their visible numbers but apparently make a shitton of money we can’t easily track. Watame’s originals didn’t do great numbers wise but they enabled her to do a sololive using her own songs which might have made her more in a night than she did in a year of sc depending on cuts. Same for Suisei to an even greater degree

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>>11979906
Yeah, I realize I've been looking at the pandemic boosted hololive boom in just one way. It's true that when ppl can't leave their houses there's a lot of audiences for vtuber stuff, but it also means that the talents ccan't leave their house either so there's supply to meet the demand. Now that Japan seem to have a better handle on the pandemic it allows for more offline work to be done, which reduces streams but seems ultimately better for the talents long term.

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>>11980034
Anon, plz, leave necromancy to Rushia. No need to dig up 18 hours old bait

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>>11980065
The solution is always JP 6, but my god, they're taking their time

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>>11980065
>Watame’s originals didn’t do great numbers wise but they enabled her to do a sololive using her own songs which might have made her more in a night than she did in a year of sc depending on cuts
That's not even considering the mental aspect of it, sure guerilla unarchived English karaoke might be fun and brings great numbers but if you're an artist like Suisei and Watame it's so much better to actually have and sing your own songs

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>>11980065
Most of the people willing and able to pay money for merch or concerts are also working adults that might not keep up with every stream in real time.

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>>11976446
moona has more sponsorship than fauna

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https://twitter.com/kureijiollie/status/1452581825121964036
Apparently the zombie played minecraft offstream, would her fans be angry with her as well? or its just us kronies

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>>11980397
numbers?

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>>11980397
>>11980413
Shit! Sorry sent it in the Wrong Thread LMAO

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today's winner

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>>11980477
Holy Shit!! If Ayame do a guerilla minecraft stream then she may get easy 30k

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEk-PhHy6SI

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>>11980147
Can you blame them? Aside from the problems of market saturation, cover wants to recreate the magic of Gen 3. Part of their voodoo is gen solidarity created by in-person teambuilding sessions. While they had to forego that ideal with EN, I don't think they'll lower standards for JP, especially when they're not pressured to release a new gen.

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>>11980529
I expect low numbers on this one 20k-25k. I watch the first one and the game is pretty shit its not even scary.

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Holo was expected to lose yesterday so it doesn't even matter if they lose today.

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>>11980510
this might even be higher. it's been awhile since she actually played MC. I think the last time was when she had a prep stream for sports fes and the actual sports fes. No POV from her end though

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>>11976299
Despite making up 10% of the population, nijiniggers commit 80% of the schizoposts

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>>11980529
Can it beat Kuzuha today? She might only get 20-24k in this
>>11980616
Sadly it seems unlikely she'll stream it today
>>11980549
It'll be their Trump Card. But as of now, numbers are rising and lots of sponsorship is happening so Yeah, they're not pressured to release Gen6 yet

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>>11980690
Where do you check the mc logins. Can you link it

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>>11980690
>Can it beat Kuzuha today?
Yeah I don't think so, the first time she played she stayed at around 20k~ and this is the second stream

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>>11980690
While they are not pressured to do so, I think releasing JP6 right now is not good because they just released EN2. Maybe waiting 1 month or so would be best. EN2 and Hope supposedly was scheduled to be released much earlier than they did apparently. Maybe releasing them come January 2022 will be the best thing to boost up their clout most especially if they plan to do Bloom again around the same time

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>>11980477
I just checked it.
This is fucking Fake!

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>>11980720
you probably quoted the wrong post but i assume you meant kronii log ins. She logged in by the time irys was streaming mc, and then later when flare was streaming mc

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>>11976972
but that's almost every day...

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>>11980720
>>11980841
I don't have the link but the Kronies have it since they're really salty when Kronii plays minecraft offstream

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Will Kizuna Ai take the risk and collab with Hololive? China I feel like it's a dying market with all these new rules enforcing what people could do on the internet. Ai could use Hololive's popularity to climb her way back. She has Lamy and Polka if she's willing to collab.

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Kuzuha might win this day. 27k+ for peak still possible for an incline. The only stream that im not sure off is miko stream it might produce big numbers or it can produce normal miko MC numbers. Pekora wont beat 27k+.

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>>11980147
Cover will not release another JP gen unless there's a demand for it.

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>>11981020
>collabing with the mediocrity gen
Won't save her

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>>11980690
>>11980755
read the thumbnail, this is the finale stream. those tend to draw viewers just to see how it'll end.