>no one cares about Irys's songs I thought she's The EN Vsinger. What went horribly wrong?

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Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:28:16 2021 No.12075382 [Reply] [Original]

>no one cares about Irys's songs
I thought she's The EN Vsinger.
What went horribly wrong?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:29:15 2021 No.12075413 >>12075382 EN Vsinger singing in Japanese pleash unda hshtand

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:29:40 2021 No.12075424 She's a good entertainer, but not a good singer, Gura sings better

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:31:20 2021 No.12075466 >>12075382 She isnt as good as she should have been is she really wanted to be the standout V-singer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:31:55 2021 No.12075485 >>12075382 She's the most generic Jpop voice in all of Hololive, unironically. I don't really care for that in an EN Vsinger or even a JP VSinger. I prefer unique noises even if they're bad/worse.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:32:03 2021 No.12075491 >>12075424 I<G<K<C

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:32:28 2021 No.12075504 >>12075466 She isn't as good as she should have been "if" she really wanted to be the standout V-singer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:33:10 2021 No.12075523 >>12075382 The model fucked her over from the start.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:33:11 2021 No.12075524 >>12075382 She didn't release english songs. I get that they are Idol company but look at Calli, most of her songs are in english and that's what set her apart.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:33:14 2021 No.12075525 >>12075382 [Insert Oshi's name] is much better than Irys in terms of singing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:34:14 2021 No.12075558 >>12075382 >Another IRyS is bad thread Why?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:34:45 2021 No.12075572 >>12075523 unironically this

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:36:14 2021 No.12075619 >>12075382 >What went horribly wrong? Your uncle into your ass

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:37:05 2021 No.12075649

>>12075382
Literally retarted marketing, all her songs should have been released on her channel on the day she debuted it was literally free 1 million views, why make people wait months just for a MV that's a fucking static png, and never underestimate how lazy people can be to click on alternate links just to listen to a song
>But caesura of despair it's not at 1 million views
It's not even the full fucking song c'mon

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:42:06 2021 No.12075815 Myth and roid are shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:42:57 2021 No.12075848 Well she had a recording session today

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:43:28 2021 No.12075865 dont even care if she never sings again shes one of the best streamers in the entire company

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:45:36 2021 No.12075936 >>12075848 This song also will be on YouTube Music and won't get numbers

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:45:51 2021 No.12075945 >another KING cover by Gura and Calli meanwhile at almost 10 million views kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:46:54 2021 No.12075984 Her Inochi cover is soon to overtake Azki's original version. Maybe another month should do it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:47:03 2021 No.12075990 >>12075619 true desu

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:47:51 2021 No.12076027 >>12075382 I don't care about jpop. If she would branch out of that awful genre I'd be more interested

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:48:05 2021 No.12076032

>>12075382
I still think her songs would be more popular if they released them until she had a fanbase of her own (maybe debut with a teasers or something), i think no one really cared that much about songs from a member they didn't have an emotional connection with.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:48:22 2021 No.12076045 >>12075382 Should have made her EP in English. If that can't happen and then, they should have marketed HCH as the lead single instead of CoD. Imagine if she had debuted with a fully animated MV for HCH.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:48:44 2021 No.12076057 >>12075382 Mori should switch divisions.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:48:50 2021 No.12076063 >>12075523 this

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:48:59 2021 No.12076066 >>12075945 a cunny meme shark and deadbraps, puliso enderstando

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:49:30 2021 No.12076087 >>12075382 They wanted EN AZKi and they got exactly that. No one cares about AZKi either. IRyS just happens to also be a top tier streamer, personality and sex, despite her utterly generic singing voice.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:49:31 2021 No.12076088 >>12075382 She a really great singer but she needs better composers.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:51:51 2021 No.12076148

She needs a breakout song that fit her voice, not generic J-Pop songs. Why not try a cute denpa song or something besides your average anime song?
Marine isn't that great of a singer but her new song does well because the composing is good with a great MV to boots.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:53:11 2021 No.12076181 I'm sorry but the Attaca remix of caesura is the only song of hers that I regularly listen to

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:53:23 2021 No.12076187 guys I know exactly what she needs a KING cover

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:57:47 2021 No.12076299

She needs to shill herself more.

Kiara unironically does a good job at this. Shes middle of the pack in singing but really loves it and wants everyone to hear them so she's blatant when shilling her songs. Irys just drops them and barely ever mentions them again.

Also Irys is a way better streamer and gets good numbers. If she wanted to she could boost her songs by shilling like that.

However I think she doesn't gives a fuck about numbers on her songs. She was a popular utaite in her previous life with some incredibly popular covers. She has already peaked singing-wise.

Also as long as Omegay keeps being the producer and having complete creative control on her output, the results will never be that good.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:58:35 2021 No.12076320 >>12075424 I would check my ears if I were you

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:58:52 2021 No.12076330 File: 116 KB, 1080x752, IMG_20211027_115754.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12076032 Moona's songs do well despite her fanbase being quite small

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 04:59:15 2021 No.12076337
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>>12075382
If she debuted with EN1 it'd probably be a different story. But for new people coming in, you need to build a rapport with fans before people will give a shit about your music as a musically inclined vTuber isn't new for Westerners like it was in Sep 2019. It doesn't help its a genre not many people care about and that its in primarily Japanese. Personally I think Cover investing more money in the music side is sunk cost fallacy in action. Just have her release 1 song a year and be a regular streamer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:01:22 2021 No.12076387 >>12075382 I give zero fucks about what she was debuted as, Irys is still one of the better EN chuubas in hololive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:01:33 2021 No.12076391 >>12075382 Nobody wanted a vsinger and she sings in Japanese so it's basically double fucked

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:02:33 2021 No.12076414 >>12075491 Ina < Gura < Kaichou < Cameliawatson

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:03:25 2021 No.12076429 >>12076330 >fanbase being quite small unironically most of her fanbase is just clipwatcher. the same goes to other ID's too

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:03:38 2021 No.12076440

>>12076299
Hell you should have seen how hard Suisei was shilling her album and her concert.
For whatever reason like you said, she doesn’t talk about her songs or promote them to any adequate degree.
There was also that weird shit where she was forbidden from promoting the covers she made in the first month.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:04:23 2021 No.12076461

>>12075382
Although I really like her streams and her voice, and her range is really awesome, I can't help but find her singing a little discomforting. I want to guess that she is just a bit flat all the time, but I haven't tried to verify this with software or a tuner. If you listen to her duet karaoke with Mori, you will notice their pitches sometimes clash horribly when they sing high, like one of them is slightly off pitch. But, people will say this is more likely to be Mori as she is still improving. However if you listen to Mori's unarchived angst karaoke, her voice is powerful and in tune. It's true that she is not always strong, especially when singing outside her comfortable range. The duet was outside her range in some places.
>Mostly it's just the model.
If people can get over Irys's janky looking face, they will love her almost as much as Gura. I love her personality and voice, but if it's true she is kinda flat, I want her to train and fix it, because I'd really like to be able to enjoy her singing, and her voice is smooth and clear, but right now I just can't.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:04:48 2021 No.12076474 >>12076330 >quite small >will be the 1st or 2nd ID to ever hit million in the next 3-5 months depending on Ollie's growth ok dude also Moona is unironically one of the best singers in all of HoloPro

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:04:49 2021 No.12076476 >>12076299 >Kiara unironically does a good job at this That's because she has to.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:05:28 2021 No.12076494

I think frequency is probably the most important thing if she wants to occupy the utattemita space. A lot of the singers in the non-vtuber game are basically churning out a cover or original every week. Hell, some of these JP cover singers basically camp The First Take channel to quickly become the first search result whenever someone searches for "[song] cover".

IDK about a lot of people saying that she should focus on English songs. The endgame for holo vsingers is to break into normie mainstream pop, and I think doing that in JP is a lot easier than getting that kind of recognition in the US specifically.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:05:56 2021 No.12076503 File: 134 KB, 276x342, Screenshot (277).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12075984 what the fuck

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:08:00 2021 No.12076551 >>12076474 that's the point. No one cares about Ollie's songs as well. Moona's songs do well because they're good while Irys's songs aren't

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:11:32 2021 No.12076645 >>12075945 Every new KING cover feeds the top 3 or 4 KING covers. Guramori cover is among those

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:12:32 2021 No.12076671 File: 706 KB, 626x740, 1631104739625.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Don't worry. She's doing a cover with the Nigger of Nippon. Probably on Irys' channel too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:13:10 2021 No.12076685 >>12076671 theyre going to make a whole album/ep they go for tea together and hang out irl all the time

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:13:12 2021 No.12076687

>>12076551
It feels like IRyS is known as the Vsinger but she’s not really known for her singing/songs. More for her streaming personality. Watame is in a similar situation where she wants to be seen as a singer but people just associate her as a streamer that likes to sing and make music.
Moona’s unarchived karaoke established her as one of the best singers in Hololive. And she does it often enough that you associate the label “singer” with her.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:15:09 2021 No.12076739 >>12076685 Irys is on the back of the original music queue. Mori said she wants to do originals with each of the 5 myth girls first. Gura or Kiara is probably the first ones.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:16:30 2021 No.12076780

>>12075382
Generic jpop voice in a generic jpop songs. Irys should try singing other genres and find her own style. Everyone saying Gura is one trick pony who can't sing all genre but at least she has her own singing style and signature unique voice.
>>12076551
Ollie can't sing, but her voice has the potential. I really like her raspy voice.
Moona's Ai no chiisana uta is slow but unironically very hard to sing even more so than Marine's Ahoy and any Suisei's songs, it's a fun song to train your voice.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:16:34 2021 No.12076782 >>12076645 How many covers have been made after GuraMori version?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:16:44 2021 No.12076788 >>12076671 Unironically its the best move for irys to leech of calli music for a while. Her songs are cool and have mass appeal across all cultures

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:18:17 2021 No.12076823 >>12075382 Like it's already been said she's not bad but nothing exceptional either. To become -the- true EN VSinger she'd have to up her game by a large margin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:20:12 2021 No.12076876 >>12076788 She needs to be hyped up too. Reine for example, despite being HoloID punches above her weight when it comes to music because of how consistent she is.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:21:18 2021 No.12076902

>>12076299
Cover probably owns most of the rights of the songs so she does not really care about its numbers. The songs did well on other platforms surprisingly. The worst mistake they did was placing Caesura as the main song when both of the other ones are leagues better. IRyS is too traditional in singing which sometimes may sound soulless. She needs a breakout song which hopefully they can find. Noel's original for example manages to be catchy and brings the uniqueness of Noel's voice.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:21:33 2021 No.12076906 >>12076788 Why not just make english song cover of popular superstar? Covering your senpai's songs outside of karaoke is not a good move imho

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:23:05 2021 No.12076939 >>12076906 Copy rights

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:23:55 2021 No.12076961 >>12076906 She shouldn't cover Mori's songs, but collabing with her like she did last week will definitely help. I think both of them can benefit from it even if IRyS obviously has more to gain.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:24:24 2021 No.12076974 >>12076939 That's what managements are for. You think Myth and Moona would be able to cover english songs without them?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:25:19 2021 No.12076996 >>12076902 Noel’s song actually being catchy and fitting her voice was a pretty big surprise. She’s considered one of the worst singers in Hololive and managed to make a nice song.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:28:40 2021 No.12077074

>>12076461
Well, I just tested it and I take back this criticism. Her voice is unique in some ways that made it difficult for me to feel comfortable hearing it in songs. For now I'll consider it an acquired taste. I feel happier now knowing that she isn't slightly off pitch all the time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:30:53 2021 No.12077124 >>12076974 >You think Myth and Moona would be able to cover english songs without them? They absolutely could. Thousands of independent artists do and licenses are not difficult to get ahold of because music companies like making money for no work.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:32:13 2021 No.12077154

>>12077074
What'd you use to test it? As one of her fans I agree that it's a bit of an acquired taste and I think that describing it as generic is strange since basically no other utaite or JP singer sounds like her. Since you sound like a Mori fan, I thought their rendition of Fukai Mori did a perfect job at showing how different they sound and IRyS did a really good job on it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:33:07 2021 No.12077172 >>12076906 Moona said that getting the license of a western song takes about 6 months. Cover is extremely slow

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:33:18 2021 No.12077177 >>12077124 Unfortunately they are not Indies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:33:57 2021 No.12077193 >>12076087 true, her singing ability isnt even the best in hololive EN. i would give it to Mumei over Irys

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:34:10 2021 No.12077197 They arent giving her anything to sing

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:34:59 2021 No.12077218 Something this board and vtuber companies don't seem to understand is that songs actually need to be good to get a lot of views

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:35:15 2021 No.12077222 >>12076974 It is troublesome to get all the rights to release them, but it is not impossible, why do think it took so long to be released when it was recorded last year.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:36:21 2021 No.12077254 >>12077222 *for myth country road.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:36:57 2021 No.12077269

>>12077074
Yeah, I don't get why people call her voice generic jpop voice. They clearly mean the singing style, not the voice itself. IRyS's voice timbre always seemed a bit weird to me, to the point of not liking it at the debut. I got used to it after the first karaoke stream, and it's definitely unique. Not in super unique Gura way, rather in "sounds a bit unusual and acquired taste" Sora way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:37:06 2021 No.12077270 >>12077193 Moomei is just discount Gura

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:37:11 2021 No.12077275 >>12077124 I think they actually sell the cover songs which requires the mechanical licenses which are expensive and hard to get.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:37:46 2021 No.12077285 >>12076087 Many peoples cares about Azki enough that Cover decided to take Beta route where she will continue her career as opposed to Alpha route where her project will end next year

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:38:02 2021 No.12077294 >>12077218 Anon, Mori x Gura King is godawful and has a fuckton of views.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:38:44 2021 No.12077309 File: 75 KB, 214x202, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12075382 Meanwhile at NijisanjiEN

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:38:48 2021 No.12077312 She needs to go back to impersonating Kana Hanazawa

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:38:51 2021 No.12077314 >>12077218 No Vtuber will ever make a song as good as Baby Shark. I don't know why they even try.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:39:34 2021 No.12077326 >>12077294 Mori x Gura king is catchy because Mori added something to the bridge. It's basically a Space Jam remix in all but name, and it works.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:39:49 2021 No.12077332 >>12077294 >unique noises

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:40:37 2021 No.12077340 >>12077309 >Gen song with 4 people I mean, come on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:40:42 2021 No.12077346 >>12075382 She needs more memorable songs. She's a good singer but her voice isn't powerful or unique enough to be THE attraction.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:41:09 2021 No.12077358 >>12077294 It was a fun and unique spin on king, and far from awful

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:41:37 2021 No.12077363 >>12077309 >in English (mostly) >but the lyrics are ESL Monkey's paw.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:42:22 2021 No.12077377 >>12077309 Nijisanji buys views for their MVs by putting it as an ad.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:43:41 2021 No.12077407

>>12075382
She isn't a specialized/trained up pro singer like people assumed - it's literally another self-taught one who can sing decently (like Gura).

Very much she is cast in the mold as a usual variety entertainer chuuba and is not a specialist there to sing who gives no shits about the streaming part; I was expecting another AZKi but she easily could have fit in either HoloEN gen (hopefully with a different model) and literally NOBODY would have been able to tell the difference or think "her talents are wasted on being a streamer she should go balls to wall as a singing specialist." In fact she is very good as a streamer and pretty boring/generically-vanilla-good as a singer and not something special or memorable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:44:30 2021 No.12077423 >>12077270 not even close, Mumei is a better overall singer and well rounded. She can sing multiple style songs. Gura has a good tone but isn't well rounded, she mainly sings jazz/lo-fi esque

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:45:04 2021 No.12077431 File: 180 KB, 1119x1119, 1633660129835.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12077340 Where is HoloEN's gen song?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:45:12 2021 No.12077435 >>12077294 Well okay there's some exceptions but that's generally true All these Hololivers shill out money to make original songs and wonder why they don't get any views, it's like they have no clue that quality actually matters

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:45:39 2021 No.12077446 File: 1.45 MB, 1500x2000, 1622515569430.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12077074 >>12077154 >>12077269 She sounds like a Disney princess, I don't know how else to describe it. Go watch Beauty and the Beast or The Little Mermaid again.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:45:46 2021 No.12077447 >>12077407 Even her Past Live is not that impressive outside of that one hit wonder cover.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:46:15 2021 No.12077459 >>12077407 Eh she's still an easy top 3 singers in Hololive. She just specializes in JP songs so has limited appeal to the English audience.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:46:50 2021 No.12077478 >>12077431 Ask them to sing Ochame Kinou first and without rap.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:46:54 2021 No.12077479

>>12077269
It's because her voice is very clear. Like a Broadway singer but she doesn't really sing songs of that nature. She does need training because she can get really nasally at times and she struggle to hit certain notes because she didn't time her breathing right. She has the range. You can certainly hear it in her recent karaokes. I think she's getting more confident and has been practicing a lot offline. I personally don't get all this numberfagging and concernfagging around her. She's doing great in all aspects. Noone in EN has even done anything close to the sort of singing reps that she is doing. A lot of them sing the same song. Cover the same fotm. If you haven't watched her karaokes then you probably don't notice how much she has been pushing her voice.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:46:59 2021 No.12077485 >>12077377 Black out is still a great song

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:47:01 2021 No.12077488 >>12077431 Where is my Enna to sit on my dick?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:47:58 2021 No.12077510 >>12077447 And only because EOP thought it was the original due to an incredibly deceptive title

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:48:06 2021 No.12077513 >>12077193 Mumei sounds like a chipmunk with facial palsy

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:48:38 2021 No.12077525 >>12077423 Absolutely crazy that people think this, but no accounting for taste I guess.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:48:45 2021 No.12077529 >>12075523 this unironically. also like an anon said earlier, more english speakers (her fanbase) would care if she put out english songs. Ina's violet was an exception to this because it was Ina's first song.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:48:46 2021 No.12077530 >>12077446 Go watch Moona's unarchived karaoke for Disney princess experience. Even Gura fall in love with her voice

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:48:53 2021 No.12077532 >>12077459 >top 3 singers in Hololive lmao no AZKi, Suisei, Watame, Moona, Gura, Mumei are all better than her

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:49:26 2021 No.12077549

>>12077485
It is. Also, the holos (or at least Kiara) seem to like Diamond City Lights.

Meanwhile, Irys no longer has her algorithm buff. Without the algorithm cheesing her videos to insane numbers, you wind up with a mix of her actual current core viewerbase as well as Hololive brand loyalists.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:49:58 2021 No.12077564 >>12077530 She'd need to speak English first... >>12077532 Good one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:51:10 2021 No.12077582 >>12077564 Irystocrats are one of the most delusional fanbases, but it's nice you love your oshi.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:51:35 2021 No.12077597 File: 1.71 MB, 324x432, comfbirb.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12077431 Holobronies don't deserve the true virtual singer experience

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:52:31 2021 No.12077619 >>12077549 I like most originals from both Holo and Niji though the Niji gen 3 song I don't like that much. Though I've never listen to Irys because her model filters me, but I'm sure she doesn't use her 2D model much during originals.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:52:33 2021 No.12077621 >>12077597 Dude that girl's talking voice sounds really bad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:52:40 2021 No.12077624 >>12077488 Anon asking the real questions.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:52:49 2021 No.12077627 >>12077564 Her english singing and talking is like day and night. Her ESL may sounds awful but her voice in singing english songs is different beast.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:52:52 2021 No.12077630 >>12077530 I can't get over her accent, sorry. Accent training is a thing though, I hope indogs can afford it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:52:54 2021 No.12077633 >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41ey3x2XJOA Why didn't anyone bring up Kronii? I think her voice is insanely beautiful.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:53:30 2021 No.12077646 >>12077621 good thing we're talking about singing voice then you absolute mong

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:53:32 2021 No.12077648 >>12077309 Eh, still not as good as Diamond City Lights

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:53:33 2021 No.12077649

>>12075382
IRyS is technically good at singing but her voice sounds very generic and her songs are all just meh. She's much better at just being a regular vtuber than she is at being a vsinger. That's probably why her channel has become focused on regular vtuber shit and she barely releases music. Her gimmick failed but she's rolling with the punches and making the best of it,

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:53:50 2021 No.12077655 >>12077582 You can compare any song that AZKi, Suisei or Watame have sung in a singing stream and IRyS's version will be just as good.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:54:47 2021 No.12077678 We should really numberfag songs by dividing the view count with the number of subscribers and days. I wonder which song would be the top in Hololive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:54:56 2021 No.12077684 >>12077630 why do you care her accent when she sings? https://youtu.be/Sxi62RXgO4A

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:55:34 2021 No.12077697 >>12077684 Because she still has a thick accent when she sings in English and can't pronounce the words properly?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:55:50 2021 No.12077705 >>12077678 I haven't done the math but I'd bet pretty good money it'll be the obvious answer, the quintessential Hololive viral hit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y3xh8gs24c

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:55:56 2021 No.12077709 >>12077529 Well, Ina is not an ENVsinger

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:56:22 2021 No.12077718 >>12077630 What accent training? American, British or Aussie or maybe....Indian?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:56:27 2021 No.12077721 >>12077648 I agree, DCL is the best. Black Out is good too but there's something special about DCL

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:56:55 2021 No.12077738 >>12077655 People here don't actually watch her karaokes. They probably just watched the 100M vid

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:57:08 2021 No.12077742 Irys is popular not because of her singing talent but because she's the only HoloEN girl with the competency to do decent GFE

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:57:55 2021 No.12077759 >>12075382 El Goblina, and Gatekeeping toxic fanbase, yes men youtube comment section.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:58:04 2021 No.12077763 >>12077697 eh did you watch the vid? That's good enough for me

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:58:11 2021 No.12077764

No amount of technique and training matters if you have an ordinary voice, and that's up to genetics. There's only a couple holos with exceptional voices and not all of them profile themselves as singers in the first place. Truth is the backing track matters much more than the vocalist, whereas people with exceptional voices don't need a backing track at all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:59:20 2021 No.12077792 >>12075524 Faggot, IRyS is not an EnglishVcomposer but an EnglishVsinger.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:59:23 2021 No.12077793 >>12077697 Which pronounciation? American, British, Aussies or.......Indian wait wait wait maybe you like Japanese's english pronounciation?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 05:59:53 2021 No.12077804 >>12077793 Whatever the song requires, of course.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:00:46 2021 No.12077822 >>12077792 Then Cover is dumb enough not composing English songs for her. Niji EN is better in this case.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:01:08 2021 No.12077830 >>12077764 >No amount of technique and training matters if you have an ordinary voice, and that's up to genetics. True. I've been saying this too in Enna's thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:01:59 2021 No.12077850 >>12077792 Don't mistake people commenting on Cover's implementation of the EN Vsinger concept with criticism of IRyS as a person

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:02:22 2021 No.12077858 >>12077074 Her timbre is similar to Chihara Minori

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:03:03 2021 No.12077868 >>12075523 this, if she had a good model like suisei oh boy

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:03:43 2021 No.12077881

Almost every song that Hololive churns out is fucking terrible. I genuinely mean that. I love the girls and their voices but Hololive finds some of the most generic producers, songwriters and engineers to work with them and like Gura’s niggerigger, they stick with them. The numbers they get on their songs rarely have anything to do with the music. This includes Suisei too. She’s only special in a sea of shit, but would be nothing if competing against RL artists and without her cucked fanbase.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:04:26 2021 No.12077901 >>12075558 better than "irys is the best holoEN right holobros?" for the 35th time

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:04:57 2021 No.12077914 >>12077742 I would argue both Sana and Mori have better gfe.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:05:24 2021 No.12077925 >>12077858 Nice find, she does sound similar. >>12075558 The moona fan IRyS anti just woke up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:05:50 2021 No.12077934 >>12077914 >Mori I don't watch her, but lol really?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:06:01 2021 No.12077940 >>12075558 People bait IRyStocrats about singing tierlists and song performance because they're very sensitive about it and bite.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:06:42 2021 No.12077960 >>12075424 Nah, she's a good singer, but her songs are mediocre. They need to hire better songwriters.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:07:37 2021 No.12077980 >>12077881 I enjoyed the Bouquet album though

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:07:56 2021 No.12077984 >>12077940 >People bait IRyStocrats about singing tierlists and song performance because they're very sensitive about it and bite. /Closethread

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:08:12 2021 No.12077994 >>12077914 Sana is barely established and hasn't streamed for like 2 weeks Mori is an autistic weirdo (and not in the way normally appealing to weebs) and her lust for exclusively Asian cock is too well documented

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:08:36 2021 No.12077999 >>12077822 While I agree, NijiEN's song are clearly written by ESLs and I think there's still room for improvement on that front.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:09:00 2021 No.12078014 >>12077940 >>12077984 I have nothing better to do and like to post about IRyS anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:10:53 2021 No.12078070 >>12077423 This has to be a bait

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:12:24 2021 No.12078107 >>12077999 I wish Cover would copy this practice. Everytime they released new gen or Vsinger. Make a song in a languange their target audiences are speaking

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:15:50 2021 No.12078185 >>12077423 Lmao

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:16:37 2021 No.12078205

>>12077934
Yes, date streams which she now masked as "eikaiwa", telling her chat about her big tits, telling them she's wearing a sexy lingerie while doing ASMR, sing songs related to parasocial relationships, made a song "Bully" which is pretty much about her ghosting, and many more which I shall not list.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:17:48 2021 No.12078230 Amelia Watson is the best singer of hololive

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:19:19 2021 No.12078254 enna is a better singer than anyone else in niji OR hololive so who cares

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:19:37 2021 No.12078258

>>12077530
You indogs cant help yourself shilling your Oshi even in youtube Hololive karaoke clips.
You faggots are a loud minority.
>go watch Moona karaoke, you wish to not miss a single karaoke once you hear her sing.
Your oshi is verygood at singing "in Hololive". But her voice is pretty much Common "on singers around the world" and not unique enough to have her own signature that can be noticeable by the masses.
You can find lots of similar voice range in SEA highschoolers that can go toe to toe with your Oshi no pro training no problem.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:19:51 2021 No.12078262

>>12077793
Case in point: your spelling is a dead ESL giveaway that you're probably pronouncing pronunciation as "pronounciation" without realizing that there's anything wrong with it. There are many other similar subtle mistakes with SEA singers that just stick out like a sore thumb. Three/tree, 'kool'/cool, with/'weeth' ...there's no end to issues like this even without going into more blatant errors.
Vocal trainers and professional choirmasters in the region make an actual effort to zero in on these mistakes, correct them and get pieces closer to what they should sound like, but if you're a self-taught amateur singer it is likely a massive blind spot for your peers and you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:20:00 2021 No.12078267 >>12077564 >he thinks Irys sings better than Suisei, Moona, AZKi, Gura

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:20:23 2021 No.12078282

>>12077154
>What'd you use to test it?
Diorama, a piano and my ears. Admittedly, it's not a perfect test, but I also tested songs that I consider to be on pitch and she was hitting the notes just as much as they were.
>Fukai Mori
loved it.
>>12077269
>acquired taste
>>12077154
>acquired taste
I'm glad you agree, I feel less retarded about it.
>>12077479
>really nasally at times
This might be the reason it's uncomfortable.
>>12077446
>>12077479
>disney, broadway
I get that feel from her too. She has it. She's still young and has time to improve.
>concernfagging
Honestly I want her to become one of my all time favorite singers because of her streams and personality, I really love her as a person. I'm happy she has someone like Mori as a friend who is living close by, and an environment like hololive that can increase her work ethic and competitiveness, if she needed any help with that to begin with (it's very likely she didn't need any help there).... I can't wait to hear what she sounds like 2 years from now. I feel like she is one of those singers who didn't have the time to become "perfect" and now she has all this time, I just hope she's using it to the fullest.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:22:08 2021 No.12078316

>>12078258
>You can find lots of similar voice range in SEA highschoolers that can go toe to toe with your Oshi no pro training no problem.
that's literally not true
>>12078262
and yet her songs are more popular than Irys's songs. Really makes you think

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:22:29 2021 No.12078324 >>12077914 Mori has the best gfe in holoEN with the possible exception of Gura. Irys comes close, and Ame if you're into that. Fauna is up there too. After these, probably Bae and Mumei. But the pickings are slim for gfe at that point.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:22:42 2021 No.12078328 >>12078258 But we are talking about Hololive right now? I never claims that she is the best singer in the world at all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:23:13 2021 No.12078341 >>12078262 >pronouncing pronunciation as "pronounciation" This is something a lot of native english speakers get wrong, as well, like pronouncing says as "says" instead of "sez".

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:24:04 2021 No.12078354 >>12077858 t. irys pitch tester / paragraph anon. You're right, their voices are similar. Thanks for sharing. I'll use Minori as a crutch to get more accustomed to Irys's voice for now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:24:26 2021 No.12078362 >>12078341 They also sometimes mistaking your and you're, then and than and so on

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:26:07 2021 No.12078404 >>12077742 It is the only way for every single lonely faggots to experience having a girlfriend.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:27:09 2021 No.12078417

>>12078282
>disney
Her A Whole New World sounds pretty good. She should do a few more Disney songs in her singing stream next weekend too. When it comes to English songs she also does Taylor Swift songs justice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GMHGFyf8Ws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXcWpOEfSgY

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:27:35 2021 No.12078424 >>12078362 then and than is the weirdest one, I've only seen anglo flags on /int/ do that

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:28:00 2021 No.12078433 >>12078262 Ironically it sometimes better to not know the language at all. Gura can sing japanese fine and suisei can imitate english sounds okay.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:30:07 2021 No.12078478

>>12075382
I feel like focusing on jpop is a mistake. Everything about the western market shows the it isn't really the market to aim for with a dedicated vsinger doing jpop.

If anything she should be aiming for a citypop/lo-fi style to catch the absolute tail end of that trend.

Like gura didn't blow up as the jpop shark, and Mori isn't known for her jpop.
Kiara tries to push her jpop but if we're honest it's all ok and her fans push it because low numbers make her feel bad.
No vtuber in the West doing music is succeeding with jpop so why not try something actually different?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:30:08 2021 No.12078480 >>12077525 >>12078070 >>12078185 Mumei: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GfdbRNiH78 Gura: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0lQESej9zc

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:30:31 2021 No.12078485 >>12078433 >Gura can sing japanese fine sure >and suisei can imitate english sounds okay. but not nearly ok enough to sing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:30:36 2021 No.12078487 >>12078433 Japanese has a pretty limited amount of phonemes compared to English and there's no ambiguity about how to pronounce a certain character or word. Suisei tries but she doesn't really come close to sounding like a native speaker.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:30:38 2021 No.12078488 >>12078478 none of her songs are jpop

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:31:26 2021 No.12078502 >>12078480 Did you forget to include your thoughts on this comparison?

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:32:14 2021 No.12078513

>>12078316
I'm only addressing the idea that pronunication doesn't matter just because it's singing.
Personally I feel that it is a complete failure of marketing on multiple levels - just looking at the HCH MV comments you will see a whole bunch of people who think it's a completely new song and who were utterly surprised with the lack of hype for it (since from IryS or Cover's perspective it was 'just' a video for an already released song). The numbers don't represent her true level of singing talent any more than her roommate's 20 million views on a cover with subpar mixing.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:32:59 2021 No.12078527

>>12078282
She is talking voice lessons. I think much of her weaknesses such as becoming nasally or not reaching a certain note is more about her being self-taught. She just sings what she likes and a lot of what she likes are anime songs that are cutesy stuff that don't fit her. It's all good. Any person that is baiting and/is or expecting her to get millions of views per MV are deluding themselves. Freaking TAKU INOUE only has 1.5M views for his song Suisei. It's a god damn great song. https://youtu.be/LYFciXBcXIQ

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:33:45 2021 No.12078534 >>12078424 The weirdest one for me is mistaking would of and would have

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:34:26 2021 No.12078550

>>12078527
>Any person that is baiting and/is or expecting her to get millions of views per MV are deluding themselves.
I'd bet Cover was expecting that when they hired a singer with her past life's numbers. Of course, they probably lack the context to understand why her songs were hitting those numbers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:34:48 2021 No.12078557 >>12078480 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgD77GN6qWU here's a more direct comparison

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:34:57 2021 No.12078560 >>12075382 She sounds like generic anime women, nothing special really

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:35:00 2021 No.12078561 >>12078478 >she Irys has no control over what she can sing or not sing on her EP. Say this to Omega

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:35:14 2021 No.12078565

>>12078417
Wow, her voice is perfect for disney-style. Clear and bright. Yes, Broadway fits too. I'd like to see her get a role in Pixar or something. We probably wouldn't know if she did, would we? She does have some minor mistakes, I can't shake the thought that she maybe auditioned for a place like that and barely missed the cut because it would take her two or three takes to get it right. Sad hours.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:35:24 2021 No.12078569 File: 230 KB, 400x400, Camellia_producer.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12076414 >camellia that low

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:35:26 2021 No.12078570 >>12078534 That's because they hear "would've" spoken IRL and think it's "would of".

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:35:28 2021 No.12078574 >>12078513 most of her roommate's songs can't break 500k views

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:38:25 2021 No.12078625 >>12078487 Getting pitch accent correct is still really hard. I guess it's not that noticeable in songs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:38:29 2021 No.12078626 >>12078316 Moonafags you should stop posting in this bait thread and go back to /moon/ Why the fuck did you get so defensive over accents? If that person didn't like "accents" then let her be. It's not about actual singing

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:39:58 2021 No.12078644 >>12078557 Mumei sounds so weird

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:40:28 2021 No.12078654 >>12078626 literally dead hours, i am not picky about which bait to take right now

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:41:00 2021 No.12078664 Irys has never been liked because of her signing, she just provides the GFE better than anyone else in EN

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:41:08 2021 No.12078666 >>12078557 Discount Gura? Discount Gura Also where's the past life subs port? She had 1M subs too. By the retards logic, she should be experiencing Gura level of growth.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:41:11 2021 No.12078667 >>12078565 This is a better version, A duet https://youtu.be/KwHvTgnuffo

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:41:47 2021 No.12078675 >>12078667 Wrong duet, but I like that one anyway.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:42:51 2021 No.12078694
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>>12078644
She does some sort of vocal modulation/fry thing. It's definitely unusual, sounds interesting. I think Gura's voice has better overall qualities on her best karaoke songs. Like in this soundpost.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:43:40 2021 No.12078712 >>12078666 Nah. Mumei and Gura are only very slight sound similar. They attack songs differently. They will probably sound great together.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:45:00 2021 No.12078732

>>12078324
I dont know about Gura, but she seems to treat her chumbuds as friends, she doesnt seem to do some smoothbrain pickup lines like oya oya type or something.
>Imagine
if Gura puts on a little sister vibe,
Damn Oreimo and siblingcon anime writers producer etc. would be filling up thier own chumjars in weeks.
>Also what if
Watson continued taking her teammates on a date and dedicated to be Gfe, would she be the EN Rushia?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:45:19 2021 No.12078739 >>12078667 This is a great duet because ame added personality and S O V L to it. Nothing wrong with irys's version but it's just boring.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:46:01 2021 No.12078746 >>12078675 Here is another song. Only Hope https://youtu.be/zXdhB69hRbM There are certain genres she can do really well

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:46:31 2021 No.12078752 >>12078667 >>12078230

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:46:54 2021 No.12078754 >>12078666 Yup she had more subs compared to Gura's before joining Hololive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:47:33 2021 No.12078760 Do you people atually just go around looking for videos to take screencaps just to make number threads? What the fuck is wrong with the people with this board?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:50:19 2021 No.12078798 >>12078760 How new?

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:50:44 2021 No.12078808

>>12078754
Sub counts aren't the only relevant number, Gura's past life had 5 times the total views and continues to incline in view counts and subscribers even when inactive. Gura's old account is may still be making enough total revenue to live on alone.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:51:25 2021 No.12078819

>>12078667
>>12077479
>>12077154
>>12077269
I think her roommate's Renai view count is due to genuine confusion from people who don't know it's the original. Her cover is professional enough to fool some people. (I love KanaHana) If she can trick them then she deserves at least some of those views.
>>12078667
Amepression, lmao. This is probably the best I've heard Ame sing in my life. It's cute.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:51:52 2021 No.12078823

>>12078513
One of the most punishing songs for native Asian singers in particular is The Water is Wide, almost as though it was composed for that exact purpose even though it has deceptively simple lyrics. 'Water', 'flower', 'over' - nearly every single fucking word feels like it is made to trip up non-native speakers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:52:44 2021 No.12078840 >>12078746 I personally also like how she does J-Rock songs like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_AvFesDh_I Feels like she puts a lot of energy or soul in the performance.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:53:43 2021 No.12078856 >>12078754 Where are they? Wasn't Nijinigger blabbing that Gura's growth was only because past life channel? Doesn't happen to Moomii though? Didn't happen with Irys either.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:55:39 2021 No.12078898 I realized how mediocre irys's voice was after she played One Hand Clapping and sora mogged her the next day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieaReLukLJQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ScYjZ8a5k4

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:55:52 2021 No.12078904

>>12078808
>Gura's old account is may still be making enough total revenue to live on alone.
are her even videos monetized? if they are, I don't think they make as much money as you think since she was doing house cleaning jobs or something related before hololive

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:56:19 2021 No.12078909

>>12078819
For some reason Irys sounds so well together when singing with other people. She makes sound really good. The Mori karaoke collab made me only a little frustrated. This is still my favorite faux duet https://youtu.be/y5jbWUo4oD4
>>12078840
Yeah. I love her archived karaokes the most. She just gets better and better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:56:42 2021 No.12078916 >>12078904 That's totally possible, I have no idea. I remember the same story so you're probably right.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:57:26 2021 No.12078930 >>12078904 >are her even videos monetized? it's 4:00am and 28°C plz andastan

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:58:00 2021 No.12078941 >>12078856 Retard. Irys has double the amount of subs right now than on her old channel.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:59:02 2021 No.12078956

>>12078904
They shouldn't. Youtube gives payouts based on their profiling of the audience visiting a video and the advertisers aiming for that audience, and how much disposable income are underaged overseas weebs projected to have? Not much. It is likely in the region of 3-5k/million views, if even that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:59:33 2021 No.12078965 >>12078904 Divide views by 1000 to estimate dollar profit. Her channel gets around 50k extra views per day according to analytics, so $50 a day. If she lives at home she can at least not starve.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:59:44 2021 No.12078971 >>12078904 >house cleaning jobs Imagine living the life of an undocumented mexican.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 06:59:58 2021 No.12078977

>>12078819

>>12078667
>>12077479
>>12077154
>>12077269
I forgot to say, the biggest thing I want to see Irys and Mori improve in (my two fav holoEN singers) is expressiveness. Mori has some really expressive moments in her unarchived angst karaoke. I know these are single takes and they're not meant to be concert-level performances, and they need to rest their voices, but I always, ALWAYS get the impression that they have more emotionality inside them that they aren't showing. It's actually painful sometimes. It's like ya, ok, you hit every note, you have a great voice, awesome. But could you please, please knock my pants off again with this?
linkrel, listen to end of the song to get the full experience :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAW-z2gkoeA&t=4906

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:01:55 2021 No.12079002 >>12078971 it builds character

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:05:18 2021 No.12079052 >>12078909 >For some reason Irys sounds so well together when singing with other people I think this explains it well. She's a good backing vocalist but her voice is not interesting on its own to listen to.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:06:11 2021 No.12079068

>>12078977
Emotionality is really just a couple of techniques. It can be learned so I have high hopes. Mori has been improving a lot and I hope she keeps up with the singing and voice lessons because that's the only way she will ever improve. Irys is the same. I think the song that had the most emotions was when she was literally crying because of happiness. She still sounded great. The baka line was heart wrenching. Here is a fan sub. This dude loves Irys a lot. I guess she has a number of fans from TW.
https://youtu.be/h2o-8zQcmPY

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:07:02 2021 No.12079087

>>12078977
>more timestamps
This whole song is peak expressiveness, I know in my SOUL she loves MCR, like it might be her favorite western band of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAW-z2gkoeA&t=3695
Honorable mention for Real to Me, this part really made me feel something. I honestly don't even care what the lyrics are, just that she has strong emotion in her voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAW-z2gkoeA&t=3727
This quality is absent from a lot of singers and I feel it is what separates the pros from the wannabes. I think Mori's time as a rapper playing live gigs probably helped her here, along with the fact, possibly, that she has been feeling like a misfit in general.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:07:30 2021 No.12079094

>>12078977
I agree with that wholeheartedly but feel like she has been getting slightly better. My favorite performance of hers (IRyS) is when she sang Yuki no Hana because of that. Listen from the timestamp (4:01) until 4:35. I had never heard her sound like that before.
https://youtu.be/UhUJV-9Ag7U?t=241

There's also her recent Ai Kotoba III which is pretty emotional but it's kinda cheating since she was actually crying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AJRq1xkjos

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:07:41 2021 No.12079095 >>12078941 The point is, past life subs don't matter

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:08:02 2021 No.12079103 >>12079052 Nah man. Her voice just has the quality to stound out even when paired with a powerful or fuller voice. It's that clear.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:09:53 2021 No.12079135

>>12078732
Gura leans too much into the family friendly vibe. I guess it makes her more popular. You're so right about her potential though. I wish she could show more of that side. Watson = Rushia? Could be. She seems to be losing mental health too so maybe that's for the best in the long term? heh heh

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:10:12 2021 No.12079142 >>12078417 Wow, she sounds fantastic singing in english. Gotta go check her out now, thanks!

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:12:44 2021 No.12079188

>>12079095
Past life matters to a certain degree because we at the end of the day we are talking about online personalities here. If they can manage to cultivate a sizeable following in way or another then that means they must be doing something good. This is true for Gura, Mumei, and even Irys. Although Irys has done a lot more professionally than 2 combined since she was more involved in the utaite scene. Gura and Mumei just got more clicks because of their viral quality

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:14:24 2021 No.12079231 >>12077684 How is this better than irys srsly, theres too much cringe

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:15:04 2021 No.12079254 >>12079087 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAW-z2gkoeA&t=5320

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:16:34 2021 No.12079286 >>12079231 more power and soul than Irys's

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:17:45 2021 No.12079306

>>12078909
She really does. The Ame duet you posted made Irys sound like a disney character on broadway and Ame is just an average person in her room, lol. The duet with Mori was a little bit closer, they both really are putting in reps and it shows.
>Suisei duet
Oh god, the chorus gave me tingles. Just sing anime OSTs already. Their voices blend so well together.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:26:42 2021 No.12079470 >>12079068 I love anniversaries and debuts so much. Any time I can hear them feel something this strongly, my heart gets attached.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:26:49 2021 No.12079472 >>12078354 You're welcome anon. Just use warm sounding IEM/Headphone for IRyS's singing.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:28:20 2021 No.12079501

Since I'm already in shilling mode. Another singer IRyS covers well is Utada Hikaru. Her bilingualism also shines here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7F1sspJCfs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_QK-pdiEi4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIa1KtcJYrg

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:30:17 2021 No.12079538

>>12079094
>Yuki no Hana
It's tough to get this one wrong, it's such an emotional song to begin with. She did a great job with it!
>Ai Kotoba III
I can really hear it from 1:34 on. If she sang like this all the time she would sound much better. Maybe what they need is acting lessons?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:30:29 2021 No.12079542 >>12079286 Being in tune is fundamental to singing

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:32:53 2021 No.12079578 >>12079542 How is it even possible to be tone deaf? I'm not a professional singer but even I can stay in tune.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:32:59 2021 No.12079579

>>12078746
>only hope
She sings really softly here and it suits her. I like it a lot.
>fire ground
I can hear the lewd in her voice and it's great.
Honestly she deserves to be much more popular. She could front several types of bands. I hope she gets the chance to do it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:34:06 2021 No.12079599 >>12079538 Sometimes I feel like she doesn't know she's supposed to put emotions like that in her singing. I still love her though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:34:23 2021 No.12079602 >>12078898 Cool game, especially considering who is playing. I might have to watch both of these later.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:34:58 2021 No.12079622 >>12077684 Moona is better than Gura and very close to Suisei

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:35:49 2021 No.12079636 >>12079472 This thread is already enough to convert me. I didn't give her enough time before.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:36:48 2021 No.12079652

>>12076032
This is what I thought of too. Calli started out with one song that hit the top charts immediately. Afterwards, she came out with a couple others while building her fanbase (Cursed Night, Dead Beats). Her first full album was the 4/4 Your Mori one, after she reached 1 million subs, with Red as the main standout one.

Caesura of Despair was Irys’ intro song, in the same vein as RIP. But at the time of release, nobody is going to care about a full album from a newcomer. Holding off on the album release and making it a sort of event or milestone thing could have given better results.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:38:14 2021 No.12079675 >>12077684 Sorry, her accent and timbre still filters me a bit. I could probably enjoy it if I watched her play games first. Gura and Irys absolutely mog her in singing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:40:46 2021 No.12079725 >>12079542 more in tune than Irys when she sings a hard song

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:41:06 2021 No.12079730 >>12079501 Did she ever sing Hikari?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:41:52 2021 No.12079745 >>12079730 Not that I know of.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:43:53 2021 No.12079791

>>12079501
Beautiful World made me think she sounded like a good high school singer at a talent show, not in a good way. Simple and Clean is one of my favorites for personal reasons, she did well. As for expressiveness, I get frustrated when someone sings a cover and doesn't match chest voice / falsetto / head voice to the original. Often the original singer is actually choosing among those voices at very specific times to increase the emotional effect. When I hear someone continue to use chest or head and the original went to falsetto, I get the feeling that the emotional parts of the song weren't well understood. I hope her vocal coach can explain this. Same for Mori honestly.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:44:32 2021 No.12079809

>>12079652
I think the way that they should have approached it is releasing a full MV for all songs in her EP staring from HCH on her 30th day. They wasted money on that fully animated MV when could have had an A+ MV with great art with a good video editor. I think they could have made all 3 songs with the remix that way. Her 1 month had a lot of her best streams. People that were engaged and is already watching would have brought up hype if she announces the release of her MV and EP on the 30th day. The ban lift would have been perfect time too because people were excited to see her first interactions with her senpais.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:45:05 2021 No.12079820 >>12079599 I agree, maybe the training will help. If I was managing her I would push her (and all singers) to casually take some acting lessons too. Maybe a switch would flip on in her head and she would just get it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:48:30 2021 No.12079888 So, what's the verdict? We blame management again?

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:49:50 2021 No.12079907

>>12079809
Cool take. I like the idea of holding off to release something until a high time. I'm obsessed with Mori 2.0 right now so any music she releases now will be the right time for it. I think some of Irys's new fans will buy her old music if they like it, but for sure, fresh songs have a kind of peer pressure to buy them and help push the idol up the charts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:49:59 2021 No.12079910 >>12079888 This is definitely management. She has no control over her EP or the way it was released. Omega is the producer. It's his fault.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:51:37 2021 No.12079935 >>12079888 Unironically yes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:52:10 2021 No.12079945 >>12079910 Can't she make one herself? Using her own money and other resources?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:53:58 2021 No.12079978 >>12079910 >She has no control over her EP or the way it was released. that's a ratt If the other girls can do it she can do it as well

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:54:32 2021 No.12079990

>>12079907
Another thing is the Hololive covers. That was a bad idea. They should have made her release a cover for songs that were either well received from her karaokes or her choice. People naturally compared her to those holo chuubas because of it. They should have trickled those covers right around this time when they hype for her Originals has died down. They did it the opposite way and it's just so frustrating.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:56:46 2021 No.12080023

>>12079978
Mori already said it. Irys already said it. You fucking clipfag.
>>12079945
People have been asking for English subs for her original songs and her management didn't add one. She could have easily done the translation herself mind you. Even her karaokes has to go through management to check if she can use them

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:57:30 2021 No.12080033 >>12079990 I wonder if they got the idea from Gura's 2 mil karaoke being a big hit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:58:07 2021 No.12080042 >>12079990 how do you know that's not her choice to cover hololive songs? stop the "forced" meme please

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:58:49 2021 No.12080056 >>12080023 I think the karaoke thing applies to every holo desu. Just to be sure they're allowed to use the tracks. She's just the one that does the most archived karaokes in EN.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:59:46 2021 No.12080071 >>12080042 She had no control over those songs. She couldn't even premiere them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:59:48 2021 No.12080073 >>12080023 Mori wrote her songs, hired people to mix her music. There's nothing stopping Irys from doing the same

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 07:59:56 2021 No.12080076 >>12080056 Archived karaokes suck, Gura doesn't even do them anymore and it's because the anime and vocaloid songs they have to use for those are (generally) a debuff for the EN audience.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:00:03 2021 No.12080080 >>12080023 Kek, even ID put subtitle for their folk song medley cover because popular demands. Is Omega even trying?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:01:29 2021 No.12080099 >>12080073 Mori this Mori that. Ask her about Irys and she will tell you why Irys has no control over her EP

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:02:41 2021 No.12080129 File: 135 KB, 300x300, 1631718646708.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's going on here

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:02:57 2021 No.12080135 >>12080076 They're a debuff compared to unarchived but IRyS gets good numbers and money from them and obviously likes to do them. Only IRyS in EN knows enough JP songs to be able to do them regularly and not repeat the same songs over and over anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:03:43 2021 No.12080147 >>12080071 You mean management forced her to cover hololive songs? Come on, she could just say no or wait until Cover can get licenses of non hololive songs

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:04:57 2021 No.12080166 >>12075382 Tbh, I like her streams a lot because of her personality and her speaking voice but I can't stand her singing voice.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:05:27 2021 No.12080172 >>12080147 She can't say no... it's her job.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:05:38 2021 No.12080176 >>12079990 Timing could have been done better for sure. Nothings perfect. Maybe they learned from it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:05:39 2021 No.12080177 >>12080099 >If the other girls can do it she can do it as well

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:06:49 2021 No.12080199 >>12080172 say that to Ayame or Sana. Cover doesn't have that much control over the girls

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:06:58 2021 No.12080202

>>12080135
some of the songs she sings are songs she just learned the other day or so. Someone asked her to Only my railgun and she said it was hard to sing live. Found that funny.
>>12080147
Are you seriously expecting the Vsinger to reject singing projects? That is the reason why she was hired in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:08:46 2021 No.12080231 >>12080202 I don't think the other EN girls would be able to learn JP songs as fast as IRyS. A lot of the songs she learns she already knew the TV size too. >>12080199 VSinger contract is different.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:10:09 2021 No.12080245 >>12080199 Remember when /vt/ was sperging out over the Vsinger position unjustly getting money earned by the other girls to make the opening MV? Well, it obviously comes with strings attached.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:10:42 2021 No.12080250 >>12080202 >>12080231 Where did she say she can't reject singing projects? I don't think that kind of contract even legal

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:11:02 2021 No.12080258

>>12080176
It's Hololive EN management, how long do we have to wait?
>>12080147
It's part of the job. Her involvement is only singing.
If she does get approved to make an original song without the involvement of the company, she'll need connections like Mori has.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:12:15 2021 No.12080269 >>12080245 If the Holo in question is a talented streamer and singer with a good work ethic, I wonder if being the Vsinger is a downgrade from being a normal member? I'm leaning towards yes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:12:33 2021 No.12080276 >>12080023 IRyS already cleared the issue with the subtitles. The english version of the EP is coming that's why there are no subtitles.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:13:25 2021 No.12080287 >>12080276 Holy shit, seriously? Do you happen to know when she said that? That's ridiculous. "You can't understand the words to this song because we want you to buy it in English"? Did she really say that?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:13:28 2021 No.12080289 >>12080269 It doesn't really matter at this point. She sings a lot. She streams a lot. Any distinction between the two is null because she does both.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:14:25 2021 No.12080303 >>12080269 It's a huge debuff. First because people go in with too much expectations and second because the lack of genmates really hurts the whole box-pushing aspect. I think it'd be better not to put as much weight on the VSinger label.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:14:55 2021 No.12080311 >>12080276 I know that. It only really means that she has no control over her own MVs on her own channel.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:16:39 2021 No.12080334 >>12080287 Retard. Management said that they are not putting English subs because they are releasing English versions of her song. Management. Not her. She was only making a follow-up to what her fans wanted

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:17:40 2021 No.12080350 >>12080334 Don't be a dumbass, obviously I get that she was conveying management stuff. It's well-established she doesn't have control. I'm just shocked that that is their rationale.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:18:33 2021 No.12080368

>>12080287
>Holy shit, seriously? Do you happen to know when she said that? That's ridiculous.
I forgot what steam it is but she definitely said it.
>"You can't understand the words to this song because we want you to buy it in English"? Did she really say that?
Management told her that there will be english versions of the EP and she's definitely not happy telling it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:19:08 2021 No.12080380 >>12080303 I’ll push Irys’ box

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:19:32 2021 No.12080389 >>12080368 Whoever is making choices like these for the ENGLISH VSINGER sure comes off as a moron

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:20:44 2021 No.12080406 >>12080389 Omega?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:20:50 2021 No.12080409 >>12080368 >>12080389 Are we even sure that they are going to make people buy it? It's probably going to be released in Spotify and Apple music.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:21:23 2021 No.12080418 >>12080389 It's Hololive management. Being a moron goes without saying.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:22:34 2021 No.12080434 File: 217 KB, 1080x552, hlolo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Her singing streams get fewer views than her Minecraft streams. Hilarious

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:22:40 2021 No.12080438 >>12077684 Because it gonna filters a lot of people. She sounds great

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:23:48 2021 No.12080448 >>12080389 Small indie company please andastando

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:25:42 2021 No.12080464

>>12080269
Yes. I honestly feel like if she wasn't a VSinger, she would produce songs that would be in tune with her more. I genuinely think that Cover is in full control of the production of her songs and she's just there to... well sing those songs. And we all know that management produced songs ends up not being very good. It'll also give her more freedom to stream normal stuff because she's a damn good and entertaining streamer, it's just that because of the label, she's just expected to sing very good and nothing else which leads to comparison with the other singers of the company because at the end of the day, deciding on who's a good singer is all subjective

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:26:31 2021 No.12080476 >>12080269 HoloJp vs Azki. At this point I think they should just merge it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:28:57 2021 No.12080505 >>12080434 That singing stream was literally at the worst possible time for NA viewers. 6:45 AM EDT on a week day.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:31:59 2021 No.12080549 File: 146 KB, 208x621, 1613946211828.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12080434 Her singing streams are her best (in terms of numbers) streams anon

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:33:07 2021 No.12080570 >>12077309 >ads

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:35:26 2021 No.12080617 >>12080464 To be fair, she could easily release cover/original songs since she already has connections but Cover is retarded and restricted her from doing it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:35:50 2021 No.12080622 File: 477 KB, 1080x1149, ski.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12080549 here is another one it's rare for her singing streams to get over 15k+

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:35:53 2021 No.12080623 Generic jpop songs, generic jpop voice Nobody fucking likes jpop

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:37:58 2021 No.12080655 >>12075984 I still think that making her cover her co-workers' songs is a bad move

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:39:54 2021 No.12080691

>>12080655
Definitely a weird decision in my opinion. What are the outcomes? She doesn't sound as good, inviting negative comparison, or she sounds better, making it seem like she's trying to outshine her senpais.
And yes, I get that she isn't choosing this stuff, no need to reply saying it wasn't her choice...

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:39:58 2021 No.12080695 >>12080622 When she does them in her usual time slot she gets 10-12k which is fine for an archived karaoke. Especially since she does them every week so there's no novelty like there is for most other holos.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:40:03 2021 No.12080696

>>12077684
Anon, she literally addressed it by herself in this clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM_wxoyHYAM&t=138s
>weird accent
>head voice instead of deep voice for belting
>voice agility not so good

she aware of her weakness & working on it to be better...

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:40:50 2021 No.12080707

I honestly don't mind that her numbers for the MVs are low compared to whoever you want to compare her. She's the underdog. She's always positive and she tries her hardest. She clocked more stream hours than any Council. Omega is still supporting her in their retarded way. She mas more fans now so I hope her new singles will fair better although her EP was #1 for a couple of days and charted for a week or so and several countries. People have this impression that she was either handed a bad hand or has unfair advantages. This only makes me want to route for her more and her struggles. Feels a lot like an Idol journey.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:43:00 2021 No.12080737

>>12080622
>it's rare for her singing streams to get over 15k+
Alright, I agree, but comparing it to her recent Minecraft streams is just unfair considering those have not only have the obvious MC buff but also the buff of being a potential collab with EN and JP members now that the servers have merged, her early MC streams couldn't even reach 10K viewers

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:44:08 2021 No.12080749 >>12076299 Suisei literally put an add over her model during the outfit reveal, that's some top tier shilling

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:45:02 2021 No.12080759 >>12080696 >>12080696 Moonafags for fucks sake go back to /moon/, I like moona and her voice but you're all insufferable autist faggots who doesn't know when to stop.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:45:46 2021 No.12080770 File: 127 KB, 520x556, sing.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12080695 I mean you would expect more from a Vsinger.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:47:49 2021 No.12080802 >>12076788 It was a good move for all parties. Mori's streams with Irys are fun

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:48:12 2021 No.12080804 >>12080759 people bring up Moona because Irys songs are doing worst than songs of a fucking Indog who can barely speak English

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:48:47 2021 No.12080811 >>12080770 You know what you are doing there and it's just petty. I mean you can use Pekora's karoke numbers. Petty all the same.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:51:45 2021 No.12080850 Not everyone can strike gold like Mori, It takes time to grow her fanbase. She's only 3 months old for fuck sake.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:52:14 2021 No.12080862 >>12080759 >expecting people not to talk about Moona when it comes to singing anon, Moonafag or not, people will bring her up, just like people will bring up Gura or Suisei, because, they are the most talked about singers of hololive

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:52:15 2021 No.12080863 >>12080811 so you get defensive because you can't blame management now

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:54:23 2021 No.12080895 >>12075382 She farted on stream.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:55:24 2021 No.12080907 >>12080863 Lol. No. My point is you can't compare Suisei who is already 3 yrs active as Suisei to Irys who just barely past her 3 month period. You know it's fucking petty. It's just farming a response

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:55:47 2021 No.12080912 >>12080804 Then give Irys some more time to grow.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:57:35 2021 No.12080936 >>12080804 Tell her fans to fucking boost the numbers for covers like Firebird and Again. It's been over 11 months. One hasn't reached 300k

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:57:44 2021 No.12080939

>>12080749
Suisei has always been an insane self-shill, Kiara's is literally nothing compared to hers.
In addition to the shill in the middle of the outfit reveal:
>Plays her newest song as stream outro and intro music
>Bottom of her stream used to have an endlessly scrolling sub goal and promotion for newest song
>Used Youtube preview function the instant it became available to her to play her music video on all her stream reservation pages instead of actually previewing whatever the stream is about
>Played Ghost during Tales Of cinematics
>Played Ghost in between every single Apex round during a 3 hour Apex stream

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 08:58:37 2021 No.12080949

>>12080863
Suisei is 3 years old anon, her 31K viewers here >>12080770 took her time and dedication to build. She has a buttload of songs and covers that has established her as a singing holo. You should know that a label doesn't necessarily guarantee you viewers, or else AZKi should be getting thousands and thousands of viewers during her karaokes by now. IRyS has only been around for 3 months, with only 4 songs under her belt (plus her covers), she needs to do more if she wants to consistently get 30K viewers during karaokes

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:01:11 2021 No.12080984 >>12080949 Suisei's boost also has a lot to do with her 3D concerts. I think the best hike she had was after during her Ghost 3D Concert.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:01:30 2021 No.12080987 >>12080939 NTA but, wow. I'm surprised that amount of shilling isn't annoying.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:01:43 2021 No.12080993 >>12080939 I respect that mindset. Seriously. Suisei has a true will to succeed and made it happen no matter what it took and takes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:02:28 2021 No.12081001 >>12080949 >>12080907 so bad she's growing right now. Her singing stream numbers are getting worst recently

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:02:39 2021 No.12081005 >>12080987 She's cute so it's okay.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:06:19 2021 No.12081059 >>12080936 why did you choose the most unpopular ones? If she can't beat an ESL Indog how can she beat someone like Mori?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:06:22 2021 No.12081062 >>12080987 it's not because it's done subtly

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:07:25 2021 No.12081084 >>12080987 Maybe Irys' fans doesn't care for the songs because Irys herself is barely involved in it. It lacks soul. It is not Irys' own music... But Cover's music.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:08:44 2021 No.12081106 >>12081059 Alright stop using Moona for your shitposts against Irys

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:08:50 2021 No.12081109 >>12081059 Lol. You are just digging your grave. You said she's bad because her numbers are bad compared to Moona. I tell you Moona has bad numbers in the beginning and you go to Mori? Why do you even try?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:08:54 2021 No.12081113 >>12081084 It's big corp, what did you expect?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:09:23 2021 No.12081119 >>12075382 - Caesura of Despair need full MV - Diorama MV is just lyric video - Here Comes Hope MV also kinda lyric video views of songs more about the popularity of who sings it desu, the songs itself are good

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:10:27 2021 No.12081134 >>12081084 Nah. I love her EP. I listen to it on Spotify. I love the remix version of COD more than the original though.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:10:59 2021 No.12081144

>>12080987
>>12081062
you can make anything acceptable as long as you embrace it as your brand in a cute way (even being a psychopath).

I would say being a shill is also part of her brand now. It's actually more weird if she doesn't shill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdrMT8dfVik

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:12:49 2021 No.12081160 >>12081119 >>12081134 The only thing I am really bitter about right now is the fact that she hasn't any of her singles in one of her archived karaokes. Mori was enthusiastic but I really want a solo live from Irys

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:14:27 2021 No.12081180 >>12081109 Come on Moona is an ID streamer not a singer. People didn't even know that she can sing when she debuted

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:15:28 2021 No.12081195 >>12081005 >>12081062 Understandable. If Cover won't shill, gotta do it yourself. >>12081084 Quick look at the credits, she sings and that's it. Eveything else is done by someone else.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:18:00 2021 No.12081226

>>12081062
Just the opposite actually, her constant shilling is an endearing trait when supplemented by her personality. People don't think of her as a door to door salesman they think of her as their friend and are willing to overlook or even accept what she's selling because they like her

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:18:58 2021 No.12081243 File: 291 KB, 1072x1243, IMG_20211027_161756.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12081195 The same thing can also be applied to Suisei

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:19:08 2021 No.12081244 >>12081195 >Quick look at the credits, she sings and that's it. Eveything else is done by someone else. Exactly why I think her songs would be so much more better if she had full control

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:21:12 2021 No.12081275 >>12081243 No anon, Suisei still had a lot of control on how she wants her songs to sound, IRyS doesn’t

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:22:29 2021 No.12081290 >>12081275 Did IRyS said so herself that she had no input at all during production on stream be it member or public?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:22:58 2021 No.12081300 Reminder that it took Suisei 2 years before she made NCP and IRyS is only 108 days old.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:24:32 2021 No.12081323 >>12081300 Suisei was also a complete nobody for the vast majority of those 2 years.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:29:31 2021 No.12081393 >>12081300 UOOOOOOOOOHH

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:30:07 2021 No.12081403 >>12081323 So, last year's buff what got her where she is today?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:31:36 2021 No.12081416 Man, it's distasteful for a lot of reasons to see people try to use Suisei to shitpost about IRyS. The comparison makes no sense anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:34:42 2021 No.12081455 >>12081416 well you told them moona fans to fuck off for "fair" comparison

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:35:51 2021 No.12081469 >>12081455 I didn't say shit about Moona, I haven't replied in this chain.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:37:37 2021 No.12081495

>>12081290
>be hired as a VSinger
>meaning you're supposed to sing Cover's songs
Even if IRyS still had input on her songs, I seriously doubt Cover would let a new hire like her make decisions on her debut songs, maybe it'll change in the future but currently I have no reason to think that they'll let IRyS take lead on the songs

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:38:43 2021 No.12081507 >>12081403 She became midtier when her first 3D show happened. She garnered more audience when she did her 500k 3D concert special. She became top tier after her Ghost 3D concert.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:39:14 2021 No.12081515 >>12081403 Project Winter + Tetris into NCP and then Saga Jihen exploded her upwards.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:39:42 2021 No.12081525 >>12081403 If you want to point to an exact moment when Suisei started her incline, it's the Project Winter collab.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:45:09 2021 No.12081606

It feels like IryS was basically a useful tool for Cover to 'legitimize' holo songs. You know your song has made it when everyone starts covering it, but vtubers outside the company associated holo songs with their holos too much. IryS was them trying to send a signal that it's possible and should be done.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:46:49 2021 No.12081640 >>12081495 >Even if IRyS still had input on her songs, I seriously doubt So it's just your narrative eh, I thought you making that post based on what IRyS said on one of her stream

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:48:16 2021 No.12081666 >>12081507 >>12081515 >>12081525 Uhh... Why is it privated? Also, when was this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:49:17 2021 No.12081684 >>12081606 >IryS was them trying to send a signal that it's possible and should be done. What signal exactly? That they should be covering holo songs?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:49:50 2021 No.12081691 >>12081666 This was before the holocaust. Here is one the clips that went viral https://youtu.be/sJJEiG0QOBI

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:50:06 2021 No.12081697 >>12081640 anon, these yes men will find a way to blame management no matter what

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:50:41 2021 No.12081708 >>12081691 I love this clip, Suisei was so good in that stream. It's basically an improv horror movie.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:51:01 2021 No.12081714 >>12081697 You don't fucking know what yes men mean do you

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:52:54 2021 No.12081758 >>12081697 >these yes men At least search up the meaning first.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:54:10 2021 No.12081783 >>12081714 whatever, keep pushing your "Irys has no control" narrative

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:56:26 2021 No.12081824 >>12081783 Mori literally said on stream if she was a VSinger like IRyS she would have no creative control dumbass.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:57:19 2021 No.12081842 >>12081783 Whoever is footing the bill has creative control, that's just self-evident.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 09:59:34 2021 No.12081877 >>12081824 because Cover funded her songs. She could pay for her own songs like everyone else >>12081842 just do it like the other holos

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:00:03 2021 No.12081889

>>12081783
Don't you find it strange how every other Holo who put out a song has had discussion about how they discussed and conceptualized the song, whether it's IDs, EN, or JP, even devoting entire streams to it as a topic, and yet IryS who zatsudans for hours about the fucking Pokemon anime hasn't even said anything about her (multiple) songs?

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:01:32 2021 No.12081919

>>12081783
Mori already confirmed this. IRyS also said when the Hololive cover songs were being released that she wasn't allowed to do premieres for them. It took them over a month to get a full song from the EP on her channel, and the MV they used is just a still image, and it's arguably the song with the least mainstream appeal. How can management not be blamed?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:01:48 2021 No.12081929 >>12081889 >>12081877

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:01:54 2021 No.12081930 >>12081824 Provide the link to shut them up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:02:08 2021 No.12081939 >>12081877 Are you actually dumb?

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:04:11 2021 No.12081981

>>12081889
Because those songs were likley written before IRyS was even hired? Did you listen to them? Caesure and HCH are lore based songs on the character. Cover clearly had them made for their lore narrative regardless of who was going to be VSinger.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:04:13 2021 No.12081982 >>12081939 >no argument

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:05:05 2021 No.12082000 >>12081981 ...I mean, that's the entire point. IryS had no input into her songs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:06:07 2021 No.12082020 >>12081982 You literally just admitted that Cover had complete control over her songs, are you really that stupid?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:06:18 2021 No.12082024 >>12082000 The response is to why IRyS has discussed conceptualizing the songs on stream, and I proved the reason why idiot. Because the songs were pre-made for the character, not her as a person.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:06:32 2021 No.12082029 You guys are getting timelooped by one guy who is either a total idiot or pretending to be

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:06:42 2021 No.12082033 Her songs are very forgetable unfortunately. She needs better producers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:07:19 2021 No.12082055 >>12082024 hasn't*

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:10:01 2021 No.12082115 >>12082029 IRyStrocrats would ignore this thread and let it die if IRyS was streaming right now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:10:10 2021 No.12082121 >>12082033 and her cover is just as bad, especially pallette

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:10:11 2021 No.12082122 >>12076996 Noel's song being that good gave me hope that someone will be able to produce a good song for Ame.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:10:26 2021 No.12082130 >>12082020 they're not her songs when she didn't pay for it also post the Mori clip please

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:12:03 2021 No.12082170 >>12082024 ...Yes. The songs were pre-made for the character. Thus, IryS had no input into it. Do you think you're disagreeing with the post or something?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:12:03 2021 No.12082171 File: 1.41 MB, 1920x1080, 1635329340138.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] VSINGER MOGGED

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:18:15 2021 No.12082293 >>12082170 I was responding to this post and giving an explanation as to why she hasn't discussed the conceptualization of the songs. Are you ESL? >>12081889

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:24:09 2021 No.12082414 >>12082171 So, on an industry level, Suisei and Mori are pretty much the only relevant musical artists in Hololive, right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:29:11 2021 No.12082514 >>12082414 yeah, that's why the vsinger title doesn't mean shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:30:37 2021 No.12082542 >>12082414 Yes pretty much, they’re the only ones who can consistently put out music and get good numbers on them.

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:42:52 2021 No.12082734

>>12075382
the problem with Irys is that her songs don't encourage a re-appraisal (model debuff or not) because they're relatively aloof of the zeitgeist. J-Pop has never been a big seller in the west and her EP sounds like it could have been written and released in 2004.

While Calli isn't much better because her style of hip-hop is also a little out of synch, it does have stronger tethers since the same stylistic influences she draws upon are still felt in contemporary pop. The same just isn't true for Irys though.

Combine that with the fact that Irys's voice is very average and her music is just slightly forgettable.

Marketing her as the EN vsinger only to push JP songs was also a mistake. NijiEN's approach of at least making the lyrics English (even if DCL is literally just idol pop) at least makes it slightly more accessible.

But without a relevant sound, particularly stand out performances or linguistic comprehensibility, you just filter so many potential listeners.

Oh well that and the concept is super fucking chunni to a degree that undershoots Hololive's average viewer

Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:50:52 2021 No.12082894

>>12079791
Kinda offtopic, but how do you even switch voices being on the same note? I've been doing my singing reps a lot lately (by myself, without coach), and I think I got a grasp of what chest voice and head voice are, but I can't understand how to sing the same note in chest voice and in head voice. I just sing all notes up to my limit in chest voice and sing all higher ones in head voice.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:52:13 2021 No.12082922 >>12082542 And Gura

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:54:14 2021 No.12082948 >>12082922 Gura isn't consistent with music production in any sense of the word. Can't deny the numbers, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 10:58:41 2021 No.12083038 >>12082922 Numbers yes, but consistency not at all

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 27 11:42:20 2021 No.12083964 >>12080135 Kiara used to do archived karaoke quite regularly but she herself said that she mostly ran out of new stuff to sing.

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